Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[vezokpiraka]

oh

we don't get to vote for a boon unless we choose someone for the bane

reading is tech I guess

Bane: Zar

I think you're trying too hard.

bane gamagoeey

choose one

I think the first choice is much better than the second choice. The second choice is in case scum use both their kills on the same target or something like that while the first one can give us information if a kill is protected. Imagine how unlikely are scum to use a kill on the same person with the same sign match.

mod: Does the choice remain in effect until the end of the game or until the start of the next minor day?

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@ffery: if you would have two kills, would you shoot the same person twice with the exact signs, or mutiple people or different signs on the same person?

[vezokpiraka]

. Given how townsided most of the open setups can be, I bet practically no one preferred scum.

Do you think this set-up is particularly townsided?

Too early to tell.

So you think people spent their tokens on other games and didn't have anything else to spend here?

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I'm getting scummy vibes from tammy. It might be jsut her excitement, but something is weird.

People should follow marquis and bane gg.

[vezokpiraka]

Why did multiple people ask of I'm scum?
Are you trying to soflty push a mislynch on me or something?
I'm town.

[vezokpiraka]

I'm not really against my baning, but I would strongly prefer baning someone else. Everyone knowing my sign isn't exactly good.

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@ffery: You think I conspired with bulba and decided he will bus me like hell? Or are you saying those people are scummy individually?
Also I kinda want to see a readlist in which you strongly believe because you are a great town player and will be gone tomorrow.

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@ffery: You think I conspired with bulba and decided he will bus me like hell? Or are you saying those people are scummy individually?
Also I kinda want to see a readlist in which you strongly believe because you are a great town player and will be gone tomorrow.

I don't generally teamhunt on day 1. I mostly townhunt/PoE, which I kinda think you know about me by now.

I threw my current thoughts out there to generate discussion and data for further analysis.

You aren't alone this game. Also you are confirmed town and you'll die tomorrow. I kinda want to hear what you have to say because you're a good player and you also have a team to help you.

[vezokpiraka]

hihi

marquis baneing me I think is a little mediocre but considering that I baned him for literally no reason (not even gut this time, I just wanted to bane someone for something that would look like not-RVS to get people out of that mindset even though it basically still was) I can't reaaally hate on him for it

Thinking UT is scum for being generally aggressive and catty is super dumb because that is just UT as a person

I will actually read things and maaaybe even have opinions tonight
definitely maybe

How can you read this and not immediately want to burn this at the stake? Seriously.

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I am 90% sure empire is town. If people want to wagon him they need to bring damn good reasons.

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I'm telling you empire is town. You can think I'm wrong, but that won't change facts.

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THIS IS TOWN EMPIRE.

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@tammy: What do you think of shadoweh?

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I'm getting scummy vibes from tammy. It might be jsut her excitement, but something is weird.

I know this is from a while back, but vezok, can you talk about why you were getting scummy vibes from tammy and whether you still are?
Can you also possibly elaborate a little more on why you're townreading Empire?

I'm not sure I can put it into words. I've played some games with tammy and she's more reserved as town. I'm not sure if reserved is the right adjective. At the beginning she seemed way too excited. The read changed to null right now though.

As for Empire: No.

[vezokpiraka]

Metal sonic told me I should go ape shit at you when you don't listen that Empire is town.

But I won't cause I'm in a good mood right now.

[vezokpiraka]

(5) Empire: Bulbazak, Titus, GuyInFreezer, Marquis, Untrod Tripod (Tammy) [L-5]

I think one of these is scum. I'm not sure who though.

[vezokpiraka]

I feel much better about gg after his lasts few posts.

unbane
bane bulbazak

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I don't post a lot of content because I'm not really good at explaining my gut.

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@mastin: easy to read, but you misread me a bunch of times.

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mod

: Can we boon ffery?

That boon is dangerous in scum hands. It's also pretty useless if a VT gets it. I wish we had another boon.

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Whoever gets the boon is going to be a target for Mafia.

So I think everyone needs to unvote. And then everyone needs to vote if they are ok with being booned. It spreads confusion for mafia over who is a PR and it also gives mafia wifom over if it is actually a good idea to go after whoever gets booned.

I don't want to see any votes on someone that hasn't said they are ok with being booned.

Because knowing the sign of another player is something mafia will surely hunt down. Why would they look for the role that stops them from killing people when they can kill a random player who knows the sign of another player.
Are you scum espe or is your logic just bad?

I'm ok with being booned.

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Can we get over with the booning and get to lynching?

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I would actually be okay with booning certain groupthink scumreads or lurkers though in order to lessen the cost of nightkills because more often than not they're town!

The only thing we need to do right now is not to give the boon to scum.

A town player knowing the sign of another player is good to potentially not very useful.
A scum player knowing the sign of another player is very very bad.

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boon tso

My team tells me this is the best thing to do now.

[vezokpiraka]

(4) Marquis: Marquis, Aronis, Titus, TellTaleHeart [L-6]

Marquis is voting himself. This is ok.
Then comes aronis and TTH who are voting for marquis because ????.
Titus is the only ok vote here.

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@Bulba, we need to get on the same page. Stat. I feel as if we are reading two separate games sometimes.

And I've told you repeatedly, I don't like Vezok for a boon choice, and I won't be voting for him. You can't yell at TSO to make his own decisions and then yell at me when I do.

Unboon

Boon TSO

Tammy is still the better choice, but if we can't do that, I'd prefer TSO.

This is bullshit. I've been booning TSO nearly from the start. I said my team wants him to take the boon while everyone was trying to boon me, but you think I'm scum and he's town? You're reads are so fabricated that you could nail them to a wall to board a window.

[vezokpiraka]

boon vezok

[vezokpiraka]

vote tth

why did you detect dv?

[vezokpiraka]

Can we lynch TTH and continue from there?

I'm not really seeing a scenario where TTH flips town.

[vezokpiraka]

I traced tth, because I had a scumread on him since antihero switched. Nothing he did helped make me think he's town.

[vezokpiraka]

TTH hasn't done anything and him coming up with a bad trace result is probably lynchworthy, I just don't really have anything useful to say about him until he gets into the thread.

I've been kind of overloaded with work and personal stuff recently, I'll do my best to find time to share my bulba thoughts at least tomorrow night.

He's not coming back I think.

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I have reasons for detecting DV, which I will not reveal unless I'm being seriously considered as a lynch candidate. As I will be confirmed in the next minor day (don't ask), I'm not particularly worried about that.

You're at l-2 or close. You are indeed considered for a lynch right now.

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@TTH:

I have two questions.

1) Why did you swap with Antihero?
2) How well are you fulfilling that reason for swapping?

