Micro 584: RuPaul's Drag Race Season 1 - Day 2

[3dicerolling]

VOTE: Catdog

I can sheep that.

[3dicerolling]

Lol Mollie.

[3dicerolling]

I take it you missed that 3 letter word. since I am a lyncher on scum which like never happens ever i thought only usurpers did that am thinking there might be more than 2 scum. if town want my help I here cos the faster the game ends the quicker I can meet the second part of of my wc not that my hopes are super high.

I just find it a little... unbalanced see? and pointless

a lyncher on scum is essential a town. in other words a pointless role, kinda imbalanced if anything.

And your method was weird considering you could have just claimed a cop guilty on day 2 while playing the lurker card. At least I know I would.

This is where I am at. I'm just confused why Mollie would claim something like this?

The only thing would be if she was a straight lyncher and made this strategy in the beginning.

[3dicerolling]

I'm surprised you could explain 50 times in 3 pages. I think that gets an award or something.

[3dicerolling]

Yo

[3dicerolling]

Have a tad bit of time to throw out my suggestion.

Let's say Mollie is telling the truth, we lynch her and see that from her role pm, then tomorrow we lynch beeboy.

Let's say Mollie is lying, we lynch her, realize she is lying, and move on from there.

We're not lynching beeboy just because "hur durr new lyncher roles are cool" because we don't even know if Mollie is the variation of lyncher she claims to be, and if we buy into this, she will win and we could potentially lose a townie.

[3dicerolling]

Any play where you lose is what you will call a "poor play"

P:edit - Sure, I will converse about this when I can get back to this game. I'm not saying my logic is all knowing, but it is where I'm at right now.

[3dicerolling]

For the record, I did post an anti-Mollie stance and she did, calmly, ask me to talk to her and go over her posts again.

I kind of set this game on the back burner, which isn't fair, but I'll get to it eventually.

[3dicerolling]

VOTE: KainTepes

[3dicerolling]

Oh no. Kain is in this game.

ugh.

3dicerolling, I can't remember but did you ever play mafia on 6prizes?

Catching up. Someone tl;dr as well.

I did at one point yes

[3dicerolling]

Okay, here's where I'm at. We're in kind of an awkward position.

I'm pretty sure mollie is being truthful about her lyncher status; however, I highly doubt she is being truthful about beeboy. Having an IC AND a lyncher with an honest scum target would be ridiculous, so with this information, we have two choices going forward:

1. Lynch mollie - She'll most likely flip basic lyncher. One more anti town player gone, but one less lynch to put toward scum.
2. Don't lynch mollie - She'll either fade back or keep pushing beeboy. If beeboy is town, we lose a LYLO because scum would never NK beeboy and mollie would just auto vote him.

Either situation we need to lynch scum, whether sooner or later. The real question is whether we want mollie here potentially making noise or whether we just want to end her now.

[3dicerolling]

@firestarter - Who were you from 6P?

[3dicerolling]

Beeboy I don't think we've played a game where you haven't scumread me

[3dicerolling]

I srsly hope mollie is telling the truth about beeboy scum becuase I have a mild scum read on him without considering any part of mollies claim.

I was looking at mafiawiki to confirm that lyncher is normally given a target randomly, and I found this

"On Day 2, claim Cop with a guilty result on your target. By the time they figure out you're lying, you will have already won."

Sound familiar?

[3dicerolling]

Can you rephrase your question? I don't follow.

[3dicerolling]

FA she said her role had a guilty result in her first post.

Well yeah, but the concept is the same. Claiming a cop on someone is a great strat for a lyncher, same as claiming your role tells you someone is scum.

[3dicerolling]

UNVOTE: KainTepes

With what Fire starter just said, I'm guessing he's more of a newb than I originally gathered. I'm going to look back over this today. Promise.

[3dicerolling]

Okay, so I'm at page 3 and really want to scumread beeboy, which is why he is probably town

[3dicerolling]

Okay, I've finally read up! Here's where I'm at regarding reads list.

Town:
FA (obviously)
Catdog
boy of the bee
ZZZX

Null:
Firestarter

Scumish:
KainTepes
Radiant

Kind of a rough sketch, but you people fighting has made me sad.

ZZZX has made some posts that really clicked with what I think, but part of me is kind of weary of their slot.

