STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

He also has two alliance powers, which should, on its own, be a scumclaim.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

As a final note, all scum have guaranteed safe-claims and roles that fit the flavor of these fake-claims. Do not try to flavor-game this setup.
Scum all have had their flavor crafted before I crafted any of the town roles--I have built this setup around scum having effective, believable safe-claims.
Flavor-claims are not anywhere near the sort of town-clear that you might expect from other games.
Furthermore, I have given scum measures to punish players who are attempting to flavor-game the setup. Claim flavor at your own risk.
We are here to play mafia rendered under the flavor of Steven Universe--I will have no pity for anyone who takes the flavor as a means to attempt to outguess the moderator.

It ain't flavor I am CCing. They got cute with the role fake.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

aka it's very unlikely SirCakez would make up a claim when he got a safeclaim (that Varsoon probably designed to not be counterclaimed).

Unless they felt his fake wasn't enough to save him.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

As well, if I'm allied everyone in the alliance gains bulletproof and the alliance will be able to chat at both Climax and Exposition.

SirCakez is permanently bulletproof? I don't think so.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

aka it's very unlikely SirCakez would make up a claim when he got a safeclaim (that Varsoon probably designed to not be counterclaimed).

oh. you thought Titus was accusing SirCakez of making up the claim?
i assumed she was saying that part of her role is the same or similar to SirCakez's, making him more likely scum to her. (as, in theory, town would have different roles?)
but i think it depends on the moderator.

Both.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

but he can make pro-town players BP.

Any scum an fakeclaim that, since they already know whom they are killing.

Just knew that the joy ride could target each other and could not be targeted by anyone outside the group.
I was aware of the voting everyone for the same player and getting an extra vote, which I hinted at.

So, why the resistance to voting obvscum? Wouldn't the rest of you get the power?

You really aren't reading my post.
I just stated what part of his claim was truth.

Tirus= delusional

I asked you question. Would your extra vote work if all of you voted Cakey? If so, why not vote him and be done.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

So, you're bribable to not vote scum by getting an extra vote to not vote scum with.

Pretty cut and dry. At least we know why you resisted lynching Cakey. You want power. That's what motivates you.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

So, you're bribable to not vote scum by getting an extra vote to not vote scum with.

Pretty cut and dry. At least we know why you resisted lynching Cakey. You want power. That's what motivates you.

Interpret please?

You see the extra vote, and you'll be scum's Townbeard for it.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I think I am done here.

SirCakey promises Farside that she can have a extra vote if they agree and he lives.
Farside townreads him and refuses to vote his scumreads and sticks to voting town.

Not exactly a far out conclusion to reach when Farside can usually justify her opinions.

It's sad what power makes people do.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

To be fair I don't care about the extra vote once it was clear cool dog was going to be unavailable

And you never questioned why Cakey wouldn't try to start a CoolDog train but focused on everyone else as lurking?

Hmm I wonder why that is.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Oh right, SirCakez is BP.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@NC, No one thinks they would change their reads for power, but they convince themselves by townreading the person who gives them the power. It's not far from that to sheepage of scum, especially when the ability requires it.

Skybird didn't have to sheep Cakey I believe.

Since Farside cannot see reality smacking her in the face, she needs to be shown what she's doing here.

When her sole justificationis I am delusional, which is the same line scum is pushing and completely ignores Mastina and RR, yes she does need to see what she's doing.

This is abnormal for Farside.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

ally with me on day 3 then.
or, OWK should ally with me. better yet, all three of us should ally on day 4. i'll make tea.

too early to determine my alliance yet.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@NC, No one thinks they would change their reads for power, but they convince themselves by townreading the person who gives them the power. It's not far from that to sheepage of scum, especially when the ability requires it.

Skybird didn't have to sheep Cakey I believe.

Since Farside cannot see reality smacking her in the face, she needs to be shown what she's doing here.

When her sole justificationis I am delusional, which is the same line scum is pushing and completely ignores Mastina and RR, yes she does need to see what she's doing.

This is abnormal for Farside.

i was speaking to both of you. this argument is not helpful. pick it up later, perhaps, but you aren't going to get anywhere now.
please trust me on this. i've gone through this situation too many times over

myself

in a single game.
or perhaps that makes me uniquely

unqualified

to talk about it. haha.
then again, you know each other personally, so perhaps i can't understand.

I refuse to write Farside off as unreasonable, I respect them too much.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@almost50, thoughts on me CCing Cakey?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Literally no one else has claimed BP?

Our alliance is semi BP
A few others hinted

That's because of me you dingus

Actually it's bc of BOTH of us. SC made us all BP, and I made us all immune to actions from outside the alliance (but unfortunately we also can't target anyone outside the alliance).

So, you've been double protected by this alliance, FB. This very alliance you've been treating like garbage!

Great, scum don't want to kill any of you because you've been that terrible.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@almost50, thoughts on me CCing Cakey?

i'm compelled to say i also overlap with Cakez somewhat.

we're all being very vague, so this means almost nothing. :>

And I am not rolefishing replying here.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Also I told cakez to do something he hasn't done and I hinted it would help him.
Scum not taking that offer I'm about 99% sure he's town.

He cannot because a) that's vague and b) he's scum and c) by you even making that offer, you would interpret anything he did as town. Either he changes in protown reads or he fails and you post this.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Hey I am replacing Seraphim. I will try to catch up as soon as I can.

Welcome, an SU game isn't complete without fuzzy.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I didn't see your post in the PT until just now farside, to be fair

And this is town.

Let's play let's make a deal Titus.
I'm feeling a bit pissy with you.
I feel you need to take your arrogance down a notch.
So here is my deal and it will be fair.
If I'm right you can't not only stop arguing day 2, you need to sheep my read day 2.
If your right I eat my words, call my reads bad and sheep you day 2.
Here is the thing, you don't comply I vote you and refuse to move till your dead.

And why should I deal with you? I don't mindlessly sheep and nor do you. Mindlessly Sheeping is Antitown as fuck. We get there by justifying our opinions and talking. It took this much to highlight Cakey's bribery to the hood. You mindlessly Sheeping, this never comes out.

You are basically Cakey's pawn and you want to justify voting town.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I didn't see your post in the PT until just now farside, to be fair

And this is town.

Let's play let's make a deal Titus.
I'm feeling a bit pissy with you.
I feel you need to take your arrogance down a notch.
So here is my deal and it will be fair.
If I'm right you can't not only stop arguing day 2, you need to sheep my read day 2.
If your right I eat my words, call my reads bad and sheep you day 2.
Here is the thing, you don't comply I vote you and refuse to move till your dead.

And why should I deal with you? I don't mindlessly sheep and nor do you. Mindlessly Sheeping is Antitown as fuck. We get there by justifying our opinions and talking. It took this much to highlight Cakey's bribery to the hood. You mindlessly Sheeping, this never comes out.

You are basically Cakey's pawn and you want to justify voting town.

Well ill just vote you day 2 then.

No. You won't or you'll wind up being a policy lynch. This is sad Farside. Knock off the my way or the highway. If you think Cakey is town, rather than trying to case anyone else. You are resigned to letting your townread die and voting another townread if right. That's asinine. Why the fuck would you think this is protown?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I didn't see your post in the PT until just now farside, to be fair

And this is town.

Let's play let's make a deal Titus.
I'm feeling a bit pissy with you.
I feel you need to take your arrogance down a notch.
So here is my deal and it will be fair.
If I'm right you can't not only stop arguing day 2, you need to sheep my read day 2.
If your right I eat my words, call my reads bad and sheep you day 2.
Here is the thing, you don't comply I vote you and refuse to move till your dead.

please stop.

please

stop this.
everyone is arrogant. being wrong on one read is not going to stop that. i thought so too, earlier. i don't feel like quoting the post but not a few days ago i used the phrase 'online whiplash' to refer to three players being wrong about a read on me. now i realize they would shrug it off, do some reevaluating, and continue on.

She (titus) isn't reevaluating her reads.

There's no flip to and you've provided no reason to. What else would I think?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

It ain't flavor I am CCing. They got cute with the role fake.

Titus, your conf!bias has come unbearable. Varsoon said he crafted the scum FAKE CLAIMS even before he wrote our town role PMs. You simply would NOT be able to counterclaim anything if SC was using a fake claim, FGS!

That's why I said they added more to the claim. I have a similar function as Cakey. You are unbearably circle jerking.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I am on a crazy train.
The only way off is if we lynch farside.

I still have a townread on Farside.

Cakey is scum by play.
I cced him.
He mysteriously has two alliance abilities.

Do the math.
He's scum.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I didn't see your post in the PT until just now farside, to be fair

And this is town.

Let's play let's make a deal Titus.
I'm feeling a bit pissy with you.
I feel you need to take your arrogance down a notch.
So here is my deal and it will be fair.
If I'm right you can't not only stop arguing day 2, you need to sheep my read day 2.
If your right I eat my words, call my reads bad and sheep you day 2.
Here is the thing, you don't comply I vote you and refuse to move till your dead.

please stop.

please

stop this.
everyone is arrogant. being wrong on one read is not going to stop that. i thought so too, earlier. i don't feel like quoting the post but not a few days ago i used the phrase 'online whiplash' to refer to three players being wrong about a read on me. now i realize they would shrug it off, do some reevaluating, and continue on.

She (titus) isn't reevaluating her reads.

There's no flip to and you've provided no reason to. What else would I think?

I've said I see things town from him.
In the PT.
All I saw here was a meta, the same thing over and over from you and mindless sheeping.


Your getting what you want out of this. I just hope you look back at this wagon and realize how awful some of these players sheeping and comments are.

Also on a side note since I did disband the alliance, I'd still like players to target me.

I am going to look at that if wrong, but you need to be open to the possibility you are wrong. It's easier to fool some than all. You should be re-evaluating your reads here. Like, you have systemically ignored engaging reasons for anything you do and just insult and deflect. I would be scumreading you but others in the past told me only town go toe to toe with me and get this frustrated.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Ohh I don't have a scumread on farside.
She just made 4 players who were BP into not BP.

That deserves a policy.

Ugh. I will need to chill on that. I am really convinced Farside is town and Cakey is like confscum. Can we get Cakey and talk about Farside tomorrow?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Ohh I don't have a scumread on farside.
She just made 4 players who were BP into not BP.

That deserves a policy.

Ugh. I will need to chill on that. I am really convinced Farside is town and Cakey is like confscum. Can we get Cakey and talk about Farside tomorrow?

Sorry no.

Are you townreading Cakey? No. We don't reward tantrums with lynching not Cakey.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

*throws hands up* how many excuses? I came here and posted while sick when I saw Cakey's claim, I could not remain quiet. But there's ten million excuses not to vote scum. Only so much I can do.

This is why the lord made preemptories.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I think I am done here.

SirCakey promises Farside that she can have a extra vote if they agree and he lives.
Farside townreads him and refuses to vote his scumreads and sticks to voting town.

Not exactly a far out conclusion to reach when Farside can usually justify her opinions.

It's sad what power makes people do.

You guys want monkey business? You got it!

As of NOW, Obi-Wan Kenobi & Farside22 are both demoted to SCUM LEAN.

Obi is so persistent to lynch the BP source, and farside has just decided to disband the event altogether. This tells me they're scum TOGETHER and have been faking it to find out who the source of all that shit was. They now know what my event did, and -additionally- have sabotaged it to no remedy. They also know SC's full role, and that's all scum needed to know.

I partially blame Mastina for early town reading farside (which I must admit has affected my read on her), but I mainly blame myself for my betrayal to myself. I had promised myself I will work individually in this game, and taking anyone's reads into account was a fatal mistake.

Also, Mastina: RR is TOWN, OBI has been playing them, not the other way around. I have seen this Titus ONCE before (in THIS game Blitz 26), but -fortunately- Ranger was there for the rescue.

I may need to reevaluate some of my reads later on, but scum are definitely to be found in TheFuzzylogic99, Not Chara, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Farside22, Creature & Shiro (that's the entire scum team OR 5 of them are scum and one is really bad town).

Done with this. These are the 6 lynches I'm willing to take all game long. Nobody else.

You fucker. You really are helping scum like holy shit. Stop with the desperation. Cakey's BP IS FAKE. HOLY SHIT.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

2) no I didn't do it for you fire. You bitched and moan too much. I did it because it was for myself. I don't really care. I just recalled you wanted a new ally and we're done with the pt. Titus seems to think we won't die tonight anyways, what you worried about?

I revealed like 40% of the contents of my role mostly under pretense that I was likely not going to be targeted because of BP protection.

So yes, I am ticked off that you took that away, and i don't care who Titus thinks is going to die, unless she is scum she has no idea who is going to die.

I'd be salty too.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Maybe I should just day vig Shiro.
That'd make me feel better.
What do you think a50?

Stop this nonsense Farside. Stop murdering town.

Mastina, help. This is getting out of hand.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

SirCakez: and they would knot it was fake... how? they would know you hadn't read farside's post through... ah, mind control, perhaps.
or the lie detector. were you afraid of that?
unlikely, but i'm just guessing at this point.

Titus: the bulletproof is not fake. you're pushing the wrong angle.
Firebringer: your personal feelings about farside (who you are not scumreading, but your own admission) should not be making you vote her.
farside: you are just as stubborn as Titus is.
Almost50: ...well. our hydra will be an interesting one, i can tell you that much.
someone stop me. i said i would leave an hour ago.

Then push the right one before Farside walks herself into a rope.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Firebringer: your personal feelings about farside (who you are not scumreading, but your own admission) should not be making you vote her.

Its really not that personal.
She did an extreme anti town thing.
She needs to go.

Its pretty simple.

Agreed. Farside cannot live until lylo. She just should be vigged and we lynch the confscum that cannot be vigged. I will fucking do it if I have to in order to get Cakey lynched.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Firebringer: your personal feelings about farside (who you are not scumreading, but your own admission) should not be making you vote her.

Its really not that personal.
She did an extreme anti town thing.
She needs to go.

Its pretty simple.

Agreed. Farside cannot live until lylo. She just should be vigged and we lynch the confscum that cannot be vigged. I will fucking do it if I have to in order to get Cakey lynched.

Why are you agreeing? You said sc was lying.

What you did WAS insanely anti-town. There were two scum in that hood. Those scum can now target anyone. Almost50 is now vulnerable to dumb vig.

SC is lying. That doesn't make your act protown.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Scum please nightkill me. Chara is making sense and probably being scum peacemaker.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I might just want them to be scum. Starting to doubt though NC scum though.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Yeah I'm pretty sure i have a greater shot to die then many others.

Outright lie. If you truly believed that, you would not have revoked the BP AND the isolation from the rest of players' actions from yourself. You were practically immune to all action but those coming from within the event.

You also disbanded shortly after you tricked me into confirming it was a 1-time event and that I had no more powers but my own vote. You had to make sure I could not do a repeat of the same event, only this time a different team. And if I could and I opted to include Cakez that would've been disastrous for you and your scum buddies. For what it's worth, you could be the one with extra powers you needed to use on someone outside the Joy Ride tonight, but found you couldn't while it lasted.

LYNCH SCUM PLEASE!

