Missed a lot- gonna try to cover at least the big stuff.
In post 741, Akuseru wrote:
In post 657, HenryCabotLodge wrote:But the thing that bothers me about it now that I'm reading it again is the fact that bulbazoor seems to think it would be somehow less scummy for notscience to hammer someone both he and notscience read as town over Stoz, someone they both agreed was scummy.
I'm having trouble understanding the reasoning behind that one. I get the opposition to the self-hammer, but I don't know how lynching someone you both mutually read as town would be more desirable.
Exactly, and he doesn't care to explain it either.
Explain. I understand why someone might want to vote for NS, but why does bublazoor want to vote for NS?
Obviously, I can't speak for Bulbazoor. I'll admit that maybe I'm not reading enough into his read of notscience since it supports my own.
How do you know that thespio? First you were sure he was scum, then you we're conflicted between him and bulba, and now he's definitely town? Smh
I really hope you're not scum. I keep excusing you because I keep thinking "It's just thespio being thespio". You're consistent with your inconsistency (votes, reads, opinions etc), if that makes any sense. You're everything I'd imagine scum would try to avoid being.
You've described my feelings on Thespio perfectly. The illogic and inconsistency make me want to vote him, but you're right- why would scum act the way he does? This is bordering on wifom now though.
In post 748, Bulbazoor wrote:Sorry for the language. I def beliege that other scum besides not are in stubbs, espio, or hcl
I just do not feel strongly for hcl as scum. So its theespio as my second option.
Can you elaborate on your reading me as scum? Seems like it came out of nowhere honestly.
In post 757, Thespio wrote: In post 751, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Why does not justifying myself make me scum? (I have justified everything I have said but I'm humoring you). I have just finished catching up on a 30 page game and you wanted me to go back and reread all of my posts when they were right there for you to read. If you can't be bothered to look, why should I? I don't need to convince you to vote NS, I don't think you're the bussing type. I need the rest of town to understand what I'm saying.
Because its not there, thats why im asking you to show me where it is. Because at this point it is not even a real thing, you just assert its existence.
In post 751, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Why is it odd I brought Bulba up as scum? Are you town reading him? If so, why? I'm pushing NS because I think he is scum and he has the biggest wagon out of all of my scum reads. Do you have a problem with this?
No, I read him as scum as well, its odd you accused him but you have left him out at the same time. Push NS all you want but if you read bulba too then you need to explain why NS is worse then Bulba.
Your vote seems to fall into the same category as what you accuse me of as well, you are sheeping, you have no support that you can show (Yes i know you have a recap but its not in there). On top of that you are jumping on a wagon literally because you see it as a popular wagon, that is your support for ending the day.
I don't see anything wrong with BBT's logic for voting notscience. He can scumread more than one person. If one of those scumreads has more momentum on it, why wouldn't he jump on that wagon? I can't help but think Thespio might be bombarding BBT because he's the replacement and he thinks he'll slip up or something. I thought when BBT came in, he gave a pretty fair accounting of what's happened and backed up his reads with logic. Most of Thespio's problems with BBT seem to stem from misrepresenting/exaggerating his points (e.g. the uselessness in trying to explain Stubbs' play, having his vote on notscience). I don't think it serves much of a purpose other than to confirm the mercurial nature of Thespio's posting.
In post 760, Bulbazoor wrote: In post 685, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:601 - Bulba, the base for your scum read on Stoz is weak. It's nowhere near strong enough for you to hold onto throughout the entirety of D1 in the manner that you did.
602 - Saw this vote coming.
606 - Bulba, do you have scum meta for Aku or are you making baseless guesses?
I'm confused that you're scum reading Stubbs for sheeping the general majority and null reading Thespio when Thespio has spent the entire game doing just that.
631 - This post feels town. Scum don't admit that their actions can be perceived as having scummy motivations.
672 - This is awful reasoning for your switch in vote.
673 - Thespio, are you getting bored because you realize I am scum reading you?
681 - Can you clarify how NS is acting suspicious? Also, can you state why you think arrogance is a scum tell as opposed to it coming from town?
Alright, I'm fully caught up. I'm pretty freaking sure that Henry is town, I'm also pretty sure that Aku is town. Micc feels town, I really like some of his posting.
That leaves NS, Bulba, Thespio and Joram. I like Joram for town, this is based on a couple of posts that I just find really difficult to see coming from scum. His overall play is scummy though.
I believe if we lynch Bulba/NS/Thespio we win the game. I don't particularly care what order but my strongest scum read is Thespio.
This is questionable. If your top read as scum is espio.. Why not vote him? Why do yoh not care in what order they are lynched in? I have no meta so any thing I say in regards to my reads is based on this game and only this game.
If he reads them all as scum, it shouldn't matter what order they're lynched in. I really don't see why people harp on that part of BBT's logic.
In post 767, Thespio wrote:heads up my laptop was... well destroyed, so i ordered one, it has 1 week to 2 weeks in transit. I will post by monday but typing on my phone sucks
Thanks for the heads up. I hope your laptop breaking doesn't have anything to do with being too aggressive with mafia, Thespio- I worry about you sometimes.
