Mini 1777: Varied Music Mafia: Finale

[Aristophanes]

Vote: SnarkySnowman

At least give a stupid reason for your vote!

VOTE: Kitty
Is your stupid reason for your vote that he didn't provide a stupid reason for his?

That's stupid!

[Aristophanes]

Oh hey-wait, an actual RVS scumtell

UNVOTE:
VOTE: deathrowkitty

I actually modkill for not having an avatar now.
The worse my eyes get, the more annoying it is.

Modkill or Policy Lynch?

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: SS

Wagoning purposes.

Also FoS on RC. You kept the thread locked long enough for scum to get acquainted to eachother in their QT.

Do you know something we don't?

Ninja'd.

[Aristophanes]

I have outgrown policy lynches.
But an avatar is in my new mod ruleset.

Here? DRK has been here long enough to understand the subtle slipping under the radar that you get out of not having an avatar. You get a little more ignored. Your posts a little blurred with the player above you.

She knows.

Cool.
Is the lack of Avatar your "actual RVS scumtell?"

[Aristophanes]

Yep. Not, like, super 100%...but good enough for page 1.

And for clarity... I haven't outgrown LURKERlynches. I will always love that

They never go out if style!
I know, as I am on the receiving end sometimes...lol

[Aristophanes]

Do you know something we don't?

I might. Like, if you haven't read the rules.. the mafia QT is open during the day, so.. yeah.. they probably got to talk in private while we were still locked out bc RC forgot to unlock this thread.

Oh.

I rescind that line of questioning then.

[Aristophanes]

@camn: To be fair, I have never before heard the point you make about avatars. I understand and agree, but it's not something obvious that you can expect someone to know just by being a veteran.

VOTE: Aristophanes
His participation is mostly responding to others with short questions or meaningless comments, which is more characteristic of scum (it's what I do as scum when I lack energy or motivation). Even when he calls out Almost50 for potentially having "scumknowlege", he doesn't move his vote to match.

It's earlygame. What kind of posts would you like me to be making?

I don't have anything to pursue yet.
I thought perhaps with 50, but it turns out I should just read the rules. Why would a vote have been appropriate? I was asking a question, the answer to which would tell me whether to vote or not.

[Aristophanes]

@camn: To be fair, I have never before heard the point you make about avatars. I understand and agree, but it's not something obvious that you can expect someone to know just by being a veteran.

VOTE: Aristophanes
His participation is mostly responding to others with short questions or meaningless comments, which is more characteristic of scum (it's what I do as scum when I lack energy or motivation). Even when he calls out Almost50 for potentially having "scumknowlege", he doesn't move his vote to match.

VOTE: Thurhame

Aw thanks! <3

But why?

[Aristophanes]

This game is all just noise to me right now.
I don't know what to do, and none of these words are interesting..

Who is the miller? Do we lynch them D2 if they are not vigged? (Protip: the correct answer is "yes")

UNVOTE, VOTE THUR

I had a heart attack when I thought I was playing with Kain again :S

Don't do this shit to me!!!

[Aristophanes]

God you are scummy.

Like, I guess if you just want everyone lynched except you and your partner... Then lynching someone just for claiming Miller, independent of any actual scumminess or anything.. That makes sense. If you just want the whole town dead.

So you want to leave a claimed miller alive until Lylo? Then have the wine of that claim lead to a mislynch??

I say D2 because is is the time when it hurts is least. D3 at the latest.
Any later and we run the risk of throwing the game due to the claim.

So no I'm not making a scummy play, I'm asking for a Vig on that slot, and a lynch if it does not occur. This is simple policy. I don't even remember who claimed it. (Yes, I can look back but it changes nothing.)

Tell me why this is a bad play. I will argue it.

[Aristophanes]

Right. Because it's a really good idea to lynch someone less than 48 hours into our first Day, instead of using most of the it to gather more information and reads and then lynching.

Speaking of which, I got the reaction I wanted from camn. Aristophanes, on the other hand, is still scummy; he's only added a see-i'm-not-lurking post that's completely useless. A mafia thread is mostly noise, get used to it. If you ever want to be a good mafia player, you need to start searching through the noise for those nuggets of true feels that let you make reads.
UNVOTE: camn
VOTE: Aristophanes

p-edit: Miller claim is meaningless. Treat it just like a non-claim.

I know how to play Mafia. All I'm saying is I have done 0 sorting yet. I've been away most of this, and on a quick skim, found nothing interesting.

Miller is treated as a non-claim?? Since when!?
I, for one, will not be doing so.

[Aristophanes]

I don't chase the cop, but I also don't let miller's into Lylo. I can see were gonna disagree on theory this game. Oh well.

[Aristophanes]

P.P.S. Can anyone tell me whether I'm supposed to reveal the other members of the neighborhood too, or leave them anonymous?

I don't think it's necessary. Up to you though

[Aristophanes]

Jesus Kats-. You are so right about how many people need to die.

Lol why am I always included in these lists! Haha

[Aristophanes]

Mfw do you want me to defend you or not?

Katsuki feels town the more I look at their posts, unfortunately. Really wish they could get lynched, so I wouldn't have to listen to their shit. Same for Camn. Both probably town. Katsuki's association with Ircher is notable, too.

