We The Purple II Game Over

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Well, at least no one can accuse you of being boring.

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Oh, we have an avatar. Way to go, C.

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

No and no.

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

If I was going to policy lynch, there is at least one better policy lynch in this player list. But I'm not going to policy lynch.

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

The last two.

It would probably help to know what you're actually referring to TWIE doing, though, because I have no earthly idea!

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I'm Cephrir. I just told you that.

Being wrong isn't a crime. I've seen you be aggressively wrong before, too.

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

My guilty was on Titus there, not Viomi, also.

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

You pretty much should know why I asked for you in particular.

I do.

You should also have been able to guess I wasn't going to agree with you.

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

You should also have been able to guess I wasn't going to agree with you.

I don't.

Why?

I don't think this conversation is one that should be held.

Though I would think you've also played with me enough to know that I never go for policy lynches.

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I will take anyone hydrating someone other than themselves at this point as scumpartners

So you don't think we should ever hydrate anyone?

Why would you say this rather than lying in wait for someone to do it and then springing your trap? I disagree with your opinion, but if you have that opinion, what I just said seems a more logical way to move forward.

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

No.

I don't feel he's ever been all that terrible and mostly just find him hilarious.

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

As someone who was on and off that lynch myself as different times, meh.

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Oh, so now we're policy lynching people for postgame actions? Calm your tits.

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

VOTE: Cait Sith

Hydrate: Ricastle

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Don't <3 the angry people. They get <3s when they stop being angry.

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I get why you vote a policy in RVS and this much resistance is astounding, even for those who disagree with the policy.

That's not what I'm seeing?

Are you blind? Show me where anyone has been so up in anyone else's face regarding an RVS vote. Usually RVS starts with a series of naked votes.

Here, people are refusing to wagon, which gets us out of RVS. Twie hasn't posted much but I already want a wagon here for vca.

~Titus

It was not presented as an RVS wagon.

I like Ricastle as town but not sure I want to hydrate him. After all, what stops scum from just shooting whoever we hydrate?

The hydrated player can share the power with another player at night. Please reconsider and join the Castle legion, we have Rics!

This post seriously disappointed me. I expected a much more interesting reaction after your first post. It also doesn't contain a reply to me.

Unhydrate

, since that was the only reason I did it.

Our we can just lynch him and get a scumflip Sonic. Take a step back from ZOMG policy and look at the reactions you got. Compare them to when people want to policy me and you.

Do you actually believe that this is a thing that will happen based purely on the actions of others?

Hey, Ricastle, I'll strike you a deal.

Shift your vote onto TWIE and I'll put the Hydrate on you, and tell Titus not to remove it. For as long as your vote stays there.

What if you move off TWIE? Is the deal then canceled?

So you are seeing a little deal like this as a real path to being elected?

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I won't cancel a deal because you were being faithful.

To make this even clearer, the deal has an expiry date. By page 20, the deal will expire. Until then, as long as your vote is on TWIE, my Hydrate will be on you.

Sounds good?

Disregarding the fact that we'll be at P20 in a couple of hours, good enough.

VOTE: TheWayItEnds

I want to get elected, C. That should be all you need to know.

That is not all I need to know. I need to know if you're town, and to that end I need to know a bunch of other things.

Any first vote is RVS as it as nothing to do with this game.

They might as well say "Vote: Jimbob" policy lynch cuz RVS. Random votes can have reasons but until we draw alignment based conclusions we are still in RVS. Given the lack of push to get wagons going, I have a scumread on TWIE.

Hydrate: Ricastle

~Titus

I'm not sure I could disagree more with this post.

Admittedly, that is possibly a towntell for you.

This post seriously disappointed me. I expected a much more interesting reaction after your first post. It also doesn't contain a reply to me.

And I fully expected a vote on me from him.

P-Edit: "lack of push" when we're only in like page 4 and more than half of the ppl haven't even shown up yet what

I expected if not a vote on you then at least some sort of joking acknowledgement that you were fucking with him.

Ricastle, have you ever been scum before?

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Fine,

Town: Tammy, Ricastle, Sonic Boom

Scum: Who knows, Oversoul?

Totally going to be a hot mess: This game.

I will policy lynch Sonic Boom as long as they have over 1/3 of the posts in the thread. That is not going to fly.

So this post is intended as a response to the one right above it?

I will policy lynch Sonic Boom as long as they have over 1/3 of the posts in the thread.

If you help me to policy lynch TheWayItEnds for actually performing actions that can cause town to lose,

I will promise you that I will shut up until page 60.

Pinky promise.

You do realize this isn't going to happen, right?

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Also, is anyone reading my posts, because I feel like I'm not getting responded to and no one has an opinion on me. >:

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

VOTE: Ricastle

Please don't ignore me, I am sensitive.

Still waiting to hear whether Sonic Boom actually think this is going to happen. It's not.

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

ricastle town, AFB town, oversoul maybe town, sonic boom scum, GIF maybe scum

it's multiball and >95% of posts are easily fucking faked.

These posts don't seem like they belong together.

also, I would like to make a formal request that we attempt to keep the rate of posting down this game

the last thing I want to see in this game is a 200 fucking page day 1; and no, I don't really care if you think more posts will make it easier to sort people. this is more so the case when it's multiball and >95% of posts are easily fucking faked.

Amen

VOTE: Sonic Boom

This is a wagon for justice and if there is anything in the game that needs Tk be lynched for overall health it is this
Not dealing with another Titus scum in Signs and Void
Not even going to try

Please don't

drink

play league of legends

policy lynch

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

hydrate Rune

I don't like the way sonic is playing but the case against is pretty weak too. Not in favour of any policy lynches this game. Twie seems alright to me so far.

Fos homunculus

A) I just realized someone townread this off a naked vote post?
B) Talk to me, not at me, please!

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

How did you know my life was basically alcohol LoL and Mafia? d:

I didn't! I am actually okay with one of these things but really recommend against the other!

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I have absolutely no idea what Sonic Boom's alignment is, for what it's not worth at all because it's a worthless thing to say.

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Town: Oversoul, Bacon?

Weird and/or scary: AFB

Mhm.

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

what do you think HH has done this game that is unlikely to come from scum?

fsr i find that ceph evaluating my policy lynch proposal is pretty town.

you know the bit where he remembered that he had a guilty on titus.

he /cared/

even though he denied it, he /cared/

thats townpoints

I remember that game really well because I was so wonderfully full of righteous fury.

I really enjoy being full of righteous fury.

Also my reads were actually good, and that doesn't happen too often.

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

These posts don't seem like they belong together.

if you don't believe my reads, you could just.... ask?

That's not what I'm saying. It's curious to me that you would give reads then immediately hate on the idea of having reads.

Oversoul, if we were a hydra it would go against my wincon to tell people you are scum

But yes, that would have been perfect here.

Why?

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

So this post is intended as a response to the one right above it?

Not really. I'm not sure why I prefaced it with a "Fine," but I have a lot of crap bouncing around in my head right now so its God's guess what cause that.

Well, at least you identified what made me tilt my head in your general direction.

Also, is anyone reading my posts, because I feel like I'm not getting responded to and no one has an opinion on me. >:

Not really sure what to make of you yet. I'm trying not to encourage the spamposting that SB is doing and you seem to be getting swept into though. Ricastle is town and I don't really get what you are seeing there. Also that one Cephrir quote strip post (might be the one about Ricastle?) made me narrow my eyes. Ya'll might be scum and I'm going to feel like a blind man without his seeing eye dog w/o mastin here to help me with that. Not that mastin is a dog.

I'm not seeing anything there. I don't really have a read on Ricastle, I just voted him to get his attention.

Hesitating with me is fair and expected.

SMD -C; Ceph should be able to read me and Cheetory I have no idea but you guys are being trolls with signing. Not that I care, but expect me to be snarkier than I might normally be.

Cheetory hasn't posted

I might be able to read you. We'll find out, I guess.

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I think at this point it's clear that either Oversoul or Angry Bros should be hyrdrated (and this is only because I haven't posted, so I haven't asserted myself as anything yet).

I think the best empowered combo involves any combination of the 3 of us right now.

In what universe is any of this "clear"?

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Rune seems pretty town!

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

2. since this is multiball, the majority of posts are very easily fakeable. ergo, it's even worse here since there's even less useful posts.

I don't think you're fully getting what I was saying, but I don't actually care about the issue, so don't worry about it.

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Rune seems pretty town!

-C

why?

Tone

Also maybe I'm giving him too much credit just because it says goon under his name & i realize this

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I think I know why you're saying this but it's easy to fake, especially given the setup (it's easy to act like "troll mode town" and have it come off a lot more natural in multiball in my opinion. you might disagree, though).

Maybe for some. I don't think knowing it's multiball has much impact on my scumposting, but for less accomplished fake scumhunters it might help.

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I think I just remembered how AP works and now I think he's townish but I know better than to give him a free pass :p

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Spoiler: Mastin-tier self meta for Ceph

@Cephory6: Haha. My posts are like night and day to me as scum/town. I need to read old cum games of mine just to remind myself how people like me operate as scum. Its one of the reasons why I dislike "objective" things like treatment of buddies and votes at certain junctures. Like when I play scum, all I see are possibilities and I just flirt with them all game. Not in the sense that I"leave options open", but I will decide that I'm bussing player X to death one Day if the wind is blowing the right way or I might throw a hissy fit and melt down. Looking at superficial markers of my play won't get anyone anywhere. My attitude and emotional progression is what makes me town/scum. I have real fears and motivators as both alignments and they color what I say even if what I'm "saying" is the same.

That's much better than anything mastin has ever said on the subject really.

It was also interesting, relatedly.

you feel like night and day to me here vs your scum games, i think? but hey, what do i know.

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

i really have to get some work done.

peace for a bit

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Ceph, it doesen't really matter anymore, but my original post was a gambit to get hydrated. The site I originated from I almost always rolled scum, but not yet here.

I agree with SxN on the posting issue. I had to skim the past 5 pages without really taking it in to catch up and I'm not really seeing any point where I'll be able to calmly overview the events. Although I suppose that's what you get for joining a game with what, 8 hydras?

I agree that it doesn't matter. But I don't know why I had to jump through hoops to get a simple question answered.

I also probably asked you something else, but I forget.

I would think you'd have been chomping at the bit to crow about your gambit. That isn't the sort of thing that ordinarily needs to be extracted like a particularly stubborn tooth.

etc

Why?

Moreover, why do you hate transparency?

wgeurts is scum unfortunately :\

Yeah I hated the wguereutre post, really awkward

Flavor:

I'm Cephrir and I'm furrrtastic... There is also an image of Pumbaa for my flavor.

I'm in this game?!? <3 <3 <3

Oh my god you guys.

We aren't lynching Rune or Ricastle Today.

@whoever asked: wgeurts is the one making scummy posts.

why

Oh my god you guys.

We aren't lynching Rune or Ricastle Today.

@whoever asked: wgeurts is the one making scummy posts.

Just to meta rune, his town play is usually... Well, his town play is constantly screaming town. I don't have that vibe this game, usually he's more positive and constructive even early in the game. He doesn't have many forum games, so it's hard to tell 100% how valid that information is, but it's definitely worth noting that if we're not lynching him, he's probably the worst hydration target.

He's usually constructive? I can't imagine his current play being further from that word.

Yeah btw we probably shouldn't fluff. we have a shitton of high posters this game (Titus, Tammy, Mala, Wisdom, ns, sonic) which will already make the game a decently high PC once it gets going.

I resent not being on this list D:<

snip

lol this sounds so off

i know it's anen and he always sounds off but i've played with anen once and lynched him correctly so

VOTE: espyonecheagegef

also mod i am hydrating no one

-C

p.s. I'm v/la this weekend

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Jesus this game became a thing quickly.
:/

If you so wish, please peruse this reference.

Unfortunately, I doubt that you care enough to actually take a look at it.

Is this an actual thing that you actually believe should happen or was this just a way to get the ball-rolling?

So you don't think we should ever hydrate anyone?

Oh you so silly ceph. That's probably not what castle is saying.

