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we don't get to vote for a boon unless we choose someone for the bane
reading is tech I guess
Bane: Zar
I think you're trying too hard.
bane gamagoeey
choose one
I think the first choice is much better than the second choice. The second choice is in case scum use both their kills on the same target or something like that while the first one can give us information if a kill is protected. Imagine how unlikely are scum to use a kill on the same person with the same sign match.
mod: Does the choice remain in effect until the end of the game or until the start of the next minor day?
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Post #132 (isolation #1) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:15 pm
Postby vezokpiraka »
@ffery: if you would have two kills, would you shoot the same person twice with the exact signs, or mutiple people or different signs on the same person?
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Post #427 (isolation #6) » Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:19 am
Postby vezokpiraka »
@ffery: You think I conspired with bulba and decided he will bus me like hell? Or are you saying those people are scummy individually?
Also I kinda want to see a readlist in which you strongly believe because you are a great town player and will be gone tomorrow.
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In post 427, vezokpiraka wrote:@ffery: You think I conspired with bulba and decided he will bus me like hell? Or are you saying those people are scummy individually?
Also I kinda want to see a readlist in which you strongly believe because you are a great town player and will be gone tomorrow.
I don't generally teamhunt on day 1. I mostly townhunt/PoE, which I kinda think you know about me by now.
I threw my current thoughts out there to generate discussion and data for further analysis.
You aren't alone this game. Also you are confirmed town and you'll die tomorrow. I kinda want to hear what you have to say because you're a good player and you also have a team to help you.
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marquis baneing me I think is a little mediocre but considering that I baned him for literally no reason (not even gut this time, I just wanted to bane someone for something that would look like not-RVS to get people out of that mindset even though it basically still was) I can't reaaally hate on him for it
Thinking UT is scum for being generally aggressive and catty is super dumb because that is just UT as a person
I will actually read things and maaaybe even have opinions tonight
definitely maybe
How can you read this and not immediately want to burn this at the stake? Seriously.
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vezok wrote:I'm getting scummy vibes from tammy. It might be jsut her excitement, but something is weird.
I know this is from a while back, but vezok, can you talk about why you were getting scummy vibes from tammy and whether you still are?
Can you also possibly elaborate a little more on why you're townreading Empire?
I'm not sure I can put it into words. I've played some games with tammy and she's more reserved as town. I'm not sure if reserved is the right adjective. At the beginning she seemed way too excited. The read changed to null right now though.
As for Empire: No.
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Post #990 (isolation #20) » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:35 am
Postby vezokpiraka »
In post 987, Espeonage wrote:Whoever gets the boon is going to be a target for Mafia.
So I think everyone needs to unvote. And then everyone needs to vote if they are ok with being booned. It spreads confusion for mafia over who is a PR and it also gives mafia wifom over if it is actually a good idea to go after whoever gets booned.
I don't want to see any votes on someone that hasn't said they are ok with being booned.
Because knowing the sign of another player is something mafia will surely hunt down. Why would they look for the role that stops them from killing people when they can kill a random player who knows the sign of another player.
Are you scum espe or is your logic just bad?
I'm ok with being booned.
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Post #1115 (isolation #22) » Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:46 pm
Postby vezokpiraka »
In post 1113, Marquis wrote:I would actually be okay with booning certain groupthink scumreads or lurkers though in order to lessen the cost of nightkills because more often than not they're town!
The only thing we need to do right now is not to give the boon to scum.
A town player knowing the sign of another player is good to potentially not very useful.
A scum player knowing the sign of another player is very very bad.
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In post 1276, Titus wrote:
@Bulba, we need to get on the same page. Stat. I feel as if we are reading two separate games sometimes.
And I've told you repeatedly, I don't like Vezok for a boon choice, and I won't be voting for him. You can't yell at TSO to make his own decisions and then yell at me when I do.
Unboon
Boon TSO
Tammy is still the better choice, but if we can't do that, I'd prefer TSO.
This is bullshit. I've been booning TSO nearly from the start. I said my team wants him to take the boon while everyone was trying to boon me, but you think I'm scum and he's town? You're reads are so fabricated that you could nail them to a wall to board a window.
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Post #1475 (isolation #30) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 12:56 am
Postby vezokpiraka »
In post 1473, Gammagooey wrote:TTH hasn't done anything and him coming up with a bad trace result is probably lynchworthy, I just don't really have anything useful to say about him until he gets into the thread.
I've been kind of overloaded with work and personal stuff recently, I'll do my best to find time to share my bulba thoughts at least tomorrow night.
