Mini 499: Just Your typical Mafia Game GAME OVER!!!!!!!!

[shaka!!]

Vote: Borchmore

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Aly at least stick your neck out. If you find what I did scummy then vote me - you seem rather defensive about it, 3 votes in getting 7 isn't threatening, bandwagons are good for information as we all know.

4 out of seven however, is a little bit more concerning.

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I tell you why.

It's because he's scum and knows my vote oozes townieness.

Shaka 4 votes isn't overly scummy - he isn't going to get speed lynched by 3 scum now is he.

I said it was concerning, not scummy.

[shaka!!]

Vote: Cheeky Little Asian

She seems like she is trying to cover for Cicero, and over very weak analogy too.

[shaka!!]

EBWOP

Unvote, Vote: Cheeky Little Asian

[shaka!!]

Also happy 30th Pwanye, if you think you're old, my parents are 56 and I'm only 16.

[shaka!!]

Vote: Cheeky Little Asian

She seems like she is trying to cover for Cicero, and over very weak analogy too.

Sorry... do you really mean "cover for Cicero"? Not that I have any problem with you suspecting cheeky little asian, but why exactly does his weirdo non-logic implicate me?

Because he is referring to you not being scum based on crap logic.

[shaka!!]

Vote: Cheeky Little Asian

She seems like she is trying to cover for Cicero, and over very weak analogy too.

Sorry... do you really mean "cover for Cicero"? Not that I have any problem with you suspecting cheeky little asian, but why exactly does his weirdo non-logic implicate me?

Because he is referring to you not being scum based on crap logic.

AND he referred to me as BEING scum using crap logic. It really shouldn't mean anything at all, but if anyone insists on it meaning anything it should cancel out.

No, he is referring to you as

not

being scum, based on crap logic.

Let me elaborate briefly.

Scum votes 3rd with no reasoning at all, feels uncomfortable, then unvotes with no reasoning, then distracts with reference to four vote bandwagon and uses crap logic to defend himself when Theopor queries his actions.

Mod Edit

Vote Count

cheeky-little-asian- 5 (Borchmore, cicero, Gorgon, shaka!!, theopor_COD)

cicero- 2 (daedalus, pwayne66)
AlyG- 1 (somestrangeflea)
Orlowski- 1 (AlyG)

Not voting (3): cheeky-little-asian, ChocolateAttack, Orlowski

7 to lynch.

[shaka!!]

Ugh, I just caught myself with my own logic.

Sorry Cicero, I didn't see where you were coming from, ignore my 'covering for Cicero' reasons for the vote and use the above instead.

[shaka!!]

I wasn't aware CLA had 5 votes, I'm going to

unvote

, not because I am backing off but because I don't want a scum hammer.

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Personally, I find CLA's weird logic for voting Cicero really.. Not plausible?

He votes Chocolate Attack because he feels like it, no problem there, random voting. But then he randomly unvotes and puts the third vote Cicero, giving no reasons. I didn't see much problem with that at first, but then he gave his really OMGUS reasoning.

Now I don't see any reason why scum would do this, but what I do find odd is that he claims that Cicero isn't scum over crap logic. He is willing to say that Cicero is town because he confirmed last. I'm not comfortable with that.

The reason I linked it to a cover up for Cicero is for the reason that he is willing to dismiss him as being scum over, again, crap logic. Almost as if he is a noob scum trying to cover his scum buddy up.

But I can't make that assumption until CLA posts again.

It has been four days,

mod prod Cheeky Little Asian

please?

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b) What would have been a more appropriate "townie" response.

I'm fascinated to hear this.

How does this look like he is trying to cover up for me?

What makes you think he is trying to cover up for me?

I could list thousands, but these are the best fitting.

Mod Edit

Vote Count:

cheeky-little-asian- 3 (cicero, daedalus, theopor_COD)

orlowski- 2 (AlyG, ChocolateAttack)
AlyG- 1 (somestrangeflea)
cicero- 1 (Battle Mage)

Not voting (5): cheeky-little-asian, Gorgon, orlowski, pwayne66, shaka!!

7 to lynch.

Prodding C-L-A and

daedalus

Orlowski, apologies to daedalus, ignore the PM I sent you.

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I think Battle Mage reached from all sides of the globe to come up with that argument.

The only thing I can find in it agreeable is that CLA did reek of attempted nooby distancing, but again I am not willing to consider that until we see more of CLA so we can decipher whether he is nooby or not.

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And to clarify that, what I'm saying is there is no possible way I'd even consider lynching Cicero over that because there is no way he can defend himself, so that means we have to go after CLA himself, who seems to be inactive. And if he gets replaced then we can't really blame his replacement for CLAs weirdo non-logic vote.

Mod, did you prod Cheeky Little Asian?

Yeah, in Post 100

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Prof. Gummy you definitely should reread the thread and update your analysis based on actual evidence.

Right now what I was hoping to see from CLA you have shown me, but I'm not sure whether it is safe to think of you two as the same people.

I am willing to vote for you, but I will give a chance to do that reread and update your analysis.

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6. I'd love to answer your questions, if I knew an answer

that would make me

look

innocent.

Vote: Prof. Guppy

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Ok. Let me explain my vote.

As scummy as it seems

I HATE EMOTIONAL PLAYERS.

They cry and cry and cry and have such a defeated, my life sucks attitude, it just pisses me off. This is the internet for Petes sake.

But I wouldn't just vote because I hate someone (although I do believe in lynching all emotional players, they will never help town and will always cause confusion, like we've recently had). The wierdo non-logic CLA had given us for his votes was enough to raise my suspicion, but I wanted to hold off until I had gotten more from him, which I didn't. How ever I did get hypocritical errors and a tell in which he said he wanted to

look

innocent. Mostly likely a newbie error, but lets put it this way, if you are being hypnotized and the dude tells you to act like you are a car, you will act like it, but when he says to

act

normal, you will be

acting

normal, not being normal. Ie he wants to look innocent, not be innocent. Like scum.

But I am willing to let go of my vote on this one, in hopes that he mature up for further games and actually learn something. But if he starts to cast any more confusion and dismay like before, I will vote on him with and iron fist.

Unvote, Vote: somestrangeflea

Oh also, Prof. Guppy man up and vote for me, if you want to apply pressure you have to be direct. Unless I am near being lynched or unless you are voting for someone else and want to tell me you think I am suspicious FoS of generally useless.