I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF YOU

GET OUT

Why not just replace out if this is legitimately causing your play in this game to be complete garbage? You and Titus both being on board for this and the overdramatic way you're pushing it makes it seem like a bullshit ploy rather than legitimate anger.

I like Ricastle as town but not sure I want to hydrate him. After all, what stops scum from just shooting whoever we hydrate?

Oh god I am getting the worst flashbacks to the bullshit theorycrafting you were pushing at the start of Signs and Void.
Are you really implying that we shouldn't be using hydrating at any point in this game even though without it we won't have PRs in this game?
Really, Titus? Really?

Are you blind? Show me where anyone has been so up in anyone else's face regarding an RVS vote. Usually RVS starts with a series of naked votes.

Except your vote isn't an RVS vote..
It's being made with the premise of it being an absurdly serious vote, whilst having absolutely no bearing on the actual game itself.
zzzzzzzzzz.

Titus you'd better not be scum this time. I don't think I have it in me to figure you out again. -_-

This post was awkward singer.
Talk at me.
Where are your reads at atm?

This post seriously disappointed me. I expected a much more interesting reaction after your first post. It also doesn't contain a reply to me.

Nah Ceph. Castle's still good.

Admittedly, that is possibly a towntell for you.

Nah Ceph. SonicBoom is probably scum.

@Tammy

, what's your read on SonicBoom pls and ty.

Stop shirking your responsibilities

Why is this a reason to vote Angry?

Either way I want to see a wagon on him at least.

I don't believe you.
Like at all.
You're coming at this one second being angry as fuck about him not being dead.
The next you're trying to act like it's for VCA.
How is that consistent at all?

Dont say things like that.

I'm trying to see just how much lying hes willing to do to try and remove me from this game.

Its quite entertaining.

Hey.
You.
Can you like play the game so SonicBoom has less reason to hide behind being absurdly tunnelshitty over nothing?
K?

This is a wagon for justice and if there is anything in the game that needs Tk be lynched for overall health it is this
Not dealing with another Titus scum in Signs and Void
Not even going to try

Is this a policy vote or a scumhunting vote? Say words at me about what the thought process was here.

you guys are being trolls with signing.

Oh.
Brb signing this post as -C.

I think at this point it's clear that either

Oversoul

or Angry Bros should be hyrdrated (and this is only because I haven't posted, so I haven't asserted myself as anything yet).

Gonna have to be real explicit with the reasoning on the bolded. Pls and ty.

GIF was fairly bovious town in Signs/Voids and I'm not seeing the same GIF here

I remember GiF having a really slow start and being completely void of content for a while in S&V.
Do you agree or disagree?
If you agree, what's the difference between here and there?

I like 190 on a personal level, but at the same time I'd like seikoslot to talk more about other things, despite the fact that sonic is very.. attention-grabbing.
Not sure if they do talk about other things later, but the focus on sonic here without explicitly pushing a scumread there reads as fillery which makes me wary. Need to ISOdive to confirm whether this is just me getting weird vibes on a post in isolation vs the entire body of what they've said so far.

TWIE, your posting is starting to ring my scumdar because it looks like Survivor.

Articulate this. How is it looking like Survivor? Because if you say it's just him not saying very much and being a dick I'll roll my eyes.

Well

This might be an easy game.

Singer is town. Titus/sonic hydra is town.

Words at me about both of these reads please.

ConciseThoughts

My brain was going fuzzy by the end of this catchup.
Currently sitting on a few semi-decent townreads.
Singer needs to post more because softpings.
TWIE should replace if he's just going to focus on trolling sonic. If he's scum I'll be especially mad because it'll make sonic righteous and let him hold this game up as justification for always playing like this. -.-
Sonic and Oversoul were pinging me a lot on entry.
Oversoul's wallpost looked okay, but I can't tell if that's just because it was a nice wall and my brain was like "wow words seem town" after having read so much sonicboom bs.
Sonic. Talk at me. And preferably in a concise and calm manner.
VOTE: Sonic

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Zzzz.
Is this rhetoric to get a wagon going?
Or is it rhetoric because you're scum and you're hiding behind a fakepush?
Or is it not rhetoric and you legitimately think TWIE should be lynched no matter what his alignment is?

If it's option 3, you should consider replacing out.
Halfway through this game I decided option 3 isn't particularly likely.
But in the off-chance I'm wrong, yeah you should just like.. not play in this game if you're not actually going to scumhunt?

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Like of all the boring things to respond to in my catchup post.
That just makes me sad.

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Your focus certainly hasn't been on scumhunting with the manner in which you tried to force a TWIE wagon that just was never going to happen and still probably isn't going to happen [at least not on the merits you're trying to push atm].
If he's scum you're making it easier for him to hide behind being a dick to you because of all the rhetoric you've been throwing at him all game.
How is that productive?

-Cheetory6

[Homiletic Homunculi]

You're scumhunting in the same way Titus was in Signs and Void.
If you want to handwave criticisms based on you making some scumhunting posts vs your mountain of shitposts about TWIE being toxic rather than scum, then I can feel more justified in my vote here.

Let's talk about something that isn't awful though.

Top 3 scumreads that aren't TWIE and why.
Go.

[Homiletic Homunculi]

As for my stance on hydrating, it should be perfectly clear I want nulls hydrated. Major scum points as neither head is oblivious. I am also voting to hydrate someone I am explicitly nullreading.

Should it have been perfectly clear in that post I quoted?
If I missed something afterwards that indicates a change in stance then feel free to point me there, but the point stands that this theorycrafting about "we should hydrate nobody" looks like you're trying to test the waters for hydrating nobody much in the same way it looked like you were trying to test the waters for baneing nobody in S&V.

Also, Cephir should know I use theory as both alignments.

What does this have to do with anything?

Obviously my play has been entirely protown in generating discussion and stopping rvs on page 1

If you make me want to replace out by spamposting issues with someone that aren't game-related then you aren't being entirely protown?

So I think I shall drop this "policy thing" for now

I am going to revisit it later, I promise you

Okay. I appreciate this.

I only have two scumreads right now, TWIE and Rune.

Reasoning for each?

I don't have 3 scum reads, you fool

There are a lot of people in this game.
Surely you must be wary of some people to the point where you could call someone possibly more likely to be scum than null?

[Homiletic Homunculi]

PRETENTIOUS AT BEST.
HIDING YOUR READS AT WORST.
-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

"Hi guys my name is SonicBoom and I'm going to stand in the way of you trying to get a read on me because ????????"
I can't fathom a reason not to at the very least elaborate on your reads on TWIE and Rune in a more meaningful manner.
You could even just tell me to look through your ISO if you think it's explained there.
The strugglefest in response just seems like bullshit considering you're making such a big deal about only your good scumreads being worth posting. If they're good scumreads then it shouldn't be hard to articulate why they're good scumreads?

Cephrir being your hydra partner should inform you I am very theory driven regardless of alignment.

Cephrir isn't immediately available and I'm not going to ask him to check every single thought I have before I post it.
If you think I should talk with him about this point, I can?
If he comes back to me and says you're full of shit on this point, will you selfvote for me? c:

@Ricastle

, can I look at AFB tomorrow? I don't want to read things in a thoughtful manner again tonight. q.q

P-Edit: Seiko, I feel like the manner you're engaging Sonic here is just weird. They've actively agreed not to push a policy lynch on TWIE anymore. What's the point to this engage anymore?

-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Like.
Sonic is being a shit about TWIE.
I agree with you seiko.
But like.
Are you getting a better read on them by arguing this?
Or are you just super duper confident that they're scum and trying to push it through atm?
Talk at me.
-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

nay. disagree. hopping on with a "scumreading sonic" is one of the safest reads that you can take right now. especially w/o reasons. especially w/o interacting with me first.

Except Seiko did give some reasoning?

in all seriousness, Titus's opening was pretty awful

and I would like to know if MS has any scum reads at all so far this game

And you ignored those points, instead of addressing them, in favour of flailing about her not having reasons which is just like.. not true?
Maybe you missed them, but you should at least walk back your ridiculously overblown reaction to her scumreading you over nothing [which is just like.. provably not true?] and then we can all talk like reasonable adults.

it almost seems as if you are trying to discourage townreads or

townblocs

from forming.

*twitch*

I don't care for his "you won't lynch me" attitude or his attempts to stifle discussion. Reads, even poor, unfounded ones, are good at this point of the game. If someone gets a boon, we can track to see if their behavior is consistent with their reads.

I really wish people could just like point me at things. -.-
I have issues with focus. When I ask for something, it's for a reason.
What do you think is particularly scummy vs bad about this?

I keep cutting out things that I'm irked by with Sonic's ISO, but I'm starting to feel like I'm just more annoyed with them than anything and the majority of the questions/things I want to yell about aren't even related to the game. -.-

I mean, I guess it's possible, but my first reaction to finding out he apparently had a bunch of town reads was that I didn't believe he'd be that naive.

This might be valid [I can't really say I'm all that familiar with how GiF plays earlygame], but why not ask him about it vs. just sitting on it?

I'm not sure I like titus trying to prepare for the lategame all over the thread, talking about leashing and voting the nulls and future VCA while totally ignoring what is going on at the moment.

Is there something specific you would be expecting her to comment on that she didn't?

I like notscience on ISOdive.

@Pie

, I'd like you to drop Sonic for now and come back to them later.
I don't think the engage there is going to be productive and is just going to needlessly escalate in the he said she said kind of way that nobody cares about.
And I feel like you're ignoring a lot of other stuff in favour of a very narrow discussion.
Tell me about what you're thinking about Oversoul atm.

@Castle

, AFB looks decent enough on ISOdive.
I don't understand the flip on Tammy, but it feels townish.
I like his read on Breakfast, but that's realistically probably closer to null than town.
He's probably also town for reasons I'm not talking about.

Titus is already doing that weird capitulation as scum, while not really capitulating that she did in Signs and Void under pretty much the same exact circumstance

Can you talk more at me about this?

VOTE: Oversoul

-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Nah.
-Cheet.

[Homiletic Homunculi]

The fact you missed something that large here Cheetory

Okay firstly, I didn't miss it at first. I just didn't look for it. I asked to be linked to it because I don't want to look through your ISO every single time I want to find something, largely because I don't want to waste my focus sifting through a bunch of stuff if it's potentially not even there in the first place.
Secondly, this wording is superrrr hyperbolic. You making a single post with a sentence or two of reasoning in it isn't THAT LARGE.
-.-

Thirdly,

i) You have time to ignore my questions but you have time to take a potshot like this? Kay.

Oh god I'm losing my mind. I thought I'd asked CDB questions that he ignored but I didn't q.q.

UT why you no vote.
Why you ignore me.
Why.
y.

Wait fuck I'm an idiot you're voting Empire.

I found this in like two minutes, but there are literally tons of examples of me saying things before thinking about things or fact-checking and me repeatedly asking people to tell me to do things because I don't have enough energy/focus to do it on my own volition.
Are you really telling me you didn’t notice this at all in S&V?

@Axehole

, I don't really understand what you’re saying about me or why it's scummy?

Jessica has requested replacement

“MAN I AM SO PROTOWN.”

-Cheet.

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Oversoul now less town, call it gut, his posts had a very town vibe for me, I'm just skeptical to rely entirely on this and he hasn't really given me many other reasons to hold onto this gut fiercely. I still think he's town, but I would like to see more out of him. (which I fully expect we will)

Oh hey look, an awkward hedgey read.
Scumpartners with Oversoul?

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Oh jeeze.

Hydrate: Rune

-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

@Cheetory, Rune's attitude is a problem for me because it is at least anti-spam but a strong scum indicator as well. When I am town, the only way I can know about not being lynched is if I am scum.

Being anti-spam isn't scummy at all.
I also don't know how being lynched is any less uncertain as scum than it is as town.

Second, his attitude towards hydration and reads is almost comical. The person who should be hydrated should not talk about reads. Are you kidding me? Even if we take my approach of hydrating nulls, comparing actions with reads is the only failsafe we have. We all want to be hydrated, so if we took Rune's approach, there would be little to no conversation.

