Mini 1663: Rick and Morty Mafia (Game Over)

[Elbirn]

/confirm

[Elbirn]

I am pretty sure my role is going to be linked to an anti-town so probably need to claim it out the gate. I am Mr Meeseeks... technically mod never game me a role name more than being aligned with the

good guys

.

Pretty sure it isn't stated anywhere but role pm that "town" is called "Good Guys". Rainbowdash is conftown.

Heartless attack is comical. Apparently Jingle for a scum PM that was an antagonist so he tries to invert flavor which he would at that point know is going to be proven wrong? Seems like an odd conclusion for scum to come to. I could see TOWN who got an antagonist PM come to that conclusion though.

no, he wouldn't know it was going to be proven wrong. that's the point. [the theory is pretty simple: town would already know about the dark coalition. he acted oblivious. thus he didn't know what town knew, as it wasn't public information. therefore he didn't get a town pm

I thought the point was that only scum would know about Dark Coalition? I got a town PM, it said nothing about scumteams name. Your statement is...The opposite. I thought the whole scenario was opposite, he named Dark Coalition without it being public knowledge, therefore he scum slipped.

Speaking of which

VOTE: Jingle

[Elbirn]

...Honestly I don't know, but others have already put it out there. And actually, reading back Heartless is the first person to mention "Good Guy" as the town alignment, so Rainbow Dash isn't conftown, but Heartless is. If I've pushed a boundary by explicitly pointing out, then sorry everyone.

[Elbirn]

@Elbrin - Why are you assuming scum didn't get safe claims?

Are you saying that team scum would have likely been told what the town faction name is?

MMWW/Mainez/lufan is a great pool to start lynching from. Elbirn isn't that bad either.

I can't tell if you're saying I'm not bad, as in I'm town, or I'm not bad as in I'm not a bad lynch candidate.

Anyway, no, Meds is town as fuck right now. Jingle and Mainez are clearly superior lynches. Jingle's "Oh woe is me I got quicklynch :^(" posts read fake as all hell. Mainez feigning obliviousness in 55 was also sketchy, that whole post just sucks. No one else has provided content. Slackers.

Town so far = Heartless, Rainbow, Meds
Scum = Jingle, Mainez

[Elbirn]

Anyway, so we expect 66% mafia, right?
Then the mafs are
Jingle, heartless, mainez, and RIP.

Game
Fucking
Solved.

In 4 pages.

Man I'm good.

Nah Heartless is town.

[Elbirn]

Also elbin if you think mainez and jingle are scum why u think I am too?
I almost hammered jingle and then when onto mainez. What's up man

Now where did I say you were scum?

[Elbirn]

Heartless I never said I was a newb.
I'm new in this site and pretty dissapointed at how level one players are here. It could be culture clash I guess but my god you guys are vain.

I don't know how u think I'm scum.
I voted and then moved off and then went back. I don't know his role but I'm hoping is scum.

@meds went wrong just acts like I'm bussing my partner, so he thinks we are both scum? Lol. I never buss that's for fucking losers which im sure is like a usual thing here.

VOTE: RIP

[Elbirn]

This game is slow. Can we do like mass rolename claim? I think that'd be fun.

Actually, no don't do that. Because reasons.

But if Morty could claim that'd be the tits.

[Elbirn]

Greetings!
I shall read up soon and respond by the end of the weekend.

Anything pressing I need to know while reading?

RIP and Mainez are scum. Jingle might have scumslipped. Game is very slow otherwise, everyone including you just promises to "read later". Are you Morty? If you're Morty you should claim. Not your actual role or anything, just the flavor.

[Elbirn]

Elbin why u think I'm scum?

You keep scum posting, basically. Are you Morty by chance?

[Elbirn]

Speaking of which... could you please prod... Elbirn? This game will be like pulling teeth if half the player list gets in a real lackadaisical posting stride.

I read this and was like "Ay yo buddy, I'm righ ova here", and then I realized I haven't posted since 1am of the 25th...

I'm here, and I've been reading. I just really don't know what to say. RIP is scum. Mainez looks like crap. Aristophanes and Flames need more attention, they have like 2 posts each and both of them are "lel I'll catch up laatterrr, sorry".

Scratch that, I just read up to where Aristophanes latest posts, Flames and Mainez are still turbolurking though.