In post 776, JoramvanVugt wrote:its hard for me to read all the posts, but i dont think my vote will change. we should just hammer NS. Thespio the reason why you arent hammering is because he is your scumbuddy, if he is mafia, my vote will be on you tomorrow 100%
While I obviously think notscience is scum (hence the vote), I wouldn't be in favor of a hammer right now since we have a lot of other shit to work out (the implications of the Thespio/BBT feud for starters). Your theory on notscience/Thespio is actually not too bad. The way Thespio went after BBT (and with such a flimsy pretext) raises questions of what Thespio has to gain from seeing notscience survive the day. I know it's become something of a regular occurrence for Thespio to be overaggressive, but this is the most perplexing episode so far. Makes me think of day 1 when he called me "obvious scum" and then dropped his vote. We'll see if he drops his arguments on BBT so easily.
In post 790, Thespio wrote: In post 789, HenryCabotLodge wrote:Sorry everyone, I'm here and catching up. Went camping for the weekend and was in no condition to post. Should have been more specific about it in my posts.
Thats fine, I was really bummed when you were prodded, I hate replacements and people, but replacements more. Do you think its possible that NS is scum and BBT is using him for town cred?
You mean, like bussing him as his scumpartner? Doesn't seem likely to me. If notscience flipped town after a hypothetical lynch (which is very doubtful in my opinion) I'd definitely be very suspicious of BBT (and Bulba too, btw) but I don't think it's bussing. The scum are down a nightkill already I don't think they'd risk falling more behind by sacrificing one of their own members.
In post 792, Thespio wrote: In post 791, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:What? I'm now scum with NS?
We should turbo lynch NS and when he flips scum turbo lynch Thespio.
That looks very much like Thespio knows NS is going to flip scum and is trying to tie me to the scum flip.
I honestly don't want to lynch NS, there are better lynches right now. The issue is I think ive talked myself off of NS and partially off bulba. I don't suspect Aku or Micc, BBT I hate you because you are a replacement, While i respect your reads and the fact you went over everything i lean town, the lack off substance behind wanting people lynched concerns me. You want me to hammer and end the day over a week early because you want to lynch scum, but the longer the day is the more we get to see people post, and the better we can read each other. Which throws me a little... Plus you immediately linked me to NS, even though I was the first to show suspicion towards him and honestly if we were scum buddies its much more likely that we would avoid each other not buddy. HCL seems town, Joram seems super newbie but town. So right now im sitting at:
Bulba>BBT>NS>Joram>Aku/Micc/Hcl
I wont try to justify all of my behavior, because this is my second game on this site and im playing 3 others from alternate sites, so as I learn im going to be erratic. I would rather have NL though at this point, Im not sure enough to support a lynch, just because its risking a Miss-lynch, Which would change the outcome in favor of scum:
Alive: 8
Scum-Alive: 2
Town-Alive: 6
Miss-Lynch:
Alive: 7
Scum-Alive: 2
Town-Alive: 5
Scum-Lynch:
Alive: 7
Scum-Alive: 1
Town-Alive: 6
No-Lynch:
Alive: 8
Scum-Alive: 2
Town-Alive: 6
If Miss-Lynch Day Before:
Alive: 6
Scum-Alive: 2
Town-Alive: 4
If Scum-Lynch Day Before:
Alive: 6
Scum-Alive: 1
Town-Alive: 5
No-Lynch:
Alive: 7
Scum-Alive: 2
Town-Alive: 5
Miss-Lynch:
Pro's: Increased Chance of lynching Scum
Con's: We arent all really on the same page so I feel like it will result in another miss-lynch which leaves us in LYLO. If BBT was appealing to Joram then joram will swing with him and town will lose (Assuming BBT is scum). Which explains why he is trying to link me to NS. I still want to see what BBT though NS was trying to do.
Scum-Lynch:
Pro's: 1 less Scum, pushes LYLO back, overall good
Con's: decreases accuracy of next lynch but we are likely to read people better based off of the lynch.
No Lynch:
Pro's: Increased accuracy after NK, Lylo isnt brought forward, overall neutral outcome.
Con's: We aren't receiving benefits from Scum-Lynch.
Overall I would rather have a no lynch then a rushed lynch that becomes a miss-lynch like yesterday. However I think if we are all reading bulba as scum and even bulba sees his actions as scummy we should be looking at him. BBT, I'm waiting for Aku and Micc to get done reading over you, because Stubbs definitely played as scum.
So, you're not going to justify your behavior but you expected BBT to justify someone else's and then proceeded to blast him when he didn't? Why should we give you a free pass for your own behavior when you won't relent on someone who vainly tried to explain to you why it's stupid to try to justify somebody else?
I think a no lynch is a terrible idea. I think you have a point on bulba and I'm probably going to iso him later, but I don't see where a no lynch gets us. We would literally be at the same impasse we are at right now. On top of that, the mislynch yesterday does not hurt us badly since there was no nightkill (!). We're not at a point we're it's devastating to lose a member of the town. I'm confident in my read on notscience being scum, but even if he did turn up town we would still be in a better position to evaluate people than if we decided to not lynch anybody today.