Ircher rubs me the wrong way. He's probably scum. VOTE: Ircher

What, of their posts, rubs you the wrong way?
They're nulltown to me.

[Aristophanes]

No definitive stances, on scumreads, very passive, not contributing at all.

Trying to get into the game still mayhap?
Bummed at having to claim, his fate mused by us all, our views tainted by it?

I could see both being the case here.

[Aristophanes]

Holy shit guts.

Iran is prolly town. Based on recent posts.

I am out and drunk, but can respond. What would you like me to respond to? I haven't really seen much pressure my way until now.

[Aristophanes]

Guts = guys

I guess nothing was pressing enough to actually bring up?
It's not like I got here hours later or anything.

But whatever. I'll scumhunt soon.

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Katsuki

Because...?

[Aristophanes]

You disagree with my vote?

Not entirely, no.
But I am a suckered for a well phrased argument!

[Aristophanes]

We did have an awful lot of time left...
But I don't think a quickhammer necessarily means scum.

Caused KTS to die indirectly?
Either this is theory time or you're just saying whatever you can to win my vote.

[Aristophanes]

On a related note, I disagree with your vote, namely that it is not on Katsuki.

How can you disagree with something that is nonexistent (my vote atm)?

Also, does this mean everyone should vote him in their first posts?

[Aristophanes]

We did have an awful lot of time left...
But I don't think a quickhammer necessarily means scum.

Does it mean scum in this case?

Furthermore, does it even matter?

Caused KTS to die indirectly?
Either this is theory time or you're just saying whatever you can to win my vote.

I thought it was a vig shot but as I was typing this it occured to me that it was probably an SK. But still, if Katsuki never quickhammered Ircher then someone different may have been nightkilled, sorta like the Butterfly Effect.

Indeed it does matter!
I'll have to read him again to see if it applies in this situation.

Butterfly effect, eh?
I mean I can't disagree, but it's not something I'd put stick into as a damning case...

On a related note, I disagree with your vote, namely that it is not on Katsuki.

How can you disagree with something that is nonexistent (my vote atm)?

It does exist! Just look on the vote count, it's right there next to "Not Voting".

Also, does this mean everyone should vote him in their first posts?

Mhm.

I'll concede the first point, in that my vote exists even without having been placed. This is despite the urge to philosophy at you.

However, your second point means you wish to quicklynch someone because they quickhammered, which is just Lol worthy!

[Aristophanes]

That's fair! And the last bit would be hilariously horrible if true lol

[Aristophanes]

To whomever suggested T. Swift:
<3

[Aristophanes]

That's an impressive nonanswer to a question which has little relevance to the game past theory talk.

Posts this page are top tier!

Man, we're so good!
(I'm gonna be doing shit after work, but where is the scumhunting from everyone??

[Aristophanes]

GalFawkes has me buys with Easter stuff. Will try to get on later.

Cute!

Happy Easter! Hope it is great!

[Aristophanes]

There is totally relevance.

Scum love pushing a righteous mislynch.
It is something I strive to find as scum... A good reason to Lynch a townie and avoid any heat for it.

On the other hand, as town I strive to parse out my own feelings in issues like this- is the behaviour itself scummy... Or is hindsight 20/20? That's how we actually find scum.

All that said...I am distracted and on my phone and will try and actually find the scum after the weekend

I can get in agreement here. You're down as town atm anyway.
Thought process here helps that solidify

[Aristophanes]

Are you buddying me?

I don't think so...
I do get more comfortable with people once they are town in my books though.

[Aristophanes]

That's an impressive nonanswer to a question which has little relevance to the game past theory talk.

So... you think he's scum-aligned? That would be a first.

Merely commantary.
Do you think it's got anything to do with alignment?

[Aristophanes]

This place

is

a wasteland full of crickets.

EVERYONE-

Next post: top scum suspect.

me: Almost50

rereading again once I gather home. Then I shall do this.

[Aristophanes]

Show me someone who IS doing something in this game, including yourself. EVERYONE is waiting for someone else to make their move, and I can't get a single scum read thus far. Nobody stands out as scum and nobody is making an argument I could comment on. Lynch me for all I care.

Defense? I'm not going to defend myself. I AM lurking, for lack of any better options. If I do anything in this game status I'd look like I'm trying too hard. Damned if you do; damned it you don't. I'm just taking the easy route of being damned for NOT trying.

This eeally sucks.
I'd love for a bit of scumhunting from you! Giving up is antitown, especially when it is unnecessary!
I beg of you to do something!

[Aristophanes]

Then you need rope.

not as much as snarky does

But why?
(I should iso to see if there's a case from you..)

[Aristophanes]

Katsuki is still my best scumread - and not just for the quicklynch; I was scumreading (and voting) him before that as well. But since it looks like half the town disagrees with that, I'm willing to settle for Almost50.

There are two reasons Almost50 seems scummy to me. One is the way he hopped on the end of my wagon specifically to "get a claim," and hopped off the moment I did claim. The other is this slip:

Also FoS on RC. You kept the thread locked long enough for scum to get acquainted to eachother in their QT.

