Mini 1685: BooneyToonz II - Looney Tunes

[T S O]

Your friendly neighbourhood TSO has checked in.

[T S O]

So, Dolittle is an Innocent Child. Sweet.

[T S O]

pisskop, who's your #1 scum suspect?

[T S O]

why?

[T S O]

Do you think him being your Neighbour makes him more likely to be scum?

[T S O]

Yes, but he's scummy without it.

I haven't read the game yet, but can you elaborate on why being Neighbour = likelier scum? Because that interests me right now.

[T S O]

Pisskop's scum, and the only thing that he says that actually makes any sense from a town perspective is critisizing me for not playing like my town self in previous games. That is intentional, as I have a 6/8 lynch precentage in previous games, and a 3/8 Day 1 lynch precentage.

What have you intentionally adjusted about your towngame here?

[T S O]

I hope for your sake that these adjustments do not magically align with your scumgame, my dear.

[T S O]

Hey, TSO, can you save me from the nothing I've become?
Y'know.
Wake me up inside.
Save meeee.

Of course.

@TSO

1. you as well as I would perfer to lynch inside a neighborhood. I wanna lynch inside my own, all other things being equal.
2. Compare Zeb's play here to any of my games with him. open 592, Open 597, and Mini 1648. In 592 I was scum so I got to see him in a different perspective.
3. His play today has been low content, stating of 'safe' or 'obvious' stances, and lacking any real content that, no matter what happens, can be used to tie him to any particular stance or opinion. His play has been lacking strong stances.
4. He's apparently not been reading. Several times now he's erroneously falsely attribuited actions to me or been wrong about the order of events, which have then been used to push his flaccid scumread upon me.
5. In the neighborhood I got a scummier feeling from him than Anen.

I need to actually read this later.

Insulting people and not including reasons to back it up is worthy of a PL

Let me stop you right there. It's not.

vote: Varsoon

let's do it then. the people on your PK wagon are bad.

I like this and I like epm for town right now.

VOTE: T S O

oh, molla.

I could lynch EPM.

I also think pk is town

I think we need more from you.

[T S O]

Definitely at least one scum on the pisskop push.

Also kinda think pisskop is town for his "fuck you you are so bad" demeanour around then which is very town.

[T S O]

Dolittle you have 1 day in this game and that's it. You should really try to vomit some content soon to leave some sort of impact on the game.

[T S O]

Zebulin, Salamence20, RadiantCowbells, Varsoon, BlueBloodedToffee

Unfortunately, this seems like it will be difficult to distil any further.

[T S O]

RadiantCowbells' play is obviously atrocious but I genuinely don't understand half of it. She seems to have extremely short-term memory loss, in relation to pisskop in particular.

Not going to waste my time.

[T S O]

Um, Molla is town from the shit wagon on him also?

[T S O]

Nobody in this game has really towned at all. It's really fucking unhelpful.

[T S O]

I remember nailing Varsoon-scum pretty hard recently and I'm not sure this is it.

[T S O]

Why do you think BBT is scum?

I'm willing to be lenient; I don't really think you're scum and I could do with some backup here.

[T S O]

General lack of focus that I expect from town that really wants to push out a scum lynch,
BBT seems to kinda push whatever's working and look worked up about it,
There was some misrepping and trying really hard to make a case on me earlier that relied on a lot of the sensationalism going on after it came out I lied about the mason thing.

This is the most interesting thing I've heard all game. Can you quote some of this?

[T S O]

Personally, I do think RC can play mafia.

I KNOW FOR A FACT PK CANT. AT ALL.

The first time I played with pisskop, he and I won a perfect victory as scum.
Second time, he pegged Nacho and I, the scumteam, d2, and proceeded to go full-guns-blazing ahead in trying to get us lynched. He didn't, but it was excellent play.
Third time, he was scum and flew completely under the radar d1 before getting shot n1 by the SK, me.

He can play Mafia. Spouting this rhetoric does no good and is an easy smokescreen to disguise you not actually playing the game.

Why are you sheeping me if I'm wrong so often?

Where have you seen me be so wrong?

It's deflections like this--rather than just moving into a defensive mode, BBT immediately says 'Well you've been sheeping my scummy/wrong play."
The second line is a wild-goose chase. I see scum do this shit all the time to drag out games. They're always, "SHOW ME WHERE THAT HAPPENED."
and then when you take the several minutes to quote something

everyone can ISO and see anyway

, they just deflect more and waste even more time.
It's a pain in the ass.

I agree. I still need you to do it, Varsoon. Do it for me. His reaction isn't what I'm looking for.

VOTE: pisskop

Counter-wagon.