Yeah Farside is just engaging in denial and reflexive justifications. The same thing you are doing.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Btw, apologies due to

TheFuzzylogic99

IF their slot is town. The bad town -in this case- would be seraphim, not you.

Seraphim was fine. not active, but fine.

Where are your reads?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

So like are you going to explain your actions or is it all "whiners"

I'm being selfish.

Honestly. I really liked the group and then things seemed like they were getting misconstrued by you, the sc was getting pushed for a lynch and I thought this group has issues.
I figure sc will be lynched and Cooldog was such a nothing read I didn't want anything to do with the group.
I didn't know if the BP was true. I said exactly what we knew.
I'm not saying much more for role related reasons.

Great, the BP might not be true...someone is counter claiming Cakey, come on...

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

If the BP wasn't true, Cakey either gets lynched (ideal) or no scum in the group can do the Nightkill. So Cakey nor CooLDoG could kill Mastina or any of you. You enabled that.

If the BP isn't true, there's a counterclaim.

If the BP was true, then you should push your own scumread.

Instead, you make the game easier for scum.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Btw, apologies due to

TheFuzzylogic99

IF their slot is town. The bad town -in this case- would be seraphim, not you.

Seraphim was fine. not active, but fine.

Where are your reads?

at the moment? they feel like popcorn that hasn't been finished being made. every

pop

and i think they're settled. but whoops. there goes another one.

scum: SirCakez, Rational... Klingoncelt?
town: Almost50, Seraphim/fuzzy, OWK, farside, Firebringer, Snarky
i go back and forth: grapes (probably town), Creature (possibly town), McMenno (a shrug, personified), kraska (i think i based my townread on them on something silly in the hood with grapes)

i'm aware i haven't mentioned plenty of players. randomidget and TWIE, off the top of my head, i don't have reads on. mastin and Yume are being treated as confirmed town by me.

speaking of.
kraska: i'm no longer interested in allying with you.
i'm interested in allying with anyone on my townlist. but grapes will only let you ally me if you're scumreading me. just so you know. ;>

Take out Rational for now. Pretty please.
I agree with the town list with minor reservations on Kraska.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Take out Rational for now. Pretty please.
I agree with the town list with minor reservations on Kraska.

kraska isn't really town for me. if they were, i wouldn't have said i no longer wanted to ally with them.
the only player i want lynched at this time is Cakez. i'll

consider

Rational again once i've seen them post about recent developments. that is all.

Fair enough.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

My God you guys are making my head hurt. I'm torn on his claim. It sounds town, but Varsoon said scum have believable claims.

He also has two alliance powers, which should, on its own, be a scumclaim.

Why do you think two alliance powers is a scum claim?

And sorry, I have to sign off after this. It's been a long day and my head is pounding. I want to think this all over and read again in the morning.

It has never existed in the history of Varsoon games to have double powers in an alliance and have it be town. His response was to resign. Then Farside and Almost derping defend him.
The BP neighbor is to explain why Cakey should be kept alive.
The BP on himself is added to explain why scum don't shoot him.

It's really farcical.

Without the BP claim, Cakez ability sounds townish but would not be enough to save him.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

D - Farside is being an arrogant and wanted to prove just how incorruptible she was that she put zero thought into her action.

Don't get me wrong, my townread has softened and she cannot live until lylo, but that doesn't mean she has to be lynched over confirmed scum.

Farside isn't presenting any logical opinion on SirCakez because she doesn't want Cakey to be scum because she's too fucking proud.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Oh and if Farside knew my role, that would require psychic energies, and she'd likely be voting Cakey.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@almost, I am proud of your mental justifications to avoid SC being scum.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Spoiler:

I think I am done here.

SirCakey promises Farside that she can have a extra vote if they agree and he lives.
Farside townreads him and refuses to vote his scumreads and sticks to voting town.

Not exactly a far out conclusion to reach when Farside can usually justify her opinions.

It's sad what power makes people do.

You guys want monkey business? You got it!

As of NOW, Obi-Wan Kenobi & Farside22 are both demoted to SCUM LEAN.

Obi is so persistent to lynch the BP source, and farside has just decided to disband the event altogether. This tells me they're scum TOGETHER and have been faking it to find out who the source of all that shit was. They now know what my event did, and -additionally- have sabotaged it to no remedy. They also know SC's full role, and that's all scum needed to know.

I partially blame Mastina for early town reading farside (which I must admit has affected my read on her), but I mainly blame myself for my betrayal to myself. I had promised myself I will work individually in this game, and taking anyone's reads into account was a fatal mistake.

Also, Mastina: RR is TOWN, OBI has been playing them, not the other way around. I have seen this Titus ONCE before (in THIS game Blitz 26), but -fortunately- Ranger was there for the rescue.

I may need to reevaluate some of my reads later on, but scum are definitely to be found in TheFuzzylogic99, Not Chara, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Farside22, Creature & Shiro (that's the entire scum team OR 5 of them are scum and one is really bad town).

Done with this. These are the 6 lynches I'm willing to take all game long. Nobody else.

I did ask before I did it.

Yes you did, and we both said NO, and you said you were going to be selfish and still did it. You were going to it anyway, but hoped for us to go along with you so you won't be blamed for it (or maybe even blame it on us later on), but when we BOTH said we wanted to carry on with it YOU STILL DISMANTLED IT!

Agreed. I agree with you in all but the alignment conclusion Almost.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Before I sleep, I want some things answered when I wake up.

1) In the SC/A50 pt (not the Joyride), was there any indication of what SC has claimed?
2) In the joyride, was there any indication of what SC has claimed?
3) Why did you destroy the joyride Farside?

I'm having trouble understanding why FS would do what she did ( as town, it's dumb, and as scum it only makes sense if some critical role was in that joyride and needed to target outside of it...and even then it's still dumb), as well as reconciling SC'S claim that A50 knew about this all day with his claim of ignorance, while the rest of their joyride claims they were aware of the protection SC claims to be the source of.

And with that, good night.
-Cerb

i am almost

50

certain that all three of these were answered in the thread already.
when you wake up, please give your reads as they apply to recent events.
SirCakez was mistaken when saying Almost knew about this all day. he thought Almost had picked up on his hinting.
they knew about the protection. not that it was Cakez. Almost knew the vote ability was from Cakez. no one else did.

Almost is projecting his own ability onto Cakez.

Cakez BP works on an alliance.

Their hood is from an event.

Event =\= alliance.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

the longer the game goes on, the more time you have to gather information on who is town.
unless you have reason to believe mafia will nightkill or roleblock you, there was no reason to do it so soon.
if you had waited, your neighbourhood could have contained mastin and Yume, as an example.

I'm not sure if you have your own event to trigger, but those who do know there are conditions and also know there are ways for it to fail even if you try under when said conditions are met. I wanted mine to go through, and I trusted no one would be interested in blowing it to pieces when it was a D1 event. It was a "JOY RIDE" FGS. Now that farside has wrecked the car and even set it on fire, my dad's gonna kill me. I'll be grounded for the rest of the year.

I get the flavor reference

You just took me back to law school and made me pray for auto death.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Great, the BP might not be true...someone is counter claiming Cakey, come on...

The BP IS FARTING TRUE. It's just that I missed it. It did say we were not to be killed by conventional methods, and that isn't part of my own event's effect. That's not part of my own role either. It had to be someone else's role/effect, and I don't see counterclaims coming from either FB or farside. You can wait for the rest of your life for CD to show up and confirm it wasn't his either. Like, you're not reading at all!

Right, you missed it. It's you creating a world where Cakey is town when he us not.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

It's your event Almost. You did it. Not scum Cakey. Not CoolDog.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Great, the BP might not be true...someone is counter claiming Cakey, come on...

The BP IS FARTING TRUE. It's just that I missed it. It did say we were not to be killed by conventional methods, and that isn't part of my own event's effect. That's not part of my own role either. It had to be someone else's role/effect, and I don't see counterclaims coming from either FB or farside. You can wait for the rest of your life for CD to show up and confirm it wasn't his either. Like, you're not reading at all!

Right, you missed it. It's you creating a world where Cakey is town when he us not.

OWK, clear this up for me: are you saying if SCs role is what hes claiming, you believe he's town, but you just don't believe the claim...or do you not believe the claim, AND don't think it matters?

The language of you connecting A50's corroboration of SC'S claim with him being town makes this unclear to me.

-Cerb

1) SC BP is total fiction because I am the town BP interactor.

2) if it's real, he's scum because I am town.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

It has never existed in the history of Varsoon games to have double powers in an alliance and have it be town. His response was to resign. Then Farside and Almost derping defend him.
The BP neighbor is to explain why Cakey should be kept alive.
The BP on himself is added to explain why scum don't shoot him.

It's really farcical.

Without the BP claim, Cakez ability sounds townish but would not be enough to save him.

OK, let's put into test. He's still allied with ME, you know. Have the town vig shoot one of us. Easy!

Or we just lynch the lying son of a bitch and not play Russian roulette with your life.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Titus I highly doubt cakes is lying about making the alliance BP
Can you stop twisting the narrative to support your conclusion?

That's what you need to do. Cakez is obviously scum here. Yet you want to lynch Farside for being an ass.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

NC, I had read everything before I ever posted anything. That doesn't mean everything made sense snd thst there weren't things that need(ed) clarification.

How do you know who the town arguing with one another are? Whose discussions am I supposed to not take into account here?

-Cerb

Pedit: OWK, you're confbiasing. Moving the goal posts, etc. Earlier you said that he was lying about the bp, and counterclaimed him, and now that there's further evidence showing that you were wrong in your interpretation of the situation, you're saying it doesn't matter.

No. It didn't matter. He is probably lying but hoodwinked the hood. Even if he's not there's not likely more than one town BP.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Given that Almost50 has a stick up his ass, Farside imploded, Fire wants to lynch her for that implosion

And your issue is that I take a counterclaim to its logical conclusion? Holy shit RR.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

NC, I had read everything before I ever posted anything. That doesn't mean everything made sense snd thst there weren't things that need(ed) clarification.

How do you know who the town arguing with one another are? Whose discussions am I supposed to not take into account here?

-Cerb

Pedit: OWK, you're confbiasing. Moving the goal posts, etc. Earlier you said that he was lying about the bp, and counterclaimed him, and now that there's further evidence showing that you were wrong in your interpretation of the situation, you're saying it doesn't matter.

you asked a lot of questions that had already been answered, that's all. questions like 'is the joyride separate from the SirCakez/Almost50 alliance'. i understand forgetting, but it is there.
it's only town arguing here. the scum is SirCakez, the only reasonable one of the bunch.
Titus is wrong about SirCakez lying about his claim. she's correct on the read, but focusing on the wrong aspects.

Then help me turn them towards the right ones. If I am right for the wrong reasons, let me know WHY and help me. Help me lynch confirmed scum. I am not batting 100% here. I could use it.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

1) In the SC/A50 pt (not the Joyride), was there any indication of what SC has claimed?
2) In the joyride, was there any indication of what SC has claimed?

1) No. Absolutely not.
2) Not by SC's claim, but it was carved on the wall in the opening post and I misread/misunderstood the meaning, leading me to believe it was part of the isolation my event resulted in (i.e. thought their might be some way for someone to actually affect us from outside, but that would be one person. One particular role Varsoon would have designed to negate my event's effect. I should've known better bc I can't trigger it anymore, so -in retrospect- it didn't make sense to have a role especially designed to overcome a ONE NIGHT act/event)

It probably WAS part of your isolation event.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Event =\= alliance.

I don't know about that. In my role PM, my event is explicitly describes as an alliance. My event resulted in forming an alliance with the players I picked, and this "alliance" members could not affect nor could they be affected by actions from anyone outside it. So, yes.. my event was referred to as an alliance in my role PM. TWICE.

Fire corrected that. Is if Cakey is honest scum, he did make your group BP.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Given that Almost50 has a stick up his ass, Farside imploded, Fire wants to lynch her for that implosion

And your issue is that I take a counterclaim to its logical conclusion? Holy shit RR.

You were JUST in a game with *4* town BP's, with a total of 5 vests between them. I was in that game too.

That game didn't have a mechanic built in that would allow scum to *always* bypass BP. This game does. The counterclaim thing isn't as straightforward as it might be under other circumstances.

-Cerb

pedit: A50 please answer the other question. The one that will finally sort all this crap out.

Right, and the chunk of us were TOLD that others would be BP upon death. There was no notice of a second BP here. Nor should there be.

Cakey is scum by play which Mastina, NC, myself and others highlighted. You were the first to say he resigned. He resigned in response to my CC. It is that black and white.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

here is the entire conversation. i don't think i missed anything. i tried not to repeat posts by grabbing the larger quotes with multiple replies in them.

Spoiler: quotes

Also I told cakez to do something he hasn't done and I hinted it would help him.
Scum not taking that offer I'm about 99% sure he's town.

I didn't see your post in the PT until just now farside, to be fair

I didn't see your post in the PT until just now farside, to be fair

...who are you trying to be fair to, SirCakez? should farside not be townreading you? is town!you really in a position to be telling those townreading you... to not do it for this reason.

i'm having trouble articulating myself. how do i explain that this post is exceptionally scummy?

To everyone, but mainly farside
I don't want her to townread me over something I didn't do? That would be the real scum move there.
She's already townreading me anyway.
P-edit: I thought you did from when you acknowledged my softing earlier ffs

I didn't take the "real scum move" and that makes the post exceptionally scummy?
Pls translate

you advertised the fact that you didn't take the real scum move.

So you're saying
If I had taken the real scum move it would have been scummy
If I didn't take the real scum move it would have been scummy

????

you're acting as if there are only two options. you could have corrected her in your neighbourhood, or corrected her by saying 'actually, i haven't read that post in the hood yet'.
instead you said 'to be fair' then acknowledged that you avoided the scummy option.
:>
who said that not correcting her would have been scummy? you said that. if she's already townreading you, what does it matter if she's wrong about that one thing? what does it matter if other players misinterpret and also think you, the town, are town? this is all from the hypothetical perspective of you as a town player.

that humble 'to be fair' says a whole lot.

Why would I respond to a post she made outside the hood in the hood?
Its pretty obvious that taking fake towncred would be perceived as scummy

<snipped.>
you're acting as if there are only two options. you could have corrected her in your neighbourhood, or corrected her by saying 'actually, i haven't read that post in the hood yet'.
instead you said 'to be fair' then acknowledged that you avoided the scummy option.
:>
who said that not correcting her would have been scummy? you said that. if she's already townreading you, what does it matter if she's wrong about that one thing? what does it matter if other players misinterpret and also think you, the town, are town? this is all from the hypothetical perspective of you as a town player.

that humble 'to be fair' says a whole lot.

Why would I respond to a post she made outside the hood in the hood?
Its pretty obvious that taking fake towncred would be perceived as scummy

yes, it is. that is, again, my point.

who were you worried was going to scumread you for taking the fake towncred?

Varsoon?

The town?

LOL OBI STILL PUSHING THAT THE BP IS FAKE DESPITE 4 PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO CONFIRM IT
keep trying

SirCakez: and they would knot it was fake... how? they would know you hadn't read farside's post through... ah, mind control, perhaps.
or the lie detector. were you afraid of that?
unlikely, but i'm just guessing at this point.