Do you think scum necessarily actively tries to shut down conversation like this?
Or rather, do you think that's his main intention here if he is scum?
Because I would get the impression that he's just trying to have a strong stance/opinion if he were scum.
I'm kind of leaning that he's not scum atm though because some of his recent reasoning has layers in a manner that I associate as being more likely to be coming from town.

-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Homunculus is my favourite

Aw thanks that's nic-

scum in this game.

:c

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Hi folks

I have less than an hour right now, let's see what I can get posted

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

VOTE: breakfast

hydrate greedy homunculus

I'm still the best choice for hydration.

What

You later claim your posts are serious and you went from calling me scum to hydrating me after like one post from me

please stop

Less sexy head here, and I have no reads lalala. I need to actually read though and talk to mala, as she apparently has read and has reads.

I am thinking about the potential that flavor claiming and if it will be harmful though and I'll talk to mala about that after I look back at the previous game. Iirc correctly once we figured out what our role did, I think there was some discussion about what hydrad were likely to get what roles snd that was based on what that hydra typically got. Idk if that would be the case here, but it's possible. Although I imagine that would just be the case for a few if any.

I'm sharing my flavor though because it's funny and there's no way it gives away anything because drama queens hasn't played a game yet though we've had the hydra for a while now.

Anyway, I'm tammy, and MARA thinks I'm fun to be around and even though I can't make a decision that I stick to people love me anyway! Isn't she sweet. Anyway, last night when I saw my role pm and saw that I was tammy I thought that she was just personalizing our role pm's with nice things she thought about us because hey we're all vts anyway. It wasn't until today that it dawned on me what that was. This just goes to show how self-absorbed I am because I'm a hydra and why would she just address it to me, and two gies to show how much of an idiot I can be because I knew the setup especially after playing the first one.

Axe - each day we'll be voting for hydration.

I had something else to say...hrm please hold.

you should tell whoever got the cephrir role to [censored]

I am not playing to be lynched. I should be hydrated. I doubt I'll be lynched.

you can't softclaim in games that don't have power roles buddy

good try

Most of my posts, including votes, have been quite serious

they objectively havent

snip

I am not at all persuaded by your points about oversoul and instead dislike you for making them. It's silly to accuse someone of setting up to coastbecause they made one post indicating their disappointment with their role. If he said "I'm not going to give a fuck about this game" you still wouldn't have a worthwhile point here IMO

Yes

You are right, that one long wall totally makes up for what you did earlier.

There is no need to "make up for" it. You're saying he's scummy because he's going to coast in the future and now he has demonstrably not done that. That demolishes your point.

-C is sorry for quotewalling about page 16

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I forgot my obligatory "oh god zzzx is shitposting again help."

wanted to note before i read more of it happening that i expect titus scum would immediately suck up to singer as hard as possible bc team mafiashowed the other tack doesn't work for her so it's a bit distrubing to me to see that happening for what i percieve as very little reason

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

on this page, cheet interprets my words as reads when they aren't necessarily more than offhanded comments

i am fine with our vote moving to sonic though, even though i think twie is possibly also scum unfortunately

i will try to spampost less now

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Ok I am going to stop phone posting

Too many of your questions are too surface level and ill thought out and I can only answer with lame responses to your lame questions and this inflates my post count

Literally you are asking me "what are your reads" which is super lame because the answer is super fake able and even scum need to scumhunt so whatever I'm doing is a town tell

tl;dr your questions such as "what are your reads and why?" suck and they inflate my post count which is what is pissing you off in the first place

i hope we're still voting this

[Homiletic Homunculi]

TWIE is scum because he's literally pulling the same woah is me shit he pulled there despite me asking him to scumhunt.

this issue is so much more complex than that and you know it

also i lied about the spamposting

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Homiletic Homunculi I feel like there are too many distractions from their scum reads, they seem to be piling on a few different reasons why their vote could go other ways, then it goes on someone who in some cases (Sonic) seemed to be their primary discussion topic, while in others it seems to be one of their fallback routes (Oversoul) which they started preparing for previously.

uh

so we're scum for saying a lot of words and voting for people?

please put down the drugs and/or scum role pm

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I'm not the best person to hydrate because I was playing poorly partly because if I was hydrated scum would have a harder choice who to kill. Now That it has been mentioned there is wifom and it is no longer by default optimal. I'm still a good choice.

How can you honestly have thought you would get hydrated for playing scummy while also not advocating hydrating you in a remotely active manner

Oh jeeze.

Hydrate: Rune

-Cheet

stahp

[Homiletic Homunculi]

re: sonic wall: I appreciate the effort, but I don't understand why it took so much effort to get this out of you. I have at least one point of disagreement, but as I am running out of time, I'm not going to delve into that right now.

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Homiletic Homunculi I feel like there are too many distractions from their scum reads, they seem to be piling on a few different reasons why their vote could go other ways, then it goes on someone who in some cases (Sonic) seemed to be their primary discussion topic, while in others it seems to be one of their fallback routes (Oversoul) which they started preparing for previously.

uh

so we're scum for saying a lot of words and voting for people?

please put down the drugs and/or scum role pm

You're making a mockery of a valid point and are refusing to review your play, which I don't like. What I mean is quite clear - the text and the votes don't seem to make sense together.

I can already tell how retarded this argument is going to be.

Your point as far as I can tell is worthy of mockery. We are assessing the entire game and giving lots of opinions on lots of players. That's not "creating fallback routes," it's scumhunting. This reads like you decided to attack us and had to pull a reason to do so from so far up your ass that I imagine your hand must still be stuck there. It's basically a too townie argument as far as I can see. Why would we need to "fall back" off of a sonic vote at a time when they were under a lot of pressure and looked reallyscummy? You've failed to attribute any motivation to this action and are labeling it as scummy because that's the narrative you've decided to push

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Just to confirm:

VOTE: Rune

And I am also quite confident. Brilliant, eh?

so did you read the thread or did you not?

My name is cabd, I am a computer nerd with no life who loves to troll and is good at nothing else. Long live the league of the purple.

I kinda want to kynch you for this.

If she didn't randomize people and/or roles, you'd be a good candidate for scum by virtue of being cabd, though I'm not sure if the hydra drew scum a lot and she probably wouldn't make it that easy.

if alignment and role are related cephrir is probably also scum

yeah every single vote against sonic boom in this game has been terrible

tell me more

also i think psyche is town

It feels like a lot of your reads are just based off of scumhunting (zzzx, glass, cheetrir) but ultimately in this game we can't just auto-townread someone for scumhunting because even scum have to scumhunt.

how does one get townreads then

gotta jet see yall later (maybe today?)

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I included the Rune town read because I think it's pretty important here. Basically, there is kind of a random town read on Rune, which is followed up by questioning why anything from Rune's play is town. Like, he just asks him in one of the following posts "Why do you hate transparency", "Rune's posts couldn't be further from constructive". Okay... Where does the town "Tone" come from?

I am not townreading Rune anymore, I thought that was reasonably clear. Although I initially interpreted his posting as lighthearted, I began to see it as deliberately counterproductive. In addition, he's outright ignored questions, pushed things he has no basis for, etc. I stopped townreading him not very long after I originally called him town. I have no idea why we are hydrating him and I am very much against doing so. Even if he is town I don't trust him even a little to make a good night choice.

That's my biggest issue with HH right now, and it's not limited to that one instance, it seems like he posts these things about people to emulate scum hunting, but it's really disingenuous because at the end of his post, he just slaps on a vote to one of the cases and I'm left wondering why someone who had a case on them is suddenly town and what happened to all of the other cases? Why was the vote moved ~ neither the first nor the second case looked more solid because he developed them equally.

I would like you to provide examples of this so I can respond in a specific manner. I like to swing my vote around somewhat beause it pleases me to do so, but if you're talking about why our read onOversoul is so weird it's beause Cheet is scumreading him and I am not, and Cheet seems to think he has sole ownership of our vote

Another good example of disingenuous scum hunting is how he "scum reads" me for having a mild town read (as you can see in my read list) on Oversoul. I imagine it'll eventually come to being my turn on the basis of "Well, the read is equally developed, let's see if this sticks".

That is not even close to why I'm scumreading you! I change my mind about people sometimes and frankly I think sticking to your reads come hell or high water is textbook scum play so.

VOTE: axe

Happy?

I'm going to ISO a few people and make a readslist later.
I think we should hydrate mariomaniac or p2 I.e. someone who looks town but replaced in and so won't have been able to contribute enough.

tl/dr:

Town: {SeikoxNaomi, Sonic Boom, Homiletic Homunculi}
Nulltown: {Rune, Oversoul, singersigner}
Null: {randomidget}
Nullscum: {Angry Frat Bros, Ricastle, zzzx, TheWayItEnds, NotAnAxeHole, MarioManiac4, p2}
Scum: {Cait Sith, Espyoncheage}

unhydrate

till I talk with GIF. Our vote is good where it is.

~Wis

This reads town to me, I like his read list and reasoning, though, I don't agree with it... I have to acknowledge the possibility that his reads are right and mine are wrong.

I hate this because it's not consistent. Until this post you had a huge ego and everything you said was definitely right all the time always, and while I hate players like that because they are just plain bad at mafia, youcan't just go around having an inconsistent personality and have that be ok with me.

Homiletic Homunculi I feel like there are too many distractions from their scum reads, they seem to be piling on a few different reasons why their vote could go other ways, then it goes on someone who in some cases (Sonic) seemed to be their primary discussion topic, while in others it seems to be one of their fallback routes (Oversoul) which they started preparing for previously.

uh

so we're scum for saying a lot of words and voting for people?

please put down the drugs and/or scum role pm

You're making a mockery of a valid point and are refusing to review your play, which I don't like. What I mean is quite clear - the text and the votes don't seem to make sense together.

I can already tell how retarded this argument is going to be.

Your point as far as I can tell is worthy of mockery. We are assessing the entire game and giving lots of opinions on lots of players. That's not "creating fallback routes," it's scumhunting. This reads like you decided to attack us and had to pull a reason to do so from so far up your ass that I imagine your hand must still be stuck there. It's basically a too townie argument as far as I can see. Why would we need to "fall back" off of a sonic vote at a time when they were under a lot of pressure and looked reallyscummy? You've failed to attribute any motivation to this action and are labeling it as scummy because that's the narrative you've decided to push

-Ceph

We're not going to have an argument, either you understand my play style and reasoning or you don't and either I understand your play style and reasoning or I don't. I don't think either of us are going to change our minds about these topics until and unless it's done in a diplomatic manner, and if I'm right (about you being scum), it'll probably only be possible post-game.

What an absurd cop-out.

re: sonic wall: I appreciate the effort, but I don't understand why it took so much effort to get this out of you.

ceph will you answer my bolded question


will ANYBODY actually engage me????

I thought you said you only wanted everyone else to answer it

But I don't think it's correct when you take my reads into account. If you were just talking about Cephrir you'd say "is scumreading Axe and ambivolent about Rune."All the same though, I don't think the triangle is particularly indicative of anything. It seems like you want people to say bussing, but bussing in multiball is kind of bad play so ???

@homunculus why is it weird that I hydrate you after voting you? It's pretty consistent with my prior votes and my thoughts on hydration. I think it's pretty weak for you to make a point like that.

I don't remember what you said about hydration.

Unless someone tells me that posts from like this are normal from a town-him, I consider him scum. Period. ISO White Flag-Psycho. Iso p2 here. Can you see? Can you all see?

Do your own legwork please. If you want to draw a parallel, actually draw it.

would actually trust espyonage hydra for the read on psyche.

after all, psyche is their long lost hateful jaded scorned ex-teammate

[insuffiecient data]

@HH, What do you think about Seiko's hypocritical response about us not doing anything (bullshit) but letting TWIE coast? Your soft defenses of each other are getting to the point where I am tempted to start calling you guys a scumread but tbh one of you is probably whiteknighting.
~Titus

Link & specifics pls, I am lazy & you already know what you'rereferring to

tl/dr:
Town: {SeikoxNaomi, Sonic Boom, Homiletic Homunculi}
Nulltown: {Rune, Oversoul, singersigner}
Null: {randomidget}
Nullscum: {Angry Frat Bros, Ricastle, zzzx, TheWayItEnds, NotAnAxeHole, MarioManiac4, p2}
Scum: {Cait Sith, Espyoncheage}

Wait-oh.
Sonic is town, but admitting not being able to read Titus?
Singer is nulltown, however

"Uh. I wanna say town but I feel like that's more bias from TeamMafia than it is an actual townread. The one thing that gives me townvibes here are her questions to the mod, which I feel could have been done in private if she was scum. But I don't know how much water this holds."