Not very well, CDB. Not very well at all.
I'm currently in the process of getting my shit together.

Don't hide behind a PR. That shit doesn't cut it.

Also the reason for switching is bullshit. You knew who had time and you still put anti here. He was scun and doesn't like playing scum.

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So.

Vezok's town.
Tammy's town.
TTH is probtown.
Shadow I'm not touching.
Bulbazak's getting a pass.
Aronis may be town.
Cheetory is town enough.
Gamma looks fine.
CDB is good enough for now.
Marquis is kinda...ehhhh.
DV is just...ehhhhhhhhhh.
Empire's scum.
Espeonage is scum.


Leaves ActionDan, GIF, Titus, TSO, and UT to sort.

Your reads are incredibly bad. Ask your damn team to help you get into this game. If you won't listen to the people in this game because you are paranoid as fuck, then listen to your team. I'm tired of seeing this kind of shitlists.

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Shadoweh's reaction to my quick wagon when confronted by Bulba is pinging to me, mastin.
The ambivalence in the read itself and the failure to pursue any other leads while soft supporting the wagon under the banner of "vezok got results" is a position I think scum are more likely to take.

You think scum are more likely to agree that my results are scummy and not town thinking we got a scum?

Your argument makes no sense.

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@bulba: You can think whatever you want about my reads, because you are still scum and need to die.

Can anyone not see the buddying between TTH and Bulba?

If the TTH wagon won't continue I propose to grill aronis for being useless.

unvote
vote aronis

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@Cheetory,

Bulbazak is town because of the fluidity but logical consistency of his opinions. People are consistently inconsistent. I feel that people jumped on the first thing they disagreed with as scummy, rather than actually seeing what was actually scummy. My team told me to be hesitant on declaring people were scum so when I saw the massive pile up on Bulba for reasons I could not even divine much less understand, I figured the push was on town rather than on scum. I know occasionally I am wrong. Given those voices on Bulba's slot have suddenly gone quiet today when it's actually time to lynch Bulba, I can conclude either I was right or scum were setting up massive distancing for towncred. I'm more inclined to believe the former.

P-edit... well I thought no one was make a bulba is scum push...

Bulba as scum remains consistent nearly at all times. You can't say that bulba is not scum just because you didn't find inconsistencies.

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I feel horrible doing this, but I have to say it.
Empire's replace-out wasn't a town one.
singer's content is not town content.
That read's not a holdover of a read on Empire. I mean that singer's content simply isn't town, in addition to her slot not having been town in any of its iterations.

I have the same feelings regarding the TTH wagon as I did with the Shos wagon in Unbalanced 2. It's a bad lynch.

Then you should have the same feels about Esp as you did about Toon!

Can you please understand for the love of all that is holy that Empire is town and your gut is broken?

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Guys. Let's grill AD and Aronis.

We have two lynches. We can afford wasting one on getting useless players out of the game. Even if we don't lynch them, pressurre isn't going to be bad.

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No it isn't. Do you think tth is a doc? That really wants to protect tammy?
Tth ia scum because anti replaced out of here.

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No it isn't. Do you think tth is a doc? That really wants to protect tammy?

When did Tammy come into the equation here? o_O

Also, answer your own question.

I meant dv. I got them confused.

I think you are scum so obviously not doc and even if you were I don't understand why would you protect dv.

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@Vezok, That being said quite a few roles beyond doctor might investigate the signs of town. If he is run up against my wishes, we can analyze then. There's jailkeep, bodyguard, Titusonian townie (someone who scumreads a universal townread), just for a few.

So you mean doc with roleblock and doc that dies and idiots. I'm pretty sure tth isn't an idiot.

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You were being pretty widely townread, wanted to get us something good.

What did you expect? This makes no sense. What did you think would happen if you detected cheetory?

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Town: Titus, Tammy, Deevees, vezok, TSO

Like.
People keep telling me Empire was town.
And I see that slot, and I just go..."nope".

People keep telling me DV is town.
And I wonder what the heck the town is smoking.

yeah. The town is high and you are sober, not the other way around.

Also it seems like we don't want to lynch scum. Tell me when we decide something else.

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I'm liking the people on espe wagon, but I don't really get the case on him.
I find him kinda scummy though.

[vezokpiraka]

vote espe

This is a good wagon.

@mastin: if you are town and yoi defended scum so hard they couldn't be lynch you will feel my wrath.

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When singer flips town I'm going to have all the people who voted her move to tth.

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@titus: cause I am. Some things are just that obvious.

[vezokpiraka]

Let's wagon someone and see where that takes us. This phase of talking and not doing anything useful is starting to bore me.

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I am fine with Singer CDB or Espy. I will vote the biggest wagon.

I would

prefer

not CDB, since I don't really feel that wagon.

Esp or singer, though, are both fine.

...

That being said

, though, as established, I actually think that Esp is less likely to be scum than singer, so if I had a preference between the two, it'd actually be singer, sooooooooooooooooo...
VOTE: singersigner.

I'm willing to believe that I might be missing something this game, but the moment you vote for singer my brain goes kaboom and I start to think you are scum.

@UT: For the love of god help move this wagon away.

Also where the fuck is TSO?

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the moment you vote for singer my brain goes kaboom and I start to think you are scum.

Tough. I'm town, walking deadwoman town at that. singer...isn't.

@Mastina, Thanks. We need to talk about GiF. He's town but I can't explain why. He should be in the block.

If you can give me 100% assurance that GIF is not scum, then I'll consider it. (It depends on his reads more than anything else.) I am dropping the scumread, though. I trust you there.

Speaking of which, updated readslist is coming in.

This is bigger than you ego. This is team mafia and I get a shiny banner if I win.

Can you walk me through why TTH is town holding my hand and talking to me like I'm 5?

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You just disagreed with Mastina's scumread on DV, but he's not in your townreads. Oversight?

Why don't the three of us work together and exclude GiF, Cheetory, Marquis, TTH, Vezok, DV, Bulba and Shadoweh from the lynch pool today. We maintain our independent reads though?

Acknowledged Oversoul. Once I get my townreads working together I will.

I am going to be working with GiF, Cheetory and CDB as well as you and Oversoul. And maybe Mastin. She can decide if she wants to field a competing townbloc today, but it will be a competing town bloc if that's what she does, and on her head be it if it turns out that two townblocs are bad for town as a whole.

What happened to me?

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Can you walk me through why TTH is town holding my hand and talking to me like I'm 5?

Like you're 5, and I'm an adult?

Alright.

Because I said so.


(What, that's what my parents did to me. No explanation, just 'because we said so'.)

THE FUCKING LISTEN TO ME. SINGER IS NOT SCUM.

