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[VeeGee]

Sorry I'm late, guys!

[VeeGee]

I see things have been going great without me.

[VeeGee]

I have no idea what this is all about.

[VeeGee]

Which is odd, considering I don't like it at all, besides the fact that it concerns me.

[VeeGee]

UNVOTE: I am Innocent for now, I was hoping to get something out of that RVS vote, but alas. I want you to talk!

VeeGee

and

Talah

both seem confused from what little content that they contributed, which is usually never a good thing. However, while Talah actually asks decent probing questions to clear up her confusion and get a read, VeeGee adds unnecessary comments and doesn't appear to try to understand the situation. I could only see this coming from the perspective of a lazy town or a low-effort scum.
Either way, I'd like to hear him speak more. Soooo VOTE: Veegee Hi.

I still don't like

catboi

's focus on me, when there's others who have lacked content on the whole. I don't see how my post 104 was so egregious, it's pretty clear I was trying to catch up to a game's speed I wasn't used to with some quick thoughts in a lax tone. And my point on IaI is clearly contentious, but I think I still had a point at the time. Choof in some ways agreed with me here: 129, and AJ kinda had the same idea.

Actually, reread and I liked what choof did with Banana that many interpret as an argument, reminds me of what Bacde did with me once.
Also of the TvT argument with Banana that ended bad.
I want to know if the gripes

@Choof

had with Banana is legit or was it all a reaction test. If so the former, that makes me curious about

Kyubey

who went all in for real with the Banana case. I'd like to know from him if he still thinks Banana is scummy.

FAQ's last post does bug me a bit, not enough to vote though. I would expect him to know better though, rather than trying to get brownie points.

@Banana

Care to explain the Luna vote?

@Performer

I'd like to know your reads now that all of your initial scumreads apparently dissipated.

@Luna Fox

You don't interact too much with some of your townreads, like Talah and Kyubey. Wouldn't that make you more sure if that's your playstyle? I understand some people can have town actions, but are they really that strong when it comes to those two?

You know how my location reads "Probably at School?" Yeah, it isn't just for show. I will be able to post more now that it's the weekend.

[VeeGee]

Banana switched from Luna to me pretty fast.

[VeeGee]

So, wait, did the argument over lynching me just stop randomly?

[VeeGee]

Not sure what that has to do with my post you quoted, but okay.

[VeeGee]

And I've been engaging in discussion. Your point?

Or is this just another iteration of Fox News?

this sounds like a frustrated scum post

why are you being sarcastic? the wagon on you is clearly real.

Is this the only post of zakk's that really is pointing anything out?

[VeeGee]

Yet he manages to slip under the radar.

[VeeGee]

Because I don't think I've seen a single post saying that they should post more, yet I become the main wagon, and I think I still am.

[VeeGee]

Quite.



pedit: Aj is probably town

For scum, I don't really have any strong leads, which will hopefully change soon.



Also, pointless? Pretty sure

You post good content, then there's no issue. However we're at the weekend, I'm pretty sure it's time for you to hold up your end of the bargain.

is good reason.

[VeeGee]

I still need somde interactions to happen if I'm going to be able to look into certain actions.

[VeeGee]

Also, catboi, I wasn't trying to say "Ignore me, look at zakk," I was trying to make it known that zakk hadn't posted content either.

[VeeGee]

Yeah, I tried to do that once, got called scum because of it.

[VeeGee]

It's happened, they claimed I was "trying too hard to seem town."

[VeeGee]

Vee, what do you think about that song? Especially about the part, "it doesn't even matter how hard you try?"

Briefly tell me about your school. Do you like the school you go to?
What is the last thing you ate for lunch at your school?
If you weren't in school...what would you be doing? And tell me, why?
What is the weather like in your city at the moment?
If I were to ask your friends, would they say you're an honest person?
Have you ever lied to someone? If so, what was it about what?
How do you feel about lying in general?
Has your lurker activity been brought up past games, like it was brought up by catboi in this game? Low-hanging fruit, he mentioned. I'd imagine ripe fruit at that level can be picked, washed, bitten into, and would taste delicious. But I'd prefer a professional do the follow-up process because I wouldn't want to encounter nasty bugs that will kill me after eating a poorly-washed low-hanging fruit.