@Pony- I'm not thrilled with the prospect of a MassClaim. I'm also not thrilled with the amount of SoftClaiming that's happening. Especially with Elbirn trying so hard to find Morty.

I'd like to go on the record as opposed to massclaim. I could explain why I need to find Morty if you'd like; it's really not that great of a role, but basically me and him get a bonus if I find out who he is. I'm bored so I figured I'd just put that out there and see if anything came of it, but apparently Morty doesn't like me.

[Elbirn]

@Elbirn- You keep saying that RIP is Scum, but I just looked back and I don't know why you feel that way. Elaborate, plz. While you're at it, thoughts on Kthx?

Regarding RIP:

He keeps blatantly scumposting. Lots of fluff/theory questions and idle posts with little content, often acts defensive and justifying of himself.

Also elbin if you think mainez and jingle are scum why u think I am too?
I almost hammered jingle and then when onto mainez. What's up man

This post was in response to my 96, where I don't even mention him, yet he jumps to the conclusion that I scumread him, and starts preemptively defending himself with the notion that 1. If I have scumreads then I must operate with the idea that they're a team (which is false), and 2. That scum don't bus (which is false).

139 is bad, tells the whole game/site that we're bad AND asserts that "I don't do X as scum", which is always the mother of all loaded statements. This is the post that prompted my vote in 142, and he responds with the flail that is 147, 148, 149, and then 161 where he puts me in his scum reads because I voted for him.

I think meds is mad I'm voting the person he is voting... Does that makes senses?

Clear as mud.

Also in my experience.
People who pop in like aristemedes or whatever his name is, those are the people who we need to policy lynch. I was 2000% more content and post than he does.

He makes one post with : OMG rip is scum guys I just read.

Says nothing.
No quotes.
No discussion.

This people we kill and shame and then publicly stone in post game. This is horrible but it's normal here.

Again I wanna be part of this but damn, let's get some order in here. This place is too easy for scum to run crazy and just destroy town.

Matterfact I'm willing to bet that scum is 20% more liekly to win that other 3 main forums I play on. Make that 2 actually.

God this post gives me cancer.
Justifies his own participation with "I am more content and posts than him"
Is mad that he hasn't been told why he's scum; "Scum caught for wrong reasons". etc.
Then goes on to proclaim the whole site is bad and that he is right and we are wrong.


Regarding Kthx:

Just reread his ISO. I actually quite liked his push on Jingle, it made sense, felt genuine. Then he...Went and unvoted him and backed off for, what I can tell, no reason, and the whole thing felt weird. It didn't seem like any of his points against Jingle were countered or good reason was given to think he might be town, but he just backs off.

[Elbirn]

Elbin u are wrong. Try again

I am woefully underwhelmed with your counter points.

Ok. Let's force scum to kill me since that's better than a myslinch.
Things I know based on role.

I'm aligned with good guys.

I'm a miller. If I'm investigated I will show as "dark coalition"
If there is a Obv town I can "protect them"

GL goid guys.

My vote sits on you until you're lynched or NK'd.
Like Jesus this guy just claimed miller-doctor, that sounds like a bad joke.
"Hey guys, I know I show up guilty, it's cuz miller LOL. Now don't lynch me, I'm the doctor "

Burn it with fire.

[Elbirn]

Paraphrase. Copy/paste is a modkill.

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:

Though I'd like to point out it's Abradolf Linkler.

[Elbirn]

Ok so without looking so it's just top of my head stuff.

I'm Abraham hitler. Some moral strong leader that was made by Rick I think? Or Morty whatever.
As such im a miller bodyguard (not doctor)
I can protect someone from death and will peek as dark coallision if investigated.

Actually yeah wait this sounds fake. Like, he doesn't even get the name right, but somehow knows what it is, but doesn't. I'm not voting here today but if you're still alive tomorrow you're getting lynched.

[Elbirn]

Mostly the vote parking on what's almost assuredly a dud of a wagon for a very, very tenuous reason.
lufan's lack of adaptation in posting gives me pause because that introduces the possibility he just really is that lost.

Obviously there's that pesky rule about not talking about other games in progress, but let's just say that I'm under the impression that this is just how Lufan is. He's not the kind of person I want in lylo, but I'm not very confident in him being scum. I think he's legitimately confused newbtown.

I have lufan, mainez and maybe meds as scum. Elbin suspect too

Why?