Lie detector, the fact I didn't post in the PT until after farside made her comment which farside could have noted, etc
The fact you think I should have just ignored it and lied about it is super duper questionable

SirCakez: and they would knot it was fake... how? they would know you hadn't read farside's post through... ah, mind control, perhaps.
or the lie detector. were you afraid of that?
unlikely, but i'm just guessing at this point.

Lie detector, the fact I didn't post in the PT until after farside made her comment which farside could have noted, etc
The fact you think I should have just ignored it and lied about it is super duper questionable

i wasn't expecting you to agree with me on the lie detector. that was kind of a stretch. guilty conscience? ;>
i'm just messing with you.
so you were:
(a) worried about being lie detected
(b) worried about farside, who expressed a VERY strong townread on you, noting that you did something that could possibly be viewed as lying, if she decided to find it suspicious. i mean. her post was absolutely a conclusion. did you think she was reaction testing you? you should have said so earlier.

my conclusions are all implied in my posts, but i am more than happy to speak of them in plain terms.

this is not the only cause for scum SirCakez. it's an addition.
maybe i was jumping at shadows. i'd like feedback. if i made an error here, it was inflating the importance of some of Cakez's wording. 2877 is what made me want to go from 'probing for more scum evidence' to 'this is really very scum, isn't it'.
it's this sense i get as he played today. Titus called it resignation earlier, which is apt.

Bah.

Let me add.

When I CCed Cakez, he said, well I guess you're scum. Resignation.
When RR cased him, he resigned.
When Nc pushed him, he resigned.

Claims are meant to sound good.

Lynch the scum, before I puke.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

We have a whole fucking list of conftown/obvtown

Mastina, Yume, Firebringer, myself, A50, Grapes, KTS

Let's stop bickering, lynch SC already.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Got caught up. So this is silly and I have no idea what is wrong with you people. Cerberus I get because his bar for when he will vote for and push someone is calibrated way too high, especially on day one.

Cerberus basically deconstructed SirCakez and SC's resposne was to basically run up a white flag and surrender. This is as open and shut as it gets.

VOTE: SirCakez

Can some people please de-ass their heads?


@Mastin - I had an evisceration of you worked up in a draft, but I'm not going to post it. Instead I'm going to tell you that you're wrong about us and you need to re-assess. You yourself said that we rock when we're doing our thing (in reference to SU) and we're doing our thing. Cerb and I have already written a novel length amount in our discussions, and that's with him being more restricted in his new job and me dealing with a stage 2 decubitus Ulcer (Google at your own risk). You initially thought my push on Firebringer was bad or something (only reason I recall you ever giving for a read on us). Now go look at my day ones and you'll see me push people for things that catch my attention a lot. Sometimes they're town; sometimes they're not. The point is that it's

precisely

what I do, despite your assertion to the contrary. Furthermore, just

ISO Firebringer

for yourself ... I rest my case. Something's WAY off on that slot, and it hasn't gotten any better (apart from him dropping the nasty attacks, but I credit that to Varsoon's intervention).

I'm fairly confident given Cerb's work in making the case and the way SC responded to it that if we can get that lynch through he'll flip scum, and I think you had SC in your early scum pool, so good on you if we're both right. But you didn't give the rest of us any reason to follow you. Basically your entire ISO is your ego and you being snide or sarcastic or both, and I can only assume that's because you stumbled into being basically conftown; you don't behave like normally in my experience. None of it is what I would expect from an essentially confirmed town player of your caliber. You can do way better. There's no reason that you have wasted the day away with nonsense instead of giving people reason to believe you and follow you.

A few things you should consider:

1.) Titus reading me as town is tantamount to a verified miracle. This is like some Mother Theresa healed me of cancer level miraculous. She's told you repeatedly that she has really strong reasons. You should listen to her. She has seen a ton of stuff from us that you haven't (and you won't until post game unless we somehow end up conftowned and you ally us so we can talk safely).

2.) I'm working on the assumption that we've got scum in SC and just need to get enough people to read Cerb's case or just sheep us or you or both of us or whatever. That's going to lower stress more. We can't trigger our event (Beach-a-palooza) without stress being at +1 or higher. The only way we can pop it tonight is if we're wrong about SC and there is a town death and no scum deaths at night, in which case the event will trigger and you'll see the full details when exposition phase starts tomorrow. (We checked with Varsoon and we can attempt to trigger it and if the stress condition is not met it simply does't happen and we don't lose it).

3.) Read my ISO. Titus revealed what I believe to be the least useful thing about our event. I revealed what I believe to be the most useful thing. There's other things. I'm not going to elaborate for obvious reasons.


From where I sit (I haven't stood in decades; bad joke, I know), you're super confbiased when it comes to our slot. You seem to think that we (ME mostly, since Cerb was opposed to sharing info with Titus hydra at all) somehow hoodwinked Titus into believing we're town. That's a laughable supposition for many reasons, but whatever. As soon as we trigger our event, you'll see why we have been cryptic about it, and you'll also realize why it's a strong reason to believe we're town just for setup spec reasons. Add to that the fact that Titus told you she is town reading us because of our PLAY, and you should have enough to realize you need to reassess.

As far as I'm concerned, we will become obvtown and killed pretty quickly once we trigger our event because once it's obvious we're town, only a scum team holding idiot balls would leave us alive. I also expect that you're going to be protected (unless town protective roles are holding idiot balls), so you should be around and let's just say I have a hunch that you'll be on the receiving end of the cool thing our event does. At that point, if you somehow still haven't shaken yourself out of confbias, then God help us this game.

~Drixx, with love and chocolate chip cookies.


P.S. - I predict that if we get this wagon to actually go and if we're right and SC flips scum, Mastin will ignore the fact that it was Cerb who invested the time to actually make a case and force SC to respond with what can only be viewed as "I surrender" and brag and gloat. It's a shame, but I'm sure a bunch of you are nodding your heads because of past experience with Mastin. The biggest shame is that even though I'm saying this and I'm telling Mastin that she lucked into being conftown and doesn't HAVE to puff her ego up or anything but just freaking be a proper leader, she will ignore it and squander her stutus until scum kill her (Please review the stress mechanic if you don't realize why that could happen really easily).

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

It was Drixx but your slot.

Since when do you post mega analysis you don't agree to?

We've all seen the resignation Cerb. Why you trying to say otherwise?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

No. It didn't matter. He is probably lying but hoodwinked the hood. Even if he's not there's not likely more than one town BP.

First, his BP appears to be conditional, i.e. IF he's in an alliance.

Second, it doesn't make sense to give scum the ability to make their entire team BP, bc I have never seen a TOWN strongman before. It only makes sense to give the TOWN a "feel" of safety, with a scum strongman being able to breach that shield. There's also the very likely possibility that said alliance would include scum in it (be it one on one or one resulting from an event like mine where an ignorant town player gets to pick). Either way, if a kill does occur nobody would be able to tell for certain if it originated from within the group or from a strongman outside it.

I maintain my TOWN READ on Cakez.

Unless you're scum, he cannot make his entire team BP if honest unless they clone you or some shit.
My BP depends on alliances as well.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Given that Almost50 has a stick up his ass, Farside imploded, Fire wants to lynch her for that implosion

And your issue is that I take a counterclaim to its logical conclusion? Holy shit RR.

In a world where farside is town and she "imploded", the reason to her implosion is you, and you should be lynched for it.

I am not responsible for Farside's ego.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

It's your head. You're responsible, RR.

In SU, you spent a lot of time working together to present a united front. Now, you distance yourself from Drixx clearly notating that Cakey had "surrendered". It's your slot, it's as if you said it.

Now, you 180 based on a claim you know is shaky when the mod said claims can be favor gamed? When you and I both know two alliance abilities is stechy as fuck?

Now, you're acting as if multiple BPs are normal?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

DGB/RR, I would like to swap partners to ally with Yume now that my BP is revealed. But I won't change my submission unless you two agree to ally with each other or have new partners. Let me know please.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

-@almost, how do you explain Klingon having two votes when she should have none according to her claim she should have none?

Great you admit this confusion is your fault. Talk to me about Cakey's lack if scumhunting.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Mod please confirm post 2725 is accurate.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

If the BP was announced in both PT's, then it should have been clear to you that SC was the source, same as with the extra vote.

that is true, and you're absolutely correct. I just missed the BP bit in the PT with SC alone and interpreted it differently when I DID read it in Joy Ride. Yes, it's my own fault and you (or anyone else) would be spot on calling me an old blind horse or however you want to put it. I'm sorry.

Why shouldn't I believe you had it right the first time and scum cakey hoodwinked you? Since when do town bps get announced? The more logical conclusion to you never noticed is that you changed your interpretation due to scum Cakey.

Even if your interpretation is accurate, what use is a town BP that announces itself by default? Scum would just avoid it that one night.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Guys mafia is a simple game.

Lynch the scum.

Cakes claim wasn't redeeming is what I should have said.

What I didn't like is how he dropped the claim, then caught the next ticket back to lurk city.

That's not town trying to solve the game. That's scum trying to sell you something.

Great. I am tapping out. NC has to go to bed too. My RR read has taken a nosedive from this.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Farside, stop with making this personal. You see how most everyone didn't Unvote Cakey. There is a reason why that happened. It's not because I am in a crazy unreasonable tunnel but Cakey is actually scum. Do you think that grapes, Mastina, nc, McMenno, Kraska, and myself are all in an unreasonable tunnel?

We're all processing the information in our own way. This total myopic defense of Cakey merely because I believe he is scum is why I don't trust you to listen to what I am saying. The sea of discredits plus you destroying a total limitation on scum and not making certain players BP is antitown as fuck.

Even if you think I am nuts, you have systemically ignored everyone else thinking Cakey is scum and why they say it. It gives off a "this is personal" vibe and that stings. It also suggests you are the one not listening. Almost at least realizes that he bungled his claim and is giving me time to sort through that.

I really don't like how you're attacking Almost here as well. He's made a mistake under either interpretation of honest Scum Cakey or lying scum Cakey. Being wrong and holding onto that belief until evidence contradicts it isn't crazy. This whole manta you have of attacking players sanity to discredit them when they disagree with you is ridiculous, toxic and it needs to stop Day 2.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I know you said you need players to target you, but I don't want to target anyone who thinks I am crazy.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Kling, I messed up the quote. NC reposted where I fixed it.

I plan to vote Cakez. I want to make sure everyone who wants an alliance has it before the episode ends.

Farside, yes, I'm still up for allying with you.

Go ahead and end the day. RR missed my post on wanting to align with Yume and having him go to DGB, and I don't want to prolong the day to wait on RR/add more spam. I will just stick with allying DGB and Mastina can do her alliance whatever thing.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Farside, stop with making this personal. You see how most everyone didn't Unvote Cakey. There is a reason why that happened. It's not because I am in a crazy unreasonable tunnel but Cakey is actually scum. Do you think that grapes, Mastina, nc, McMenno, Kraska, and myself are all in an unreasonable tunnel?

We're all processing the information in our own way. This total myopic defense of Cakey merely because I believe he is scum is why I don't trust you to listen to what I am saying. The sea of discredits plus you destroying a total limitation on scum and not making certain players BP is antitown as fuck.

Even if you think I am nuts, you have systemically ignored everyone else thinking Cakey is scum and why they say it. It gives off a "this is personal" vibe and that stings. It also suggests you are the one not listening. Almost at least realizes that he bungled his claim and is giving me time to sort through that.

I really don't like how you're attacking Almost here as well. He's made a mistake under either interpretation of honest Scum Cakey or lying scum Cakey. Being wrong and holding onto that belief until evidence contradicts it isn't crazy. This whole manta you have of attacking players sanity to discredit them when they disagree with you is ridiculous, toxic and it needs to stop Day 2.

You only care about those that agree with you.

Thank you for that proof.

I'm not even attcking A50. Not even close.
There is like a ton of difference between nc and you.
They are trying to figure players out. They are engaging with the scum read to clarify.
They are actual seeing more truth then you.
Seriously all you basically said is town need to work together but not once did you try to understand someone else's POV and think for a second there view might be right and you might be wrong.
There is a difference too.
I already think grapes is scum.

You saying "almost50 is as crazy as Titus" is attacking them.
I have asked you numerous times for towncases on Cakey and NC. You refuse to provide them and call me crazy. I am telling you exactly what you need to do, while being open about my logical progressions, even if you feel they make no sense.
I actually do see Mastina's view and disagree with it.
Fire has persuaded me, despite how much I townread you, that you need to die by lylo and I hate policy lynches.
I have told people in no uncertain terms there's two ways to correct my read. Get to the core of it and show why it is not valid or sound or just obvtown.
Do we really need more of me v Cakey when you're the one refusing to listen?

Why are you refusing to engage Mastina, Yume, Skybird, NC and all the others who think Cakey is scum and considering you are likely wrong?

Why should I consider your interpretation of your role as protown when you gave scum a fuckton more options?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Farside, stop with making this personal. You see how most everyone didn't Unvote Cakey. There is a reason why that happened. It's not because I am in a crazy unreasonable tunnel but Cakey is actually scum. Do you think that grapes, Mastina, nc, McMenno, Kraska, and myself are all in an unreasonable tunnel?

We're all processing the information in our own way. This total myopic defense of Cakey merely because I believe he is scum is why I don't trust you to listen to what I am saying. The sea of discredits plus you destroying a total limitation on scum and not making certain players BP is antitown as fuck.

Even if you think I am nuts, you have systemically ignored everyone else thinking Cakey is scum and why they say it. It gives off a "this is personal" vibe and that stings. It also suggests you are the one not listening. Almost at least realizes that he bungled his claim and is giving me time to sort through that.

I really don't like how you're attacking Almost here as well. He's made a mistake under either interpretation of honest Scum Cakey or lying scum Cakey. Being wrong and holding onto that belief until evidence contradicts it isn't crazy. This whole manta you have of attacking players sanity to discredit them when they disagree with you is ridiculous, toxic and it needs to stop Day 2.

You only care about those that agree with you.

Thank you for that proof.

I'm not even attcking A50. Not even close.
There is like a ton of difference between nc and you.
They are trying to figure players out. They are engaging with the scum read to clarify.
They are actual seeing more truth then you.
Seriously all you basically said is town need to work together but

not once did you try to understand someone else's POV and think for a second there view might be right and you might be wrong.

There is a difference too.
I already think grapes is scum.

And let me guess, you never acted like the bolded this entire game, hm?

I tried multiple times to understand Titus POV.
I even explained my town read. She was the one acting like it's a power trip issue.
Not me.


Here is one for you Titus.
Why are you town reading shiro?

PoE.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Basically, exactly what Mastina said.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I think you guys should make peace.

We should, but that would require Farside to be respectful and realize the damage they are doing. I can be stubborn and bullheaded, but I am not as simple as Farside makes me out to be. Peace cannot come until Farside stops making me a charicature of who I actually am.

I am going back to bed again. Just woke up in the middle of the night.