? Asking questions in public is a thing that many do as scum.
TWIE is null-scum because of OMGUS-ing Sonic... whereas Sonic is on the townlist.
N'Axe is null-scum because of focus-ing on Rune, even if you don't know him and it could be a town-behavior too?
Hadn't the Rune-alt topic been discussed by that post?
Your read on us... you didn't like anything but you mentioned only one of the heads. Is that enough for calling us a strong read in a large?
Cat Sídhe... yet again, enough for a scumread, but

"I don't know what Mala has posted (I assume just the vague singer/Titus townreads), but I don't see anything town there either."

This is really pedantic and shallow

i am fine with our vote moving to sonic though, even though i think twie is possibly also scum unfortunately

TWIE is scum because he's literally pulling the same woah is me shit he pulled there despite me asking him to scumhunt.

this issue is so much more complex than that and you know it

also i lied about the spamposting

Ceph these feel like strange posts to make back to back.

They don't to me! I don't love your posting & am leaning scum but reading you isn't that simple that you can say "it looks like this one game, instant scumbin."

in fact that is never true.

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Quick readlist from just me, even though I hate them, because yall don't seem to be able to keep my opinions straight.

Town
oversoul
afb
breakfast
mm4 (glass)
ricastle
p2
singer
zzzx
random
cait sith
sonic
rune
seiko
twie
espyondhfuhdcge
axe
Less town

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

that list makes a lot more sense to me if you draw lines after mm4, after p2, and after seiko

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I'm not gonna post anymore until Ceph and I get on the same page with reads.
Especially Oversoul.
-.-

-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I think I would like to be hydrating someone in the group {mm4, ricastle, p2, singer} and it's kind of a spectrum of me thinking they're town vs me thinking they will make good night choices if they are indeed town

-Pumbaa

pedit:

[Homiletic Homunculi]

@Ceph- So what you're telling me is, LLD didn't try to set up a coasting scheme in Mod Error early on, then suddenly retract and act like she was actually going to do things? No, your'e clearly right and your scumread on me makes totally perfect sense.

Here you go attributing more thought to scum than they actually put in. This is one of my biggest pet peeves. I can pretty much guarantee you LLD didn't do that intentionally. She probably believed she was going to do things when she wrote that. More importantly, you attacked Oversoul for something he had not yet done first of all, secondly I think he is a good enough player to not need to coast, thirdly I've found his posts to sound quite genuine, and most of all that point is so, so small that it's really sad how enormous that scumread apparently is for you.

@MS, most likely it's HH+the person HH is hydrating as a scumteam, and the other as town. The hydrated person is distancing while HH tries to advance his team.

Lol.

Okay so A) you think scum are utterly retarded and incapable of so much as level 2 play and B) boy you sure did a wonderful job of *completely forgetting about your scumread on us* when asked in a couple pages who is scum, that's definitely the action of someone with consistent opinions rather than someone who's decided to react belligerently to anyone who attacks them.

They don't to me! I don't love your posting & am leaning scum but reading you isn't that simple that you can say "it looks like this one game, instant scumbin."

in fact that is never true.

It still feels weird that you call me scum and then soft defend me from Titus trying to condense my meta into just survivor within 3 posts.

If you think I'm scum why does it matter to you where Titus gets that read from?

I do shit like this all the time.

If someone makes a shitty attack, I will call them out on it, even if I think they may be right for the wrong reasons. I do this because first of all, I'm not a horribly egotistical player and I always recognize that I could be wrong. I know that my abilities as a scumhunter historically approximate rolling dice (though I also think I'm improving lately), and as such I could be off base on you. And also, it's multiball, so shitty mudslinging can be scum-scum without being bussing which this clearly is not.

I've rebutted your argument in full axe so put up or shut up

Other stuff when I'm on less of a plane

Pickup in mid-post

Yes because it's clearly my fault you two kept refusing to give a readslist despite me asking time and time again? And I don't care to discuss things with ricastle.

pedit3-

I have already responded to this.

"There is no case on me!"
"I don't want to talk about ricastle's case on me!"

dude come on.

Definitely Not Case but Functions as a Good TL;DR 6:

I like Seiko as scum for writing big blocks without committing to anything.

That said, this is looking silly to me. You're just quoting every time anyone has expressed concern about seiko without even examining it for validity.

Wis I have seen you hard defend a townread before as town

this is nothing of that caliber

Is it unfair of me to want Wisdom to be Mod Error Wisdom? Like is that typical? I half-watched a scumgame of his at one point and it felt different to me but not in the same way that this game does.

i'm excusing you only on the account that you are posting from a phone


otherwise a TWIE-Seiko-Breakfast team looks pretty dandy right about now


later, bro

This isn't wheel of fortune, there is no point in trying to solve the puzzle on day 1 and you can't actually believe you can nail a whole team off the bat surely

Iso on breakfast shows a disproportionate amount of communication or reference to Seiko. I think it is more likely than not breakfast just outed themselves trying to save Seiko. It's a bit early to read such an aggressive and in my opinion poor/risky play but I'll stick with it for now.

Scum aren't automatically morons, please stop assuming they are. I don't understand why people make arguments at this point that would make sense if none of us had ever played mafia before but are otherwise basically wifom.

I see espychonegea is still scum

This game took a turn to stupidity. I don't understand the case on Seiko. All that's been done was ~ a light/non-existent case was built against him, he defends himself and gets accused of being overly defensive rather than progressing the game. If you're vt and you answer concerns about yourself in the thread, isn't that progressing the game? Obviously now it turned into a shit show, but holy shit, give the guy a break.

As town, what can he possibly do to get himself out of this situation? If you can't think of anything he can do and/or say to have your vote change, then why are you guys even pretending like you want something from him? You know you're not getting it.

I love how this wagon has Seiko questioning whether his play was obv town or not because from where I'm standing, it seems to be.

Also, (this is directed at everyone on the Seiko wagon) how is the case on Seiko different from the non-case on me? (Obviously, one very specific moron on that wagon has no business answering)

VOTE: riscastle

i can't help but feel like this came from someone who just read seiko raging in a PT

-Ceph

ps stop posting i'm so much better when i can play in real time

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Just because you got lucky once doesn't mean you get to have ego about it forever

I would currently call seiko my third strongest suspect

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I could vote them if it was just me but I obviously need to catch up with cheet before going anywhere at this point

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Holy crap, that is so cool

I wonder how my gameplay personality compares to my actual one, I bet I'm much less conscientious ingame

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Probably less agreeable too, but it's a mafia game after all, that is basically the point

[Homiletic Homunculi]

oh and i'll obviously be more extraverted! maybe my mafia persona is the opposite of my actual self, except I do retain the lack of confidence usually unless i'm projecting a front

sorry i'll fanboy more quietly now

[Homiletic Homunculi]

way to rudely lock the thread and interrupt me

as i was trying to say, i think the best use of whatever you're doing here, not that i know how long it would take, could be meta

-C

[Homiletic Homunculi]

but you don't even know if it would work, and it would be really neat to find out! do it for science!

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I feel like something potentially amazing is happening here and you all should be more excited about it than you are

what if we can actually use psychology to solve this game of psychology?

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Singer I tried that. People also ask for justification. Then they want to be convinced. It's rather annoying I agree.

you're going to have to develop the technology to transmit your brainwaves directly into our minds then, i dont think its going to happen particularly soon on its own

[Homiletic Homunculi]

You may need this

[Homiletic Homunculi]

why are they on the same team?

-ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I recognize this ZZZX. I've seen it before. I think.

Granted, I don't know what the alternative looks like, and therefore, my opinion isn't worth jack.

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Yeah, I've written most of our posts, but not the good ones

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I don't think replacing out there was particularly town.

Also, replacing out without saying anything in the thread about it always strikes me as strange.

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I don't think replacing out there was particularly town.

Also, replacing out without saying anything in the thread about it always strikes me as strange.

-Ceph

Just so we're clear

If you try to do anything to jessica slot

I will cut you

I'm just saying I don't think it merits townpoints, not that it does deserve scumpoints, and I think psyche is town from play, but I also think your position on this issue is silly

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

You know that scum marquis loves his scum induced hyperactivity

That was a town replace out

think its silly all you want

also I am calling a zzzx scumread on us btw

i do know that, but we dont know why he replaced out

[Homiletic Homunculi]

TWIE FOR FUCKS SAKE

if i reach page 30 without any scum hunt from you I will fucking vote you , call it policy or call it scum hunt, Stop trying to deflect to the issue of the gameplay. that seems like pure scum intent and even if it wasn't being in the thread and not trying is not an excuse, if you wana keep that better just fucking lurk and save me the calories i spend shouting at you. (p11)
also oversoul is towny.
Random is leaning scum only slightly.

i hate to break it to you but you might as well votepark him now

[Homiletic Homunculi]

dear twie

why do you do this to us

love ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

surely you must realize that youll be lynched day 3 if you continue down this road, that or attemptedcrosskilled.

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Lynched, maybe.

Nightkilled seems less likely.

does this not bother you

why did you sign up for this game

real question, i honestly want to know

[Homiletic Homunculi]

you used to be a decent player

what happened

[Homiletic Homunculi]

should i be worried about your psychological health

[Homiletic Homunculi]

i think you are intentionally missing the point of my question

[Homiletic Homunculi]

i tried my best to find the encoded answer in your pointless words

i dont think its there

are you lying to me? you wouldnt do that would you?

[Homiletic Homunculi]

would it really kill you to share them anyway so we know they are real and not made up

@ap: im annoyed that he isn't playing the game

i realize this conversation is pointless, im just irritated

[Homiletic Homunculi]

:/ I guess. HE isn;'t even the lowest post count in the game though. Randomdget at 4 posts? P2 and Mario at less than TWIE. His ISO reads like someone who is annoyed at Metal Sonic. I find this to be completely understandable and MS's posts wrt TWIE have been extremely egregious this game. If I were TWIE, I wouldn't be so collected!

it's a pattern, though.

this is not the only game wherein twie has sat on the sidelines and been intentionally useless while clearly following along.

and at least the other times he was funny.

Sorry, i'm struggling to find time to keep up with thus game and post.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: bacon eggs
This was a while back, but I feel their defense of Seiko was either desperately tryinng to defend a buddy or trying to gsin towncred if Seiko flips town. Also weird how zzzx comes in strongly townreading sonic after BROs starts to put pressure back onto him.

I've played with TWIE at least a couple times and I have never had any issues with him, so can we stop this horrifying backandforth?

I dont mind the guy but if he will just keep talking to sonic about that bullshit which pushes sonic to reply I will flip out.

I know sonic and he is the same kind of guy as I am in those cases, I cant shut up if I see bullshit.

Dont defend metal sonic. One of {TWIE, MS} is ruining this game and its not TWIE.

I agree fullheartedly with this post.

Aye

AFB, give us some solid reads please.

Pedit: We're lynching Seiko. Please hop on.

You can wait until I actually read the thread properly. I'm not going to cough up some half-assed bullshit because someone wants me to be in the game. Guess what: *I* want me to be in the game. Seiko is a townread though so no thanks.

p-edit: Uhhh, "Singer of all fucking people" is very specifically implying its weird that you are townreading SINGER, not that you are townreading only one person. I don't even. I want to call this moving the goal posts, but I just don't know. I do know that if singer flips scum, I'm going to be thrusting pitchforks in your direction over this.

p-p-edit: I think the NAA replace out and last few posts might be from town. Its enough that I don't want to keep my vote there at the moment. Mario Maniac's posts are largely self aware and I don't see anything really town in them after reading his ISO.

