In post 1013, Focus Beam wrote:Oh look, more Bias with Titus from Bulba.
Trying to blame something I did on Titus.
Fuckins stupid you are.
~Sally
I would try to tell you how wrong you are, like I did before, but I don't think you're listening or that you even care. This is just more of you latching onto something that you can surface push, while ignoring what was actually said. I also think it's interesting that you called it bias, which would suggest misguided or tunnelly town, but yet you continue to call me scum.
In post 1025, Frogging Mollie wrote:okay i am still working on my big long post but bulba is defo scum and I am weirdly excited and that singer and titus and I are on the same page.
cos bulba scum
VOTE: bulba
Mollie, you seriously can't be this blind.
In post 1033, Varsoon wrote:It bugs me that FocusBeam was all gung-ho about a 1v1 and is not trying to corral for lynches outside the FocusB v Varsoon dichotomy. Uh, blah blah.
I know, right? It's almost as if they're just trying to create a viable counterwagon to themselves in order to dismantle their own wagon. No scumhunting. Just counterwagon building.
In post 1043, Frogging Mollie wrote:
I wanna see what bulba does.
preeetty sure he is scum tho.
like no really he is avoiding me like the plague
How have I been avoiding you? I've barely had time to post, and at that point, my priority was getting into the game and stating what I saw rather than stroking your ego. I mean, it's sad that we haven't had the time to properly talk or anything, but if you want to, just send me a question instead of pouting and voting me before I have a chance to properly interact with the game state.
In post 1062, Frogging Mollie wrote:
I feel like bulba tries to come off as this beep boop character but really that is not who he is. when he drops the veneer he demonstrates a great deal of passion it is just pulling teeth trying to get him there.
I feel like there is a wall to him that is normal but it feels like there is an extra wall in this game.
tell me I am not crazy
You're not crazy, but I think you'd realize why I have that extra layer of disconnectiveness if you think back to how I was in Team Mafia. Think back to what happened to me near the end, how I was forced to kinda leave you and Wisdom on your own to finish your games, while scum took advantage of my new rl state to get me mislynched in Signs & Voided before I knew what was happening. Ask Mastin about how I was at the end of We Didn't Playtest This. Ask her how she and Voided had to drag me back into the hydra near the end to give them a third perspective, and how I refused to catch up, because I couldn't put that time in. I went to a wacky level of theory based on ISOs and mod posts, using game setup, because I didn't have the time to do things properly. It's regrettable, but this is the new norm for the time being. If you want to break through the shell, interact with me. If not, don't try to use my being distant as a reason to scum read me, because I believe that deep down, you know that to be crappy reasoning.
In post 1063, Frogging Mollie wrote: In post 1061, Focus Beam wrote:I don't mind you being hard on me Mollie. What I do mind is the collection of votes that are largely reasonless and trying to be sold as if they aren't. I know I have my flaws. I know I need to work on them. I like that you want me to improve my game. I generally avoid /inning at the start to remove the problem of me sucking at day 1 (but great at reviewing it) but if I don't post Day 1, I'll always be the "random" vote. Your votes there, while I still feel were policy lynch driven, were relatively transparent in what you were doing (even if we disagree on the label to place on it).
I have been explaining what causes my "bad" behavior so in a hopes we can work on it together. However, "bad" is in quotes because I don't see anything I do as bad, merely playing the hand I've been dealt. For instance, I know I need to work on what's meant to be taken literally and what isn't. I do work on that. I am working on listening to people, but at the same time we have to factor in just because the crowd says it doesn't make it right.
I like players who are transparent and I tend to be pretty transparent in all my games. Generally, I view all players as having an agenda. It's much easier to see the agenda looking back on things, which is why my VCA usually turns out well. I'm taking out the things I'm worse at and doing the things I'm better at. If you feel that something I say isn't transparent, that's when you ask. The clarification, should tell you the most about my alignment. I'll either answer or say it's anti-town to answer and give you the most transparent reason why I'm anti-town. To read me, don't look so far as if you agree with me, but whether or not my thought processes is transparent.
What also needs to happen though is not stuff like "why not" wagon Titus and selling it as if it's scum. In the rare event Varsoon is town, things like that are shitty, especially from players who know I make my alignment known. I am relatively aware at how psychology plays into the game and seeing manipulative tactics. The problem is, both town and scum are manipulative. Both go for agendas (town is don't lynch town but lynch scum). I'm putting forth the effort to be better, but the effort just feels wasted if it never accomplishes anything so I'll get frustrated and rage a bit.
While Sal is being inartful, he's hitting the nail on the head. Mastina's playing as if her one goal is to lynch Titus. This isn't based in fact or reason or anything. Using the phrase lyncher confuses some because this game isn't bastard and thus no lyncher can be present. Yet, this type of behavior is something that happens all the time to my slot, from both town and scum.
I do appreciate the effort to meet me half-way, and if you see me falling into a tunnel habit, feel free to call me out on it.
I'll probably still tunnel if all my townreads and I are voting the same player.
yeah this slot is town. sorry
I also feel like this is the understatement of the year
Mollie... That post is a bunch of non-alignment indicative fluff. You know better. Don't let Titus-scum fool you again.