Also, Townies shouldn't care about their image, scum should be concerned about their image cause scum aren't townie.

[shaka!!]

Just notifying you fellahs that I won't have access to the internet until the 17th.

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Reasons I feel content with a BM lynch.

Taking minimal evidence and overly stretching it:

Posts 95, 107, 109, 168

Explanation: This is so obviously fishing, it seems as if BM has taken the smallest scum tell he can find and stretched it into an elaborative court case. For someone as experienced as BM to be town and want to lynch someone over the reasons he gave, is just not acceptable. Also, notice how the Cicero case just seemed to disappear?

Super defensiveness:

Posts 124, 191

Explanation: Do they need one?

I know this is not a clear explanation, but I've been suspicious of BM for a while now, but not being able to word it I never posted it. I am still not confident in my wording but I'm hoping it's sufficient.

Vote: BM

[shaka!!]

EBWOP

Unvote: Vote: BattleMage

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Forgive me for my language but Prof. Guppy, you are a giant fucking faggot.

[shaka!!]

Now that sucks, my top suspect is being replaced.

Now again I will say why I think BM is the correct lynch for today.

A player, as experienced as BM, would not be so keen to jump on the boat and say that Cicero is scum over such little evidence, which I might add has been stretched way out of proportion. Also, as soon as PG, an obvious easy lynch target comes into the radar, that massive case he had on Cicero disappears and he wants GP for the lynch. On top of that he has shown to be very over defensive.

All of these, in my book, are big scum tells.

My vote remains on BM and this time I hope someone says something instead of just ignoring me.

[shaka!!]

I've made a crucial mistake, I thought Battle Mage joined in Jan 05, not 07.

Either way, I'm still confident that he is scum, even players who are inexperienced wouldn't take

such a little

and stretch it so incredibly much trying to get a lynch.

Mod Edit

Vote Count

Erotomachia- 2 (Battle Mage, daedalus)
Honary Hitchhiker- 2 (AlyG, ChocolateAttack)
Battle Mage- 2 (pwayne66, shaka!!)

daedalus- 1 (Gorgon)
somestrangeflea- 1 (cicero)

Not voting (4): Erotomachia, Honary Hitchhiker, somestrangeflea, theopor_COD

7 to lynch

[shaka!!]

Because you replaced the person who was being questioned.

[shaka!!]

Sorry for my lack of activity recently, I was at a conference the weekend and started a full time (holiday) job the day after.

Shaka, way too tunnelvisioned. I'd like to see Shaka express opinions on more than BM because we can't win if we only focus on one person. Shaka seems to have shown little interest in this thread outside of BM and that alarms me. There's too little to go on for me to make much more than a guess on Shaka's alignment.
Slightly scummy

I only have two reads, one is that BM is scum, and two is that Pwyane is town.

Pwyane was the only one to act against BM when he was making his case on Cicero, Pawyne is either distancing himself from BM (gut feeling says not) or he too realizes the case against BM and wants him out.

Very interested to hear more from BMs replacement.

[shaka!!]

What do you exactly want to hear from me?

Anyway scum list:

Erotomachia, previous two before him acted scummy. One was acting like a silly kid who wants to get his way, while the other lurked. Minor FoS.

AlyG: Has not said much in the past few days. Lurking the entire time. Major FOS

somestrangeflea: Seems to be jumping onto bandwagons. FoS

So all in all, my vote would go to either AlyG or SSF

14 pages and thats all you've got to say?

Some people 'acted scummy' while others lurked and that SSF jumps on bandwagons?

That gives us pretty much, nothing of worth.

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I'm finding that hard to believe. No one asked you to claim, so why do it? They obviously aren't going to lynch an inactive player, and btw I think the current vote count on you is stupendously ridiculous.


Side note: Reasons for my sudden aggression, both the games I am playing are becoming rather inactive and in both of them I am sure of scum, but nothing is happening.

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White asked him to claim.

My apologies.

[shaka!!]

Besides for Pwayne (and myself) I find Gorgon to be the most pro town player. I like his contribution to the game so far, his posts are long but they are well thought out, I don't think of them as a wall of words.
His voting habbit seems to be in the best interest of the town.

As for the rest of the game, I think you are putting to much attention on in the inactive player, and should focus on the people who are here to respond to our questions. We've pressure AlyG and got a repsonse, lets move on. I think the mafia are hiding with us trying to pressure the inactive players.

I still think Borchmore/BM/Dudewhoreplacedhim is scum. All three of the players has played (imo) badly. I can elaborate if you want, but I won't now cause I am at work.

Something I've just picked up, really White, why did you want AlyG to claim? I'm thinking that maybe you were hoping to go a nk target?

Also, if AlyG really is a back up, that means we have power roles amongst us.

Forgive my spelling, I'm at work and we don't have firefox (spell checker d:)

[shaka!!]

EBWOP
I'm thinking that maybe you were hoping to get a nk target?

[shaka!!]

So you have no reason for suggesting to him to claim then?

[shaka!!]

Offtopic:

Theres no shame in love.

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I highly doubt AlyG is so interested in this game as to fake claim backup.

though this is true as well.

I have to remain absolutely suspicious of this claim though.

I disagree, it takes two seconds to realize what is and isn't a safe claim. It requires no interest to think of that, also note that AlyG doesn't wish to be replaced.

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I still think Borchmore/BM/Dudewhoreplacedhim is scum. All three of the players has played (imo) badly. I can elaborate if you want, but I won't now cause I am at work.

I may have misinterpreted you wrong, but you think they are scum as they are playing badly?[/quote]

Well if someone isn't playing a good pro town game they are going to be seen as scum.

Sorry again, rush posting from work, I didn't mean bad play in general. I meant bad town play.

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I find this ridiculous, you are all wasting your time on the inactive players, if you ask me, just get them replaced. Borchmore, Battle Mage and now Kakeng is scum.

It has the most solid argument yet the rest of you just keep on throwing theories out at the inactive players. HAS NO ONE NOTICED THAT KAKENG HAS BEEN INACTIVE TO?

This is crazy. If I get NK'd after we (most likely) lynch and lurker/townie you sure as hell better at least consider this bastard. (no offence lol)

Do I have to repost my case?

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For Whites sake.

Borchmore only posted once, and it seemed to be of a reasonable standard. He got replaced by Battle Mage.