Thank you grapes.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Yume, if Mastina can interrupt with an alliance, I am so down. Same with you. If it's stealth, give me an indication you can see by typing a fruit that starts with the first letter of my first post tomorrow.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

First post in my alliance.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

no I'm allying with mastina

It's more of if they can without hurting anything.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@KTS, I'll do a VCA tomorrow. I'm not batting 100% and I have a stack of work on my desk that's large. I'm not opposed to an RR wagon right now given their EoD. It's not my favorite though.

@All - We got a pizza last night.

Yume's flavor is confirmed and there is 99.9% chance they are town. Anyone else would say conftown.

@Farside/Almost, I do hope you stick around. I'm sorry that I wasn't clearer or that we didn't have effective communication yesterday. If you could give me feedback on how to get reasons from you to see where things went wrong, that'd be great. Same with you Almost. I respect you both and think you both are town.

~Titus

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Wait a minute

DGB, we don't have an alliance. I thought this was mod error. Please explain.

~Titus

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I was waiting for you, Titus. What did you mean by your last two posts in the last day?

I meant that if you had a neighborhood spy ability, that you'd tell me by the first words in your post. It kinda doesn't matter now since I don't have a hood.

If DGB is town, scum fucked with the alliance meaning scum intend to kill me. That's the logical explanation. Otherwise, DGB is scum.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Mastina, Can we slow the roll here on RR? I'm not hard townreading them anymore but I'd like time and the opportunity to mend bridges with Farside and Almost.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Yume's flavor is confirmed and there is 99.9% chance they are town. Anyone else would say conftown.

Like me!

Agreed. I get the feeling you'll see later why I'm still minutely skeptical of you.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Mastina, Can we slow the roll here on RR? I'm not hard townreading them anymore but I'd like time and the opportunity to mend bridges with Farside and Almost.

Well if it means anything I'm kind of in a daze that Cakez was scum.
I actually asked the mod if this game was bastard.
I'm going to reread with this in mind and see what I can figure out.

Ok, can you look at DGB in particular? I'm inclined to think that DGB and RR are opposing alignments or scum and scum but I'm not sure on that. So basically, I think there's at least one scum in DGB and RR.

It's ok that you're in a daze. I'd be that way too. I just want to get to the bottom of what caused our communication error and resolve it, because I tried everything I could to see what you were thinking and you just kept saying I was ignoring you. It was very frustrating.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Cooldog slot is scum as well.

Natch.
Cooldog, RR, and Klingoncelt are the names I'd support lynching today.

You'll note that Not Chara and Xkfyu aren't there. Xkfyu's still a scumread, but there's a chance they're town doing something and if so, I want him left alone for a while (we can always lynch him later if I'm wrong).
Not Chara isn't in the list because there's conflicting information: Not Chara doesn't quite fit the pattern, the profile, for scum that I have built. Its early posting had some elements which did, and some of its later posting did as well, but there are huge segments which diverge from what I'd expect, and I just feel more comfortable lynching Cooldog/RR/Klingoncelt first.

We can lynch Not Chara at a later point in time, if we still believe it to be scum. I'm still alive, after all, and so are all the people who support that lynch. (Which, you know, is reason

not

to do it right now. If you start to get afraid that it is scum and the supporters are being killed off, sure, lynch, but for now, Not Chara can live.)

Basically, what the plan for today should be is to lynch players that are likely scum no matter what, rather than players who may or may not be scum which further days can give us more info on.

We don't need to have the whole scumteam pinned down. In fact, doing so might be detrimental to our overall town cohesion. We just need 2-3 players we agree on to be scum, and to lynch one of them, just like yesterday. It worked then, it will work today.

How you feel about NC is how I'm feeling about RR btw. I'd rather do Klingon today but I want more time to beat this flu bug, resolve things with Farside and Almost, and hunt what the hell happened with my alliance that never happened.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I just feel more comfortable lynching Cooldog/RR/Klingoncelt first.

I don't oppose any of these.

Why? I want to hear more from you. Why did you jump on every wagon but Cakey until it was clear Cakey was getting lynched? Did you have a

lump

in your throat?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I just feel more comfortable lynching Cooldog/RR/Klingoncelt first.

I don't oppose any of these.

Why? I want to hear more from you. Why did you jump on every wagon but Cakey until it was clear Cakey was getting lynched? Did you have a

lump

in your throat?

Because I was seeing SirCakez as town and his role seemed useful.

Then why ever vote him at all?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Mastina, Can we slow the roll here on RR? I'm not hard townreading them anymore but I'd like time and the opportunity to mend bridges with Farside and Almost.

That can be done while still voting.

And, speaking on that topic: Yume and I's talk is not day-only, so I got time to write out quite a few words on the subject myself. They'll probably need some amount of paraphrasing, but I fully intend to post them. (I covered only about a third of the playerlist in total.)

Also, to be explicit: I am 100% POSITIVE I am in an alliance

right now

. V confirmed that my power is in effect, thus, my alliance request was in fact successful. It's just I don't know with whom I am allied.

I'm not contributing to a fast wagon in my state barring a cop guilty.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I get the feeling you'll see later why I'm still minutely skeptical of you.

Don't be. Painted pictures rarely tell alignments. They do, however, help confirm facts.

I agree. A picture is worth a thousand words. I understand that.

I don't get how much power town has. That would be insane.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@farside why do you think this game is bastard?

this is interesting. I do believe that firebringer is not "dead" yet, so to say

@rr so you believe that titus made a slip, I'm going to assume that this information has been discussed in your alliance, otherwise you wouldn't know about it

Umm, no, I don't believe Titus made a slip, and no, we didn't discuss it in our alliance.

I just know that I'm smart, and so are other people, and some of them are scum, so we shouldn't say anything more.

That's all.

@mastin: you do realize that nobody died last night, yes? Therefore the idea of using any points regarding who died as part of an argument against my slot is basically useless?

-Cerb

Firebringer seems pretty dead.

Did you and Drixx sort out your issues last night?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

So you think firebringer was a vig shot then?

No way.

Agreed. Fire seems dead and janitored to me or a scum event that hides the flip.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Doesn't varsoons post imply that fire died as a result of cakeboy's alliance/event condition not being met or sth? Doesn't seem like a conventional nightkill

Explain please. I'm running a bit slow.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@obi

Firebringer has been removed from the game as a

part of an effect.

IT doesn't seem to have anything to do with Cakey's role though as flipped... :/

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@obi

Firebringer has been removed from the game as a

part of an effect.

IT doesn't seem to have anything to do with Cakey's role though as flipped... :/

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Titus did you reread almost and rally think he is town?

I have not reread. Why would I think Almost is scum though?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@mastin: you do realize that nobody died last night, yes?

No, Firebringer is dead.
He was killed.

I'd rather not explain how I know this right now.
I just know he was.

I see.

No flip+no note about an effect obscuring a flip is really weird then, but okay.

So are you saying you have cause to believe that FB was the scum kill last night?

-Cerb

Where do you think the scumkill went?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@RR, How confident are you that Mastina is wrong?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Shiro who's scum besides almost?

I have a soft scumread on McMenno but it isn;t some solid stuff. I felt his lurkish ways day 1 were off cause I remember him much more active and trollish as town.

I am still half half on RR.

I don't think Drixx has even really said anything lately Shiro. Being half/half on my slot doesn't make sense, if it's based on reading each head differently like you said before. Well, okay, I guess it does if Drixx hasn't said anything and therefore your read on him is the same, while what I've said kept your read on me the same.

Nevermind.

Did firebringer have anything of note to say in any of his alliances that wasn't shared with the thread, reads wise?

-Cerb

Pedit: Wrong about the kill thing? I don't see it as her saying she BELIEVES xyz because of unnamed reasons. I see her saying she KNOWS something. So she isn't wrong. The lack of a flip+no notes as given the last time something obscured a flip doesn't make sense though.

A janitor doesn't make sense? Why?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

A janitor makes sense, but the VERBIAGE USED does not fit in with a janitor.

I've seen Varsoon janitor things before, and the verbiage was along the lines of an effect preventing the flip, NOT just that the slot was gone.

-Cerb

So what do you think happened?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

A janitor makes sense, but the VERBIAGE USED does not fit in with a janitor.

I've seen Varsoon janitor things before, and the verbiage was along the lines of an effect preventing the flip, NOT just that the slot was gone.

-Cerb

So what do you think happened?

I have no idea. Given Mastins certainty that fb is dead, she has some information about it. Given that she is conftown, it doesn't make sense that she would know anything about the scum kill, so he was removed by some effect unrelated to the scum kill, UNLESS her role specifically tells her what faction performed specific kills.

All speculation though.
-Cerb

I know it's speculation, but I want to know why you think the way you do. It's rather important actually.

You think Firebringer was killed by an effect that wasn't the scumkill? Who would want to kill Fire?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

1) I was referring to the post where Shiro calls out almost for doing saying Shiro does as scum. She hasn't see if this was scum/town a50.
2) He explained himself after and Shiro ignore all of it.3) Shiro's read makes no sense if she is still scum reading A50 when I disbanned the joy ride and that sure as shit wasn't happiness from fire or a50 for what I did.
5) I think I missed it but there was a point were Shiro just talks about a50 but just subtle moves her vote to cakes and had zero interaction with him.

1)You are answering Titus about goal poasting

2) Well yea he called the posts that I found really forced not fake like *rolls eyes* Sure he kinda explained the contradiction after like forever and to Chara. He still said bs about distancing and tried to fit a absurd narrative abou t me being scum with creature somehow.

3)....I missed that fact....I didn't notice joyride getting disbande he he ^_^;

5) Oh yes I totally did that. I didn;t have the driving force to lynch Almost and I trust Titus so I asked her to reconsider her townread for Almost and I will vote cakez cause cakez was meh anyway.

I apologize. I totally forgot to do that. I kinda expected a Cakey flip to work from. I'll get on that. :/

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Like RR, you gotta help me out here. Your responses are damn near scumclaiming and I'm like meh...

If Firebringer wasn't the scum kill, that suggests scum shot the bulletproof (me) which makes no sense.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

RR, I am not blind sheeping anyone.

If Firebringer wasn't a scumkill, like scum suggest.
Then scum shot me most likely, as I don't see there being another protective in play given the number of confirmed town we already have by setup design. Is it possible sure? Likely no.
There's also the argument that scum deliberately no killed and opted to take the idiot ball.

The only way I see being shot is if you're scum though...

So???

p-edit: I haven't read that wall by Mastina but I saw my name appear in it.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Mastina, Do you believe that there's other hidden protectives?

I'd rather lynch Klingon but I'm not like 100%. I'm in a wierd position where scum should be voting RR if he's town but I'm not really scumreading anyone on his wagon. Farside's the closest and she's just needs to die by lylo.

@RR, Your whole suggestion of scum didn't kill Firebringer seems like a scum one.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Nope

Your naked vote after I pointed out your terrible behavior yesterday suggests otherwise.

You DO realize how absurdly stupid and scummy that was right? I don't buy the temper tantrum angle. Much more likely you did it intentionally. It robbed people of protection, and potentially unchained people. Funny how you did that and then we have this event happening that is super bad for us. I'm

SURE

the two couldn't possibly be related though, amirite?

Should I bother mentioning that Cakez was scum and in the joy ride or does that fact just kind of get missed?
Or should I bother mentioning it's the only reason you put as a scum read on me.
Let me know which one sounds more scummy to you.

You acted with the belief that Cakey was town though allegedly. His scumflip is irrelevant to the determination of whether your play was protown.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Wait wait wait.

So what you're saying is that farside is pretending to think that her being put into a hood with scum lends credence to her being town in order to get town-cred. And that destorying the joyride was scum theater?

What interactions stand out to you as scum/scum wrt to farside and cakes?
I don't remember them interacting very much at all in-thread at least.
I know that it seemed like farside was townreading cakes because he was doing a lot of buddying towards her by making his stances sorta appeal to her perspective in some cases. But nothing to make me think they're buddies. Or at least nothing that blasted out to me as such.

If I was playing scum, Farside treated Cakey liked I'd treat my buddy. I'm sick and weird though soo...

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Of course, RR is acting exactly like I did in SU...

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Farside, Please don't end the day if you can.

I want to hear from DGB why we have no alliance. I need to get in sync with Beeboy. I also need to do the reread I promised Shiro.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Farside/Almost, I do hope you stick around. I'm sorry that I wasn't clearer or that we didn't have effective communication yesterday. If you could give me feedback on how to get reasons from you to see where things went wrong, that'd be great. Same with you Almost. I respect you both and think you both are town.

I .. have no excuse for being a fool. 4th time Scum!SC tricks me. That said, I now have no clear reads AT ALL. Most of my reads were centered around the idea Cakez was TOWN. Of course, those who kept pushing him despite resistance are now as good as confirmed town to me, but I'm talking about others (i.e. the Majority of players).

I think I'll just shut up and just sheep you and Mastina. Just tell me where to vote and I'll do it.

You see. This is the last thing I want. I want to be fought on my scumreads. I want to have them tested. That's how I verify them. Scum can easily hide in sheeping conftown.

Go out and find me scum. That's what I want. Even if we wind up disagreeing, I'm not going to automatically scumread you for it.

When my reads are untested, that removes a failure mechanicsm, particularly if there's some fact I don't know.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

If you wind up agreeing with me, then of course sheep. But I don't want to just be ok, Titus said X player is scum Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! Doubly so when ill.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Farside, Please don't end the day if you can.

I want to hear from DGB why we have no alliance. I need to get in sync with Beeboy. I also need to do the reread I promised Shiro.

Fine.
I'll be nice because I was an ass day 1.
How much time you want?

At least enough time to do the things I highlighted above.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@all

- We're literally a few hours into the day phase and Farside is claiming to be unilaterally deciding to end the day. This coming right as I point out what might be a slip by her, and she's in a gigantic hurry to get us dead and the day over, despite a pretty huge elephant in the room that needs to be discussed.

Her push to try and get us dead and the day over is ridiculously over the top scummy. We give out an investigate in a game where there are not likely to be many others (if any). That is something that will be voted on and there's two obvious conftowns so if we live, that hurts scum. Furthermore, there's a scum event that got triggered. Go look at the start of day post and think. What would happen if the day suddenly ends super fast and alliances aren't worked out and no discussion goes on about how to try and blunt the scum event that was announced?

Only scum want this day to end fast.

~D

Well I plan on vig shooting you by that time, but it ends the day.
So you can try to explain why I didn't do that day 1 are you die at noon and I don't care.

And after day 1 shit Strom I think most players might be happy for a short day.

I'm not. Regardless of RR's alignment, you've given scum every excuse to coast here.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Farside, Please don't end the day if you can.

I want to hear from DGB why we have no alliance. I need to get in sync with Beeboy. I also need to do the reread I promised Shiro.

Fine.
I'll be nice because I was an ass day 1.
How much time you want?

If you're town, I want you to go read the day opening post until you understand what is written there. Then I want you to walk away from the game and come back and look at things logically. We're not scum and if you Vig us, you will be wasting the shot as well as depriving us of our event, which there is finally enough stress for us to trigger.

If you're scum, then everything you've done (especially trying to rush the day and avoid letting us put together a plan to respond to the scum event) makes perfect sense.