Maybe I can agree with your tth read, but as long as you believe singer is scum we have nothing to talk about. I will try to discredit every single post of yours and will push for you to be lynched.

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My to-do list today contains:
*An examination of Titus
*An examination of Marquis
*An examination of Untrod Tripod
*A consult with Antihero (if possible, *cross fingers*)
*A reads list.

I hope to have this done in a few hours but I'll definitely just post what I have by this afternoon.

You will-do list contains:

*nothing
*more nothing
*Maybe I will post a prod dodge or something.

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[ActionDan, Aronis, Bulbazak, GiF]

That's a pretty terrible lynch pool.

More details on this and updates:
GiF arguably fits into the "lurker" category too, but only in the sense that he's fairly low profile, not really making waves so far (not necessarily for lack of trying), and he's a question mark on a few other people's lists. ffery comes to mind as one of those people. This is also a pretty safe push. I refer to these as "safe pushes" simply because reasons for voting them aren't really there. Even with scum lurkers, those reasons usually exist and can be articulated, but DV hasn't really made an attempt to convincingly do so.

Can you please tell me why you think ffery is a safe push when he is confirmed town? Is no one at all reading the damn thread?

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Irony, thy name is vezokpiraka.
I never said ffery is a safe push. I said ffery had GiF as a question mark in her reads.

Oh this makes sense. Your phrasing was weird, but I understand now.

Carry on then.

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have you played with vezok much?

A few times. L4D was where I learned how good his reads could be, mainly based off of what Mastin said in post. I think I played at least two more times with Vezok after that, and I correctly town read him each time. His reads were also pretty good and tended to align with mine, or at least not severely clash with them. Here, I'm having a hard time getting that same feeling, and I don't know if it's just me or if there's really something missing.

In L4D you correctly identified me as town even though my reads where all over the place.
In Marvel Alliance you town read me and we synced up pretty well.
Organic chemistry had me as confirmed town so that doesn't count.
And you were scum in playing card mafia so there was no way we could sync reads.


I agree that you townread me correctly in L4D and MA.
Our reads only synced up in MA.

I really don't understand why you're trying to push this vezok-scum scenario by using meta.

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@Bulba: TTH wagon wasn't happening. There was no reason to keep my vote there when the deadline was well away. I wanted to push some pressure on the lurkers and aronis was the one I chose. I'm still nullreading him. Even though you were a scumread I would expect you to leave a vote on a lurky scum in the beginning just to throw of VCA or something.

Mostly I wanted to pressure aronis to see how he would react so I could sort him into town or scum and didn't really care who helped build up the pressure.

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I would've preferred espe as I think AD is slightly townish.

Anyway don't lynch singer. That's just dumb.

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Cab we get back to the espe wagon? It's the only wagon I kinda like right now and this game is fucking dragging. We need to do two lynches in 5 days and we don't even have wagons.

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Cab we get back to the espe wagon? It's the only wagon I kinda like right now and this game is fucking dragging. We need to do two lynches in 5 days and we don't even have wagons.

How about we compromise? You vote AD and we lynch him, then immediately after that we can lynch esp.

How about a flash aronis wagon?

Everyone wants this dead.

VOTE: aronis

[vezokpiraka]

vote tso

This wagon feels very strange, but I think scum as at the end of the tunnel.

[vezokpiraka]

Lynch someone. Stop with the garbage.

[vezokpiraka]

One more vote and we'll have a flip. Only 30 or so pages probably.

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Time to spam more so we become first.

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Titus moon-logic is still the same.

It appears we don't get signs of the dead players.

I too want reasons from TTH for his mastin vote because I'm not seeing the scum agenda.

[vezokpiraka]

vote titus

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The dissolving of espe wagon wasn't natural.

Also Titus is probably scum. Aronis seems like a mislynch like TSO was and both TTH and titus jumped on him while UT is on titus.

[vezokpiraka]

I think pretty much everyone is in need of some form of ego check here.

Ego check in a mafia game?

Yeah sure. Lynches happen just because deadline's coming.

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@Mastina, Can you join me on CDB, It's FFery endorsed atm. CDB has not felt extremely townie and I would like to asses his reaction to being wagoned to get a more solid read on him.

Could you explain CDB a little for me?

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Spoiler: CDB quotes

Oh, hey, speaking of my catch-up, GiF never got back to me about this. I think he should.

I won't pretend to have read more than my own entry in that list and the two at the bottom for now, but I'll definitely be coming back to it later.

Oh, hey, speaking of my catch-up, GiF never got back to me about this. I think he should.

I won't pretend to have read more than my own entry in that list and the two at the bottom for now, but I'll definitely be coming back to it later.

I missed it.

And?

Ffery, I'd been holding off on your word as I'd hoped that you would nominate a shortlist of three or something, as some of us were talking about, rather than homing in on one person specifically, so as to make scum decide within your shortlist to get more choices on record. However, seeing as enough people have just ignored you altogether, I guess we arrive at a similar point.

Boon: vezok

because the confirmed town wants me to. My read on vezok is slightly town now, anyway.

While I'm relaying opinions from the Black Goo, CES argues that we should use the Bane on a player who is hard to read (vezok is his example). This is because it's harder to judge scumminess on Day 1 before we see how any flips go and it would allow us to use investigative abilities on them - meanwhile, if scum kill them, we don't lose somebody we were quickly townreading. By avoiding a Bane on the No.1 scummiest player, too, we avoid complicating their potential lynch on Major Day 1. Again, I'm pretty much sold on his argument, especially the last part - I think Baning people who we intend to lynch immediately is a waste, though acknowledging that that could change later depending on what future Banes involve.

UnBane: Titus
Bane: vezok

I might pick somebody else later but I'm pretty sure that I don't want to Bane Titus, whom I'm reading as town.

Also reading Tammy as probably town but I don't know the dynamics between her, Zar, Empire etc. well enough to say that I scumread Zar as an extension of townreading Tammy.

Sure, OK, let's just get on with it.

Unbane: vezok
Bane: Bulbazak

FFery should pick the boon person or the boon pool we vote in. We know scum cannot influence uf she picks directly.

Ffery picking a pool from which we Boon is a good idea. I would prefer to have some influence in choosing from within that subset as we know that town vastly outnumbers scum.

That's the answer for both of your questions.

How did you manage to read so little of me? I mean, you clearly missed multiple posts. What was the point of the iso if you weren't going to read all of it?

What is your read on me at the moment?

CDB gives me bad vibes because I am 95% sure his votes on towI get he has to do his own investigation and shoving GiF as town is really antitown since I cannot prove it.