Well gee, we all think like you right? I expect through several pages of quarreling to have some people to look better through their thought process. Instead, it looks like everyone but Singer joined a muddy t-shirt contest. Singer is someone who until now, had not been town in the same game. Her reaction to the TWIE thing is my reaction frequently.

Later on, you make a post stating you understand why TWIE isn't producing context. Yet his fucking reasons are the same ones some argued I was scummy for. Particularly the day 1 reads are shit. When I see this repeated ignorance and hypocritical stances across multiple games it is very fucking unnerving.

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I was making fun of you, SB

[Homiletic Homunculi]

also this metaconversation about twie is even less useful than the original one

stahp

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Hey Ceph can you explain your stance on me

I currently think you are somewhat likely to be scum for reasons I and others have talked about. Even though a lot of Sonic's attacks on you are crap I don't like how you've handled them at all

"There is no case on me!"
"I don't want to talk about ricastle's case on me!"

dude come on.

I did.

I do not care to discuss things with ricastle, and still don't. That doesn't make me scum, that makes me ambivalent. And their case for me, being that I tried to get sonic boom to actually do things and was focused on that, doesn't actually seem like tere is anything to say. Like, how do you respond to that? Getting the spamfucks to do something with their spam is antitown? Okay, guess I'm scum.

And I don't really think the oversoul read is that big, but it's sad how you're making it out like I am and acting like that's a read scum-me would have.

You can't just completely handwave it right after you asked why you're scum. The correct response is to refute, though admittedly that is not very alignment indicative. I wasn't saying avoiding that made you scum (there is no particular motivation for it, but it seemed hypocritical).

We can add to the list of things I dislike this post, which features you saying I'm "making it out like X" as though I don't believe what I'm saying followed by promptly saying you don't feel strongly about me.

I don't know whether anything is a read scumyou would have or not, though. I haven't actually played with you that much, I'm not inside your head. Players here often expect others to know them better than they actually do. Not to mention, I have seen you get around people who do know you supposedly, so shrug?

High context vs low context

pedit-

I'm not really sure. I don't like his stance on me because he has seen me in the background in one of my better scumgames of late, and he just played in Mod Error with me. His scumread on us feels really strange. So, gun to my head a scumlean? But it's nothing I'm really confident in

Yeah, I saw you look really town on the surface in survivor, though i thought it was only skin deep with my admittedly cheaty knowledge. and in mod error, I saw townyou lurkaderp through the game and be a mouthpiece for mastin

how is any of that grounds for you expecting me to ~know how to read you~

[Homiletic Homunculi]

push it then

[Homiletic Homunculi]

@bacon&egg, you think Ricastle is scum because you think he was throwing fuel on the SeikoVSonic fire while not being on it? Or other reasons?

@Seiko

, has pie been posting at all since early on in the cycle?

I want Oversoul to start posting more.

-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

When I'm scum, I'm looking at a different sets of details but who I can manipulate and pull versus the actual substance of the post. A player being oblivious and obviously so is something I'll notice as either alignment.

Careless errors I won't as scum most likely, or I'll deliberately ignore them for towncred. However, such "careless" errors are what can expose scum.

Okay. So if you admit that you weren't really paying attention to me in S&V, why would you say that it seems like I'm playing differently? I'm not really sure I understand how you can question me on how you perceive how I play and then walk it back and say "oh man well I don't actually know how you play". Was it just you realizing that you haven't paid much attention to my play in the past or am I just misunderstanding what you're saying here?
Also, the bolded is hard to understand, can you clarify?

Looks like standard town-pie.

Eh. I'm giving pie a pass for ~reasons~ atm, but her play thus far does not strike me at all like what I expect from townPie. I want words on this from you.

@HH, What do you think about Seiko's hypocritical response about us not doing anything (bullshit) but letting TWIE coast? Your soft defenses of each other are getting to the point where I am tempted to start calling you guys a scumread but tbh one of you is probably whiteknighting.

I mean. If you think your play and TWIE's play are similar then I really don't know what to tell you? There's a pretty clear difference between filling the thread while doing nothing and just literally doing nothing. One can get easy townreads eg: "wow this person is too active to be scumz" without having to actually take any hard/well-thought out stances and the other will get easy nullreads/scumreads.
I don't really see where you're getting this softdefense stuff from either?

410 is a thing but every other post by Cheet/HH is better.

Woah.
What kind of a thing is 410?
Why is it a thing?
I feel like we haven't talked at all yet singer. Wasup? Where yo head at?
I also think Oversoul is off, but your vote has been sitting there forever and there's no fire behind the push there.
Why?

HH is town. (<3 Cheetory)

Singer.
Why are you just throwing things at me without engaging me? THIS ISN'T ENOUGH PARANOIA AND IT'S MAKING ME FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE.
-.-

@CaitSith

, I'm finding a lot of your play so far to be centered around your thoughts on how people are reading you.
Would you say that's accurate?

@MS, most likely it's HH+the person HH is hydrating as a scumteam, and the other as town. The hydrated person is distancing while HH tries to advance his team.

This feels like a weird thing to say while pushing other people who are outside of this group as scum. :/

Will try to catch up tomorrow. This week is super busy for me. q.q

-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I suspect the exact wording of what the name of the purple group are called will be a town tell, because I cannot see anywhere a sample role pm to tip off scum.

Something to keep in mind. I nearly threw it out there but I only have one vote on me, by a player that has voted about 27 other people along the way.

^good as confirmed town

You've also brought to attention what could be a useful one-time pseudo-investigation tool. Thanks for that!

AFB had better provide some content the next time he's here, or else.

Randomidget...fuck low-hanging fruit, he's, like, buried in the fucking dirt fruit. I'd like to know your other choices for lynch today, Mario, because whatever they are they're almost certainly better D1 options than someone who isn't even here yet.

If the scum don't have fakeclaims (which they do if alignment is tied to flavor (which it probably isn't since someone claimed to be Cabd (except I guess something about tridras so idk))), then the mod will probably just tell them this if they ask, which they've probably done now that this has been pointed out.

I can't stand your handwave of Generic, who by the way still replaced scum and also whose presence is not going to make me happy. I don't generally replace out from such situations, but if that was something I did I would quite likely do it.

Also, you're threatening AFB here for not having content while calling random low hanging fruit (which doesn't make him town incidentally)?

Ricastle is quite obviously scum.
Ric, why would you join a wagon that consisted of your number 2 scum read and sonic boom (Your ex scum read that went from town, to scum to town when he was at risk of getting lynched (must I mention my SB/Ric idea?))?
I also just realised that you broke SB's deal, yet neither of you made a notice of it.

The Seiko wagon is pure shit.
~wgeurts

It's multiball, who fucking cares who else is on a wagon day 1? I'm sure you've absolutely never voted with a scumread and always check vote counts to see who is voting a player before you add your vote to the pile. Who cares about a silly RVS 'deal'? But here this slot goes again. I'm actually a bit confused that this hasn't been run up yet.

But seriously,
Metal Sonic plans to make a deal with Ricastle with Titus, one that is risky as town. Ricastle then sells his vote, also risky if he were town. However they set the deal up in a way they can abandon it yet still hydrate ricastle without looking odd (while ricsatle was hording hydrates). Then Ric abandons the deal and SB makes no mention of it. He also pushes low hanging fruit: rune.
Out of the blue Ric then votes SB (distancing) until the wagon continues to grow where he simply quits and joins the seiko wagon (his reasoning for SB being town again were "I don't like the wagon"). To make matters worse his "top scum read" is on the seiko wagon along with metal sonic. Why as town would you join a wagon composed of your scum reads?
No, it looks like a counter-wagon.
~wgeurts

That's not risky.

It's one vote.

Pushing Rune is hardly scummy, especially during his "let's see what happens if I essentially claim scum" phase.

I won't criticize you for trying to solve the puzzle because I don't really care what you do as long as it hopefully involves being lynched.

Why would they keep quiet about a scumread when the pressure is on them and it would be favourable to direct said pressure elsewhere? And it's remarkable that you actually think someone you white-knight should be in your debt...that's such a conceited and warped way to view things. Also it's scummy as shit.

The way YOU view things is the one that is ridiculously scummy. A hypothetical ns-scum would grab my words and try to ride them in order to survive. I am Wisdom, my word counts, and ns knows it. He would in no fucking way express dislike at my defending him like he did. He does it because he is town and he genuinely worries that I might be scum. It's all about fucking motivation.

But go on, twist everything into a world where motivations don't matter and everyone is scumbuddies

you may have a point here actually, my only counterpoint is "lolmultiball" but attacking you did look like a great way to get lynched today in that situation.

The way YOU view things is the one that is ridiculously scummy. A hypothetical ns-scum would grab my words and try to ride them in order to survive. I am Wisdom, my word counts, and ns knows it. He would in no fucking way express dislike at my defending him like he did. He does it because he is town and he genuinely worries that I might be scum. It's all about fucking motivation.

But go on, twist everything into a world where motivations don't matter and everyone is scumbuddies

Oh look, another person conveniently forgetting this is multiball. Although it's fair enough in your case because if you acknowledged that your entire argument would fall apart leaving you exposed.

fake overconfidence noted

-Ceph

P.S. I have too many scumreads

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Hydrate: singer

Because I don't think there's enough support for p2

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Yes because Seiko is on an IC/Mason level of town, right? Dear me.

Sucking up to your WKing would NOT be the best thing for his image. That would just make him look desperate. But apparently you aren't seeing this because your posts are the word of God.

That's fine and dandy GIF but there was nothing necessarily town about Seiko's scumread. They could easily replicate their paranoid attitude as scum in a game where they are also out to hunt scum, as far as I see it. And if they use such an attitude to hunt scum then why wouldn't they?

[Homiletic Homunculi]

!!!

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I've never been called scum for posting a gif before. That's a new one.

[Homiletic Homunculi]

@HH, Now you oversimplify. I have been calling you scum well before your GiF posting.

You pointed at 1235 specifically. Keep throwing ambiguous mud in our general direction without making a single point about us, though!

@Bacon, Ego at not getting lynched bc scum won't bus and Titus wants it, so he can ML you. Towncred. Making your defender think you are more town because you attacked them. Remember you are still an underground scumread. Discrediting your other reads. I attack my defenders as scum frequently enough where I see no issue with that from NS/Pie.

Most people don't react to scumreads with townreads. Also, some of these things are basically mutually exclusive.

The fact is until they get onboard with the push to get TWIE active, I will scumread them.

This has got to be the most closed-minded statement in this game.

Their hypocritical "Sonic is doing nothing" while we were pushing TWIE and their awkward letting TWIE coast until Sonic and I posted they were buddies screams scum. Dumb town, which I am leaning that way on AP, do what he did. Their whole, TWIE won't give us info is utter shit too. Their meta about face as well.

Yeah, AP i such a dumb player, he is so known for that.

-

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Well as flattered as I am that at least two of you claim I masterminded my opening to sell being town, I hate to break it to you but I opened the game unsure what the hell my team name represented, opened the game with my options open and recently have been clarified its the town alignment and I'm good to just play this game loose and carefree. I care more about my scum game so the shackles are off...

what if i told you

i dont believe you

But sonic boom, as much as I would love to promise full catch ups, I'm not even sure if I'm gonna bother reading back until I have a reason to ISO someone. Like I did with whatshisname homunculi.... A vote on me always draws my eye, but it's a nothing vote so I lost interest reading all 600 posts they made... But then they decided to reaffirm a scum read on my without actually addressing me. Instead they spoke through an attack on someone else, a side conversation pretty much like I'm doing here now as I address you but seem to talk a lot about my opinion of them... Shady shit.

It's okay, I knew you were going to attack me the moment I saw you replace in, so I couldn't be less surprised that you're blatantly deciding to scumread me and then indeed doing so. I don't want to address you or interact with you, because

I have a fucking problem with you

, and I don't want you in the game, so I'm quite glad that you're in a scum slot. As to why I'm interacting now, it's because I'm easy to bait and suck at maturity.

You are welcome to speak directly to my humunculi... I will call you Hun for the time being to save me and my autocorrect. You think I'm scum because... My predecessor replaced out? You think you were that big of a deal with your one vote?