Use your head, not your emotions.

~D

Why haven't you triggered your event?

Because we're TOWN and our event requires STRESS +1 or higher. We couldn't trigger it last night.

That's precisely how they claimed it.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Mastina, I'm actually scumreading both Farside AND RR right now based off this interaction.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

A50: my slot is being voted because people are filled with the recklessness of success, and are therefore unwilling to think.

-Cerb

Pedit:farside, what part of that was shifty versus what drixx wrote? I gave you more detailsx and the only thing I can imagine you feel is bad about is is the fact that we thought we could trigger it last night and then found out we couldn't.

Our event has a limitation of only occurring after Episode 1. We asked Varsoon if that meant we could trigger our event on N1, for resolution during D2, and he said yes. This made me think the stress level was checked upon resolution, NOT triggering. He clarified when we tried to trigger it last night, in case stress rose enough over the night for it to resolve today.

Peditx2: what questions are we avoiding farside?

So far events have been triggered during the day, not at night.
That's why I am shifty about your clsim.
I asked you about doing my vig shot, which I said something about it day 2, why wouldn't I use it day 1 when cakez was sure to be lynched?
Your the player talking about a scum show that day.

I have an event that triggers at night.

Varsoona said that scumclaims will be good claims though. So having scum only have night events makes zero sense Farside.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

If it was anything, it would make more sense to argue only scum events take place during the day, given an event stalled SirCakez flip.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

A50: my slot is being voted because people are filled with the recklessness of success, and are therefore unwilling to think.

-Cerb

Pedit:farside, what part of that was shifty versus what drixx wrote? I gave you more detailsx and the only thing I can imagine you feel is bad about is is the fact that we thought we could trigger it last night and then found out we couldn't.

Our event has a limitation of only occurring after Episode 1. We asked Varsoon if that meant we could trigger our event on N1, for resolution during D2, and he said yes. This made me think the stress level was checked upon resolution, NOT triggering. He clarified when we tried to trigger it last night, in case stress rose enough over the night for it to resolve today.

Peditx2: what questions are we avoiding farside?

So far events have been triggered during the day, not at night.
That's why I am shifty about your clsim.
I asked you about doing my vig shot, which I said something about it day 2, why wouldn't I use it day 1 when cakez was sure to be lynched?
Your the player talking about a scum show that day.

I have an event that triggers at night.

Varsoona said that scumclaims will be good claims though. So having scum only have night events makes zero sense Farside.

I just figured he was lying about having the event.

His event is real regardless of his alignment. I'd rather, even if we're scumreading him, just force him to trigger his event, then kill him. That will force scum to keep conftown alive.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Farside, Please don't end the day if you can.

I want to hear from DGB why we have no alliance. I need to get in sync with Beeboy. I also need to do the reread I promised Shiro.

You want to ally with me?

WE were supposed to be allied today. What gives?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Farside, Please don't end the day if you can.

I want to hear from DGB why we have no alliance. I need to get in sync with Beeboy. I also need to do the reread I promised Shiro.

You want to ally with me?

WE were supposed to be allied today. What gives?

I was unclear on the timing, I just sent Varsoon the request.

Not sure I believe this.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Too many people on this site are intentionally nasty and ugly as their default setting.

Noooooooooooooooooooo! <3 <3 <3 stay!

Can't tell if sarcastic or not.

~D

Drixx, if you have to, take a hiatus please. I don't want you to quit as a player. I think you're good.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

How are you thinking I'm not evaluating though Drixx?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Mastina, My biggest issue with Drixx is tonally he reads like really town here. I'd rather do CoolDog or Klingoncelt than RR. I'm not saying RR is town but I do have minor hesitations here.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Titus, you don't count?

We're at like L-4 or something right now, which means there are 8 people on the wagon. The only one's who have deigned to speak with us aren't even considering reevaluating, to the point where we tell them about an ability we have and they assume we're lying, rather than considering if that information is possibly true and what it would mean. Nothing else is happening, so of course there's no other wagons. We had 6 votes on us within like 1.5 hours of the day starting.

-Cerb

I find that analysis, as someone who has been mislynched a lot, is inaccurate most of the time. There are things I want to investigate and if town checks out, they'll know I'm very pissed off. If you are town, that does suggest why Mastina was left alive.

I'm just struggling to reconcile what you've said with actions here. I still think the better objective play is to let you live and force scum to deal with you. That's more of a pragmatic approach. Until I see you engaging in your trademark elimination of possibilities, I'm going to have difficulties hard townreading you. The end of the day where you and Drixx were not congruent with your thoughts didn't help matters to me.

~Titus

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Drixx, sometimes town are idiots. That's why I curse like that. I play mafia because people aren't insanely rational. It's generally frustrating to us who perceive ourselves as playing rationally. Plus, a comment Pirate Mollie told me when we played this. People play towards their own special snowflakes. There are things we don't know. We have to get those things out in a constructively. I agree there's a lot to get done, but just running out of the thread, no matter how dumb town is being doesn't help anyone.

Help me. You have no problem telling me when I'm dumb. That's what I love about you.

~Titus

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Mastina, My biggest issue with Drixx is tonally he reads like really town here. I'd rather do CoolDog or Klingoncelt than RR. I'm not saying RR is town but I do have minor hesitations here.

KC is town, I would compromise on CDog.

Why is KC town?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Because of our interactions in the PT.

What things in the PT?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

They stated some in the early going of the day.

I started that on RR. Others then claimed it. The catch is I justified it.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Drixx, you think that Mastina's team is wrong. What did you think of mine?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Drixx, you think that Mastina's team is wrong. What did you think of mine?

Cerby you can answer this too...

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Can you talk to me about Creature? He's the biggest difference we have (aside from fire which I need time on).

I am at NC Creature Cakez klingon CoolDog X, add DGB/Fire if wrong?

Drixx, you think that Mastina's team is wrong. What did you think of mine?

Cerby you can answer this too...

OMG I just want to go away and do something else. What composition did you have in mind? Did Drixx even say that he thinks mastinas team is wrong? I mean, I guess that's implicit in the places where the reads differ, so dumb question.

-Cerb

There you go.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I'm changing Farside for Fire there currently but yeah...

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I think it's too early to set alliances yet, but the request is noted.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Can you talk to me about Creature? He's the biggest difference we have (aside from fire which I need time on).

I am at NC Creature Cakez klingon CoolDog X, add DGB/Farside if wrong?

Drixx, you think that Mastina's team is wrong. What did you think of mine?

Cerby you can answer this too...

OMG I just want to go away and do something else. What composition did you have in mind? Did Drixx even say that he thinks mastinas team is wrong? I mean, I guess that's implicit in the places where the reads differ, so dumb question.

-Cerb

There you go.

Cerby?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I did a brief reread of a50's ISO last night. I still don't know where you get A50 as scum beyond ardent defense of scum and that looks more like denial.

Meta reads are garbage.

VOTE: Creature

Let's see what happens.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Cerb,

I think your comments against the general approach are misplaced. If approaching this thread by the scientific theory, it's guess and check. Then correct. That explains the pattern you see. It's frustrating and from your PoV incorrect but still a valid strategy but it isn't yours.

I am more pragmatic than most. Even if you're scum (assuming Mastina correct), there is low long term ev in forcing you to be lynched today. I just don't see why we wouldn't trigger your ability first. You can't refuse to use your ability without confirming yourself as scum. Then we get confirmation of whether you are town or scum plus reads to work from. I don't happen to think you are scum maybe, so I guess null.

Why don't you case your biggest scumread? Start to now?

~Titus

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

VOTE: Farside

Meh, I kinda don't feel like lynching Shiro. Why shouldn't we lynch you?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Cerb,

I think your comments against the general approach are misplaced. If approaching this thread by the scientific theory, it's guess and check. Then correct. That explains the pattern you see. It's frustrating and from your PoV incorrect but still a valid strategy but it isn't yours.

I am more pragmatic than most. Even if you're scum (assuming Mastina correct), there is low long term ev in forcing you to be lynched today. I just don't see why we wouldn't trigger your ability first. You can't refuse to use your ability without confirming yourself as scum. Then we get confirmation of whether you are town or scum plus reads to work from. I don't happen to think you are scum maybe, so I guess null.

Why don't you case your biggest scumread? Start to now?

~Titus

I have 10:30am.
You want me to hold off on the end of day still?

Holy crap yes. I don't want you ending the day for at least another 48 hours. Stop asking me.

This reeks of scum desperate to use a dayvig.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

VOTE: Farside

Meh, I kinda don't feel like lynching Shiro. Why shouldn't we lynch you?

Because I'm not scum.

Why?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

VOTE: Farside

Meh, I kinda don't feel like lynching Shiro. Why shouldn't we lynch you?

Because I'm not scum.

Why?

Because the mod gave me a town PM.
I asked him when I pre/in if I could be town, I hate being scum these days.

You had Cakey as a scum read. When momentum shifted to lynch Cakey, you had a mysterious townread based on what he said. Yet, you haven't divulged any of it, or looked at how Cakey manipulated you.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

You can't lynch farside because she will just shoot someone and end the day. Optimal play to do so regardless of her alignment.

-Cerb

Pedit: yes, moved your vote while still posturing about shooting us and ending the day. For some reason that doesn't fill me with relief.

Also, your response to my wall was incredibly apathetic and lazy. What part of what I said was untrue?

Ooh this sounds like a challenge. Forcing scum to act irrationally and hastily isn't a bad idea. If Farside is indeed scum, we want that ability used sooner, rather than later. It definitely cannot be around in lylo.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Where is the post that I missed allegedly Farside?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

For the record, I'm having trouble reconciling the idea of farside as scum with her having a gun that ALSO costs town a lynch. Unless the ability has some other cost associated with it (most likely loss of a NK or something like that), I can only see that being a balanced tool to give to scum in the presence of 1) a number of traditional day vigs, or 2) day role blockers/neutralizes of some sort.

But even then...if Farside22 didn't claim that, how would anyone know to stop her? Hell, farside, is your vig publicly activated or privately activated?

-Cerb

I can do it public or private. I chose to tell people about it and really didn't have to.

Yeah. This can't really be scum. I just don't see how to make it work mechanically. Lurk, keep quiet about it, then town just loses because their last lynch is stolen from them.

-Cerb

Pedit: oh, so your problem is that you only care about the reasoning behind my reads, and nothing else I say or have done previously is significant to you?

But if they have conftown they cannot kill in lylo?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I like meta arguments.

VOTE: Shiro

I did a brief reread of a50's ISO last night. I still don't know where you get A50 as scum beyond ardent defense of scum and that looks more like denial.

Meta reads are garbage.

VOTE: Creature

Let's see what happens.

Holy shit this is so fucking stupid. Mastin how do you even confbias this hard. You are literally refusing to acknowledge anything RR is saying as right.
VOTE: farside
I will follow RR to the death.

VOTE: Farside

Meh, I kinda don't feel like lynching Shiro. Why shouldn't we lynch you?

stop making bad votes please

Nah, shiro is scum here.
I'm giving milk and cookies to more votes on her if need be.

Giving cookies... Lols.

Giving cookies to Shiro to vote is my thing.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Mastina, Can we slow the roll here on RR? I'm not hard townreading them anymore but I'd like time and the opportunity to mend bridges with Farside and Almost.

Well if it means anything I'm kind of in a daze that Cakez was scum.
I actually asked the mod if this game was bastard.
I'm going to reread with this in mind and see what I can figure out.

@farside why do you think this game is bastard?

this is interesting. I do believe that firebringer is not "dead" yet, so to say

@rr so you believe that titus made a slip, I'm going to assume that this information has been discussed in your alliance, otherwise you wouldn't know about it

Just didn't see cakez as scum.

@Mastina, Can we slow the roll here on RR? I'm not hard townreading them anymore but I'd like time and the opportunity to mend bridges with Farside and Almost.

Well if it means anything I'm kind of in a daze that Cakez was scum.
I actually asked the mod if this game was bastard.
I'm going to reread with this in mind and see what I can figure out.

Ok, can you look at DGB in particular? I'm inclined to think that DGB and RR are opposing alignments or scum and scum but I'm not sure on that. So basically, I think there's at least one scum in DGB and RR.

It's ok that you're in a daze. I'd be that way too. I just want to get to the bottom of what caused our communication error and resolve it, because I tried everything I could to see what you were thinking and you just kept saying I was ignoring you. It was very frustrating.

Part of me felt like I wasn't being listened to in regards to how I was reading thing. Felt like all I was getting was ramrod with cakez scum over and over.

Anyways that's just how I felt most of day one and just got irritated.

I'll look at dgb.
I was scum reading rr just because how they narrowed reads to 2 players to make an iso on. It just read as information without analysis.

While we're chatting, what if I told you I mentioned to cakez he could be possible saved if he switched his vote to Shiro and he refused.
Would you find that odd?

This is the closest thing I found.

What did Cakey want when not scumread?
What did he say that was so town looking?
What were his thoughts on NC versus RR?
Did you consider Cakey was just a known deadman when you tried to save him?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

That's fine, but don't launch attacks at me based on things you don't care about and make me waste my time telling you why you're wrong. Thanks.

-Cerb

Pedit: why wouldn't they be able to use it to kill conftown in lylo? I mean, a lylo gate would be reasonable, but seriously, the power is absurd in scum hands. It's like a scum gladiate without any of the risk inherent in that.

If I received your ability, and then I picked the kill survival, I'd be unmurderable without scum wasting a crap ton of kills. If scum dayvig you now, they can murder conftown. It's a chess match.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Mastina, Can we slow the roll here on RR? I'm not hard townreading them anymore but I'd like time and the opportunity to mend bridges with Farside and Almost.

Well if it means anything I'm kind of in a daze that Cakez was scum.
I actually asked the mod if this game was bastard.
I'm going to reread with this in mind and see what I can figure out.

@farside why do you think this game is bastard?

this is interesting. I do believe that firebringer is not "dead" yet, so to say

@rr so you believe that titus made a slip, I'm going to assume that this information has been discussed in your alliance, otherwise you wouldn't know about it

Just didn't see cakez as scum.

@Mastina, Can we slow the roll here on RR? I'm not hard townreading them anymore but I'd like time and the opportunity to mend bridges with Farside and Almost.

Well if it means anything I'm kind of in a daze that Cakez was scum.
I actually asked the mod if this game was bastard.
I'm going to reread with this in mind and see what I can figure out.

Ok, can you look at DGB in particular? I'm inclined to think that DGB and RR are opposing alignments or scum and scum but I'm not sure on that. So basically, I think there's at least one scum in DGB and RR.

It's ok that you're in a daze. I'd be that way too. I just want to get to the bottom of what caused our communication error and resolve it, because I tried everything I could to see what you were thinking and you just kept saying I was ignoring you. It was very frustrating.

Part of me felt like I wasn't being listened to in regards to how I was reading thing. Felt like all I was getting was ramrod with cakez scum over and over.

Anyways that's just how I felt most of day one and just got irritated.

I'll look at dgb.
I was scum reading rr just because how they narrowed reads to 2 players to make an iso on. It just read as information without analysis.

