Open 623 (White Flag) - A Moment in Time (Over)

[SirCakez]

I like how AI's scumread on Eagle suddenly developed only when Eagle started to get pressured by other players.

[AlwaysInnocent]

I like how AI's scumread on Eagle suddenly developed only when Eagle started to get pressured by other players.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlati ... _causation

[Extrapolated Eagle]

For people curious about why that case can be rested now, this is what Titus posted:

Best to just play the game naturally instead of planning out our strategies D1. If I don't know what I'm doing the Mafia surely can't counter my play.

I think you're scum with SS. Discuss.

This is what SS just said about it:

Because it's absurd to take an accusation of distancing on page one seriously.

Titus didn't accuse him of distancing. She just said she thought they were scum together. SS read distancing because perhaps that's what he was doing. Scum have a heightened awareness of their scum buddies and any tells that can be used against them. So when SS responded it was out of fear that he'd been caught for this: this is why he's reading Titus as town as well: he sees why he was caught and why he's scum. He doesn't understand my argument so he's angry at me because he thinks I caught him for the wrong reasons. I know this feeling, I've been there before.

PEdit: AI you're reading with your emotions. Stop. Think this through. You're being hasty and rash.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

I like how AI's scumread on Eagle suddenly developed only when Eagle started to get pressured by other players.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlati ... _causation

Your argument here is fallacious, if we immediately dropped all correlations simply because it does not imply causation we would have a hard time getting anywhere. This argument is also anti-town because it discourages curiosity and investigating and reinvestigating reads.

Regardless you're likely still town, despite your increasing inability to contribute helpfully.

[Something_Smart]

I like how AI's scumread on Eagle suddenly developed only when Eagle started to get pressured by other players.

...I've been pressuring Eagle for a while?

Pedit: Sorry Eagle I misread your question. I thought you meant why I responded to Titus taking me seriously by saying "lol you guys realize that was a joke right".
I thought Titus's "you're scum with Rhazh" was a joke, so I joked back.

Peditedit: AI, Eagle is right, stop using Wikipedia to defend yourself.

[Titus]

Fight me. It's like kicking a puppy.

I will totally kick puppies to lynch scum, as long as I don't attack their character or call them shit human beings.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

I like how AI's scumread on Eagle suddenly developed only when Eagle started to get pressured by other players.

...I've been pressuring Eagle for a while?

Pedit: Sorry Eagle I misread your question. I thought you meant why I responded to Titus taking me seriously by saying "lol you guys realize that was a joke right".
I thought Titus's "you're scum with Rhazh" was a joke, so I joked back.

Peditedit: AI, Eagle is right, stop using Wikipedia to defend yourself.

Alright, answer it now as you understand it, please.

Fight me. It's like kicking a puppy.

I will totally kick puppies to lynch scum, as long as I don't attack their character or call them shit human beings.

Who, the puppies or the scum?

[Titus]

You think voting her will make her engage? She'll just keep repeating what she's said and calling her wagon scum-led. Besides, if you notice, she does have an understandable (understandably wrong, but still) reason to vote me. EE on the other hand has a bunch of lies and misrepresentations.
Vote EE with me and make HIM engage.

This is so bad. So you're saying voting Titus is pointless because she won't explain anything, so we should vote Eagle, who actually explained his reads and case, instead?

Have a hug. You are town.

To explain, a hug is a sign of non romantic affection between two players that like each other. Similarly, hug it out by Nacho is a wildly effective scumhunting tool.

[Titus]

I like how AI's scumread on Eagle suddenly developed only when Eagle started to get pressured by other players.

...I've been pressuring Eagle for a while?

Pedit: Sorry Eagle I misread your question. I thought you meant why I responded to Titus taking me seriously by saying "lol you guys realize that was a joke right".
I thought Titus's "you're scum with Rhazh" was a joke, so I joked back.

Peditedit: AI, Eagle is right, stop using Wikipedia to defend yourself.

Alright, answer it now as you understand it, please.

Fight me. It's like kicking a puppy.

I will totally kick puppies to lynch scum, as long as I don't attack their character or call them shit human beings.

Who, the puppies or the scum?

Scummy puppies. I was engaging in self-satire.

My point is, I lynch scum not caring about appearances.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

You think voting her will make her engage? She'll just keep repeating what she's said and calling her wagon scum-led. Besides, if you notice, she does have an understandable (understandably wrong, but still) reason to vote me. EE on the other hand has a bunch of lies and misrepresentations.
Vote EE with me and make HIM engage.

This is so bad. So you're saying voting Titus is pointless because she won't explain anything, so we should vote Eagle, who actually explained his reads and case, instead?

Have a hug. You are town.

To explain, a hug is a sign of non romantic affection between two players that like each other. Similarly, hug it out by Nacho is a wildly effective scumhunting tool.

What is "hug it out by Nacho?"

[Titus]

That I have never really understood. You must live it. it's a very peaceful method of persuasion without facts it seems.

