Blitz 12: Double Trouble! (Game Over)

[Squirrelly]

VOTE: Firebringer

[Squirrelly]

VOTE: Dominator
For being a douchebag

[Squirrelly]

Oh gawd not errantparabola. Please don't let him live to mylo/lylo. pleaseeee

Ummm what game?
I don't think I have had a recent scum win.
Wait are you talking about me even?

As has been said...are you being intentionally dense?

[Squirrelly]

Let's get a bw rolling.

Why did you want a wagon so soon?

[Squirrelly]

Id rather not participate in RVS, just to create a point of discussion for you guys to talk about.

<3

Why not participate and generate multiple points of discussion?

[Squirrelly]

Nice playing with you again, Ranger, Yakko, Titus, Fire, wanderer, Dwlee.

VOTE: AlwaysInnocent
Saying he's a non-conformist seems like an attempt to look town.

What do you think your greeting looks like to other people? Most every game has people who have played with each other before, but there's not a lot of greetings like yours.

[Squirrelly]

So!
{Dwlee}
{Yakko, Dominator}
{Errant, Firebringer, AlwaysInnocent, Flubbernugget}
{Squirrelly, gimick, ZZZX}
{Wanderer}
{Phantom Cobalt, Titus, texcat, Bebop}.
(Forgot Flubbernugget in my notes before.)
There we go!

Sure would be nice to have reasons.

[Squirrelly]

But LOOK at that trenchcoat, yakko. It is the number #1 scum tell on idiot's guide to mafia volume pi. It is 100% accurate

Still screwing around when others have left RVS.

[Squirrelly]

Looks like things have started moving forward while I was gone. I'll try to pay some reads tomorrow.

You'll

try

...

tomorrow

? This is a blitz game. How about

doing...today

?

[Squirrelly]

I know that people sometimes have weak reasons to have some ill-informed opinion about someone during this stage, but it seems like he is just throwing around reads for the sake of appearing town. He has not even explained

any

of these reads, as far as I can see.

I am compelled to leave my non-conformist identity behind and join the Ranger wagon.

She does that. I don't like it and will continue to point it out. Reads don't do much for the rest of us without explanation. But, I have seen her do this as town.

[Squirrelly]

Why not?

I didn't say you shouldn't, I asked why you did. A simple "I wanted to see how he reacted" would have sufficed. Instead, you defensively dodge.

[Squirrelly]

Olloh

I'm in catch up and chatting with persivul.
He hasn't said his reads yet.
*shakes fist*

Ugh
Is this going to be one of those low activity blitzes

Just looking at that vote count on me.

I am impresssed, who else besides maybe titus would have this many votes on them this early?

I amaze myself, I haven't even done anything

This is not a reaction that makes me very confident in fire being town

This read like a weak reason to call someone scum.

there's no town motivation for making it.
Fire made a post that talked about himself. How does that move the game forward?
I als[quote="In o have extremely minor problems with the cavalier attitude (is it faked?) but that can be ignored for now because that could be just playstyle.

This is nitpicky [quote="In [url=htt ... 86]post 60, texcat"]

Just looking at that vote count on me.

I am impresssed, who else besides maybe titus would have this many votes on them this early?

I amaze myself, I haven't even done anything

Maybe, just maybe, you should do something then??[/quote]

I'd lynch this too but it's meta/feeling like a bitch moment.

At least one of {PhantomCobalt, Titus} is scum.

Dwlee is town; texcat and BeBop also are pinging for scum.

It's too early to tell for sure on Errant/Firebringer/AlwaysInnocent, but early indicators are town.
Squirrelly, not so sure about; still too early to say.

Why is phantom or Titus possible scum?

Dwlee is a scum lean.
Early buddying dectected

At least one of {PhantomCobalt, Titus} is scum.

Dwlee is town; texcat and BeBop also are pinging for scum.

It's too early to tell for sure on Errant/Firebringer/AlwaysInnocent, but early indicators are town.
Squirrelly, not so sure about; still too early to say.

Here, we have strong positions taken here. I liked PC as scum, so Ranger stating one must be scum isn't a problem.

Dwelee is indeed obvtown.

Hell no. And with that comment you lost many town points I had on you.

Vote: errant

[Squirrelly]

Titus: is this the dumb association part of you again?
I have to ask because I'm not sure if I should start raging yet or not

[Squirrelly]

Dwlee is doing a lot of joking even past the rvs stage while throwing shade at errant.
Also the vote on beebop and buddying.

Oh gawd not errantparabola. Please don't let him live to mylo/lylo. pleaseeee

Oh gawd not errantparabola. Please don't let him live to mylo/lylo. pleaseeee

You now are second on my lynch list.

My most recent completed game he fooled everyone and was scum. Don't let him f-ing live.

But LOOK at that trenchcoat, yakko. It is the number #1 scum tell on idiot's guide to mafia volume pi. It is 100% accurate

Oh gawd not errantparabola. Please don't let him live to mylo/lylo. pleaseeee

Ummm what game?
I don't think I have had a recent scum win.
Wait are you talking about me even?

As has been said...are you being intentionally dense?

^

I think I have with this vote
VOTE: Beboparebop
I do not like the promise of reads this early.

