ChannelDelibird
Equinox
GuyInFreezer
LlamaFluff
Untrod Tripod
Fortunately, there is already a wagon on LlamaFluff! Furthermore, given our history, he's probably rolled scum!
In post 21, Onion Bubs wrote:Can I just check something with you Equinox? That comment you made about LlamaFluff probably rolling scum given your history; was that just an RVS reason for your vote or were you actually making that as a serious argument for him being scum?
In post 23, Derangement wrote:You're saying your vote is a serious one, because you think one of the scum has played with CES before, and out of those people, Llama is the one who was scum the most often, when he played with you?
In post 26, Derangement wrote:I was both making sure you weren't being ironic when you said you were serious, and hoping to get a better idea of what the history you mentioned between the two of you was.
In post 53, prawneater wrote:I wasn't crazy about it. What exactly did you like?
In post 123, prawneater wrote:This attack on GIF feels like a reach. GIF's response to Equinox was a genuine "I forgot". Reading anything else here and voting on it is bad.
In post 124, Onion Bubs wrote:Your vote was still random. It was just randomly determined from a subset of all living players rather than determined from all living players.
In post 127, Untrod Tripod wrote:are you really going to just ignore the fact that he didn't start pushing or expanding on it until other people expressed interest first, and his arguments echoed what those people were already saying?
In post 137, Untrod Tripod wrote:do you think there's something inherently scummy about what he posted, or is this just a straight IIoA=scum vote?
In post 139, prawneater wrote:I think GIF is more town than not. I don't know GIF, but I think if I were scum in that spot, I'd look up my games rather than ask if I was in that game. If I was town in that spot I think I'd just ask and not bother looking it up.
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I don't like LF's attack on GIF. I read it as scum under pressure trying to contrive a scummy angle on someone else.
In post 152, onion wrote:I suppose the opinion is 'either llama or tripod are scum but not both.' Llama was on the cogito list, so there's that too. I also stated that i got a townread on Bubs. but that doesn't mean i'll always have that read on him. So i left myself a remeinder about something fishy about him. He's been voting for people who vote for Llama. If llama turns out to be scum, its something worth looking at again in a few days.
In post 174, prawneater wrote:Scum-me would be freaked out that I was on a suspect list and I'd want to see what my dynamic was with CES. Town-me wouldn't care as much.
In post 175, onion wrote:So yeah, you're gonna have to help me answer your question by pointing out who disagreed with the case. sorry.
In post 186, Derangement wrote:The same can be said about instantly dropping suspicion of Equinox for writing the Cogito list, especially if you're going to hold onto the list like a guide on where to find scum.
In post 194, GuyInFreezer wrote:This is too black-and-white imo.
In post 212, Onion Bubs wrote:Where did you get this idea from? Why do you not feel the need to justify your votes when you make them? Votes are things that cause people to become out of the game, we need to make sure it's the right people who are becoming out of the game, we achieve this by observing, thinking and sharing our observations and thoughts, and you think it's perfectly fine townie behaviour to cast votes without stating your rationale for them? Since when does the town benefit from you hiding the reasoning behind your actions?
In post 296, prawneater wrote:In other news: I'm fine with killing one of the onions for sanity's sake.
We should just have a poll on which onion we think is scummier and lynch that one.
Onion Bubs is the scummier of the two imo.
In post 304, Derangement wrote:As it is, I'm struggling with myself, trying to decide how likely scum!Onion would be to purposefully townslip like that.
In post 325, Onion Bubs wrote:A few people have argued for townies withholding stuff already but I remain unconvinced that withholding stuff is a good thing to do. Untrod Tripod's vague bullshit about the "long game" is missing the part where he explains how skilled scum would string me along and I checked the other posts in that block, Equinox's little piece underneath his quote of my post doesn't explain how withholding explanations when placing votes helps get a read off of someone, and I already addressed Derangement's post and since nothing was said in response to my response to his point a, I'm guessing he wants to wait until postgame to talk about that.
In post 314, prawneater wrote:Cuz Onion is prob town.
I don't have strong scumreads other than LF. Most folk are townreads so I'm willing to POE lynch Onion Bubs or Marquis.
In post 335, Marquis wrote:this is a reminder to myself to be here tomorrow morning and also tot ry and get emotionally attache dto this game
In post 375, Untrod Tripod wrote:you really need to get over yourself and realize there's more ways to play this game than just your narrow interpretation of what is "pro town"
In post 401, Derangement wrote:Do quickhammers without declaration of intent, this far from the deadline, really happen outside of newbie games with any frequency? :neutral:
If any of you feels they might do such a thing, what is your reasoning for not declaring intent first?
In post 408, onion wrote:@Equinox, caught up yet? Tell me about your vote on Prawn. what is the most convincing case to you?
In post 420, onion wrote:oh look a reads list! complete lists are srsly no bueno because they provide fuel for scum to needle the little things like 'why am i 6th instead of 7th on the list' which bogs down the scumhunting, which is what they want, which is why we shouldn't do it. but top 2 lists are fine maybe i guess. is it even a list if its so short?
In post 440, prawneater wrote:*@Equinox Why are you voting me?
In post 430, onion wrote:hi NJAC, we recieved a roleclaim from your former slot owner already, so it would be a good idea to get one from you as well. his roleclaim can be found in post 347. will you roleclaim?