PEdit - I'd join you but replacing out really isn't my thing.

That's a bad vote.

[T S O]

Zebulin's logic isn't particularly hard to understand. I fail to see your issue, looking past the fact that you're the player in question.

[T S O]

the issue is why is he saying i'm scum when i'm under his null list, and he even said that i haven't done anything scummy

i don't get this logic

Zebulin has two scum suspects. It's a three-man team, so one other player has to be scum. Taking them from the null pile, he thinks it's you rather than anyone else who's null. This is illustrated by you being on the far right on the null section and closest to the scumpile.

[T S O]

Mainez, are you an alt?

[T S O]

Just curious.

What do you still feel is fishy about it?

[T S O]

I probably need to do some reading, both of the game in general and stuff like pisskop/Varsoon's cases. Later.

[T S O]

Zebulin has two scum suspects. It's a three-man team, so one other player has to be scum. Taking them from the null pile, he thinks it's you rather than anyone else who's null. This is illustrated by you being on the far right on the null section and closest to the scumpile.

Wait-oh. Zebulin posted a scumteam like "Pisskop RadiantCowbells Mainez". TSO mentioned a three-man team. Am I the only one who has absolutely no idea how many scums and how many scum factions are there?

Yeah. I really, really don't like this as a post. It's textbook posturing scum.

[T S O]

I'm gonna have a look through your games tomorrow - if I see anything that looks remotely like you have knowledge of three-man being standard as scum in a Mini, I want your ass dead.

[T S O]

It gets worse and worse every time I look at it.

The thing is that I'm almost 100% sure, even without checking, that somewhere and somehow Aneninen -did- acquire that knowledge. But I could still see town-Aneninen trying to posture because that's basically the kind of player he is.

I think it's more likely to come from scum though.

[T S O]

I thought three-man 13 player scumteams were standard in 13 player games, and Mainez was the scummiest of the null reads.

T S O, why do you see Aneninen's 1126 as scummy? I thought that was common knowledge.

Everything you're saying in your post is correct. In fact, just like you said, it's common knowledge that Aneninen would have. That he's faking a lack of it is pinging me pretty hard.

[T S O]

Salamence, if you find yourself unable to keep your play game-related, you can replace. You don't seem particularly invested anyway.

[T S O]

Was that a lynch?

[T S O]

I leave you guys alone for 2 days...

[T S O]

This chain of events doesn't make any sense from Salamence-town, unless I have grossly overestimated his ability as a mafia player.

VOTE: Salamence20

[T S O]

What do you think happened last night?

[T S O]

Because what we're being expected to believe here is that

Salamence decided to, instead of blocking the IC, try to block a member of the scumteam. Which is fine.
His top scum suspect is pisskop, so presumably he would block there. Which is also fine.
My issue with this is that I basically don't think pisskop would be sent to do the kill. I think that the risk of Salamence being a maverick and blocking him would be too great.

So, if scum targeted Dolittle, then Salamence is scum in my book.
Thinking this through... I'm not sure that's the case anymore.

If pisskop tried to kill Salamence, then that's a different story, and pisskop becomes scum.

[T S O]

Either scum didn't kill, which is possible, pisskop was saved from death, or pisskop was stopped from killing.

[T S O]

I am starting to think more and more that Dolittle was targeted, because bluntly, he doesn't really offer any positive utility to town outside of IC status.

[T S O]

*wasn't.

So, if scum shot Salamence, then pisskop is scum. Alternatively, NK WIFOM.

[T S O]

Yeah.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Aneninen

[T S O]

I'm townreading pisskop on play. I also don't think pisskop as scum claims an investigative role to one player in his hood n1. If pisskop's town, then Salamence blocked the kill, and that leads to Aneninen-scum ordering the hit.

[T S O]

Either scum didn't kill, which is possibl

ehh no

It's a legitimate strategy, especially in a situation like this.

[T S O]

Oh my fucking god

[T S O]

BBT, are you fucking retarded? This is a serious question, meant as offensively as possible. You and Salamence shouldn't be allowed on the Internet by yourselves.

[T S O]

Thoroughly unconvincing, Anen.

vote: Aneninen

minorly shit

VOTE: Anen

majorly shit

VOTE: anen

Whatever.

If you are town, you're horrible.

[T S O]

Playing with you people is cancerous.

[T S O]

No, we didn't.

[T S O]

Your bullshit of "we lynched scum" is atrociously bad. You're scum, in which case you're not retarded. That's just Salamence.

[T S O]

Yeah, I'm done here. We're chain lynching pisskop and you after this.