While we're chatting, what if I told you I mentioned to cakez he could be possible saved if he switched his vote to Shiro and he refused.
Would you find that odd?

This is the closest thing I found.

What did Cakey want when not scumread?
What did he say that was so town looking?
What were his thoughts on NC versus RR?
Did you consider Cakey was just a known deadman when you tried to save him?

You just took 2 post I made from day 2.
I'm not going to go over something I posted already for you to keep ignoring Beeboy.

As for the last 2 questions, Cazkez said he was town reading NC. He had a scum read on RR but he said that titus was basically wking him to get him to respond for himself.
I don't know if cakey thought he was a dead man. I just told him to switch his vote. He refused and I told him it was his funeral. I then proceeded to get the joy ride disbanded. I did that for a good reason that has to do with what I can do.

Have you ever seen Titus use a strategy where she whiteknights scum to get them to talk? Does Cakey pushing RR give you any hesitation at all?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Mastina, Can we slow the roll here on RR? I'm not hard townreading them anymore but I'd like time and the opportunity to mend bridges with Farside and Almost.

Well if it means anything I'm kind of in a daze that Cakez was scum.
I actually asked the mod if this game was bastard.
I'm going to reread with this in mind and see what I can figure out.

@farside why do you think this game is bastard?

this is interesting. I do believe that firebringer is not "dead" yet, so to say

@rr so you believe that titus made a slip, I'm going to assume that this information has been discussed in your alliance, otherwise you wouldn't know about it

Just didn't see cakez as scum.

@Mastina, Can we slow the roll here on RR? I'm not hard townreading them anymore but I'd like time and the opportunity to mend bridges with Farside and Almost.

Well if it means anything I'm kind of in a daze that Cakez was scum.
I actually asked the mod if this game was bastard.
I'm going to reread with this in mind and see what I can figure out.

Ok, can you look at DGB in particular? I'm inclined to think that DGB and RR are opposing alignments or scum and scum but I'm not sure on that. So basically, I think there's at least one scum in DGB and RR.

It's ok that you're in a daze. I'd be that way too. I just want to get to the bottom of what caused our communication error and resolve it, because I tried everything I could to see what you were thinking and you just kept saying I was ignoring you. It was very frustrating.

Part of me felt like I wasn't being listened to in regards to how I was reading thing. Felt like all I was getting was ramrod with cakez scum over and over.

Anyways that's just how I felt most of day one and just got irritated.

I'll look at dgb.
I was scum reading rr just because how they narrowed reads to 2 players to make an iso on. It just read as information without analysis.

While we're chatting, what if I told you I mentioned to cakez he could be possible saved if he switched his vote to Shiro and he refused.
Would you find that odd?

This is the closest thing I found.

What did Cakey want when not scumread?
What did he say that was so town looking?
What were his thoughts on NC versus RR?
Did you consider Cakey was just a known deadman when you tried to save him?

You just took 2 post I made from day 2.
I'm not going to go over something I posted already for you to keep ignoring Beeboy.

As for the last 2 questions, Cazkez said he was town reading NC. He had a scum read on RR but he said that titus was basically wking him to get him to respond for himself.
I don't know if cakey thought he was a dead man. I just told him to switch his vote. He refused and I told him it was his funeral. I then proceeded to get the joy ride disbanded. I did that for a good reason that has to do with what I can do.

Have you ever seen Titus use a strategy where she whiteknights scum to get them to talk? Does Cakey pushing RR give you any hesitation at all?

I don't know.
And yes Cakey's push does give me hesitation in regards to RR. To be fair I didn't think about it with RR. The reads this game are beyond awful, and I expect a bit more from the duo when it comes to explaining who is scum and why.

Why do you expect more and what do you expect? Do those doubts override forcing RR, if scum, to have Mastina, myself, or Yume survive the first kill against us?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Spoiler: VCs for Titus

"It's our duty to let those simple people live out their simple lives, without ever knowing the burden of being friends with us."

-Ronaldo,

Full Disclosure

VOTECOUNT 1.01

Reasonably Rational (2):

grapes, Firebringer

Creature (2):

Obi-Wan Kenobi, Xkfyu

Not Voting (21):

Klingoncelt, SirCakez, Foxbird, Skybird, Almost50, Shiro, DrippingGoofball, Farside22, Yume, CooLDoG, Reasonably Rational, mastin2, Not Chara, Kraskaeaque, killthestory, McMenno, Seraphim, SnarkySnowman, Creature, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

"We were about to go chill in the parking lot and freak out some squares."

-Buck

"Oh, but I— I don't have anything against squares. I like all basic shapes."

-Steven,

Joy Ride

VOTECOUNT 1.02

Reasonably Rational (3):

grapes, Firebringer, McMenno

Creature (2):

Obi-Wan Kenobi, Xkfyu

Not Chara (2):

mastin2, Yume

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1):

Farside22

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

McMenno (1):

CooLDoG

Not Voting (15):

Klingoncelt, SirCakez, Foxbird, Skybird, Almost50, Shiro, DrippingGoofball, Reasonably Rational, Not Chara, Kraskaeaque, killthestory, Seraphim, Creature, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

"And then I found out that the Gems are alien rebels, and there are other Gems out there that want us dead because they think we're traitors. And they tried to take me hostage because they think I'm my mom. And maybe I kinda am? I wish I could talk to Garnet, Amethyst, and Pearl about it, but I think they kinda blame me for my mom not being around."

-Steven

"But you always seem so upbeat. You're a real champ, Steven Universe."

-Buck,

Joy Ride

VOTECOUNT 1.03

Not Chara (4):

mastin2, Yume, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Almost50

Reasonably Rational (3):

grapes, Firebringer, McMenno

Obi-Wan Kenobi (2):

Farside22, Not Chara

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

McMenno (1):

CooLDoG

Not Voting (13):

Klingoncelt, SirCakez, Foxbird, Skybird, Shiro, DrippingGoofball, Reasonably Rational, Kraskaeaque, killthestory, Seraphim, Creature, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

"Don't worry, bro. None of this is canon."

-Uncle Grandpa,

Say Uncle

VOTECOUNT 1.04

Not Chara (4):

mastin2, Yume, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Almost50

Reasonably Rational (3):

grapes, Firebringer, McMenno

Obi-Wan Kenobi (2):

Not Chara, SirCakez

SirCakez (2):

SnarkySnowman, Creature

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

McMenno (1):

CooLDoG

TheWayItEnds (1):

Seraphim

Seraphim (1):

Farside22

Not Voting (10):

Klingoncelt, Foxbird, Skybird, Shiro, DrippingGoofball, Reasonably Rational, Kraskaeaque, killthestory, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

"You can't just attack people you don't understand. You have to stick up for them, and listen to what they have to say. You guys always do that for me."

-Steven,

Say Uncle

VOTECOUNT 1.05

Not Chara (5):

mastin2, Yume, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Almost50, grapes

Reasonably Rational (3):

Firebringer, McMenno, DrippingGoofball

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1):

SirCakez

SirCakez (2):

Creature, Farside22

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

McMenno (1):

CooLDoG

SnarkySnowman (1):

Xkfyu (1):

Seraphim

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

grapes (1):

Not Chara

Not Voting (9):

Klingoncelt, Foxbird, Skybird, Shiro, Reasonably Rational, Kraskaeaque, killthestory, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

"Wow, I didn't know you wanted to be an actor!"

-Steven

"That's because...
I'm very good at acting."

-Jamie,

Love Letters

VOTECOUNT 1.06

Not Chara (5):

mastin2, Yume, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Almost50, grapes

Reasonably Rational (3):

Firebringer, McMenno, DrippingGoofball

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1):

SirCakez

SirCakez (2):

Creature, Farside22

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

McMenno (1):

CooLDoG

Xkfyu (1):

Seraphim

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

grapes (1):

Not Chara

Not Voting (9):

Klingoncelt, Foxbird, Skybird, Shiro, Reasonably Rational, Kraskaeaque, killthestory, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

Peridot @Peridot5xg tweeted: I'm a survivor I'm not gon' give up I'm not gon' stop I'm gon' work harder I'm a survivor I'm gonna make it I will survive Keep on survivin'

" Love at first sight doesn't exist. Love takes time, and love takes work."

-Garnet,

Love Letters

VOTECOUNT 1.07

McMenno (5):

CooLDoG, Firebringer, SirCakez, Seraphim, Almost50

Not Chara (4):

grapes, Skybird, Yume, Obi-Wan Kenobi

Reasonably Rational (3):

McMenno, DrippingGoofball, Creature

SirCakez (2):

Not Chara, mastin2

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (9):

Klingoncelt, Foxbird, Shiro, Reasonably Rational, Kraskaeaque, killthestory, randomidget, TheWayItEnds, Farside22

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

Having to settle for less than a pagetop is embarassing.
Less embarassing than infrequent VCs, though.
People should, just, like, not post for several minutes when a pagetop is open.

"Do you understand that cartoon show?"

-Pearl

"I don't understand

anything

anymore."

-Greg,

Reformed

VOTECOUNT 1.08

Reasonably Rational (5):

McMenno, DrippingGoofball, mastin2, Creature, Firebringer

McMenno (4):

CooLDoG, SirCakez, Seraphim, Almost50

Not Chara (4):

grapes, Skybird, Yume, Obi-Wan Kenobi

SirCakez (1):

Not Chara

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (9):

Klingoncelt, Foxbird, Shiro, Reasonably Rational, Kraskaeaque, killthestory, randomidget, TheWayItEnds, Farside22

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

"I thought we agreed there was no Slinker, and we weren't going to call it 'The Slinker'."

-Amethyst

"Yes we did. But now it's undeniable the creature exists, and that Steven's name stuck."

-Garnet,

Reformed

VOTECOUNT 1.09

Not Chara (6):

grapes, Skybird, Yume, Almost50, Kraskaeaque

Reasonably Rational (4):

McMenno, DrippingGoofball, mastin2, Farside22

McMenno (3):

CooLDoG, SirCakez, Seraphim

Klingoncelt (2):

Firebringer, Obi-Wan Kenobi

Almost50 (2):

Shiro, Creature

SirCakez (1):

Not Chara

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (6):

Klingoncelt, Foxbird, Reasonably Rational, killthestory, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

"Well, what do you want? Just tell me and I'll do that!"

-Amethyst,

Reformed

VOTECOUNT 1.10

SirCakez (5):

Not Chara, Yume, mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi, McMenno

Not Chara (3):

grapes, Skybird, Kraskaeaque

Reasonably Rational (3):

DrippingGoofball, Farside22, Firebringer

McMenno (3):

CooLDoG, SirCakez, Seraphim

Almost50 (2):

Shiro, Creature

Creature (2):

Xkfyu, Almost50

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (6):

Klingoncelt, Foxbird, Reasonably Rational, killthestory, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

"This is an Ancient Sky Arena, Connie, where some of the first battles for Earth took place. It was here that I became familiar with the human concept of being a knight, completely dedicated to a person and a cause. This is what you must become, Connie; brave, selfless, loyal... a knight!"

-Pearl,

Sworn to the Sword

VOTECOUNT 1.11

SirCakez (5):

Not Chara, Yume, mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi, McMenno

McMenno (3):

CooLDoG, SirCakez, Seraphim

Not Chara (2):

grapes, Kraskaeaque

Reasonably Rational (2):

DrippingGoofball, Firebringer

Almost50 (2):

Shiro, Creature

Creature (2):

Xkfyu, Almost50

Shiro (2):

Farside22, Skybird

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (6):

Klingoncelt, Foxbird, Reasonably Rational, killthestory, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

I've got work today from noon to 6, so don't expect a VC until after that.

"Deep down, I know that I'm just a human—"

-Connie

"--but you know that you can draw your sword and fight."

-Pearl,

Sworn to the Sword

VOTECOUNT 1.12

SirCakez (7):

Not Chara, mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi, McMenno, Yume, grapes, Shiro

Shiro (4):

Farside22, Skybird, Almost50

Skybird (2):

killthestory, Creature

McMenno (2):

CooLDoG, Seraphim

Not Chara (1):

Kraskaeaque

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1):

SirCakez

Klingoncelt (1)

Firebringer

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (6):

Klingoncelt, Foxbird, Reasonably Rational, randomidget, TheWayItEnds, DrippingGoofball

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

To be clear:
In general, an Event that is beneficial to town will lower the Stress.
In general, an Event that is bad for town will increase the Stress.
Negative (or lower) Stress is reflective of town doing well, but it also tends to enable anti-town abilities and events.
Positive (or higher) Stress is reflective of town doing poorly, but it also tends to enable pro-town abilities and events.
The Scum Team's Factional Events tend to be anti-town Events that require low stress.
The Scum Team's personal Events tend to be pro-town Events that require high stress and are tied to their fakeclaim.
Not every Event will change the stress meter. If an Event does, it will be detailed in that Event's description.

"Back during the war, Pearl took pride in risking her destruction for your mother.
She put Rose Quartz over everything; over logic, over consequence, over her own life."

-Garnet,

Sworn to the Sword

VOTECOUNT 1.13

SirCakez (10):

Not Chara, mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi, McMenno, Yume, grapes, Shiro, Firebringer, Reasonably Rational, SnarkySnowman

Shiro (4):

Farside22, Skybird, Almost50

Firebringer (2):

Klingoncelt

McMenno (2):

CooLDoG, Seraphim

Skybird (1):

Creature

Not Chara (1):

Kraskaeaque

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1):

SirCakez

Farside22 (1):

killthestory

Not Voting (4):

Foxbird, randomidget, TheWayItEnds, DrippingGoofball

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

I am currently searching for a replacement for Seraphim.

"Beach City, a sleepy seaside town. From far away, it looks ordinary, but take a closer look, and you'll start to notice the cracks in the facade."

-Ronaldo,

Rising Tides, Crashing Skies

VOTECOUNT 1.14

SirCakez (10):

Not Chara, mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi, McMenno, grapes, Shiro, Xkfyu, SnarkySnowman, Yume, Kraskaeaque

Farside22 (3):

killthestory, Firebringer, Almost50

Shiro (2):

Farside22, Skybird

Firebringer (2):

Klingoncelt

McMenno (2):

CooLDoG, Thefuzzylogic99

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1):

SirCakez

Not Voting (6):

Foxbird, randomidget, TheWayItEnds, DrippingGoofball, Creature, Reasonably Rational

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

Peridot @Peridot5xg tweeted: C’mon already! Can we please lynch someone?!!!!!!1

"You can't make up drama this good!"

-Ronaldo,

Rising Tides, Crashing Skies

VOTECOUNT 1.15

SirCakez (12):

Not Chara, mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi, McMenno, grapes, Shiro, Xkfyu, SnarkySnowman, Yume, Kraskaeaque, Klingoncelt

Farside22 (3):

killthestory, Firebringer, Almost50

Shiro (2):

Farside22, Skybird

McMenno (2):

CooLDoG, Thefuzzylogic99

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1):

SirCakez

Not Voting (6):

Foxbird, randomidget, TheWayItEnds, DrippingGoofball, Creature, Reasonably Rational

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

Peridot @Peridot5xg tweeted: Let's get dat stress level up too!

