Mini 1700: Space Mafia (Game Over)

[Scorpious]

VOTE: yoloswag123

for combining 2 of the most 12 year-old girl words into one name

[Scorpious]

UNVOTE: yoloswag123

only skimmed so far,but its obvious that RVS is over.have to catch up at work.

[Scorpious]

I look at the whole RVS situation and get null everywhere. I have never seen that happen before. It almost seems like a joke that just went too far. It is really hard for me to pull out any kind of read off of joke phase votes.

I'm leaning town on Frag. very slightly. I can't tell if he's trying to be the over-concerned townie at the moment or not,His posts seem measured..

Slandaar seems just invested enough but says he wants to find scum.again,slight town read.

Blockyman has just been the subject of RVS banter,but otherwise has been dead,so null there for me.

Sword Master is on my early lynch list. I hate when people do things and say it's to "make the game more fun". Especially claiming scum. I almost feel he must be lynched now,based on the fact that if he is indeed scum,that makes the rest of us absolute idiots. I truly hate that he did that..


VOTE: Sword Master

[Scorpious]

@SwordMaster

What is your overall experience with Mafia games? On any site..

[Scorpious]

One thing that also gets me is scorpious's vote on sword master. It seems to be more "I'm annoyed with what they did" rather than "They are scum".

fair point,yes indeed. It annoyed me,because regardless now,it's in the game,that's why it bothers me so much. Considering we have what,13 days? I see no issue in throwing a vote or two around,see what sticks. Do you?

[Scorpious]

VOTE: scorpious cause his pushing of sword master for what was obviously a joke post was "forced scumhunting" to me, looked v forced

I agree that it would look forced it if was an "obvious" joke post,but it was #80..that's a little late to be making joke posts,no?

Eh how do u kno he didnt make that role up? Dont think its modkillable. Sword master is that a legit claim or are u making a 'joke' again?

Here you are deffinetly not giving the impression that you ever bought his first claim as a joke,so why are you telling me it was obvious.

Slandaar also voted him based on this,why are you not asking him anything?

Blocky man voted him "for everyone else's reasons" yet your vote goes to me?

Now for your 3 questions:

scorpious are u going to take ur vote off of swordmaster?

For the moment no. I'd like to hear more from him,before I do. Just to ease my mind

do u believe his claim?

again,would love to hear just a little more, I'm feeling inclined to do so..

did u think it was scummy or just dumb of him to claim mafia during the rvs stage of game?

Again,this one is a little more tricky because the post in question was on page 4, I think calling that rvs stage is stretching it,reading the posts around it,and quite a few prior to it.It seemed almost certain the rvs phase was over.. So having said that. I think it was just a dumb move,regardless of alignment..

[Scorpious]

damn i didn't realize that the "i'm mafia" post was on page 4, i think it was clearly an early game joke tho

it was an obvious joke because no one claims scum on page 4 of a game lol

ok now I'm confused.. you litterally just said you didn't realize the post was on page 4,and you say " I THINK it was clearly an early game joke "

then four words later you call it obvious again..

also you say you are waiting "to hear a little more" from swordmaster, what specifically?

Well,I did specifically ask him a question about his experience for one,which I feel is very rational given the situation.I'd like to hear about that. Also he hasn't really given us much more than his claim. I don't see the problem in giving it some time..

[Scorpious]

131

did u think it was scummy or just dumb of him to claim mafia during the rvs stage of game?

I answered the question using one of your two options that you presented,what would you have said if I said I thought it was scummy,instead of dumb?

scorpious wrote:
I think it was just a dumb move,regardless of alignment..


well are we trying to lynch people who make 'dumb moves' or people who are mafia?

Why are you asking questions,then twisting my answers?

[Scorpious]

it was clearly a joke, imo.

"in your opinion" is not "obvious".

It is a dumb argument, I agree. you based a vote on it though.. So I just wanted to be clear.. it's a weak vote.