[T S O]

Lol. TSO's outrage is even more delicious with his vote

Vote was entirely justified until Aneninen posted. I wasn't on to change it, and the resident idiots were.

PEdit - We're not lynching me. I guarantee it.

nah

[T S O]

molla, I really don't know if you're scum #3, but we're lynching piss and BBT next. You're with me?

[T S O]

Yeah, seriously, you're welcome to try though.

It's not particularly a challenge, though?

Are you going to say why Anen is town or....

No. I'm not indulging you further.

[T S O]

...what the fuck...

[T S O]

I think I want to do something quixotic here and vote EPM or something.

[T S O]

I'm not committing to anything until I step the fuck back from this game.

[T S O]

VOTE: Salamence

Can you justify this in full, please? I want to see your thought process.

[T S O]

VOTE: Salamence

Can you justify this in full, please? I want to see your thought process.

*proceeds to do absolutely nothing*

[T S O]

*puts head in hands*

[T S O]

I've hated BBT's play the entire game.
Varsoon has gone from "hey, I'll work with you!" to "maybe he's scum."
Mainez has gone from "I want to talk to you!" to "he's probably scum."

The entire game is lynching Salamence and I'm not sure I even disagree with it but there is incredible speed in the wagon, and a notable lack of resistance, which signals huge alarm bells. I'm trying to get people to openly state why this wagon is so great and literally no-one is doing it.

There is not one person here I can conclusively townread.

[T S O]

Yeah.

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

[T S O]

I am also beginning to come around to Mainez-scum.

[T S O]

Varsoon is, unfortunately, probably town. I'm not going to lie, Varsoon, I'm pretty disappointed.

[T S O]

Can we get Salamence off fucking L-1 before someone hammers it? Please?

[T S O]

BBT/Mainez feels kinda concrete and I'm probably going to be pushing that today. BBT first, though.

[T S O]

Yes, what a speed wagon of one vote. While half of the speed wagon are voting the bigger speed wagon, and another player is mod-confirmed town. Wow.

[T S O]

You want to explain why Salamence is such a great vote? You told us recently it wasn't even worth thinking about, so it must be pretty convincing.

[T S O]

no actually i have a feeling like i'll be killed tonight (saying this makes it even more likely that i'll die).

stop asking why i'm so confident you're scum. you're scum full stop.

i have 2 papers to take today and i'll think about whether i should say what i know.

urm since there's a confirmed town, DrDolittle, should i? lol you're the only person i can seek advice from lol

This game.

[T S O]

Inclined to believe Mainez.

[T S O]

Also, I think at least one person was powerbussing Sala.

[T S O]

And it's probably BBT.

[T S O]

That's nice.

What part of my logic do you disagree with?

[T S O]

Let me make it clear.

You come into Day 3, with no kill. Either Salamence was blocked, in which case he's going to be revealed as scum, or his target was blocked, in which case he'll be revealed as scum by virtue of lying. So, no matter what, Salamence is going down today.

You can either incriminate yourself by defending him, remain neutral by not taking a side, or powerbus him for towncred. As scum, you obviously don't want to incriminate yourself, and towncred is always better than no towncred. So, you pretty mindlessly bus, knowing you'll be proved right in the end.

So, we can assume that scum were bussing Salamence. In which case, we have to ask who had the least legitimate reasons for voting Salamence. For example, you. Your reasons were extremely mediocre. That's not what incriminates you, though. In general, reasons for voting Salamence were mediocre. Your huge level of confidence despite a lack of reasons to have confidence is what does. Your confidence seemed notably unfounded to me, both when I asked you for your reasons, and when I received them.

[T S O]

Darling, if you have no actual rebuttal to what I posted, you can just say it.

[T S O]

TSO IS FUCKINNG STUPID.

Why do you think Mainez felt the need to counterclaim you? AtE won't work here. Display some hard logic or die like the scumfuck you are.

Darling, if you have no actual rebuttal to what I posted, you can just say it.

I just responded to what you said.

No, you didn't. You took a different incident which you feel you look good in and spoke about it. That's a classic scum play. I use it myself.

I have just shown how, in a recent situation, you display zero town motivation and all the scum intent in the world. That you cannot respond to this, by speaking the truth, as a town player would, speaks volumes about your alignment.

[T S O]

Because she's inexperienced and made a poor play.

What would actually be a "fucking stupid" play, would be for Mainez to counterclaim the player half the game wants dead, who has been sitting at L-1 for the last few days, when it sets her up as dead tomorrow, when she's been under fairly minimal pressure up until this point.

[T S O]

I'm not wasting my time responding to this further unless you can make a convincing argument against my point. Holding down your Caps Lock isn't going to do anything.