In post 445, onion wrote:so either he says 'no i won't claim again' which might totally mean something, it might mean that the claim was wrong and marquis was a ridiculous idiot, which is what i suspect. or he might claim VT, which won't do anything, which is what i'm expecting. or he might claim something else entirely, which would be a giant huge scumtell, which is what i hope. but me talking about it has ruined the whole thing probably.
In post 469, LlamaFluff wrote:Why would town care about trying to figure out what their meta was in a past game? The only alignment that should be at all concerned with their meta is scum who want to be playing differently (if they were scum) or that they should try and match past play (if they were town).
Town should just assume their meta would be the same in both games.
Also can we please not vote onion. Remember the whole town tell from him where to be scum he would have had to make up that a friend came in and picked three players (ignoring that this is probably just two scum) and then posted it and not made a "nah I am" comment? That level of faking town slips just seems genuine instead of manufactured.
In post 472, onion wrote:@you can't have your cake and eat it too
i'm more suggesting that he re-affirm or don't re-affirm his claim. Marquis was terrible and lied, and there's no reason to believe the roleclaim meant what we think it meant. see the tripod response above.
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i still don't see the super-scum-tell in my interaction with NJAC, but derangement sees it, and he seems right about everything, so i'll deep think about that too, look at it from an outside perspective, and see if it really is as anti-town as people think. i sure hope it isn't. i don't like acting anti-town.
In post 475, onion wrote:lurking and lying aren't town-tells. it might prove he's a bad player, and i believe it. i'm willing to give him null-tell for being reliably bad, but that still results in a player we know nothing about because he's never posted, which is what the policy lynch is about.
In post 473, snscompt1 wrote:Equinox-Engaged in a lot of the heavy discussion(in the beginning)
Llamafluff-Same thing but all throughout
In post 496, TellTaleHeart wrote:There's no reason for an onion wagon. The reasons for his read on LlamaFluff he gave after his initial wagon were very likely genuine.*You don't want to read onion's posts, UT? Don't! :] No one is making you.Personally, I haven't read an onion post since page 7 and I'm getting along just fine!
In post 539, LlamaFluff wrote:We are not lynching me for the same reason we are keeping NJAC alive
In post 553, LlamaFluff wrote:Also PJ using a SK? Im pretty sure I remember him not liking third party roles. Nah this is all weak PRs and probably two scum. Im almost surprised town has as much as we do.
In post 577, TellTaleHeart wrote:I'm screaming like a maniac about the prawn wagon and CDB's off-the-cuff, vague comment is really what's doing it for you?!
>:(
In post 615, prawneater wrote:Gunsmith and tracker seems redundant.
In post 622, TellTaleHeart wrote:There's only one flip. Even assuming he has scum-knowledge, I don't know how you can support this claim that Llama would somehow know what fits when so little of the set up is known.
In post 705, onion wrote:Derangement is on the list, and i really like the guy, he's fantastically pro-town. If i was scum i would have NK'd him. instead, they NK'd GIF, who was pretty useless. i'm forced to consider that maybe Derangement is scum. it would make me sad though.
In post 656, Derangement wrote:That was an unexpected NK. :o
Can't say I was town-reading GIF, even before his V/LA, so I'm thinking scum took him out because of either his stance on Llama probably not being scum, or due to his Post 632.
In post 748, prawneater wrote:@ChannelDelibird, Equinox, snscompt1, Untrod Tripod
I'd really like to know your thoughts on LF's claim.
In post 796, Green Crayons wrote:2. Llama is a middle second.
In post 818, onion wrote:sure. i know that outing the power roles is bad, but understanding what sort of roles to expect is useful for judging roleclaims, which are going to happen most scum lynches and some town lynches. 'never lynch claimers' is a bad plan. 'always lynch claimers' would be less bad, but there's probably a middle ground between the two thats even better. something like 'always lynch claimers if their claim is stupid'. determining if the claim is stupid requires knowledge of what roles to expect, so why is talking about that considered suspicious?
In post 710, Equinox wrote:Also, I wouldn't write GuyInFreezer off as useless. It's more likely that it's Derangement's hypothesis quoted above, but there's something I want to look at from Day 1 aside from prawneater vs. the world after lolwork.
In post 587, LlamaFluff wrote:Prawn is scum. NJAC and onion are town. Other scum I would probably say one of: GIF/Derange (who has been bugging me on a gut level). Apart from UT/TTH I have varying level of town reads on rest of game.
In post 729, LlamaFluff wrote:Still need to full reread. Still sitting on UT and onion are town, CDB mild town. Rest are null at best.
In post 838, onion wrote:@equiniox, no this is my 2nd game of mafia for this iteration. there were 4ish back in 2009 but i was dumb back then. i also played in Spies 7, which was ultra mafia and probably the coolest thing ever. 50ish people, subforums, multiple alignments, games and activities, twas very cool.
In post 871, onion wrote:try not to lynch equinox while i'm gone.
In post 874, LlamaFluff wrote:For what its worth I have no idea what game you are talking about. Last one I remember with you is Science and that I think was about a year ago.
In post 876, LlamaFluff wrote:Not sure why you are discounting the few year old meta from onion when that one is close to three and me playing as an alt but okay. Really I don't remember that one much. Alt personas tend to split a bit in certain areas regardless of anything else at least for me.
In post 878, LlamaFluff wrote:Simply put - negative track result. I treat that as a pretty decent town tell, especially if there are only two scum like I think.
In post 1045, onion wrote:also for a long time everyone was going on about some early town-tell from me, but for the life of me i don't know what it is. care to enlighten me?