[Drixx]

Vote Count 1.7

AlwaysInnocent {0} -

Yonom

,

TheCow

,

Something_Smart

,

Firebringer

Cerberus v666 {0} -

Something_Smart

,
Viva La Gloria {0} -

AlwaysInnocent

,
PhantomCobalt {0} -

AlwaysInnocent

,
pistachi0n {0} -
Firebringer {0} -

Something_Smart

,
SirCakez {2} -

RhazhBash

,

pistachi0n

,

AlwaysInnocent

,

Something_Smart

,

Extrapolated Eagle

,

Viva La Gloria

, Droog,

Something_Smart

, Firebringer
Something_Smart {6} - SirCakez, Titus,

TheCow

, PhantomCobalt, Yonom, Extrapolated Eagle,

Firebringer

, Pistachi0n

{L-1}

TheCow {0} -

Always Innocent

Titus {2} - AlwaysInnocent, Viva La Gloria
Extrapolated Eagle {1} - Something_Smart
Droog {0} -
Yonom {0} -

PhantomCobalt

,


Not Voting (4): Cerberus v666, TheCow

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch or No Lynch.

Deadline is (expired on 2016-01-27 22:00:00) from now, or January 27th, 10:00 PM Eastern (GMT-5).

Prodding: N/A
Replacing: N/A

[SirCakez]

Titus you remind me of someone I play with on another site in a good way.

I like how AI's scumread on Eagle suddenly developed only when Eagle started to get pressured by other players.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlati ... _causation

I think it does in this case.

I like how AI's scumread on Eagle suddenly developed only when Eagle started to get pressured by other players.

...I've been pressuring Eagle for a while?

Pedit: Sorry Eagle I misread your question. I thought you meant why I responded to Titus taking me seriously by saying "lol you guys realize that was a joke right".
I thought Titus's "you're scum with Rhazh" was a joke, so I joked back.

Peditedit: AI, Eagle is right, stop using Wikipedia to defend yourself.

I mean AI made no mention of an Eagle scumread until the pressuring from multiple players had been going on for a bit.

[Something_Smart]

Eagle, I already answered it. My response to the quoted post of Titus's was to make that joke, as I thought there was no way she could be serious that early, especially saying "Discuss."

Pedit: Going on a bit? Really? That's saying he's scummy for changing his mind in the face of new information.

[AlwaysInnocent]

I like how AI's scumread on Eagle suddenly developed only when Eagle started to get pressured by other players.

...I've been pressuring Eagle for a while?

Pedit: Sorry Eagle I misread your question. I thought you meant why I responded to Titus taking me seriously by saying "lol you guys realize that was a joke right".
I thought Titus's "you're scum with Rhazh" was a joke, so I joked back.

Peditedit: AI, Eagle is right, stop using Wikipedia to defend yourself.

Are you seriously taking suggestions from scum?

[AlwaysInnocent]

Titus you remind me of someone I play with on another site in a good way.

I like how AI's scumread on Eagle suddenly developed only when Eagle started to get pressured by other players.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlati ... _causation

I think it does in this case.

I like how AI's scumread on Eagle suddenly developed only when Eagle started to get pressured by other players.

...I've been pressuring Eagle for a while?

Pedit: Sorry Eagle I misread your question. I thought you meant why I responded to Titus taking me seriously by saying "lol you guys realize that was a joke right".
I thought Titus's "you're scum with Rhazh" was a joke, so I joked back.

Peditedit: AI, Eagle is right, stop using Wikipedia to defend yourself.

I mean AI made no mention of an Eagle scumread until the pressuring from multiple players had been going on for a bit.

Of course I didn't. Except that I already was having doubts about him when he started explaining my actions.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Oh. I'm an idiot.

@Drixx why did viva la Gloria replace into a game where she has already seen the role PM of another player?

Ummm. So somebody messed up. Either droog and viva la Gloria are scum together or droog is town and viva is scum or both are town.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

A Moment in Time

Open 623 by Drixx
Setup: White Flag

Welcome to A Moment in Time, an open mini utilizing the White Flag open setup linked above. As a bit of added fun on top of the game, vote counts and deaths will be accompanied by moments in time. You'll see what I mean.

Playerlist:

1.)

AlwaysInnocent

2.)

pistachi0n

*
3.)

Droog

Viva La Gloria

4.)

Cerberus v666

5.)

Titus

6.)

PhantomCobalt

*
7.)

SirCakez

8.)

Something_Smart

9.)

Extrapolated Eagle

Victor_Mortimer

10.)

Viva La Gloria

NotAnAlt

*

11.)

TheCow

12.)

Yonom

13.)

