Mini 1773 : Symphonic Metal Mafia (Game Over?!)

[Jake from State Farm]

I've caught partners quite a few times. Would take too long to scour every single game though. I'm awesome in lylo btw

[Jake from State Farm]

with no case

oh come on, I've given reasons for farmer. Find something else to spam over and over

You said something about a forced scum read on kts which I don't really know that's about and you took offense to one of his reasons for scum reading snarky (I think) which I didn't agree with.

Neither of those are convincing arguments and certainly not alignment indicative. Yet you think it's town to forget you had a town read on someone and when questioned about it struggle to explain it and instead of just saying I forgot, he kept changing the story.

Yeah if you are town your scum meter is obviously broken.

See I have kids, snarky did exactly what my kid (and almost every kid I've ever seen and even adults too) when caught in a lie. They squirm and keep digging themselves deeper and deeper. So yeah snarky doesn't get a free ride, he certainly shouldn't be town read by anyone.

[Jake from State Farm]

I've said way more than that but you're not reading

I went through your iso and that's basically it for reasons on why farmer is scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

Yet another person you try to lynch, with no case and nobody really following you except a couple of sheep.

Color me shocked

No case seems to be the only way you know how to say "I disagree"

no, cause he's actually 3rd on my list after you and wisdom but there is actually no case for him. I can't even make one and I'm leaning scum on him.

[Jake from State Farm]

I know right?

[Jake from State Farm]

Those getting cold feet about the Snarky wagon should make sure they've considered this.

Or how this was manipulative as fuck

since when are facts manipulative?

[Jake from State Farm]

I've said way more than that but you're not reading

I went through your iso and that's basically it for reasons on why farmer is scum.

Because all I explained about how his push on Snarky is forced is inexistent

is that a typo because this post makes no sense

[Jake from State Farm]

farmer started questioning snarky before anyone else did so if you are trying to say farmer's push on snarky was forced I call bullshit

p.edit - I disagree that was manipulation. People needed to be reminded about that. The effort it is taking to get snarky lynched means he is 99.99% likely to flip scum

[Jake from State Farm]

farmer's "case" on him is a forced pile of bullshit

just found this post

how can farmer's case on snarky be forced if he already said all of these things before snarky had any votes on him? 2 people had 2 votes each on them and you want me to believe scum snarky decided to ignore both of those and stat pressuring somebody else? highly unlikely

[Jake from State Farm]

I already explained exactly why it was forced, so yeah. You apparently didn't really go through my ISO as you are claiming - too bad I am not you, because by your logic you just lied and it 100% means you are scum.

Whether you disagree or not, that was manipulation.

you didn't really explain why it was forced you just say it was forced.

here are all the posts where you mention forced with regards to farmer, none of these really contain any "reasoning" you just say it is... so want to try again?

Spoiler:

Jake, you could do with some reevaluating now and then. How are you not bothered with everyone being super fine with lynching Snarky? Does he not have a buddy?

His wagon took years to get close to lynch. If he got there quickly if probably have an issue with it but it was like pulling teeth which makes me feel better about it

Time is irrelevant, as the pace of the game is slow. What matters is the people's progression on him. Both Maestro and Aristophanes scumread him out of nowhere. farmer's "case" on him is a forced pile of bullshit, especially the last point. Even if you think Snarky is scum you can't just disregard these things.

lol

Since when scum ask people to claim at L-5, farmer?

That's a horrible reason to imply somebody can't be scum. If you were town you would know that.

That's not what I'm implying though; my point is that farmer's point is forced.

I've said way more than that but you're not reading

I went through your iso and that's basically it for reasons on why farmer is scum.

Because all I explained about how his push on Snarky is forced is inexistent

I already explained exactly why it was forced, so yeah. You apparently didn't really go through my ISO as you are claiming - too bad I am not you, because by your logic you just lied and it 100% means you are scum.

Whether you disagree or not, that was manipulation.

also let's not forget you also accused Snarky of forcing his push on maestro

Snarky really looks like scum, his push on Maestro is really forced

but now you don't think snarky is scum anymore so does that mean snarky as town forced his case? how does that work exactly?

yeah so like I said. You have no case and you can't even keep your own logic straight. classic scum

[Jake from State Farm]

As already explained, farmer is pushing things that are not scummy, but odd. Like Snarky's L-4 claim request, his SK comment, and so on. It's a forced case on lynchbait.

asking people to claim early is scummy
assuming SK as the only option is also scummy

town doesn't do either of these things.

Also if you think "forcing a case" is a good reason for scum reading somebody, come back to snarky because you accused him of doing it also and he is closer to a lynch. It's ok, you can bus your buddy

p.edit - oh LOLOLOL no it doesn't work like that.

p.edit 2 - I am not being blind, I am poking holes in your web of lies and deceit

[Jake from State Farm]

1. if snarky "believed" maestro is scum he would have done a better job trying to convince people.
2. scum can"believe" somebody is scum and be stubborn about it. Most of my best scum games I do this

your stance on "forcing cases" is very telling. You used it as a reason to vote snarky and you do a 180 as soon as he is a real threat to get lynched. So obvious

p.edit - yes they do.


p.edit x 2 - yeah probably a good idea before you dig yourself into an even deeper hole than you are already in.

[Jake from State Farm]

you threatened by me now? so cute

you probably need to keep your story straight next time. It's ok we all have bad scum games, I clearly caught you during yours.

[Jake from State Farm]

At most you can say Farmer's reasons are bad or you don't agree with them but in no way you can say they are forced. The things he mentions as reasons are ACTUALLY scummy things.

Snarky basically gets biased against maestro because he claimed VT on page 1 in RVS and decides to quote a shit ton of his posts and requote his post 9. He does it like 8 or 9 times. In the end snarky's TL:DR for scum reading maestro is basically wifom and contradictions (note he never once uses the word contradiction in his quote wall)


nothing in snarky's case had any really scummy reasons, nothing in snarky's case had any original thought. Farmer on the other hand even if you disagree with him, had both of those things.

so if anyone forced anything in a scumm manner, hands down snarky. If you can't see this you are either scum with snarky or YOU need to quit playing mafia.


good night.

[Jake from State Farm]

the way, where did I assume SK was the only option?

I quoted it once already. Post 609

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm seeking a replacement for Aristo.