[Scorpious]

VOTE: scorpious cause his pushing of sword master for what was obviously a joke post was "forced scumhunting" to me, looked v forced

i voted for you because I think your posting has been disingenuous and you've been making poor cases in at attempt to look like you are scumhunting

I made

one

case and have explained it thoroughly.I explained the vote,and my intentions with the vote. I think you should take your own advice and cease this argument. you are beginning to look foolish. And your insistance is starting to give off a scum vibe..

If you want to talk about poor cases,and that being grounds for scum,yours is..pretty poor..

[Scorpious]

@Sword Master,I'm also getting used to these long ass game days, I'm used to much shorter,but my vote on you wasn't really to get a lynch but to just apply a little bit more pressure to make you feel the need to explain yourself. I dont think I would have the gall to expect my RL day 1 vote to not change at all.. However,all that being said,I'm satisfied with you for now..
UNVOTE: SwordMaster

[Scorpious]

Sigh,wtf is that Sword? You put someone on L-1,then say anyone that votes is scummy? This is the second strange thing you have done. Y'know,the whole "fool me once" bit?

I got questioned about my vote on you last time,but this one seems off too.

@RedFF, what do you think of this latest move by Sword?

[Scorpious]

I'm actually reading Garmr vs Glass as TvT.. Seems like people are taking sides here,but neither of them pings scum to me right now..

[Scorpious]

@slandaar
I've posted my opinions on sword, I was mistaken in believing he put block on L-1,however my comment remains.

with that being said,can you tell me why the someone doing really strange things so far is your "towniest' read? Or do you have other town reads?

[Scorpious]

@Red

can you please address my 185?

[Scorpious]

there isn't much chance of a quicklynch here, people on this site will get careful once we hit l-1/l-2, little chance of a quickhammer

logic dictates that if you vote someone, you are suspicious of them and want other people to vote them too, no?

I have to agree with redFF here, if you vote someone, you are obviously suspicious and want others to vote them too.

Might just be me, then. When I vote someone it's not necessarily to get them lynched (though obviously sometimes that is the case, especially if there are other votes on them). Often I'm testing others' reactions to the vote. I think reading somebody's vote as a black and white indicator of what they think about the person they are voting is overly simplistic and a narrow-minded way of looking at things, and could cause you to miss nuance if you're trying to get a read on them.

damn this is pretty scummy tbh, seems like you're overcalculating

can you please tell me what is scummy about this? I did the exact same thing with my Sword vote. If you see your vote as just a way to get someone lynched,you're kinda cheating yourself. I use my vote as a way to apply pressure all the time. This site uses a standard 2 week gameday. That's long. Like I said. I think its rather ballsy to think that a vote put down on rl day 3 isnt going to change at all. This being said,I dont find this a scummy move by glass..

[Scorpious]

Alright something needs to happen.

Slandaar seems just invested enough but says he wants to find scum.again,slight town read.

I am conflicted on this.

1. It seems like scum would read me null at this point in the game.
2. It is literally ridiculous to even mention me saying I want to find scum in his read.

Post your opinions.

1. I'm not quite sure where you are going here.. I think you are town..
2.Why is it ridiculous? At that point,that is essentially all you had posted..

[Scorpious]

1. I'm not quite sure where you are going here.. I think you are town..
2.Why is it ridiculous? At that point,that is essentially all you had posted..

In point 1 I am saying, I think, scum would read my play as null as it seems the thing to do considering the situation.

If I say I want to find scum does this

really

influence your read on me? just going to believe me?

again on point 1. You had not offered much to that point,but based on what little you did I guess I have a gut feeling on you as town and just figured I would try to substantiate it with a little. but that's really all I can offer you. At that point I have 2 options,believe you,or don't. At that point and at this current stage. I'm reading you as town..

[Scorpious]

@Gray, first. Welcome

second,can you elaborate just a little more on that vote? I'm also leaning scum on Garmr,I'm curious if we are on the same page here.

[Scorpious]

Deas seams pretty town. I like Sland too, just not as much.