As much as I want to believe mollie is lyncher/survivor because she feels honest and genuine, I just cannot in any way fathom how bro would put IC and Lyncher with a guilty in this game. (sorry mollie )

Catdog's frustration is genuine, their posting is sound, and I think this is town hippy for sure.

Beeboy has been frustratingly stubborn and annoying, which is how he has been in basically every town game I've played with him.

VOTE: RadiantHorsebells

If someone wants to talk to me, just say the word.

[3dicerolling]

No offense Kain, but have you played or signed up for a newbie game yet?

Newbie games are better for learning more about what MYLO and LYLO means, and helps you get an idea of how we play the game differently on this site.

Because I'm getting the vibe that Salem plays this game wayyyy differently.

[3dicerolling]

I don't even know what this game is anymore

[3dicerolling]

I don't even know what this game is anymore

right now bbeboy is spamming the thread in order to bury my posts especially the 1 where I asked the mod if there bastard elements in it cos my flip is gonna make him look real bad.

I agree, beeboy is spamming and is taking advantage.

Can you link me to the game where scum beeboy did some of the things you described earlier?

[3dicerolling]

I'm super close to voting beeboy, but the completely idiotic self inside of me is resisting.

Mainly because I want to hear others opinions of it first.

But that hammer was complete trash play.

[3dicerolling]

Okay Kain is town, but he is so newb, it's kind of frustrating TBH.

[3dicerolling]

Bro, that's not even why he's newb.

That's not even what watcher does.....

[3dicerolling]

I get what you are saying Mollie.

But from what I just read, I'm not liking catdog's recent transition and I want to read back into their slot better.

[3dicerolling]

You initiate with questioning Mollie on her KainTepes read.

Which is extremely perplexing because Mollie has been very direct with her reads and you have to have not been reading the game to know she is scumreading KainTepes.

It feels like an awkward initiation to a potential newb lynch.

As much as I want to just start lynching willy nilly because this game is honestly irritating in and of itself, that would fundamentally be against my win conditions and I have to be sure I cover every angle.

[3dicerolling]

Hey Mollie, does bro usually provide fake claims for flavor?

[3dicerolling]

We need to mass claim today.

Beeboy claimed his "importance" or something yesterday.

As soon as he gets back he is claiming. Nobody claim before beeboy. If anyone has any abilities that contradict beeboy's or KainTepes, they can CC.

Because I want to be 100% on this and if beeboy and KainTepes roles clash, we can lynch Kain today and beeboy tomorrow.

[3dicerolling]

why not beeboy first??? HE is clearly scummier???

Because, if we lynch beeboy and he turns out to be town, mollie will leave the game and we will lose. If we lynch you, we can still lynch beeboy tomorrow, but not vice versa.

[3dicerolling]

VOTE: KainTepes

Yeah, there's literally too many coincidences here. From claiming watcher, and actually being tracker, from being tracker to having multiple 1 shot roles, and then not using the doc on the IC.

This dies today, without a shadow of a doubt.

[3dicerolling]

popcorn to zzzx

No, beeboy is claiming next.

[3dicerolling]

I'm done with this game. I'm prod dodging until Kain is dead or beeboy claims something somewhat exciting.

Seriously, most dis functional town I've ever played with. Even Mollie is playing better than you and she is a lyncher!

[3dicerolling]

I'm prod dodging until Kain is dead

I'm VT. Bye bye

[3dicerolling]

Actually, I've changed my mind.

UNVOTE: KainTepes

No other claimed town PRs. Need some time to think about this because Kain's role does make sense given the other roles in this game.

[3dicerolling]

We're not lynching Mollie today and we aren't lynching beeboy today.

Tomorrow, if whoever we lynch today flips town, we will lynch beeboy. If they flip scum, we will reevaluate.

Lynch pool for today fire starter, catdog, and ZZZX, although lately I'm feeling fire starter could be town.

[3dicerolling]

Beeboy is wrong, everyone has claimed.

I might be able to get to this when I get home, depending on my level of homework.

I'll respond to you later Mollie.

[3dicerolling]

Catdog you're scum aren't you

[3dicerolling]

Or maybe his role makes sense in the setup.....?