That was weird. Is this a force replacement or did he request it?

[Jake from State Farm]

So weird

[Jake from State Farm]

Hey guys, its middle of the night for me. So I am going to fall asleep in a bit.
When I get on ill try putting some work into this.

First thing I want to examine is the wagon from yesterday:
Killthestory (7) : Aristophanes , Dierfire , Jake from State Farm , a plain farmer , KuroiXHF , Masquerade , Maestro

Gotta be at least one scum on this.

Thanks captain obvious

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm a dick? Damn I'm trying to change.

[Jake from State Farm]

that was gross

[Jake from State Farm]

ok so I realize I am doing what I always do. Tunnel...

everyone knows where I stand so I am going to try and take a back seat for now, this is people's chance to post an actual case for somebody. Somebody convince me why somebody else is more likely to flip scum over wisdom/snarky

[Jake from State Farm]

he sort of explained his reasoning already when talking with me, but then again he did try to act like he didn't assume dier was a SK so there is that...

[Jake from State Farm]

I mean aristo was sk

[Jake from State Farm]

I didn't assume it was the only possibility. I suspected it, certainly, but you misunderstand.

the dierfire nk was probably an SK because it doesn't make sense to me that a vig would shoot someone like him night 1.

Well yeah my bad for assuming that you calling him the SK, didn't really mean you thought he was the SK.

[Jake from State Farm]

This is the guy you're allowing to live. A guy arguing that Snarky's "I want Maestro to claim" somehow holds scum motivation.

Has more scum motivation then town motivation...

[Jake from State Farm]

What's the town motivation for asking someone to claim at l-4 or 5 wisdom?

[Jake from State Farm]

Ugh.

Jake - I'm not saying I didn't call him SK. I'm saying I didn't call him 100% confirmed SK. There's quite a difference.

Also, VOTE: farmer and we lynch Maestro tomorrow.

I never said you called him 100% confirmed SK

[Jake from State Farm]

The whole issue about the claiming thing is dumb. It's reasonable for a town aligned player to think asking a person to claim early is scummy. It's also reasonable for a town aligned player to not thing it's scummy.

Now in this case we have 2 unknown alignments in this situation. Just cause farmer thinks it's scummy doesn't make him scum which wisdom is implying. Just cause wisdom thinks asking early isn't scummy, doesn't mean somebody who holds a different opinion is (which wisdom is again implying )

Wisdom using this against any player is shit, it's basically a difference of opinion. You want farmer lynched? Do better

[Jake from State Farm]

@SNARKY you have ignored my question. Why was dierfire more likely killed by an sk than vig?

the dierfire nk was probably an SK because it doesn't make sense to me that a vig would shoot someone like him night 1.

now answer wisdom's question that he posted right after your response

[Jake from State Farm]

No. He did not start lurking until it looked like Snarky was being lynched. I think he went lurking hoping we would lynch Snarky and he'd have another day alive. So I want him today. Also, you have already changed your mind so often that I don't really trust your reads anymore.

BTW, going out on a limb here since I skimmed the last page when I popped in: you're being a douche. V/LA =/= lurking. If you're saying there was some strategic thought process behind me going on V/LA then you should report me because I'm pretty sure that would be abusing site rules?

I actually have the same thought and post game I'm going to. You promise content and then go on v/la is very suspicious

[Jake from State Farm]

You have to prove it. You have done jack squat all game. You have no reads at all that are useful, you aren't making any sort of pushes to lynch people and your contributions in this game are completely useless. I don't really care for policy lynches but at this point if your wagon were to get to L-1 id hammer you faster than you hammered kts

[Jake from State Farm]

That doesn't mean I think he's scum though. You aren't going to get enough votes for him based on his activity and your wifom stuff

[Jake from State Farm]

No but snarky is the closest imo

[Jake from State Farm]

I believe farmer is closest to L-1 at the moment.

Actually it looks like you and he both have 3 votes atm

[Jake from State Farm]

Up to date unofficial votecount

a plain farmer (3) : Wisdom , Shiro, snarky
SnarkySnowman (2) : a plain farmer , Firebringer
Wisdom (2) : Jake from State Farm , Jeanne11
Maestro (1) : Masq

Not Voting (2) : Maestro, nnn

This is not accurate cause aristo was voting you. Replacing out doesn't remove votes. Now it's right since fire just unvoted

[Jake from State Farm]

VOTE: farmer

I'm done fighting for today.

You haven't really been fighting though...

[Jake from State Farm]

It looks like he just moved to whoever was the biggest wagon. Tbh I don't agree with that kind of vote but I don't blame him. This day needs to end

[Jake from State Farm]

If farmer gets lynched and happens to flip town, can I get support for a wisdom wagon?


Though I will say reading dier's posts right now, the dier/farmer interaction early on was weird and I'd say with almost certainty at this point whoever shot dier probably had him pegged as scum. Which means he was more likely a vig kill unless SK is playing like the vig.

Regardless of my read on farmer I'm not going to vote a person that nobody can make a case for and because it's being pushed by my top scum read I can't compromise myself or my integrity and join it

[Jake from State Farm]

Ok saying that I didn't engage the situation is pretty fake. I was consistently here the past few arguments.

I could do Farmer. I did say that I think at least one of the two is scum but if he flips town we should get snarky.

Vote:Farmer

Can you link me to the post where you said one of snarky or farmer could be scum? I can't seem to find it...

Also remind me why farmer is scum

Hey shiro, I don't think you ever did this and I've checked again and still don't see it. Please can you do this now

[Jake from State Farm]

Bye Felicia

Ain't nobody gonna miss you

[Jake from State Farm]

I mean you sound like a kid pouting cause things aren't going your way.

If you want somebody lynched you have to make a case or at least provide GOOD reasons. Nobody voting farmer has done this.

[Jake from State Farm]

it died off because his partner is trying to distract people onto somebody else. It's called a counter wagon. Now I wonder who is the counter wagon for snarky...

oh yeah farmer is

wisdom/snarky game solved

[Jake from State Farm]

going to be v/la this evening and all day tomorrow. I'll try and check in but no promises.