Firebringer

RhazhBash

*

* = prod
Italics = Confirmed
Replacements will be noted with

Strikethrough

Spoiler: Still Making History (13/13)

1.) AlwaysInnocent
2.) pistachi0n
3.) Droog
4.) Cerberus v666
5.) Titus
6.) PhantomCobalt
7.) SirCakez
8.) Something_Smart
9.) Extrapolated Eagle
10.) Viva La Gloria
11.) TheCow
12.) Yonom
13.) Firebreather

Spoiler: Frozen in time (dead) (0/13)

Spoiler: Forgotten Forever (Mod-killed) (0/13)

Let's have a good game and not go here.

Vote Counts:

1.0, 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, 1.7

Game Events:

Droog Replaces Viva La Gloria
Extrapolated Eagle replaces Victor_Mortimer
Firebringer replaces RhazhBash
Viva La Gloria replaces NotAnAlt

Setup and Sample Role PMs:

This game is utilizing the Open Setup White Flag. This setup derives its name from the special

White Flag

mechanic. This mechanic means that the town wins when only one member of the Mafia team remains alive, as opposed to the traditional win condition of completely eliminating the entire Mafia team. You can read a brief bit about the mechanic here.

The setup is as follows:

Roles:

3 Mafia Goons
10 Vanilla Townies

Mechanics:

White Flag

Sample Role PMs:

Vanilla Townie

Welcome, [Player Name], you are a

Vanilla Townie.

Abilities:

Your weapon is your vote, you have no night actions.

Win condition:

You win when only one Mafia Goon remains.

The game thread is here.

Please confirm you received your Role PM by replying to me with your Role, Alignment and confirmation that you understand the setup. Please also confirm that you have read and understand the rules, and will abide by them.

Mafia Goon

Welcome, [Player Name], you are a

Mafia Goon,

along with [Player Name] and [Player Name].

Abilities:

- Factional Communication: During the night phase you may talk with your partners in the following PT: [PT Link]
- Factional Kill: Each night phase your faction may choose a player to kill. You may submit this kill either directly to me or via your factional PT. In the case of multiple kill submissions, I will use whichever was sent in last prior to the night timer expiring.

Win condition:

You win when all members of the town have been eliminated or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Please confirm you received your Role PM by replying to me with your Role, Alignment and confirmation that you understand the setup. Please also confirm that you have read and understand the rules, and will abide by them.

Look at #3 and #10

[AlwaysInnocent]

Oh. I'm an idiot.

@Drixx why did viva la Gloria replace into a game where she has already seen the role PM of another player?

Ummm. So somebody messed up. Either droog and viva la Gloria are scum together or droog is town and viva is scum or both are town.

Drixx has already explained this. He said that he could

confirm

that Viva La Gloria did not pick up his role PM. I think it is possible to verify this, so I trust that Drixx knows what he is doing.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Oh. I'm an idiot.

@Drixx why did viva la Gloria replace into a game where she has already seen the role PM of another player?

Ummm. So somebody messed up. Either droog and viva la Gloria are scum together or droog is town and viva is scum or both are town.

Drixx has already explained this. He said that he could

confirm

that Viva La Gloria did not pick up his role PM. I think it is possible to verify this, so I trust that Drixx knows what he is doing.

But Gloria still has role pm in her inbox and can look at it any time. I guess that could be responded to by a ban.

Idk, this feels super sketchy

[SirCakez]

Drixx said he deleted it from his outbox which means Viva never opened it as it would have been in sent messages if it was opened.

[SirCakez]

Eagle, I already answered it. My response to the quoted post of Titus's was to make that joke, as I thought there was no way she could be serious that early, especially saying "Discuss."

Pedit: Going on a bit? Really? That's saying he's scummy for changing his mind in the face of new information.

There wasn't "new information". The posts Eagle is being scumread for (the "misrepresentation" of the SS case) were there before he started being seriously pressured.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Prodding Pistachi0n.

Viva La Gloria replaces NotAnAlt.

As a note, when replacing someone who doesn't pick up their role PM, I edit the message in the outbox so that said person no longer actually has a role PM. In this case, we have a player who originally signed up and then got busy replacing back in. I have confirmed that they did not see their original role PM and therefore they only have knowledge of the slot they are replacing into. If you have any questions, please drop me a PM. ~Drixx

Oh, I just saw this. Ok. Still, I have a nasty feeling about this.

Does deleting it from your outbox delete it from their inbox? I need to try this.

[AlwaysInnocent]

I would never let the same player take another slot, but if it can be confirmed, I guess it is alright. It is just confusing.

[AlwaysInnocent]

Prodding Pistachi0n.

Viva La Gloria replaces NotAnAlt.

As a note, when replacing someone who doesn't pick up their role PM, I edit the message in the outbox so that said person no longer actually has a role PM. In this case, we have a player who originally signed up and then got busy replacing back in. I have confirmed that they did not see their original role PM and therefore they only have knowledge of the slot they are replacing into. If you have any questions, please drop me a PM. ~Drixx

Oh, I just saw this. Ok. Still, I have a nasty feeling about this.

Does deleting it from your outbox delete it from their inbox? I need to try this.

Yes, it does. It is the same PM in the database. They share the same unique identifier.