While I think that you're town, I don't agree with your read on a player who has the third-most posts in the game while still making very little impact on anything at all, as well as the things that are pinging me that I've mentioned. You're entitled to your read but, when you talk about it being based on ika, a player who is not in this game (and please, GiF, don't bring him in here), that does not make me drop everything to agree with it.

And both he and I want to tell GiF that he's not allowed to swap with ika.

I have focused here on CDB's reads on two players that make me uncomfortable: Vezok and GiF. Both of these reads were based on some form of lurking. Vezok's was just outright false based on my perspective at the time and now. He also says GiF is a scum because his many posts are not memorable. There's 20 players and play focused on around forming town coalitions. Someone is going to not be memorable. Is that a bad thing? No. He ignores that some people do not care to be memorable.

CDB starts with Vezok as scum but lurking. I refute. He persists. Then, when the conftown wants Vezok baned... suddenly Vezok's town. It's uncomfortably awkward. #981 is wierd. FFery picking a pool but us having some influence is good, because town vastly outnumber scum. What? If Ffery made the sole pick, we would know there's 100% town influence and 0% scum influence so what's the point behind town having more influence.

CDB's GiF read focus on him not being present. Common sense says that some people hunt differently where they don't need to be at the forefront. That's literally all there is to his GiF post and the fact he missed a question awhile ago. There's no teeth there at all. He also drops it when facing any sort of resistance. The resistance to having ika here when the game is demotivated and ika can obvtown himself quite well are also awkward to me. Hell, I should be the only one objecting to an ika influence but I won't cuz GiF's town.

There's no response from CDB regarding half the players. His reads are nearly untrackable. He doesn't comment on things that might cause him to change his reads. Overall, his strongest two expressed reads are the most difficult for me to comprehend at all.

So most of this hinges on me being scum with CDB? And the fact that CDB didn't give straight up reads? Either you're just not trying and failing at being town or you are scum grasping for reasons. I think you're scum.

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VC 87 (Major Day 1, VC 49)

(6)

ChannelDelibird:

Gammagooey, Titus, Shadoweh, Formerfish, Bulbazak, TellTaleHeart [L-4]

(Cheetory6, GuyInFreezer)

What is this? This has all my scumreads and some players I don't really like.

[vezokpiraka]

VC 87 (Major Day 1, VC 49)

(6)

ChannelDelibird:

Gammagooey, Titus, Shadoweh, Formerfish, Bulbazak, TellTaleHeart [L-4]

(Cheetory6, GuyInFreezer)

What is this? This has all my scumreads and some players I don't really like.

Town case for CDB.

Nut up or shut up.

The fact that the wagon looks icky as fuck is enough for me not to vote him. If deadline hits I'll reconsider.

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I'm not sure if I'll be around for deadline.

Sorry CDB, I think you're town, but I want a lynch.

unvote
vote CDB

@FFery: Can you five us a last readlist?

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TOWNBLOC:
TellTaleHeart (TTH is town, period)
Bulbazak
Titus
Shadoweh

TOWN:
Oversoul/Tammy
GuyInFreezer (GIF off of Titus-trust)

KINDA TOWN:
Gammagooey
Vezokpiraka

REST:
ChannelDelibird
ActionDan
Untrod Tripod
Espeonage
Formerfish/Marquis
Aronis

SCUM:
Cheetory (pure gut)
DeasVail
singersigner/Empire/Zar

There.
/sleep.

How the fuck are your reads completly inverted from mine? Seriously. How does this happen.

[vezokpiraka]

unvote
vote mastin

GOGOGO mastin waogn.

[vezokpiraka]

bane espe
Choose lock

I don't have anything to comment on.

[vezokpiraka]

I'm done.

bane mastin

You said you are dying. And instead we have a dead gif. The only reason for now it seems that scumtitus thought he was a doctor.

[vezokpiraka]

Why would the choice make a difference of who to bane?

Because if we choose locked, then any VTs will likely be VTs forever. This makes Esp a safe bane, as if he's town, nothing happens, and if he's scum, he can't use night actions. If we choose to unlock, then a random VT becomes a PR, and that makes baning Esp a little more risky.

Why would TTH's confirmed towniness happen before the end of the Minor Day?

Because she'll either be confirmed by the mod or another player. Either way, it's most likely to happen before the end of the minor day. Unless you're planning on ending the day before everyone chimes in...

So can we lynch bulba after this post? This looks like scum posturing to unlock duplicate.

[vezokpiraka]

Hi vezok.
Do you believe TTH?

Unless someone else CCs I believe TTH. His play makes sense and I don't think scum would figure out a fakeclaim like this.

[vezokpiraka]

This Bane feels like it'd at least be less of a waste to use it on someone we're actively intending to lynch immediately, but since we know from Viktor that scum have at least one player with a non-factional ability, it seems strictly more efficient to try to use them separately.

I'm not sure if roleblocking someone we don't really feel like lynching is helpful. I mean it's a roleblock. The chance of hitting scum is small and it's also low impact. The boon should be cooler.

[vezokpiraka]

Wtf mastin. Why did you claim because of a roleblock??

I'm ok with ad baning. I just want to get this over with.

bane ad

[vezokpiraka]

vla for 2 days

[vezokpiraka]

boon cdb

I like his ability and think he's town.

[vezokpiraka]

How do you know scum have a roleblocker?

He's scun. That's how he knows.

[vezokpiraka]

titus is a she

don't be a dick

I'm not. I'm sorry. My language doesn't need pronouns and when I'm sleepy I forget what should I use.

[vezokpiraka]

Ugggh

I really don't actually want to boon CDB here

the risk of him being scum and getting two free kills seems waaaay worse than the bonus of giving him the option to track anyone tonight. like if we were down to 2 scum or something then it'd be great but i don't see it actually being useful for catching people at this point, and it doesn't even force him to fake useful results if he's scum since he can just say he was roleblocked.

and I'm not anywhere near confident enough about him being town to really justify ignoring that.

NO. Fuck off. Cdb was at l-1 and you unvoted. You don't think he's scum. This is posturing. I'm advocating you get lynched asap.

[vezokpiraka]

This is bullshit. You want us to fail the boon. The deadline is in 16 hours.

[vezokpiraka]

You unvoted at l-1. Your unvote caused the no lynch.

[vezokpiraka]

To everyone complaining about me in some form or another: I feel just as crappy and probably more crappy than you do about my lack of participation. It sucks and I feel suitably terrible about not being as able to keep up properly with this as I did at the start. If you're going to lynch me then that's ok, but that doesn't mean that it's anything more than that, because frankly I've posted way more than enough for people to read me and so if you read me wrong then that's not my problem. I am going to keep up with this game where I can, but I'm not going to be able to devote very much time to a mafia game that just gets longer and longer considering everything else going on in my life right now.