[Jake from State Farm]

I do what I can :/ farmer is really obvious scum in my eyes, I can't explain it any better than I have

That's probably proof you should quit cause you really have done a terrible job explaining it already. Like you haven't mentioned a single scummy thing farmer has done. The things you mention are actually protown things

[Jake from State Farm]

Just what you do is command people to do what you say. I mean, I had a couple of times I really felt like you were listening to me and to others and I wish you'd do that more often. Just talking about it doesn't mean you agree with it.
With this playerlist you're getting a lot of struggle, which means your style isn't working here. Some people are even scumreading you for it.
I voted farmer hoping others would follow as well, but they didn't, some still pushing other targets like wtf guys it's just 2 or 3 days left or something?!? So I went back to my opinion. For the record. And now back on farmer to end this day with a lynch at least. I hope others will still follow.

The people voting farmer are people who don't really care who they lynch. The people who care about scum hunting aren't voting for farmer because not a single valid reason has been given.

[Jake from State Farm]

All we need is a FB vote and either Jeanne to actually play (doubtful), Jake to actually vote scum instead of caring about his ego (doubtful), kush to stop idiotically townreading manipulative wordiness, or a Maestro hammer.

I'm actually voting scum bro. If you care about lynching scum as much as you say you do, vote snarky

[Jake from State Farm]

FB vote farmer please. Jeanne and Jake are practically not playing the game, useless to argue with them

Da fuck? I'm playing the game way more than you are. Like I said and you continue to ignore so I'll say it much louder.

You have yet to give one valid reason why farmer is scum. The things you have mentioned aren't even scummy let alone scum tells.

The reason why more people aren't voting is because all the people currently voting farmer are people blindly sheeping you and don't actually care about who they lynch

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm not tunneling on anyone, Jeanne. Farmer is scum and I've explained why.

You accused me of not considering people could be town, yet I have done it with 3 people today: Maestro, Jake, and Snarky. You have no argument at this point.

You are tunneling. You have no valid reason for this tunnel either.

[Jake from State Farm]

Also all those 3 people you now call town, you were convinced were scum this day phase and then changed your mind. You had no reason for scum reading them in the first place.

I mean at least snarky and farmer you used the same reason but somehow snarky isn't scum anymore for it but farmer is? Da fuck kind of
Logic is that? If you are town do the rest of us a favor and either shut the fuck up or replace out

[Jake from State Farm]

My point is that I'm Town so there's no strategic reason for me to have declared V/LA so you can put the ruler down and stop comparing sizes, Jake.

2 days since this and you claim your actions aren't reportable?

mod can you please replace maestro?

He is only gone for "1 day 15 hours" . he is not in the prod range. and I will w8 24 hours after prodding to replace people.

[Jake from State Farm]

Yet I'm providing good reasons and you aren't.

The person I'm voting lied and changed his story multiple times and is now basically voting somebody with no reason what so ever and the person you are voting has done what? Still waiting for something scummy anyone.

[Jake from State Farm]

You have yet to give one valid reason why farmer is scum. The things you have mentioned aren't even scummy let alone scum tells.

There are no scum tells. There are things that have scum motivation. Which I have pointed out. Whether you have the capability of seeing I am right or not, they are still things with scum motivation. But you don't have it and you'd rather lynch people who "lie" or "ask for claims" because in your mind those are scum things to do with no possible town explanation. Because you don't have the capability of understanding mafia is a much deeper game than that.

Yes and the motivation for lying and changing your story when questioned has scum motivation. Nothing you have posted does.

Thanks for proving my point. Will you replace out now?

[Jake from State Farm]

why do i even try

You haven't tried. Could you please start?

You talk about scum motivations and you ignore blatant scum motivation and push something townies do.

[Jake from State Farm]

Ok let's try this wisdom you said farmer faked a scum read on kts. Please explain how you know it was faked outside of your own opinion. Like can you prove it was faked?

You also think his reason about asking for a claim at L-4 was bad but that again as I already established that is your opinion.

Those are really your main selling points for farmer.

Now snarky did something that has actually been proven in the game AND he also did something that farmer did.

So we have 2 opinions vs 1 fact and 1 opinion yet you want people to ignore the proven scummy thing and focus on something that isn't proven?

How does that make sense exactly? It doesn't. So don't accuse me of not trying when you are the one who's ignoring facts and proven scummy behavior.


Another thing, you talk about motivations. There was no town motivation for snarky to lie when questioned. There absolutely was scum motivation.

People REALLY need to be voting snarky if they care about catching scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

My point is that I'm Town so there's no strategic reason for me to have declared V/LA so you can put the ruler down and stop comparing sizes, Jake.

2 days since this and you claim your actions aren't reportable?

mod can you please replace maestro?

He is only gone for "1 day 15 hours" . he is not in the prod range. and I will w8 24 hours after prodding to replace people.

But prod dodge after prod dodge and no actual content should be a blatant violation of the rules. If I was a mod I wouldn't tolerate such blatant disrespect

I don't have any responsibility for people content. Active Lurking if thats the case , won't be tolerated with force replacement.

[Jake from State Farm]

It's been 10 days since maestro had a relevant post and that's being generous

[Jake from State Farm]

so you are saying that a town aligned player who didn't remember something would make up stuff instead of just admitting he didn't remember?

You talked about scum motivation earlier. There is scum motivation for making stuff up. There is no town motivation.

If you are town you just admitted you have no business playing the game of Mafia.

[Jake from State Farm]

Also why are you putting words into snarky' mouth? I'm pretty sure he never claimed to forget why he had his town reads.

[Jake from State Farm]

A search of snarky's iso doesn't show him using the word forgot or forget. The word remember appears once and it's inside a quote.

So why exactly are you putting words in Snarky's mouth?

P.edit - fine but what's the town motivation for making stuff up?

[Jake from State Farm]

so you are saying that a town aligned player who didn't remember something would make up stuff instead of just admitting he didn't remember?

yes

Once again, things are not absolute. Town can even claim scum and still be town.

If you honestly believe this to be true then you can't use it as a basis to lynch farmer. It's a 2 way street.

Snarky v farmer, hands down snarky is scummiest

[Jake from State Farm]

Town isn't afraid to do that. Town doesn't make stuff up instead. Sorry you lose

[Jake from State Farm]

If you honestly believe this to be true then you can't use it as a basis to lynch farmer. It's a 2 way street.

I can, because I don't buy farmer's actions as town-motivated

Ok your opinion vs fact. Fact wins every time. Vote snarky

[Jake from State Farm]

Wisdom gets served by Jeanne but still votes farmer?