[Squirrelly]

Titus: is this the dumb association part of you again?
I have to ask because I'm not sure if I should start raging yet or not

I don't recall ever playing with you.

Second, "dumb association"? Talk to me about your Dwelee read.

Farside here.
You want to discuss another speed game with your association reads?

[Squirrelly]

Considering i have explicitly stated i dont scumread fire, i dont see how you are comfortable with saying that i am weak-scumreading fire.

You also said you don't see town fire in what I quoted

[Squirrelly]

Titus: is this the dumb association part of you again?
I have to ask because I'm not sure if I should start raging yet or not

I don't recall ever playing with you.

Second, "dumb association"? Talk to me about your Dwelee read.

Farside here.
You want to discuss another speed game with your association reads?

Blitz 1. Sure. Let's discuss it.

You're town. Dwelee town. Ranger town (we should agree on this one). Let's go.

Not the first blitz.

I'll play along for a moment. You trust me, I'll trust you and just smile and nod when I say innocent is a town read of mine.

[Squirrelly]

pers early reads:

Townie {titus, AI, errant, texcat}

Scummy {phantom, dwlee}

Don't know {ranger, firebringer, dominator}

Need more posts - everyone else

[Squirrelly]

tells ranger to include reasons with condensed reads --> does the same thing
what are you doing

Here you go:
Townie
Errant - played scum with her once and she feels more involved with this game
Titus, AI - farside says so
texcat - played town with her once and this is similar so far

Scummy
Phantom - feels like scum trying to act townie
DWlee - active lurking

Don't know
Ranger - checked her scum game and it started very much like her town game
Firebringer - tough for me to read
Domiator - tough to read someone who's a douchebag in every game

[Squirrelly]

Ranger and Dwelee are town. Work with me here.

I'll work with you, i.e. I'm not voting either one of them, but that doesn't change my opinions at this point.

[Squirrelly]

@Squirrely can you show me one of my posts that look like I'm faking town?

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You throw in a green and a couple reds, but who do you follow up with? Titus, who is scum reading you. You're not after scum, you're trying to protect your own hide.

[Squirrelly]

Ok. Phantom wagon?

Sure.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Phantom

- pers

[Squirrelly]

@Squirrely can you show me one of my posts that look like I'm faking town?

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You throw in a green and a couple reds, but who do you follow up with? Titus, who is scum reading you. You're not after scum, you're trying to protect your own hide.

I'm scum reading you, Dom, and Ranger. How is that not scumhunting?

I already told you. Instead of going on to pressure your scum reads, you were more concerned with Titus's scum read on you, even though you don't scum read her.

[Squirrelly]

Wait, you're a hydra? Wow I need to re read the first page.

I'll try to be better about signing - this is my first hydra.

I was most active at first as farside was busy. When you first noted a post of ours as town, that was mine. Then farside came in for a bit, and now we're mixing it up.

- persivul

[Squirrelly]

What do people think about TheDominator (ISO)? While I have my doubts about Phantom, I sort of get why he would vote TheDominator. TheDominator's posting behavior is just... odd. Even weirder than Dwlee's posting behavior.

Dominator's an easy target. Even When he's town he doesn't help town, and can actively hinder it. I believe he just came off a lengthy ban so that should tell you something - he's a troll, not a serious player.

I found phantom's vote on him to be a blatant attempt to shift attention off himself.

[Squirrelly]

trying to catch up and had to stop at page 11.
I'm about to run out so let me fill in those spots I marked first.

Why are you not similarly attacking my push on you, innocent?
Squirrelly, just because i say im not confident in fire being town doesnt mean i have a scumread. Again, even if i had a weak scumread, i would vote.

I'd say you are for sure scum and I'm a little miffed at persivul for switching votes currently.

vote: Errant

Will explain more why, later

Also, just because someone is joking in a blitz doesnt mean that slot is scum. And i find it odd that you're trying to push that because thats the kind of logic that sets us up for mislynches.

Yeah because doing shit all is a great reason to town read someone?
No seriously.
How do you know it is a mislynch by the way?

Squirrel, talk to me.

Try me back later.

Ok, I will meet you half way. I take Dwelee as innocent. You take AI as innocent.

Your move.

Fine, but not ranger.

Was reading through can't seem to focus. I did just wake up. I don't think people dissappearing is cause for alarm yet might just have different posting times.

The errant v always is bad imo if one of them is schm I can't tell yet because of post inflation and arguing their individual points. It would be great if you guys could focus on other people so I could tell if one of yous is full of shit.

The ranger reads idk I saw them raised brows. It was weird to me. It felt like filler.

@firebringer what do you think of the game so far?
UNVOTE:

I agree with yakko about ranger.

@Squirrely can you show me one of my posts that look like I'm faking town?

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You throw in a green and a couple reds, but who do you follow up with? Titus, who is scum reading you. You're not after scum, you're trying to protect your own hide.

I'm scum reading you, Dom, and Ranger. How is that not scumhunting?

Why?

@Squirrely can you show me one of my posts that look like I'm faking town?

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You throw in a green and a couple reds, but who do you follow up with? Titus, who is scum reading you. You're not after scum, you're trying to protect your own hide.