[Elbirn]

Obviously there's that pesky rule about not talking about other games in progress, but let's just say that I'm under the impression that this is just how Lufan is. He's not the kind of person I want in lylo, but I'm not very confident in him being scum. I think he's legitimately confused newbtown.

Looking through his topics, I see no justification for this.

Noting this for later consideration.

Pretty sure I'm in another game with him, right now.

[Elbirn]

Still against massclaim, and I really don't know why anyone would want to potentially out important PR's.

I unvoted after it collapsed. I just have remembered when I played, hyperlynching usually results in the death of a town player. I also believe that it's a hopeless cause to lynch someone after the wagon has collapsed, although I still sucmread you, and think it's for the best.

Seriously, though, does no one else see the cogdis here? Am I nuts?

Yeah I'm with you on this one actually.

VOTE: Lufan131

[Elbirn]

You claimed a role that is NOT provable unless you happen to target the same person scum target AND you claim to show scum if investigated. Please tell me why it's so wierd to you that you're being scum read because of it. Explain how your claim makes you conf town in anyone's eyes but your own.

So like I get where you're coming from, but we can basically just ignore him at this point. He either eats a night kill tonight, or he's alive tomorrow and we lynch him. Done, he's sorted. Court dismissed, bring out the dancin' lobstahs.

[Elbirn]

It's while I believe he's scum, the fact that if a wagon occurs too fast, it's usually built by scum against town. I want to believe he's scum even though the math says he's town.

Alright, so I get your confusion I guess. But basically you need to come to one of two conclusions.

1. Your initial read on Jingle is correct, and he is scum, and stand by that.

2. Jingle is town based on odds, and therefore at least one scum is on his wagon.

Note that I'm not saying either of these conclusions are correct, just that they are the possible conclusions from your current train of thought, based on what you've said in this post.

I've pasted the relevant vote count below. Tell us, who on the Jingle wagon do you believe to be scum?

Day 1 - VC 3

Jingle

-

Elbirn, Flames682, d3x, Lufan131, My Meds Went Wrong

L-2

Flames682

-

Jingle

Mainez

-

RIP

My Meds Went Wrong

-

Rainbowdash, hi im Yakko

Lufan131

-

Heartless

With 13 Players it take 7 to Lynch. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2015-05-11 08:13:10)

Not Voting:

prawneater, Mainez, Kthxbye

[Elbirn]

Actually you're right, RIP and Heartless have also voted for Jingle earlier in the day, before that vote count. Does that change your answer?

[Elbirn]

Uh

[Elbirn]

Oh, perhaps I should mention I have a 1-shot role? A BP vig for a night.

[Elbirn]

Now I don't even know if you're trolling or if that was actually your claim.
If you're not just driving me into my slow descent into madness, what's your flavor?

[Elbirn]

Good game, and good luck to all!

VOTE: Lufan

Why.
Why do it.

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:

Fuck this, I'm Jessica. My role is that I have two shots to target someone at night. If I target Morty,

Or someone who appears to be Morty

, they and I get a private thread. Basically equivalent to neighbors.

Italicized is important. I was thinking about holding that bit back, maybe I could do something with it, but hell with it, transparency. I take it to mean that either scum have some really legit method of fakeclaiming, or someone has a role that can disguise themselves as another person, or maybe alt universe evil-Morty is a role here.

[Elbirn]

Just reread role pm, specifically calls it a "neighborhood", can communicate at night.

[Elbirn]

There are benefits to a massclaim but don't fucking do it on the first day.

So

What you're saying is, you're not Morty? ;_;

[Elbirn]

elbrin is also incredibly town from the claim

Italicized is important. I was thinking about holding that bit back, maybe I could do something with it, but hell with it, transparency. I take it to mean that either scum have some really legit method of fakeclaiming, or someone has a role that can disguise themselves as another person, or maybe alt universe

evil-Morty is a role here

.

i think this is the most likely thing here (and that fits "coalition of evil" to a t). in this case it makes a TOOOOON of sense to want morty to claim because effectively you would be a cop that gets a guilty on one scum.

(also, rainbowdash, if you're looking for a controller, this might be your guy. evil-morty i mean.)

Pretty much. The way I look at it, if anyone here is actually Morty, and is town, then they need to claim immediately and be cop investigated tonight, if we have one. If no one claims today, and I manage to form a neighborhood with anyone, then that person is confscum.

[Elbirn]

Sorry I'm not here. Will have post Wednesday.