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake, if Jeanne managed to get past her bias and vote farmer there's still hope for you too. Come on

[Jake from State Farm]

If farmer flips town it'll be your loss. Vig (if we have one will shoot you) and if not you'll be lynched.

[Jake from State Farm]

If farmer flips scum it'll really be just dumb luck

[Jake from State Farm]

Wisdom gets served by Jeanne but still votes farmer?

Well, read the wall I made. In one of his posts, he basically gave us permission to lynch him tomorrow if farmer flips town.

So you compromise your integrity? Smh

[Jake from State Farm]

If farmer flips scum it'll really be just dumb luck

Or, it will be me catching him and you not understanding my arguments

You arguments that aren't scummy and more likely to be done by town over my arguments that are more likely to be done by scum.

Dumb luck unless you are bussing like a champ

[Jake from State Farm]

This is hands down the most idiotic day phase. I'd never thought I'd see the day where a player gets lynched for doing things that look
Pro town and has a wagon full of people who just blindly sheeped 1 person. Mafiascum has officially gone to shit

[Jake from State Farm]

What farmer has done doesn't look protown, Jake. You are just biased against me. If someone else argued it you'd listen.

You obviously don't know me that well. I don't care who argues it, the things you have said farmer has done I've literally seen townies do it. The things snarky did, I've probably never seen a townie do.

Townine say they don't remember when they don't remember. Scum make up lies.

P.edit - it's obvious looking at his reads this game, wisdom flips a coin and tunnels on somebody until he gets bored or backed into a corner and flips another coin wisdom is two face from the batman movie

[Jake from State Farm]

I've considered it.

No you haven't. Cause using the same logic you are using to say snarky is town if you applied to farmer you would at least concede he's null.

You essentially said townies and scum can do what snarky did, but you say only scum can do what farmer did which is complete BS

[Jake from State Farm]

Because it's impossible that you have misunderstood me and I'm actually better at reading people than you, right? It has to be me flipping coins.

You called me scum when I'm not so you have proven you can't read people for shit. I'm willing to bed I could find 25 to 50 examples where you called somebody scum and were wrong.

[Jake from State Farm]

I'll move to wisdom if others will see his hypocrisy and join in also

[Jake from State Farm]

I then realized you are town, so evidently I am not that bad.

Besides, if that's a valid argument, then you too have called me scum and keep calling me occasionally, and I'm not, so :/

No your read changed on me when Jeanne backed you into a corner. You were obviously trying to keep her on your good side. You must fear her or something. Idk your history but you definitely seem afraid of Jeanne

[Jake from State Farm]

I then realized you are town, so evidently I am not that bad.

Besides, if that's a valid argument, then you too have called me scum and keep calling me occasionally, and I'm not, so :/

And yes you are scum. Snarky is 100% and you are probably 95%

[Jake from State Farm]

You don't want to work with me, so keep assuming what you will

Don't forget to call me lucky when farmer's alignment becomes known either by flip or endgame

Why would I work with scum? Even if you aren't scum why would I work with a person who a bunch of occasions proven he didn't want to work with anyone else? A person who out right refused to answer questions from at least 3 different players?

This is why I say you should quit Mafia if you are town. Town need to figure out who each other are and work together. You don't care about working together and only care about your own personal ego. It's anti-town, it's playing against your win condition and it's scummy as fuck

[Jake from State Farm]

You haven't tried to reason with me unless your reasoning is "the stuff you say, town can do but the stuff I say only scum can do"

Yeah bullshit

[Jake from State Farm]

If you used your own logic that you used to say snarky is town and applied it to your own reasons, you would not be so sure of yourself.

Now since you wouldn't be so sure of yourself, if you were town you would WANT and EXPECT everyone else voting farmer to provide their own feedback. But nobody has. Everyone voting farmer besides you is a sheep vote.

If you were town this would worry you. It doesn't though.

[Jake from State Farm]

Btw looking at your game summaries on your wiki, you aren't actually as good at reading people as you claim in this game.

[Jake from State Farm]

It is not worrying me. I realize farmer is a manipulative scum and not everyone can understand at a glance he's scum like I do. Nobody did when I caught scum in my last town games.

And here it is. You got lucky in a game or so and think you are gods gift all the time. I've done the same thing. Put your ego aside Mr. I scum read some Mason's and VT in a game and in another I got townies lynched.

Put your ego aside.

[Jake from State Farm]

You do reason that the only reason im forced to defend him is because of the lack of reasons for him right? Did you forget that he's been a sort of scum read of mine since day 1. The only reason I never voted him is because I can't find any hard evidence (to which I've basically said already)

His earlier posts felt swarmy to me, but the things you are accusing him of either are your own personal opinion that I don't see how you came to that conclusion or things I have actually seen town do and even I personally agree with.

I'm worried that NOBODY besides you can provide a reason for why farmer is scum, and yours aren't even that good.

So this has nothing to do with my ego. This has everything to do with what feels right. If nobody can make a case on a person, odds are that person probably isn't scum and NOBODY can make a case for farmer, at least nobody has made one yet. What you have posted is the closest thing and I disagree with it, I don't see scum motivation behind some of his actions.

So who's got the ego? Certainly not me

[Jake from State Farm]

*You do realize *

[Jake from State Farm]

Gut to scum read people
Case to get them lynched

Never lynched somebody solely on gut, never seen town even agree to lynch somebody because of one persons gut. Everyone even scum pretending to be town asks for a case or reasons.

[Jake from State Farm]

Of course it will be. But that's how this game has been played for years. I'm never going to follow somebody's gut, I'll follow my own. For me to ignore my own gut and follow somebody else I need very good reasons.

Unfortunately you haven't even posted mediocre reasons so I'll never follow you. add in the fact that day one you refused to answer questions from at least 3 people, you clearly aren't on the same team as me.

[Jake from State Farm]

Right did you not see what I said?

Gut to scum read
Case to lynch

I'm not able to make one on farmer. I'm able to make one on you and snarky

I'm doing exactly what I said

[Jake from State Farm]

Yes you are coasting. Stop it

[Jake from State Farm]

So do something. Are you really ok with a compromise lynch on someone you haven't even given a reason for why they are scum. A person who you used to town read just cause he's the alternative to you? That's weak sauce if you are town.