The mafia QT is open during the day, so.. yeah.. they probably got to talk in private while we were still locked out bc RC forgot to unlock this thread.

A normal person who thought RC forgot to unlock the thread would assume he was running late - in which case the scum QT would have still been locked too. But Almost50 knew it was only the main thread that RC "forgot", implying that he has access to some quicktopic. At first I assumed he might be a Neighbor like me but in a different neighborhood (the fact that my neighborhood has a specific name made me think it might not be the only one); however, with three non-neighbor flips a second neighborhood seems unlikely. So he's probably one of the Mafia.

VOTE: Almost50

I kinda agree, as I had mentioned previously. However, if the scum get pregame chatter, their pt would be open already and require no mod action to have that occur.

Unsure if a slip, but I am still wary of it. You do raise a good point about the intentions behind it.

[Aristophanes]

Then you need rope.

not as much as snarky does

But why?
(I should iso to see if there's a case from you..)

snarky's ISO is my case

Ah!
Then ISO him I shall!

[Aristophanes]

Show me someone who IS doing something in this game, including yourself. EVERYONE is waiting for someone else to make their move, and I can't get a single scum read thus far. Nobody stands out as scum and nobody is making an argument I could comment on. Lynch me for all I care.

Defense? I'm not going to defend myself. I AM lurking, for lack of any better options. If I do anything in this game status I'd look like I'm trying too hard. Damned if you do; damned it you don't. I'm just taking the easy route of being damned for NOT trying.

This eeally sucks.
I'd love for a bit of scumhunting from you! Giving up is antitown, especially when it is unnecessary!
I beg of you to do something!

Do you think Almost50 is likely to be scum-aligned? You've done absolutely nothing yourself, I remind you.

I realize this.

When people give up rather than scumhunt when on the block, intake it as a scumclaim. So at the moment, yes, I believe it possible. However I still have to reacquainted myself with things here and will have a fuller response soon. I must also read the post directly after the quoted one still, which may change things.

[Aristophanes]

So you're saying that since SnarkySnowman is also lurking, he should understand your point?

No. I really didn't want to explain, but ... ok..

Snarky's the only one on the list who has played with me before. Even better, he played with me as both scum & town. When I act like I don't care top get lynched it means I'm a VT. I always think that lynching a VT is better than lynching a PR. I do acknowledge that lynching scum is even better, but let's face it: You guys are moving in circles and don't know what you're doing. There's no one person standing out as obv.scum for the whole town to vote. We are thus likely to lynch one of our own.

When I'm acting more careful though I could either be scum or a PR myself. My play as a PR is very much like my play as scum. As a VT I stand out and -while I'm working on it- I can't help but be more at ease, more sarcastic, more careless.. etc.

So, there. I am a VT, and I would have preferred to eat the rope or get NK'd over losing a PR, but the way you're acting (you as in plural you) it looks like my death will be in vain anyway.

Have you ever heard that the acknowledgement of one's meta renders that meta null?

[Aristophanes]

It's not "meta" as in something you do inadvertently or subconsciously. It is an established way of playing. I DO get myself lynched if it's going to stop the lynch of a PR... intentionally. Of course, it is null NOW bc I did explain it to you all. Before that, only Snarky should've picked up the signal.

^^
Pretty much what I was saying.

However, I wanted to see how you reacted to a push on this point.
I think that original post is fairly towny in intent.

[Aristophanes]

It's not "meta" as in something you do inadvertently or subconsciously. It is an established way of playing. I DO get myself lynched if it's going to stop the lynch of a PR... intentionally. Of course, it is null NOW bc I did explain it to you all. Before that, only Snarky should've picked up the signal.

^^
Pretty much what I was saying.

However, I wanted to see how you reacted to a push on this point.
I think that original post is fairly towny in intent.

Which original post are you referring to here?

So you're saying that since SnarkySnowman is also lurking, he should understand your point?

No. I really didn't want to explain, but ... ok..

Snarky's the only one on the list who has played with me before. Even better, he played with me as both scum & town. When I act like I don't care top get lynched it means I'm a VT. I always think that lynching a VT is better than lynching a PR. I do acknowledge that lynching scum is even better, but let's face it: You guys are moving in circles and don't know what you're doing. There's no one person standing out as obv.scum for the whole town to vote. We are thus likely to lynch one of our own.

When I'm acting more careful though I could either be scum or a PR myself. My play as a PR is very much like my play as scum. As a VT I stand out and -while I'm working on it- I can't help but be more at ease, more sarcastic, more careless.. etc.

So, there. I am a VT, and I would have preferred to eat the rope or get NK'd over losing a PR, but the way you're acting (you as in plural you) it looks like my death will be in vain anyway.

[Aristophanes]

So, there. I am a VT, and I would have

preferred to eat the rope

or get NK'd over losing a PR, but the way you're acting (you as in plural you) it looks like my death will be in vain anyway.

What? Soaking a NK is great as a VT but a lynch? How about going for a lynch on scum instead?

^^^
So much that!

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Aristophanes

Why plz

[Aristophanes]

The way that you join in on conversations just to make small remarks bothers me, e.g. 366, 411. I think that the tone of some of your posts is unnatural and forced, maybe. It looks to me as if you'd rather not do anything but make endearing posts about things that aren't really relevant to the game, to make yourself appear more relaxed (and, perhaps in some people's eyes, town-aligned).