Back to FM.
If your lurker activity has been brought up before, what do people normally say about that?
Are they usually right or wrong? Why?
Would you say you're a better mafia or town player? Why?

And...if I were to shoot you on night 1
what do you think about that?

I do like my school.
I had a burger.
I'd be playing games, because I do those things
Cloudy
Probably.
Yes, and I won't tell you what it was about.
I usually am against it except in rare occasions.
Yes.
The typical "You're scum because you're lurking" stuff.
Wrong. I've mostly been VT on this site.
I'd say town, mostly due to only having one scum game.




That last question.....




is that a claim?

[VeeGee]

I don't think he is scum, I just find him annoying.

So why are you attacking him?

[VeeGee]

Explain how its anti town to prod and question you? I'm looking forward to this.

What are you trying to accomplish here? Intentionally trying to get a rise out of me like choof did? A second time? What's to gain from a town perspective? Why can't you just address the concern instead if stooping so low?

He's tryung to turn this into a game ruining fight. Intentionally. Given the game he was referencing before that I can't say anything more on, this is scummy as hell.

In fact I think its comical that Vedith accuses me of being anti town when he's essentially goading a town read of his for apparently no reason other than to try to piss me off. Trying to discredit things I'm pointing out by belittling me. Why would he do that if not scum?

This post is unacceptable. You know as well as anyone else that no one else can use on-going games so it's largely irrelevant to discussions. And because Banana keeps giving you shit over this, you're refusing to answer his/her questions? More importantly, you've just had this constant train of ad hominem. I don't know in what world you imagine this to be helping but we're functioning on a completely body of work-based record when choosing who's more important to the game-state. I don't think it takes much to gather who's more important using that metric.

Until he starts to actually ask me questions which isn't the same thing over and over I will ignore him.
So before you go into one learn the facts is all I'm saying.

These questions all seem to be different.

[VeeGee]

Good-o.

Actually I forgot to mention

@VeeGee

@choof

Vote pl0x.

Judging by the position tge gaje's in, I don't think I'll be staying without voting for very long.

[VeeGee]

To be honest, his first Vig claim wasnt a vig claim, as he just said if he shot me, which could also be a scumclaim that he tried to correct by softclaiming vig.


Of course, I'm probably just overanalyzing things.

[VeeGee]

He only has 10 posts, however. I don't feel like that's enough to make a full on read.

[VeeGee]

That's why he said to wait and see.

[VeeGee]

Which, of course, would require you to actually be correct.

[VeeGee]

The reason that nobody's following you is that you're simply being an a-hole.

[VeeGee]

[VeeGee]

[VeeGee]

There's no real proof that they're intentionally doing it unless they literally say that they're intentionally doing it.

[VeeGee]

So you claim to have to replace out due to outside circumstances, yet say that you won't if given a chance in game?


I am actually quite confused.


pedit: Oh, okay, that makes a bit more sense.

[VeeGee]

So are you claiming vig or something?

[VeeGee]

Hmm. Last time I checked, wasn't choof doing that, not Banana?

[VeeGee]

I know which posts I made that were childish, I don't regret them and I already know that you're going to try to shift the attention from my valid questions/pressure to me calling out your passive-aggressive hissy fit

don't even bother quoting them

The last time I reaponded to posts like this it did not end well so you're officially on ignore.

because they provoked a reaction. you're town.

Here's the post where he said so, btw.

[VeeGee]

Before you do so, could you possibly unvote? The person you replaced had placed a vote, and Banana may be prematurely lynched. Highly unlikely, but you never know. Heck, you can revote them if you want to.

[VeeGee]

Just sit down and shut the fuck up, you're replacing out anyway.

you're right, my posts are totally uncalled for.

hard-claiming

Town Friendly Neighbor

during the night, I send in a name and that person is notified that I am town. I'll let my replacement decide whose name to send in.

requesting replacement as of this post, I don't feel like being called a "fucking moron" for posting

Here, let me bold that for you.