[T S O]

If both jailkeeper are real we basically lose btw

I'm willing to take that chance.

[T S O]

I'm on page 72 THIS GAME IS SUCH A CLUSTERFUCK I HATE IT

[T S O]

What's the point in trying to scumhunt with this set-up?

[T S O]

Varsoon, is this a gambit?

[T S O]

And why didn't you reveal your n1 target if it is?

[T S O]

*isn't

[T S O]

This game makes my head hurt.

[T S O]

What you're saying doesn't make sense, Varsoon.

[T S O]

You're claiming role-but-not-alignment cop, yeah?

[T S O]

I don't understand why you're saying "Mainez is not this" when it seems to make far more sense with your claim to say "Mainez is this".

I think you need to completely fullclaim.

[T S O]

I'm at page 74. Hammer the fuck out of Salamence if he's not dead already. He's scum.

[T S O]

I am actually really pissed off in real life. This is frustrating. Pisskop is so ovbiously anti-town, I'm obviouly pro-town, and I'm at L-1.

Town Neighbor with Pisskop and Aneninan.

Mainez isn't mentioned here.

[T S O]

So, Mainez -isn't- in that neighbourhood. In fact, I don't think Mainez is in any neighbourhood.

[T S O]

VOTE: Salamence

Just die.

[T S O]

These fucking neighbourhood claims, though.

Anen/piss/Zeb

???

RC apparently lied, BBB did lie, massive and molla ...?

[T S O]

Kinda like Varsoon's stuff on this page and the last?

[T S O]

I feel like stabbing myself for admitting it.

[T S O]

Also, Salamence trying to rush a Mainez lynch by using caps is scum as fuck. People voting Mainez, you're bad.

[T S O]

Varsoon is either scum or a fucking idiot.

[T S O]

Varsoon, is this a gambit?

This was the point where you stopped the gambit and came clean.

[T S O]

Or should have.

VOTE: Varsoon

Willing to agree with BBT here.

[T S O]

What benefits do I have as scum in playing as I did? No matter what happens I come out of it looking bad, I'd just fucking avoid looking bad and bus the fuck out of Salamence dude.

QFT. Scum bussed Salamence and they did it hard.

[T S O]

And it's worth repeating - the Salamence wagon fucking sucked originally. People who were on it either had veiled reasons (Mainez) or didn't have reasons (BBT).

[T S O]

If T S O is confirmed scum we should go that way first imo

Molla, fucking please. I'd bus my own mother if I had to. I would have bussed the shit out of Salamence if he was scum.

[T S O]

UNVOTE:

[T S O]

VOTE: BBT

Yeah. I still want this.

[T S O]

No, I'm "confirmed scum" due to my stances on Sala apparently making me scum.

[T S O]

The thing is, I stand by everything I did and said. Salamence wagon was way too fast with way too little actual reasoning. That was scum bussing him. When Mainez claimed, I called Salamence out on his bullshit, before ignoring Varsoon when I felt he wasn't trustworthy. BBT is still extremely suspect. Him bussing Salamence in no way exonerates him.

[T S O]

what

There is no power role incriminating information on me. EPM feels I am "almost confscum". I believe BBT is almost confscum, and EPM is probably his partner.

[T S O]

So you really just think Varsoon is fucking beyond terrible

I'm not saying that's completely unreasonable, I'm confirming that you think that

Yes.

[T S O]

Actually T S O you wreck me as scum so I donno about that

We should lynch EPM though

baby cmon I've beaten you as scum like once

[T S O]

Sigh.

[T S O]

Your case is literally "TSO's reads were better than mine, he's probably scum". It's fucking awful.

[T S O]

I would love for you to flesh out why Salamence was clearly scum using information available at the time, though. I cannot wait to see what you produce.

[T S O]

The likely thing is that scum did kill and they decided to kill me. That's not arrogance, I die early as town the majority of the time. If I was scum, I would not kill. Let someone like Salamence do the dirty work.

[T S O]

It is amusing, though, that the way I tried to politely ask you to play because you were being fucking useless, makes me scum. That's good stuff, doctor.

[T S O]

RC could easily be scum here either. There's really no way to read him because of his horrible nihilistic playstyle. We can't afford to burn a lynch on him because we're too far down.

Sticking with BBT.

[T S O]

I'd follow you onto a TSO lynch if you're really willing to bet the game on it, DDO.
Let that stand for what it will.

If you're town, you need to sit down and re-assess many tenets of your game. Horrible gambits are one. Sheeping conftown who lack competency is another.

[T S O]

I laughed.

[T S O]

I'm sick, and have been for a bit.