You have tunneled on maestro since page 1 and I don't see you trying to get your other scum reads lynched

[Jake from State Farm]

vote: wisdom

[Jake from State Farm]

Wisdom nobody cares about anything you have to say anymore.

[Jake from State Farm]

Pretty sure after yesterday's debacle i won't be the only one with that opinion

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm not biased.

[Jake from State Farm]

Ok

[Jake from State Farm]

of course i'm still here, I ain't going nowhere

[Jake from State Farm]

What I meant is that Jeanne wasn't the only one discussing annoyingly with Wisdom.
Got an opinion on me wanting to lynch Maestro-slot?

why you would want to waste time on maestro slot when we know the final 2 scum are wisdom/snarky is beyond me.

wisdom was afraid of jeanne so it's no surprise why he killed her.

[Jake from State Farm]

I have never heard anyone other than you call her a VI. It's also pretty disrespectful to badmouth somebody who can't defend themselves.

you proved you were scared of her when you backed down to her pressure. you can deny it all you want but your actions already proved it.

[Jake from State Farm]

And wow, I lynched one town, must mean I have to change my style that has worked for 3 years. Yeah

48.5% win rate is what you consider working? must be nice to have low standards

[Jake from State Farm]

You did back down to pressure from her. You can deny it but the evidence is there in plain view for the world to see.

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake is town, Jeanne. Maestro isn't.

here.

after Jeanne was pushing you over multiple posts to explain yourself about why I was scum, you do a 180 out of the blue and say I am town.

[Jake from State Farm]

I've been reading farmer and I have reason to believe he jailed Maestro N1 because he was quite defensive of him Day 2. However, the way he talked to Jeanne makes me think he knew she was town, he's trying to reason with her in a way you wouldn't do if it was a scumread.
Farmer, why you never claimed
Ok, not lynching Maestro-slot today. Wisdom, I'd like you to ignore any comments made on your playstyle. Jake, I want to ask from you to only comment on the alignment indicative shit Wisdom does. Make thisgame fun again!

UNVOTE: My vote has made its point now. Going to read up on things but for now
VOTE: Snarky

you want to make this game fun again? vote wisdom

he's scum

[Jake from State Farm]

yeah I remember that post and I explained how if you were town ANY SCUM would leave you alive, not just maestro. so that was a really shitty reason to do a 180

[Jake from State Farm]

2 more

[Jake from State Farm]

@jake, for you is this a plynch or a scumlynch?

Scum lynch. Have you not been paying attention?

[Jake from State Farm]

@jake
why is Wisdom scum or bad for refusing to vote "obvious scum" when there are like 11 other other people also not voting for "obvious scum"?

Kush, I've been scum reading wisdom since way back here

[Jake from State Farm]

How is he confirmed scum?

[Jake from State Farm]

@jake, for you is this a plynch or a scumlynch?

Scum lynch. Have you not been paying attention?

That's what I thought.
So you think the person who is most invested in the game is mafia? The person who is most invested in the game is never mafia and you should know that.

I'm always most invensted in every game I play. Scum or town so that logic doesn't work

[Jake from State Farm]

I thought that was the obvious interpretation why is nobody voting him??

For someone narrow minded maybe.

People on this site like to fake claim all kinds of things so none of his claims are probably legit. Doesn't mean he's confirmed scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

@jake, for you is this a plynch or a scumlynch?

Scum lynch. Have you not been paying attention?

That's what I thought.
So you think the person who is most invested in the game is mafia? The person who is most invested in the game is never mafia and you should know that.

I'm always most invensted in every game I play. Scum or town so that logic doesn't work

Add to this. I've played plenty of games where at least 1 scum was most invested.

Plus you can say what wisdom has done this game as being invested. He's posted a lot but says very little actual content. He dodges questions, doesn't explain himself, and tells people to go back and read if they claim they don't see what he's saying.

[Jake from State Farm]

What.

You've spent all game lecturing people about how "town does this" and "town does that" yet now you're completely fine with town fakeclaiming?

I didn't say I'm fine with it but it doesn't make a person "confirmed scum" either.

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake, talk to me about Firebringer/Aristo more. What's your read there?

Town cause scum are already caught. They just need to be lynched.

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake you're just as annoying as Wisdom.

how so? I have 2 scum reads (and both are near confirmed from my pov) and have given multiple reasons for them so that means by default everyone else is town.

idk what you want from me

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake you're just as annoying as Wisdom.

how so? I have 2 scum reads (and both are near confirmed from my pov) and have given multiple reasons for them so that means by default everyone else is town.

idk what you want from me

[Jake from State Farm]

That's a cool excuse. Now give an actual read.

this directed at me? I have given reads and reasons behind them so you can't be talking to me

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm talking to you, Jake. Nobody is confirmed and you have no excuse dodging giving reads like that.

I didn't dodge anything and I gave reads so lol @ you

[Jake from State Farm]

idk what you want from me

You can respond to this:

so the fb doc claim was right before eod?
why would the real doc claim there. it's clear wifom.

why would I respond to a rhetorical question?

if we had a doc in this setup, they would't claim at that point so it's probably wifom hoping to draw a nk or something. who knows

I never understood the motive behind people who lie when it is completely unnecessary

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm talking to you, Jake. Nobody is confirmed and you have no excuse dodging giving reads like that.

I didn't dodge anything and I gave reads so lol @ you

You're not explaining why FB is town. "Because I have two scumreads" is not an explanation.

1. nobody asked me to explain why I am town reading FB
2. even if somebody did, I am under no obligation to explain my town reads only my scum reads
3. are you seriously going to talk to sit there and act all high and mighty when you have basically avoided explaining reads all game long?

seriously go take a long walk off a short pier scum

[Jake from State Farm]

2A - because I have 2 scum reads IS actually a good explanation thank you very much

[Jake from State Farm]

Sorry sir you lost the right to criticize anyone's play after the previous day phase.

I play my way, don't care if you or anyone else thinks it stupid.

[Jake from State Farm]

I don't have any strong townreads. My strongest townread is dead.

And yes now you know how the reevaluation process works. You have a read on somebody, that's proven wrong so you have to reevaluate.

Congratulations

[Jake from State Farm]

No I'm not bad and I'm not scum either. Am I Stubborn? Sure. Do I play different than most people? Sure that's obvious.

