Mini 1758: Game Over

[camn]

It probably was too soon to play with you guys.
I guess your recent beating at my hands still stings, huh?

But in THIS game...
VOTE: some random mafia player

Realvote.
Why?
A) you're an Alt, obviously.
B) as such, you know you need an avatar. No avatar makes you harder to keep track of
C) thus, you are intentionally trying to hide from us. On purpose.

(Plus omgus/crossbussing )

[camn]

I'm too tired to squirm.
I'm on the night shift till Monday.
Maybe next week I can squirm?

PS..Hi CKD. I haven't seen you in a million years! Elyse, too.

[camn]

D) lies about his Alt status.

[camn]

Alright.. You trolling us aside...

Profile-->edit avatar.
Please put something up. Anything. Please!

[camn]

Catching up notes. Im off nights next week- Ill be more normal.

Oh crap, forgot about this game. Yeah, overgamed and overstressed.
For the lolz. I seriously have read nothing.

Just a note- This guy posted this on PAGE TWO. Its not that hard to catch up on PAGE TWO. He is setting low expectations... which is setting up excuses.

I'm reaffirming my Zulfy vote. His quicklynch thing was playful, but I could see it as scum testing the water, seeing if there were some people in this game foolhardy enough to actually pile on and set up a legitimate quicklynch.

+1

camns entry was a overdone, but I'm willing to wait until she has time to squirm properly.

SOMEBODY wants to build a crapcase on me.

-------------------BUT WAIT WE CAUGHT SCUM--------------

Also, im noy a noob, I have been playing for a year and a half on another site ;/

This actually reinforces my NOT RANDOM vote. You have played before. You know the unspoken rules of mafia- but still no avatar. Why? You are Hiding yourself from us. Scum do that more than town.

Spoiler: Hey! Hey! Guys! >THIS< is Squirming!!

One, that was a joke, two, it was about him not believing im not an alt.
What the fuck are you trying to do.

pushing a case on joke-post 26? Why would you do that?

but seriously, we were in RVS, RVS is when you joke around, now its not RVS, so we arent joking around. Your taking something from RVS, implying it was serious, and pushing me based on that.

And I dident want to keep joking. There was nothing done that I could use to take us out of rvs.

Oi, and my elyse vote wasent serious, we were in rvs until your decent-sized post. My vote was before that so it was a rvs vote.

(the whole case on me is based on a rvs post made near the end of RVS, and im being called out for extending it when 5 ppl made RVS posts after me)

don't understand how it convinced 3 other ppl

Cowbells- why the coaching in 101? This is some solid gold legit squirming we are seeing here. I love it. That said- I'm with you on tictac. He just wants any old crapcase, and will take what he can get. So lets see whats going on there...I'll come back to Random.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: TICTAC

Zulfy and I are agreeing on some things.

Pinging me as nervousness +1

[camn]

Your other site is avatar-free?

[camn]

Also, jesus newb game, if you highlight the part of a post you wanna quote BEFORE you hit quote.. it will only quote that part.

[camn]

I see.
Well, you should have one here. Please.

And your squirmiess was scummy.....but I will move on if you do the right thing NOW.

[camn]

Im very visual, and I group my impression of a player in my mind based on the picture of them. I'm not the only one. People with no avatar turn into a blur in my memory.

I am also against people changing their avatar mid-game.

[camn]

Are you not suspicious that we could be scum partners based on that coaching?

I am baseline suspicious, but based on our one game together, it would be too obvious.

[camn]

@cowbell
Maybe? Seems dumb, though.

Also... Your scumreads on me? It's just your fear speaking. You are terrified that I'm scum and will fool you again. Or YOU are scum and you know I will ruin your entire scum empire, and you are hellbent on a mislynch because you know tictac will be on you like white on rice if you nightkill me like you wanna.

One or the other?

[camn]

Fine, you convinced me.
Your coaching is scummy, not stupid.