[T S O]

if I was scum I'd be whipping this town's fucking ass

[T S O]

Believe it.

[T S O]

I want TSO to town-lead this game, because I don't think I've build up enough town-cred or sympathy to lead a lynch at all.

I want this too, but it would be nice if people could actually fall into line. I feel like there is literally no unity in this playerlist to push lynches through.

[T S O]

I would have felt great about massive if he had called me scum because I know that massive-scum would not have came out and tried that this game. Calling me fine, town, is all true, but it doesn't give me any information about his alignment.

[T S O]

The last time I played massive-scum his game was based on pushing specific agendas, not on doing ...nothing like here. The flipside of that is that it would be so easy to blend in as scum that he might just have decided to pull that because god knows it's a pretty solid scum tactic in this game.

[T S O]

Actually, all my gut reads have worked out with a high level of accuracy so far, so I'm considering just running with that and supplementing them where necessary.

It would be so nice if you were town here, BBT. Alas, I fear you are not.

[T S O]

Either scum didn't kill, or scum shot me. I think that scum get more out of the latter than the former, since there's no way anyone can blame Salamence for protecting me over, say, Dolittle.

Salamence framing pisskop makes sense as it seemed believable from his POV, given his constant outbursts about pisskop.

[T S O]

The two major scumpushes this game, in my eyes, were the pisskop votes on d2 and the Salamence votes on d3.

[T S O]

I just want to see who was on them.

[T S O]

pisskop [5]:

Zebulin

,

Salamence20

, RadiantCowbells, Varsoon, BlueBloodedToffee

Salamence20[5]:

RadiantCowbells, evilpacman18,

Mainez

, BlueBloodedToffee, Varsoon

RadiantCowbells, Varsoon and BBT.

[T S O]

Hopefully it'll be at least once soon.

VOTE: Pisskop

VOTE: pisskop
Whatever ends the day.

VOTE: pisskop

These votes tell me nothing.

[T S O]

Which should have been a sign that pisskop was town, with this rubbish, but whatever.

[T S O]

Something that I constantly find myself excusing is Varsoon's propensity to vote people. He will literally fucking vote anyone. I think this is town Varsoon, and will be infuriated at myself for excusing this if he flips scum, but it's really bad townplay. Seriously.

[T S O]

Congratulations to PK on scummy worth play.

VOTE: Salamence20

Lol

vote Salamence

VOTE: Salamence

it's about time this happened. no more excuses from anybody. you're getting lynched today.

VOTE: Salamence

VOTE: Sala

I don't even know why we're discussing.

Again, most of these votes tell me nothing.

[T S O]

Mainez is town, Varsoon's vote at the end didn't really feel like a bus and I'm calling Varsoon town anyway. That leaves RC/EPM/molla/BBT.

[T S O]

You're willing to help? Fantastic. Remind me of the context I'm missing for #1523?

[T S O]

I don't even know why I'm doing this stuff because I know my heart is set on chain-lynching BBT and EPM.

[T S O]

If you continue to push me, you'll be the one eating rope.

I had thought I'd made it pretty clear that your constant empty threats mean literally nothing to me.

Oh well.

You're willing to help? Fantastic. Remind me of the context I'm missing for #1523?

Oh, you know, just the 1,000,000 posts where I state that Sala is obviously scum after running him up early in D1.

TSO: I don't understand why you thought Salamence was so obviously scum.
BBT: I called him scum loads tho!

If you could actually answer what you're asked, that would be great.

You dodged my last question as well.

That, or I have zero interest in attempting to convince you that you're scum.

[T S O]

I'm non-consecutive night cop by the way.

VOTE: Varsoon

Inno BBT, guilty Varsoon. All aboard!

Don't sheep this for at least half a week.

You see much, Dolittle.

Too much.

Day-Banish DrDolittle from Kingdom of Rohan, under pain of death.

I hope this is a joke. Well, not really, since he contributes nothing to the town whatsoever, but he's still conftown.

[T S O]

Find one town thing that he did.

It's called trying to sort the game out. You can see it by clicking my ISO.

Since you're conftown, this was literally the one job you had. You should attempt to try it.

[T S O]

like condemning your scum partner to die after he's been lynched and acting all self-righteous about it?

Like not seeing Varsoon, presuming I was the hammer vote, and doing it? After questioning the lynch's speed, correctly, because it was scum-driven as fuck? Yes.

Feel free to continue pushing me as scum with incredible logic such as "His reads were TOO good! Scum!". I am sure BBT-scum will help you out.

[T S O]

Can we just fucking hang BBT? Please?

[T S O]

The guy being alive is like a giant shitstain on the face of the game.