Obviously, it's because of his fucking actions while in the game, and this is a pretty obvious misrep of things you have not even read, so I'm almost surprised you tried to misrep them. All of your posts have also been awkward, but I'm not going to waste time arguing about that because I know exactly where that gets me.

I look forward to you trying to break me if you genuinely think that, but I actually think you are playing scum stubbornness. Allows you to tunnel and look committed. Shame you lost the last guy really, I only quit when I care

If you had read my posts, you would know that I am not tunneling your slot, and no one will agree that I have been, even people who suspect me. I'm sure your mudslinging here is not OMGUS based at all, since you have admittedly not read my posts.

[Homiletic Homunculi]

i have read post 1321 and chosen to ignore it. just a psa.

[Homiletic Homunculi]

ny 169, if you must know

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Hey.
Uh.
Can people stop talking about nothing?
Because I'm skimming the last like ten pages and I don't think anyone is talking about anything and it's fucking killing my urge to want to read this game.
Also, Titus, I asked you questions. I'd appreciate you responding to them. Y'know. Rather than just butting heads with Bacon&Egg over semantic bullshit.

-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

We are lynching your buddies since everyone with a brain that is not on hating whatever Titus posts thinks they are scum. Deal with it. I will engage scum on my terms, not theirs

All game you and Sonic have been avoiding meaningful interaction with me despite me reaching out multiple times now.
Instead you're just kind of lamely throwing a scumread at me for reasons that you're not talking about?
Are you hoping that by not interacting with me I won't be able to get a good read on you like in S&V?

-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

i'm not interested in talking about it, but i got into a bad place in that game. i don't feel the need to dredge any of it up. i will try to be a mature adult, im already embarrassed by having brought it up

[Homiletic Homunculi]

when have i not replied to you?

I asked you to elaborate on readstuff early in the game and you just kind of waved me away and said you didn't want to talk about reads which made it hard for me to feel anything about you. You're playing super close to the chest with some shit from what I can tell and I can't see any reason why you would want to be playing like that in a game like this.
Especially given that you guys have an absurd number of posts..

Sonic, he's referring to my refusal to engage in theorycraft with him because people want us to shut up.

That's not the reason why you refused to engage me though?
You said it was because I was scum?
You could engage me on literally so many things right now, but instead you're just kind of slinging shit at me and Ceph for reasons that you're not talking about?
I can't imagine why I would find that questionable.

I'm honestly surprised people are throwing townreads on the Genericslot just because he said things out of flavor.
The guy's been around since 2013 and seems at least self-aware.
I've seen scum do more ridiculous things to get easy townreads. I'd be curious as to who was scumreading his slot prior to replaceout and then flipped.
-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

you are the one trying to work with scum, so pretty sure it's not me who's dumb

~Wis

i know you best wissy <3

right now you're the one being dumb



psa: here is a fun read

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E ... ger_effect

you realize you are doing this right

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Please don't cause another replace out SB.

@G: No thanks. I have already made points against your predecessor and I know that I can't win an argument with you even when I'm right.

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

yeah but i have already delivered. a nice surprise on page 20.

so what is your gripe now? all my 'debts' are cleared as far as i know

Oh true you did post a readslist earlier.
I think I'm just feeling like you guys are being weirdly dodgy with interacting with me specifically. I want to get engaged into this game and it feels like you've both been doing a lot to make me feel isolated, and I admit it's honestly coming across as moreso from Titus's side than your's, but it's like.. I don't know I just feel like your slot has been avoiding me and it bugs me a lot from Titus because I can really easily see her trying to disenfranchise me if she was scum here.

But you haven't told me why I'm scum. All I'm getting is one of you hates me over one game over a year ago. You don't want to engage with me, your call, but you now need to sell a mislynch on me based on talking about me rather than to me. It's your funeral, but if you are trying to prove you aren't scum that just reeks of avoidance tactics.

Honestly I'm not really super on top of the read on your slot, so you're talking at the wrong head to engage for that.
I think the only thing that really stuck out to me was NAA's really hedgy read on Oversoul seeming like it could be plausibly coming from scum/scum interaction and that NAA's push for our slot felt kind of garbage/him on autopilot vs actually trying to scumhunt. I'm moreso just kind of following Ceph's lead atm because I'm not really invested in the game yet.
-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I literally gave you two reasons why I'm okay with the vote being on you.
Clearly I'm not just blaming it all on the other head, so that's just a gross misrep. :/

-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

well

this is going about exactly how i figured it would

i get misrepped a bunch, no one else notices or cares. sounds about right

[Homiletic Homunculi]

How is it? You clearly are handing ceph responsibility of my read, and you wualify your points aimed at a player not even here now with a 'but'.

Was I supposed to have a read on you specifically before you'd even done anything? Why is that even unreasonable?

All I'm getting from your hydra is a personal issue with me, which seems to have created ore emotive reaction than if you genuinely believed I was scum and you were responding from a town position... And the only head not hiding from direct conversation with me has referred my read to the head that is....

A) I'm not caught up on the game yet. I'm getting there.
B) The player you replaced gave me some bad vibes and I've elaborated on that.
C) I literally gave two reasons that I think your slot is kinda scummy and yet you're content just talking past me there and painting a picture rather than actually engaging what I'm saying. That feels a lot more like a player with an agenda than someone who actually is trying to sort through the game.

Simply reads like a hydra the no hoped they could steamroll a player for a mislynch

Wow yeah the way we've approached you so far just screams us trying really hard to get you lynched?

-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Oh Generic is town. I figured that out in like 15 seconds of reading Generic posts.

Are.
You kidding me? :/
-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

He entries with a 'townslip' and slings a ton of shit without actually trying to engage anything or read the thread and he's town?
How in the world are you reading him as town?
I'm not pretending I'm feeling strong here. But like. How do you get a strong townread off of that? That makes no sense q.q
-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Which reaction is strange?
You're just saying generic shit and throwing generic conclusions around generic nonspecific points about generic nonspecific posts.
Man I'm so clever.
-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Man fuck people talking past me this game.
When I ask you to quantify something, quantify it. Quantify which post you're talking about when you say "weird reaction" instead of just being like "OHOHOHOHOHOHOHOH" because literally that's all I'm seeing in this last post from you.

Strange outrage too, considering you just claimed to not be making a hard push on my wagon, you seem to care an awful lot.

I'm getting pissy because you're talking past me and that's one of my biggest pet peeves. I'm asking you specific things and you're responding with 'oh ur scum' and I want to know if it's because you're scum or if you're just an idiot.
Feel free to actually respond to questions or don't, piss me off and motivate me to make an actual case on you.

-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

If Sonic and Generic are scum I'm going to feel justified every time I feel like scum trying to make a shitty dodgy push on me.
-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I do agree with this tbh. It's hard to fish reads out of the whole Sonic vs Bacon and Egg situation going on, but this is a good catch.

Lol.
Of all the shitty things to agree with.
Why do you agree with this Mario? If you agree with it why aren't you voting me?

-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

If we're scum why would we need to apologize?
Wow you're so town.
Guys look how town Generic is.
Zzzzz.

Not hard since I referenced the points twice, but just so you don't start claiming a blood vendetta too, there you go.

You might have a point if I was trying to diehard argue you were scum in those posts. But I wasn't.
Course you don't really care about that, right?
-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I wouldn't need to apologize for Ceph not liking you.

Your reaction to the fact others are applying meta to actually figure me out

Who's applying meta to you? Are you ordinarily an ass who talks past people as town and changes the subject every other post?

-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

What even are you pointing out?
That Ceph thought your previous slot was scummy and that he thinks you're an ass?
Because from how you've been talking with me so far I can't really blame him for thinking that.
That I'm becoming engaged now that I have something that's irking me?
I gave reasons for your slot being scummy and you continually posture that I've said nothing and you continue to act like I'm not making any kind of point while you sidestep everything I say to posture.
Like how in the fuck are you expecting people to believe you're coming from a legitimate place here?

I've seen 'townslips' like the one you made [especially with the obvious intentionality of it] coming from scum a lot more often than you see it coming from town. Town townslips almost always come across like an accident vs intentional. I think you came into the game knowing that there was some pressure on you so you tried to ease it off.

Then you just kind of talked past me and Ceph. Slung shit. Postured like you knew better and now I think you think you can just park here and try to hide behind this argument.
Well, I'm not going to fall for it.
You're prodding me and trying to get a rise out of me by being dodgy and posture-y and I know it's most likely because you want to hide behind it.
I'm gonna make a case.
I have nothing more to gain by talking with you.

People can see you panicking, and they can see you are basically without any argument.

Yeah all the votes are just flocking in.
Lol.

-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

on the other hand, I think thats the literal only time he mentioned wanting to be hydrated from memory.

There are a couple things that can be happening here.

-Goes for the hydrate because it's a power; scumbuddies point out the problem; drops it
-Realizes that hydrating is a plurality, so hydrate votes in the first 20 pages are basically irrelevant

I'm still tweaking out about his page 5 "gambit" too

Your attitude in your push against Ceph

I guess you weren't in 169.

It's exactly the same.

Two-player-wagons at the last VC?
Weird.

Checking this and my heads too.

–Ane

Just one time it would be refreshing to see a post from you that I didn't want to lynch.

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

@AFB if you're isoing ricastle, there are a few places where his posts are better read in context. Specifically, I took issue with his more recent posting during the seiko/sonic stuff, I think.

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I did miss you!

Don't worry, I was townreading Ricastle on page 10 too! And he's only recently cracked my top 3 scumbutts.

It took me a moment to figure out how that was a townslip, but I can see wanting a PT that isn't your scum thread hypothetically. DV and I kept a separate topic in Tales where we pretended to be town.

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I guess you probably wouldn't post about it in that case though.

[Homiletic Homunculi]

That's also how mislynches happen.

Can anyone else tell me how tunnelling someone while refusing to neither back up your torn down case against them or even modify your read is town motivated?

This reminds me of my frustration with mastin in xenogears (hint: I was scum).

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

So why are you panicking?

And nor am I inclined to ignore your attempts to divert my focus, handwave the read and react oddly when I pick holes in your read on them.

But it's posts like that wisdom that makes me think you aren't scum.

This progression looks pretty fake to me.
I'd ask Generic to explain, but he'd probably just sidestep and call me scum and then talk about something unrelated.

And personally insulting me will be requiring the apology. I can wait til endgame for that one.

I call 'em like I see 'em.
If you're expecting an apology you're going to be disappointed.

singer why are you not reading the thread?

Isn't she VLA?

@B&E

, can you please like.. give me some kind of brief reason why you think Generic isn't scum? Do you have some kind of meta experience with him and he just like.. always plays like he's JFC talking to a crowd rather than actually trying to find scum?

-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Doing what she is doing is just telling me she is trying to make it look like she is here, much like randomidget.

I'm not really liking singer much right now, but I feel like someone being uninformed on things while being VLA is pretty shrugs to me. I know that I can be pretty uninformed on things even when I am around. >.<

He is town because the way he slipped his lack of knowledge about multiball was natural and I can't see scum handling it like this.

Wait why would scum-him immediately know it was multiball? Not really sure I understand that point.

-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

"I'm going to prove his point by ignoring the actual substance of what he was saying to sidestep yet again to posture and use buzzwords like misrep where they don't even apply!"
I'm counting to ten.
Deep breaths.
Zen.
...

You replace in a 17p and are told you have 2 scumbuddies. Don't you figure it's multiball? Don't you at least go looking in the scumthread for answers? Even if scum don't have daytalk it's a topic that surely came up in pre-game talk.

Can you at least do me a favour and not townbin him for this all game?
If he's being scummy as fuck and you excuse him based on this past D2 and everyone excuses him based on this I'll be pissed off postgame.
I'm not going to waste my time pushing him because he has these wonderful 'towntells' that everyone is going to hold onto for the next little while. I just want you to know that this isn't a convincing argument to me for him being town and the manner in which he entered this game should make it clear why I feel that way.

Ceph is indicating he is scumreading Ricastle. Your vote should be there.