I'm scum reading you, Dom, and Ranger. How is that not scumhunting?

Scumhunting is more about the process than having a list of scum.

Did you read my wall?

To be fair I missed the wall.

Anyways I'll be back later

[Squirrelly]

Farside I am here. Let's talk. I want to get a town block going, the fact you two aren't giving me ranger who should be a shoe in is problematic. Talk to me.

Why did you move your vote?

Just few questions
1) do you even realize there is more then 1 scum team in this game?
2) why should I give you ranger as a town read?
3) do you even read my post or skim?

[Squirrelly]

Anyways errant just feels like he is going with the follow without standing out.
The push on AI is weak.

[Squirrelly]

I'd say only one good post by errant while the rest is just meh.
Firebringer is a scum read at this point. I'm used to him being more active and fluffy as town

[Squirrelly]

1) Yes. Bebop is likely bussing. We can sort it out later. Find scum lynch scum. Then be certain on buddies.
2) Blitz One + Sudoken
3) which one would you like me to reread?

1) not sure about this. It depends on set up game wise.
2) meh.
3) 318 when I said I'd be back later to explain and had to run.

[Squirrelly]

Why is pc scum?

[Squirrelly]

Also don't expect anything much else from me today.
Bowling, X-mad cookie baking and I have a guest in town this week

[Squirrelly]

Only one death...

VOTE: Squirrel

Did you betray me? I think you tried.

I have no clue what your issue is.
If you expect me to be a mind reader your going to be dissapointed greatly

[Squirrelly]

Hey bebop.

I spoke with persivul and he thinks errant is town.
I don't feel like fighting him so I look at the wagon and one scum read stood out.

Vote: wanderer

[Squirrelly]

Only one death...

VOTE: Squirrel

Did you betray me? I think you tried.

I have no clue what your issue is.
If you expect me to be a mind reader your going to be dissapointed greatly

And if I said you're the reason there was only one kill?

I'd call you lying scum.

[Squirrelly]

Funny, I could a jailed you or kills repeat. Interesting you jump to lying.

You voted me.
That doesn't imply jk or saving in the least

[Squirrelly]

I'm waiting Titus for you to explain your reaction hunting.
You either explain or I push my hand hard.

[Squirrelly]

Funny, I could a jailed you or kills repeat. Interesting you jump to lying.

You voted me.
That doesn't imply jk or saving in the least

It implies you need to be resolved. Jailkeeper doesn't know whether they blocked or healed you. Thus needing resolution.

Your attacking when I soft claimed in this game?
You joking?

[Squirrelly]

Go ahead and push.

Why did you jk me in the first place?

[Squirrelly]

Pretty sure you're scum so.

Why?

I already explained myself well enough for you to figure my role.

[Squirrelly]

Funny, I could a jailed you or kills repeat. Interesting you jump to lying.

You voted me.
That doesn't imply jk or saving in the least

It implies you need to be resolved. Jailkeeper doesn't know whether they blocked or healed you. Thus needing resolution.

Your attacking when I soft claimed in this game?
You joking?

I don't do crumbs.

Well this is a lie.

Vote: Titus

[Squirrelly]

Go ahead and push.

Why did you jk me in the first place?

Cuz you'd be the person I would send for a kill if scum.

And yet your attacking me for not dying?

Seriously that train of thought doesn't match

[Squirrelly]

No I really don't read crumbs. I leave em but I don't see em.

Second, you buy me jking you. So if that's the case someone else saw them.

No I'm asking you questions about it.

I'm not going to point to my crumb any further since all your saying is I'm voting squirrelly because she didn't die and I would kill her but she must be scum that submitted the kill.
That's like taking a cake and chocking on it.

[Squirrelly]

By the way Titus looks for crumbs in this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... b#p7364687
So again I'm going to call her a liar again

[Squirrelly]

Titus, can you explain how that makes squirrelly scum? If you jailed them, then you yourself said you could have either protected or role blocked them. That makes this a 50/50, what is pushing you to say that squirrelly is scum?

Her response. I told her the truth. I believed she was the reason for the one kill. That is true of roleblock or heal. Squirrel jumps to attack me and imply I am lying.

Scum tend the twniest looking scum and I didn't like how close you two were.

If I am wrong, having documentation she was the other team's kill is good.

No you voted me.
There was nothing clear about protecting me at all

[Squirrelly]

By the way Titus looks for crumbs in this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... b#p7364687
So again I'm going to call her a liar again

I didn't go looking for that. Twas a sledgehammer.

I could post more, admittley mine was sutle.

[Squirrelly]

I voted you because you needed resolution and the facts needed to come out.

That doesn't imply a town read at all or even hey maybe I protected a town read.
It's you pushing it as stopping a scum kill when I'm not scum.

[Squirrelly]

I voted you because you needed resolution and the facts needed to come out.

That doesn't imply a town read at all or even hey maybe I protected a town read.
It's you pushing it as stopping a scum kill when I'm not scum.

I lost my townread on you when we lynched town.

I wasn't on that wagon?
I put a question mark because persivul switched it again and I missed it

[Squirrelly]

So squirrely are you still going to call me a liar on jailing you?