Battle Mage is where I mainly see scum. I could give you a post by post anylasis but I'm at work atm and don't have the time.

Battle Mage attacks Cicero because of the way he responded to me when I said CLA was covering for him. Battle Mage wanted to soley lynch Cicero over one post he made, not only was the tell a minor one, but Battle Mage made the biggest deal out of it. Battle Mage was sure that Cicero was scum. Then as soon as PG came into the picture, Battle Mage dropped everything on Cicero and goes after PG, an obvious easy lynch target for the mafia. Then to add to that as soon as he is accused of something he gets very defensive, and when I posted my case he asked to be replaced straight afterwards with out responding to me.

Added to that, Kakengs lurking/inactivity topped by Borchmores.

I don't believe that we can dismiss BM as scum because his gameplay in other games. Afterall we are in this game, not his others.

Also, Cicero, you seem to like to go with the flow.

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Oh and yeah I don't see the Flea case either, my vote on him was to pressure.

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Flea was the Obv OMGUS remark after your vote referring to yourself or Cicero?

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I see, thanks for that.

Yes I agree, I fail to see OMGUS in your latest posts.

I also fail to see a case against Flea.

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You say the MAIN people, so that means that there are cases were he has voted for someone with out them voting him first. Who are you to decide what his main votes are and aren't?

When I say I fail to see a case, I mean that the case you put forth is not something I find worthy of voting/lynching/suspecting Flea for.

I really should start focusing more on my wording.

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EBWOP

You say the MAIN people, so that means that there are cases were he has gone after someone with out them voting him first. Who are you to decide what his main votes are and aren't?

[shaka!!]

Well he is right, you and Flea were/are getting no where.

And for someone who doesn't want to be talked to like a kid that last post seems contradicting.

[shaka!!]

Well he is right, you and Flea were/are getting no where.

And for someone who doesn't want to be talked to like a kid that last post seems contradicting.

He doesn't need you to defend him, Shaka.

And who are YOU to say we were getting nowhere

. Discussion helps the town. It ferrets out inconsistancies. People slip up. People who shut down discussions don't help the town. You are free to talk about whatever you want and were one of the people he didn't want to hear from. So don't have his back while he's sticking you in yours.

I am someone who has the towns best interests in view and sees that you and Flea are just reiterating your statements about each other. That is an argument that goes no where.

You seem very fustrated, I'd suggest you finish up for the day before you make anymore slip ups. Right now you are just being distracting to the town.

I already have a case to pull out on you but I am waiting for something to happen before I play that card. If you carry on like you are now you are just going to make it easier for me to place my foot in your arse.

Mod Edit

Vote Count

cicero- 2 (somestrangeflea, White)
somestrangeflea- 2 (AlyG, cicero)

AlyG- 1 (pwayne66)
Erotomachia- 1 (Theopor_COD)
Jalyn- 1 (Gorgon)
Kakeng- 1 (shaka!!)


Not voting (4): Chocolate Attack, Erotomachia, Jalyn, Kakeng

7 to lynch[/quote][/quote]

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Note to self: Note Whites previous post.

:p

I feel that it is split, one is lurking the other making sure the townies keep arguing.

I have two suspects in mind.

[shaka!!]

uh oh... deja vu? I'll have content tomorrow... I promise.

I'm looking forward to it.

[shaka!!]

Ugh I hate double/triple posting.

My first post was in response to Post 430, by the time I had typed it out some others had responded.

I'll elaborate on that at a later point too, when it is more relevant.

[shaka!!]

Why not now? I think it's relevant.

Sometimes it is necessary to hold information back until it is has other information to back it up.

In other words, I'll be watching your posts.

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I've got quite a few things building up but before I post them I want everyones status on Battle Mage, because I believe %100 that he is scum, and I don't want to distract the spotlight from him. On top of that, if we can find out his alignment my cases will be greatly helped, in the sense of either destroying it or strengthening it.

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Shaka, feel free. I've nothing to hide. In fact i'm not surprised this happened, normally does. So go ahead.

It's only minor, that is why I am keeping it to myself until it becomes relevant. Right now it will just be distracting.

Since we pretty much died.

Some Strange Flea what do you think about BM? You've only argued with Cicero over I have no idea I've forgotten now.

Pwayne any chances of getting that read sooner?

AlyG what do you think about BM and the Cicero vs SSF argument?

Gorgon have you picked up any new reads?

Mod Prod Kakeng please?

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I can answer that easy, if I remember correctly it was a Friday night and I was set to go out for the weekend. But plans canceled halfway through and I got the rest of the weekend off.

[shaka!!]

May I ask, metagaming??

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Dude, you're a "Townsperson"....what are you apologizing for?

Wait, what?

Two problems with this post, how do you know he is townie? And what does being townie have to do with apologizing?

[shaka!!]

No, the title under his name. Like under mine it says "Mafia Scum" and under yours it says "Mafia Scum" and under his it says "Townsperson". It's a reflection of how many posts you've made/how long you've been on the board.

Aah, I know that, just didn't put 2 and 2 together.

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I don't know which is more suspicious, White requesting a deadline or Theo agreeing with it.

By the time either I find a replacement for Kakeng or Kakeng posts, I'll set a retractable deadline on this game

[shaka!!]

Oh whoops. Sorry, it's like 7:20 here and I'm tired as hell.

I will refrain from posting I'm until I'm a little more awake.

[shaka!!]

I do agree with you on the long day one note, to be honest, I've played 6 or so games and none of them has been longer (the whole game, not just day one) then this day.

[shaka!!]

Cicero, could please post your original case against SSF and your current one?

I can't seem to find them.

[shaka!!]

EBWOP
Yeah I'd go back and do a reread to find it myself but I don't have the time (at work..).

[shaka!!]

Oh wow! I never saw those drop down menus at the bottom before! Thanks a lot, thats gonna make my life a lot easier.

[shaka!!]

Cicero can you answer me another question.

You initial case on SSF, is that still part of the reason you think he is scum?

[shaka!!]

Excellent, I will elaborate later. Busy at work ):

Mod Edit

Vote Count

Kakeng- 2 (shaka!!, White)
somestrangeflea- 2 (cicero, Jester)

cicero- 1 (somestrangeflea)
Jester- 1 (Gorgon)
shaka!!-1 (Skitzer)
Skitzer- 1 (pwayne66)
Skruffs- 1 (Theopor_COD)

Not voting (3): Chocolate Attack, Kakeng, Skruffs

7 to lynch

[shaka!!]

