Open 595: Elemental Mafia (Town Wins!)

[Plotinus]

Agree that he's coasting. Posting to say that you don't have anything to say is a turn off for me and about a third of his posts have been that. I saw one game while metadiving someone in my completed newbie game in which scum said on day 1 that they were trying a new thing and being a lurksack was protown (except they worded it better) and they actually got away with it, survived to the end as mafia. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p6511847 (post 246) So I think of that when I see people saying they're not reading, or that they're skipping stuff or wishing people'd talk less or just any form of "hey guys I'm lurking does anyone want to think for me so i don't have to".

Sometimes I have trouble figuring out what my own opinion is but asking other people what my opinion should be (like Papi did a few times) does the opposite of help with that.

So, I'm happy with this wagon too.

VOTE: Papi Bear

That's L-5 if I counted right. not sure why he's acting as if he's at L-1.

[Ricastle]

Can I please give my thoughts first? >.>

Give them then. You've had enough time to do so already.

[TheReverend]

Right I'm back to continue my read through...

p7

ricastle still looks scum to me. Here he is trying to look like he wants to do stuff...

Jesus, this thread is dead. Something needs to happen. Anyone got ideas?

This is worthy of note...

Speaking of inactives, Spartan is V/LA until tomorrow I think, and hasn't been able to check in. He's got coursework deadlines.

I realise conman has explained this comment, and the explanation seems good, however it might not be honest. This is certainly worth looking into again if either of them flip scum.

Yeah I'm just going to swap brains with farside and magically understand what the fuck she's saying for you

This feels super town, I just don't see scum this confrontational. This isn't the first time I've got a "don't give a fuck" feeling from flubber's posts, and I consider that to be a town tell for most people because scum are more likely to try to avoid direct confrontation.

Is flubber a majiffy alt? It's not vifam because vifam doesn't like capital letters.

Do you guys want me to message Spartan again? He was on our Minecraft server for a little bit earlier

Yeah conman should really stop talking about this.

Are you just trying to cover up your slip and prove how much you talk to him in real life?

That was what I was thinking.

ok that's up to p9, time for a break.

ricastle scum, everyone else still to be sorted.

[TheReverend]

Haha first one to spot my super derp gets a town point.

[Papi Bear]

Bella's ISO

36 & 42HeyWhy the heck are you asking for alignments? Silly questions IMO.
98- I don't see why Plot is scummy at that point. He did explain why he switched votes.
162- Scum post. "I'm a newb, don't lynch me please." Yeah... Right...
187- Scum post #2. Sounds like "That's scumbuddy. He doesn't scum" Why not explain why he's town instead?
239- Scum post #3. "Hey, I'm scum! please don't make me look bad so no one ever lycnh me"... And what's up with that vote?

Bella is still a weak scumread to a newb town for me... My reasoning on why Bella is scum is weak. As a newb, I like how she scumhunt. One thing that ticks me off is her weak line of questioning... I don't think Bella is scum...

ONTO Lane's ISO!

[Bellaphant]

Serious question, papi - why aren't you reading through the pages? Iso ING everyone out of context feels really off, and it isn't progressing much...for example, you commented on a bunch of thinhs bbt has already questioned me about...

[Flubbernugget]

This game is in serious need of a vig

[Papi Bear]

Lane's ISO

119- *agrees* oh wait... He started a pointless arguement. Scum point.
...

I'll be going back with Lane if I patch my thoughts up...


Ric's ISO
40- "I am." Town respo- "Are you SK?" Nevermind...
55- Eh?... What's wrong with Plot's vote switch?
126- Offensive much?
146- Thank God! You're both done!
199- WELP...
388- She's not at L-1... Why vote for a weak scumread?

I feel that Lane did NOTHING other than arguring with Ric and BW Bella. Lane is scum IMO.
Ric isn't as bad. I still don't see him as town though.

More thoughts after my sleep. Next is Far's ISO. Good night.

PEdit: @Bella. I'll not read eveyone's ISO. Just the ones that catch my interest. Then patch things up on reading the whole thread and give my final thought and vote.

[Papi Bear]

*catches

derp

[Alchemist21]

VC 1.8

(4)Papi Bear:

BlueBloodedToffee, farside, Ricastle, Plotinus

(2)ConManMick:

Flubbernugget, Bellaphant

(2)Bellaphant:

lane, Senator

(2)Flubbernugget:

ConManMick, FA_Q2

(1)Vettrock:

Papi Bear

(1)lane0168:

Wrong Song

(1)RationalMadman:

Vettrock

Not Voting: Choof, RationalMadman, The Reverend

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2015-05-03 12:00:00)

Vettrock has requested replacement.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

20 pages of information. That's enough.

Time for a lynch to progress the game.

Votes on Papi please.

[Flubbernugget]

VOTE: papi

[Flubbernugget]

Lynch con tomorrow? <3

[RationalMadman]

yay for bandwagons VOTE: Papi

[RationalMadman]

@BBT

143 - Senator, I don't get the 'Ricastle is correcting people' comment. Is that somehow alignment indicative? Also, I disagree that Ricastle hasn't taken opportunities to look town.