Considering you push and reasoning, yes I am

[Squirrelly]

Here is why I don't believe Titus and her claim.
She attacks do to one death but acts like it should be clear with her vote it could be protective.
Her scum read is based on lynching pc, we weren't on the wagon so that is crap and not a single post seems to go on the assumption of protecting, which is what a town protective role would think too.

Only one death...

VOTE: Squirrel

Did you betray me? I think you tried.

I have no clue what your issue is.
If you expect me to be a mind reader your going to be dissapointed greatly

And if I said you're the reason there was only one kill?

Funny, I could a jailed you or kills repeat. Interesting you jump to lying.

Only one death...

VOTE: Squirrel

Did you betray me? I think you tried.

Funny, I could a jailed you or kills repeat. Interesting you jump to lying.

You voted me.
That doesn't imply jk or saving in the least

It implies you need to be resolved. Jailkeeper doesn't know whether they blocked or healed you. Thus needing resolution.

Go ahead and push.

Why did you jk me in the first place?

Cuz you'd be the person I would send for a kill if scum.

No I really don't read crumbs. I leave em but I don't see em.

Second, you buy me jking you. So if that's the case someone else saw them.

Go ahead and push.

Why did you jk me in the first place?

Cuz you'd be the person I would send for a kill if scum.

And yet your attacking me for not dying?

Seriously that train of thought doesn't match

No I am attacking you because there was one death.

Titus, can you explain how that makes squirrelly scum? If you jailed them, then you yourself said you could have either protected or role blocked them. That makes this a 50/50, what is pushing you to say that squirrelly is scum?

Her response. I told her the truth. I believed she was the reason for the one kill. That is true of roleblock or heal. Squirrel jumps to attack me and imply I am lying.

Scum tend the twniest looking scum and I didn't like how close you two were.

If I am wrong, having documentation she was the other team's kill is good.

I voted you because you needed resolution and the facts needed to come out.

That doesn't imply a town read at all or even hey maybe I protected a town read.
It's you pushing it as stopping a scum kill when I'm not scum.

I lost my townread on you when we lynched town.

[Squirrelly]

I voted you because you needed resolution and the facts needed to come out.

That doesn't imply a town read at all or even hey maybe I protected a town read.
It's you pushing it as stopping a scum kill when I'm not scum.

I lost my townread on you when we lynched town.

I wasn't on that wagon?
I put a question mark because persivul switched it again and I missed it

You backed off at the last second.

Thats bullshit.
Persivul voted and that was clear as day.

[Squirrelly]

Point blank: I healed or stopped you. I wanted pressure to determine which.

You said you crumbed a role. Said role must not get feedback, thus you would know I blocked you.

You made a post where you assumed my block to be true.

You're assuming I came out here and blatantly lied about jailing you for shits and jiggle. Nope.

Let's use facts here.
My soft claim is only understandable to me and persivul.
I'm about 95% you caught the claim and trying to push this lynch to help your scum buddies get rid of town role that is confirmable.
No where did I say I believed the claim.
I wondered at first if you were trying to gambit or reaction for others.
All of which I stated.

So in short your lying scum hoping to get me lynched.

[Squirrelly]

And since Titus is trying to push this mislynch I did my subtle claim in this game directed to Titus and she has made no effort to try and find it.
That is why I'm 95% certain she caught my claim is lying

[Squirrelly]

And just how hypothetically would you be confirmable?

If you're certain I know, you're not saying anything I don't know. If I am town, yousmack me upside the head.

I'm not going to explain to you

[Squirrelly]

Your the scum player faking a role that you don't have to lynch town.
I'll wait for others to look at it and question things here

[Squirrelly]

Go ahead and push.

Why did you jk me in the first place?

Cuz you'd be the person I would send for a kill if scum.

And yet your attacking me for not dying?

Seriously that train of thought doesn't match

Not sure why you quoted this

[Squirrelly]

And just how hypothetically would you be confirmable?

If you're certain I know, you're not saying anything I don't know. If I am town, yousmack me upside the head.

I'm not going to explain to you

This confirmable is a fiction to save yourself isn't it?

Nope.
Just know your claim if fake right now.

[Squirrelly]

Your the scum player faking a role that you don't have to lynch town.
I'll wait for others to look at it and question things here

So I randomly fakeclaim jailkeepers to start a day in violation of every scumrule I have?

Let's see, outs any cc for scum.
Helps scum team there.
Trying to lynch a role you know is confirmable, also helps your scum team.
Tell me how your action even should read town?

[Squirrelly]

Well I'm not voting you or Squirrelly today based on present info, though your reasoning makes me a lot less comfortable taking queues from squirrelly.

Wanderer is another scum read. Titus isn't talking about anyone on the actual wagon that lynched town sure made me wonder who she was protecting as her scum buddy

[Squirrelly]

Also, Squirrelly, Titus isn't scum.

I can't imagine this is town Titus.
No way. That women knows I don't fake claim early as scum.

[Squirrelly]

Here is why I don't believe Titus and her claim.
She attacks do to one death but acts like it should be clear with her vote it could be protective.
Her scum read is based on lynching pc, we weren't on the wagon so that is crap and not a single post seems to go on the assumption of protecting, which is what a town protective role would think too.