He's not coming back I think.
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Post #1490 (isolation #31) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 4:00 am
Postby vezokpiraka »
In post 1486, TellTaleHeart wrote:I have reasons for detecting DV, which I will not reveal unless I'm being seriously considered as a lynch candidate. As I will be confirmed in the next minor day (don't ask), I'm not particularly worried about that.
You're at l-2 or close. You are indeed considered for a lynch right now.
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Vezok's town.
Tammy's town.
TTH is probtown.
Shadow I'm not touching.
Bulbazak's getting a pass.
Aronis may be town.
Cheetory is town enough.
Gamma looks fine.
CDB is good enough for now.
Marquis is kinda...ehhhh.
DV is just...ehhhhhhhhhh.
Empire's scum.
Espeonage is scum.
Leaves ActionDan, GIF, Titus, TSO, and UT to sort.
Your reads are incredibly bad. Ask your damn team to help you get into this game. If you won't listen to the people in this game because you are paranoid as fuck, then listen to your team. I'm tired of seeing this kind of shitlists.
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Post #1527 (isolation #34) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:38 am
Postby vezokpiraka »
In post 1514, TellTaleHeart wrote:Shadoweh's reaction to my quick wagon when confronted by Bulba is pinging to me, mastin.
The ambivalence in the read itself and the failure to pursue any other leads while soft supporting the wagon under the banner of "vezok got results" is a position I think scum are more likely to take.
You think scum are more likely to agree that my results are scummy and not town thinking we got a scum?
Your argument makes no sense.
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Bulbazak is town because of the fluidity but logical consistency of his opinions. People are consistently inconsistent. I feel that people jumped on the first thing they disagreed with as scummy, rather than actually seeing what was actually scummy. My team told me to be hesitant on declaring people were scum so when I saw the massive pile up on Bulba for reasons I could not even divine much less understand, I figured the push was on town rather than on scum. I know occasionally I am wrong. Given those voices on Bulba's slot have suddenly gone quiet today when it's actually time to lynch Bulba, I can conclude either I was right or scum were setting up massive distancing for towncred. I'm more inclined to believe the former.
P-edit... well I thought no one was make a bulba is scum push...
Bulba as scum remains consistent nearly at all times. You can't say that bulba is not scum just because you didn't find inconsistencies.
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Post #1651 (isolation #37) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:44 pm
Postby vezokpiraka »
In post 1618, mastin2 wrote:I feel horrible doing this, but I have to say it.
Empire's replace-out wasn't a town one.
singer's content is not town content.
That read's not a holdover of a read on Empire. I mean that singer's content simply isn't town, in addition to her slot not having been town in any of its iterations.
In post 1596, Bulbazak wrote:I have the same feelings regarding the TTH wagon as I did with the Shos wagon in Unbalanced 2. It's a bad lynch.
Then you should have the same feels about Esp as you did about Toon!
Can you please understand for the love of all that is holy that Empire is town and your gut is broken?
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Post #1652 (isolation #38) » Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:47 pm
Postby vezokpiraka »
Guys. Let's grill AD and Aronis.
We have two lynches. We can afford wasting one on getting useless players out of the game. Even if we don't lynch them, pressurre isn't going to be bad.
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Post #1695 (isolation #41) » Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:57 am
Postby vezokpiraka »
In post 1674, Titus wrote:@Vezok, That being said quite a few roles beyond doctor might investigate the signs of town. If he is run up against my wishes, we can analyze then. There's jailkeep, bodyguard, Titusonian townie (someone who scumreads a universal townread), just for a few.
So you mean doc with roleblock and doc that dies and idiots. I'm pretty sure tth isn't an idiot.
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In post 2049, Titus wrote:I am fine with Singer CDB or Espy. I will vote the biggest wagon.
I would
prefer
not CDB, since I don't really feel that wagon.
Esp or singer, though, are both fine.
...
That being said
, though, as established, I actually think that Esp is less likely to be scum than singer, so if I had a preference between the two, it'd actually be singer, sooooooooooooooooo... VOTE: singersigner.
I'm willing to believe that I might be missing something this game, but the moment you vote for singer my brain goes kaboom and I start to think you are scum.
@UT: For the love of god help move this wagon away.
Also where the fuck is TSO?
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In post 2353, vezokpiraka wrote:the moment you vote for singer my brain goes kaboom and I start to think you are scum.
Tough. I'm town, walking deadwoman town at that. singer...isn't.