[camn]

File it away. Keep watching.
Tictac's nonsense is scummier, and if you wanna bus your partner, I won't stop you.

[camn]

Why did you say tictac will be on RC like white rice if he NKs you if you think tictac is scum with RC?

This early? All possibilities are possible

[camn]

Shoot I thought I was the one claiming Cop...

[camn]

Well that's fucking crazy-pants.

[camn]

/yawn.

ITT Cowbells keeps repeating " camn might be scum", and all other players are forgotten.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: UpTooLate

Why?
Check the ISO.

[camn]

Did you check it, CKD?

[camn]

"Happy to be ignored" comes to mind.
"How little can I add to this game" is another thought.

[camn]

who here do you supposed will "read the iso"?

Anyone who is interested in finding scum?

Lets be real tho- pressure votes are pressure votes.
I gotta get back to bussing

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Tictac

It's like every game you need to put on a song and dance and then wonder why people aren't listening to you.

SO TRUE. But I am with Elyse. LolJester is annoying regardless of alignment. I have played with guys like them before.. and although that playstyle is frustrating to read, its not a scumtell. And I think we aren't ready for a Cowbells policy lynch yet.


RandomPlayer- The longer you go without an avatar, the scummier you are, since now you know we hate it. Just now I missed a post of yours because of it, especially easy given your short, vapid, meaningless posts. Should I wear my glasses more? Yes. But I asked nicely! A blank color would be fine. ANYTHING to break up the space when I am scrolling.

[camn]

wait your serious about the avatar?

You, my friend, are clearly just looking for a lynch, any lynch

I'm not pushing your Lynch for this, though.
Page one, sure. Now, no.


HOWEVER
It disturbs my reading/grouping/interpretation when there isn't a picture next to a post, and I am totally serious that I would like you to put something up.

What is scummy is that you won't actually do it.
I am telling you it makes it easier for me to get reads and keep track of the game when the physical posts are more organized... And you won't do it.
Why? What possible incentive do you have to NOT have something there?
The longer that is blank... The more clear it is that you actually are trying to confuse/obfuscate/deceive.

[camn]

@tictac
Never heard of Ika, I don't think... But you feel different than our last game, and Id like to see you squirm.
Plus your heat on me is total crapcasery, so you suck.

[camn]

Also, forgive my 'filler', whoever said that.
I was on a run of night shifts, and I don't think well when that happens. But I don't like to just lurk like a lurky lurkerson when I have shit going on....so I post. Is it more shallow than I'd like? Probably.
Should be back to normal now.
Which may also be pretty shallow, cuz its day one and .. Hey look something shiny!

[camn]

Please. The replacing is why you were glorious town then, and scum now?
I don't think so.

Other people need pressure too..you can't take all my attention.

[camn]

Of course, I replaced into that game too.
Hmm.

[camn]

I did get a little tired, but no.

You wanna know the truth?
I enjoyed playing with you and Cowbells last time, although I hated being scum against you. The deception kills me. So, coming into this game, I was hoping we would be in the same team. I still am! But this time around, being town, I totally am unsure if YOU guys are town, so you need to be tested.

At this point in the game I'm not sure of anything.... But I want to be.


Post-edit...Hi Cowbells
That post is for tictac.

[camn]

ITT Cowbells keeps repeating " camn might be scum", and all other players are forgotten.

[camn]

I am actually starting to worry that we are paying too much attention to each other, and leaving everyone else out.

[camn]

I'll preemptively let everyone know that I'm an indecisive person, so changes in my reads should be considered null tells.

Huh.

[camn]

So, coming into this game, I was hoping we would be in the same team. I still am!

so you mean, you know your on the same team as tictac?

*you're

[camn]

That's a real question?

[camn]

Alright, its time to find tictacs partner. Ima put this down now while I have the time.
Prediction: if I actually get run up today, it will be 2 scum in the wagon, 1 or 2 off.
So lets predict. I'll start with the bottom half- they tend to get neglected.