I'm pretty sure Titus said that her scum read was due to your initial reaction to her claim. If you had started out saying thanks for protecting me, Titus would have said you're welcome and backed off.

I'm not a mind reader, nothing she posted said hey I protected you dumb ass.
If so please quote it

[Squirrelly]

Also, Squirrelly, Titus isn't scum.

I can't imagine this is town Titus.
No way. That women knows I don't fake claim early as scum.

That's a claim from me. Not a read.

I hope she's a gf because I'm going to go off on her post game if not scum.

Vote: wanderer

[Squirrelly]

Here is why I don't believe Titus and her claim.
She attacks do to one death but acts like it should be clear with her vote it could be protective.
Her scum read is based on lynching pc, we weren't on the wagon so that is crap and not a single post seems to go on the assumption of protecting, which is what a town protective role would think too.

I'm pretty sure Titus said that her scum read was due to your initial reaction to her claim. If you had started out saying thanks for protecting me, Titus would have said you're welcome and backed off.

Yup.

Fuck off.

[Squirrelly]

This was towards and for Titus as far as what I was being subtle about.

Titus: is this the dumb association part of you again?
I have to ask because I'm not sure if I should start raging yet or not

Titus: is this the dumb association part of you again?
I have to ask because I'm not sure if I should start raging yet or not

I don't recall ever playing with you.

Second, "dumb association"? Talk to me about your Dwelee read.

Farside here.
You want to discuss another speed game with your association reads?

Titus: is this the dumb association part of you again?
I have to ask because I'm not sure if I should start raging yet or not

I don't recall ever playing with you.

Second, "dumb association"? Talk to me about your Dwelee read.

Farside here.
You want to discuss another speed game with your association reads?

Blitz 1. Sure. Let's discuss it.

You're town. Dwelee town. Ranger town (we should agree on this one). Let's go.

Not the first blitz.

I'll play along for a moment. You trust me, I'll trust you and just smile and nod when I say innocent is a town read of mine.

[Squirrelly]

If she can't figure out from there I can't help and won't.
I'll leave it to persivul.

[Squirrelly]

Here is why I don't believe Titus and her claim.
She attacks do to one death but acts like it should be clear with her vote it could be protective.
Her scum read is based on lynching pc, we weren't on the wagon so that is crap and not a single post seems to go on the assumption of protecting, which is what a town protective role would think too.

I'm pretty sure Titus said that her scum read was due to your initial reaction to her claim. If you had started out saying thanks for protecting me, Titus would have said you're welcome and backed off.

Yup.

Fuck off.

Didn't realize you were interested in my masturbation habits.

So how are you confirmable? Why are you backing off if convinced? Why not argue scum jailkeeper?

Looks up many negative terms to use on Titus.
Shrug
Too bad it will wait for post game, in the mean time you should read things said already

[Squirrelly]

Ugh another false positive on that...and the mod puts that in multiball...

I just figured you were being arrogant atm

Finally!!!
Jesus women I didn't want to smack you in the face with it.

[Squirrelly]

Hey guys I actually don't have any time to post this weekend but I will on Monday. Can someone give me a quick recap? Has anyone claimed yet?

Yes, vote wanderer

[Squirrelly]

I pulled a rabbit out of my hat.

[Squirrelly]

Hey guys I actually don't have any time to post this weekend but I will on Monday. Can someone give me a quick recap? Has anyone claimed yet?

Farside Always Innocent and I are confirmed town.

VOTE: Wanderer

Add beepop to the list

[Squirrelly]

How??? That sounds broke as fuck

Gf?
Protective/jk type can protect one but no more info for that one then

[Squirrelly]

How??? That sounds broke as fuck

Gf?
Protective/jk type can protect one but no more info for that one then

Totally not wat I thought you were claiming...

Sigh.
Cries
Go back and read what was said for day 2.
I don't want to hurt you, but I do hate your ignorance currently.


In regards to wander post 231 is what I call lip service, lots of I agree with this and that and jumped on PC for weak reason.
this is a pile o crap reasoning to scum read someone
Finally she isn't asking questions or figuring jack shit in this game. She's riding low as I expect scum to do throwing out bad reasoning so the other team doesn't kill her.

[Squirrelly]

Also 2 scum reads and even with PC town she still going after the same person, please, she's scum and should be lynched

[Squirrelly]

Here - been busy, will try to catch up tonight.

- pers

p-edit: you beat me to it

[Squirrelly]

I'll be honest.
I'm just beat tonight. I had a really crazy day at work and I just want to go to sleep.

[Squirrelly]

Farside *bats eye lashes* please give me this one.

I'm cute??
Sorry I'm a few pages behind right now.
I told Pere if he thought ranger was scum I wouldn't mess with the vote this time but I was more sure about wanderer and I think firebringer is scum with her.
That was were I was last

[Squirrelly]

Deadline is 15DEC15, 0 days, 12 hours, 23 minutes

That stinks.
I'll try to caught up at lunch, but I only get 30 min

[Squirrelly]

Let's see how well I can multi task today.

