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/confirm

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VOTE: JeanDarc fourth on the /confirm wagon.

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VOTE: Spiffeh
Every time I try to pronounce this name, I end up sounding like a drooling infant.

Why would you be saying it out loud?
Anyway this is scum let's wagon!

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Vote: SleepyKrew

for breaking our covenant

What is this referring to?

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go team

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Ok
VOTE: catboi

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As for not explaining my vote, when do scum actually vote someone without explanation?

Do you really think this is a valid explanation? If you truly believe this, what's stopping anyone from just naked voting the whole game without explanation? That would make them town according to your logic.

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Kyubey what do you propose we do to progress the game then?

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While I'm not saying Catboi is 100% scum, the fact that he's been the one getting people reactive isn't very pro-town.

Spreading confusion and distrust

is something that would only be advantageous for scum. Of course, maybe thats just how he plays and we really shouldn't be looking too deep into it, but it certainly looks shady.

This seems like scum posturing to vote for catboi down the line. The bolded is just a blanket statement so he has a "reason" for suspecting him and his hop on the wagon later isn't out of the blue. Please give examples of the bolded that made you feel that way.

Well, all we've had recently is just people feeling themselves out. There's literally no basis for any accusations at this point in the game since we haven't got any hard evidence that we can interpret. If the best argument we can make uses "gut feeling" as its base, then we really should refrain from getting too serious this early in the game.

How do you expect us to progress the game? If you have a problem with how others are doing it by all means think of something better. Don't try to stifle discussion this early on no matter how baseless it is.

That being said, I just want to point out that Catboi suddenly stop talking as soon as the attention was off him.

And now he jumps to catboi because he stopped talking???
VOTE: Kyubey The Kid

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Not a fan of RadiantCowbells' ISO either; He is still on his RVS vote. Unless it is now a serious vote, and if that's the case he needs to explain why.

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Shinobi give reasons please. You ask other people to.

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Not a fan of RadiantCowbells' ISO either; He is still on his RVS vote.

Unless it is now a serious vote, and if that's the case he needs to explain why.

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I've seen such comments from scum before, especially given that we are likely pressuring his buddy if he's scum.

Not saying he's scum, just saying that

it's pretty possible to go either way

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Just like everyone else in the game...
Seriously though the bolded portion is playing it too safe to my liking. What's the point of including that phrase?

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Shinobi why aren't you obvtowniing for me?

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I said that because I didn't want anyone getting tunnel vision early on. I don't really have a problem with how anyone's playing; I just wanted to lend some perspective in order to avoid problems that could plague us later on.

As for my suspicion of Catboi, I don't really have any clue as to whether or not he's scum, but they way he kept poking Shinobi even though he just seemed a bit confused struck me as odd. The jumping onto Catboi for his absence was a shot in the dark just to see what would happen. I really wouldn't take anything I say right now seriously, though I'm now in the odd position of being slightly suspicious of him but not being able to press further without adding plausibility to your hypothesis of me. Can I defend my new observation and let you point out any flaws in it without looking more suspicious in your eyes?

I am satisfied by this response for now, but why would my reaction to your press deter you?

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

Getting people to react to things is the best way to evaluate them, to try to get a genuine response. Otherwise, in the early game, you have essentially nothing to go on.

How is this any different from what Shinobi did to you when asking about the "scum line"?

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Given that it was in response to me calling a player town, I didn't have a problem with it. He was just saying he thinks it's a nulltell rather than a towntell.

Oh ok I missed the context because I'm lazy and only looked at his ISO.
Still keeping my vote there though.

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@catboi I interpreted the Shinobi 'incident' as him trying to get the ball rolling by asking what "scum line" meant, you avoiding the question for whatever reason, him pressing you some more with a vote, and you saying SHINOBI is the one overreacting? Am I wrong in the progression here?

Because from what I read you look worse off in that exchange.

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Hi I'm here

You'd probably be better off pestering someone else though!

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It's better than RVS.

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@catboi

Yes it was better than RVS because you actually reacted to it pretty strongly and I doubt an RVS vote would have emitted the same response. No I do not expect everyone to have been "useful" by page 2 but that has nothing to do with determining if the vote was good or not.

