Mini 1699 - #swag wars: THE empire strikes back (swaggedout)

[notscience]

I don't think "playing scummy to get reads based off of how people view you" excuses him from anything, if that's what you're asking.

[notscience]

Like why can't I just say I've been playing more detached to see who of the people I play with a ton would push me?

Idk it doesn't necessarily make me feel better its just like "meh."

[Wickedestjr]

ftr this is the third time I can think of this game that notsci has walked in here and blatantly postured to join the leading wagon.

DOES ANYONE ELSE SEE THE PROBLEM HERE?

Why would he play this way as scum, though? He's been pretty blatant about it.

Do you think he's aware that he's doing it? Do you think it surprises him that he's being questioned for it?

[Empire]

DAY 2, VOTECOUNT 17

Nachomamma8 (3)

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Wickedestjr, implosion, Boonskiies

Boonskiies (2)

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Nachomamma8, pieguyn

Vinkah (1)

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RedCoyote

RedCoyote (1)

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Soft-spoken

Not Voting (4)

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Tammy, notscience, fferyllt, Vinkah

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch! Deadline is on August 13th at 3AM EST or in (expired on 2015-08-13 03:03:09).

Mod Notes - Wickedestjr is V/LA from the 8th to the 12th.

[RedCoyote]

Mod, I'm not voting implosion. Get your vote counting skills together

~Fixed.

[fferyllt]

I don't think "playing scummy to get reads based off of how people view you" excuses him from anything, if that's what you're asking.

because he does it every game?

It's part of the reason I'm townreading him. the other stuff is mostly how he's interacting with me and with his scumreads.

I'm telling you this so you won't try to lynch him after I die.

[Wickedestjr]

Okay I've thought about the vig claim. I think it's pretty unlikely that implosion is mafia. If he is, then we will find out soon I think/hope. No idea if he is vig or SK and I actually don't really care to figure that out right now. I think there's incentive for him to aim for scum as SK and I trust that he can make one reasonable shot. He should definitely shoot tonight - two nightkills confirms him as not-mafia, it's a kill not manipulated by mafia, tonight could be his last opportunity, and it essentially gives us an extra lynch

iff

we can block another mafia kill... I don't see any problem with this idea.

[Wickedestjr]

I don't think "playing scummy to get reads based off of how people view you" excuses him from anything, if that's what you're asking.

because he does it every game?

It's part of the reason I'm townreading him. the other stuff is mostly how he's interacting with me and with his scumreads.

I'm telling you this so you won't try to lynch him after I die.

Does he do this as scum? Pretty sure I asked you or him that question earlier but it's hard for me to check right now and I don't remember figuring it out...

[RedCoyote]

It's potentially notable that Nacho was the third spot on both my wagon and the eventual Anen lynch wagon.

Agreed.

Why?

Why is it notable? Because you keep moving your vote.

you said I wasn't reading you, which is a cryptic way of implying that you had soft-claimed prior to that post.

And what makes you say that?

That was my interpretation of it. Let me put it another way, if ns was really just "reaction testing", why wasn't he blunt about that after the test was over? Why did he wait until after a vig claimed to be straight about it? What did he even gain from this so-called "reaction test"? These are the questions I am asking.

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when RC and notsci are interacting it feels like tvs, but that might just be me confbiasing

big whoop, you're townreading everyone except me anyway

P edit 2. i was thinking the same thing nacho. if hes SK we have him by the balls already. if hes not then we save ourselves a PR lynch.

This "use the SK to our advantage" crap always ends up backfiring.

RC, how does using SK to our advantage "always backfire" ?

wtf? don't ask me to prove it, that's just... common knowledge

Truth be told, I have no idea, I just want implosion lynched because he's not me and he's got at least a 50/50 chance of being SK.

Eh... I've heard this said by cooler people than me in similar situations when I was on the opposite end.

[Wickedestjr]

Unvote, Vote: Boon

[RedCoyote]

Wouldn't it be a trip if me, Vinkah and SS were a bloc?

Okay, so, uh, Nacho vs Boon?

[notscience]

I don't think "playing scummy to get reads based off of how people view you" excuses him from anything, if that's what you're asking.

because he does it every game?

It's part of the reason I'm townreading him. the other stuff is mostly how he's interacting with me and with his scumreads.

I'm telling you this so you won't try to lynch him after I die.

implo is liable to shoot me tonight so I don't think it particularly matters what my views are.

[pieguyn]

Are you going to deflect by calling it awful too?