Is it Zulfy?
I like his entry into the game actually. I don't mind the light hearted talk about chaining lynches... I think maybe I haven't caught up with the site meta yet... But to me if its too obvious, its not as scummy. He really has disappeared this last couple days though, which I want keep an eye on. Not sure..probably not tictacs partner.

Is it UpToLate?
Not enough info. Lurkerslot. Getting better.

Some random mafia player?
Maybe yes here!
My early vote was a thin, page one vote. Tictac piling on, and then the whole thing gets written off as "reaction testing" in 106 and 110. It sounds like tictac set that up in their scumchat.
And now this "lol I asked you if you were scum" nonsense... Too much distancing.

SirCakez?
This could DEFINATELY be one of tictacs off-wagon partners...maybe with the flip to on-wagon.
He just is too fixated on prompting tictac to give us a real case... Like if the wagon runs off he's ready to white-knight me. . but if it needs some help he is SO READY to "be convinced"

SilverWolf/Ika
Also to little meat here to say anything.

Cowbells?
I just think it would be so ironic and unlikely....its hard to consider at this stage in the game.

[camn]

Your face sucks.

[camn]

Indeed.

[camn]

scumread on camn for not even bothering to defend their post that acryon ripped into, especially considering that post has been their one worthwhile contribution in some time

Plus... How are you going to say my post was both worthwhile, and somehow needed defending?
Which is it?

[camn]

@ camn

I'll preemptively let everyone know that I'm an indecisive person, so changes in my reads should be considered null tells.

Huh.

I said that in hopes to minimize time wasted on town-on-town accusations.

No.. you said that in order to avoid heat for behavior you thought might be seen as scummy.
Though this quote is funny... did you consider SCUM accusations for you being indecisive? Or is it only townies that might attack you?

[camn]

Also- I don't care if it 'sucks'.. I like ISO'ing people when I don't have any fury inside of me. It helps me.
Is it weird looking for associatives on a theoretical tictac-scum? No. It's day 1 and I have no conf-players to look at.. so I play mental games of "what if".

That said, the top half:

Lokiben- Doesn't really interact with tictac at all. Expert distancing? Maybe. Probably not. Unlikely to be tictac's partner. Side note: although I get a little pile-on feeling from this guy on me.. I kind of agree with whoever said he was newb-town.

Elyse- Also no real interaction with Tictac. This is weird.. Probably just last-game carryover.. but it seems hard to AVOID talking with tictac or cowbells in this game.. but somehow Loki and Elyse have managed.
Anyway.. back to biz- Elyse I could see distancing this expertly, so no conclusions here. However, I TOTALLY agree with her on Cakez behavior.

curiouscarrmadog-
Huh.. There isn't much meat to these posts here. I can't remember if that is typical. Anyway- other than an early tictak RVS vote- again no real interaction. So meh. This top half is proving pretty boring.

acryon- Jesus is tictac even IN this game? No one talks to him. Not one mention here. See above for analysis.

a plain farmer- finally someone playing with the same people as I am.
I dont think he is partners with tictac. He jumps on the wagon, but doesn't really push it with zeal.
On the other hand, the preemptively excusing himself thing is independently scummy.

That is all.

-------

So look, acryon (if that is your real name!)- Maybe it doen't help YOU when I run some isos- but it helps ME.
Enough for this:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SirCakez

Why?
a) Elyse is right about him. I ALSO implore people to look at his ISO.
b) I am also right about him. His weird repetitive questions about the 'case' on me.. and then bussing tictac for it, but saying he is just wagoning? Scummy. He certainly had been pestering my wagon enough to vote tictac on real grounds.. but instead we got this:

I'll sheep RC onto this since SRMP wagon is dead
VOTE: tictac

And a scumflip here would go a long way to re-affirming my tictac-scumread.. so good.

[camn]

Zulfy why are you still voting camn?

I'm actually pretty sure Camn is scum ..... ....I think she's actually just scum again here.

I don't see this at all. Explain?

Can someone explain the case on camn to me? I'm not seeing it.