" But all the monsters just come here to get you guys, and then wreck things and put us in danger! Beach City would be way safer if you guys weren't here!"

-Ronaldo,

Rising Tides, Crashing Skies

VOTECOUNT 1.16 : LYNCH!

SirCakez (LYNCH):

Not Chara, mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi, McMenno, grapes, Shiro, Xkfyu, SnarkySnowman, Yume, Kraskaeaque, Klingoncelt, Reasonably Rational

Farside22 (3):

killthestory, Firebringer, Almost50

Shiro (2):

Farside22, Skybird

McMenno (2):

CooLDoG, Thefuzzylogic99

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1):

SirCakez

Not Voting (5):

Foxbird, randomidget, TheWayItEnds, DrippingGoofball, Creature

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

For Titus

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@ALL

(Fit me into his creature scumread by saying he distanced me by sheeping me)

How many times did Shiro repeat this misrep BS? How many times did I explain it to her? How many times did she ignore my explanation and still phrased it the way she did.

THIS IS SCUM.

VOTE: Shiro

No.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

That's fine, but don't launch attacks at me based on things you don't care about and make me waste my time telling you why you're wrong. Thanks.

-Cerb

Pedit: why wouldn't they be able to use it to kill conftown in lylo? I mean, a lylo gate would be reasonable, but seriously, the power is absurd in scum hands. It's like a scum gladiate without any of the risk inherent in that.

If I received your ability, and then I picked the kill survival, I'd be unmurderable without scum wasting a crap ton of kills. If scum dayvig you now, they can murder conftown. It's a chess match.

say rr wasn't required to make mastin not dead, would you lynch them?

Does Cakey pushing RR give you any hesitation at all?

no, cakez is a known busser

If there was someway to steal his event, maybe but even then the person who claimed that would just wind up dead.

How does Cakey usually bus? Sample game?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@McMenno, would you vote DGB with us?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

How does Cakey usually bus? Sample game?

in summer mafia he bussed me, really his rr scumread was just textbook distancing

@McMenno, would you vote DGB with us?

I'd rather vote rr currently

Why do you feel that Cakey was engaged in textbook distancing?

Do you think DGB is town or scum? What about Farside? What do you think of RR's assessment that we could not lynch Farside before him?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Mastina, Can we slow the roll here on RR? I'm not hard townreading them anymore but I'd like time and the opportunity to mend bridges with Farside and Almost.

Well if it means anything I'm kind of in a daze that Cakez was scum.
I actually asked the mod if this game was bastard.
I'm going to reread with this in mind and see what I can figure out.

@farside why do you think this game is bastard?

this is interesting. I do believe that firebringer is not "dead" yet, so to say

@rr so you believe that titus made a slip, I'm going to assume that this information has been discussed in your alliance, otherwise you wouldn't know about it

Just didn't see cakez as scum.

@Mastina, Can we slow the roll here on RR? I'm not hard townreading them anymore but I'd like time and the opportunity to mend bridges with Farside and Almost.

Well if it means anything I'm kind of in a daze that Cakez was scum.
I actually asked the mod if this game was bastard.
I'm going to reread with this in mind and see what I can figure out.

Ok, can you look at DGB in particular? I'm inclined to think that DGB and RR are opposing alignments or scum and scum but I'm not sure on that. So basically, I think there's at least one scum in DGB and RR.

It's ok that you're in a daze. I'd be that way too. I just want to get to the bottom of what caused our communication error and resolve it, because I tried everything I could to see what you were thinking and you just kept saying I was ignoring you. It was very frustrating.

Part of me felt like I wasn't being listened to in regards to how I was reading thing. Felt like all I was getting was ramrod with cakez scum over and over.

Anyways that's just how I felt most of day one and just got irritated.

I'll look at dgb.
I was scum reading rr just because how they narrowed reads to 2 players to make an iso on. It just read as information without analysis.

While we're chatting, what if I told you I mentioned to cakez he could be possible saved if he switched his vote to Shiro and he refused.
Would you find that odd?

This is the closest thing I found.

What did Cakey want when not scumread?
What did he say that was so town looking?
What were his thoughts on NC versus RR?
Did you consider Cakey was just a known deadman when you tried to save him?

You just took 2 post I made from day 2.
I'm not going to go over something I posted already for you to keep ignoring Beeboy.

As for the last 2 questions, Cazkez said he was town reading NC. He had a scum read on RR but he said that titus was basically wking him to get him to respond for himself.
I don't know if cakey thought he was a dead man. I just told him to switch his vote. He refused and I told him it was his funeral. I then proceeded to get the joy ride disbanded. I did that for a good reason that has to do with what I can do.

Have you ever seen Titus use a strategy where she whiteknights scum to get them to talk? Does Cakey pushing RR give you any hesitation at all?

I don't know.
And yes Cakey's push does give me hesitation in regards to RR. To be fair I didn't think about it with RR. The reads this game are beyond awful, and I expect a bit more from the duo when it comes to explaining who is scum and why.

Why do you expect more and what do you expect? Do those doubts override forcing RR, if scum, to have Mastina, myself, or Yume survive the first kill against us?

Read SU1 and you might understand why I expect more.
I don't understand your second question.

So when are you going to explain your town read of shiro there?

Titus explained SU1 to me. RR had bad reads at the start and so did everyone. On Day 1, scum sat back with two all town wagons in play for a good period of time.

Do your doubts on RR make it to where he shouldn't use his event?

Don't you think the position that Cakey took was strained on RR regarding my behavior towards them? That I only spoke to them to get them to talk?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Oh and before I forget
Obi I'm not responding to another question till you respond to mine at this point.
Or get titus back in here.

I missed the Shiro question.

That's more of Titus's townread that I'm content to let go today. She knows Shiro better than me.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Oh and before I forget
Obi I'm not responding to another question till you respond to mine at this point.
Or get titus back in here.

I'll get Titus up. Eventually. She's usually available if I skype her.

Can you leave your questions you want her to answer?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Oh and before I forget
Obi I'm not responding to another question till you respond to mine at this point.
Or get titus back in here.

I'll get Titus up. Eventually. She's usually available if I skype her.

Can you leave your questions you want her to answer?

Why is Shiro a town read?
That's all I want to know.
If she says POE you 2 can kiss my ass with the why can't you explain your town read on cakez shot right here and now.

Looks like I get to do random meta research.
Dreads more reseach.

Ok, I am here now Farside. Sorry I stepped out. I am not feeling 100% so I apologize if you cased Shiro and I ignored it in advance. The short version is that I think I know Shiro and they are town. Their pushes don't look fake. They aren't ironclad but I have so many scumreads pushing there is meh.

What Cakey townread? I never townread Cakey.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Oh and before I forget
Obi I'm not responding to another question till you respond to mine at this point.
Or get titus back in here.

I'll get Titus up. Eventually. She's usually available if I skype her.

Can you leave your questions you want her to answer?

Why is Shiro a town read?
That's all I want to know.
If she says POE you 2 can kiss my ass with the why can't you explain your town read on cakez shot right here and now.

Looks like I get to do random meta research.
Dreads more reseach.

Ok, I am here now Farside. Sorry I stepped out. I am not feeling 100% so I apologize if you cased Shiro and I ignored it in advance. The short version is that I think I know Shiro and they are town. Their pushes don't look fake. They aren't ironclad but I have so many scumreads pushing there is meh.

What Cakey townread? I never townread Cakey.

I was referring to you asking me to explain cakez town read.
Frankly.........
Sigh
I have nothing nice to say about your reason to town read shiro.
Especially after all the shit you gave me day 1 about my town read reasons.

Yah, that's about the nicest I'm going to be on the subject.

Is there a case on Shiro that I missed?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

My D1 Alliance with SC had the following content:

Format: Post #-Poster: paraphrased content.

0-Varsoon: Welcome, Day & Night chat, You can't be killed by normal killing actions, you posses an extra vote if both vote the same target (can't be the hammer vote).

1-A50: Tell me if this was a mistake and you're going to kill me. Enjoy the Event.

2-A50: Did you notice the double-vote thing?? It's also the same in Joy Ride, so we may have TWO extra votes at our disposal. If everybody in Joy Ride votes together that's SEVEN votes.

3-SC: Yeah, the extra votes are great. Better not use them randomly though.

4-A50: Agreed. You know full read lists isn't my style, but here goes:

{mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi}
{Sir Cakez, Foxbird, Skybird, Farside22, Firebringer}
{CooLDoG, Reasonably Rational, killthestory (jumps to top if confirmed IC), McMenno, SnarkySnowman}
{Everybody else} << Null
{Yume, Not Chara, kraskaesque}
{Nobody} << Stong Scum

Of course, these are subject to change. For instance, I'm not confident if my scum read on kraska is genuine. It could very well be due to her playstyle in general.

5-A50: Your lack of contribution here worries me. I wanted to be able to read you better and vice versa.

6-SC: Apologies. I wasn't at home for the day and haven't been all caught up. Why is Yume nullscum? And why is Obi top town?

I also want to ally with Mastin tomorrow as my role can protect her. She's scumreading me though, so I could use your backing here.

7-A50: As I said in Event thread; Obi is semi-confirmed bc of the Exposition opening post by Varsoon. he said Obi was "trustworthy". that bit couldn't have been put out there randomly, I don't think.

Yume is bc she confirmed Mastina too fast. I would've slept on it myself to see who will try to get rid of Mastina from the word go, and especially so when Mastina was already universally town read, so it looks like a thing scum would do for town cred.

8-SC: I read the OP, and I don't see how that makes Obi semi-confirmed. Also Mastina confirmed Yume through her role.

9-A50: You think Varsoon would say that about OWk out of nowhere? I think this was a result of an action or event, and my only concern would be the possibility of it being a scum ability, in which case it "may" be misleading info. Aside from that it could very well be that OWK is a modified IC of some sort.

Yume, I'm not fully updated on the matter. Could it be that Mastina's action only works on Town?? If that's the case then OK.

10-A50: You & Mastina.. we can see about that when we get closer to the deadline.

11-SC: Where does it say OWK is trustworthy? I don't see that.

12-SC: Found it. That's probably random stuff for flavor purposes. It also mentions KTS & Foxbird.

13-A50: I don't see how Mastina's ever going to change her read on you when you're pushing OWK with persistance. How about you ally with grapes as he proposed? That should clear you of any mishaps for the 2nd night in-a-row.

14-A50: Why did you pick me to ally with? What did you expect to gain and/or why do you think I needed protection?

15-SC: Obi is extremely scummy. I picked you bc my townreads were already taken, I didn't want to ally with someone useless. It had nothing to do with the protection tbh.

16-SC: I only started townreading you after we got allied, to be clear.

17:A50: Why are you sheeping KC on a vanity wagon FGS?? I would sheep NC over KC, if I didn't have my own reads that is. At least NC is active and engaging with most everyone. The problem is I'm suspicious of NC itself.

18-A50: How is NC's giving up townie? When YOU give up (as town) you tend to throw the towel. They are "still going to be around all night" and they "don't think they'll be lynched today". That's sowing doubt in the minds of the undecided.

also, there are endless attempts to get counter wagons going, and THAT is worrying. Sure enough, they're not all scum driven, but scum are for sure pushing some and waiting for one of them to take off. That includes the wagon on you, which was triggered by NC itself!!

19-SC: What is KC? When town give up they don't leave. They keep posting. Scum though will just leave. I -for one- get salty when I give up as town.

20-A50: KC= Klingoncelt.

21-SC: I didn't sheep her.

22-A50: Try to use your influence on FB to get him back in the Event PT and persuade him to vote Shiro with us. With FB & CD joining then you on top that wagon could be @ 9 votes instead of 4.

23-SC: Do I just outright tell him to get back in the PT?

24-A50: No idea. He's not being himself at all, and I'm starting to worry about the person he is IRL.

25-A50: Yo, man .. why is it everytime someone's trying to argue FOR you being town you turn the table on them and discredit their case yourself? you did that top me and to farside already. You're spitting in my face and telling me I can't read you for shit!!!

26-A50: Man, if you're scum -after all my hard defense on you- it'd be just like how you hard defended scum!me on my very first game here. If you're scum, consider us even. Just saying.

27-A50: Am I still BP here after Joy Ride has been disbanded?

28-SC: Bc I would feel bad being townread for the wrong reasons. Yes you are BP, until I'm dead.

29-Varsoon: Thread Locked with SC's lynch.

N.B. Wow, I thought that would be easy. It wasn't. I don't think I will do that to the Joy Ride PT as I initially intended.

Because we're TOWN and our event requires STRESS +1 or higher. We couldn't trigger it last night.

To be clear; this is one more reason why I think RR is town. My own event (Joy Ride) required a +1 stress level to be triggered. It had a priority level of 2, and would have been suppressed by events of priority 1 (or 2 if I lost a tie-break). In essence, I know there's at least one event that would've prevented me my Joy Ride from being triggered if that was also triggered, and I believe it to be RR's.

Town events/actions have restrictions. Mod told us that scum would have those events. RR's claim doesn't clear him, but his ability makes it dumb to lynch him as its public and controllable.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Yea Drixx literally fuck off. Your logic was "lol scum wouldn't be put into a neighborhood automatically with an IC"

That's what lost us the game. It wasn't me that hammered fuzzy who had a weak flavor claim and was scum by play all game. It wasn't me that quick lynched me while I was asleep.
It was you, mastin and cerb that lynched me (obvtown with obvtown flavor) that made a play far too ballsy to come from scum and then proceeded to lynch a fucking COP CLEAR in mylo because you guessed the setup wrong.

In a retrospectively very flavor indicative game.

But I understand that you like to bring this up because it's all about the blame game.

Like, you talk about my ego. You don't know me. And you certainly have a lot harder of a time letting go shit that happened a year ago in a internet forum dedicated to a detective cops and robbers game based on a kids television show than I do.

Let's stop living in the past.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

i don't have time to read up the thread right now. still, i did check, and i don't think i saw a mention of this.

SirCakez's ability allowed him (and his team, later) to look for Jasper. i can't think of what this would indicate besides Jasper being the flavour of a traitor. (as she obviously is not a "Threat To Earth" if they would have to search for her) but the player with Jasper flavour could also in no way be aligned with earth.

if someone could think of a different thing Jasper could be, i am all ears. i brought this up because i hadn't seen it being spoken about, but there has been talk of a traitor between Klingoncelt and DGB.

Jasper likely is a traitor, which necessarily requires reworking scumteam theories from Day 1, as there is a Scum member that the scumteam doesn't know. Jasper could be a powerful town role but that is unlikely based on even my dumb flavor knowledge.

Anyone really good with flavor here?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

In other news would anyone like to squad up this climax. Looking for 1 atm. Possibly 2.

Why two to ally? NC said the same thing.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I got a lumpy potato last night too. What flavor is that associated with guys?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

OWK, ally with me next phase. I need some things to tell you. If you want mechanical reason, I have one

Spoiler:

I can BG my ally

Spoiler:

Scum can read this too. I think I am going to hang with you then. I kinda need to talk with someone. Don't lock me in yet but yeah. Leaning that way.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I got a lumpy potato last night too. What flavor is that associated with guys?

you're a popular customer aren't you

Yeah. Food obsessions.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

OWK, ally with me next phase. I need some things to tell you. If you want mechanical reason, I have one

Spoiler:

I can BG my ally

Spoiler:

Scum can read this too. I think I am going to hang with you then. I kinda need to talk with someone. Don't lock me in yet but yeah. Leaning that way.

i hope i don't seem pushy by reminding you of my own request. you mentioned wanting to sort players you ally with as well.
grapes and kraska can both vouch for me being active in the neighbourhood, if that helps.