Why do you think RC is the wrong vote? Does it have to do with Shinobi voting for him earlier?

JeanDarc's ISO is pretty abysmal. Lots of question asking and theory-ish stuff but no content on the players other than saying someone was scum for replacing out.
LexTrew has even less. I get a more gut town read on him though idrk why. I think it's the "can we talk?" post.
I thought vijay's #46 was weird because he implies you are scum but doesn't follow up on it and votes for someone completely different in his next post.

I do not believe RC is any better than these three so I will be keeping my vote. I would like to hear more from them though, obviously.

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Catboi stop trying to discredit my vote by writing it off as inexperience. You should know that votes this early on are not set in stone and pressure votes exist. RadiantCowbells' most recent post does not do him any favors. I have asked him to elaborate on his Shinobi read and he has not. This is anti-town at best because we well get punished down the road if we allow this behavior to continue, especially in a small game like this.

And FYI I'm not new to forum mafia so please stop treating me like I am. (That sounds sassy but it's not meant to be)

(though it did kind of annoy me)

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Could you elaborate on your Shinobi read for me please?

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Catboi I called RadiantCowbells out for still being on his RVS vote.
He told me that there is nothing random about the vote.
I asked him to explain why he thinks Shinobi is scum, since he claims his vote was serious.
He refuses to do so.
I am not tolerating it and you shouldn't either. His behavior is promoting apathy which destroys towns in games this small. This is the scummiest thing I have seen so far, so I am voting for him.

What exactly are you trying to accomplish right now? You said you weren't going to try to convince me to unvote RC but it looks like that's exactly what you are doing. Why not let the vote play out and see RC's response rather than stifle it?

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Jean who is scum/town and why?

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Actually, further than that, it's pretty silly to suggest that "promoting apathy" is a tactic used by scum, especially in this instance. He intends to make people not care...by pissing them off? This reasoning doesn't really jive at all.

If you thought he was unable to explain his read because it's not real and has no reasoning, I could see someone thinking that - but this as an accusation seems pretty nonsensical to me.

He is making people not care by setting a standard that ignoring questions is fine. If he's town, scum can follow his lead and act the same way to make it more difficult to catch them later on. That is anti-town behavior. And while I agree anti-town is not equal to scum, it is still the scummIEST thing to me so far. As for the bolded, how am I supposed to know if he actually has a reason? How would you know if he refuses to give it? You're giving him the benefit of the doubt for no reason.

Tell me, if he was voting for you and refused to give an explanation, would you not ask why? After he refused to give an explanation, would you not press him?

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And why did you vote RC in the first place if you know he acts like this as town?

I want Jean to answer this too.

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Catboi what things other than your Shinobi read (I've already stated why I disagree with you there) should I find scummier than RC?

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Is anyone else not understanding what catboi's issue with me is? If someone else does could they please explain it to me?

And catboi I still want an answer: Who else is scummy other than Shinobi?

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I am gonna reread your posts and hopefully get back to because at this point in time I don't know what you want from me lol

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Go for it

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UNVOTE: RadiantCowbells

Scorpius what

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RadiantCowbells I don't take your insults much to heart when you have done absolutely jack all this game.

Maybe when you start participating people will understand your opinions better?

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Not thrilled that Shinobi sees someone at L-1 this early and doesn't unvote.

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RC is at L-1 in #205
You post #210
I unvote #212

You saw him at L-1 and left him there.

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Then it's safe to assume you believe his reaction to being at L-1 was scummy? If so why?

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Replace out then please.

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Mod should force replace you anyway for playing against your WC

Joke's on you!

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You probably are town. That is playing against your WC as scum too anyway.

PEdit: I think you are town for your L-1 reaction. That was recent.

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Hi I'm here sorry for inactivity.

I'm gonna read up later tonight and post thoughts.

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@Mod: Replace me

I'm very sorry but some things came up that are forcing me to minimize my commitments here and this game deserves someone who will put in an adequate amount of effort. I apologize for the inconvenience.

Final thoughts: RC is definitely town, Jean is my largest scumread. Vijay after him.