Wake's Massive Role Madness - Game Over

[Almost50]

VOTE: Parama

I should have played on an alt with an obnoxious name with umlauts and stuff.

YOU were in my first game on this site??

VOTE: Varsoon

I don't know why, but it's as good a vote as any!

[Almost50]

Official Vote Count 1.01

Parama

(7): PeregrineV, iraonavp, Creature, DrippingGoofball, TownBlock, Hot Chocolate, Varsoon

Fire Assassin

(2): hebichan, Cookie Bakers

Varsoon

(1): Parama

Blanche

(1): CCC

Not Voting

(31): MathBlade, shos, Almost50, RachMarie, Accountant, Skybird, Foxbird, Fire Assassin, Klingoncelt, BlackStar, Seraphim, VA-11 Hall-A, Aeronaut, amalgam, Lapsa, Bacde, Shaziro, Egg, Narna, serrapaladin, Boem_u_dusi, boring, Elitism, Blanche, long_island_medium, Bellaphant, AlpacaAlpaca, Skelda, Elyse, BBmolla, Drixx

With 42 alive, it takes 22 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2016-08-26 19:30:00)

I thought you said votes before the official day start won't count!

Regardless, let me catch up and see if there's anything worth bringing up.

[Almost50]

who the he double hockey stick is this va 11 person?

Dunn + Zach (neither of which I'd be willing to lynch on the opening 3 days short of an outright guilty on the slot).

[Almost50]

YO, i havent addressed this to capacity but parama's wagon is stupid as shit

Oh look some whiteknighting of a RVS wagon where you need like 57 people to lynch

VOTE: VA-11 Hall-A

get off you cur

-Dunn-aligned

First point on the townie-ness column. Not a conclusive indication, but an indication non-the-less.

[Almost50]

like what the hell is this

like you can read, can't you?

Pretty sure Cookie Bakers has a scum head.
Pretty sure its Titus.

Can't wait to hear from Shiro though.

Pretty sure I don't understand this post. How can one head be scum but not the other? Is the SLOT scum or town??

there's so many players to keep track of, gosh, this is why i usually don't play large games

where is egg, i want to spam "hat" at them for 20 posts but they're not here yet

Pick 4-5 that you think you can read well and concentrate on them. Pick 10 if you can accommodate that many. Once you've finalized a read on one add someone else (same if one of them already flips).

Because I don't buy 2 vts in a role madness and DGB is town. Iraonvp being awkward means zilch to me. His claim means a lot.

I'm hoping my memory's not playing a trick on me, but I seem to remember we had 2 VTs in Borderlands, which was a much smaller Large than this one. If my memory serves right, Dwlee & Nero were the VTs in that game.

[Almost50]

By the way this is kind of weird and I don't really know what you're thinking

Kind of weird that you ignored all my other stuff and called my town for that to be honest

*Sigh*

You're more likely to be a nag and troll when you're town. The minute I saw you sign as "Dunn-aligned" I got the feeling you might be town in this game. I still could be wrong though, which is why I said it was inconclusive, but the fact you're not aware and had to ask makes me think you're not faking it either (i.e. you're not scum playing to your town meta).

But, whatever. I still have a LOT to catch up, so maybe I will change my mind or maybe my town read on you will solidify. We'll see.

[Almost50]

fire, mind voting if you're going to pay lip service to the wagon tho?

I unfortunately can't support this day 1. I like both heads of the hydra too much to lynch them day 1 in any game.

this is dumb

@Titus
All of her posts are awkward. "Backing off" of a vote on someone because she didn't know who they were, subtly implying I could be scum by saying "hey Elyse weren't you scum last time?", using this emoji which someday I will write an article about how it's a scumtell, saying she has an ira game she can check on and not following through, 184 is pointless, voting ira because she doesn't think 2 VTs in a role madness game that's 42 players is possible.

Actually, Fire has got a point, and your criticism of others opinions is starting to rub me the wrong way.

A Titus-Shiro hydra is not going to make it to D3 as any alignment. If they're town scum will off them, and if they're scum the OTHER scum will. Let's not forget this is MB, and thus there will always be someone who wants that hydra out of the way regardless.

[Almost50]

So, Dunn made some really bullshit votes while I disappeared, just gonna.. clear up that whole situation because I don't think Cookie Bakers is scum (or Parama for that matter)

VOTE: BlackStar

- Zach

We both know Dunn would likely vote the other 41 slots before the day is over if given the chance to.

My vote was not random and I will seek out its fruition.

Why do I feel like this phrase was written by STING?!

This is dumb town, and good lord just nightkill me if this is what passes for knowledge of role madness.

You and I both know you WILL be NK'd before we even go down to 21 players alive, so you probably don't have to wish it aloud.

Can anyone weigh in on whether these two actually disagree like this?

I can confirm if these two were separate entities in this game that they will literally have been (a) tunneling eachother, and (b) never agreeing to vote the same person .. EVER!

This is part of why it should be interesting to see them hydra'ing together. It'd be amusing, I can tell already.

[Almost50]

who joins a role madness game
if they don't play mafia
if they don't know role madness
it's masochism otherwise

My very first game (not on this site) was a role madness, and I just went on with it. I probably would not have been absorbed by the game if it wasn't the case.

can we all please stop being idiotic

That'd be a first in all written human history. If "all" stopped being idiots we probably would not have had any wars.

given there are at least 15 scum in this game,

Where the hell did "at least 15 scum" come from?? I mean, it's officially a 32-5-5 semi-closed setup, so EXACTLY 10 scum is all! Bad move, miss congeniality.