I'm leaning scum on Flubber currently. His case on yakko is pretty awful and as it is only in regards to day 2 with nothing about day 1 I'm calling it a fake read.
Dominator I'd like to vig on principal alone.
My teeth grind when I read errant and I wonder why he isn't attacking wander today too. Pere isn't scum reading him but whatever I'll just note what I see for now.
@errant: despite what some think I was town reading Titus at the end of day 1, however her saying I was response for the lack of kill threw me off and I thought at first she was reaction hunting.

I don't like the wifom from errant at all. Just saying.
AI stay out of the shiny theory!

Still feel meh about ranger I give her points and a hug for catching onto things most missed.
As I move on my read on ranger is leaning town.

Flubber stays as a scum read because he is not dumb by any stretch.

Stopped at page 26

[Squirrelly]

Yakko
Wanderer
Dwlee

For now everyone else can be town by poe

There's 5 hours to deadline, wanderer has a wagon and is in your scumpool, but your vote is on yakko. Why? Did I miss a change in your wanderer read? If not, are you going to move your vote?

- pers

[Squirrelly]

Albert B., what do you think about TheDominator?

I checked Dom's ISO and yes, it's crap. D1 was garbage but that's not unusual from my (limited) experience with him. What struck me was the change in tone D2 along with the comment on the NK. Now, if he had followed it up with more posts of a serious nature, I might be OK with it. But, he then went back to lurk mode. It seems like scum wanting people to check who was scum reading dwlee the heaviest.

That said, there's probably not time to do anything about it now. farside has a scum read on wanderer and that's the best wagon right now, so we need to stay on it.

- pers

[Squirrelly]

Vote: ABR

[Squirrelly]

I have Flubber and firebringer as scum.

I'm going with who I see more likely scum here.

Vote: firebringer

[Squirrelly]

Titus has flipped JK. Late yesterday Titus wanted to lynch

flubbernugget

. So, Titus probably jailed flubber. There are two known scum factions, but there was only one kill. Ergo, flubber is scum.

- pers

[Squirrelly]

Ranger and errant what are your thought on number of scum in game faction wise?

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I'm not having a lot of time but I know I explained my scum read on Flubber before and firebringer is essential lurking more then normal for a blitz game.
Plus is you read wander ISO she calls firebringer scum then drops the read quickly with no reason, that's why I see firebringer scum.

I'm null with zzzx, Dom and texcat.
I disagree with AI's scum read on ranger.

[Squirrelly]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Flubber

- pers

[Squirrelly]

6 scum out of 16 players is not a huge leap.

Consider the setup Jungle Republic, which has 5 scum out of 12 players. How do they balance it? By only allowing one nightkill per night. In Jungle Republic this is done by only granting Werewolves the power to nightkill, and give the Mafia an extra Mafia Goon. It may seem like the Town is very weak, but since the scum factions are also competing with each other, the Town is in a better position than you would think based on the number of scum alone.

Now consider this game. Until now only

one

person was killed each night. We know that there are (at least) two scum factions, so apparently something is keeping the nightkills minimal. It is not Titus, since Titus was killed on N2 and did not seem to influence the number of nightkills on N3. Recall that Pisskop said that this game had

unique nightkill mechanics

, which may have very well something to do with the "lack" of nightkills.

It may not even be a stretch to think that this game has 7 scum, but I would not go that far... yet.

NO WAY that this game has only 4 scum, though.

Realistic and likely.

Why is 4 scum "likely"?

But I'm not sure of your intentions with this post. Almost like you are forcing a town read for yourself

How does a discussion of setup and mechanics make you think he's forcing a town read for himself?

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Flubber

- pers

I'm willing to consider that option tomorrow, but today, we should really be lynching texcat.

How about flubber today, texcat tomorrow, due to lack of time and there's already a few votes on flubber?

- persivul

[Squirrelly]

mod, can we get a VC? Will the zzzx replacement affect deadline? Thanks.

[Squirrelly]

10 hours to go and the biggest wagon is L-3.

[Squirrelly]

I think I know what the unique kill mechanism is.

And?

[Squirrelly]

How about flubber today, texcat tomorrow, due to lack of time and there's already a few votes on flubber?

- persivul

Flubber is possible scum (but there are other possibilities, namely, ZZZX and Errantparabola), but texcat's guaranteed scum.
I'd much rather lynch texcat first.

Especially given that lynching Flubber will almost certainly not eliminate a faction, whereas lynching texcat almost guarantees eliminating a faction.

Let me check what farside thought about texcat, if anything. I'm getting a feeling that flubber and dom might not be good lynches today. Be back in a few minutes.

[Squirrelly]

persivul ^^

[Squirrelly]

farside hasn't said anything about texcat and is busy now IRL. Texcat's ISO is pretty bad.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: texcat

[Squirrelly]

One more vote needed. Then I will hammer. Just wanting to check everyone before they are voting.

Why don't you just vote...

[Squirrelly]

FB, kaboose, dom...we need one of you to hammer.

[Squirrelly]

Ranger, what are the scum teams (including those already dead) as you see it?

[Squirrelly]

At this point, I think what we need is to town-hunt.