@mod, choof has requested to replace out.

Just in case.

[VeeGee]

Also, two people voted for Vedith, Banana and IaI.

[VeeGee]

Ah, hadn't caught that.

[VeeGee]

Wait, why's Catboi being replaced? Also hi Skybird!

[VeeGee]

The more I see you post, Banana, the less I like you.

VOTE: BananaCucho

[VeeGee]

So many replacements recently.

[VeeGee]

Holy crap that was a LOT of reading to do.

[VeeGee]

You know what would be great is if lynches were always decided at deadline by most votes instead of majority.

I constantly find Day 1 a nightmare where the majority of players think it's a good idea to decide with minutes to spare on a 2 week timer. It's not exciting, just infuriating.

Okay then.


VOTE: Performer because they're most likely to be lynched today.

[VeeGee]

If he doesn't answer, I'll be the Hammerlord.

[VeeGee]

As long as I'm not at school, of course.

[VeeGee]

Then reveal?

Yeah, you should probably claim, then.

[VeeGee]

I don't think Zakk's a television.

[VeeGee]

DEADLINE: 1 day, 20 hours, 54 minutes

In all seriousness, we need to lynch somebody, and we need to do it NOW.

intent to hammer

pedit: I know, it's perfect.

[VeeGee]

Well, this is still going, time to hammer.


VOTE: Zakk

[VeeGee]

Yeah I just spotted the scum.

Performer's using an old tactic I used to use as scum. Super justification of a lynch I'm already on. Better make sure everyone knows my conviction even after I've been voting and no one in their right mind would expect me to go elsewhere anyways! More importantly, it's more a history lesson with performer than any justification. He reeks of scum and we could've lynched him had we not shot ourselves in the foot by sheeping someone who had read all of like 8 pages.

Just because you do it as scum, doesn't mean town players can't do it too.

[VeeGee]

But I agree, I do wish we could have lynched performer.

[VeeGee]

Yeah they are, they're a PR that replaces the TV of your target at night. It detects whether or not the target is either watching you (the TV) at home or is visiting.

Pretty good role, kinda like a weaker tracker. Shame that Zakk claimed it, it's a bit too late to stop the wagon.

Isn't this basically what the Motion Detector is?

[VeeGee]

We're lynching performer or fa_q2 tomorrow. And sheeping someone who has read just over 1/5th of the game thread generally results badly. Also, TheWorst is probably scum at this point.

Tallah, don't act as if Titus' actions weren't the driving reason the performer wagon died.

If Worst is scum, and Performer and FAQ are scum, don't you think at least ONE of them may be town?

[VeeGee]

I do agree that Performer needs to be lynched tomorrow.

[VeeGee]

No, because I also got his role. Skybird also might need to be lynched btw.

Nope, he's town.

[VeeGee]

Why did you want to attract the NK? Are you Bulletproof?

[VeeGee]

Why not vote one of your OTHER scumreads, then?

[VeeGee]

Please paraphrase the friendly neighbor message please in your next post. Both of you.

It literally just says "Skybird is towh." Anything more, and I would have to copy+paste. It really is that simple.

[VeeGee]

I'm not sure i understand, but the mafiawiki says that FN is necessarily town (if the claim is true that is)

One isfake if the PMs are different.

Town-aligned Friendly Neighbor is considered Normal on mafiascum.net. Messages sent on behalf of a Friendly Neighbor must be identical.

From the wiki.

Nah, I hadn't read AJ's post yet. His is closer to what I got. I was just trying to shorten it.

[VeeGee]

Titus, It's not coaching, I am town. But possibly VG is scum and trying to get me lynched by making my FN message look wrong.

How am I scum for trying to paraphrase it differently?

[VeeGee]

I'm not sure i understand, but the mafiawiki says that FN is necessarily town (if the claim is true that is)

One isfake if the PMs are different.

