In post 423, Ircher wrote:I'm thinking Ras, Heat, and Droog. What about the rest of y
ras has the leading wagon
and is your second-biggest scumread
why are you waiting?
you have not responded to my responses
and are not pushing a case on me for everyone else
"...probably the worst player I have had the pleasure of playing with in the last ten years..."
"i dislike this guy immensely"
"the worst townie that ever I have ever had the misfortune to play with, by a long shot"
In post 350, Ircher wrote:What the heck! This is absolute nonsense; what you just said is AI does not know who town are and who scum are, so therefore, he's completely wrong. Ok, maybe I did poorly stating my thoughts here, but FOS Droog, as this could be considered a scumslip. It is AI's opinion, and furthermore, a town player wouldn't know who's town and who's scum except for themselves. Scum on the other hand would.
1. I am calling ai'a reads backwards
Spoiler: Question2
In post 353, droog wrote:2. I do not get how you don't
See why I'm voting pisskop
Even he gets that it's policy
To be replaced
In post 350, Ircher wrote:isn't much. While I see why you'd scumread me then, I don't see why you would say you would vote me if it weren't my lack of experience. Such a vote would've been fine then, but right now, I think it would be ill-justified.
3. Well I haven't made one yet
Your reading of me is so backwards
On every point
That you are actually looking more town
[/quote]
1. I'm not buying it. You said,
" do they play mafia that way where youre from"
It would've made more sense to say you
think
AI's reads are backwards directly rather than making the scumslip of the bolded line.
2. Your intentions don't seem genuine. That's my gut feeling.
3. Yet, if I were experienced, you would've voted me when you wote it. As I said, at the early stages, that would be acceptable, but when you replace in, you should read the entire thread before casting your vote. Imo, Motive > Action. I tried explaining this in my last game, but I don't think it worked well (in fact, I think it made me look worse.....) In other words, this basically boils down to you attempting to subtly mislead town and try to get a mislynch in.
PS: This is my argument for your lynch; esp. #1
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In post 426, droog wrote:why are you waiting?
you have not responded to my responses
and are not pushing a case on me for everyone else
1. I'm not. I do wish for more engagement in the thread, but we are approaching deadline.
2. Just did
3. No, I have already, you just seemed to ignore the part that it was actually a case.
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"...probably the worst player I have had the pleasure of playing with in the last ten years..."
"i dislike this guy immensely"
"the worst townie that ever I have ever had the misfortune to play with, by a long shot"
In post 427, Ircher wrote:3. Yet, if I were experienced, you would've voted me when you wote it. As I said, at the early stages, that would be acceptable, but when you replace in, you should read the entire thread before casting your vote. Imo,
Motive > Action
. I tried explaining this in my last game, but I don't think it worked well (in fact, I think it made me look worse.....) In other words, this basically boils down to you
attempting to subtly mislead town
and try to get a mislynch in.
all reads scum make try to mislead town
you havent proved that the read i gave was scumy
or even shown the 'motive'
what you have is me saying your entrance was scummy
and if you werent experienced i wouldve voted on it
"...probably the worst player I have had the pleasure of playing with in the last ten years..."
"i dislike this guy immensely"
"the worst townie that ever I have ever had the misfortune to play with, by a long shot"
saying "i think droog is scum"
then saying "i could also lynch ras what do you guys think"
is not pushing a case
you may have made a case
but you sat around while your second scum read is being lynched
not trying to convince others of your case on me
and not switching to a wagon that could go through with your effort
"...probably the worst player I have had the pleasure of playing with in the last ten years..."
"i dislike this guy immensely"
"the worst townie that ever I have ever had the misfortune to play with, by a long shot"
In post 423, Ircher wrote:ld choose a few canidates for lynching D1 now, so we meet deadline.
I'm thinking Ras, Heat, and Droog. What about the rest of you?
this is the problem post
ras has the largest wagon with 4 votes
and is your second scumread
but at this ponit you arent pushing a case on me
when id already responded
(you wait for me ot prod you on it again)
you aernt convincing anyone to vote me
and you ask for permission
y
ou ask for permission
to switch to your second scumread
on a strong wagon
"...probably the worst player I have had the pleasure of playing with in the last ten years..."
"i dislike this guy immensely"
"the worst townie that ever I have ever had the misfortune to play with, by a long shot"
In post 423, Ircher wrote:ld choose a few canidates for lynching D1 now, so we meet deadline.
I'm thinking Ras, Heat, and Droog. What about the rest of you?
2. this is the problem post
ras has the largest wagon with 4 votes
and is your second scumread
3.but at this ponit you arent pushing a case on me
when id already responded
(you wait for me ot prod you on it again)
you aernt convincing anyone to vote me
1. and you ask for permission
y
ou ask for permission
to switch to your second scumread
on a strong wagon
1. Never did I say that. You twisted my words from trying to reach a concensus and getting info to requesting permission
2. And, what's wrong in getting the town's opinion? I do believe that's the point of the game
3. I've convinced myself, but I'll nail you tommorrow. I still think that comment about ai's reads is enough to consider you scum tbh. But, I'll write something substandial tommorrow.
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why do you need consensus?
your top scumread is me and you are only arguing with me
you are not writing caess to convince others
your second top scumread is the top wagon
why do you need consensus?
"i dont like zeroing in"
does not answer this question
"...probably the worst player I have had the pleasure of playing with in the last ten years..."