My biggest hesitation with seeing Ricastle as scum is that the manner in which he entered the game would be super unorthodox for scum to be taking atm.
Like.
Why does he ask to be hydrated and why does he immediately push for a mass flavour claim? Is he going tryhard to seem like he's town?

-Cheet.

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Talking with Ceph.

-Goes for the hydrate because it's a power; scumbuddies point out the problem; drops it
-Realizes that hydrating is a plurality, so hydrate votes in the first 20 pages are basically irrelevant

Okay. I can get behind this reasoning.

I can't stand your handwave of Generic

Yepyepyepyep.

Ooo and there's kind of an awkward defense of Axe in there too and he attacks Rune largely based on that push. Potential chainsaw? c:

Ceph, it doesen't really matter anymore, but my original post was a gambit to get hydrated.

I agree with Ceph in that this feels like overjustification on Ricastle's end.

Sure.
VOTE: Ricastle

-Cheet.

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I need a votecount.
Also, I have profiles on everyone now. No work done to translate that info into something useful yet.

I would love to see mine whenever it no longer needs to be kept under wraps.

@Mod: please replace us

Wisdom, please dont ever join a game Im in again.

If I stay in this game Im going to get modkilled for telling you exactly what your parents never had the courage to tell you.

Don't leave me, swallow your pride and bite your tongue like I am by not quoting & raging at each generic post since the last time I posted.

God, this game is the worst. I joined for the player list and half of it is gone.

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

On topic, I guess, TWIE seems reasonably town since he started even slightly trying.

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I want AP to come back and then I want this day to end.

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I would probably become sad, but not angry.

However, I realize that is a me thing and not an actual point.

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

p2 that's no way to find scum. Most of these things if not all depend on character traits, not alignments.

~Wis

They depend in part on character traits, sure, but I've already found considerable variance on all those measures between posts by the same people.
It's in fact one of the most basic facts in psychology that behavior is a function of more than one's

personality

.

Ooh, ooh! He's talking about environment and the interactions between those two things guys! I took this class!

@Wisdom: That's why I think the best objective use of this would be meta. But I could imagine it being somewhat useful, I can see how scum motivation might fit into some of these factors. Which I'm going to make a separate post about.

I could lynch random btw but I'm not going to be super excited about it. He could be scum and could just as easily be zero charisma town IMO.

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

If I didn't write it down, I think it's not alignment relevant or too tangled up in individual characteristics to determine anything.

Openness

- this seems obviously town to me, barring playstyle issues & philosophies about keeping things close to the chest as town
Adventurousness - town
Authority-challenging - I feel like this could be meaningful but it's hard to figure out how. It might depend too much on context.

Conscientiousness

- on the whole I think this is probably a pretty person to person kind of thing. some people keep up with their shit and others don't pay that much attention.
Cautiousness - for obvious reasons, this could be scummy
Self-discipline - I want to say town

Extraversion

- irrelevant
Cheerfulness - could indicate preferred alignment

Agreeableness

- I have an easy time seeing this as a scum marker but I can wrap my head around the opposite too. Also very personality dependent (obviously all these things are personality dependent, but I mean that in the sense of how likely it is to bleed into a mafia game. I am not sure if that makes sense.)
Cooperation - town??? maybe not
Uncompromising -

wisdom tell

it could be scummy from a "sticky reads" perspective, but could be town from a sincerity perspective. Bleh.
Trust - should be scummish, but mafiascum is a weird place.

Emotional range

- having one is town
Self-consciousness - scummy in general (though i for instance will always score high here probably)
Susceptible to stress - scummy??

This was a fun exercise and I don't know if it was useful.

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

my gut keeps telling me that epsychoncheage is scum

My gut and head are both in agreement on this point

It seems pretty obvious to me

[Homiletic Homunculi]

to add to my laundry list of problems with them, they haven't even commented on my potshots at them

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Cephrir - Have you had no issues with me so far this game?

I'm an egotistical fuck sometimes so I skipped to the part that was addressed to me!

I actually was going to mention today that I was concerned about your lack of posting, but then I remembered that I know that you are busy.

Your actual posting, up to this post at least which I have not yet fully read, has made basically no impression on me (which given that it's you I see as a bad sign) and I've been semi-consciously inching you towards scum because of your absence even though maybe that's not particularly fair. On the other hand I'm cognizant that I already have a lot of scumreads.

Hopefully you will start looking town to me now that you're seemingly in the game.

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

There isn't anything in this post that makes me feel good about myself

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I do like to feign arrogance, which I do in all of my games.

Horseshit

This is basically a scumclaim to me

We are scum/b]

Yes, I already knew that

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I haven't, and I'm not going to.

[Homiletic Homunculi]

If you really, really desperately want me to read something, and it had better be a post or two and not a whole game, link it.

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I'm not totally comfortable with it being seiko, but fine, I guess.

Hydrate: p2

[Homiletic Homunculi]

How the fuck do you feel justified handwaving a point about my meta when you don't even know my fucking meta?

This is unbelievable.

I make points about my meta sometimes

No one really cares

And I do it as scum too

*shrug*

More importantly, I'm not trawling through all your games looking for evidence that you pretend to be arrogant sometimes.

If you want to go find a post where you specifically say "I frequently fake confidence as town," you can do that, and if you can I will concede that maybe you are just the kind of player I can't stand, but I will still be scumreading you, so I wouldn't waste your time

[Homiletic Homunculi]

My hydration priority is to find someone I feel is town who is unlikely to be killed & also who I think would not make a completely awful decision.

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I don't think that's necessarily true. It's multiball, so each team could theoretically WIFOM it.

There is still a part of me that feels Sonic are manufacturing their treatment of singer.

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I can also definitely imagine a team thinking they have better things to do than shoot the PR. For instance, if we suppose one of your scumteams is completely right Wisdom, they could easily decide shooting you is more important

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I wouldn't go that far but he did start playing

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

[Homiletic Homunculi]

[Homiletic Homunculi]

[Homiletic Homunculi]

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I've been tabling them till tomorrow on the assumption no one will listen to me right now.

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

you asked me a question about the way I was reading the game based on how people were reading me. I answered and asked you what you thought that meant for my alignment/me and what Cephrir also thought that meant, but you didn't respond.

Sorry, this game has been a little more fast-paced at times than what I would like atm and I think I must have missed your response in the first place.

This is a weird question though. Why are you asking me if it's accurate. I think I've said several times that I'm in self-absorbed mode in which I've only answered things directed to me or about me.

From a light skim of what you'd posted it reminded me of like.. a weird variation on how you'd been playing in S&V, in that your responses there seemed very self-centered, though less-so when I understood the context of the conversations you'd been having in that game. In that game you were self-centered because you were using it to prove a point or to illustrate why you thought someone was scummy. Here it just kind of seemed fillery and it was irking me a little.

I asked in the first place because:
i) I didn't have any kind of read on you yet besides an "uh why is tammy not being obvtown?"-wariness and those kind of interactions from you seemed empty at the time.
ii) I was curious as to whether you would agree/disagree with me saying that and whether you would get defensive about it in an "I am not being self-centered!" kind of manner.
iii) I figured it'd be a decent place to start engaging you on something I was somewhat curious about.

I like your last wall, but I certainly don't think it's anything that's outside the realm of possibility for someone like you to fake as scum, especially in this game.
I would prefer if we could talk things out in a more meaningful way than we have so far, but I guess that's what I get for not being here to follow up on things quicker and for not asking more questions.

What do you, and your other head cuz that would be interesting, think it says about me?

Well, it certainly was a good way for me to not be able to form any kind of read on you at the time, as that was my only line of questioning that I thought would be useful.

What's the logic behind the randomidget vote? PoE?
What do you make of Generic thus far?

-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

WHERE did I chainsaw for Axe???

Right before you started voting for Rune, he was calling Axe obvscum.
Immediately afterwards you awkwardly voted him.
You even drew attention to his read on Axe, tried to make it look bad and then said that his criticisms of your vote were equivalent to your criticisms of his vote.
And then you just drop the vote out of no where and move on.
It really does kind of feel like it could be an awkward chainsaw and you being oblivious of how you defended Axe/pushed Rune there doesn't make me feel better about it. >.>
[though I admit this is kinda weak and I feel like there are much much better reasons being talked about that you're ignoring in favour of trying to poke holes in things that aren't a big deal so hey that's another point for you being scum! woo!]

I pushed Rune because he was intentionally trolling and being difficult for no real reason, using his flavour as the only excuse, when he wasn't actually willing to flavourclaim because he "didn't care about it".

Wait, why exactly were you trying to get people to flavourclaim then?

Why did you vote B&E in 1345?

In other news, I swear to God if Ceph comes back and tells me his read on Ricastle has changed I'm going to flip a desk. -.-
-Cheetory6

[I almost just signed my real name q.q holy shit I'm tired]

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Don't worry, it hasn't

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Someone I actually like! Amazing! I'm sure he'll replace out in 10 pages because I don't get to have nice things this game.

Also, I think twie actually has given some reads at this point so I don't know why people are still saying he hasn't

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I'm still here.

I'm just apathetic and more inclined to post more bunny suicides than play mafia because that's how I feel about this thread.

I really want this day to end and will happily vote Ricastle/Espy/maybe someone else until that happens.

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I'm gonna try my darndest to give this game the love it deserves tomorrow.
-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I'm gonna try my darndest to give this game the love it deserves tomorrow.
-Cheet

So none?

I will look at singer as I haven't really taken them in yet, but is there any other candidate away from the main two currently that we can all agree is scummy? At all?

espy.

I think singer's play for the last ten pages or whatever is very weird. I don't have an amazing picture of her play but I wasn't expecting to see borderline trolling.

I'm amazed anyone can look at the composition of the TWIE wagon and still want to be on it

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

[Homiletic Homunculi]

So none?

AYOOOOOO.
ILU ceph but this isn't even close to being the worst game. Give the hatred a few more days to bubble up and we'll see though
Being lazy and just responding to things for now.
I kind of want to ISOdive Esphydra, Oversoul and maybe one of B/E or Sonic if I have enough mental fortitude. q.q

HH is a positive presence in this thread.

HH, just to let you know, someone appreciates you.

I'm just going to assume that this is meant to be buddying of Cephrir so he can be paranoid about it in my place. c:

1) I haven't been obvtown because I've been busy which has kept me on the back end of things and less invested than I usually am. There's a certain ebb and flow to my games in which the games I start out hard and obvtown early I fizzle the next day or two. I'm just having a slow start. Tone game is moving faster than I'm able to keep up right now, but that just means if I'm alive come day two or three, I'll start to shine.

Pardon me if I'm kind of hoping you get nightkilled before D4
Fair enough on the pace of the game being too fast. I'm just telling you that if this is the best I see from you by D3 and I'm still alive, I'm going to be raising my eyebrow at you reallllly hard.

2). Right, but what did my reaction tell you about me?

Which reaction are you referring to here?

I voted random midget because I have fewer reasons to think he's town than the other wagons. I don't really have any great scum reads at the moment

Is there anything in his ISO that's particularly standing out to you as an awkward or scummy post? Or is it just kind of an overall feel of "he's not as town as other people"?
What about Generic comes across as town? Can you articulate that?

The precedent for each was quite clear and had nothing to do with Axe.

Lol. It's pretty great that you're implying that scum explicitly chainsaws people. Like "GRRR GET AWAY FROM MY SCUMBUDDY!"
Tbf thinking about this more and considering your reaction, I think I may have just been seeing connections with Axe that I wanted to find rather than what was most plausible.

Colossal misrep

. I asked Rune why he had Axe as scum for pushing him based on his trolling and me as probtown for doing the same thing; that's got noting to do with votes!

I'll go back and see if this is true.
I have to say that you calling this the bolded rather than just a potential misunderstanding seems pretty jumpy and seems out of place for you having a townread on Ceph and I. Why the weird discrepancy?

It should be clear by reading the exchange. He was completely bullshitting and still is.

Gonna need to be more articulate than that if you want me to take you seriously when you complain about people scumreading you for no reason.