[Jake from State Farm]

An even better question. Why isn't wisdom swinging from the gallows yet?

[Jake from State Farm]

Well that's good news cause you aren't town

[Jake from State Farm]

you are also not a man of integrity.

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm not discussing shit until wisdom is hanging. He even offered himself up if he was "wrong" about farmer and I'm going to make sure he gets what he has coming to him.

So many people offer these 1 v 1 cause they know nobody will actually go for it. They make up excuses like "scum wouldn't do that" which is utter horseshit cause scum does do it.

Nothing about wisdom's play resembles town. His motives are all scum motivated and look what happened. He got the JK lynched.

So lynch him and let him eat the shit sandwhich he fucking deserves.

[Jake from State Farm]

This is Jake's ISO from that game for whoever cares. He scumread me all game in a similar fashion, though the bullheadness is missing from that game.

Trying to distract people with a game that means nothing. I could find 5 or 6 more where I do the exact same thing. I can find games where I do it as town, and games I do it as scum.

It just proves I'm consistent

[Jake from State Farm]

@FB why did you fake claim doc and BP?

[Jake from State Farm]

Snarky, don't get me wrong your vote is on the right person but I'm curious why did you vote him?

[Jake from State Farm]

@FB why did you fake claim doc and BP?

[Jake from State Farm]

Is this a new playstyle where you just call posts scum and hope people don't call your bullshit?

He is actually doing what you have done this game. Why is it bad for him but ok for you?

[Jake from State Farm]

Gotta say though. Wisdom wagon is bad.

No it really isn't.

[Jake from State Farm]

We've had a VI who refused to play and just argued with me because she disliked me.
We've had a tunneler who's content to townread people because he thinks he has solved the game.
We've had two quickhammers without claims from two different people, in both cases without a scumread driving it.

And I'm the anti town town that deserves a PL somehow?

Yes,except you actually aren't town

[Jake from State Farm]

Let's.

Vote:Snarky

FB join us.

Jake do so as well.

Anyone else feel free to do as well.

I'm not voting anyone else but wisdom #SorryNotSorry

[Jake from State Farm]

Yes I do but I'm not letting wisdom off the hook. He derailed snarky yesterday, he offered up the 1 v 1 with farmer, farmer flipped town so it's time he gets what he asked for.

Plus I'm not voting anyone wisdom votes even if it is a bus.

Wisdom sits there and criticizes people for playing the exact same way that wisdom has played and he's basically turning this game into shit. He's proven he's not town over and over again and yet people still can't see it. He has to go today. It's what he himself said he was ok with so let's not fight it any longer.

[Jake from State Farm]

Not my problem. Don't say things you don't mean.

Wisdom needs rope. I've seen scum weasel out of getting lynched and ended up winning the game, that's exactly what's going to happen if he doesn't get lynched today.

[Jake from State Farm]

And what happens when I flip town and you end up in mylo, Jake?

Well you aren't going to flip town so stop wasting my time with dumb questions

[Jake from State Farm]

Also, it is completely your problem - you are failing to properly analyze simple things as me trying to make a VI that can't be reasoned with vote with me. Hell, you even doubt Jeanne's status as a VI in order to push your point, something that is a sidewide fact.

You ignored GOOD reasons why somebody was scum and pushed your own TERRIBLE reasons and basically annoyed the hell out of everyone until they just blindly sheeped you. You tried to say that snarky's actions could have town motivation but absolutely refused to consider farmer's could.

That isn't town play plain and simple. You also refused to explain yourself all of day one and you falsely accused people of things that just weren't true. Again these are things town doesn't do

So if you are town this game, you brought this on yourself. I seriously doubt you are town though cause there hasn't been a single thing you have posted that looks to come from town trying to lynch scum or even town with a mindset of trying to find scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

Except I am no matter how much you try to tell yourself otherwise

Cool story bro.

If you flip town they will use your play as an example of how not to play on the wiki site

[Jake from State Farm]

you have at least 3 people who don't think you are town.

[Jake from State Farm]

my play has been pretty good thanks. I used proper scum hunting methods and found 2 people who are most likely scum. I have provided multiple reasons for each and nobody has really done a good job disputing them (tbh nobody has even tried to dispute any of them with the exception of you on snarky where you confirm you are a hypocrite), even the people who are accused of scum. Am i right or wrong? no clue but the reasons are very good and damn near air tight.

you on the other hand has done absolutely no scum hunting. Have provide almost no reasoning for any of your reads, and tunneled/strong armed a lynch on a townie for almost no reasoning what so ever.

nothing from you could even remotely be considered town play

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm done talking with you. You aren't going to admit you are scum and I am not going to change my vote. I will just prod dodge until this day ends unless somebody other than wisdom asks me direct questions. If wisdom isn't lynched today I will probably just replace out because I don't really have the energy to sit through another day phase with wisdom.

[Jake from State Farm]

It will really help the game too. Tunnels where you don't want to listen to reason are not healthy for anyone.

you would know right? farmer was the victim of one of those "tunnels where you don't want to listen to reason"

problem is nobody has given any reason why you are town or why I am wrong about you so I am not guilty of ignoring anything.

[Jake from State Farm]

truth hurts doesn't it? because that is exactly what you did yesterday with farmer and if you were town you would have at least conceded that and idk, maybe apologized or show some remorse or something.

The best way to help this game is for you to just sit back and get lynched. You are scum, in fact I think right now you are the scum mvp. Do you actually have a scum role pm? that I can't tell you until you flip but everything that I have seen from you indicates you must have a scum role pm. I can't possibly imagine all of this is coming from somebody from a town role pm.

[Jake from State Farm]

Today's lynches should be wisdom or snarky. if somebody has a better person you better make one hell of a case because so far nobody has provided anything.

[Jake from State Farm]

Wisdom, I am curious about something. Yesterday when I was trying to get Snarky lynched you said there was town motivation behind all of the things snarky had done. Now you are voting him. Why the 180?

[Jake from State Farm]

There's a huge difference between being on a lynch of a townie and basically railroading the entire day phase trying to get somebody lynched. But shocker you don't see the difference. You basically made it impossible for anyone else to get lynched yesterday. You went so far as offered yourself in a 1 v 1 even.