I'm sorry for being bitter and angry and it's probably a product of my own insecurities more than anything wrong with any of you, but thinking I'm scum is a bad thing and I'd like it to stop.

Then replace out. Seriously. I don't want people to lynch a spot just cause he lurks. That is not fun for any team that player is on.

This is team mafia and I want all slots at their bests.

[vezokpiraka]

If anybody traced me last night, you're an asshole.

Sorry. I traced you. I wanted to be sure you are town and now I am 95% sure.

[vezokpiraka]

Gyus. We have two useless flips. The last 5 pages are nothing. They are fluff written in many words. We need to lynch something.

vote bulba

[vezokpiraka]

VOTE: UT

No. UT is town. Come help me lynch scum mastermind bulbazak.

[vezokpiraka]

I cannot even understand his Bulba read. The trace on TTH is pretty scummy. It blocks TTH, obvtown likely to trace, fromgetting a result, even if true. If anything it looks like scum protecting fellow scum to me. How do you get tracing TTH as town?

From my view there was a still a chance tth was scum. A small one though it existed. I traced tth because I thought that if he detected as a vanilla he was clearly scum. No I confirmed one of my reads as town.

If you think this is more likely to come from scum than from town you are way too paranoid.

[vezokpiraka]

It's not overly paranoid to look at an action and then see which side it will benefit more and then judge alignment accordingly. There's a

chance

everyone is scum but me. That doesn't excuse detecting obvtown. If TTH got a guilty, he would be nearly unquestionable and that person should be lynched. Tracing TTH makes much more sense as a defensive scum manuever than an overly paranoid town. You effectively blocked the "copping" of someone.

If you think a trace is equal to a cop than I want to know who did you trace night 1 and 2 and what results did you get, because a cop is more valuable than nearly any other action.

[vezokpiraka]

Am I the only one who sits down and thinks about the actions of both town and scum to determine the most objective action? :S

You are the only one who doesn't apply occam's razor.

Why in the name of whatever you curse at would I come forth as scum saying I traced someone who is confirmed town? Do you think I have a death wish as scum?

[vezokpiraka]

I think doing exactly the opposite of what mastin says and does is correct play.

[vezokpiraka]

@Oversoul, if I was a neighborizer, I would so be neighborizing you, for the sole purpose of trying to convey to you how I think. I was frankly pretty bummed when Empire subbed out considering he's had similar training on how to approach problems and I haven't played many games with him. My play has evolved since Dr. Who, more of abandoning what I suck at unless I have nothing else to go off of.

So you think that your style of play is based on your training as a lawyer/law school?

Yes, and a little computer programming training. Lawyering is about finding clear and concise rules and applying them. Emotional basis is largely absent and detached. Things that are true are withheld because they are more likely to cause people to think something is true, without it actually being true. My stance on meta (prior good/bad acts) is much similar to that in US jurisprudence. If something is more likely to mislead, then to actually help, then don't use it. That's why I still listen to meta arguments but I'm largely dismissive unless they relate to personality. Someone's acts in another game can easily mislead us one way or the other. US Common law tends to be built on a basis of caselaw that creates a basis of rules. My VCA is an attempt to boil those actions to a calculation to determine what scum will do and when, more importantly how they will vote and when.

The Socratic method is also a useful tool for persuasion and for being persuaded. It's also how to determine if I will town or scumread someone. First, find out what the elements are a person uses to define their reads. My behavior reads are logical validity (not soundness, someone could believe something I wholeheartedly disagree with them on, if their position makes sense), town/scum benefit (who benefits more by pushing/doing an action), passion, mental transparency (are they hiding anything), and survival over pursuit. Meta plays a part to define personality. I know this leads me to conflict with emotion based players who just try to fit everything into a worldview without actually listening to facts. I consider it a flaw if I'm wrong on a tunnel, because that means I have a bad fact or a was persuaded of something that wasn't true.

Lurkers and people who refuse to engage in a dialogue are the most frustrating for this reason. I cannot engage in the mental chessmatch to determine alignment. Singer's refusal to actually engage me on any read but me is part of the reason I am struggling with her.

You're the kind of person who thinks every little accident has malicious intent behind it.
Break a vase? You were upset at what I brought you 5 years ago. Trip over a cable? You were annoyed I spend too much time on the internet and wanted to make me leave it.

[vezokpiraka]

Okay, time to do that VCA I promised comparing my wagon with TSO's and Mastin's. Going to bold the common denominators. Underline those that appear on two.

(10)

Bulbazak:

DeasVail,

Gammagooey

, Shadoweh,

Cheetory6

,

Titus

,

vezokpiraka

,

GuyInFreezer

,

Aronis

,

Tammy (Oversoul)

,

T S O

(10)

T S O:

Titus

,

Untrod Tripod

,

Gammagooey

,

singersigner

, mastin2,

vezokpiraka

,

Cheetory6

, ActionDan,

GuyInFreezer

, ChannelDelibird

(2)

mastin2:

vezokpiraka

,

Aronis

, (

Cheetory6

,

singersigner

,

Oversoul

,

Gammagooey

,

Untrod Tripod

, TellTaleHeart)

Okay, for kicks and giggles, let's see if we have any special names that appear on the TTH wagon:

(7)

TellTaleHeart:

Titus

,

Empire (Singersinger)

,

Tammy (Oversoul)

,

Aronis

, Marquis (FormerFish),

vezokpiraka

,

Cheetory6

, (ChannelDelibrd)

Okay, out of all the players that appeared on two of the wagons, I have strong town reads on Titus and Oversoul. That leaves {Aronis, UT, Singer}. I want to say there's no more than two scum in there, but man that looks like a very good list. But yeah, I doubt all three are scum. Singer and Aronis get bonus points for being on the TTH wagon. Looking back over the VCA, all three stayed off wagons together except in the case of Mastin. It makes sense, since I think Mastin's wagon was heavily scum pushed. However, I'm ruling out that possibility, since I doubt all four were on the wagon, and we haven't even gotten to the list of names that was on every wagon.

There are only 3 names that were on all three of the TSO/Bulba/Mastin wagons: Vezok, Cheetory, and Gamma. Gamma's pretty strongly townread on my team, so I'm giving him a pass, which is backed up when you include the TTH wagon in the mix, where he was absent. That leaves only Cheetory and Vezok. I think there's only one scum here, and Vezok is the most likely candidate, as Cheetory's thought process is very transparent when you go back and look at it.