Kakeng you can defend yourself by actually playing the game.

If you can put forward good input and play like a pro town player then I will be willing to let BM's actions slide.

[shaka!!]

can I ask for an replacement? I'm Distracting the town.

Confirming vote. calling for lynch.

Mod Edit

Vote Count

Kakeng- 4 (cicero, Gorgon, shaka!!, White)

somestrangeflea- 1 (Jester)
cicero- 1 (somestrangeflea)
shaka!!-1 (Skitzer)
skitzer- 1 (theopor_COD)

Not voting (4): Chocolate Attack, Kakeng, pwayne66, Skruffs

7 to lynch

15 days till deadline

[shaka!!]

I have had my vote on Kakeng since Battle Mage. This isn't a replacement avoidance vote, how ever, it does make me want to lynch him even more.

Mod Edit

Vote Count

Kakeng- 5 (cicero, Gorgon, shaka!!, somestrangeflea, White)

shaka!!-1 (Skitzer)
skitzer- 1 (theopor_COD)
somestrangeflea- 1 (Jester)

Not voting (4): Chocolate Attack, Kakeng, pwayne66 Skruffs

7 to lynch

14 days till deadline

[shaka!!]

I never joined the BM bandwagon, I went scumhunting and found him one (imo).

Also, I had not realized that you had voted for me. The reason I WAS posting so much because I was at work which involves lots of waiting, and with nothing to do I just played the game. Also, now I'm back to school. Which means back to my normal posting habits.

[shaka!!]

Sorry for not being active, this game has been so long it is now seeing my second session of exams this year..

I promise to get a read done of what has been said recently soon though.

[shaka!!]

HackerHuck - welcome to the game. Kakeng was nearly lynched for lurking yesterday.

I believe there is a lot more to it.

My vote stays were it is until I am more confident of someone else being scum.

I wasn't here much towards the end of yesterday, unfortunately, because I really don't see the helpfulness to that player of confirming a role that caused so much drama if he wasn't really that role.

But yesterday is gone, so lets look forward.

Right now I need to do a reread to get an up to date look on the players and the events that have passed. Today is a half day of school so I should have an extra two hours of time today, in which I can use for more then a reread.

[shaka!!]

Yeah also, Skruffs and Cicero recent votes look like a pathetic attempt to distance each other.

[shaka!!]

I think that with all the new (potential) evidence that has popped up that my vote on HH is starting to expire.

I'm going to

unvote

because I like what HH has had to say so far.

I think Ciceros conclusion about Jesters death is rather broad, marking 4 players. But remembering that he was shot and stabbed, so he may have hit more than one target (seeing as he was smacked by two different groups of killers).

Pwayne, I would post my scumdar aswell, but I really am having a hard time making one. It's showing blank right now. I think I've been blinded by BM too long and I've most likely missed a lot of other stuff.

[shaka!!]

I think Ciceros conclusion about Jesters death is rather broad, marking 4 players.

But remembering that he was shot and stabbed, so he may have hit more than one target (seeing as he was smacked by two different groups of killers).

Heya Shaka. I don't understand the italicised sentence. I don't know who you are referring to and I dont exactly understand your point. Not arguing with you - I just don't understand. Could you clarify when you get a chance?

I'm saying that Jester could have found the mafia and the sk/vig, so both of them targeted him at night.

[shaka!!]

Huck, I believe I posted my explanation in that same post.

[shaka!!]

The following text has been posted assuming HackerHuck is scum.

Borchmore (has posted only once, absent for about 5 days now)

somestrangeflea (hasn't posted here since the 5th, but was active elsewhere on the site yesterday)

With all due respect, if you think 2 days of inactivity is lurking, I'm fairly sure that you're not going to enjoy your time here...

Meh. I mostly added you because I didn't want to pick on just one guy,

and there was a lot of discussion going on yesterday, so inactivity on that day was kind of noticable, especially since you were active elsewhere on the site on the same day. It's no biggie. I am fully aware of the general pace of the games here.

Or maybe because you don't want to seem like you are guiding your scum buddy and so you scraped the bucket to find what ever dirt you could to put next to him.

b) What would have been a more appropriate "townie" response.

I'm fascinated to hear this.

How does this look like he is trying to cover up for me?

What makes you think he is trying to cover up for me?

I could list thousands, but these are the best fitting.

Hmm ... you have a point. A simple question usually sounds less scummy than a defensive attitude.

Perhaps this is what Battle Mage is really getting at.

More possible scum buddy help?

Battle Mage - I know he's on a path of self-exploration now,

but he still needs to post something.

Again guides BM to be more active and stop lurking and votes Daedalus instead, for

lurking

.

At this point, I'm going to

Vote: Kakeng

. He still hasn't posted much, and I think he's our best shot right now. The day has to end eventually.

After lots of delaying, gives into voting Kakeng. Maybe because he realizes that a inactive mafia would be a lot easier to distance from then an active mafia?

Okay, I can wait a few more days until Kakeng gets replaced, I guess.

There is not much on the other two players because they didn't post much at all and Hacker joined after Gorgons lynch. I think.

Unvote

Quickly unvotes but keeps his pressure on him to keep the distancing game going.

I don't feel entirely convinced with what I have presented, but I am just throwing it out there in case anyone else picks something up.

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CA, the reason for my null activity in the game is because I find it hard following it. I have currently just finished my reread of the game from page 30 and to be honest I am finding it really difficult to follow the game. I don't think I am ready for a game of this size/knowledge/skill yet.

Which brings me to my next point, I want to sub out of the game (because I do not feel as if I am good enough to be able to be helpful to the town), but if you guys do not want me to sub (because it IS a fucking hassle, and we've had so many of them this game) I will stay in the game.

Also guys, English is my second language too (: But seeing as I've been out of South Africa for a long time (7 years) English has become my first language.

[shaka!!]

Yes but I find it easier to follow the logic in newbie games then I do in this game. Size doesn't bother me.

Because I am having trouble trying to catch up with the game I will instead just keep an eye it from here and fill in the pieces.

I think it would be helpful if everybody posted a scumdar.

Also, what does everybody feel on mass claiming? I think it could be helpful to the town right now.