Firebringer is a strong townread of mine; Squirrelly is my strongest townread.

With seven alive and likely only two werewolves left, what we need to win is one name who is undeniably not a werewolf.

The candidates are {Errantparabola, Kaboose, hi im Yakko, Flubbernugget}.

The problem I face now is that I'm equally willing to consider lynching any of them.

I would like to know about why fire is town but I will say flubber scum read for sure.

vote: Flubber

Merry Christmas

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I would like to know about why fire is town but I will say flubber scum read for sure.

vote: Flubber

And I'd like to know why Flubber's so strongly a scumread (hint: Titus's JK does not count for anything as far as I'm concerned), so if you have a case, I'd love to see it. (You might've done so already, but now's a fine time to restate it.) Ideally, we townhunt for the single town name, but lynching scum is lynching scum, soyeah, if Flubber is scum...I'd vote him in a heartbeat.

Not scum hunting.
No seriously he came into day 2, taking nothing from day 1 and used something current to make a case.
It's called a desperate grasp

[Squirrelly]

Yakko
Wanderer
Dwlee

For now everyone else can be town by poe

He also had wanderer as scum and never voted here.
That's pretty classic scum bussing without voting shot there.

[Squirrelly]

I have errant and FB as town. Yakko and/or Kaboose as scum. Farside disagrees on FB to my knowledge but she's been busy and we haven't talked much lately.

- pers

Sorry!

[Squirrelly]

So there was 3 vamps flip and I think that maybe 5 ww left.
I think we should mass claim.

We claimed early on.
I popcorn to kabose to claim next

[Squirrelly]

Sorry 2 ww left not 5.

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scum slip, their is no villager role.

Mod used the term twice.

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I was hoping for one more PR besides us.

Pere is town reading errant so I'm leaving that with him.
Fire just hasn't done anything this game and sometimes I do caught him scum hunting which is why I'm bugged by him.
Pere and I both agree with kabose as scum.
I'm pretty null with yakko

[Squirrelly]

We're a mason along with AI. Unlike AI, we don't have any additional powers.

I've been reading ISOs today and I'm seeing FB scummier, and Kaboose townier, but I'm still not sure on either of these. I like Errant as town. Still need to review Yakko.

- pers

[Squirrelly]

Fire just hasn't done anything this game and sometimes I do caught him scum hunting which is why I'm bugged by him.

Your scum.

There, I scum hunted brah.

Your a dumb ass.

There I made a point.


Why does errant bug you?

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Can I vote now?

Can I vote now?

You could always vote!

Don't let these facists dictate your actions.

Can I vote now?

You could always vote!

Don't let these facists dictate your actions.

Cool. VOTE: firebringer

No, you can't vote. There's a good chance that there are two scum of the same faction left, making this lylo. Unvote and use FOS if you're town.

Also, where did the scum read on firebringer come from?

- pers

[Squirrelly]

IS THAT A FIRE/ABR/YAKKO team is HIGHLY UNLIKELY.

I want everyone to comment on this.

Yakko voting fire makes me more confident that they're different alignments

OK. ABR was a cop claim and didn't post much, sop there's not much to go on there.

Reviewing yakko's ISO, there's a lot of references/questions to FB in the first half of the game. It really stuck out as FB was very quiet in the first half of the game. When each gave reads, they put the other right smack dab in the null section. I'm concerned that yakko/fb are scum and the vote is a bus.

also did no one care about what I said about not voting

Scum bussing wouldn't care. Town would.

Since fire/yakko are most likely different alignments, I want kaboose to be the lynch today.

I don't like that. Kaboose's ISO isn't good but it could merely be someone replacing in late and not catching up. I propose we look more closely at yakko and FB and lynch there.

- pers

[Squirrelly]

IS THAT A FIRE/ABR/YAKKO team is HIGHLY UNLIKELY.

I want everyone to comment on this.

Yakko voting fire makes me more confident that they're different alignments

also did no one care about what I said about not voting

Well if no one is counter claiming the Mason claim then there's no reason to think you're anything less than 100% town.

this isn't an open setup. the fact that no one counterclaimed means nothing. but you're probably right that squirrelly is town.

Since fire/yakko are most likely different alignments, I want kaboose to be the lynch today.

Inconsistency on flubber is something that I'd REALLY like fire to explain. This is a key point in my read and your explanation matters a lot to my read, fire.

I said I didn't want to lynch flubber because everyone was into it and I don't like majority opinion.

So you went from scum to town on flubber based on the fact that people liked the lynch?
Why don't you like majority opinion?

Reviewing yakko's ISO, there's a lot of references/questions to FB in the first half of the game. It really stuck out as FB was very quiet in the first half of the game. When each gave reads, they put the other right smack dab in the null section. I'm concerned that yakko/fb are scum and the vote is a bus.

This is why I like Pers, always knows whats going on.

That was farside.

That was Pere.


Unlike Pere I'm more confident in kabose scum.
I figured scum missed our claim since we are alive still.
It's dumb to keep confirmed town alive and the only way that happens is when someone isn't paying attention.

Speaking of things bugging me.

Errant what is the point of your attack on kabose?