[T S O]

RC, please. Wrong vote.

[T S O]

I just finished a game with Scum!Varsoon and this is exactly Scum!Varsoon.

Link? Because I recently finished a game with Varsoon-scum and there aren't any apparent similarities.

Have a little faith in me.

Darling, have some faith in me.

[T S O]

This is the usual polarising bullshit. Just fucking vote BBT already.

[T S O]

Varsoon's not scum, RC.

[T S O]

Then it's me against you. I'm afraid I'll have to back myself.

[T S O]

Molla you're doing fucking nothing and it worries me. Vote BBT so we can lynch scum already.

massive, same applies. They'll push your mislynch eventually.

[T S O]

If you're town, I will use this against you in every future game we play.

I don't mind.

I didn't say BBT was town, note. I said that Varsoon was scum.

Scum is scum, lynching scum is lynching scum. It's really very simple.

But then, I don't townread you either.

So why exactly should I give a damn?

This is what I was thinking about you!

[T S O]

I just want to make it clear I'm not softing/claiming anything. Full stop.

[T S O]

I don't need to read between the lines - the last time I didn't immediately quash rumours it led to constant accusations of me softing things I wasn't.

Nice vote, though.

[T S O]

Unlucky, BBT. You can't win them all.

[T S O]

So, yeah, we're doing EPM tomorrow? Fantastic.

[T S O]

Be a dear and hammer, Dolittle?

[T S O]

RC, Varsoon, pleasure working with you.

[T S O]

If you want, you can mop your tears with the posts you made where you said I'd never get you lynched.

[T S O]

Do people not think it makes BBT look pretty dang town that he seemed to have figured out Mainez was the JK from day 1 and yet Mainez wasn't killed till she outed herself? Just wondering.

Keep trying to save your buddy.

[T S O]

I think you know that there is no way you can make it to endgame if BBT dies today, so you are throwing caution to the wind in an attempt to save him. I think your poorly thought-out arguments are evidence of this.

[T S O]

I think Varsoon has been scummy in a town way.

[T S O]

I agree, I will be calling you scum regardless of the flip.

[T S O]

Dolittle is the worst conftown ever.

[T S O]

He's literally all but scumclaimed here, as has EPM. Just end the game already.

[T S O]

I just have no interest in explaining my read. RC and Varsoon get it, massive seems to as well. I'm wasting my time with Dolittle, EPM's your partner... etc.

[T S O]

What's your read on EPM, my dear?

[T S O]

When he flips town we're gonna be in LYLO with confscum TSO and Varsoon who keeps doing a houdini on getting lynched so... Probably not gonna happen buddy. But trust me it's a good thing.

Well, there goes the last shred of doubt I had that you were scum.

[T S O]

Hey, BBT's been at L-1 for ages and no-one's hammered!

You know whose wagon that reminds me of? Salamence!

You know whose wagon that doesn't remind me of? Aneninen!

[T S O]

Molla I promise you, I'll make EPM die in fire tomorrow if you just help me lynch his buddy today.

[T S O]

Haha, maybe all scum are already on my wagon?

Yeah, it's prob that.

What -is- your read on EPM, though? Because when you told me to fuck off when I asked you last time, it felt like you simply didn't want to incriminate your partner once you flipped, and that train of thought would oh-so-sadly lead me to EPM-scum.

[T S O]

If you weren't so damn hard to lynch, I wouldn't have to tunnel you so damn hard.

I feel the need to remind you that your big play was to lynch Varsoon until I showed you the error of your ways.

[T S O]

Thinking about it, Varsoon should also have a very strong scum read on massive since it's between the two of them, but doesn't seem to?

Try fucking harder to manipulate Varsoon, EPM.

[T S O]

@Dolittle: EPM. Seriously, EPM's scum. It's just that BBT is too.

[T S O]

No, your scumbuddy EPM and you are hoping you won't get lynched.

You will though.

[T S O]

Yeah.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: EPM

Let's see if this takes off. I'm fucking sick of lying on this BBT wagon. Just lynch scum already.

Molla, you support this, so use your fucking vote. Thanks.

[T S O]

Oh, BBT? Just to clarify, there is a case on you. I understand you'll keep denying there is. But there is.

You realised Salamence had been compromised d3 with the No Kill.
You decided to bus him.
You didn't have any actual reason to vote him but you did it because you knew when he flipped scum you'd be ultimately justified.
With you and pacman voting, the wagon speed was incredible, because it was scum-driven.

Your response to all of this has been "nah man, you see me and Salamence d1? no way scum do that!". You seem to feel this is a legitimate response. I don't. Neither do people using their heads in this game.