Okay, so that leaves 1 scum in {Vezok, Cheetory} and likely 2 in {Aronis, UT, Singer}. I think this gives us a pretty good foundation to lynch from and then figure out where the last scum is hiding (unless I'm wrong about there only being 2 in the second group, but I'm just going to assume I'm wrong on a read somewhere.).

@Mastin: Thoughts on Vezok given this? I know you really want to call him town, but I'm going to need more than a gut feeling to back that up.

@Gamma: Talk to me about Singer. Mollie tells me that you should be able to look objectionably at her and tell me if I'm wrong.

@Singer: VCA has given you a day. Let's make the most out of it. Why are you avoiding UT and Aronis?

Vote Vezokpiraka

I need people to provide me hard town cases or get onboard.

Did you just do a VCA with 3 unflipped wagons and called me scum?
This is not how you do a VCA and you fucking know that. This is just bullshit to try to call me scum.
Also for anyone paying attention you only picked the wagons I voted on. There is no singer wagon there and a lot of other stuff.

[vezokpiraka]

@Titus: MS wants to asks you what do you think of bulba's VCA.

[vezokpiraka]

@Titus: MS wants to asks you what do you think of bulba's VCA.

And wants to know if it's remotely valid.

[vezokpiraka]

@vezok

,
Why is Bulba scum?

Cause he's failing at reading me, trying to push bad lynches and isn't engaging in helping the town.

[vezokpiraka]

Would you say you're engaging in helping the town?
What exactly do you envision that would look like?

Lynching scum and not posting immense walls of nothing to boast your ego.

[vezokpiraka]

Wtf oversoul.

I used the boon to get your sign on the first day. And guess what. You aren't candle. So what's with the lying?

[vezokpiraka]

Gogogo scum quicklynch

vote oversoul

[vezokpiraka]

We are not lynching ut. That is the most stupid thing we can do right now.

[vezokpiraka]

I'm townreading ut. I'd claim alquin if people would put me at l-2. The way he claimed is town.

I'm not sure what you're smoking gamma, but it isn't town fumes.

[vezokpiraka]

What? Read uts post. His read on you is organic as shit. He reaches out to you and actually tries to get on with, but you keep getting away from him and his read changes to scum reading you.

On that note

vote gamma

I'd rather see you flip first then think of ut.

[vezokpiraka]

That was to gamma.

[vezokpiraka]

he has not said a single word about why my posts make me scum.

he's ASKED me if i'm scum, I think twice, instead of actually trying to find my alignment in any meaningful or legitimate way.

Really? Maybe read minor day 1 again.

[vezokpiraka]

I hope that most of the town isn't dumb enough to lynch UT and will actually lynch GG and Titus scum extraordinaire.


inb4 Bulbazak comes here and advocates for an UT lynch.

[vezokpiraka]

Vezok, Gamma is

so town

.

Did you cop him? IF not shut up. Your play is bad.

[vezokpiraka]

Guys.

I can finally tell you why singer is scum.

Empire was scum in the vanilla nightless and was really upset because of it and switched with zar who hated the setup in vanilla nightless. I'm pretty sure there is absolutely no chance that Empire moved from a scum slot to another scum slot.

[vezokpiraka]

@UT: Come lynch GG with me first. We'll have more traction because oversoul is considered to town by most.

[vezokpiraka]

@UT, The last post was to Singer.

I got no problem eating crow if I am wrong. Given I am townreading everyone on this wagon independant of theory (which says they are town), I doubt I will be. Little risk. High reward.

Well I have a problem with lynching important town roles. If you don't, maybe you're scum.

Seriously. Is it new meta to lynch townies and hope for the best? Do you think scum are going to kill themselves?

I really can't decide if you are town or scum and the things you say only sound dumb.

[vezokpiraka]

You've been posturing as if you've been tracing me (which would explain why my trace failed on you) but yet somehow you know UT's sign. That IS cause for concern from me.

What the fuck have I said that would imply I've targeted you? Or even got a result one way or another for that matter? If I thought I could get you lynched (hint: a wagon with 6 people heavily implies I can), I wouldn't waste anything on you.

And this was 100% Empire's decision anyway, not mine. Stop doubt casting things that inconvenience you and your tiny bubble of wtf.

@AD...in what world would it make sense to keep lying about token distribution after Empire/Zar's scum flip in the nightless? Two people that apparently have as much distain for being scum as I do make a

thousand

percent sense to want to place tokens in the town pile. Especially when, as you can see, it's hard as fuck to be scum in a nightless setup. What game do you think we would've wanted so much that we would put a preference of tokens on it? Seriously. And what's the point in doubt casting the token distribution of it doesn't matter to you?

AD needed to comment on something so he doesn't like as much as a non-entity as aronis and the only relevant thing he could comment on was the token thing.

Also you guys didn't want to lynch the lurkers day 1. Now live with them and forever doubt their alignment.

[vezokpiraka]

.

@Titus: MS wants to asks you what do you think of bulba's VCA.

Hey, why is MS not talking to me, or heck, even mentioning me? This is the second time we've even heard about MS in the entire game. I have a hard time believing that your slot is town and that MS has not seen town-me and told you to reach out, because that is totally something I would have expected from MS-town by now.

He is sure you are scun and wants you dead.

Lynching scum and not posting immense walls of nothing to boast your ego.

So you've not been reading any of my posts. That's nice to know.

The misrep is so big I'm starting to think you don't know how to understand what you read

[vezokpiraka]

@UT, The last post was to Singer.

I got no problem eating crow if I am wrong. Given I am townreading everyone on this wagon independant of theory (which says they are town), I doubt I will be. Little risk. High reward.

Well I have a problem with lynching important town roles. If you don't, maybe you're scum.

Seriously. Is it new meta to lynch townies and hope for the best? Do you think scum are going to kill themselves?

I really can't decide if you are town or scum and the things you say only sound dumb.

Are you seriously unable to see why the way UT is acting could be coming from scum? I mean jesus fucking christ. I don't have to much experience playing with you, but I stand by what I said in the unusual game about being glad that I didn't have to play with you.

This is what you have to say? You lurk since you replaced in and you come here and latch on the biggest wagom.

[vezokpiraka]

Were doing this?

vote bulbazak

[vezokpiraka]

Guh.

I'm still where I was last time.

I'm going through...well, it's hard to explain.
See, most of the important stuff in my life is normalizing. I've mostly balanced the scales. My mafia life is basically all I need to normalize my rhythm on in order to have gotten back to fully normal. Easy task...especially since on my main, this is literally the only game...and yet, I've been finding it incredibly hard to muster up the willpower to actually come here and log on, even though I have had the time to do so. (Heck, I think I

have

logged on since my last post in here, just not having done anything.)