[3dicerolling]

Catdog, if you are proposing KainTepes scum, you are proposing fire starter as scum. It doesn't make sense any other way.

But I doubt that, so that is making me thing you and ZZZX is a serious possibility.

[3dicerolling]

If fire starter is scum, that means scum has a vote restriction, which FAR lessens the possibility of there being a JOAT, meaning Kain must be his partner.

If Kain is scum, then a negative restriction against town, an IC, and a misdirector, which unless I'm assuming wrongly about how it works, isn't nearly as strong as you say. This wouldn't be balanced with a town vote restriction, so fire would have to be scum with Kain.

I will be at an actual computer shortly

[3dicerolling]

the nightkill...?

Bullcrap.

You are arguing that all radiant is going to misdirect is a nightkill, that's trash design. You wouldn't have a misdirector without some additional town role to misdirector.

Heck, you are assuming what a misdirector is, when you shouldn't have any idea what it does. Sure it's probably close to a redirector, but it isn't one. If bro had a redirector, he would have put a redirector, which means misdirector is different. I'm not sure what it does, but it's most likely not as powerful as redirector.

You are even misconstruing Kain's role. He does not have a bulletproof, he has a commuter. Totally different things.

In fact the tracker and such plays right into the setup because radiant could possibly have something to do with directing one of the roles elsewhere.

[3dicerolling]

We're not lynching Mollie today and we aren't lynching beeboy today.

Tomorrow, if whoever we lynch today flips town, we will lynch beeboy. If they flip scum, we will reevaluate.

Lynch pool for today fire starter, catdog, and ZZZX, although lately I'm feeling fire starter could be town.

yes we are. if you let beeboy and I go to lylo with any of kain or fire it is an auto-loss for town. I am so tempted to post my role pm right now its not even funny.

plz just fucking lynch me cos I will post it if I am forced to endure this shitty game with its shitty players any longer.

the only way that will forgive catdog is if they are a lyncher on me.

@ bro - srsly kain and fire as replacements? thats like giving the playerlist a big fuck you.

I don't understand why you are so unhappy. If we mis-lynch today, then there is 2 town, 2 scum, and you. Beeboy has to be lynched, either by you with the town, or you with the scum.

After that, if you really stay in the game, then it's 1 town, 1 scum, and you, hopefully you will be gracious enough to side with the town player because we helped you achieve your win condition.

No other option really supercedes this option imo

[3dicerolling]

Let's see, we lynch mollie, she flips regular lyncher, and we have gained 0 ground. You are so smart beeboy!

[3dicerolling]

Which head am I currently addressing?

[3dicerolling]

Hippy, you are like donald trump right now. You don't actually address my points, you just tell me I'm wrong.

[3dicerolling]

If you are town, you need to read this.

If we mislynch today, beeboy

has

to die tomorrow because of this logic: 2 town, 2 scum, 1 lyncher. If beeboy is town, then the game is already over because 2 scum will vote him, then mollie will hammer to win.

If beeboy is scum, then he won't get hammered by scum, and the remaining town needs to vote him with mollie.

The only way this isn't the best scenario is if mollie leaves the town when beeboy is lynched, in which case lynching mollie is the best scenario, but I'd like to believe bro wouldn't throw us in a 9P game with a 3rd party who leaves.

However, if we don't lynch mollie today, then this is how the scenario must play out.

[3dicerolling]

Let's say we lynch mollie now, we can break it into scenario A, where she is a normal lyncher, with a target on beeboy, and B where she is exactly who she says she is.

A. We are left in a 5P with 2 scum 3 town, we have to lynch correctly two days in a row.
B. Beeboy dies, then Kain because Kain is obv scum due to too many PRs.

Now let's say we lynch somebody not mollie or beeboy, which we can break down into scenario C where we lynch scum, and scenario D where we lynch town.

C. We lynch scum, then we have 5P with 1 scum, mollie, and 3 town. Let's break this next one down into C1 and C2.
C1. We lynch scum at the 5P and win the game.
C2. We lynch town at the 5P, and then we are left with mollie, 1 town/scum, and beeboy. Beeboy dies, and, depending on his alignment, one team wins.
D. If we lynch town today, we are brought into a 5P with mollie, 2 scum, and 2 town. Beeboy is lynched by either the town or scum. If he's lynched by the scum, scum win, and if he is lynched by the town, we are brought into a situation of Mollie, 1 town, and 1 scum. How this will play out, I'm not 100% sure.