Instead of a big catchup post ask me anything and I will reply. I promise.

How do you feel about being a replacement player? Have you ever done it before?How did that\those game(s) turn out? If any..

and happy late scumday

[Scorpious]

So you no response to 322 then?

Pretty much.

Are you flat out telling him you won't answer his question? And if so.. Why?

[Scorpious]

@Firebringer, not answering questions is one of the scummiest things you can do. I had you as town up until that post. Who are you to determine what a "fluff" question is? I think a weak question is less scummy than the refusal to answer. If its a fluffy question,then responding to it should be easy. What do you have to hide anyway? Only a scum would be hesitant to answer anything..

@Blocky,you're on L-1.. Is that really your defense here? How about explaining yourself.

[Scorpious]

Actually,I take that back..Maybe

the vote count has axwell on blocky,but Gray voted Garmr..

sooo,I guess he is only L-2? @MOD-can we get a clarification VC please?

and while we're on it..id love to see that content that Gray promised us..

[Scorpious]

I don't answer questions that I feel are completely pointless or are going to enter me into a circle of questions.

I can't get over this statement. One,who are you to judge what is or what isn't a pointless question. If you asked me a question and I said "I'm not answering,that's pointless" What would you say to me,or anyone? Two, this "circle" of questions is usually referred to a "line of questioning" Which I feel is an absolutley acceptable Town behavior,in fact I like seeing these from people,especially when they are thought out. Do detectives stop after one question? Do lawyers? I dont like it..

VOTE: Firebringer

[Scorpious]

Scorpius you realize lawyers lead you into line of questioning to get the results they wanted. Not finding the truth they load questions and know the answers to them beforehand or they wouldn't ask it. So your analogy is terribad

Let me straw man a question for you:
What's your favorite color?

Ohh didn't answer? Scum!!!

It's blue.. and this is a terrible attempt to twist my meaning.. Dude, If we all avoided "pointless" questions,these games would be 4 pages long..

Answering questions is a necessity. Avoiding questions is almost anti-town,because if you are town. You are being needlessly suspicious..

[Scorpious]

victor my man frag is not getting lynched today, so you're gonna wanna hop on this firebringer wagon

@mod could we have a vc pls

we have 3 days til day 1 ends so we gotta get on our shit, blocky is not the lynch and will flip town i think, so we should get this firebringer shit started imo

hate these declaration posts.. Something about red that doesn't sit right with me. I hate when people "know" what's going to happen..

btw, I voted firebringer for avoiding questions. I also want to ISO red.. More to come..

[Scorpious]

@Frag

pocket attempt? Never heard that..

[Scorpious]

@Frag

pocket attempt? Never heard that..

What's this Scorpious? I see no answer to my question?!

Allow me to remind you of it:

Scorpious what is your opinion on Blocky?

fair.. Let me do an ISO. I dont think there is much..

[Scorpious]

Well,up until 22,it was RVs nonsense..

125 was a horrendous vote..

then he questions your Sword read. (208)This one bothers me because it seems like he's asking why you are discrediting the "easy" lynch of the day..

262 comes off to me as " people always think I'm scum,so dont do it this game. Woe is me everyone is always wrong about me.. Please dont think I'm scum this game.. Dont like it..

269 he tries to justify his Sword vote. I feel like he thinks this still might be an easy lynch for scum to push..

275 is more woe is me,talking about how 2-3 votes on him are still RVs..

284- lazy ass reads

296- another one on a super inactive player..

339- another declaration of staying on sword.

375-useless fluff

wow,I didn't realize how friggn scummy he really looked.. I would support a blocky lynch..

(sorry for lazy format,on phone)

[Scorpious]

Because I form my own opinions Slandaar..

[Scorpious]

Im not taking my vote off sword after causing all this controversy, and then going V/LA.

UNVOTE: Swordmaster

This is just adding to the laundry list of weird things you are doing. It's almost like so in all our faces now that we become idiots by default if we don't get you out of here. I think you are newb scum more than clueless town. You are offering NOTHING in the form of hunting,and I shutter to think of even the most outside possibilty of you having a NK as a vig..