Huge differences

[Jake from State Farm]

And way to dodge yet another question

[Jake from State Farm]

lol snarky went on v/la after bussing his partner. Well played snarky

[Jake from State Farm]

Why is wisdom not in your scum pile?

[Jake from State Farm]

He's given almost no reasons for his scum reads. The reasons he gave for farmer weren't townie reasons

Like are you not reading this game at all?

[Jake from State Farm]

Did you not see my arguments when I argued them? Yesterday? The reasons he gave are more likely to come from town rather scum. Being suspicious of somebody asking for a claim early is a townie reaction. The case he made that wisdom had issues with was a townie case. nothing wisdom said actually had any scum intent.

[Jake from State Farm]

But Jake, a case being wrong or bad doesn't make it scummy.

But you said he gave reasons for his scum reads when in fact he's only given reasons for one of them, the reasons were bad. So no reasons for all of his scum reads and the one he does were so terribly bad contradicts what you said that he's given reasons.

Sure being wrong doesn't make him scum but his refusal to explain reads, refusal to answer questions from multiple people, and his refusal to even consider town motivations for farmers actions, and even refusal to question how the wagon got so big without anyone else giving reasons for voting him all point to scum to me.

I see nothing from him that looks town.

[Jake from State Farm]

I wanted Snarky's explanation first before I did this but I don't know if it's coming anytime soon so I will just do it now so the game can leave this bullshit state.

I am a JOAT. N1 I vigged Dierfire. N2 I watched Firebringer, nobody visited him. I have one more action left.

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm not

[Jake from State Farm]

Sorry Jake, but this makes me conftown as noone is going to counterclaim the Dier kill. Time to exit the tunnel.

I'm not exiting shit.

You are clearly SK claiming joat

Suck it sucker

[Jake from State Farm]

vote snarky

Just ran being cheered on my many marines and I'm feeling patriotic and in a good mood. You guys have just witnessed a miracle.

[Jake from State Farm]

Damn typo.

[Jake from State Farm]

Well shit looks like I'm definitely blacklisting wisdom and wtf snarky. I'm lost now

[Jake from State Farm]

Yeah I actually think NL is the best option.

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm not voting for no-lynch. I want to discuss scumreads. The best play is to lynch scum, the next best play is to no-lynch. So how about we talk about who is scum, and if we can't agree we can still no-lynch. I'm not asking, btw, I'm telling.
I'm going to reread and post reads later. I suggest everybody does the same. I'm not suggesting btw, I'm telling.

sorry when we are in even numbers like this the best play is to always NO lynch and I hate no lynching but from a statistical stand point town has better odds with odd numbers.

today will most likely end with a NL. I also don't think anyone should say anything about who they are scum reading because that gives scum way to much advantage. Right now there is no clear cut town leader, there is nobody that is OMG SO OBV TOWN.

scum have to decide on their own who they can NK and who they think they can mislynch

vote: NL

[Jake from State Farm]

Why does it matter?

[Jake from State Farm]

I've got nothing

[Jake from State Farm]

it really does

[Jake from State Farm]

Well nobody is going to claim just because. And nobody is going to lynch someone for no reason so...

[Jake from State Farm]

Me neither

[Jake from State Farm]

So shiro claimed my role

I'm 1 shot bp

vote: shiro

[Jake from State Farm]

Now I actually have to read Jake's posts looking for contradictions. What a fucking pain.

Did either of you soft your role?

No. I never do That

[Jake from State Farm]

Part of me says that Mafia is Shiro and has a role cop so knew Jake was a rolecop.

You mean BP

[Jake from State Farm]

If he was really the BP he would actually have waited to claim last. Now idk which one of you is the partner but shiro is conf scum

[Jake from State Farm]

:grabs popcorn:

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm not scum shiro. I'm BP save the Schtick

[Jake from State Farm]

My feelings are officially hurt if Shiro is scum in this.

Well he is but didn't you just say he was role cop?

[Jake from State Farm]

So how do you explain that post, Shiro?

How could Jake have known that Firebringwr wasn't a bulletproof unless he wasn't himself a bulletproof? Do you think he spent ages thinking of a way to seamlessly integrate it into his posts?

Because doc claim and jailkeeper flipped maybe? Hell if I know.

Doc claim flipped? Wat?

[Jake from State Farm]

Didn't even think about that question being a veiled soft claim but how else would I have known fire was fake claiming unless I knew he was via my own role.

[Jake from State Farm]

I just said so.

Jailkeeper flipped and he claimed doc. Again none of my business of what you were thinking or planned. I just know you are scum

He claimed doc and BP before jk actually flipped.

[Jake from State Farm]

You said "or maybe I'm a BP "

@ shiro, yes I asked after the jk flipped but that still doesn't explain how I would have known he was fake claiming. I knew he wasn't either cause I was the BP

[Jake from State Farm]

If you say so

[Jake from State Farm]

fire isn't going to vote anyone if he's scum. He's going to wait til somebody else votes me and hammer. Shiro is scum, this should be a very easy day phase.

[Jake from State Farm]

I cc'd you cause you claimed my role. I don't really care what happens at this point but I'm obvious town and whoever is town votes me they are just stupid and deserves to lose.

[Jake from State Farm]

Totes, guilt trip people into thinking that they are stupid if they vote you.

Not gonna deny you played your game appearing town well but please you were miles away from being obvtowning like jeane or Wisdom.

As BP why did you never try to draw the kill?

I never softed being BP (that makes no sense) but recalling back more than once did I insist that Wisdom was town and people should lay off in an attempt to make scum possibly think I am investigative.

Jeanne maybe was townish but wisdom certainly wasn't. I thought I was trying to draw a kill actually. Pushing hard on scum is how to make yourself look like a threat. Turns out I was just wrong. At least I was active and searching for scum. You were lurking and did hardly no scum hunting at all. Even your scum buddy was calling out your inactivity. Plus there was a cheeky exchange between you and he that imo only comes from scum
Buddies.

You are scum bro. It's as obvious as the sun rises in the east and sets in the west. So yes if any townie votes me they deserve to be called stupid. I did more to progress the game than anyone else alive right now.

I really don't care anymore what happens at this point. Wisdom single handily ruined this game for me by playing so bad on purpose to the point of playing against his win condition just because he had an ace up his sleeve. It's dispicable, it's reportable (which I will be doing) and it's blacklistable (will also be doing)

[Jake from State Farm]

We get it fire. You don't want to bus shiro in lylo. Enough with the dramatics.