So let's weigh the benefits of plan: lynch mollie gogogo
1. We are guaranteed to have 3 town and 2 scum, so we won't have to worry about what mollie will do.
2. Mollie won't be able to turn our backs on us in a situation like situation D.

Now, the benefits of plan: Don't lynch mollie, go slowslowslow
1. We potentially have an extra lynch. Whoever we lynch today, plus beeboy tomorrow, who could be either town or scum.
2. 1 is really the only benefit, but an extra lynch is pretty good.

If anyone has anything to add, feel free. Analyzing this list, I'd feel slightly better about lynching mollie now, but I want other players opinions on this.

[3dicerolling]

You forgot the benefit that when I am town and mollie is a regular lyncher we won't lose instantly.
Which is what will happen

Didn't really mark that as a benefit because it's really the same amount of lynches either plan, unless you are scum, or unless mollie leaves the game.

[3dicerolling]

And mollie, just to establish for the record, none of my stances against you are personal, but I'm working to get the town to a W here, and I hope you understand why I have been less inclined to believe you this game.

I have been reading what you are saying though, and taking these things into account.

[3dicerolling]

Hippy, do you want to lynch ZZZX?

[3dicerolling]

Hippy, do you want to lynch ZZZX?

Oh shit world is going to an end and a lyncher could end game tomorrow if they were normal.... Oh hey wana lynch zzzx?

Thanks for scum claiming, now be quiet while I talk to hippy.

[3dicerolling]

Hippy, do you want to lynch ZZZX?

didn't you just show how its reasonable to take out mollie?

I mean as a general synopsis. I want Mollie dead now, but I'm talking after Mollie is dead.

There's always a chance one of us will be dead tomorrow, so best to talk now.

[3dicerolling]

I didn't say ZZZX is the best shot, I'm asking you, right now, what you think.

[3dicerolling]

I'm kind of thinking it's beeboy along with you or ZZZX.

That or you and ZZZX, but beeboy is playing an incredibly anti-town game right now.

[3dicerolling]

bee/boy/kaintepes/zzzx/ maybe you? are all potentials.

Deciding today puts the power in scum hants

like this shit is pure gold

Even though Mollie is trolling, she's right. That statement literally provides no emphasis on any scum read you may or may not have right now.

Deciding today puts the power in the hands of the remaining town tomorrow, who can decide partially based off whichever townie dies tonight.

If lynching Mollie wasn't the corect play right now, then I would be voting you or ZZZX, but for today.

VOTE: pirate mollie

[3dicerolling]

Inb4 jester

[3dicerolling]

bro what is a misdirector?

Night kills are not redirected in this way

Sucks to suck catdog.

Kain is town.

[3dicerolling]

Which means fire starter is very likely to be town.

Which means it's between catdog, beeboy, and ZZZX tomorrow.

[3dicerolling]

Which means fire starter is very likely to be town.

Which means it's between catdog, beeboy, and ZZZX tomorrow.

Fun fact guess what I ha\/e been calling all game?

I forgot, because you have been so lacking in coversation. Your presence is completely underwhelming compared to the town game I just played with you.

[3dicerolling]

Broooooooo. Where are youuuuu.

[3dicerolling]

I'd like to know where Mollie is. We Lynch her and no comments? Odd for her.

She's just gonna flip regular lyncher, so I don't see why she would be talking.

[3dicerolling]

Let's say we lynch mollie now, we can break it into scenario A, where she is a normal lyncher, with a target on beeboy, and B where she is exactly who she says she is.

A. We are left in a 5P with 2 scum 3 town, we have to lynch correctly two days in a row.
B. Beeboy dies, then Kain because Kain is obv scum due to too many PRs.

Now let's say we lynch somebody not mollie or beeboy, which we can break down into scenario C where we lynch scum, and scenario D where we lynch town.