I mean, you're not necessarily wrong, but I've just been off in Mafia lately.

I know, not a defence, but w/e.
I'm not scum. Neither are you. We should band together and snag real scumz!

[Aristophanes]

The way that you join in on conversations just to make small remarks bothers me, e.g. 366, 411. I think that the tone of some of your posts is unnatural and forced, maybe. It looks to me as if you'd rather not do anything but make endearing posts about things that aren't really relevant to the game, to make yourself appear more relaxed (and, perhaps in some people's eyes, town-aligned).

I mean, you're not necessarily wrong, but I've just been off in Mafia lately.

What does this mean, are you pleading guilty to all counts of Being Scum-aligned?

I know, not a defence, but w/e.
I'm not scum. Neither are you. We should band together and snag real scumz!

Such as who?

1. Nope, just recognizing that my style has weakened significantly lately and I am seeming objectively scummier than usual. I don't know why I'm sounding forced, but I am.

2. That's kinda what I'm hoping to figure out with you here. I don't have as much time as usual for this, so I'm curious, do you have a suggested starting point?
I am pretty sure you and camn are town, and I don't think lolhammer McGee is scum either. Past that I haven't got much atm.

[Aristophanes]

2. That's kinda what I'm hoping to figure out with you here. I don't have as much time as usual for this, so I'm curious, do you have a suggested starting point?

For what it is worth, this is what bothers me a little. It sounds like you don't want to scumhunt yourself.

I do. I just don't feel like I'm we grounded this game.

[Aristophanes]

more Aristophanes votes please.
This game needs some energy.
Clearly we are not talking our way into a scumlynch.. lets instinct our way in.
Even Aristophanes thinks he is scummy.

I want to read more but I feel like I could back that. Aristo thinking he's scummy objectively scummier in this game than usual gives me scumvibes.

Nah, just a playstyle observation.

[Aristophanes]

I'm sick atm sorry about infrequency of updates.

Feel better RC!!!

[Aristophanes]

Serious?

What am I? L-1 now?

This shit is lame.

[Aristophanes]

Cool.
I have no clue what the argument is against me, besides having not done much yet.
I'm better at late game, so I apologize for being weak so far.

Is there any other case against me yet? Because this is weak and makes it easy for scum to hide.

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Aristophanes

I do believe that's a hammer.

Lol what are you, triple voter?

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Aristophanes

VOTE: Aristophanes

VOTE: Aristophanes

I do believe that's a hammer.

Like,I'm dumb, but come on.

[Aristophanes]

I should hammer just to be safe...

Bring it.

[Aristophanes]

Maybe when you actually reach L1.

At least list intent and let me have final words first.

That's all I ask!

[Aristophanes]

Maybe when you actually reach L1.

At least list intent and let me have final words first.

That's all I ask!

Or better yet, let's lynch scum instead!

[Aristophanes]

Kats, who is scum besides THUR?

[Aristophanes]

I'm better at late game, so I apologize for being weak so far.

Let me slide until endgame guys! That's a good strategy!

Not what I'm saying.

Holy cow, I'm easily manipulated wording-wise. I should work on that.
What I'm saying is that I realize I have been weak, and though there is no excuse for it, I also know that I can sort data a lot better after more is present.
Yes, this can be said for most people, but it is something I need work on. That's all.

I'm far too meta this game and that's getting me scumread.

But I'm not asking for a free pass.

[Aristophanes]

What's with all the periods?

I assume it was a prodge.

Aristo, can you share your reads? You must have something.

I tried this before, and apparently he has absolutely nothing other than the unique ability to ask others for their reads, so he can agree with them.

I am rereading tonight.
How many times need I say this??

LETS LYNCH HIM THEN!

*sigh*
This is getting old.

[Aristophanes]

We're not lynching Aristo. We're lynching Thur, and that is final. *Said in RC's special tone*

Danke!

[Aristophanes]

It was my other game (which just ended and I don't have to put effort into now) :S
My apologies! I thought I had said it here as well!

I'll be out for a bit, but I have every intention of doing a full sorting on this game very soon. I had 4 games on the go yesterday, and only one as of today, so it now gets my full attention!

[Aristophanes]

On Pg 9 of my reread.
Thur/Archmage/Almost50 scumteam.

Will finish tomorrow as I'm falling asleep here (unless I get an every burst).

[Aristophanes]

Hey all just wanted to say I'm the SK.

Hahaha I don't know if this is real or not, but I like it!

[Aristophanes]

LETS LYNCH HIM THEN!

*sigh*
This is getting old.

Do Something then! This game is dragging like crazy.. and needs some life!

Thur/Archmage/Almost50 scumteam.

I could get with you on Almost50. That would be the one you are bussing of those 3.

Yeah, I know.
My apologies Camn. I'll be doing more soon, I swear!

Also, I prefer the other two, but each had a few posts I disliked, and thus I could get behind Almost 50 if you like!

[Aristophanes]

I'm better at late game, so I apologize for being weak so far.

Let me slide until endgame guys! That's a good strategy!