[shaka!!]

Holy shit I didn't realize we lost our cop. Then I definitely disagree with mass claiming.

[shaka!!]

HackerHuck and Skruffs don't look too good. But Gorgon actually VOTED for hackerHuck (Kakeng) so that's the biggest evidence of distancing.

vote: HackerHuck

I find this very interesting. (If you've done a reread you'll notice that I have been pushing strongly for a BM/Kakeng lynch). What do you think of page 33 post 806?

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Oh Cicero, I forgot to mention. That case I was building up on you earlier (I believe it was when I was working, that would be just over a month ago. Wow this is a long game.), I threw that idea out the window because it solely relied on you and BM as scum buddies. Unless we have three mafia today.. Actually wait, how many mafia are in a mini normal game? Is that up to the mod? I think I can recall a game with 3, but given our circumstances of the SK and Vig I think it's unlikely that we have 3 mafia. Anyway, yeah that relied on a BM - Cicero mafia team, and with Gorgon coming up (unexpectedly) scum, I gave up on the case.

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Yes I agree, I've been more than contempt with lynching HH since BM.

vote: HackerHuck

[shaka!!]

This game has gone on so long I can't even remember if I've been under any scrutiny at all. Any one care to remind me?

[shaka!!]

Also, I'm pretty sure we all know how to hunt scum. But what if we get the scum tonight and we are left with the vig and the sk? Do we hunt them the same way as scum or are their signature tells for those classes and such?

That thought just popped into my head.

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See what happens when we fool around and don't lynch people? Townies die.

Seriously, I'm not taking my vote of HH. The only reason the case has weakened is because you guys couldn't decide on a lynch or not and instead you all argue on about stuff that is, in my honest opinion,

unrelated

. I can't see any of the bullshit being said making anyone more or less scumier, but is instead completely distracting the town. HH I hate to do this to you because I think you've managed yourself fairly well, considering the people you've replaced. But you are the ONLY good lead I've (and the town) have got, and I want this day to end. Anyway I digress. The reason the case has weakened is because you've allowed it to have gone unnoticed. I think it's the strongest case we've had this game and yet no one seems to want to go with it. Whether I end up wrong or not I think it will entirely be better to

get this day over with

and move on. We will have two less people to suspect and I think it will be easier for us to pick off the remaining scum and SK. I'd rather we lynch someone with a scummy background than have the mod kill another townie because we can't make up our minds about who is what.

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Shaka... pretend I wrote the exact same post about somestrangeflea. How would it affect your choices?

But your case on SSF hasn't received much support where as mine did, at one point.

[shaka!!]

Also, may you reword your question please?

[shaka!!]

Also, may you reword your question please?

@Shaka - I don't understand this. What are you asking exactly?

You asked me a question, I didn't understand it so I asked you to ask the question in a different manner.

I think your case on Huck has merit to some extent. My reservations on it are as follows:
1. Battlemage acts like that all the time.
2. Kakeng claimed he was town in another thread (more or less).

Still - it's a good lead.

Do you see any nefarious evidence in Hackerhuck's play?
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It's agitating because the more it's been put aside the weaker its become and I am starting to doubt the case myself. Cicero, saying that BM acts like that all the time is helping him ever so much, because it gives him merit to use that as a defense, whether he is scum or not. I don't let peoples play style in other games affect my opinion at all.

What thread?

@Shaka - Back at you. What do you think of White/toasterstrudel. Do you think Huck's case against White has merit? Do you think he is bussing? Does it make you more or less of the opinion that that spot is townie or scum?

Toasterstrudel is a very distractive player. In this game at least. She is too straightforward and I wouldn't trust her at all. Her play style is very.. Aggravating in terms of she makes me want to lynch her because of the way she plays the game yet I don't want to take the chance and lynch her because..

I don't think HH's case on White is worth lynching over. It has some merit but I don't think there is enough to go with a lynch.

I don't know what bussing is and I don't know what spot you are asking about.

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@shaka

With respect to rewording my question, it's ok. It was rhetorical. You answered it fine. My point was that you weren't going to sway anyone's vote. You basically made yourself look scummier with the impatience. But whatever. I do that all the time. I'm often impatient.

I'm worse because not only am I impatient but I'm hypocritical too.

The thread is called Tough Love. It's in Mafia Discussion. On the second or third page. I was bitching about all the quitters in this game and Kakeng came in and said he quit because he was becoming distracting to the town. It isn't much to go on and I wished he hadn't done it. But I had to take it into account. If he hadn't I might have been begging to lynch that role by now.

But that is what he was saying in this thread too. I was attacking him on BM and his inactivity (I think) and he rambled on about distracting the town and getting replaced.

Bussing is when one scum deliberately does things to get his scumbuddy killed. It's a short form of "Throwing him under a bus" or "pushing him out in front of a bus". Splat. Your friend is dead. You killed him. Usually it's done when scum believes that their chance of winning will improve with the sacrifice of their teammate, often it's because that teammate looks so scummy that NOT voting for them would look weird.

In that case, I do not think HH is bussing.

Spot = that player. I'm repeatedly having trouble describing a name for a cluster of players all playing the same role in this game.

Yeah I thought you meant that but I was more specifically asking as to whose spot you were asking about.

What about Strudel's ridiculous reversals WHEN COUPLED with HH's case against White. It looked to me like she came in to the game and pretended to read the game and screwed it up. Since then she has not demonstrated the attention to detail one might reasonably expect from a scumhunting townie.

I got that feeling too (about the fake reread). In my browser I've got this game bookmarked as the cursed #499 because of all the distracting players we've had and all the replacements we've gone through. It's players like her that make this game so much harder to play because of all the options presented about what to do about that player.

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Yeah, picture perfect. Long day at work lol. Sorry about that.

With the deadline closing in I think that Strudel might be our best shot for today, I'd rather get rid of someone that is completely distracting and could throw off our scumdar that could also possibly be scum than go with anyone else. I don't see enough evidence to convict anyone else. I'd rather wait for a town consensus before throwing votes out though.

HH's case against White does not change my opinion about the 'spot' he fills.

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Shaka!! -
I've kind of lost track of what Shaka's case on HH is. He says it is the only good lead we've got. WHat is this lead? I don't quite buy that his anger at Theo being modkilled is genuine, but that's open for interpretation.

