New York 185: Freshwater Frenzy!

[SilverWolf]

Boo said she thought he was a tracker who tracked her to anen the night he died. Per her claim, she visited anen with her VC ability.

Cheetory never claimed outright but clearly had a guilty result on her. However, gunsmith's will get guilties on Vanilla Cops.

In Normal games on mafiascum.net, a Gunsmith gets guilties on all Mafia (except Traitors and Doctors), Cops, Vigilantes, Gunsmiths, Role Cops, Vanilla Cops, Backups of roles with guns and JoATs that have any of these listed powers.

Not sure what to make of this yet.

[Boonskiies]

I'm done with this. We lynch Lala today.


VOTE: Lala[/vote

To be honest, even more reasons to scum read him are occurring. Specifically, I believe that he is scum who doesn't believe he was being scummy. He is confused as to why people are voting for him, and doesn't feel he should be getting caught for 'no reason' at all. A town mindset would understand it, and move on from a small wagon like Lala's. Lala has never been in any real danger of getting lynched; town mindset would feel that the other person's thought process is off, or scummy. All he cares about is "the why?". ScumLala is annoyed people are catching him as scum for reasons he doesn't think are scummy.

[Boonskiies]

uhm....^

VOTE: Lala

[Boonskiies]

I want you policy lynched.

VOTE: House

thanks for allowing me to earn your vote. now lynch this.

You are ridiculous

VOTE: make a House a home

This is Lala trying to buddy up with RC and try to make a wagon happen that isn't his.

[Drixx]

FWIW: Cheetory was investigating laladucks last night, or at least that's what he said in neighborhood in our chat. His flip makes me think he was using the chat more to read me as it doesn't look like he could do it every night?

Anyway, he is confirmed town now, and he said lala was his investigate. For whatever that's worth. So much for my neighborhood

[Egg]

Hmm. Kitz's flip along with Varsoon's earlier had me thinking I was wrong about Bookitty. Cheet's has me wondering though. I find it interesting that she volunteered the fact that she visited a dead guy and Cheet didn't even have that info. But the whole "it's a track not a watch because someone else visited him too" is pretty likely to come from a non killing role which is null because it could be scum or town. I think I'm back to Cheet's result and Bookitty's reaction meaning nothing and my read being weak gut + associatives which equals townish.

When I have time, I want to go back and look at FA because I'm getting a strong gut scum read there.

But. I'm in midle of a 64 hour work week crammed into a four day period and the three days after that are mostly for family before I go back to a slightly better work week so I'm kind of V/LAish until Wednesday night next week.

[SilverWolf]

@lala-The biggest issue I have with you atm is your read progression. In particular your read on me went from scum D1 to town D3. What changed?

@Lalala: What makes you think I'm scummier now? Can you walk me through the evolution of your read on me, please?

sorry I didn't do it yet!

leaving right now though, will do it later!

promise

Okay, let's try to figure this out! I scumread you D1 just based on gut I think. Then D2, uh what was I doing, guess I should check... Oh I didn't mention Boo at all D2. Makes it hard to remember how I was reading her. Well, I'll just ISO her then. So idk what to make of her stance on the Ozgin debacle, maybe slightly townish? Erm, ah... Then the thing with Cheet, I thought she was townish near the start of that and then more in the middle she seemed more suspicious. Becaaauuuse, uhm I'm sorry idk I'm tired I'll have to do this tomorrow I guess. Anyway, I have a townlean on Bookitty at this instant but my read on her is dippy flippy flopping like a dying Nemo, which I'll try my best to rectify! Tomorrow--

Pedit: ah :{ I gave one this morning and I'll pair them with reasons tomorrow

Spoiler: soon to be not reasonless reads

Two more things lalala:
i) Can you give some kind of a readslist? If it the reasoning for each read is like "iuno whatever" that's fine just like still give the reasoning/rationale behind each read you have.
If you have time, I'd really appreciate that.

ohhh really quick jic Day ends before I get home

Cheet - town
Silver - town
RC - town
Egg - town unless he's really good at being scum idk maybe he is
dragon - reluctantly town
Boon - town I guess but stop trying to ML pls

House - could be town? could be scum? idek - behaviour seems town but JoAT claim seems off
Skybird - unsure
Boo - keep flip flopping on her kinda leaning townish for now though

Kitz - scumsies
FA - scumbumble
Drixx - scum!
PB - scummm
Taly(slot) - scum wheee

but I believe I forgot DeltaWave - scum obv

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not going to touch Lala with a ten foot pole right now so you can all settle down and just vote House, thank you.

[FA_Q2]

lala is still a good lynch. I don't like the fact that boo visited the NK target and cheets flip confirms that he had a read on her. Her VC story *could* be true from what I understand of the role but she had to instantly try and defend the fact that she visited the kill target - still highly unlikely IMHO.

I don't get much from Kitz other than lala and prolapsed are not likely on her team. Not a whole lot as to who might be on her team though.

[SilverWolf]

So far, FA and Drixx make the most sense as Kitz partners.

[dragonspawn]

So far, FA and Drixx make the most sense as Kitz partners.

Why if I may ask?

[DeltaWave]

I'm done with this. We lynch Lala today.