[Jake from State Farm]

For someone who doesn't care anymore Jake you are awfully present.

Dont be random fire, we have plenty of time.

I can't ignore games.

[Jake from State Farm]

You were lurking. Dier even called you out on it before he was killed. Your contribution to the game has been very minimal. You made no strong efforts to get anyone lynched and you basically just white knighted everyone you knew was town. That's very easy to do as scum.

Wisdom wasn't obv town and yes I thought he was the SK after he claimed because in no way did his play resemble town like not at all.

[Jake from State Farm]

Shiro's first "serious" vote was on masq for what has to be the stupidest reason to vote somebody ever. Declaring v/la in a random way.

Shiro's second "serious" vote was on me when he basically claims he knows wisdom is town and I should be lynched for my hammer on kill (scum can't even keep his facts straight cause I didn't hammer anyone) says he still prefer masq but really has no reasons for masq either

Shiro goes back to masq, still has provided no good reasoning for this tunnel. At least when I tunneled I have good reasons for mine. Mine make sense, mine are based of actual things people said/did

Shiro goes to snarky cause he says masq isn't happening, but shiro didn't even try to make masq happen. No strong push at all like I already said earlier. Shiro looks like he's just flying under the radar trying to avoid attention.

Changes later to farmer and says "I said one of the two could be scum earlier" but it took multiple times of me asking him for a link to where he said it to admit he didn't actually say it. This was a pure optimistic post by shiro and gets caught making yet another mistake.

Votes snarky again and this is the only time he really seems to make an effort trying to get people to join him.

Like I said, Shiro hasn't really done anything this game to help progress it and he did almost no scum hunting. His votes were either on unassuming people where he knew they would go nowhere or he slipped onto wagons with very little reasons.

Bottom line. He's scum

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake is and mistakingly thought I was an easy target to push.

Dude you claimed my role so of course I'm going to lynch you. Is that really all you got? Try harder scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

Why would a masq kill incriminate me? That makes no sense

[Jake from State Farm]

Why would a masq kill incriminate me? That makes no sense

Masq had said quite a few times one of you and Wisdom was scum.
And was heavily questioning you throughout the game.

When I'm scum I don't kill people who suspect me as scum, I kill
People impossible to lynch. I've even killed people town reading me which is probably stupid but whatever.

It's possible scum killed masq to set me up but I'm not worried about why masq was killed. I know when you compare the play between me and the person who faked my role hands down I'm town. shiro is so obviously scum, he hasn't done anything even remotely town minded all game.

[Jake from State Farm]

Idk why I'm even discussing things with you. It's obvious as hell you are Shiro's buddy.

[Jake from State Farm]

Much obvious, as much as Wisdom scum am I right?

Given his interactions with you today. Yes

Town wouldn't be all "oh shiro we are friends blah blah blah"

It's obvious his false dilemma here is he's hoping somebody else votes first so he can hammer me. Even the vote and quick unvote of you is so obvious. If he was town he would at least put some effort into making the right decision

Let's not also ignore his fake claiming town role cop and claiming you were role cop. Town doesn't do that shit

[Jake from State Farm]

Man this is seriously going to be longest game of Little Italy games I have played.

If you are town, prove me wrong here and put some effort into it. You aren't doing jack shit right now but messing around

[Jake from State Farm]

I don't care if you vote me. If you are town your play right now is atrocious

[Jake from State Farm]

And if you turn out to be town you just admitted to game throwing

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm not using ate. I'm speaking the truth.

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm not using any AtE thank you very much.

[Jake from State Farm]

Yea calling everyone who doesn't agree with you an idiot is totally not AtE

It totally isn't. Because it would be true.

[Jake from State Farm]

Lets assume you are town right now for sake of argument?

What do you gain by calling me bad?
What do you gain by saying that anyone calling you scum is terribad?

I mean you could be town, but this kind of mental manipulation is something I usually see from scum as of late, I think its a meta change.

I used to think only dicks were town, now, not so sure.

I don't gain anything from it. The only thing I gain really is knowing I'm playing a game where I say what I feel is the truth and if people don't like it too fucking bad.

[Jake from State Farm]

Everyone alive at this point could easily be scum. None of you all have even put in half the effort trying to find scum. Sure I was wrong but my reasonings weren't. Kts deserved his lynch, snarky did too and wisdom should have been lynch also.

Too many people dumbing down their town games so they can be better scum players (this one is directed at wisdom)
You can write it off as AtE if you want but everything I'm saying is how I honestly feel.

[Jake from State Farm]

Except it isn't.

You are not some paragon of towniness. You caught 0 scum and spent most of your time tunnelling Wisdom who is the only person that successfully killed scum, then when he flipped called it quits.

I am not saying I played an awesome town game but at least I don't have the audacity to call myself paragon of town play that anyone who doesn't see it is stupid.

You didn't play any town game cause you aren't town.

Yes I was wrong but you didn't catch any scum either. At least I put effort in to looking for scum. You didn't.

[Jake from State Farm]

Everyone alive at this point could easily be scum. None of you all have even put in half the effort trying to find scum. Sure I was wrong but my reasonings weren't. Kts deserved his lynch, snarky did too and wisdom should have been lynch also.

Too many people dumbing down their town games so they can be better scum players (this one is directed at wisdom)
You can write it off as AtE if you want but everything I'm saying is how I honestly feel.

And this is scummy.

You won't commit to a groupings. Or least likely pairings.
Its just EVERYONE IS POSSIBLE GUYS!

its protecting your teammate.

I've already committed to a pairing. It's you and shiro.

[Jake from State Farm]

At least Wisdom confidence and words came from the fact that he killed scum night 1.

You on the other hand has done nothing to justify such bs.

Yes I used my own scum hunting ability to justify actions. You didn't do any scum hunting at all so what's your excuse?

[Jake from State Farm]

All of the scum hunting I did in this game. I realize it may be hard for both of you to see considering you didn't do any yourself

[Jake from State Farm]

You shout tgat you are some sort of example of a person who doesn't dumb down their amazing town game yet did a pretty shitty job.

Actually I didn't do a shitty job at all and again at least I put in the effort and didn't make excuses like you just did.