I am against massclaim because it's D1, because it is shitty to the mod, and because I enjoy gameplay more than game solving.
Why are we pushing this so?

So are you claiming Morty or what?

[Elbirn]

I for one don't understand why he's not a "Voyeur" instead of a "Watcher".

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: hi im Yakko

[Elbirn]

Ty for the chart there KJ.

So, whoever Morty is, he's confscum. I could have seen getting a Morty claim today, believing it because what scum would out themselves on purpose, deciding that the "evil morty" hint in the role pm was a false trail, and then having a neighbor for the rest of the game. That didn't happen. So, I get a two shot chance to figure out who Morty is, and Kthx is a 1 shot name cop. That's 3 attempts at outing Morty.

I can't think of a single reason why Jerry would be a negative utility inventor, but that would make perfect sense for a role for Mr. Needful. Who, being Satan, would obviously be scum. Couple that with the etc. etc. on lynching him earlier today, and I think that's a good lynch.

Yakko's claim sucks too, particularly since he lied about being weak watcher when he was motion detector.

Mainez, I can't think of a reason why Summer would be a jailkeeper. I can't think of a reason why Summer would be a role here because jesus she's boring.

I think we need to pick one of these 3 to lynch, and one of the other two to be my morty target. And I think, honestly, that kthx should use his name target on RIP. If he is in fact Lincler, would anyone else believe his claim? Because if his name is actually Lincler I would believe that he's a miller bodyguard honestly.

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Jingle

[Elbirn]

wait I wanna try something for a minute

VOTE: Jingles

Elbirn can you come here

VOTE: Jingle

Sooooo.....?

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Yakko

[Elbirn]

Oh balls we needed to discuss targets fuuu

Okay so I'm going to use my Morty role cop on...Idk who. I don't want Jingle because he's obviously Mr. Needful, RIP I think I believe he's lincler.

I'm gonna Morty-cop Aristophanes. If I die tonight, Aristo is scum.

[Elbirn]

I think I hammered though?

[Elbirn]

Hey so I changed my mind, can I Morty-cop Mainez? Or does (insert name-cops screenname here) want to do it? I'm feeling Summer is a fakeclaim.

[Elbirn]

I targeted Mainez last night. I didn't get a PM of any kind, so I take it that means that Mainez is not Morty.

Was RIP a vig kill?

[Elbirn]

@Elbirn ask the mod for a PM for clarification please, I don't want anything inaccurate from a mod error.

Done

[Elbirn]

...Didn't RIP hate me? Why would he bodyguard me?

[Elbirn]

@Elbirn ask the mod for a PM for clarification please, I don't want anything inaccurate from a mod error.

Done

KiwiEagle confirmed to me through PM that yes, my ability failed. Mainez is therefore not Morty, or, paraphrasing from role PM, does not appear to be.

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Flames682

Am I doing it right?

[Elbirn]

Yeah I didn't even pick up on the fact that I was supposed to eat a night kill, I somehow got "scum targeted rip for nk" and "rip bodyguarded Me" into my head, and yet didn't connect the dots to "scum actually targeted me".

[Elbirn]

Yeah I mean I'm not the best at this game, and I'll admit to not 100% having my head in it, but Flames is pretty much confscum. I'm not adverse to quicklynching him and moving this game forward.

Speaking of which, in like 3-4 weeks I'm probably going to not have internet because tumultuous life changes. I mean I'll phone post as able but yeah. If it turns out to be too awful I'll replace out when the time comes, but doing so would feel like utter dogshit because I've never flaked and I never intend to.

[Elbirn]

Won't lufan get possibly night killed though?

[Elbirn]

I'm here. Nothing to say really. Frankly I've been waiting for us to just lynch Flames.

[Elbirn]

Sorry for being a lurksack. I've gotta be honest the whole "break the setup" thing isn't very fun. Someone tell me who I'm supposed to Morty-cop tonight pls.

[Elbirn]

I'll admit I haven't been paying attention to this game but can someone point me to where Kthx is scum, cuz I didn't get that impression at all.

[Elbirn]

Yeah I kinda feel like RBD is going "Okay raise your hand if you're against this", and then no one raises their hand due to apathy, and then RBD goes "K see everyone agrees with me it's decided we do what I say".

I don't want Kthx dead and I think not disclosing whether or not his ability was X-shot is kinda irrelevant and not really worth saying he lied.