[T S O]

YES

Sad to see you go, Dolittle. Hopefully your replacement will Domuch.

[T S O]

You just gave one reason and broke it into four parts.

Yes, that seems accurate, given that explanations tend to require more than one line.

Thank you for not wasting your time by attempting to refute it poorly - it's appreciated.

Why would I run Sala up as buddy D1? Tell me, why the FUCK would I state intent to hammer on my buddy that early in the game to force a claim?

You seem to be treating day 1 bussing as some sort of magical event which will always exonerate you... when it's not. In fact, this wasn't even a bus in the truest sense, because Salamence didn't even die.

It's a typical scum tactic to fall back on one moment you felt you did well in. It's also reassuring because you yourself actually believe it should clear you. I'm afraid, however, it doesn't.

Tell me, how does what you just described not apply to RC?

It's usually a bad sign when you're pointing to someone else and saying "Yeah, but they did it TOO!".

However, I'm fairly sure that what happened points to you-scum more than RC-scum, given incidents such as your shameless attempts to milk towncred from it.

[T S O]

I will join you on BBT.

I legitimately feel EPM is a better vote, but consider my vote on either.

[T S O]

The annoying thing about 8 players is that it requires five people to get a lynch. When scum blatantly abstain like today, all it takes is one or two town players to completely derail any attempt at a lynch. Happily, Dolittle's replacement will hopefully vote with this, but it's still annoying.

[T S O]

Boon,

I'd request that you either get a replacement for Dolittle ASAP or freeze the deadline, because with this even number of players it's borderline impossible to lynch with one player missing.

[T S O]

Either molla or RC compromising would be fantastic.

[T S O]

Would you all agree that I'm either causing or contributing to a negative play experience in this game?

No. We really don't need this discussion either, let's kill it here.

Welcome, Pegasus! You have a happy time ahead; caught scum in BlueBloodedToffee is being wagoned and you're confirmed town. All that is required of you is simply to vote BBT.

[T S O]

[quote="In post 2535, BlueBloodedToffee"
People won't explain their reasons for scum reading me. They're just voting me, massive at least gave it an attempt but it was a weak case.[/quote]

No, I explained my reasons perfectly well. Your response was "RC did the same." This doesn't somehow make you innocent.

Massive and RC are scum.

Yet you'd be happy to lynch me, or Varsoon as well. Which, conveniently, is everyone scumreading you. For unexplained reasons, you won't lynch pacman (yes, I know, you can't lynch your buddy), you won't lynch molla (because molla, of course, is townreading you) and you can't lynch the IC for obvious reasons.

Any reason to believe TSO would be targeted for the scumkill N1?

I'm arguably the best town player here.

I don't want to get into a dickmeasuring contest, but just look at my completed games. YCBA was the most recent - I was shot n4 after not really for the first two days, and lynching scum consecutively d3 and d4. I tell you this so you understand it's quite plausible that I was shot n1 by scum, and not blocked by scum, as BBT and EPM would have you believe.

When was the IC outed? If he was outed on D1, I'd expect the N1 kill to be on the IC which makes it rather odd for TSO to have been targeted.

The IC would have been killed if he showed any modicum of interest in the game or threat to scum. He did neither, so he didn't die. It makes sense.

Scum are just waiting for me to be hammered. I've been at L-1 for around 5 days now, maybe longer.

No, all the town are on you, bar molla and Pegasus, but because EPM won't bus we're in deadlock.

I realise that BBT and I are offering radically different views of the game, Pegasus. In my defense, the only person backing BBT's view of the game is EPM. Molla knows EPM is scum, but he won't vote BBT, and RC knows BBT is scum, but won't vote EPM. So you see why we really need you to make your decision.

At some point during my skim, I read that BBMolla claimed lyncher. I don't know if I'm just imagining it or misread something. Can you clarify?

A joke.

RC/T S O/Varsoon are voting in a little triangle. They sheep each other, voting people with no reasoning at all. Hopping from one target to the next (EPM and myself)

There has to be at least one town in those three and they're making it super easy for scum to do what they want.

This is a gross misrepresentation of what's going on, but I've said this many times.

[T S O]

Let me be blunt, Pegasus: scum are playing in a very mediocre fashion. The reason this game is not over is the sheer inefficacy of the town. In particular, Dolittle did not help us. This game is an open-and-closed book: it's very simple. Either you believe me, and my version of events, or BBT and his.

[T S O]

Yes.

[T S O]

Let me be blunt, Pegasus: scum are playing in a very mediocre fashion. The reason this game is not over is the sheer inefficacy of the town. In particular, Dolittle did not help us. This game is an open-and-closed book: it's very simple. Either you believe me, and my version of events, or BBT and his.