Not what I'm saying.

Holy cow, I'm easily manipulated wording-wise. I should work on that.
What I'm saying is that I realize I have been weak, and though there is no excuse for it, I also know that I can sort data a lot better after more is present.
Yes, this can be said for most people, but it is something I need work on. That's all.

I'm far too meta this game and that's getting me scumread.

But I'm not asking for a free pass

.

thats exactly what you are asking for or else you wouldn't have brought it up

VOTE: aristophanes

Sometimes I should just not talk.
But that's my scum meta so...
Fuck! XD

But really, of all the things to vote on, this is your choice?
Weak bro.

[Aristophanes]

Ok.

VOTE: Katsuki

Down for this.

VOTE: Katsuki

One of these should be scum.
Which one do you guys like the least?

[Aristophanes]

Aristo needs rope.

Yeah, I do.
So I can hang scum with it!

[Aristophanes]

jesus wept- the sense of humor alone is worth lynching for.

Oh come on! That was comedy gold! XD

[Aristophanes]

Aristophanes hasn't voted once yet since Day 2 began. Get your head in the game man!

That is what I intend to do.
Once I finish the reread I will be able to do so with accuracy I hope.
At the moment, one of the three I listed earlier would be my choice.

[Aristophanes]

So wait, nobody's going to lynch Katsuki for saying that they were the SK?

Nobody?

I mean, even if it is a joke, it's not presented in any context. That along with the lolhammer is something I think deserves a lynch, 100%. It's not town play.

Is it that scummy though?

Kats, we're you being serious?

[Aristophanes]

Good answer. I'll give you that.

[Aristophanes]

I'm cool with Kats sticking around for a bit tbh

[Aristophanes]

What makes you think I'm good?

IM SORRY I CANT HEAR YOU OVER ALL MY BEST TOWN AND SCUM PERFORMANCE SCUMMIES

[Aristophanes]

Lol I just remembered this is 10:2:1

Kats, you're aiming for scum with your shots right?
Who was your kill last night?

[Aristophanes]

Lol I just remembered this is 10:2:1

Kats, you're aiming for scum with your shots right?
Who was your kill last night?

Actually, I think I just answered my own question!
Hurray for Catchups! XD

[Aristophanes]

Spoiler: Reads

Confirmed Town

(From my perspective) (98%-100% Confidence)
Ircher  (100%) - Role PM

Likely Town

(85%-97% Confidence)
KTS (97%) - His initial scumread was genuine, and his post hammer reaction is also genuine. He had no way of knowing that I'd be lynched that quickly, and the thing I like most is that he admits he was wrong rather than trying to provide a ton of excuses.
Iran (92%) - The main thing here is the miller claim: sure, Mafia can fakeclaim it, but Iran just casually stated it which leads me to believe its valid.

Leaning Town

(60%-84% Confidence)
DRK (82%) - I see logical thought process here. I just haven't seen enough to push my opinion to the likely town side.
Camn (62%) - Gut suggests he town.

Null

(0% - 30% Confidence; No/Very Weak Read)
Archmage (0%) - Force this one to contribute more.
Snarky (0%) - This one too.
Aristo (+5%) - The wagon kinda makes me think town, but I really don't have anything here.
GuyFawkes (0%) - Also needs to contribute more
Dubbin (+10%) - Nothing has really stuck out here but the slot is also rather thin.

Neutral

(31%-59% Confidence; Mixed Read)
Almost50 (+50%) - Lot of gut again; some stuff has read town to me; nothing definitive here.

Leaning Scum

(60%-75% Confidence)
Thur (-70%) - Finds me "not scummy, just bad town" yet decides to vote me anyway and has no objections to my lynch despite several days til deadline. There would be a huge difference if this was at deadline crunch.

Likely Scum

(76%-100% Confidence)
Katsu (-95%) - I have a feeling this one is the SK actually. Scum generally don't do blatantly antitown moves on purpose. As the SK, well, he may get away with it, idk. His hammer was ridiculous and completely uncalled for. Gets defensive/angry during twilight so, likely scum.

Regardless of alignment, please do me a favor and Policy Lynch this eejit.

Remember - 2M and 1SK.

Ircher's reads list is basically an exact replica of mine, if you drop Archmage to the same level as Almost 50.
This guy is good! I'm gonna remember this next time we play together. RIP!

[Aristophanes]

Snarky needs to do something! Holy shit!!
Like, I thought I was bad. This guy is ridiculous!!!

However,
VOTE: Thur
This is scum.

Kats, can you shoot either Almost50 or Archmage tn pls?

[Aristophanes]

Let me get this straight. You believe Katsuki is scum, and you don't want to lynch him?

Yes.

[Aristophanes]

Let me get this straight. You believe Katsuki is scum, and you don't want to lynch him?

Yes.

Well, It's not that I don't want to lynch him.
It's that I don't want to yet.

[Aristophanes]

RC, I left the pagetop purposely for you, and you still missed it.

[Aristophanes]

Hooooooooooly shit, The Wiki is in TigerMode! :S

[Aristophanes]

Not if he targets scummy people's.
A leashed SK is a valuable asset!