Yume: i'm not trying to step on toes. i'm very sorry if that is what i'm doing with you. if i could explain everything publically, i would.

That's why it's not a lock.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Cerb, the anger is not helping although real. I have been there.

Talk to me about NC?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Cerb, the anger is not helping although real. I have been there.

Talk to me about NC?

What about NC? I've done nothing proactive for the game today, on principle mainly. Just read along and responded to stuff. So if you're asking for the deeper NC thoughts I said I'd get around to figuring out at some point, I don't have them.

-Cerb

Then tell me your unprocessed thoughts.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Yume/@Mastina, I am going to lay out the dilemma here and get your feedback.

My role suggests a NC//Farside/myself alliance would be best strategically.

By day play, allying with Yume is superior. The Suikoden repeat potential there is awesome.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

We break the game with an RR-scum-lynch, though. If you'd be interested in that.

The RR wagon reeks of the beer wagon to me from SU 1.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

What about Yume NC and myself as an alliance?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

On the day
When the sun is down
Crack the cave open
Unleash the power within

Yume, you me NC alliance? Then I don't have to choose?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@NC how would a you me Yume alliance work?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@NC how would a you me Yume alliance work?

i'm not sure what you're asking.
it would have to be in the season finale.

if you're asking for my opinion, i am happy with that.

Ok, so not now for that..

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

We still have to choose.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Meh, I kinda don't feel like lynching Shiro. Why shouldn't we lynch you?

Because I fucking said so.

No joke.

I'd rather lynch Shiro than farside.

Did you even bother to read my wall which had a section on her?

This is NOT farside's scumgame.

I did. I am doing my own work to solve this. Lynching RR today is strategically dumb.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Meh, I kinda don't feel like lynching Shiro. Why shouldn't we lynch you?

Because I fucking said so.

No joke.

I'd rather lynch Shiro than farside.

Did you even bother to read my wall which had a section on her?

This is NOT farside's scumgame.

I'd like your thought on my meta read and references to shiro.
She admitted that she is more aggressive as scum, except apparently while in a hydra, Titus hasn't confirmed this.

We were aggressive wherever we hydraed. I confirm that. We never rolled scum.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

And what would your have said had I NOT unvoted?

That would depend on what you said on the matter.
If you said nothing at all about it, I probably wouldn't have said anything either. I'd think your vote was bussing, but I think that anyway even with the unvote, so. No real difference there.
If you tried to claim you keeping your vote on meant you were town, I'd call bullshit.
If you claimed that leaving your vote on was something you regret, then I'd have reason to doubt my scumread on you.

This being said

, while I still think you're scum, and I recognize how stupid it is for me to kill the momentum on the wagon I basically have hand-crafted since D1 (especially when you combine those two together!), I'm actually considering letting you live today. There's multiple reasons for this combined together, so for now at least:

VOTE: Cooldog.
My vote can easily come back if I later change my mind about this.

VOTE: Cooldog's replacement hydra

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Information was sent about my RolePM, including that it wasn't a fakeclaim. I have confirmation that you got the information.

Well here's news for you:
I didn't.

I got two PMs today.
One was confirming that I was in an alliance.
A second was V's standard daystart PM.

I also call bullshit about you being able to give info that is alignment-confirming. Because

I

have an ability that sounds an awful lot like yours, and I can't do that. You claim to be a miller, like me. And you claim to have the ability to send information, like me. But you are claiming that your ability can send information that confirms your alignment, which Varsoon went into explicit detail about how impossible it'd be for ME to do that.

So essentially: you're claiming to be a carbon copy of my role (save my episode ability), except stronger.
V having two millers, I'd believe. Giving those millers literally identical abilities except having one be stronger than the other, not so much. So, you've got some explaining to do. I received no information, and I'm under the distinct impression thanks to MY role that you can't do what you're claiming to.

Should we be lynching Grandma then?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

VOTE: Cooldog

@Farside, I had twin wings in cool dog's slot. My bad.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Meh, I kinda don't feel like lynching Shiro. Why shouldn't we lynch you?

Because I fucking said so.

No joke.

I'd rather lynch Shiro than farside.

Did you even bother to read my wall which had a section on her?

This is NOT farside's scumgame.

I'd like your thought on my meta read and references to shiro.
She admitted that she is more aggressive as scum, except apparently while in a hydra, Titus hasn't confirmed this.

We were aggressive wherever we hydraed. I confirm that. We never rolled scum.

Ok I did a one game search and now I'm going to give you a dirty look.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=65594
How the fuck is that aggressive?

We tunnelled the fuck out of Toog.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

The highest priority is a priority 0 Event, followed by 1, then 2, then 3, etc.
If a priority 1 and 2 event are triggered at the same time, only the priority 1 event resolves.

This does raise a concern of mine.

My power was a priority 0.
Almost50's was a priority 2.
I also submitted my ability in the prequel phase.
By this logic, shouldn't my ability have resolved first, rendering Almost50 unable to trigger his?

Because that'd imply that FIRST, my event lowered stress by two...AND THEN, some event raised stress by two...where Almost50's power then triggered...with a THIRD event lowering it down by two again.

Varsoon, can you confirm no mod error in event triggers has occurred?

Hey, Cerb, I'm letting you live, you can tell me if there's a flaw in the above concern, this sort of mechanics thing is your field.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Because that'd imply that FIRST, my event lowered stress by two...AND THEN, some event raised stress by two...where Almost50's power then triggered...with a THIRD event lowering it down by two again.

It's when you SUBMIT your action trigger request, not when it resolves. I submitted mine when the stress was @ +1, so I did meet the requirements at the time. Anything beyond that point is irrelevant. (i.e. if stress changed after that, my event has already been submitted).

Wrong.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Well misleading.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Can I answer Mastina?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Well misleading.

Ask Mr-V then. It's how it went.

P-edit:

An event cannot be submitted in advance either using my logic. If the stress doesn't allow it NOW you can't submit it.

Now let's not forget the Prequel was neither Exposition (obviously) nor was it Climax. It was a dynamic phase. Maybe I'm wrong in my assumption, but I'm basing it on the fact I did submit my own event @ +1 stress and it did get triggered.

Correct but misleading.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

The highest priority is a priority 0 Event, followed by 1, then 2, then 3, etc.
If a priority 1 and 2 event are triggered at the same time, only the priority 1 event resolves.

This does raise a concern of mine.

My power was a priority 0.
Almost50's was a priority 2.
I also submitted my ability in the prequel phase.
By this logic, shouldn't my ability have resolved first, rendering Almost50 unable to trigger his?

Because that'd imply that FIRST, my event lowered stress by two...AND THEN, some event raised stress by two...where Almost50's power then triggered...with a THIRD event lowering it down by two again.

Varsoon, can you confirm no mod error in event triggers has occurred?

Hey, Cerb, I'm letting you live, you can tell me if there's a flaw in the above concern, this sort of mechanics thing is your field.

Would it be too much if I pulled a you and directed you to read the mechanics post, under the heading dealing with events?




Alright. My event is a priority 0 as well, and as I said previously(and the OP says), priority 0 events are essentially removed from the priority system. They can just occur in tandem with other events.
Which means your concern is unnecesary, no additional event was required for both of yours to trigger. During the prequel, the necessary requirements were met, and both were triggered. There was nothing stopping them from resolving simultaneously at day start, and they did so.

-Cerb

Ding ding ding

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I'd like your thought on my meta read and references to shiro.

I don't put much stock in it.
But here's where I'm at.
OWK, Almost50, you, Yume, grapes, Killthestory, McMenno, and Creature, I'm willing to bet the game on being town.
Kraskaesque, TheWayItEnds, and Skybird, I have strong townreads on.
TheFuzzylogic is a weak townread.

That leaves Klingoncelt (scumread), Twin Wings (lean town), Xkfyu (waiting to divulge), Shiro, DGB, Cooldog (scumread), RR (scumread), Not Chara (lean town), SnarkySnowman, and randomidget.

There is apparently a traitor in the game, rendering interactive tells less useful than they should be. If both my lean towns are correct, there should be at least one scum in Shiro/DGB/SnarkySnowman/randomidget. If any of my scumreads are wrong, that jumps to two.
Said scum may or may not be groupscum, but would be scum all the same.
So I am

very, very strongly

taking your Shiro read under consideration.

I am at you, me, Yume, grapes, kTS, McMenno as bet the game town
Random Shiro ss lean town
Rr null but bad lynch
Nc, creature DGB lean scum, first two might be townbeards
Klingon x CoolDog Farside as scum, but Farside may be beard

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Oh yeah bi, tunneling is not the same thing I'm referring to in regards to shiro

Tunnelling isn't aggressive?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Meh, I kinda don't feel like lynching Shiro. Why shouldn't we lynch you?

Because I fucking said so.

No joke.

I'd rather lynch Shiro than farside.

Did you even bother to read my wall which had a section on her?

This is NOT farside's scumgame.

I'd like your thought on my meta read and references to shiro.
She admitted that she is more aggressive as scum, except apparently while in a hydra, Titus hasn't confirmed this.

We were aggressive wherever we hydraed. I confirm that. We never rolled scum.

Ok I did a one game search and now I'm going to give you a dirty look.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=65594
How the fuck is that aggressive?

We tunnelled the fuck out of Toog.

EbWoP: "Scum game" = "game". No idea why I typed scum in there.
The pile-on of people who will now claim that it was a slip in 3... 2 ... 1 ...

It

would

be appropriate and oh SO karmic considering the crap you pushed on farside, but oh well. Tempting as that offer is: for now I'll pass.

Oh come the fuck off it Mastin. Titus' slip in Steven Universe was ONE word. I believe the sentence that caught her was "Sonic can get refilled and get the refill" and it was that last bit where implicitly she slipped and revealed she knew Sonic could copy people's abilities. That was a tiny miniscule detail. Scum slips are sometimes the tiniest of things.

And by the way, ask Yume about those two posts and what I told her. Then look at the posts following them.

~D

Not in the same realm at all.
I was in a pt with both players and forgot whom did what.
You really have no point at all in regards to it.

Olive branch... I don't trust you but Mastina does. Lay off RR today, and I don't go after one person you pick today.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I'd like your thought on my meta read and references to shiro.

I don't put much stock in it.
But here's where I'm at.
OWK, Almost50, you, Yume, grapes, Killthestory, McMenno, and Creature, I'm willing to bet the game on being town.
Kraskaesque, TheWayItEnds, and Skybird, I have strong townreads on.
TheFuzzylogic is a weak townread.

That leaves Klingoncelt (scumread), Twin Wings (lean town), Xkfyu (waiting to divulge), Shiro, DGB, Cooldog (scumread), RR (scumread), Not Chara (lean town), SnarkySnowman, and randomidget.

There is apparently a traitor in the game, rendering interactive tells less useful than they should be. If both my lean towns are correct, there should be at least one scum in Shiro/DGB/SnarkySnowman/randomidget. If any of my scumreads are wrong, that jumps to two.
Said scum may or may not be groupscum, but would be scum all the same.
So I am

very, very strongly

taking your Shiro read under consideration.

I am at you, me, Yume, grapes, kTS, McMenno as bet the game town
Random Shiro ss lean town
Rr null but bad lynch
Nc, creature DGB lean scum, first two might be townbeards
Klingon x CoolDog Farside as scum, but Farside may be beard

Almost in bet the game town too.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Oh yeah bi, tunneling is not the same thing I'm referring to in regards to shiro

Tunnelling isn't aggressive?

Not in the category I'm using as examples of scum Shiro, if you actually read it, which you probably didn't.

Enough of this. Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I am not reading. You did the same thing with my Cakey read.

What are your thoughts on Klingon? CoolDog?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Tell rr to stop being reach your. Maybe have Cerb in the thread this game day since he's the more rational of the two.
I don't believe you'll follow my read to be fair

Can you rephrase this? I do not follow.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I am at you, me, Yume, grapes, kTS, McMenno as bet the game town
Random Shiro ss lean town
Rr null but bad lynch
Nc, creature DGB lean scum, first two might be townbeards
Klingon x CoolDog Farside as scum, but Farside may be beard

That's 17 players out of 23 still in-play!!! Please repost.

Almost bet the game town
Skybird TWIE Kraska lean town
Fuzzy lean scum
Twin wings lean scum

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Why are we voting for an empty spot? Can Someone explain why we are voting an empty spot?????I kinda expected more from Mastin.

vote Ob1

I cant quite explain it ...... but there just something off about this hydra, The interaction with SC seems a bit off. Maybe I am reading into OB1 posts to much but my guts is telling me this is a good vote,

OB1 can you explain why me and Twin are scum. This seems random.

Your prior slot was lurky and scummy.

What else you got?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

So quick question: should I bother reading the last 18 pages? Is there any real content or is it just fucking around, pregame bullshit?

I have a lot of trouble with large themes, not necessarily because of the larger player size but because a lot of players tend to take it as an excuse to shitpost and troll and what have you rather than playing the actual game. This pisses me off which also tends to tilt my scumdar and read players as scum who are probably just town shitting around. It also increases my apathy levels and makes it more difficult for me to get firm reads. I know I can't be the only player like this; farside mentioned it earlier in the thread. Cool it on the shit posts; post well or not at all. There's already going to be a lot of noise in this thread. Firebringer, in particular, needs to tone it the fuck down.

Probably should do some real content too. But what content do I have?
Hmmmmm.

Well.

Creature is my strongest non-Mastin/Yume townread (i.e. based purely on play).
KTS is town.

I mostly just have a list of players I am peeved at but I think TheWayItEnds stands out as good scumread material.

Vote: TheWayItEnds

Creature is my

strongest non-Mastin/Yume townread

(i.e. based purely on play).

Then what is this from Sera O.o

I've gotta assume there is something going on behind the scenes with regards to Yume/Mastin that is not being claimed and unless Mastin rolls out and calls Yume scum, Yume is staying on the townpile regardless of what they do and/or Mastin dies. But I hope we get some clarification before that happens.

I am voting TWIE because currently he hits the profile for likely lurker scum. Not my strongest scumread as someone seems to have inferred from my vote, but the one I want to vote at this juncture in the game.

Almost50: we have not been warned against claiming, but we have been warned against relying on flavor to try and solve the game.

Unvote
Vote: McMenno

McMenno vs SirCakez, I prefer McMenno.
Mastin, why do you think McMenno is town? I am really interested.

When I have more time, I will iso Not Chara. They have posted an awful lot so it's hard for me to get a lock; I want to delve deep into their mind and play to get the understanding I want.

Cakey was scum.

Prefers lynching town over scum.
Awkward distancing with Cakey.
Weak push on TWIE.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Oh and the last guy who pushed me as scum excusively, Cakey.