Well it hasn't changed much so you can't really lose track of it.

Also, I genuinely am angry at the modkill, I'd rather have lynched Theo and gotten more information about the mafia from the night kills, atleast that way we would have

something

to go with.

Post my top 3 later.

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Sorry for the inactivity, it's just I'm into my third set of exam papers today (four more to go..). It's becoming increasingly hard to post anything. I am how ever following the game.

[shaka!!]

Guys I'm real sorry, I'm in my last week of exams and then I will be on holiday. I did a quick read of the recent updates and I actually want to do a proper read of it, but I'm finding it hard with the exams.

Last exam is on Friday.

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Lazy sunday afternoon, fucking studying (:

Mighty mighty WIFOM. I can't win.

There is no way that I, as scum, would kill a guy that strongly thought I was town. It's just stupid play.

Sorry I can't make it out, are you saying that the italic is WIFOM?

And this is also nonsense about Gorgon. I don't tell you not to pay attention to Gorgon. I want to find something useful there. PLEASE go look at Gorgon. I was simply pointing out that I haven't found anything good there yet. ANDI was pointing out that no one in the town has yet dissected Gorgon as well as might be expected so that it's unfair to single me out for it.

How can you not have something to say about Gorgon? He is known scum, he is our biggest lead on finding the next scum. And I do believe I reread Gorgon and posted my findings.

I just did another quick reread of Gorgon, and as Skruffs pointed out, I can't believe how buddy buddy Gorgon and Cicero were. It's so obvious, in a sense, too obvious. I doubt that scum would buddy up so much. I would say that I think that Gorgon was just using Cicero, but then I am getting into a wifom in terms of they could have easily planned to be real buddy buddy to the point where people would think that it's too obvious to be scum. I think I have to rereread him ):

I am going to look into this as if I were hunting for more tells to lynch HH ;p

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He makes me much less sure of his role being scum. But he hasn't done anything to make me drop the case. When he does I will gladly move on.

What do you mean you haven't found it yet? You make it sound as if Gorgon buried something in his posts that will reveal who his partner is. If you ask me it sounds more like you are too scared to evaluate it cause it is endangering to yourself.

Mighty mighty WIFOM. I can't win.

There is no way that I, as scum, would kill a guy that strongly thought I was town. It's just stupid play.

In reference to the italic. That is very weak defense because you could of easily killed him so that you could argue that point as your defense.

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- I think killing Jester so that scum could talk about his defense would have been a stupid move. Contrary to some people's belief I am not in a position to know what the scum have done and why they've done it. Believe what you want.

More wifom! ):

[/quote="cicero"]- I "make it sound?" Clearly evidence may exist as to Gorgon's partner. You yourself have pushed such a theory by pointing out how Gorgon was sending advice to the Hackerhuck spot. I just havent found anything worth sharing with the class. Want to vote me for that, be my guest.[/quote]
I was referring to how said that you haven't found

it

. Usually someone would say they haven't found anything, unless they know what they are looking for, in which they would refer to the item they are looking for as, it.

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Ebwop

- I "make it sound?" Clearly evidence may exist as to Gorgon's partner. You yourself have pushed such a theory by pointing out how Gorgon was sending advice to the Hackerhuck spot. I just havent found anything worth sharing with the class. Want to vote me for that, be my guest.

I was referring to how said that you haven't found it. Usually someone would say they haven't found anything, unless they know what they are looking for, in which they would refer to the item they are looking for as, it.

Mod Edit

Vote Count

HackerHuck- 2 (shaka!!, Toaster Strudel)

pwayne66- 1 (HackerHuck)
Toaster Strudel- 1 (ChocolateAttack)


Not Voting- 4 (cicero, Psychatrog, pwayne66, Skruffs)

5 to lynch

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Cicero, it seems every time you are under scrutiny you result to insulting the aggresor. Count to 10 or something, man.

Also, if my memory serves me correctly I do believe he has posted his case on HH.

You ask questions when the answers are in the thread.

Ha.

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Noted: How you did not address the fact that you tried to steer us into a WIFOM elephant trap by pointing out that Jester was NK'd because he was "so good."

You aren't one to talk about WIFOM elephant traps, TS. They are your life. Gorgon is my scumbuddy because we were buddy buddy. Jester was killed because he WASNT on to something. In your world Up is Down, Left is Right, and Occam doesn't have a razor. That is scummy. Be clear I'm not just defending myself here. I'm directly accusing you of being deliberately disingenuous.
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No. It makes perfect sense. Scum want to go into the day with a plan. It would only make sense to try to lure townsmen away from themselves. "Hey buddy, let's kill this guy so the town will think he was on to something and lynch some of their town buddies!" But according to Cicero, "Hey buddy, let's kill this guy so everyone knows that we did it!" Which would make more sense to you? This isn't a newbie game, scum are a lot better then killing people who are suspicious of them.

As for Gorgon. No. It is not the same. All I've said is that *I* didnt find anything useful about Gorgon. I'm glad you think I'm a super-detective who must be concealing something but I'm not. Scum on day one play as town. Catching them is craps. Far as I'm concerned my play on day one was good sensible play and Gorgon rode with me because of that. He wasnt the only one. I'll tell you, if Gorgon was my scumbuddy and he did suck up like that I'd go out of my way to distance him. I wouldnt let a two way snugglefest occur.
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Don't tell us what you would do if you were scum, give us proof that you aren't Gorgons buddy.

With respect to my behavior toward Hackerhuck though, doesn't it seem kind of inconsistent? You know like someone who is wrestling with whether Hackerhuck and his predecessors is innocent or not? I even brought in his external meta (while being afraid of being game breaking). If you look honestly do you seriously think I could be his partner? Am I trying to save him or trying to bus him? The Pwayne idea I totally get. But Huck? Ive vascillated between trying to save that guy and trying to get him killed. This denotes change of opinion as the landscape changes.

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Why does your relation to him have anything to do with him being your buddy? TS thinks that HH is scum and he thinks that you are scum. If you think two people are scum then according to your theory they must be buddies.

As for your "you know you're town" accusation: This is exactly what's frustrating about your play and skruffs play. You said "I know myself to be town". I quote it back at you and suddenly it's a scumtell slip on my part. This is an example of you using the evidence to fit your case. Which is evidence that you are scum pushing wagons, which is what I think you are.
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This is not an example of them using the evidence to fit their case this is you slipping up. They said "

I

know

I'm

town" How ever when you said it you said

you

know that

you

are town. You used it out of context and made yourself look bad.