I have no intention of ever voting camn as of right now because I don't see anything scummy from them.

Yeah, I really don't like Sircakez either.
I think my Camn read is a much stronger line though.
Could easily see them as buddies, as well!

Explain?

I asked exactly once about the case on you

[camn]

Why are you townreading tictac?

What happened to Loki-scum?

Does Zulfy usually dodge games this much? .

"Please please can't we Lynch anyone but me? Please!! ANYONE BUT ME!!". -cakez

[camn]

Answered when I voted you.

Next attempt at distraction?

[camn]

You're confbiasing or scum.

Don't really know what that means. Confbias.
If you wanna talk in words, I'm game. I'm not actually "impossible to talk to".

[camn]

ME TOO!

But Cakez..i know what a confirmation bias IS. but how does me having having it indicate that you are town? Because I think that, OBJECTIVELY, your reactions are scummy. From a 'normal perspective'. But more importantly... The things that led UP TO this wagon were scummy. I had no conf bias then. I had no opinion at all. Then your little lie about 'exactly one time'. That was scummy, too. From a normal perspective.

And anyway... When you say 'confbias or scum'.. Are you not simply attacking your accuser rather than the argument...? (which also has a fancy name if we are gonna use debate terms).

Why don't you just tell us who your partners are?

[camn]

Did you look back at my post when I voted you?

Because a useless question about something I already addressed? That's a distraction. From any perspective.
And if you didn't even bother to look back? That's because the answer is not relevant to you. Because you already know who the scumteam is.

So...did you?

[camn]

One at a time, grasshopper. One at a time.

[camn]

Ands its confbias of my confbias to hold onto me blowing off your tictac question when you just didn't notice it.

[camn]

Meta confbias. Confbias^2.

[camn]

Why aren't you pressuring him if you think he needs more pressure?

I personally think I have fucking mind control over tictac and I will be able to clearly see his alignment soon enough. He's no lurker.. He will show his hand.
But you? What's your excuse?

[camn]

Why is RC/Cakez a thing?

Its not. TICTAC/Cakez is a thing.

[camn]

An ika wagon would also be great since he's done absolutely nothing in days except drop a terrible RC vote and leave.

Hey look! Cakez threw enough shit at the wall.. and finally something stuck!

Not that I am against an Ika wagon.
Meta arguments are often correct, and I love me a lurkerlynch any day of the week.
That said...I probably wouldn't have totally sheeped Elyse if I had been around today.. BUT when I read THIS fucking passage of posts..... I am baffled.

this is intrresting

What's interesting about it? You're lurking out and got wagoned for it.

I wasn't referring to my wagon. I was referring to the vc before.

[camn checks out votecount]

VOTE COUNT 1.09

SirCakez (4): curiouskarmadog, Camn, a plain farmer, RadiantCowbells
RadiantCowbells (3): ika, acryon, UpTooLate
ika (2): Elyse, tictac
tictac (1): SirCakez
Elyse (1): Lokiben

No Vote (2): Zulfy, Some Random Mafia Player

no answers here, friends. Whats next?

Hey elese who else said it? I would love to hear about this.

[camn tries to figure out wtf this is....]
maybe...

Olympian Gods Mafia (which I modded), Taylor Swift Mafia, other people have said this - it's a known thing

then

Here is at least one scum in rc/cakes

There

Like....

THAT

is this guy's defense?

THAT ?

I would drop a vote for pile-on PLUS the scumminess of the above if I thought he wasn't lynched already. Lemme count.

ika (5): Elyse, tictac, uptoolate, SRMP, SirCakez
With 13 players alive, it takes 7/13 votes to lynch.

Shoot- I'm fine with L-1. tictac/cakez/ika/(+-)SRMP scumteam? Maybe.
Lemme check Ika's activity
right quick:
Blue is THIS GAME

Spoiler: TODAY

Fri Feb 05, 2016 9:30 am
Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:16 am
Fri Feb 05, 2016 11:57 am
Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:52 pm

Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:53 pm
Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:08 pm
Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:09 pm
Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:12 pm

Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:36 pm

<--- hm. Posted a different game and didn't bother to come post here?