C. We lynch scum, then we have 5P with 1 scum, mollie, and 3 town. Let's break this next one down into C1 and C2.
C1. We lynch scum at the 5P and win the game.
C2. We lynch town at the 5P, and then we are left with mollie, 1 town/scum, and beeboy. Beeboy dies, and, depending on his alignment, one team wins.
D. If we lynch town today, we are brought into a 5P with mollie, 2 scum, and 2 town. Beeboy is lynched by either the town or scum. If he's lynched by the scum, scum win, and if he is lynched by the town, we are brought into a situation of Mollie, 1 town, and 1 scum. How this will play out, I'm not 100% sure.

So let's weigh the benefits of plan: lynch mollie gogogo
1. We are guaranteed to have 3 town and 2 scum, so we won't have to worry about what mollie will do.
2. Mollie won't be able to turn our backs on us in a situation like situation D.

Now, the benefits of plan: Don't lynch mollie, go slowslowslow
1. We potentially have an extra lynch. Whoever we lynch today, plus beeboy tomorrow, who could be either town or scum.
2. 1 is really the only benefit, but an extra lynch is pretty good.

If anyone has anything to add, feel free. Analyzing this list, I'd feel slightly better about lynching mollie now, but I want other players opinions on this.

[3dicerolling]

UNVOTE: UNVOTE: Mollie need to think about something actually. Your restriction changes things.

[3dicerolling]

If fire starter is town here, and we lynch Mollie, it's an auto loss.

You guys need to unvote Mollie, k thnx

[3dicerolling]

Okay never mind then.

[3dicerolling]

VOTE: Mollie

Yeah, we are good now that Fire says it's disabled in LYLO.

[3dicerolling]

No, we need another vote on mollie.

[3dicerolling]

Yes please.

[3dicerolling]

I might not be alive tomorrow, so if I'm not, final reads are as follows:

Townie
Fire Starter

Townish but keep an eye on
KainTepes

Needs to do to something or eat rope
ZZZX

Needs to eat rope for being scummy
beeboy
Catdog

[3dicerolling]

Watch me be dead wrong, lol.

Really though, if you are town in the bottom 2 groups, you really need to step it up. Beeboy hasn't posted something game related and not about mollie in who knows how long. Catdog's reads are as flimsy as wet cardboard, and ZZZX's disappearance is unsettling.

Just things I'm thinking about right now.

[3dicerolling]

Sorry you had to be a regular lyncher mollie

[3dicerolling]

If only your play showed that at all.

[3dicerolling]

Let's see, tunneling with no reasons behind your reads, tunneling mollie despite the fact she is claimed lyncher and you are scumhunting interacting with her, you literally hammer right after a votecount is given, with no claim.

Man I wonder why you are being heavily scumread

[3dicerolling]

Why did you have to kill my only townread.

You suck scum

[3dicerolling]

Kain, give results and tell us why you were not killed last night.

[3dicerolling]

Like, I understand that the misdirector doesn't make sense in the setup without another town role, but not docing frozen, not docing fire starter, like I don't even understand why you wouldn't do that if that's your role.

[3dicerolling]

CatDog (UpTooLate + hiplop hydra)
KainTepes
ZZZX
beeboy
3dicerolling

One I like least atm is 3dicem followed by kain. You are and beeboy both in my nullish list. I honest have no "real" town reads.

Get your face out of the mud. Fight me, engage me, vote me.

Do something, so I can figure out my read on you.

[3dicerolling]

Catdog, talk to me. This beeboy is literally nothing like the beeboy I've been playing with in his town games. He's not pushing anyone he's just sitting back.

[3dicerolling]

The term lyncher, means that she received a random target who she must lynch. It may be scum or may be town. Mollie had no influence on her target's win conditions same as a regular lyncher.

And yes, this is more or less beeboy's scum game. It's also polar opposite to his town game in walking dead, space invaders, etc

[3dicerolling]

received a random target

that isn't true? Usually modpicked in my experience. Sometimes random, sometimes not. Completely up to mod discretion.

wait he was town in TWD? shit I remembered that wrong I think.

Meh, I thought that was how lyncher works.

Yes, he was town in TWD and he's playing nothing like that.

[3dicerolling]

CatDog (UpTooLate + hiplop hydra)
KainTepes
ZZZX
beeboy
3dicerolling

One I like least atm is 3dicem followed by kain. You are and beeboy both in my nullish list. I honest have no "real" town reads.

Get your face out of the mud. Fight me, engage me, vote me.

Do something, so I can figure out my read on you.