Lufan should vig Killer Jester.

[Elbirn]

Oh and if we don't lynch Flames today I'm replacing out. Like, holy shit can we do this already, why are there votes leaving him.

[Elbirn]

There's also the part where scum might have a roleblocker and will use that if we announce that we're targeting one of them.

[Elbirn]

*Wakes up, burps, scratches self*

So, thoughts on me going insane and Morty-copping RainbowDash?

[Elbirn]

Nah, you should hit KJ or Aristophanes. They're p scum.

[Elbirn]

Friendly reminder that if Flames isn't bullshitting and flips town, that means that either...

1. Heartless didn't target Flames last night
2. Heartless targeted Flames, but Rick swapped places with him,

killing heartless because he's scum

Carry on.

[Elbirn]

*Wakes up, burps, scratches self*

So, thoughts on me going insane and Morty-copping RainbowDash?

Stupid as hell. Next question.

You know, a controllable minion makes a lot of sense as "Morty" as well as "Mr. Meeseeks".

[Elbirn]

Morty-copped Aristophanes. I was either roleblocked or Aristophanes is not Morty.

[Elbirn]

We already know that scum have a bus driver in existence. I'll explain why. Heartless died. Heartless tends to be a better player. So Heartless heals scum OR his target was swapped so he would heal scum. Heartless claimed he would heal Flames. We know Flames was town. So that means either Heartless lied for absolutely no reason, or Heartless submitted that he would heal Flames and scum bussed it. I'm going to suppose that Heartless wasn't just an asinine liar.

I intended to jail killer jester.
We had a vig, who had intentions of shooting last night, but didn't reveal the target. He hinted at shooting RBD but was leaving it up in the air. If scum feared someone shooting them, they would take all actions targeting them and redirect them to another target. So I'm seeing Killer Jester being swapped with either lufan or RBD. No one was aware of my intentions to jail Killer Jester, but I believe Killer Jester is lying about being blocked. It is the most logical sense of action results here.

Part 1: Pretty much matches with what I was thinking by Day 2's end, where if Flames flipped town then D3x, as the busdriver, had to be scum. Except then he died and flipped town. What's got me confused is why would scum kill D3x when he could have been lynched today based on that, and instead they revealed that they have to have a busdriver?

Part 2: See this doesn't make sense, you jail kept Jester, but you think he's lying about being blocked. Wha?

[Elbirn]

If Scum busser swapped KJ with Lufan, then you would have jailkept Lufan. Which makes sense as there wasn't a kill last night.
If Scum busser swapped KJ with Rainbowdash, then you would have jailkept Rainbowdash. Which makes sense as there wasn't a kill last night.

In either scenario KJ should have a result.

Waaaaiiiit, I had to brainstorm out loud in order to get it. But it's bullshit, because KJ's claimed role is that he predicts who the next lynch target is. He doesn't *have* a result to claim, he told the mod that he predicts Kthx dies today, which he stated in thread. Where's the beef?

[Elbirn]

Yeah totally not buying the random unstoppable act from RBD. He has this role, yet does not factor it into his scenarios...

Also, why wasn't RBD vanillaized if he had that role?

She claims she was

[Elbirn]

Aristo/Jingle/RBD

I think that is the scum team.

Titus is town, her analysis makes sense, and I'm gonna sheep her. Kbai.

VOTE: Jingle

For the record I hate to do this but there is a strong possiblity of me having to replace out. I'm in the process of being evicted, basically, and while I'm couchsurfing at my paw's idk how internet access is going to work, plus the internet not really being a top priority when I'm trying to find an apartment. Yeahh. Sorry. We'll see what happens?

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: KillerJester

[Elbirn]

At the moment I'm thinking KJ submitted the nightkill, and you jailkept him. D3X the busdriver swapped himself with RBD, who Lufan targeted for a kill.

[Elbirn]

Wait, haven't we (you) determined that there *must* be a scum redirector?

If yes
Scum redirected Lufan's vig shot off of RBD (why?) and onto Titus
D3x swapped with Titus
Titus Jailkept KJ, who submitted the mafia NK

Hence,

KJ = scum
Titus = Town
RBD = maybe scum, blabla *insert drivel about WIFOM here*

[Elbirn]

So I'm borderline homeless as of now. I'm one of those whimsical homeless men who own a phone. How quaint!