Spoiler: YESTERDAY, tons of posts elsewhere. He wanted to stay away fromt he Cakez wagon, no?

Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:02 pm
Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:00 pm
Thu Feb 04, 2016 7:19 pm
Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:26 pm
Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:25 pm
Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:14 pm
Thu Feb 04, 2016 4:59 pm
Thu Feb 04, 2016 4:53 pm
Thu Feb 04, 2016 4:52 pm
Thu Feb 04, 2016 4:48 pm
Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:21 pm
Thu Feb 04, 2016 2:17 pm
2:13 pm
2:09 pm
2:08 pm
202
158
157
156
152
148

jesus fucksticks there are DOZENs and dozens more.. With NO posts here. 53 in total.

Two days ago?
ONE post here.. with no content. About 20 elsewhere...
Christ.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Ika

Hey Ika- you need to get in here. Post or Perish.


-----
PS- Loki, you are unintelligible. That post about my iso sucking? That shiz is beneath me. The so-called criticism was a joke, and i dont care what he thinks. As such, my logic was fine, Mr. Man.

[camn]

Its like he was mad at somebody for telling Elyse is scumtell.

[camn]

*HIS scumtell

[camn]

I've been consistently scumreading Ika for days now Camn, don't act like I just pulled the read out of nowhere.

Can you cite this?
Which posts of yours were you pressuring/attacking/hunting Ika?
Please show us.
Especially before the Elyse wagon encouraged you to buss?

[camn]

Oh wait, I found it.

Sorry...missed it on my first pass of your ISO.... Since its so small.

[camn]

And buildup?

That's called actually reading and processing the game, scum.

[camn]

If it's a girls scumday, you gotta back her play.

VOTE: SirCakez

For reasons clearly explained yesterday.

[camn]

My dear townies, Cakez was pretty quick to jump on the Ika wagon himself...then even quicker to scold other people for hammering/wagoning/etc.
I thought it was a righteous lurkerwagon...that maybe could have sat at L-1 a bit longer...but sometimes you break some eggs.
The speed, tho? There was probably some scum on there. Named Cakez, for one.

I also am interested in this point Tictac raises, however.

[camn]

I agree tictac.. What do you think about Cakez immediately going after people on the wagon tho?
Not just yourself, but also Elyse, Farmer AND SRMP.

That's a lot of shit-slinging for a wagon on someone he allegedly was scumreading, no?

[camn]

Same townstrategy as always, RC....find the scumz...Lynch them if you can... But be sure to buddy one until he has bussed all his partners....then burn him down and ruin his plans.

[camn]

SRMP..will you please put something up as an avatar? Please?
It is fucking distracting and confusing.

In fact:

ULTIMATUM

: Srmp please put am avatar up, or I am replacing out. Do it today. Please.

[camn]

Yes.

[camn]

It's not a gambit. It's not alignment indictaive.
It's not a hard thing for him to do.
It makes it hard for me to read the thread, and he knows it.
It's just him being shitty.
Plus its annoying that I am constantly confused as to who is posting, and I can't take another page of it.

[camn]

Thank you SRMP.

Cowbells... I thought we were gonna be a power town voting bloc? What happen?
In re: CKD.. He certainly seems more present this day. I'm not sure he is really pinging my scumdar, though... Which, despite my lies last game is actually pretty decent. So I think town on his slot.

Cakez is scum. I am really trying to look at my self and see if I am confbiasing him... But I just see scumotivation in every second of him.
Farmer as his partner? Maybe?
And then there is the enigma of tictac. He is just so hard-analytical...which I think, for ME, is too much work for scum. But then objectively I think how easy to fake, right?

But that is really my scum group.
Cakez. Farmer. Tictac.

[camn]

ITT Cowbells keeps repeating " camn might be scum", and all other players are forgotten

Actually all other players are no longer forgotten...so that's good.