[Squirrelly]

And now I'm leaning yakko scum because he's not that dumb but trollishness is a peeve too

[Squirrelly]

That was farside.

That was me. I signed it.

- pers

[Squirrelly]

Unlike Pere I'm more confident in kabose scum.
I figured scum missed our claim since we are alive still.
It's dumb to keep confirmed town alive and the only way that happens is when someone isn't paying attention.

Since you're not using the hydra thread I'll note here - yakko isn't even paying attention to who has signed a post.

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Everyone has posted after I voted. Its not possible that fire is town.

LMAO. I was wondering if this is what you meant by saying you proved FB's scum by voting him. The lack of a quickhammer doesn't prove that FB's scum - it proves that you and/or FB is scum. Suppose the scum team is you and kaboose. Your vote doesn't enable a quickhammer. Plus, you assume (know?) that scum have daytalk to arrange the quickhammer.

[Squirrelly]

^ pers

[Squirrelly]

Scum I find actually rarely quick hammer.

WTF, in our last game you were town, put a vote up in lylo, and scum quickhammered.

[Squirrelly]

I'm assuming 2 left since vamps had 3 players on there side.

[Squirrelly]

Yakko, explain how you proved that FB is scum.

- pers

[Squirrelly]

So what?

- pers

[Squirrelly]

I don't see how you proved that FB is scum by voting him. So, I'm trying to determine if you made an honest mistake, or if it was a scum ploy.

- pers

[Squirrelly]

90% of games, scum don't do that. Usually because they don't have the opportunity to do so and are in general scared to do so.

Yeah, they usually don't do so because they don't have the opportunity, and they don't have the opportunity because townies don't put dipshit votes up. Anytime I'm scum going into lylo, I discuss quickhammer logistics with my partners. If there's daytalk it's even easier. Scum are only scared to do so if they don't have daytalk and haven't planned it out.

- pers

[Squirrelly]

I am fine with lynching in yakko and FB but I find it more risky. If I become more confident in one of them being scum then I'll go along with it.
The thing is, yakko was clearly making an effort to engage FB early game. But yakko did no such thing for ABR.
That's just inconsistent if the three of them are a team.
However, I do agree with you on the null reads being suspicious but not overly so.

Yeah, the yakko stuff to FB, but without return from FB, is bugging me. Yakko's bizarre play in the last day or so makes me pretty confident he's scum, but I'm not sure what that means re: FB.

Tonight I'm going to review the interactions of the possible combinations, talk with farside and make a decision.

Can everyone rank the other players from scummiest to least scummy?

I have:

Yakko
Kaboose
Firebringer
Errant

- pers

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Yeah, the yakko stuff to FB, but without return from FB

What are you even talking about?

If you don't know...why not? We're down to 5 people and are likely in lylo. Aren't you reading ISOs looking for relationships?

- pers

[Squirrelly]

Reviewing yakko's ISO, there's a lot of references/questions to FB in the first half of the game. It really stuck out as FB was very quiet in the first half of the game. When each gave reads, they put the other right smack dab in the null section. I'm concerned that yakko/fb are scum and the vote is a bus.

This is why I like Pers, always knows whats going on.

Yeah, the yakko stuff to FB, but without return from FB

What are you even talking about?

This came up before and you responded to it. Now you act as if it's the first you've heard of it. Why?

- pers

[Squirrelly]

I still think tis possible Yakko is town and Errant is the other scum.

What's that based on?

- pers

[Squirrelly]

Firebringer and I are the only slots who weren't on the D3 lynch of the only flipper WW.

Squirrelly, ErrantParabola, Yakko(In that order) all voted on that lynch. They were 3, 4, and 5 of 7 total votes.

If you want my uneducated guess, I would say there's a WW on and off that wagon.

I'm not a WW, I'm town. So Firebringer is a WW.

I would peg Yakko as the other because I think the last vote is more likely to be a scum hopping on the bus than the earlier two votes.

So I think Firebringer and Yakko are the last two WWs.

I think I can even find a post from Yakko that really makes me think that. Once sec let me find it.

If firebringer isn't a WW, it means the ENTIRE WW team was on the WW wagon.

Is that likely?

Sure, why not? The WW lynch was based on a cop guilty, so VCA doesn't mean much, and if anything scum partners will want to be on that wagon.

- pers

[Squirrelly]

I still think tis possible Yakko is town and Errant is the other scum.

What's that based on?

- pers

[Squirrelly]

VOTE: kaboose

UNVOTE: wait whut I am all fucked up on this.

VOTE: Flubber

I think Flubber is the best lynch today.

Intent

VOTE: flubber

18 minutes? lol

Wow that was really bad.

- pers

[Squirrelly]

Kaboose
Yakko
FB

I'm ready to vote kaboose today and farside was earlier, just waiting to hear from her to make sure nothing's changed. In case I'm not here, I'd vote Yakko tomorrow.

- pers

[Squirrelly]

Please explain why we shouldn't - with something more than simply saying you're town.

pedit: How so? Explain this in detail.

[Squirrelly]

So if you think FB is town, then the scum team is me and Yakko.

Yep, that's where I'm at, and you acknowledge it's a possible scenario.