I am going to put you at L-2,because I do find you scummy as all get up,and I would like to see how you respond.Plus we are in a good range where I think this needs to happen. My only other canidate is Firebringer but,but I think my vote will do more on Blocky.

UNVOTE: Firebringer
VOTE: BlockyMan

[Scorpious]

UNVOTE: unvote

VOTE: vote:grayfoxx

yeah blocky not actually knowing what a vig was just cements my further sentiments.

What's this have to do with Gray then? Did I miss something?

pedit: essentially this..

[Scorpious]

UNVOTE: unvote

VOTE: vote:grayfoxx

yeah blocky not actually knowing what a vig was just cements my further sentiments.

I'm sorry.. You have to explain this to me a little better.

What "further sentiments" are being cemented? and how does this relate to grayfoxxx in any way?

[Scorpious]

My reads:
Frag is town because I know his playstyle and he likes to interrogate people.
redFF is town for making protown posts.
More coming soon.

I actually think Fire's playstyle right now is similar to Frag's town playstyle.

VOTE: Firebringer
Ive been suspecting him all game, and all the sudden he got really cocky.
Frag I used your terminology because I liked the sound of "mislynch express". I dont know why I did, but I did.

Are you being serious right now? You're getting way to tripped up by yourself.. My vote is staying right where it is

[Scorpious]

Can we please have a vc?

[Scorpious]

@Slandaar

that was quick(10 posts) There really is nothing to research on him..

he's apparently been looking at ISO since last Friday. Realistically, there is nothing that rings to me as scum aside from inactivity..

we need to get our shit straight though. We are going to start pushing it. I think D1 lynches are imperative. So I would support a gray lynch if needed.

[Scorpious]

Foxx. I haaate being activity police. Hate it..

but 5 days for.. A read on Garmr isnt content.

I'll help.

what are your thoughts on the two current candidates? Forget Garmr. He isn't getting lynched tonight..

[Scorpious]

Fair enough,just remember were getting close..

[Scorpious]

1. Gray decided it was a good idea not to catchup in the game (this one) that is near deadline and help lynch a good candidate (in his mind). Instead he posted elsewhere (a lot).

I noticed this also. I was just unaware on how to approach it without breaking rules..

[Scorpious]

it might have been obvious to everyone,but I just realized it..

The deadline clock in the vc is real time.. kinda cool.. 19 hrs

[Scorpious]

This is painful actually..

[Scorpious]

@slandaar,honestly. It looks like his vote goes where the wind takes it. They seem a little weak and somewhat forced?
I dont like how he stated he was leaning firebringer(who I'm suspicious of also for dodging questions..) then jumped on the blocky wagon with his next post.
I switched also,however I felt my reason was more clear.
What do you have against people using ISO?

[Scorpious]

Ok, my slot had claimed yesterday. I shot nugget because I felt he was scum. We are indeed missing a kill. I'm not sure what information this gives us yet, but it should be immensely helpful with things down the road.

I also have no idea what to make of this.. Can we get thoughts from the group here?

[Scorpious]

At work.. Going to try to catch up.. Hope to be useful asap.

[Scorpious]

@Slandaar,

Logical.. However,the trio of job,girlfriend and mom in the hospital kinda ate up my time yesterday.

I'm aware I said yesterday morning I would catch up. Sorry.

I -am- doing that now.. Slower work day. I do have a strong town lean on you though. I think your hunting is concise and you don't do walls. I hate walls. I'll look further back to see if you asked anything,and to get some more reads,but feel free to ask anything..

[Scorpious]

Hello Scorpious

What do you think about Yolo? what do you think about Gray? I don't want to see any of this ISO business to create a read.