- While we're at it, was your entry into the game, with the colossal misread a mistake or a gambit? Was your later admission of skimming the truth or a Columbo strategy. (For those that don't know, Columbo was a 70s TV detective who played dumb on purpose. TS admits to doing this.)

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Who doesn't know Columbo

- Pwayne's alignment is based on two things. 1) I've read TWO of his mafia games. This one bears no resemblance. 2) He just said in the thread "when this lynch is over people will know we aren't in cahoots. YOU can't know this to be true, but I know that means he isn't in a mafia. Because if he came up mafia it wouldn't clear me. Because unlike you, Pwayne and I know that we arent in cahoots. Huck and I also know he and I arent in cahoots. And I think either of them COULD be a bad guy. Im just not compelled enough to vote them at this point. That having been said Hackerhuck's consistent pretending that there may not be a serial killer is my best evidence so far that it's actually him.
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Funny who the guys who you don't feel compelled enough to vote for are the guys who have probably come under the most fire this game.

- I want you to look at Flea because his active lurking non-scumhunting play somehow gave him immunity from prosecution in this game. Im not steering you away from Pwayne and Huck. I want to steer you away from bad logic and misrepresentation.

Yes and by voting for you I am trying to save not just the town, but the whole Earth. Because if you look back at your play it is obvious that you are looking for world domination.

At this current point I am having a hard time not think Cicero is scum. HH and Pwayne are a toss up, but I'd probably lean more towards HH to be his buddy.

vote: Cicero

It's about time I did something useful in this game.

[shaka!!]

I'll catch up on the rest later, I'm off to my Bio exam.

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And everybody forgets about shaka again ): I shouldn't be complaining

To be honest I do not think that Pwayne and Cicero are buddies. I really think that cicero (if scum) is trying to set us up with a dirty look at Pwayne so going in tomorrow we are misguided and mislead into thinking that Pwayne is his partner.

Also, cicero, did you not see my previous post or just choose to ignore it?

[shaka!!]

I've got an exam in about half an hour and then my last one on Friday. I promise I won't fall behind, it's too exciting to.

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Huck is correct. The reason I asked you if you were ignoring my post was to see if you were going to respond or not.

unvote: cicero

After rereading the you know your scum post. I've seen that I've read it out of context, and with that I've seen how TS used it out of context to make it seem like a scum slip up.

At first I was ignoring the misrepresentations because I thought that they could be a slip up in the reading, but I'm starting to doubt it the more I see it.

I am not taking the 4 vote copies into account because it is too double sided. It could be seen as scum buddying or as townies in agreement, both of the situations seems more then ok, in fact I am more likely to believe that they are townie agreements. TS if you want to really prove this as a point find out if they were voting with the same reasons or if they had there own agenda.

Mod Edit

Vote Count

Toaster Strudel- 2 (ChocolateAttack, cicero)

cicero- 1 (Toaster Strudel)
pwayne66- 1 (HackerHuck)



Not Voting- 2 (TheHermit, Skruffs)

5 to lynch

I'll allow one final extension to December 12th, but that is the very final extension I'll allow.

2 weeks till deadline

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Wow Hermit, you did the impossible. Thanks for subbing in.

I'm not sure if I'm ready for a TS lynch. There may be a great deal to put against her, but I don't see anything definitive.

If she comes in posting the whole "lynch me I'm vanilla" deal I promise she is as good as dead. You are quite right about me being a provocateur, but this is only due to me being easily aggravated.

[shaka!!]

Mod,

when is our deadline?

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To be honest I think mod killing is utter bull shit, and yes I do count it as a scum point on my tally.

I do believe that one time I referred to it was expressing my disappointment in the mod killing of Theo.

Cicero, the reason why you are not going to be changing Skruffs mind is because right now the majority of arguing going on has been a matter of opinion a vs opinion b.

In a situation like this one can only take the opinion of either of the parties.

Skruffs does make a good point though, why are you not pressuring CA for being inactive and why were you not pressuring me when I disappeared?

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Going into the deadline I'd be more than happy parking my vote on Cicero or TS.

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Whether its a bandwagon or not I do not care, the evidence is there.

If we were pushing a lynch 3 weeks ago I would've put Hackers name down with out any hesitance. How ever, it seems the longer I waited for his lynch the rustier the evidence became.

As for lynching TS, she came into the game faking a reread and not impressing anyone. How ever she more then made up for it with her active posting and scum hunting. Although in her scum hunting attempts she stretched the truth and made a lot of nothings into something, if you recall this was one of the reason I was voting for BM. She has tried to deceive the town into voting her way, and got caught.

Heres the kicker, even though there is plenty of reason for a TS lynch, I don't feel that she is scum, and here I am battling to find a reason to lynch you, but I just get scummy vibes from you.

[shaka!!]

And yes, on top of the rusty evidence, I am more than happy with Hackers performance, I fail to find any chinks in his armour.

[shaka!!]

My reason not to vote Pwayne is because I think TS would be a better choice.

[shaka!!]

Vote: Toaster Strudel

I wasn't aware the deadline was so close.

[shaka!!]

A big part of me wants to unvote TS.

What do I do ):

[shaka!!]

That post won't look good if she turns up scum :\

[shaka!!]

Fucking hell this annoying. I am sorry, I really should stop playing this game at the same time as my brother.

I'm real sorry Mr. Flay! I will find a way to solve this problem of ours, I promise. It seems he is posting as me too now :\

Yeah that Godot post was me.

As for me previous statement, I meant exactly that Skruffs. Even though there is evidence that TS is scum, I really don't feel that she is. How ever Cicero I feel is very scummy.

Mod Edit

Vote Count

TheHermit- 4 (pwayne66, Skruffs, Toaster Strudel, cicero)

pwayne66- 2 (HackerHuck, Skruffs)
Toaster Strudel- 2 (ChocolateAttack, TheHermit)




Not Voting- 0

5 to lynch

5 days till deadline

[shaka!!]

Unvote:

I have to make a decision as to whether to follow my heart or my head.

Looks like a shaka!! alt - Both are from New Zealand.

I don't see a reason to have an alt. He is my brother, we only have one pc between us. ):

[shaka!!]