[camn]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: curiouskarmadog

Shut up Cakez.

[camn]

Agreed.
Im not buying that pile of mason crap.

[camn]

The CKD I know doesn't softclaim as town. Period.

[camn]

Orly.

[camn]

If I were scum, and I saw that shit between you and RC, I would nightkill you both. You softclaimed.

[camn]

no i understand exactly what you're doing, I assure you.

this statement frustrates the fuck out of me right now, because clearly you dont. but I cant explain why because that would be anti-town.

Elyse, can you help me out here please.

This is not a newbie game, and you aren't some rookie. This shit is intentional.
The only question is if you and RC are partners and planned this.

[camn]

And yes, Cakez. You are out of your depth.
I'm surprised CKD didn't tell you this was going to happen.

[camn]

CKD is caught scum. I'll explain tomorrow...but I gotta go to bed right now.
Look at the posts again if you don't understand.

[camn]

Please, CKD. You might have fooled me with that in 2009. But not now.

[camn]

Where is everyone?
Well.. I got a late start, too.
Reads- then I'm off to work.

1. Zulfy
4. Elyse
5. UpTooLate
11. Lokiben

ProbTown

6. Curiouskarmadog

confscum

12. SirCakez

Likely Scum

7. tictac

Probscum... but I am waffling.

8. RadiantCowbells

Likely probtown, but gambiting scum is not impossible. But I think Town

13. a plain farmer
10. Some Random Mafia Player

One scum in these two, given RC and Tictac both town.

---------

Lets see a CKD lynch. I hate long days when we have obvscum staring at us.

[camn]

Listen tictac- CKD is an experienced player. He was softclaiming investigative, which I would buy from a newbie....but he knows as well as anyone that softclaims are scummy.
Now he is full claiming, and it is horeshit.
I still wanna Lynch him.

Let's.

You saw in our newbie....a softclaiming is an obvious thing. Which CKD knows. He was setting up this 'claim'.

He is scum. There are no masons.

[camn]

YOU said you softclaims masons.
I said nothing.
Your ploys are obvious.

[camn]

ITT Cowbells keeps repeating " camn might be scum", and all other players are forgotten

Your tunneling is ridiculous.

[camn]

And I also can't believe you are letting CKD softclaim and then walk away.
You really think that CKD pulls a power role ( I figured he was softclaiming Cop, tbh) and then drops super obvious hints about it to you in thread? No way. This is all a setup, and he should hang.

[camn]

Especially since I'm town and CKD is scum.

[camn]

Cowbells...no change from my last list.
CKD...you pretend to misunderstand. My referencing you and Cowbells as partners is SCUM partners, of course. Which is a setup I kind of doubt.
When you were spouting "its anti-town for me to explain"... That's a softclaim. You know it. I know it. There are no masons. You are no tracker. You were hoping Cowbells would buy your softclaim and back off. You failed.

Incidentally, Cowbells is no cop, either.

[camn]

Camn why are you speculating on who might be a cop?

Let me explain it to you and SRMP, so CKD doesn't squirm out of this.

CKD dropped an obvious investigative soft-claim.
Here they are:

Spoiler: CKDs softclaims

think that out a bit, I would love to explain why you are wrong, but it is not very protown for me to do so at this point in the game. all I asked you to do, was stop doing what you were doing. figure out why.

this statement frustrates the fuck out of me right now, because clearly you dont. but I cant explain why because that would be anti-town.

@SRMP-
If CKD was newb-town, and I was scum... I would kill him for it and score a PR kill- assuming he was a cop with an innocent on RC. I would laugh that he accidentally outed himself. But he is NOT a newbie, and I am NOT scum.... he is quite experienced and sharp. This was no accident- he was intentionally TRYING to lead the town to believe he was an investigative role. Its a classic move- hinting that you know something secret, but you can't tell cuz the scumz~!
Then, of course...instead of RC saying "oh golly my bad"... CKD caught a bunch of votes.
Again- he isnt dumb... he knew that there was no fucking way we were going to let him weasel out here... so he started in on all that mason stuff (which is crap), and then finally dropped his 'tracker' claim.. which is just a more nuanced cop claim.