Yolo-his trio of posts 449466and540 strike me as a little wishy washy.I have a scum read onFfire based on him dodging questions in D1,but His votes are all over the place.. in 540 he says he would be willing to lynch Fire over blocky then 2 posts later says he reads Fire as "over confident town". Then funds himself on the blocky wagon,and that seems very opportunistic.

Gray-His last 5 posts are "active lurking" at it's finest. After tellling me and you that his lack of activity was due to losing a job(sucks man,sorry). He just continued to string us along saying his personal shit was cleared up,he then asks what the group would like him to address? Then nothing again.. I also want to see more from this slot. All he has asked is essentially "What do I do now guys?"

I would at this point put Yolo and Gray on my list with Fire(for question avoidance) as my top 3 scum right now..

[Scorpious]

I'll put a vote on the leading wagon before I sleep tonight.

Deas,Do you see how this can come off as lazy and opportunistic? You held true.. Was there any other basis to your vote other than this?

[Scorpious]

Hmmmmm I don't think fragged is scum.

Neither do I think that DV is either.

I want confirmation on night action before I consider voting .

Hmmm

You know what, I could see it.

VOTE: Doctor Vahlen

you were waiting for confirmation before you were even going to consider voting,then 3 posts later you vote DV because you "could see it?".

[Scorpious]

I'll put a vote on the leading wagon before I sleep tonight.

Deas,Do you see how this can come off as lazy and opportunistic? You held true.. Was there any other basis to your vote other than this?

If you're going to accuse me of being lazy and opportunistic when I'm trying to get a lynch through (I don't see how one could ever make an argument for lynching Blocky being worse than no-lynching), then I really don't know what to say. Why did you even make this post?

but you didn't specify blocky,you said the leading wagon,and please answer my question,was that the only reason you voted? was because he was the leading wagon? and please spare me the "Why did you even make this post?" crap.. that's always such a weak thing to say..

[Scorpious]

I think it was kind of obvious that I just wanted a lynch. I thought Blocky was town, but obviously with the number of people that didn't I'd rather lynch him than do nothing and have the same thing happen Day 2.

I'll give just a little here. That choice at the end of a day where it is the leading wagon but it's a town read for you,does kinda suck..

I agree that a lynch is imperative..

[Scorpious]

I think it was kind of obvious that I just wanted a lynch. I thought Blocky was town, but obviously with the number of people that didn't I'd rather lynch him than do nothing and have the same thing happen Day 2.

I'll give just a little here. That choice at the end of a day where it is the leading wagon but it's a town read for you,does kinda suck..

I agree that a lynch is imperative..

I am actually interested in why you pursued this line of questioning with me though. What did you expect to get?

I'm trying to gain a little insight into the motivation for your votes,that's all..I'm trying to determine if you were in fact just concerned about getting a lynch,or really just saying that ,so you had a wagon to carry you.

[Scorpious]

I am leaning slightly town on you..

[Scorpious]

@Slandaar, I really don't understand why you are pushing a lynch on me based on me using ISO to make reads.. You still haven't told me why its so bad. You just keep saying it..

[Scorpious]

Do you have anything else?

you also just asked your biggest scum read from d1 to vote me with you. I dont understand that either. My only guess is that you are throwing around weak cases in hope that scum will see an opportunity to push a town lynch..

you know the reason for voting me is weak at best, but if somebody starts to buy into it.. Boom! Scum..

[Scorpious]

Hmmm

You know what, I could see it.

VOTE: Doctor Vahlen

Can you elaborate on this a little more? especially since you said this three posts before:

I want confirmation on night action before I consider voting .

[Scorpious]

@Firebringer, Are you going to address 778?

[Scorpious]

@Firebringer, Are you going to address 778[/quite]
No, not really.

That make me scum?

Not answering questions is very scummy. This is not the first time you have blatantly avoided answering something either.. How does this help town?

VOTE: Firebringer

[Scorpious]

@Slandaar

where do you stand on your other "scum" reads. You seem to have forgotten those..

[Scorpious]

@Slandaar,do you really think a wagon on me will form based on you having an issue with me using ISO?