So yeah, team scum, be a peach and night kill me tonight, I'm conftown anyway. I'll make it through this day phase phoneposting. Votes already on scum. Les do dis.

[Elbirn]

Killerjester is scum titus, stop talking to him.

[Elbirn]

I really wish I were on a computer so rainbow dash and I could adequately discuss how stupid everything aristophanes just said was. At least she got it with dat last post.

Like, shit ari, you're telling me team scum told you to vanillaize 2 of them, and then the last scum is a bus driver role cop, and it's me or kthx because *insert fart noise here*

And then you go from wanting to no lynch, to wanting to vote me or kthx, to then voting rainbowdash because *insert louder fart noise*

You and Kj are ignored until game is over and I take my game face off and we all become friends and smile and eat internet cake and have happy good times together because I love you all regards me.

[Elbirn]

For the record, we are not no lynching. Fucking no. Set aside the fact that we have two caught scum. There is a fucking votestealer in play. I'm pretty sure this is actually lylo. Someone else can do the mathz. I think there's 8 alive? 3 scum, and a vote less Townie? If we no lynch, then there's nightkill, 7 alive. 3 scum votes versus 3 town votes = scum can force no lunch = scum wins.

Regardless, I die tonight. All the no lynch accomplished then was town having one less vote (mine).

Like, comeon.

[Elbirn]

Flames did j believe?

Also it hasn't been mentioned, and I can't recall the post, but at some point there was a mod error where I was listed as dead and rip as alive. As sleazy as it is to use that as an argument , it still happened.

[Elbirn]

Yes. It's Jingle RBD Ari.

We lynch that pool or no lynch.

I'm a little confused how you've got that conclusion, and admittedly nar analysis makes my eyes glaze over. I'm down for an ari lynch. I still think the simplest explanation here is that kj was scum who submitted the nk and you Roleblocked him, so he's my preference. Ari is pretty clearly scum. My tinfoil hat theory is that rbd is actually morty and I regret not copping her, but I'm not lynching her today frankly. She's either 2town2day for me to consider, or she'll help us bus her partner ari. I'll be dead tomorrow so luckily I don't have to puzzle her out.

The third, if not rbd, is jingle by poe I guess.

Kj
ari
jingle
rbd

That's the order I prefer to lynch in.

[Elbirn]

Stupid auto sign in phone.

Point holds

Game face off, now that I know rbd = alt, it is absolutely delightful that rbd is just an alt you use for lulz

[Elbirn]

Wait guys listen to this.

The sheer numbers willing to lynch Aris lead me to believe he's actually town.

Shocker right?

Scum don't bus guys
kj said so

[Elbirn]

MyLo is mislynch and lose
LyLo is lynch or lose

Obviously a mislynch in either scenario will end the game, but the distinct difference being MyLo can afford to no-lynch to slightly narrow down the mislynch possibility and LyLo cannot.

@Titus: My impression was people were not voting because of LOLQUICKHAMMERS until a general consensus is agreed upon.
@Elbirn: Please. You're assuming Kthx is town, so why would scum bus when town can't secure majority? You're contradicting yourself.

8 alive, 5 town 3 scum
5 to lynch
kthx has no vote
if kthx is town, then the game is already over.

...

The game is not already over, therefore kthx is scum or lying.

Shit what the fuck

[Elbirn]

That or...the vote stealer is town?

[Elbirn]

Alright so vote stealer is town, or there is no vote stealer and kthx (jerry right?) Just tripped and fell on his face and can't vote anymore.

If all town players vote for someone, and that person is scum, they will not be lynched because that would require a scum bus which won't happen.

If all town players vote for someone and that person is town, we lose.

If we no lynch were in the same situation tomorrow and can't win.

Either the game is already over and mod is a bastards for not ending it, or vote stealer is town and we should just vote for aristophanes and hope for the best.

UNVOTE: killerjester

[Elbirn]

For the record this theory relies on Jerry's unspecified negative utility being him losing his vote, but then I don't even know what use his role was or what it did and idfk dude

[Elbirn]

I think kthx claimed jerry as a role

Or was it jingle

Fuck

Just tell me where to vote and when

[Elbirn]

Jingle if you're the vote stealer and youre toen then you have 2 votes today and we can jn fact get majority...soooo

[Elbirn]

Rbd how come you have this beautiful argument for lynching kthx going on that makes me want him deader than hitler, and then you say we should lynch kj?