Town-aligned Friendly Neighbor is considered Normal on mafiascum.net. Messages sent on behalf of a Friendly Neighbor must be identical.

From the wiki.

Nah, I hadn't read AJ's post yet. His is closer to what I got. I was just trying to shorten it.

VOTE: Vee
until you answer the questions, which you've galloped over on the horse of ignore, for quite some miles now.

1130 - remind me again, Vee, why did you just sheep my wagon on d1? Because I was most likely to be lynched?
And how about for zak? Because he happened to be most likely to be lynched on d1?
What's your read on CDB?

Quote these "questions" then.

Yes. If you read the post you would have seen that.

[VeeGee]

@Skybird, why did you answer for V?

Seriously? I didn't claim. My predecessor claimed before replacing out. I am town so the rest of you who are town, what who pushes my lynch today. And you also need to take a long hard look at Worst and AJ. If you don't believe there are two FN in the game, after I flip town you know where to go next.

P-edit: VG, because you are making it look like my FN claim is false. Why as town would you do that? (hint, you wouldn't.)

Why would you assume I was intentionally doing it?

[VeeGee]

Yes. Because I tried to paraphrase it.


And it came out differently than how AJ decided to paraphrase it.


He was more accurate that I was.

Pedit: Skybird, Town Firendly Neighbor, is town.

[VeeGee]

Yes.

[VeeGee]

basically your opinion is "Let's lynch town "

So if we have obvious scum, you think that this is the wrong attitude to have?
The fact that people diverting away from lynching AJ or either FN is what makes me concerned that there is an obvious scum in that section too trying to draw focus away.
(This means you or Sala, and I'm pretty sure Sala is town).

Okay.

Why should we lynch any claim today?

So anyone that claims won't get lynched today?
Seriously, you are coming across as a... No I can't say that, I'll get a finger wagged at me, but you can assume I'm not calling you a swell person.

Ou, so NOW you have manners. Where where they before?

[VeeGee]

Anyway, Vee, these were my questions - why did you just sheep my wagon on d1? Because I was most likely to be lynched?
And how about for zak? Because he happened to be most likely to be lynched on d1?
Note - you mentioned at least one of us was "most likely to be lynched" when you voted us. I'm asking you to clarify. What was YOUR reason to vote me and zak.

I'm pretty sure I had already answered this question multiple times already.

[VeeGee]

@Performer, Yes. Now stop buddying me. It's creepy.

You mean just like how you were D1?

[VeeGee]

FNs in my book are guilty

until proven innocent.

Second,

Skybird cannot be guilty

unless VeeGee also is guilty.

That's quite a contradoction there.

[VeeGee]

How? XD

You need to re read that I think, VeeGee.
Is Sky is guilty, then you are as well.

Same as if TheWorst is guilty, so is AJ...

It's simple.

No, she said that skybird CANNOT be guilty unless I am.

[VeeGee]

Has everybody answered?

The worst & sky bird = FN, so no
Performer = VT so no
FA = yes
Luna I believe said no
Talah no
Me no
AJ 2 shot BP
Vedith no
Titus = not N1 so no

Who does that still leave? Sal veegee and cbd?

I can't do anything at night, so no.

[VeeGee]

FNs in my book are guilty

until proven innocent.

Second,

Skybird cannot be guilty

unless VeeGee also is guilty.

That's quite a contradoction there.

Seriously?

It is FACT that if sky is scum (therefore not an FN) then you MUST be lying about the message and ergo are scum. If you are town then it is presumed that you are telling the truth and FN is confirmed town. IOW, you flipping/being confirmed town would prove his innocence. The only way Titus' remark that you point out would not make complete sense with a town VeeGee is if you were actively playing against your wincon by lying about the message.

pedit: ninja'd

So, tell me this.


What happens when I'm town, don't get it, and still playing to my wincon?

[VeeGee]

Titus said that There is no way skybird is scum unless I am. Yet right before, she says that she considers all FNs scum until proven otherwise.

[VeeGee]

You're also riding heavily on the thought process that it was intentional, FAQ.


Also, I see what was meant with what titus said now.