[Aristophanes]

Like, we make him shoot scummy targets or be lynched.
Simple as that.

Kats will understand, and wouldn't have claimed if he didn't agree.

He obviously shot KTS last night, thinking it would be a scum flip.

[Aristophanes]

Like, this is optimal play.

[Aristophanes]

I disagree with lynching katsuki, considering the mafia may use their kill on him and not another townie. If leashed, I don't mind letting him live for a while.

Thanks for agreeing Snarky!
Glad we can agree on someth--

Instead let's lynch aristo.

Oh...
Nvm then. </3

[Aristophanes]

Snarky, do you have any solid reads?
What about any gut reads or inklings of reads?

Like, any content would be amazing right now.

[Aristophanes]

SHIT I FELL ASLEEP TOO EARLY

HAPPY APRIL FOOLS

Well shit...
I've been played! XD

[Aristophanes]

This game is so exciting right now...

[Aristophanes]

SHIT I FELL ASLEEP TOO EARLY

HAPPY APRIL FOOLS

Well shit...
I've been played! XD

Fortunate indeed that we didn't lynch Katsuki, thinking incorrectly that he was a confirmed serial killer!

Now that Katsuki has confirmed himself as town-aligned, I can return to my original vote.

VOTE: Aristophanes

Uhh, he opened a huge bottle of wine there.
Was the SK claim real, masked as a joke to garner reads?
Because it kinda made sense when he said he was SK.
The KTS kill really makes me think he is the culprit here.

However, Thur is still scum and should be lynched.
Let's do that today, Iroan! You won't be disappointed!

[Aristophanes]

Now that Katsuki has confirmed himself as town-aligned,

He has confirmed no such thing. Katsuki is just as scummy as he was before the SK thing.

Other than the quickhammer, why is he scum again?

[Aristophanes]

I'm just messing around, let's lynch Aristophanes though.

How 'bout no...

[Aristophanes]

ok VOTE: unvote: Katsuki[/uv[

Let's try that again.

[/vote][/]]]]AstropanUNVOTE: /

Nope, doesn't seem to be working.

XD
You're too funny!

But really, I am not scum. I reconsidered the miller claim and have not pushed you, as I'm sure you are town. I think Thus has a good chance of flipping town, and my lynch pool is himself, Archmage, and Almost50/Snarky. The latter is due to a decent point raised by Almost50. Snarky could easily be lurking scum, though I've seen him do this as town as well.

I'd much rather not lynch in the final section today, and Thur is both viable and scummy. I don't see why this is so hard.

[Aristophanes]

We really need a VC.
I have no clue where we're at on that.

[Aristophanes]

NVM, I found the last one and its still accurate..

Varied Music Mafia:

Votecount #2.23:

Thurhame (4): Katsuki, duppin, Almost50, Aristophanes
Aristophanes (3): iraonavp, camn, GuyFawkes,
Katsuki (2): hurhame, The Archmage Ludicrous
Almost50 (1): SnarkySnowman
duppin (0):
SnarkySnowman (0):
GuyFawkes (0):
The Archmage Ludicrous (0):
iraonavp (0):
camn (0):

Not voting:

With 10 alive it's 6 to lynch.

Night falls in (expired on 2016-04-08 21:00:00).

Song:

Taylor Swift: Back To December

Notes:

On request!

I keep checking to prod people because of the low post count but no one is ever in prod range.

Also, <3 RC for playing my cong request!
T. Swift is BAE

[Aristophanes]

5 days left and we need a consensus

[Aristophanes]

@Aristo:

So, you were just looking for an excuse to repost your favourite Taylor Swift song? Can we concentrate on scum hunting? If we win this game I will see to it that Taylor Swift herself is present in your next birthday party.

It was a happy coincidende, i swear! You have yourself a deal though!

I'll make my thoughts into actual cases soon!

[Aristophanes]

Who is up for getting a wagon going on snarky?

I am.. but only if there's enough support for it to launch. I'm not going to be their only voter, nor even one of only 2 there. That only serves to dissolve current wagons to no avail.

I'm not opposed. Snarky is literally useless this game.

[Aristophanes]

Cool quick wagon!
VOTE: Snarky

Ninja'd

L-1

[Aristophanes]

UNVOTE: to prevent another quickhammer incident in case snarky wants to claim

Right!
Good call.

[Aristophanes]

Are you just trolling at this point Aristo?

...no :S

You'd know if I were trolling.

[Aristophanes]

Well I've played with you before. Why is your playstyle so weird this game?

I don't know tbh.
My play has been really off lately. It's been noted in a few recent games. I'm not really sure what's up with it, but I do realize it is a thing.

[Aristophanes]

It's hard being scum, especially when your playstyle is off.

I'm sure it would be

[Aristophanes]

I'd much rather lynch Katsuki, but since that doesn't seem to be happening, SS would be my second choice.

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

Weak as shit.


My wagon sucks. We have much better options (Hint: Aristo, Thurhame) than a policy lynch, and nobody has an actual scumread on me otherwise, so :/

How can we scumread a slot with no activity or actual posts??

[Aristophanes]

Also, care to claim? Intent has been given.

[Aristophanes]

Also, care to claim? Intent has been given.