"i dislike this guy immensely"
"the worst townie that ever I have ever had the misfortune to play with, by a long shot"
these are serious concerns you have not addressed VOTE: irchir
not because omgus
not because you're inexperienced and "an easy target"
not because of some early scummy posts
your motives are at odd with your statements
i dont believe you are really pushing me
like you say you are
"...probably the worst player I have had the pleasure of playing with in the last ten years..."
"i dislike this guy immensely"
"the worst townie that ever I have ever had the misfortune to play with, by a long shot"
In post 433, Ircher wrote:3. I've convinced myself, but I'll nail you tommorrow. I still think that comment about ai's reads is enough to consider you scum tbh. But, I'll write something substandial tommorrow.
If what you write is on that topic it is unlikely to be convincing.
The following facts get in the way.
301 was to me clearly a quip as was claimed in 429. (i can imagine non native English speakers may plausibly have more trouble with seeing that, so I am stating it looks like one.)
It meant "he thought the reads list was upside down." (more or less at least)
I had a small TYDADTA, over 304, as doog was then voting someone(pisskop) he had just kinda said was on the town end of his list
Spoiler: Doogs implied reads list
HOWEVER
Even though pisskop was at the scum end of AI's list that Droog said was upside down.
Droogs actual reads list (not just an implied one) is posted at 311. And yes indeed it is, in my judgement, quite upside down as compared with AI's.
And pisskop is not as might have been erroneously guessed from the implied one considered towny in that list in 311.
So that pisskop vote(304) is not so TYDADTA afterall.
TLDR:
In post 433, Ircher wrote:3. I've convinced myself, but I'll nail you tommorrow. I still think that comment about ai's reads is enough to consider you scum tbh. But, I'll write something substandial tommorrow.
If what you write is on that topic it is unlikely to be convincing.
So when you write something more substantial please take into account the facts of the matter stated above the line.
@Ircher. If you are town you really will be best considering the above to be helpful advice.
@Everyone else. yes if hes scum that seems to help him to. However what ist does do is provide him clear basis of understanding and facts he is starting from so we can more accurately evaluate his conclusions and reasoning.
@massive
as per 152
and yes I am poking in an argument I dont belong in, I measured the size and placement of my boot quite carefully. I hope.
I think he would deserve a Policy Lynch, but as I stated, I'm not jumping on the wagon because there is a good chance I'm wrong and pisskop is just being stubborn.
He isn't contributing much and refuses to be civil or make decent, constructive posts. Instead, he keeps trolling everyone and making the game unpleasant. If he doesn't get replaced, I strongly sugges Policy Lynching him.
In post 413, Raskolnikov wrote:What you've done is took my reaction and because you saw it as a huge overreaction assumed other things like that I must strong townread PK or that I hate any sort of pressure or wagons which is BS
No actually what I did was consider possible reasons why you might have such large reaction as town.(131)
I didnt claim you must any one of those things. But when i exhausted possible towny reasons you might react like that i was left with a scum read.
Some newer players don't like pressuring people early D1. Some go so far as to be reluctant to vote at all ,and yet are town. If you had
tendencies in that direction
, that could lead you to have a tendency to jump at being by surprise on wagon of substance when you started with an RVS. My reading of your meta indicates you as a player are totally willing to pressure players early D1 and are comfortable with them being on L-1. That read is despite me seeing that you were basically LOL hammered during RVS in a completed game. So no I dont get that you are by nature a player that would jump in surprise as town like that. (
ruled out not liking to be part of pressuring
)
I also dont see that you had any kind of strong town read on Pisskop. So i have ruled out you jumping because your town read was in trouble. (
ruled out strong town read on pisskop
)
I also have ruled out that you thought there were much better candidates to be pressured. This I can be sure of because when you dropped in to say what you had that was important it was two thin town reads. (
ruled out had other better people who were scum reads and ought be pressured
)
ran out of excuses/reasons that I could make up.
So as stated I cant find any town based reason for you to be that131 concerned about being on the wagon. It makes considerably more sense as scum.
This would be preflip association, but i think your alignment doesn't say much about pisskops alignment. (maybe a little: I think it implies townier but only a smidge. Will entertain counter arguments, my read on such things is not something I trust a lot.)
i havent reread bur I tend to agree with to above 2.
droog wagon?
beeboy - Everyone thought this game was made to troll pie but it was really made to troll pisskop. Almost50 pisskop: Overall, that's a townie slot. Don't ask for specifics because with PK everything can be interpreted either way. It's probably WHEN he says/does things that matter, so it's more of a matter of conception rather than solid reasoning.
I am still very suspicious of Pisskop, but I am starting to think of the slight possibility that it was initial disinterest. Still, his posts do not seem genuine, so I still think it is probable that he is scum.
My attention has shifted to UpTooLate and Heat now. I am pretty sure at least one of them is scum. Both are highly opportunistic.
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In post 445, AlwaysInnocent wrote:
My attention has shifted to UpTooLate and Heat now. I am pretty sure at least one of them is scum. Both are highly opportunistic.
You might say all kinds of things about heat, but i am not sure how you get highly opportunistic.
You said the first vote was highly opportunistic, and I didnt understand what you meant by that.
and I cant tell what since then you are saying is opportunistic either.
you keep defending irchir
but he isnt some perfect town read
wo has never done a scummy thing
if all the read you have boils down to
'his meta is weird but i understand it'
then i am really concerned
at why you keeep whiteknighting for him
"...probably the worst player I have had the pleasure of playing with in the last ten years..."
"i dislike this guy immensely"
"the worst townie that ever I have ever had the misfortune to play with, by a long shot"