We are at lylo/mylo/w.e so no I am not voting.

Engaging? Sure . You said I am scum. would you like to go through that at all?

Let's start with your ISO.

Pretty much all you talk about is mollie and lynchers with a few side comments.

Today is the first day, I've seen your put out a readslist, even with that, your readslist is weak on reasoning, and weak on commitment.

You were almost completely absent yesterday. Sure you were sick, but even when I'm sick as town, I still try to throw out some thoughts. As scum, people can use sickness as a way to bypass having to post content. Obviously not faking sickness, but it's easy to chillax when you are sick and scum. I would know because I've been in your spot as well.

Also, if you were sick that whole time, that's a bit ridiculous.

How about a counter question. Why should

I

be townreading

you

?

[3dicerolling]

@Catdog - If you think Kain and beeboy are town, and you are taking a stance against ZZZX, why, by PoE, are you not then scumreading me?

[3dicerolling]

I really want to say you are town.

But I'm worried you aren't throwing me in the scum pile because you want me to help you push ZZZX and don't want to set of my vibes

I'm also very confused why you are assuming beeboy is town.

Closest person to town here is Kain I think. If bro has a misdirector and no other town roles to affect it, this game was dumb from the start.

[3dicerolling]

I guess we'll see if catdog and kain hammer, but I highly doubt it.

[3dicerolling]

Well, catdog and I are confirmed not teammates.

[3dicerolling]

Well, catdog and I are confirmed not teammates.

Not true, if you don't have day talk CatDogs post could be him offering to coordinate with you.

Catdog literally told you to unvote. If he hadn't, you would have kept your vote on there and we could've hammered.

So no, we are not scumbuddies.

[3dicerolling]

Don't vote anyone yet kain

[3dicerolling]

@ZZZX - I'm not going to be unreasonable in this crossvote. I need both of you to lay out why each other is scum because right now I've been scumreading beeboy hard on meta and you hard on not being here yesterday, which, even if it wasn't your fault, was one of the most important day for establishing reads and positions and sorting the game out. In addition to the stuff I said earlier.

I'm disliking both of you, so if you can convince me beeboy is more scum than you, I will be apt to listen.

[3dicerolling]

VOTE: ZZZX

well that was a terrible case.

Kain vote ZZZX he is scum.
Even as town we will lose since ZZZX thinks CatDog is town.

I'm legit wondering if beeboy was trying to get Kain to vote so Catdog would hammer, but this may be a bit obtuse.

[3dicerolling]

so for the folks at home:

this means that either
a) one of zzzx/beeboy is scum
b) both of their partners are afk right now, unlikely.

most likely one is scum. This means lynch should 100% be between these two due to the nature of lylo.

I'm leaning beeboy town right now because of the lyncher thing, but we NEED to make sure we pick correctly

That is an extremely weak reasoning to lynch someone.

[3dicerolling]

I'm thinking the team is beeboy and cat dog right now, but I'm not entirely caught up on the 1v1 right now because I'm phone posting.

[3dicerolling]

GG

[3dicerolling]

Good job scum. Nice quick hammer

[3dicerolling]

A misdirector without another town role is stupid though, and so was this game

[3dicerolling]

Kain, you are 100% troll

[3dicerolling]

games not over. Our slot is town, dice.

You are a terrible liar.

[3dicerolling]

Kain you are so garbage.

I literally was just turning to listen to ZZZX, I was very confident in catdog scum, and you did that crap.

Even in the stupidness that was this game, I still was going to vote the actual scum, and you do that.

[3dicerolling]

Like, I know I've played a bad game, but if we had one other at least somewhat competent town player alive, this game could've been won.

[3dicerolling]

Like I'm full on salt right now.

Full on salt.

[3dicerolling]

Like I'm full on salt right now.

Full on salt.

Its fine chill

Its not you who had to spend the last 5 hours arguing with beeboy

Okay okay, that's a really good point.

I thought arguing with town beeboy was annoying.

[3dicerolling]

Also mollie, I'm super sorry you got stuck with that role, I would've cried

[3dicerolling]

well we spun the whole idea that a guilty on scum would be gamebreaking pretty well I think

Tbh I thought it was gamebreaking before anyone said anything, so I didn't really need much convincing.