I like your scum hunting.. I do. But I feel like your case is a major reach,and seeing whoever buys into it will give you an idea who is being opportunistic and sheepish. I also do that. I'd like to think your reasoning on me would go beyond the use of ISO. You seem too smart to base a scum read on that.

What do you think about Firebringer flat out refusing to answer questions? Shouldn't that be more of a red flag?

[Scorpious]

So other than "ok" and "that makes sense". Garmr and Fire,can you please give some more reasoning behind your votes on me?

[Scorpious]

So, chop chop, back to you posting actual reasoning for your stance on Scorpious.

Yes,please do..

[Scorpious]

@Slandaar, Have you done anything else the last 3 RL days?

You're just telling people to get on my "glorious" wagon. How does that help town?

[Scorpious]

So basically you just picked me for an informational lynch,with no real good reasons?

Instead of probing others? Seems real lazy man..

[Scorpious]

So you no response to 322 then?

Pretty much.

Are you flat out telling him you won't answer his question? And if so.. Why?

Great question! Actually not really lol

I don't answer questions that I feel are completely pointless or are going to enter me into a circle of questions.

For example you asking me another question about what I just said is a circle and I probably wouldn't reply unless my reply I felt needed to be said or would stop the questions.

Sometime I feel people in these games just ask questions to fill a void when they don't have anything to say themselves I am guilty of doing this quite a bit too so I don't expect answers to my fluff questions so I don't answer what I perceive as such also.

This was Fire's reasoning for not answering.

if this is legit to you,than what the hell are we all doing here? Not answering questions because you are afraid of follow up questions or a "circle" is absurd. Do you not agree?

[Scorpious]

What do I have to do to get you clowns to vote Scorpious?

pehaps quit grasping at straws.. Are you doing anything else but championing my lynch..

also,I'll catch up later..

[Scorpious]

Would anyone else agree that Slandaar's posts have officially crossed the fluff barrier? We get it dude,you think I'm scum,and you're wrong. Care to address anything else? Anything?

[Scorpious]

Stop twisting my words Slandaar. My issue was question avoidance in itself. I welcome any questions..

Side note. I would not support a frag lynch today.

[Scorpious]

What question Slandaar?

[Scorpious]

Frag posts and you just dismiss it..now I see why you're so ok with fire bringer picking and choosing what questions to answer.
I dont think you're scum Sland, I think you're just kind of idiot town atm..

[Scorpious]

Tunnel much Slandarr? lol

[Scorpious]

@Slandaar

what about your other reads? care to share those?

[Scorpious]

A wagon stalling is not going to stop me from wanting a lynch on who I think is scum.

Are you willing to support another candidate to secure a lynch?

[Scorpious]

Fitz,are you back?

[Scorpious]

So if I just fill the thread with pictures of alien innards, would that be useful?

I don't even want to know what you did to that sectoid in the containment chamber..

[Scorpious]

I claim a very solid result against Scorpious but not a cop result.Scorpious it is time for you to claim.

umm,how about no. Are we getting to bottom of your bag of tricks? Somebody says my wagon is stalling an you resort to this?

This is like the worst ploy ever. Now I know you are full of it..Thank you . I know you just didn't ask me to claim based on this.. just really really bad.. almost laughable..

You just outright lied.. now: you defending Firebringer makes even more sense.

I now believe that Slandaar and Fire are scum buddies after this post,now to find the third..

[Scorpious]

Really reaching into that bag there Slandaar..

ok,fine.. I'm a 2 shot doc, I protected vahlen last night because Xcom is like my favorite game ever..

Thanks fool.. Now I die tonight..

UNVOTE: firebringer
VOTE: Slandaar

why would you do this?

[Scorpious]

How can a watcher see two visits? I dont buy that,and if you do. I got some beachfront property in the Midwest to sell you..

[Scorpious]

Oh well it was fun.. Wincon baby!! Goodnight Slandaar ..

[Scorpious]

Slandaar, that was fun. Thanks for that engagement..