-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I'm not as sure as I have been in the past on him, I really like having the benefit of early day 1 where he is concerned, but I think Bert is town.

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

VOTE: Mario

Whatever

Also, I'm just going to leave my hydrate vote parked where it is because I'm not in love with either choice, though I wonder if we would be down to compromise on hydrating p2 or Bert

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I would probably be more concerned with you if I had less scumreads (which apparently isn't going to fix itself since we aren't lynching any of them for some reason) and if I didn't fully expect you to be nightkilled before long!

But in particular getting upset about your lack of presence right now would be silly and unfair and I'm perfectly fine with waiting and seeing.

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

for what it's worth scum

you should probably be trying to crosskill tonight

especially since this mess of a town will probably never get its shit together

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I feel that whoever suggested this wagon has a higher than average probability of being scum with randomidget

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

[Homiletic Homunculi]

We were discussing things Cephrir should have told him sometimes.

Whatever this is,

A) We talk but not constantly/about every tiny little thing, there are no leashes here
B) Whatever it is is probably much less important to me than it is to you

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

When looking for scum in multiball, I would expect a busser

also, this makes no sense

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I don't see them doing anything useful but rather just anatoginizing everyone. They put a lot of things down, but providing nothing to replace it.

also also also

for someone who likes to bring up meta, you don't seem to have a basic grasp on me.

pedit: allow me to answer your question with a VOTE: Ricastle

But if you don't know who I think is scum I can only deduce that you do not in fact read my posts

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Actually Cephrir, I have a better grasp on you than most. Remember Depraved Justice. Yeah, that was me scumreading you. I don't recall being wrong about you much at all when we play.

I don't remember why you scumread me there, so I don't know if I think you were lucky or not.

There is a lack of drive in your posts. Like you are going through motions more so than anything.

There's been a lack of drive in my recent posts because this day has been too long and this thread is too cluttered with ego stroking and pointless bickering. However, sitting on the sidelines jumping in when I think I see something scummy is not abnormal early game play for me, especially when deprived of the players that usually anchor me in my better town games. When I don't feel the playerlist is likely to give much credence to my opinion, I settle back into my natural low impact persona.

Certain posts where you say "this town" cannot get its act together only heighten my scumread as they suggest you don't feel like you are part of the town.

Next you'll start talking about psychobabble.

I don't see any particular obstacle to that phrasing, though. I mean, it's like complaining about "this team" in a league of legends game. As much as I might wish I was not on the team, I am unable to switch.

-Ceph

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Certain posts where you say "this town" cannot get its act together only heighten my scumread as they suggest you don't feel like you are part of the town.

Actually that sort of thing gives me the opposite impression.

For instance, in League of Legends its

extremely

common for people to say things like "This team is <expletive deleted>" when referring to their own team. They distance from the team because they dislike what their team is doing.

lol, i show read preview posts

[Homiletic Homunculi]

should*

i should also preview my own posts

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I mean, it's like complaining about "this team" in a league of legends game

Are you me?

Sometimes, possibly

[Homiletic Homunculi]

FTR, I expect Ricastle to flip town but I'm going to be voting him in all probability.

How on earth Espsy-thing survived Today is a mystery.

I decided this day was too loud to make a meaningful push on them, but I will be back with a vengeance hopefully.

[Homiletic Homunculi]

[Homiletic Homunculi]

my act is together

everyone else's is not

pretty simple really

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Ohboy!
-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I'm feeling the energy atm!
Someone ask me something!

P-Edit:

i think the people complaining about nobody dying are scum


town love no kills

I like flips though.
-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I'm reading things, but like, Esphydrawhatever needs votes.

Ricastle, if we all hydrate ourselves nobody will ever get hydrated. Your reasoning is flawed and you should rethink that tell. However I agree it's a useful start for the time being.

This is the fakest looking thing ever.
VOTE: Esp

I'm also feeling pretty awful about Generic still atm. I think it's real convenient that he fell off the face of the earth after he couldn't reasonably hide behind us arguing with him anymore -.-

Oversoul's also kind of awful and should either replace or start talking more because I also want him to eat rope really badly.

Guys. I'm mad that I was okay with Ricastle lynch.

P-Edit:

Biggest townreads are HH, AFB, Espyacheage, p2

I agree a lot alot alot on AFB and p2 townreads.
We're gonna probably fight on Espread once I finish ISOdiving him though.

-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

NAA is town by the way, I find myself agreeing and recognising his thoughts.

Why are any of these reasons for him being town?

Cheet, oversoul is town as hell what are you doing?
Anyway, await more soon.

Awkwardddddddddddddddd.
>:c
Why is anything Oversoul has done town? At all? Ever?
This read is bad. And you defending him is bad.
Defend this defense.

Sonic is town, but admitting not being able to read Titus?
Singer is nulltown, however "Uh. I wanna say town but I feel like that's more bias from TeamMafia than it is an actual townread. The one thing that gives me townvibes here are her questions to the mod, which I feel could have been done in private if she was scum. But I don't know how much water this holds."? Asking questions in public is a thing that many do as scum.
TWIE is null-scum because of OMGUS-ing Sonic... whereas Sonic is on the townlist.
N'Axe is null-scum because of focus-ing on Rune, even if you don't know him and it could be a town-behavior too?
Hadn't the Rune-alt topic been discussed by that post?
Your read on us... you didn't like anything but you mentioned only one of the heads. Is that enough for calling us a strong read in a large?
Cat Sídhe... yet again, enough for a scumread, but "I don't know what Mala has posted (I assume just the vague singer/Titus townreads), but I don't see anything town there either."

Hedgy reads. All of them.
No hard stances.
Every townread is painted with "but they could be scum so iuno c:"-rhetoric and every scumread is null.
Not necessarily hardcore scummy, but like damn these reads are safe.

Ricastle, 611 Those reads gave me a MissMarple-positive on town. I remember scumreading someone similar and I was wrong.
UNVOTE:

Why would you not vote someone new here instead of just pulling the vote and then sitting on nothing?

Sonic, the offer to wagon TWIE still good?

"hey guys i wanna test the waters before i actually vote will i look bad if i vote for TWIE?"

I really dislike that the read on randomidget gets dropped entirely. I'm not exactly sure what about it is striking me, but I think it's mostly that it seems like wgeurts postured really hard about that read being really confident and then he let it go for literally no reason and then nobody in the hydra ever talked about him again.

That's all, need to discuss with my other heads.

Not voting either yet, however I want this possible associative to be here for if one of them flips scum this game.

I feel like they're hiding behind hydra dissonance as an excuse to not take stances on things. There's no vote for too long in this ISO. [300 posts in-gametime]

I don't.. hate the vote on Ricastle. I think I would be stretching if I picked at anything in that post.

No, it looks like a counter-wagon.

So you thought that SonicBoom and Ricastle were scum together? Why?

The votes on TWIE and Bacon feel grossssss. Especially disliking this dissonance from only a few posts before those votes got dropped:

I find myself agreeing with Bacon and Egg.
They can be town.

Finding myself frustrated that they're probably going to excuse it on hydra dissonance. -.-

Oh fuck off they were posturing super hard about Ricastle being scum and never ended up being on the wagon.
I think this is the biggest point for them being scum. I think they were trying to dodge past VCA while genuinely believing that Ricastle might flip scum. It's the best of both worlds. If he flips town they don't show up on the votecount. If he flips scum then they get to hold their push for him up as a defense.

-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

@Cheetory...I'm sorry I couldn't really engage with you much. Catching up I didn't really see much I fought you on other than Espy which isn't really something we could engage in at the time anyway. I'll be around tonight if you have any holes to poke in my observations, though. I'd definitely like to hear how you feel their play is scum motivated, though.

S'all good.
You better not hold me at arm's length today though. A fancy catchup post written over the course of the night in itself makes me a little wary of you potentially trying to obvtown >.>
I intend on trying to absorb everything you're saying when second round of caffeine hits me.

-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

although somehow Cheet's recent case on them made me feel icky

but.
I like my case.

Hydrate: TWIE

-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

That's actually pretty bullshit. I talked about a lot of stuff in there and you dismissing it all in a single word is frustrating. -.-
What exactly about it is 'icky'?

-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I'm sorry everyone I promise I will get back then

If you keep lurking once you're back from this, I'm going to see you lynched.
I promise.
-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Zzzzzzz.

You float in and out not really progressing anything.

Lol. Okay.

I have had twie, oversoul and randommidget on my scum list for a while now, and I will endeavour to read esp when I can be bothered... But beyond that I have nothing more to add except wisdom feels like an ironic name at present.

Care to vote or push for literally any of them since you're clearly here?

You've been incorrectly scum reading me for what the entire game? How come you only make a case NOW? Where was it last day phase?

Do I look like Ceph to you?

I mean I don't really care, I just wanted to poke at your confirmation bias by making your case well after you scum read my slot

Lol. This is literally the worst thing. "I don't care but I clearly do because this is the only thing I'm taking time to respond to." Are you that desperate to sling shit at me without actually addressing anything I've said that you have to pretend like I'm not a big deal?

Two of the things you commented on were him calling NAA and Breakfast town because they agreed with their thought. You basically just stated that was scummy of them, but....townies townread people for that shit all the time? Its pretty much a null thing to do and you poking at it was ~weird~. Did Ceph agree with all of those points?

I don't think I said that was scummy of him? I asked him why.
Ceph just told me he agreed that Espe was scummy based on tone and told me to go for it. We're not proofing each other.

Hedgy reads is something *I* take a lot of flak for as town (like I'd say my reads have been pretty hedgy in this very game, for instance?). I find that to be more of a playstyle thing than anything and I'm certainly not going to figure out which head posted what and dissect their meta unless I ever decide I need a PhD thesis for mafia, but overall I don't see the reads list you commented on to be scummy at all. Also I think reads being whishy0washy is less likely to be an explicitly scummy thing (if it is at all) in multiball since scum are actually trying to find scum. Unless you think they are talking about a buddy, but you just kinda dismissed the whole thing as a scummy hedgy list which I'm not seeing.

I did say that this wasn't hardcore scummy. Do you disagree that the reads could be coming from a place of "I don't want to make waves right now"? Because that's what I was trying to get at.

Positing that RickyCastle was scum w/o joining the wagon is notable, but your conclusion that they were being blatantly scummy by trying to avoid VCA is silly- I find it next to impossible that they are scum and actually thought to do something so marginal in a coordinated why. And if they think hes scum, why not just vote him and get cred for the flip? You explained it, but I'm really not seeing it and

in fact if Ricky DID flip scum, them being off the wagon but calling him scummy would look HORRID for them which you don't address

.

If Sonic isn't on a team with them, I could see their slot being worried about getting caught up by someone who they know does VCA.
On the bolded, I agree, but do you think they would have agreed at the time?
-Cheet

[Homiletic Homunculi]

Do I look like Ceph to you?

[Homiletic Homunculi]

I'm going to respond to Espe.
And then I'm going to count to ten.
And then hopefully I won't want to fucking tear my hair out.
Hopefully.
Maybe.
Fucking jesus christ.

This is a read you share right? You have no insight as to why you weren't pushing me hard yesterday if I am your top scumread?

Alright. Let me just paint a lovely picture for you.
Once upon a time there was a lovely world called Day One! A land in which Cheetory6 was not particularly reading much of what Espwhatever was saying!
Cheetory6 felt pretty good about his scumreads on Ricastle, Generic and Oversoul and was much more focused on them!
Upon Ricastle turning out to be a townguy and thinking about whether or not Generic might be a GenerallyAwfulPerson in general, Cheetory6 went to his dear friend Cephrir and asked him a query:
"Oh Cephrir, who doth thou thinketh to be scum?"
And Cephrir replied by saying "fuck that Espewhatever fellow!"
And I said "Oh? Let me look at his face."
And then Cheetory6 did goeth into the ISOdive, finding himself struggling to focus during the evening.
He resolved to take a better look during the following day and oh! did he ever!
/now that we've answered that really important question, feel free to say anything at all about anything I've said about you.

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So you attack me with a total misrep, don't acknowledge the response to that and then demand I make a vote on one of my sci reads?

How am I misrepping you? Do tell.