[Elbirn]

Oh nvm kthx is scum role cop and you want a dead redirector.

Are you so certain that the redirector is kj, and not ari?

[Elbirn]

VOTE: kthx

[Elbirn]

Why would it? If there's no morty than I'm effectively vanilla, and it seems there'd be plenty of room for a role cop in town if that's the case.

[Elbirn]

Friendly reminder that we have 4 days to lynch scum-kthx. I'll compromise on scum-ari but I'd really rather we not split the wagons here. Everyone on kthx pls.

[Elbirn]

Also, it's worth noting that there hasn't been a quickhammer. Meaning either kthx is scum or Aristo is. Or both, I suppose.

Actually, no.

It means either Kthx or someone on his wagon is scum.
And
That either myself or someone on my wagon is scum.

If there is a scum with a vote already on either or on both wagon, they would not have the numbers to quichlynch.
Alternately, if everyone on my wagon is town, as am I, then Kthnx is scum and thus they can't quicklynch.
(This all assuming you removed his vote but did not gain an extra one).

Think about the full picture Jingle.
That was just lazy.

No.

I'm town. Titus can only be scum if kthx is. One of you and kthx is scum. Could be both. One of kthx and RBD is scum too. I just didn't realize he was L-3.

If we had a mislynch to spare, I'd say we should hit kthx.

Can you explain all of this dichotomy bs? Thanks.

[Elbirn]

RBD, good scum have good narratives. In Signs and Void, I left myself a VTish fakeclaiming in my narrative. People bought it but for singer.

Hi titus. So here's the thing.

1. @ the above post: I'm not good scum. I know that's not an argument. I know it's a loaded statement and a biased one at that. But I'm not good scum.

2. Rip the bodyguard was tracked by flames to me on the night he died. Flames is confirmed town by his death. I can't see a reason for rip to be the nk target when he was mislynch bait and a claimed miller at that. The only reason would be for some kind of wifom that only works if flames tracks rip to a scum, and then announces it. That plan would suck because it gives town a confirmed Townie if rip *doesnt* target scum, which is what happened here, and if flames doesn't target rip then it doesn't work at all. There are too many "ifs" here for it to be a scum plan. Rip bodyguarded Me and I was the nightkill target.

3. This is confirmed by kiwis mod error in which I was listed as dead and rip as alive, which was hastily corrected.

So basically the only way I am scum is if I have the skill to pull off a risky ploy, and then nightkilled mislynch bait in hopes that it wiuld conftown me based on things out of my control, and that the mod error does not confirm that rip bodyguarded me, which it does.

[Elbirn]

How does Aris flip cement rbd as town or scum? If ari is scum, he could have cooperated with town by targeting a town-rbd or a town-jingle no?

[Elbirn]

Crap that was directed at titus last post on the previous page

[Elbirn]

Not certain I understand your musings titus. Aris vote read like a bad bus to me.

[Elbirn]

Not certain I understand your musings titus. Aris vote read like a bad bus to me.

I know this is #WiFoM but if I were scum, bussing would be dumb.
I would either take the bullet or draw the nolynch by continuing on RBD.

What possible good would bussing do?
I'm not gonna get town cred.
I'm still gonna be "confscum" to RBD and possibly Titus, among strong reads from others.
It would do me zero good to bus right now.
But okay, see whatever you like.

This is the most confscum I have been without actually being scum, like, ever.

If kthx is scum, a lynch of all 5 town on the wagon would be possible. Not probable mind you but possible. This would make the 2 off wagon look really, really bad. Someone on kthx wagon is going to be scum, there's no way both partners would just ignore the wagon. You could be the bussing scum mate.

Course if kthx is town the game is already over and we're all wasting our time, as a bus would be required to lynch scum and scum wouldn't bus when they could force a no lunch and win. Tho the fact that this hasn't happened pretty much means he's scum.

Regardless of your alignment your vote is exactly where it should be, so gj.

[Elbirn]

[/Unvote]

[Elbirn]

Uhh

UNVOTE:

[Elbirn]

...so either aristophanes is lying about vanillaizing jingle, or the vote stealer is someone else?

[Elbirn]

Okay, cool.

And I hate to keep rehashing everything when I'm sure it's all already been discussed and I'm sorry, but I'm really confused and need this dumbed down.

Why does lufan kill being blocked mean that he or rbd is scum?