VOTE: Lala[/vote

To be honest, even more reasons to scum read him are occurring. Specifically, I believe that he is scum who doesn't believe he was being scummy. He is confused as to why people are voting for him, and doesn't feel he should be getting caught for 'no reason' at all. A town mindset would understand it, and move on from a small wagon like Lala's. Lala has never been in any real danger of getting lynched; town mindset would feel that the other person's thought process is off, or scummy. All he cares about is "the why?". ScumLala is annoyed people are catching him as scum for reasons he doesn't think are scummy.

No more PL. Going to figure something out.

[SilverWolf]

So far, FA and Drixx make the most sense as Kitz partners.

Why if I may ask?

I'll explain later when I have more time. Been busier than expected today.

[RadiantCowbells]

This is Lala trying to buddy up with RC and try to make a wagon happen that isn't his.

Btw, it's kind of weird to say that Lala's trying to buddy me when I specifically requested her vote.

[Prolapsed Brain]

I am bursting with ennui.

[dragonspawn]

Ok?

[Egg]

FA, if Bookitty killed Anen, how would she have known that she wasn't the only one to target him? Or do you think she was guessing?

[SilverWolf]

No more PL. Going to figure something out.

Please feel free to tell us what that is considering your only contributions to the game since you replaced in is to call for a PL of lala.

So far, FA and Drixx make the most sense as Kitz partners.

Why if I may ask?

I'll explain later when I have more time. Been busier than expected today.

Still somewhat busy today but I should get to this later this afternoon.

I am bursting with ennui.

You can change that by, I don't know, not being worthless like you have all game.

[Bookitty]

Sorry for being absent; work has been comprehensively kicking my butt so far this week. (Not game relevant, but work Internet was down most of yesterday -- the horror!)

I checked on Boonskiies yesterday and he's not Vanilla, so I think that clears that up. As I said before, I don't think two scum would claim together like that, plus, who would they be partnered with?

@Lalala: Why do you think you're being pushed as a wagon right now?

@DeltaWave: What are you trying to figure out? Why do you think Lalala is a policy lynch? I think that title would more appropriately go to a PB lynch, but I typically consider lurker/troll lynches as separate from policy lynches for reasons that aren't very interesting and aren't specific to this game.

[Drixx]

Posting sparingly today but reading copiously. Pain is a bad thing.

[PeregrineV]

'Leafy Seadragon'

Phycodurus eques

Vote Count 4.01

Bookitty

Boonskiies

DeltaWave

dragonspawn

Drixx

Egg

FA_Q2

House

-

RadiantCowbells

,

lalaladucks

lalaladucks

-

dragonspawn

,

Boonskiies

Prolapsed Brain

RadiantCowbells

Silverwolf

Taly

Not Voting:

Bookitty

,

DeltaWave

,

Drixx

,

Egg

,

FA_Q2

,

House

,

Prolapsed Brain

,

Silverwolf

,

Taly

Spoiler: Information

Natural Action Resolution

Natural Action Resolution

Commute - {Commuter}
Blocking - {Roleblocker > Rolestopper}
Jailkeep - {Jailkeeper}
Protection - {Doctor > Bodyguard}
Miscellaneous - {Neighborizer > Friendly Neighbor}
Kill - {Mafia factional kill = SK factional kill = Vigilante}
Role Investigation - {Cop > Gunsmith > Role Cop > Vanilla Cop}
Action Investigation - {Tracker > Watcher > Voyeur > Follower > Motion Detector}

The '>' represents internal priority between the roles.
The '=' means that internal priority between the roles is the same.
All Night Kills have the same priority/speed.

Rules OP

Link

VLA

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 4 starts now.

Deadline is 06/29/15, @10PM CT.

(expired on 2015-06-29 22:00:00)

1.00 | 1.01 | 1.02 | 1.03 | 1.04 | 1.05 | 1.06 | 1.07 | 1.08 | 1.09 | 1.10 | 1.11 | 1.12 | 1.13
Ozgin Lynch & Flip
Varsoon Death & Flip
2.00 | 2.01 | 2.02 | 2.03 | 2.04 | 2.05
Titus Lynch & Flip
T S O and Aneninen Death & Flip
3.00 | 3.01 | 3.02 | 3.03 | 3.04 | 3.05 | 3.06 | 3.07 | 3.08
Kitz Lynch & Flip
Skybird & Cheetory6 Death & Flip
4.00

[dragonspawn]

What's the deal with taly? Is he still playing or being replaced?

[PeregrineV]

What's the deal with taly? Is he still playing or being replaced?

A replacement is currently being sought (2640).

[PeregrineV]

Xtoxm replaces Taly

[FA_Q2]

FA, if Bookitty killed Anen, how would she have known that she wasn't the only one to target him? Or do you think she was guessing?

Cheet put out there he had some sort of guilty on her. At that point he either had a guilty as a cop (pointless to argue against) OR he tracked her and that meant he seen the visit. The existence of another targeting Anen is meaningless - it does not change boos defense or the read on her.

The question really is weather or not she is a VC or scum. We now know that cheets role had nothing to do with the visit at all and that the info he garnered would have looked the same either way but I still find the fact that she visited anen pretty suspicious. It is one of the few hard pieces of evidence that we actually have.