They aren't simply sheeping people, aren't trying to paint everyone scummy and appear to be following their own set of town and scum tells. I like their activity, save that 'I would vote Flubber but look at this' line in 126 and post 30. Both of those seem too eager to keep scumreads on the backburner.

Can you show where they took easy towncredit?

Senator in particular feels like scum sliding by unnoticed. Saying the right things without actually doing anything.

Are you now scumreading me? Could you elaborate on why? I don't think I understand.

@Madman

Plotinus' attitude, however, is what I call 'over the top' style of scum-play. The typical tryhard scum attitude. Overdoes any explanation etc.

Is this like people find Conman? He has a wordy style of play.

What do you think of BBT and Bella thus far?

BBT - town

Bella nullread

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nice. Quick wagons usually make me cautious but we really need a lynch in this game.

3 more votes please.

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: papi his response to pressure has been bizarre, and his catch up method is pointless. Not contributing anything new. I can't track his thought process.

But, con tomorrow.

[Alchemist21]

VC 1.9

(7)Papi Bear:

BlueBloodedToffee, farside, Ricastle, Plotinus, Flubbernugget, RationalMadman, Bellaphant

(2)Bellaphant:

lane, Senator

(2)Flubbernugget:

ConManMick, FA_Q2

(1)Vettrock:

Papi Bear

(1)lane0168:

Wrong Song

(1)RationalMadman:

Vettrock

Not Voting: Choof, The Reverend

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2015-05-03 12:00:00)

Davesaz replaces Vettrock

[davesaz]

Hi folks, catchup in progress.

[TheReverend]

hmmm... I think I can see why the vote is on Reverend now... I'm not sure though..

Moving onto Bella's ISO..

Ok so I took a look at papi to see what the fuss is all about and this caught my attention. I hadn't realised I picked up votes, I'll adress that in a minute. What I don't like here is papi is more than happy to sit on the fence regarding me, this strikes me as someone who is waiting to see if my wagon catches before committing to a read. I'm confortable with the papi wagon based on what I've read.

That said, I haven't read up fully yet, I'm still missing from page 10 onwards, and I won't have any more time today, I've had a busy day and to be quite honest I can't be bothered to do any work, so I'm in no hurry to add my weight regarding papi. I'd rather hold back to see if I can find the time to catch up before deadline, I should be able to. Still, papi should expect my vote to be on him and therefore he's effectively L-1 and should think about claiming, considering we're near deadline.

Now, as for the votes for me...

340 - Reverend is very likely to be SK, and if not, he is scum. Most of the time, when people are hunting a SK it's because they are one or they're scum concerned with who can kill them.

I can assure you that me speculating on SK is very much null. I speculate a lot as town. I do so as scum too, but only because I know I do it as town. I'm either town being town, or scum trying to be town.

I understand that scum will be concerned about the SK, but if I'm going to hunt the SK for that reason, I'm probably more likely to do that in the scum QT. You're barking up the wrong tree here.

Still, I like toffee's tone, I don't feel like he's trying to get me mislynched. I'm towning toffee.

-4
TheReverend - I liked his entrance until BBT said that him focusing on the SK is a scumtell and now that he's said it I can see the point and I think I might have read that somewhere before I'd just forgotten it.

This I don't like. Plot gave me good vibes earlier, but this undoes that for sure. It's the fact that he goes from liking me to hating me based on what toffee thinks about SK speculation. This is highly opportunistic.

[davesaz]

Plotinus, are you active on another site, perhaps not so much in mafia games?

[Plotinus]

@TheReverend I'm townreading BBT and I am of the opinion that BBT knows more about theory than I do, and I expect that if BBT were to lie about theory somebody else would tell him why he was wrong or there would be an argument about it and then I'd learn something. I have been liking the rest of your catchup posts and you've moved up a few places since then. BBT's theory will affect my read of you, but I won't base my entire read on any one thing once I have more to go on. At the time I wrote that, you'd only had a few posts so not a lot to go on + an experienced player saying they caught scumtells that I missed made me suspicious, but I took about half a day of thinking about that between reading BBT's opinion and posting my reads list and then another 10 hours before I voted you -- I slept on it instead of just following along.

This is a game of persuasion. Sometimes I will be the one to persuade, sometimes I will be the persuaded.

I'm a lot more sure of my vote on Papi at this point than I was of you, and everyone else who had voted you has unvoted by now. Anyway, keep scumhunting and you'll rise into the yellow group.

@Dave yes, there is a forum site for a niche indie game that I'm fairly well known on with this username, and I think I used this name a few other places too. Why?

[davesaz]

Mainly just curiosity, not related to the game in any way. I was thinking CivFanatics.

[Plotinus]

no, I'm not on that site, so whoever you know over there isn't me.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hey Dave,

How is that catch up going?