Considering I haven't ruled out you/BBT as the remaining scum, it is not an either/or scenario for me. Your predecessor was quite scummy but I'll try to get a better read here after I catch up to the point you replaced in.

I'm afraid it -is- an either/or situation, but I don't wish to interfere with your catch-up.

I didn't particularly read my predecessor's play and I have no interest in what he did.

[T S O]

Yes.

T S O should be held to this.

Massive and RC are your first scum choices, but I should be lynched before them.

Continue displaying that organic town mindset, BBT!

[T S O]

It's scummy to try to convince confirmed town to vote the wagon you've pushed relentlessly all day.

You sure got me there, BBT.

[T S O]

I'm not posting anymore until Pegasus is done catching up, talking to scum is a waste of my breath.

[T S O]

There are no masonries, molla lied.

[T S O]

When was the IC outed? If he was outed on D1, I'd expect the N1 kill to be on the IC which makes it rather odd for TSO to have been targeted.

The IC would have been killed if he showed any modicum of interest in the game or threat to scum. He did neither, so he didn't die. It makes sense.

This reasoning also applies for N2, no?

When Salamence got targeted because the JK knew he was confscum? No, wrong.

[T S O]

Pegasus, I really do admire your guts in trying to catch up the entire game, something I certainly didn't try, but BBT on this page alone is blatantly scum. Every single post he makes is scum. For example, he quoted me at around post 1500, then skipped to 1900 with a different post, and concluded that since my reads had changed in 400 posts, or 16 pages, I must be scum.

That literally cannot come from a town mindset. He is just trying to bombard you with bullshit.

[T S O]

The attempted 'hood paranoia means the hood is town. Bet on it.

[T S O]

BBT, I don't know what made you change your mind from Salamence being scum D1 to pursuing other targets. You declare intent to hammer, then you call his claim fake, and then suddenly decide you want to lynch in the neighborhood, call Varsoon's Salamence vote bad and in general take a completely different direction to what you were doing earlier and nothing at that point is clear to me.

This is a great post, which I'm fairly sure I've talked about before. I don't remember BBT replying then and I don't expect him to give a convincing response now.

[T S O]

That's unrealistic and also a basic waste of time.

[T S O]

Salamence, if you find yourself unable to keep your play game-related, you can replace. You don't seem particularly invested anyway.

Could potentially see a scum player asking his dead-weight partner to replace out so he can get a better one.

This was in response to Salamence being a constant prick to pisskop. At that stage I don't remember Sala being particularly in danger.

This chain of events doesn't make any sense from Salamence-town, unless I have grossly overestimated his ability as a mafia player.

VOTE: Salamence20

Why not?

This was later explained so my response will be to quote that.

The likely thing is that scum did kill and they decided to kill me. That's not arrogance, I die early as town the majority of the time. If I was scum, I would not kill. Let someone like Salamence do the dirty work.

Substantiate this with links to games.

Sure.

[T S O]

EPM, remind me of your case on me?

I mean, right now it seems to boil down to "JK'd n1, no kill n1, you must be scum"... which is pretty terrible, considering I've explained why scum had multiple reasons to shoot me (relatively competent, fresh pair of eyes as a replacement). And after that, you're mumbling something about "must lynch in hood!" when all-town 'hoods is exactly the zany sort of set-up Boonskiies would pull, and that's really it.

You also seem remarkably checked-out for someone who's on the brink of losing to Varsoon and I, because BBT's getting lynched today and that leaves at least three people alive who will happily lynch you. It's almost like you feel the game is over or something, like you know you're not going to win and you don't have any interest in investing yourself further because of that.

[T S O]

I agree EPM looked town early, Pegasus, I was townreading him too, so I can't blame you. It's his later play which is the problem.

Delicious Mafia - no TSO kill.
Masquerade - no TSO kill until final member of scum.
Mind - no TSO kill until abandonment of game by mod.

Those are the most recent I could find, I didn't bother searching further.

[T S O]

We're not lynching massive. Please, just vote BBT.

[T S O]

Apparently not.

[T S O]

I love the amendment in your signature, Boon.

[T S O]

VOTE: BBT

why won't it fucking die

[T S O]

he's scum just hammer him

[T S O]

it's not massive it's epm btw

[T S O]

Fair play, T S O.

I'm a pretty hard lynch to achieve. You should feel proud.

Thank you, and I agree - pushing this lynch has been so fucking difficult that I doubt I'd have the stamina to do it again.

PEDIT: YES

[T S O]

Fucking finally!