No it hasn't. I made that mistake once on my own wagon; I'm not making it again.

Right, but you have intent to L-1, and we are assuming a quickhammer if that happens. So that is essentially intent to me.

Me claiming at this point would be anti-town. Stop rolefishing. Start explaining why I'm a better lynch (read: a policy lynch for lack of activity) than an actually scummy player, who might give us info if they flip, even if they don't flip scum?

I'm not rolefishing.

I don't disagree that we will get more info from a Thur flip, but using that as a reason to not lynch you (read: the only content you've given all game) is really bad. To lurk this hard, then say "but I've lurked so hard I'm not worth lynching,' feels more like a scum tactic than town being genuine.

[Aristophanes]

You may consider my intent stated, however, if anyone else brings Snarky to L-1.

Missed this post.
So you have pre-intent.
Good enough for me.

[Aristophanes]

It is I.

The Cheekiest.

Are you stalking me?

[Aristophanes]

Well I've played with you before. Why is your playstyle so weird this game?

What makes you think it's playstyle? Serious question.

I'm not sure I understand. What do you mean?

He is asking why you think this is a playstyle issue not an issue of scumminess.
I gather that in saying "playstyle" he thinks you are creating a preemptive reason for me to get out of a scumread. Which my response follows perfectly.

Therefore, I must ask, is the difference in my play scummy to you?

[Aristophanes]

It is to me.

And I appreciate your persistence in the matter.

However, it is incorrect.

[Aristophanes]

I'm tired, drunk, and listening to Taylor Swift.
Half of those will help me, half will hinder me.

Imma see if I can make my Thur case.
I'm still totally happy with a Snarky lynch though.

@Snarky,
can we have your reads before you go? They may help a lot post flip.

[Aristophanes]

I'm tired, drunk, and listening to Taylor Swift.
Half of those will help me, half will hinder me.

I get that "tired" will hinder you, and I get that one of being drunk or listening to Taylor Swift will help you.

What I don't understand is the "half will do this and half will do the opposite", considering you only listed 3 elements.

Ah, but it is far more complex than that!
Being tired is fully a hindrance. Being drunk is only 25% of a hindrance as it may lead to passing out. Listening to T. Swift is also 25% of a hindrance, as I get distracted by the music sometimes and forget to play. Combined they make up half of the hindrances.

Sadly, the tiredness prevailed. I will do this now though.

[Aristophanes]

Someone who can't focus because of the deep, complex musicianship of Taylor Swift CERTAINLY needs to die.

Say what you will, but she certainly speaks to me in her songs!

It's the deep emotion she conveys in her music, the conviction with which she sings, that gets me most!

[Aristophanes]

Oh, I didn't realize, I thought for sure I voted Aristo. Let me check that. VOTE: Aristo

Lol k Snarky.

[Aristophanes]

Okay, so I did the Thur ISO.
I'll admit, I went to do a quotewall breakdown of his posts, but overall they're not horribly scummy. What I did note is that they are really sideliney. I've noticed before that scum often play

at

the game instead of

in

the game, which is exactly what feeling I get from Thur. He makes posts that don't feel engaging. He asks questions without followup. He seems to be trying to divert the game into a favourable direction without actually taking stances very often himself.

Ircher isn't scummy. He is, however, extremely unhelpful to town. I can't get a read through the obfuscating wishywashiness. I would have no objections to an Ircher wagon.

VOTE: Ircher

This post still gets to me. Of all his posts, it is the single most damning.
He states that Ircher is NOT scummy, yet he votes him. Wtf is that!
And this is after he explicitly stated that he doesn't prefer a PL on D1 unless it is at deadline as we don't have any scum leads.

The miller claim is meaningless at the moment.

@Killthestory: "Makes a serious vote after 2 pages and RVS just ended" is not an explanation, it is a fact. An explanation would be saying why making a serious vote when the time for non-serious votes is over is scummy.

^ Should be replaced; Let's PL Katsuki for lyrking

I'll support this, but only if we can't get anything better before the two weeks are up. Scumlynch > Lurkerlynch.

I think Kitty vs Kill is likely town vs town based on the feel I get from some of their posts.

UNVOTE: Aristophanes
He hasn't posted at all since camn voted him. I still think he's scummy, but I'm moving my vote to another suspect for the moment. Pending more information from both of them, of course.
VOTE: camn

[Aristophanes]

Kats- will you put Snowman at L-1 please? Everyone is afraid you will lolhammer again.

I haven't been following. Now that my other game's over, why are we voting snarky?

He has done jack shit!
He isn't scumhunting, he isn't defending himself, he is literally just proddodging.
Read his ISO. It will take you under a minute.
Then tell me why we shouldn't lynch him.

Snarky, claim?
Or at least an elaboration on how that would be antitown.

[Aristophanes]

ISO'd Snarky, ya not interested in hammering.

I'm also not seeing what everyone is seeing about Aris being scummy. :/

Still willing to further camn's wincon.

Lets lynch Thur though.

K
VOTE: Thur
Scum lynch I'm confident in > lurker lynch even Kats won't hammer.

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Zulfaristophanes

Being ambiguous, I assume this will be counted as an unvote.
What was the point?