In post 1065, Feysal wrote:
In post 992, Bulbazak wrote:Also, if anyone can find who said something about there being 2 kills even with more than 2 scum teams, can you quote it? I have a game starting soon, but I'm pretty sure whoever said that is scum. That's not what I saw before, but it is pretty damning.
The closest thing I can remember is Aeris talking about an offsite game in post
#902.
That's not it, although it does put Aeris back into likely scum territory, as she should have known better than to pull the crap she has if she's an alt, especially the sexist allegations. That points to scum tactics more than newbie rage.
In post 1067, Jaqen Hghar wrote:
I think its damned interesting Scorpius is reading Anti and Antagonist both as scum separate frim one another though. Even if this was an oops, it is probably the most tien-beneficial post to date. It looks like theres no reconciling Varsoon and Focus Beam.
VOTE: Antagonist
Can we lynch this after Titus? Pretty please?
In post 1071, Seiko x Naomi wrote:I'd also like to mention that this Bulba wagon sprang up out of nowhere after Focus Beam became the leading wagon, and people like Kaboose are on it.
DOES ANYONE SEE THE PROBLEM HERE?
I'm glad I'm not the only one. I was starting to wonder if everyone had lost their minds. Seeing people like Singer and Mollie on my wagon, especially, made me sad.
In post 1094, Flubbernugget wrote:
I don't think focus beam is really worth interacting with till later in the game. Still null. Only bringing this up because there's more to calling the slot Titus than scumpainting. It just "feels" like a Titus slot
I really want to lynch this, too.
In post 1100, borkjerfkin wrote:
[6] Focus Beam (mastin2, Varsoon, TheIrishPope, Seiko x Naomi, Bulbazak,The Antagonist)
[5] Bulbazak (Focus Beam. singersigner, Frogging Mollie, Kaboose, Feysal)
Seriously, can no one see the problem here? This happened in the span of a few hours. I want someone to tell me how this is town driven.
In post 1102, TheIrishPope wrote:I don't like Feysal re entry. He's fencesitting because he doesn't want to attract attention just yet, and is sort of not dealing strong opinions about major wagon to avoid confrontation. Watching.
I'm really not seeing that. What I am seeing is a mindset that seems really foreign to me. It's subtle, and it bothers me.
What bothers you about it?
In post 1116, Focus Beam wrote:
@hiplop, this is multiball. Also, my wagon jumped up just as fast, yet you had zero problem with it. Now that Bulba's getting wagoned, you do.
And then counterwagons kept popping up to stall it. I'm really not seeing the problem here or how it's comparable to my wagon.
In post 1116, Focus Beam wrote:
@Mollie/Singer, I am thinking that ika might be scum with Bulbazak or their townbeard. Are you seeing what I'm seeing?
Are you really suggesting that everybody on your wagon is scum? For real? Come on, I know that town Titus is not
this
bad at reasoning.
In post 1120, Focus Beam wrote:
Also, your vote moves to Psychlone (the wagon singer preferred) after they take their vote off of me and onto Bulba is telling too. Why are you "so confident" about Psychlone being scum all of a sudden, when you weren't confident enough at the time to vote him?
What do you mean "all of a sudden"? They've been calling Psychlone scum for awhile.
In post 1134, Focus Beam wrote:
Now, can you answer me if you think The Antagonist and Bulbazak are possible buddies or not? I know ika and I have baggage but I'd like a second pair of eyes. First, The Antagonist (head irrelevant) shoots down my attempts to understand Seiko, calling my question to them a trap. Then here when Bulbazak takes off, now The Antagonist is interested in the Psychone wagon and is particularly targeting Singer. Yet, nothing happened (at least no posts by Nacho) between Singer's generic request for people to vote Psychlone and The Antagonist moving their vote. They posted about many other things, but now the timing seems convienent. Am I reading something there that doesn't exist?
If we were scum together, why would Antagonist vote Psychlone and not my counterwagon, aka you?
In post 1135, Focus Beam wrote:
My wagon hasn't been "slow" at all though. People have been playing roulette with who is on it, but generally my wagon has been around since RVS and stayed just with certain people jumping off and more getting on.
And through all that, it's stayed just around 7 people. Sounds like stalling to me.
In post 1140, Focus Beam wrote:He says he's voting me because he doesn't get what I'm doing in certain posts, yet he gets his head wrong. His whole policy was "If I don't get what Titus is doing, I auto lynch and never turn back".
Is that what I'm doing? Let's look back:
In post 992, Bulbazak wrote:As for Titus (yes Titus. You can drink yourself to oblivion for all I care, Sal.), I made a vow after Signs & Voided that if at any point in a game Titus made a move that I couldn't make sense of from a town perspective, I would lynch immediately, regardless of my previous read. She made that move early with her defense of Aeris, which I couldn't see as town,
but what really sealed it for me was her defensiveness, which boils down to mudslinging and threats
. I can't see this from town Titus, and I'm not going to try to talk myself out of a major ping like I have before.