I think I mighta figured out the cause, that being, that I have a fundamentally broken psyche: the more games I'm in, the more I'm motivated to log into the account, and vice versa--meaning that right now, when I have a low game load, I'm so demotivated that I'm practically siteflaking. (This, incidentally, would actually also help to explain why as of late I haven't been able to successfully hydra: logging into my main's all nice and good, but I'd only have the singular game on the hydra, and thus, there's the temptation to not log in...especially given that I have a partner posting.)

Technically, there's other stuff I could be doing. Reviews, An Ill-Advised Text-Based Adventure (which I promised an update on...exactly one week ago, which has yet to come), you get the idea, but while I'm visiting the site day-to-day, I'm actually not feeling motivated to do anything while here, at least not on my main. A slump, a depression, if you will.

Now that I know, well, there's a few things. Just putting this out here, if there's anyone who's modding a game and needs a replacement, consider myself volunteered. Short of specific mostly-rare circumstances (e.g. I'm in the game already as an alt, I'm on the blacklist of someone in the game, I won't play the game out of policy, you get the idea), there's pretty much nothing keeping me from accepting. Having more than one game to attend to will help the health of both. (Within reason. Ten games is just as bad on me as one game.)

That obviously being an unorthodox solution, I'll try the traditional one tomorrow. Which will be to blunt force my way through it. (So, within 12 hours most likely.) I'll try that out and see if I can get myself back into the game that way.

If that doesn't work, well, this IS team mafia, and my team's technically down a member. (We haven't heard from Mara in ages.) So if push comes to shove, and all else fails, we could probably pull a switcheroo, where I get subbed out of the active slot but remain on the team as an adviser while I get my head out of this mental slump. (This is my plan C, though, because it's less-than-ideal: a permanent solution for a temporary problem. I need to be in the game, like, right now. But I'm having this trouble. The trouble will go away. A switch-out would take care of the "in the game" bit, but after I'm finished with the trouble would leave me screaming to want back in, but the rules wouldn't allow that, soyeah. Not ideal, but plausible if necessary.)

On that note, it's 2:30 AM. I'm going to bed now, without any catchup. Sorry. I haven't even read the team PT. I'll read it and talk with them tomorrow, and then I'll read the bits of this game I need to.

Replace out then goddammit. I really really really don't care what kind of troubles you go through when I'm playing a game. You can't play then replace out.

[vezokpiraka]

GOGOGO aronis wagon. Surely a wagon on lurkers springs up right now while I've been advocating for it for the entire major day 1, but yeah let's do it now when we could lynch bulba scum instead.

If aronis flips town I'm seriously debating if any one of you except the scum team knows how to play mafia.

[vezokpiraka]

Aronis, what were your reasons for townreading TSO?

Just being town TSO isn't enough for you?

[vezokpiraka]

PEOPLE. Vote bulba. We need 3 more votes. Don't fucking drag the lynch even more. We need to lynch someone else after this.

[vezokpiraka]

Singer, ut, bulba and ff vote one of the wagons please.

[vezokpiraka]

Bulba is at L minus 1

Why can't people listen to me when I actually am playing nice? :@

Listen to you about what?

They listened to you about the consolidating wagons thing and we might actually get a lynch today.

[vezokpiraka]

Nope. I'm going to be around pretty constantly for the next several hours so I'll be here to vote if "pronto" isn't met.

Have been thinking about the Aronis wagon a bit. I still think there's absolutely zero town motivation shown and he should probably have replaced out long ago if this is all he's willing to bring to the table as town, but I think part of the reason why I'm still voting for him is because I'm annoyed that people keep saying that this vote came out of nowhere when I've been suspicious of Aronis for the majority of the game. That's when it feels like people are trying to discredit the origin of the wagon, like I just plucked it out of my backside.

Fuck, I convinced myself.

UNVOTE: Aronis
VOTE: Bulbazak

UNVOTE IMMEDIATELY SINGER SAID SHE WOULD HAMMER ANYTHING AT L-1

We need a claim before that happens

Yeah. Let's delay this even more. Bulba will probably lurk for three days and claim something stupid and we will somehow no lynch at both lynches.

[vezokpiraka]

I say we give him until 3:20 PST to claim. That puts him at the required post every two days and provides a hard deadline. That's about 7 hours.

I'm ok with this.

If bulba doesn't come in after this deadline passed hammer quickly so we can move on.

[vezokpiraka]

vote: Bulb

Praise the glory of the singer.

[vezokpiraka]

FucK. My whole virw of the revolved around bulba scum.
I'm at a loss. I'll sheep someone until I organize my thoughts;

[vezokpiraka]

You haven't read the scum qt. Empire was wailing a lot and said he didn't like scum. Zar likes scum and empire hates scum. They switched. Singer is town.

[vezokpiraka]

Like...Bulbazak was my night fucking one protection. That's how fucking town he was to me, I specifically protected him believing firmly he above all others was the most likely to be nightkilled.

And you fucking lynched him.

If you were townreading him so much you should'vr been more active and defended him.

You can't cry for a lynch you didn't say anything about.

[vezokpiraka]

vote aronis

I'm sheeping titus on this.

[vezokpiraka]

I just really don't get how you can call scum4nxread complete garbage because of lack of content while championing an Aronislynch. Like, seriously? Unless I'm missing something that's a horrendously hypocritical thing to be pushing.

Aronis flipping gives insight into the wagons. It's also a great lynch because we get out of wifoming later on.

Also town aronis has more passion and doesn't like being scumread.

[vezokpiraka]

Right now titus is my biggest town read.

She looks intent on actually doing something. If she as scum can mimic this and actually be one of the only players who don't lurk and actively try to lynch people then she deserves the win.

[vezokpiraka]

I'm not supporting a singer lynch and there are others who don't want to.

[vezokpiraka]

unvote
vote 4nx

I'm willing to believe this will flip scum. I'd vote aronis if the wagon hadn't stagnated.

[vezokpiraka]

Lol. Titus best autocorrect.

[vezokpiraka]

unvote
vote aronis

Great wagon for great victory.

[vezokpiraka]

Ah. That claim is horrible but I still want aronis dead.

Titus guide me.

[vezokpiraka]

Vezok, why did you Detect Tammy with the boon?

This looks like rolefishing.

I chose tammy because she was my bet for widely towmread scum. I wanted to know this in case of weird claims.

[vezokpiraka]

I think I'll vote 4nx. I want tth chime and tell us his detect result.

[vezokpiraka]

It is literally not rolefishing since you claimed it earlier. But sure, enjoy your Tinfoil hat.

Yes it is. If I say for role related reasons you know I'm PR.

[vezokpiraka]

vote 4nx

Claim is way to weird.