In post 2352, Titus wrote:@Mastina, Thanks. We need to talk about GiF. He's town but I can't explain why. He should be in the block.
If you can give me 100% assurance that GIF is not scum, then I'll consider it. (It depends on his reads more than anything else.) I am dropping the scumread, though. I trust you there.
Speaking of which, updated readslist is coming in.
This is bigger than you ego. This is team mafia and I get a shiny banner if I win.
Can you walk me through why TTH is town holding my hand and talking to me like I'm 5?
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In post 2376, Titus wrote:You just disagreed with Mastina's scumread on DV, but he's not in your townreads. Oversight?
Why don't the three of us work together and exclude GiF, Cheetory, Marquis, TTH, Vezok, DV, Bulba and Shadoweh from the lynch pool today. We maintain our independent reads though?
Acknowledged Oversoul. Once I get my townreads working together I will.
I am going to be working with GiF, Cheetory and CDB as well as you and Oversoul. And maybe Mastin. She can decide if she wants to field a competing townbloc today, but it will be a competing town bloc if that's what she does, and on her head be it if it turns out that two townblocs are bad for town as a whole.
What happened to me?
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In post 2383, vezokpiraka wrote:Can you walk me through why TTH is town holding my hand and talking to me like I'm 5?
Like you're 5, and I'm an adult?
Alright.
Because I said so.
(What, that's what my parents did to me. No explanation, just 'because we said so'.)
THE FUCKING LISTEN TO ME. SINGER IS NOT SCUM.
Maybe I can agree with your tth read, but as long as you believe singer is scum we have nothing to talk about. I will try to discredit every single post of yours and will push for you to be lynched.
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Post #2473 (isolation #53) » Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:32 am
Postby vezokpiraka »
In post 2470, TellTaleHeart wrote:My to-do list today contains:
*An examination of Titus
*An examination of Marquis
*An examination of Untrod Tripod
*A consult with Antihero (if possible, *cross fingers*)
*A reads list.
I hope to have this done in a few hours but I'll definitely just post what I have by this afternoon.
You will-do list contains:
*nothing
*more nothing
*Maybe I will post a prod dodge or something.
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More details on this and updates:
GiF arguably fits into the "lurker" category too, but only in the sense that he's fairly low profile, not really making waves so far (not necessarily for lack of trying), and he's a question mark on a few other people's lists. ffery comes to mind as one of those people. This is also a pretty safe push. I refer to these as "safe pushes" simply because reasons for voting them aren't really there. Even with scum lurkers, those reasons usually exist and can be articulated, but DV hasn't really made an attempt to convincingly do so.
Can you please tell me why you think ffery is a safe push when he is confirmed town? Is no one at all reading the damn thread?
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Post #2498 (isolation #55) » Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:59 am
Postby vezokpiraka »
In post 2496, TellTaleHeart wrote:Irony, thy name is vezokpiraka.
I never said ffery is a safe push. I said ffery had GiF as a question mark in her reads.
Oh this makes sense. Your phrasing was weird, but I understand now.
Carry on then.
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A few times. L4D was where I learned how good his reads could be, mainly based off of what Mastin said in post. I think I played at least two more times with Vezok after that, and I correctly town read him each time. His reads were also pretty good and tended to align with mine, or at least not severely clash with them. Here, I'm having a hard time getting that same feeling, and I don't know if it's just me or if there's really something missing.
In L4D you correctly identified me as town even though my reads where all over the place.
In Marvel Alliance you town read me and we synced up pretty well.
Organic chemistry had me as confirmed town so that doesn't count.
And you were scum in playing card mafia so there was no way we could sync reads.
I agree that you townread me correctly in L4D and MA.
Our reads only synced up in MA.
I really don't understand why you're trying to push this vezok-scum scenario by using meta.
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Post #2626 (isolation #57) » Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:17 pm
Postby vezokpiraka »
@Bulba: TTH wagon wasn't happening. There was no reason to keep my vote there when the deadline was well away. I wanted to push some pressure on the lurkers and aronis was the one I chose. I'm still nullreading him. Even though you were a scumread I would expect you to leave a vote on a lurky scum in the beginning just to throw of VCA or something.
Mostly I wanted to pressure aronis to see how he would react so I could sort him into town or scum and didn't really care who helped build up the pressure.
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Post #3013 (isolation #59) » Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:54 am
Postby vezokpiraka »
Cab we get back to the espe wagon? It's the only wagon I kinda like right now and this game is fucking dragging. We need to do two lynches in 5 days and we don't even have wagons.
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