Or just do that to this post?

lol

the reason your post was awful is that you're greatly oversimplifying the logic in a way that fails to take into account motivation. I've outright said in the game thread already you'd be my second choice for lynch after Boon, and I think, entirely objectively, I've clearly had posts where I've questioned you or brought up that I think you're scum (I don't see how you can look at posts like 902, for instance, and try to claim I'm not attempting to "push" you. I also don't see how you can read 1399 and claim I'm "still giving you space").

what you're saying here essentially amounts to me being scum because I'm not voting you. and the only reason I'm not voting you is because ... surprise ... I would rather lynch Boon. and rather than acknowledging that, you're trying to attribute it to ... ~magical cosmic reasons~ ... that don't actually make any sense. in the first place, if I wanted to leave you until LYLO, I wouldn't fucking put you as my backup scum read, I would be all over your wagon trying to get people off it until the game actually reached LYLO - but regardless, it's hardly ever worth it to deliberately pass up a mislynch, and "leaving someone alive until LYLO" is a poor justification for doing so.

what, exactly, am I missing here?

Why would he play this way as scum, though? He's been pretty blatant about it.

Do you think he's aware that he's doing it? Do you think it surprises him that he's being questioned for it?

I don't think he thought he was being as blatant about it as he actually was being. I think he thought he could pass it off like he was overly disengaged with the game and hope no one questioned him over it as a result.

[notscience]

You're missing that I'm town, pie.

[implosion]

Okay.

So multiple people have said I should shoot and multiple people have said not to. In light of wicked's 1456, I'm not sure. I don't feel super strongly about shooting either way. The main reason against it apart from whether or not the town wants to control whether or not I shoot is that the game is in odds but I'm assuming we probably have a protective or interfering role since only Gnomeo died. So idk.

If a lynch winds up happening before I get to post again somehow I'll probably shoot I think.

[fferyllt]

I don't think "playing scummy to get reads based off of how people view you" excuses him from anything, if that's what you're asking.

because he does it every game?

It's part of the reason I'm townreading him. the other stuff is mostly how he's interacting with me and with his scumreads.

I'm telling you this so you won't try to lynch him after I die.

Does he do this as scum? Pretty sure I asked you or him that question earlier but it's hard for me to check right now and I don't remember figuring it out...

here's an iso where he was scum and didn't do an awkward entrance. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

I thought I had seen a game where S-S was third party but I can't find it tonight.

Mostly, he's been town here.

[Boonskiies]

Boonskiies you've gone from voting Wicked to calling him town. What changed your mind?

I said. My wicked votes was me prodging in the form of a Maze Runner reference.

[Boonskiies]

I'm super obv town, and for some reason Pie likes to lynch ObvTown Boon. LLLL. Nacho may be scum buddying me, but meh. I'm too lazy to stop that from happening.

VOTE: Notscience

I'll also go tammy.

[Boonskiies]

Wouldn't it be a trip if me, Vinkah and SS were a bloc?

Okay, so, uh, Nacho vs Boon?

Lynch me over Nacho. He's paying attention more to this game, and I'll be a liability to town later. Better to get me out of it now.

[Boonskiies]

If nacho's scum, he'll become ObvScum later anyways.

[notscience]

I'm super obv town, and for some reason Pie likes to lynch ObvTown Boon. LLLL. Nacho may be scum buddying me, but meh. I'm too lazy to stop that from happening.

VOTE: Notscience

I'll also go tammy.

Do you make a habit of voting town?

[Soft-spoken]

right. i didnt start that game with a scummy RX play. instead... the end of my d1 was premeditated to be superficially scummy for a split second so that i could prove how town I was after i explained how pro town the quick-hammer gambit move was in reality.

my other scum game was a solo WW win ill try to find it

[Soft-spoken]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p6770904

ok here it is. started game blending (setup spec in idea mafia, obv move) and leaving innocent child bread crumbs. ended up taking charge of setup-breaking... and successfully interfered with a protown massclaim that would have won town the game. nowhere here did anyone doubt me for more than a couple posts

[Soft-spoken]

i had a long day yesterday hiking. it was so worth but i feel sore all over and the overwhelming urge to be all sorts of lazy with everything.

RC made more bad posts that are either signs of wrongthinking/not paying attention/ being scum.

take your pick.

i do however... for some weird reason.... like the first line of this post

Wouldn't it be a trip if me, Vinkah and SS were a bloc?

Okay, so, uh, Nacho vs Boon?

[Soft-spoken]

Mod, I'm not voting implosion. Get your vote counting skills together

~Fixed.

also vin isnt voting me, not that it matters bu i like being unscathed at the end of the day

~Fixed.