Actually, according to my watch, we are two days passed our deadline.

[shaka!!]

I thought it was the 5th?

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I'll gladly do that, but what part of the game do you want me to look at? Cicero relationships or Cicero scumhunts or peoples views and cases on Cicero?

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Cicero, if I were to look at you being town whilst reading this thread, my attention would be focused on Pwayne because of the whole buddy buddy relationship, whether he says he is buddying with you or not, would seem like he is trying to drag down an innocent townie with his lynch. I'd also have crossed HH of my list off scum list because I have been finding lots of similarities between the two of you. For instance you are both aggressive in your scum hunts and both have very strong convictions about your target.

No. There is no connection, I am not even sure if that is an accurate reenactment of events. He went from HH for nearly 50 pages and in the last two, he has voted for TS, then unvoted and then made (by my estimations) a one sentence remark about thinking you are scummy. That one sentence does not factor into my evaluation of shaka, which does not say that I think that he is scum, or scummy, only that I think he is wishywashy (and that is based only on the last few pages), if I had to say one or the other, I would say town.

That's a fairly inaccurate assessment, all round. Although I do agree in terms of not having done much this game. Long posts melt my mind.

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I have no intentions of lynching Pwayne either.

It has come to my attention that my unvote in my brothers account did not count, in which case I'll leave my vote where it is. I've decided to choose my brain over my heart.

I wouldn't no lynch simply for the reasons that I think with less numbers we stand more likely to hit scum the next day.

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There's a part of me that wants to lynch Pwayne just to see if he is who he says or not.

But theres another part of me that says TS is desperately giving it her all to either not be lynched or be lynched and mislead the town tomorrow.

Yes that means I think she is scum.

I'm trying to weight the pros and cons TS, and I'm finding it very difficult.

Pwayne could be riding off our last roleclaim/modkill convictions in order to make us doubt ourselves and keep him around just a tad longer. Oh wait a second..

If Pwayne was false claiming the Psychiatrist to save himself from being lynched during the day, he'd surely be the target of the SK that night. So it would be a stupid role for mafia to claim. How ever if you are the SK and you have the balls to claim Psychiatrist then it could pay off very well if no one counter claims, which we can safely presume isn't going to happen.

This leads me to believe that Pwayne is either the SK or the Psychiatrist.

I would reread Pwayne looking for SK tells but I'm afraid I'd have no idea what to be looking for.

Toaster Strudel brings up a lot of points. Such as the SK wanting to be cured and not targeting Pwayne for the NK. How ever, no matter what the stats say, this is completely up to the SK as an individual (not a number from a graph) himself. So it would be a lot harder for me to go with TS on this matter because the possibility is still there that the SK will target the Psychiatrist, and imo is stronger than the possibility of him claiming and being cured.

If he claimed and wanted to be cured wouldn't he just be scum pickings for the NK then anyway?

I think I am going to be keeping my vote where it is for now.

[shaka!!]

I'd be more likely to believe that the Psychiatrist is our doctor and that there is no Godfather.

If what you said were true, half of us standing before you would be scum. That's quite fun odds, don't you think?

[shaka!!]

I'd rather play in a game in which I am not degraded by other players because I'm not at their level of playing standards.

Bye bye Toaster.

[shaka!!]

Upon the recent posting, I'm asking that you unvote with me Cicero.

unvote:

Jordan I support Skruffs plea to extend the deadline by 3 days.

[shaka!!]

Upon the recent posting, I'm asking that you unvote with me Cicero.

unvote:

No reason for cicero to unvote pwayne66, he's on the right track. Strange suggestion.

I just want to make sure neither you or Pwayne are prematurely hammered. That is all.

[shaka!!]

Wait a sec skruffs... back this up

PWayne did not seem to know or think there would be an SK in the game. (Skruffs)

and we're back in business. I can deal with your mafia ass tomorrow if I'm alive.

What are you implying here? You totally lost me.

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Yes I am some what in the same position Cicero.

Vote: Toaster Strudel

This is not me saying Pwayne is town and TS is scum, this is me evening the vote count.

[shaka!!]

unvote

Fuck myself. I apologize TS. It completely slip my mind. I promise to be more careful in the future.

[shaka!!]

The whole plea to emotion is a tad bit hypocritical, although I do agree with you on the matter. The numbers don't add up.

vote: Pwayne

Boy has today taken a turn.

[shaka!!]

'twas a good fight Pwayne. I would have never voted you until TS and Skruffs nailed you with that claim.

[shaka!!]

Skruffs: Psychiatrist targets a person. Did the psychiatrist turn into a regular doctor afterward? He didn't? Oh, guess that person wasn't the SK then! See? It's easy. Bear in mind that I'm not defending pwayne (since it's obvious by now he was lying), but I don't like how this very simple explanation eluded you.

That said, I was under the impression that a psychiatrist was a kind of doctor who protected AS WELL AS cured the SK. Hence my newbish question.

Yes but Pwayne said that he was informed by pm that I wasn't the psychiatrist.

[shaka!!]

I mean serial killer.

[shaka!!]

Oh man you guys did it!

To think I was wrong about BM ): Oh well I'm learning.

Although I would like to ask, why was I NK'D!? I try play all my games scummy enough to never be night killed, this was my first time (if I remember correctly, could be wrong though, too lazy to check.)

I must say I was highly impressed with Skruffs and HackerHucks game, I hope to play with you guys again.

[shaka!!]

I was almost dead sure that going into day 3 I was going to be lynched. I had received absolutely no heat from anyone the entire game and then Pwayne falsely calls me out to not be the SK. I knew I'd have no way of defending myself, also seeing as I had played a very lurky game. I kept checking my role to make sure I was not the SK, lol.

[shaka!!]

Thanks Cic!



Wow, two independent mentions of Batshit Crazy having to do with me in this game... it must be true!

I just couldn't believe anyone would give credence to pwayne's claim... I got sooooooooo frustrated.

A very fun game all in all.

I remember getting so fustrated I thought to myself, I'm going to hammer him so everyone can see that he is the psychiatrist and that I'm not the sk, lol.

[shaka!!]

This was like, 3 or 4 posts after his claim though.

[shaka!!]

While I'm thinking of it: Big thank you to the replacements that came in, took up the mantle and did not subsequently flake. Very appreciated.

And what about a big thank you to those who stayed in it to the end, thick and thin (;