Its all horseshit. CKD doesn't do things on accident. Either he is scum, or his little sister has been posting under his account.

[camn]

Any experienced player who is talking about "

I can't discuss that because that would be anti-town

" is full of shit.

If it is anti-town to talk about it..

YOU DONT TALK ABOUT IT

. If you are talking about it.. you are committing the anti-town infraction you are using as your excuse.
CKD knows this. The

only

reason to DO it is to float a softclaim as scum, and hope that people let you off the hook.

@Cakez: Im scumreading him for using a scum strategy.
Crumbing cop in a game with these players is suicide, given the real possibility of experienced scum
You crumb your RESULTS, and when you are dead or you FULLclaim people go back and find them. And listen-

CKD KNOWS THIS

.
It is not a legit town strategy.
Thus- he is scum. QED.

[camn]

Except the Mason stuff was all horseshit cover-up.

[camn]

Plus...even if he WAS talking about masons....how do you find masons? By investigating them and getting a guilty.

[camn]

actually can be read as a cop soft "I am town and I know he is town". This is not what camn meant, I don't think, or she would have said so.

No..this is exactly how I read the whole exchange.

[camn]

actually can be read as a cop soft "I am town and I know he is town". This is not what camn meant, I don't think, or she would have said so.

No..this is exactly how I read the whole exchange.

Then, why not include 770 when you were listing softs in 840?
The stuff you posted doesn't look like softing.

It does to me. It was as clear as could be.
By the time 770 came CKD was conf in my veiw. It did not prompt this case.

[camn]

Plus...he has since HARDCLAIMED.
So any previous shenanigans were certainly him crumbing, and not any Mason nonsense.

[camn]

Meh. Today is full of shit that I don't believe.
There are no masons.
RC is no cop.
CKD is no tracker.

[camn]

This doesn't follow at all

It's like...I think he was softing investigative..... He claims he was talking about masons.... But he ended up hardclaiming investigative. Which was entirely unsurprising to me, since that what he was setting up the whole time

Also. HOW THE FUCK ARE WE LETTING CKD OFF THE HOOK HERE?

[camn]

See, UpToLate, that reasoning would let CKD of the hook if I didn't know him like I do. And you are not the first person to tell me not to be so mysterious

And Cowbells...I voted as soon as CKD rung the scum-gong by saying "it would be anti-town". I thought you were seeing it, but maybe you were just being lol.

[camn]

Sometimes when I see a little scumtell, and leave a lot of room for squirming, the scumz blow up and tell us everything. Additionally, the way that people do or do not jump on wagons also is rich for info later in the game.
Plus, even I am wrong sometimes, and in that case pointing out a softclaim is suboptimal. But I'm not wrong this time.

[camn]

How does RCs claim change anything?
It's not even real.

[camn]

Camn, what are your thoughts on Sircakez?

Still scum.

[camn]

He isn't a cop.
I'm with tictac on this.

[camn]

He also isn't Orphan Annie. That was nonsense too.

Just to clear things up.

[camn]

Huh. I hadn't actually read that.
Looks like RC as Jester is explicitly prohibited.

[camn]

ITT Cowbells keeps repeating " camn might be scum", and all other players are forgotten

[camn]

Please don't lynch camn. This is the scummiest wagon of the game so far.

Agreed.

I am a 1-shot bulletproof townie.
No great loss lynching me, since I seriously doubt I would be absorbing any nightkills in this game :/
My reads are apparent.

[camn]

Finally, I am free.

[camn]

Ha ha.. Good game town. I thought I bussed hard enough, but nope.

[camn]

I fell hard for camn in the first two days

That happens to everyone

[camn]

I do. Mini theme queue. Next.

[camn]

Done.