[Elbirn]

Alright, but none of that leads to rbd scum. It leads to kthx or lufan scum. It also doesn't account for scum redirector.

(Sorry to hear about your friend, hope all is well)

[Elbirn]

No. You are the bus driver.
Ari did not vanillaize.
Jingle is vote thief.

That theory works with the facts. It is possible that theory is wrong. Ari is scum to me under either theory.

I just don't see a world where the entire scum team outed themselves with a stupid vanillaizer gambit. Like, if ari flips anything but town vanilliaizer, and it's gg.

I've made it pretty clear I'll take a kthx or an ari lunch today. We can't no lynch, if that happens were just putting ourselves in a shittier situation.

[Elbirn]

VOTE: kthx

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:

Wait hang on

If kthx is telling the truth
Then d3x is confirmed for swapping with titus.

If d3x swapped with titus
and lufan is telling the truth about his target
then rbd is only not dead due to scum interference.

If kthx is lying
Then d3x swapped with rbd, kthx lies to set up rbd, scum either no killed or targeted killer jester?

If lufan is lying
...why is he lying?

Zzzzzzz

[Elbirn]

^ and yet kthx telling the truth pretty much clears you. If he is town, we must assume he tells the truth, therefore you're town. And in addition him telling the truth means that rbd is scum.

If he's scum, what's his motivation for including you in his story? If you're town, why did he clear a townie? To set up rbd as scum? If you think rbd is scum, Why would he do that to a scum buddy?

Tldr I don't think I explained myself very well but if you're town titus than at least one of those two are town to you

[Elbirn]

(That post was in regards to your "you two aren't on the same side as me" quip)

[Elbirn]

Ah, misunderstood. Carry on.

[Elbirn]

i'm back, baby.

Vote Count 3.4

Aristophanes - 2 (Titus, Jingle)
kthnxbye - 2 (Rainbowdash, Elbrin)
Rainbowdash - 1 (Aristophanes)

No Lynch - 2 (killerjester, lufan131)

Not Voting: Kthxbye

lufan131 has been prodded again.

5 to lynch.
deadline is in (expired on 2015-06-20 13:02:52)

Changes since this post: lufan voted aristophanes at titus urgings, Aristophanes voted kthx, i unvote kthx.

Unofficial vote count

Aristophanes - 3 (titus, jingle, lufan)
Kthxbye - 2 (rainbowdash, Aristophanes)
No Lynch - 1 (killer jester)

Not Voting: kthxbye, Elbirn

Aristophanes has been at l-2 for several days. No hammer. why isn't he dead?

We have 22 hours to lynch and I'm about ready to vote ari unless someone wants to convince me otherwise.

[Elbirn]

VOTE: aristophanes

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Aristophanes

I fucked up didn't I

[Elbirn]

Ari just tell us, are you scum?

[Elbirn]

Also, if ari flips scum, and I die tonight, remember that rbd is morty.

[Elbirn]

@rbd, k you right that came off wrong.

I do not have a guilty on rbd.
I'm just saying I believe she is morty.

[Elbirn]

Yeah I was two shot, used up. Unless I got Roleblocked? Either way I'll try to submit an action, can't hurt.

Rbd you suggesting to me that kthx target you is just lol

[Elbirn]

If I have a shot, why would me doing the target ever not be the best option? I'm ME. I don't have to worry about me lying to myself, or any of you for that matter because I'm conftown. I'm also functionally only able to find morty. I was born to target you, trained for years in the sacred art of morty detection. Truly it is my calling.

If kthx targets you, he could be a liar, hell he could even not target you, or he could be your scum buddy and make up some bullshit. Like every part of your suggestion is pure inefficient whatthefuck that does not make any sense from anyone's perspective

[Elbirn]

yep, aristophanes is town and the scum team of jingle, killerjester, and kthnxbye win the game

gg to all. except jingle. that guy sucks.

I should really stop playing this game, I consistently singlehandedly lose games for my faction.

Goodbye everyone, I'll remember you all in therapy!

[Elbirn]

Yeah I don't disagree at all with the rationale that rbd could still be manipulated. The vanillaize needed to be on kj to stop that.

[Elbirn]

Lol what a horrible team.
How was jingle alive so late? Wow
We lost this game the moment I protected elbirn and died. Not sure if I was targeted or I stopped the kill with my death.
<MVP town.

You are not an enjoyable person for the record.