In post 1011, Bulbazak wrote: In post 998, Focus Beam wrote:@Bulba,
First things first. Sal's defended Aeirs. Sal has also made the "sexist" comments. He never intended that as such. If your standard is to lynch me based on me doing something that you can't understand, you should probably make sure it's me doing the posting. I haven't softclaimed anything as far as I know. Sal's told me he has though so *shrug*. I think anyone fairly reading the posts and concluding they are "sexist" would logically infer that it wasn't ME talking since I'm you know a GIRL. You're "forgetting" what made you think I was scum, but voting anyway. You can't be accused of putting forth a bad case nor disproven by merely saying something's there and never again will I be swayed. That's scumposting 101. Vote town, strawman argument, can't be disproven. All the scum you're scumreading me for, isn't me. It's our slot yes, but this shows at best you're putting no effort into the game and decided you were going to vote me if ever I became a wagon.
Okay, proof that you didn't actually read what I said and just skimmed through to find ways to attack me.
I think I made it very obvious that while the Aeris defense was what made me initially think you were scum, it was the way you attacked and sought to discredit your attackers. The threats especially I felt were unlikely to come from town you.
Seriously, it's like 1 or 2 sentences. Before that I was talking about Aeris, who was slinging sexist accusations to deflate the suspicion on her. I also said that it was
her
soft claim that is making me take a step back and reevaluate. Really, it's not that hard of a post to understand. I didn't quote wall or anything.
Hmm. I think I'm pretty clear on the fact that I'm voting you for your reactions to those voting you. If it was just the Aeris post, I'd have dropped that when I had my doubts on the slot, and I would have definitely referred to the rest of your play. However, your overdefensiveness, your mudslinging, misrepping, and overall threatening approach to those voting you is one that I am confident does not come from you as town. Try to twist my words all you want honey, but it's obvious to me and anyone with a reasonable amount of brain cells that you aren't actually engaging with your detractors, but are instead just seeking to discredit and destroy them.
In post 1135, Focus Beam wrote:
When called upon this, he doubles down despite being told by multiple people that he's wrong.
Let's ignore the fact that I'm not wrong, but if I was scum, what would be the point in me doing this, rather than going "Oh shucks, you're right." and moving on? It seems a lot more reckless, don't you think? This is about on par with RayFrost-scum calling me scum for tunneling a read in my very first game on site. It's a distraction tactic and is meant to ignore the actual facts.
In post 1162, Feysal wrote:
On the subject of mastin2, I forgot exactly what it was that I got my initial town read from. I do remember that later some of her meta talk felt more likely to come from town, but after rereading I was no longer as sure. And I did in fact explain why I thought she could be scum, though I did not go very deep into it. My old analysis post I referred to is
here, and when I read it again, I was concerned by how similar mastin2 has been here. There is the ignorance of Scorpious being confirmed town
Was she ignorant of that? Show me, and then tell me how that is indicative of scum.
Mastin tell
Mastin tell, unless you're saying she's right, and then my question would be how you'd know that.
I don't think anyone knows what Mastin is thinking. Heck, I don't know what you're thinking most of the time. Should I be convinced that makes you scum?
In post 1168, Saint wrote:unvote;
vote: focus beam
im voting focus beam for posting off of their hydra
Saint, I'm reasonably sure you're town here, but this is such a horrible vote.
In post 1169, Focus Beam wrote:
First, Antagonist interrupts my questioning of you saying it's a trap. You're all too happy to let this go, even though it highlights a major flaw in your case. If I am pushing, I am town. Second, you should be all to aware that the ika head of that hydra votes me for having the name Titus.
Varsoon's vote is a shitty votepark for awhile and discussed ad nauseum.
Mastina's vote has been parked since RVS for "impressions" that she refused to back up when called upon.
Bulbazak is voting us because of a policy that is factually wrong.
Then there's TiP who is voting me while treating me as town. That's the best of the bunch.
So all the reasoning you give here seems to think that the votes on you are mostly misguided rather than scum. If Ika always votes you, how does that make that slot scum? Shouldn't you be expecting it? I also know that you've discussed Varsoon before, but here you only insult his vote. If you still think he's scum, shouldn't you have said that? Something along the lines of "Varsoon is scum, so he's voting us." instead of "Varsoon's vote is just bad and he's vote parking."? You insinuate here, and more specifically earlier, that Mastin's vote is just policy, which we both know is crap, so it mainly just comes across as being sore that a better player has their vote on you. I'm supposed to be a major scum read of yours, but you call my vote a policy vote "that is factually wrong". That seems rather different than the scum view of me you're trying to push. As for TiP, do you think he's scum? Because you seem to be suggesting it here, and this is the first I've heard of it. Overall, it just seems that you're mad that you're getting voted at all, and your entire approach this game makes me think that you're just scum annoyed that you've been caught for the wrong reasons.
In post 1193, The Antagonist wrote: In post 1188, hiplop wrote:VOTE: psyclone
I can't remember a single thing they've said or done.
move the vote back to beam we can lycnh them tommorow
im gonna tell anti tha he can continue scum hungint but we lynch her frist
Why don't you actually vote her? I mean, I think you meant to earlier, but it epically failed.
Also, I think scum are gearing up for a push on Saint. I'd keep an eye out for that.