[vezokpiraka]

I saw someone say that the sign changing pointed to scum in Anx claim. I see it as the oppiosit. If stone scum targeted him for a detect and found out his sign to be candle when they go to kill him at night with candle unmake it is going to fail.because he is stone now. This seems like a fairly decent way to keep a townie that we are going to need in the future alive. When I get off work I am going to have to see if any of the people who pushed hard for a ut lynch after a claim match those that are now pushing Anx hard after his claim. I'd bet there is at least one scum in that overlapping pool.

Stop trying to save your buddy and just end his miserable life.

[vezokpiraka]

How does that help town in amy way? It makes him a commuter with a random chance of abilities hitting him.
Bulba was bulletproof. This is just scum.

[vezokpiraka]

Guys. We're lynching bullshit claim 4nx today.

We get gamma tomorrow.

[vezokpiraka]

It would be superb cool if you could just vote and stop being useless.

Nonono. He has a team that can help, but he prefers being useless.

[vezokpiraka]

This is great.

Titua was fucking scum. Let's 4nx. He's scum. No way there were two town wagons.

Also I still think UT is scum. If he isn't alquin, alquin should claim and we choose more lynches.

[vezokpiraka]

Pretty sure Titus was trying to get towncred for when I flipped and/or tie herself to me.

I'd lean toward baneing vezok atm.
No idea what's the better choice is.
(but it's not like my opinion matters to others at this point anyway)

Sign changed to candle last night.

My role is basically useless now so I won't be too upset at being lynched, and I get why my slot needs clearing up.

What's with scumteams always trying to push for my lynch?

Am I that easy to mislynch?

I'm not sure who we should bane.

[vezokpiraka]

Checking in. Hate how Vezok flipped on UT, need to check that progression.I would like to Bane him if my check comes back the way I remember.

I would not like to trade, we need to lunch smart here and we barely get two in during the time, what makes anyone think we can get 3. I'll be back after work.

Please tell how did I flip on UT? Point where I say ut is scum.

[vezokpiraka]

This is great.

Titua was fucking scum. Let's 4nx. He's scum. No way there were two town wagons.

Also I still think UT is scum. If he isn't alquin, alquin should claim and we choose more lynches.

That should have been town not scum.

[vezokpiraka]

Gamma, focus on team building. It's clear he will dodge. Talk with Singer get her to bus UT or start playing protown if town. I don't care how. UT is scum.

So you've come to a consensus that I'm actually scum, have you? Wanna finally tell me why? Or are you gunna let me continue pushing your for the same reasons Gamma's pushing UT.

Guys.

I can finally tell you why singer is

scum.

Empire was scum in the vanilla nightless and was really upset because of it and switched with zar who hated the setup in vanilla nightless. I'm pretty sure there is absolutely no chance that Empire moved from a scum slot to another scum slot.

FTFY.

Also, Mina wanted me to correct myself. Empire put in three town tokens and still rolled scum. Pretty horseshit!

Dude. This happened already in this game. I fuck when I think and type scum instead of town.

[vezokpiraka]

choose : keep

bane anx

I really don't want to lose the second lynch.

[vezokpiraka]

Mod: Will this protection affect alquin or will it get countered by his passive?

[vezokpiraka]

boon singer

[vezokpiraka]

Mastin is town. I'm pretty sure.

[vezokpiraka]

Singer is being universally scumread by my team.

Are you serious?

Is your team just BAM or are you scum?

I can't believe someone who's reading the game thinks the person who shot titus is scum.

[vezokpiraka]

Oh, shit, I forgot that blue was the mod's color.
Uhh...good thing there's just the one rather than the whole dump that I have in the PT?

I'm gonna have to change the colors, obv, but the basic conclusion from it is that the scumteam's DV/vezok/Gamma. (The outlier candidates are Esp and Formerfish, but that looks incredibly less likely when you see the patterns emerging--mainly, vezok's rather votehappy nature about being on nearly every single major wagon in the game, and Gamma being almost as bad. Like I said, I'll post the whole thing when I'm finished, assuming the mod has mercy and doesn't modkill me. )

Did you just point out that I usually vote every large wagon as town and then proceed to call me scum?

[vezokpiraka]

It pisses me off when people colour their name green in VCAs.

[vezokpiraka]

Actually, that's not analysis, that's just votecounts. If it was analysis I could understand the point, but for raw data it's just dumb.

[vezokpiraka]

Scum is in ff, espe, 4nx and maybr mastin.

[vezokpiraka]

I traced espe and I got no result. I think he's town.

[vezokpiraka]

Can I play a game where I'm not scumread as town?
Seriosly now. Mastin you've played a lot of games with me. What makes you think it's not town me?

[vezokpiraka]

vote 4nx

Let's get this over with.

[vezokpiraka]

Just end this misery.

[vezokpiraka]

vote formerfish

I have more faith in this being scum than gamma.

[vezokpiraka]

vezok is still town

this is a continuing public service announcement

it will be broadcast until i am dead or the end of the game, whichever comes first

Yay. Gamma. I love your cat avatar.

Yeah I'm town guys. Let's lynch real scum here.

Do we have anything we want to discuss before killing off FF?

[vezokpiraka]

Very few things will make me change my target. We know I'm protected an now can't be roleblocked. If we lynch correctly the game might just be over?

My team could be wrong.

But t this point PoE say highly unlikely.

Should we mass claim to be sure?

Massclaim tomorrow. No need to do it today.

Tomorrow we'll have two lynches to probe the weird claims and most probably only one scum, while today we have one lynch for 2 scums. Also I think FF is scum and if we massclaim he may wiggle out by accusing a weird claim.

[vezokpiraka]

where aaaaaare you fish

Drowning in the blood of his former comrades in the scum QT.

[vezokpiraka]

It's partially selfish in that I like to use more time than less in general.
I don't see any harm in taking a little longer to see a potential claim from FF. I don't think we should be in a rush.
UT and Shadow should be dropping reads atm.
Espe and AD should get their shit together and put something substantial in the thread.

FF is not going to claim. He is scum. He has no reason whatsoever to talk to us.

[vezokpiraka]

I mean, probably?
Give him 24 hours.
If he gets into prod-range and doesn't spill his guts then we kill the shit out of him.
How does that sound?

It's not like I can do anything. I'm already voting him.

I just don't understand what you hope to achieve by waiting more. He came here so he was dying and left. That's not something you do as town.


I highly doubt that AD or Espe or even mastin will come and give reasoning for their actions so I'm not really sure why we are waiting. I'll wait some more, but if I get really bored I'll try to hurry everyone.

[vezokpiraka]

Hito you are a great mod and I enjoy playing games modded by you.