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Aristophanes

Cool.
Your vote was already here until that last post, so idgaf really.

I'm neither scum, nor trolling.
This wagon is misguided and you should vote for Thur.

Willing to compromise on Snarky.


What is so hard about this?

[Aristophanes]

Almost, I have no clue what you're talking about.
Snarky, intent has been given, and I am also now giving intent.

Are you going to claim or should we just find out upon lynch?

[Aristophanes]

There's 2 days left, but I see no reason to drag this out.

VOTE: Snarky

[Aristophanes]

Btw did I mention that I'm the SK?

Lmao you bastard XD

I had minimal suspicion.

Good job/bad job, vig. Depending on which one you killed

(Fixed the autocorrected words for you.)
Why are we assuming a Vig kill, not a scum and Sk kill, as is likely to be the case?

Zulfy, Imma read that points thing soon.
Is there a final points summary available?

[Aristophanes]

Cuz how'd the SK kill get through if he got killed?

Because that's how kills work in most setups. Simultaneously.

And sorry Aris but no summary. The scoreboard's there tho.
It's only half as long as it seems since I accidentaly control-V'd twice.

Oh, well that's okay then. I'll give it a go!

[Aristophanes]

Dafuq is an environmental scumtell??

[Aristophanes]

I guess it's possible then.
Weird SK kill tho

Unless he was scumhunting?
Iunno, I suppose you're right.

I've seen little evidence of a Vig though, and it'd probably be too much killing power for the setup.

[Aristophanes]

Camn you got your snarky mislynch. It's time for you to give me Thur.

Any resistance will be taken as a scumclaim.

Iunno.
What are the charges again?

[Aristophanes]

don't quickhammer please

[Aristophanes]

NO

CAMN IS HAMMERING
THIS WILL BE HER MOMENT TO PROVE HER TOWNINESS

WHAT WILL YOU DO NOW MY DEAR?

This is a bad L-1.
I am not okay with this.
We are not hammering.

[Aristophanes]

Camn, please listen and don't hammer.

[Aristophanes]

We need discussion time.

[Aristophanes]

1. We're not in Lylo. Discussion is an asset.
2. Just because it fails sometimes does not mean it is bad.
3. PoE says scum is in yourself, Guy, Zulfy, and Camn.
The latter I think is a townie as well.

So we are not lynching Thur today.
Thanks.

[Aristophanes]

I mean, you can't really use PoE to narrow down a pool of 6 to 4. Unless you're a cop or something. In which case you may as well just claim since it's really obvious if so and because I said this.

Also, you can't have a result on me because I'm a miller. Also, if you aren't a cop, what happened to you wanting to lynch Thurhame, didn't you think that guy was suspicious?

I am not a cop.

You're probably right though, I made my case a little too strongly to back down now.

[Aristophanes]

Geez, I shouldn't say things with confidence I guess.
Thur, why Zulfy over the others?

[Aristophanes]

SORRY KATS! I MEAN IT!

Gunsmith, huh?
Well.. that would have blown my plan.

That would have blown everyone's plans!

I had a guilty on you, and Innos on Thur and Iroan!
I only targeted you because of the quickhammer!
Would have had Guy with his fakeclaim too!

We literally had this game if not for this quickhammer

I played a PR well for once, evading NKs, not being outed D1 or 2, and having it solved in Lylo. For once I played well!
And I got quicklynched

Had a fun game tho!

[Aristophanes]

I think that town was ridiculously hasty and tunnely pretty much every day of this game with a silly overconfidence that was not supported by their success up to that point.
If Aristophanes had been able to claim, I believe that town would likely have won this.
Well played to everyone in spite of this!

<3

[Aristophanes]

Any advice for improving?
I think I played an alright game, I fought for my innos but didn't claim. If we hadn't quicklynched D2 and D3 we might have had this!
I'm not shifting blame. O want to know what I could have done to prevent this though.

[Aristophanes]

Also, that's how I "PoE'd" my reads.
I couldn't think of a better way to put it.
It was meant to flag town towards my innos if I got NK'd or quicklynched.

[Aristophanes]

You should have outright claimed the inno on Thur. You should NEVER withhold innocent results if they are in danger of being lynched, there's more to investigative roles than just catching scum.

But yes, the game may have ended differently if I didn't make the mistake of voting you that quickly instead of sitting on it.

And had we not had a fucking quicklynch we could have gone into today with potentially 2 innos and a caught scum.
That's a surefire win.

But instead, we quickhammered Thur, then quicklynched me!

I appreciate the advice, but I do disagree.
Had I claimed, I'd have been killed.
I held off for a day to get us in a pretty much guaranteed win spot.

Also, I was going to claim had the hammer not happened.
There was so much time left it never should have happened.

[Aristophanes]

I appreciate the advice, but I do disagree.
Had I claimed, I'd have been killed.
I held off for a day to get us in a pretty much guaranteed win spot.

You must take the environment into consideration

Yeah, this is true.

[Aristophanes]

Voting the mod was certainly an interesting strategy

Didnt I explain that?

Maybe I didnt --> 1) Its fun 2) Apathetic to the game

I saw nothing wrong with this.
It's the same as no voting.

[Aristophanes]

But I was a PR