Btw, I'm not quite comfortable posting like this (I usually respond post-by-post), but I'm trying not to clog the thread with too many posts and/or wall quotes!

[Almost50]

Signature Y U No Work

sorry for cluttering the thread with filler

Fail. Can no one see my signature?

CTRL Panel >> board pereferences >> Edit posting defaults >> Attach my signature by default.

[Almost50]

<3
Holy shit Drixx I did not know you were in this game
Like I still haven't read the entire playerlist, I guess
It hasn't sunk in.

Spoiler: @Varsoon ONLY

I'll saves ya the trouble: I'm a conditional town vig, and I can only kill a player if I could figure out their flavour name!

[Almost50]

VOTE: RachelMarie

Vote not moving I CC RachelMarie. I was in a good with Fire Assassin and ONE other person.

That'd be the 3rd neighbourhood outed in the game. I don't see how this is a CC though, since Egg also claimed to be in 2 different hoods!!

[Almost50]

I thought it was BlackStar and was going to come on and vote for him, but

I guess I can go with a VOTE: Vote: CCC.

I didn"t like some of his posts yesterday, some of his posts seemed like they were spliting hairs in a scummy way like his, "You aren't being suspected for being a VT, you are being suspected for claiming a VT" to ira. My gut says Town on boring though

so I'm not sure I can support a lynch on him.

Excuse me, but what does the bolded even mean?

[Almost50]

Neopolitan in a game with masons is a scumclaim.

In a normal game? Yes.

In a 42-players Role Madness?? Not really.

And Irao should have checked on a claimed VT. That's what the role is good for. You first verify the VTs and then look for other VTs who did not claim for possible Goons!!

[Almost50]

Probably 90% of the game is not PRs

You're kidding, right? I mean, the mod explicitly stating there could be duplicates of the same role is enough for you to see how far you're off. People spending most of D1 debating whether the game should include JUST ONE VT or possibly more due to the sheer number of players is another indication, and that's only if you have never played in a role madness before! There might even be some named vanillas just to give your role a false positive on someone who actually does nothing!

[Almost50]

VT is only town-aligned, I don't get positive result on a goon.

Please re-read your role PM to see if it EXPLICITLY states you ONLY get a Vanilla on a VT on a . Better yet, just check the rules (spoiler: misc), where I quote "'Vanilla Cop,' if used, will return a result of 'Vanilla,' 'Not Vanilla,' or 'No Result.' Targets that yield a result of 'Vanilla' are Vanilla Townies, Mafia Goons, and a Serial Killer with no abilities or modifiers." and compare to your PM phrasing.

[Almost50]

is neopolitan not "vanilla cop"?

Not according to the wiki, but I know many mods consider them the same (would call it Neapolitan but actually make it work like a V-Cop).

[Almost50]

there's no sk this game too, it's 32/5/5
which means those were two vig shots

the rules have been edited for specifically THAT, so we don't know for sure anymore. wake may have opted to include a SK after all.

[Almost50]

i don't like you, a50

You're not the first and you won't be the last. Just get a number and stand in line!

[Almost50]

OK, finished catching up. I'll just state my concerns about Irao and let the wiser guys decide:

1- I do not buy that both Irao and Shaziro decided to target eachother on N1 in a 41-players setup (41 after HC was lynched, so each of them had 40 choices, which is 2.5% to target any given slot at random. For them to be targeting specifically eachother that'd be 0.0625% a chance!). I do understand this is not quite the case as it was not "random", but still.. what are the odds?

2- Irao only announced their target after having been outed by Shaziro. He could've targeted just about anyone else and didn't want to out their real target.

3- I don't see a Neapolitan targeting someone in a Role Madness to confirm they're NOT a VT when that person didn't claim a VT in the first place.

On the other hand:

1- Shaziro did confirm Irao's Neapolitan claim.

2- I suspect "something" and I'm assuming "something" based on "something" (that is to say I could see an explanation of the Irao situation based on thread post contents), so Irao may still be town after all.

I would rather sheep varsoon as I see no point in him lying about an investigation result so early in the game. If DGB flips a VT we lynch Varsoon next, and he knows it, so the check result is very likely accurate.

Then again, I refguse to be a hypocrite and will wait for DGB to come and explain why she fake claimed (just as Irao did get the chance to) before I decide which way to go.

[Almost50]

I can hardly keep up with this game and all it's events. I'm a 3-shot Fake Claimer, so here goes:

@Red Mafia:

I'm Blue!

@Blue Mafia:

I'm Red

@SK (if existent):

I'm a Psychiatrist

@Town:

I'm Town, and I don't have a gun.

Elyse has gone quiet and I enjoy her tunneling me, so ..

VOTE: Elyse

Now let's get this game going!

[Almost50]

Also: Here's a good advice to you all.. have your medication handy at your grasp. I intent to get you all to pull off your hair (if you're not as bald as I am)

[Almost50]

What could have happened is someone roleblocks Parama. Then they try to kill you. But a doc saves your life. Probably Comparing Realities or the other person doc.

What makes you think this is a possibility when we had the exact number of kills on N2 as there were on N1?

Something about Mathblade doesn't bode well with me. Titus backing up Elyse is worrying.

I now have 4 in my "Top Town Reads" category and another 4 in my "very likely to be town". Anyone else can get lynched but I would wager an arm and a leg on Elyse being scum in this game. (Someone said this is Elyse' town game, but to me this is her exact play in Borderlands, another multi-ball large we were both in).

@Titus:

I'll give you one more chance there. I'm Town, and I do NOT have a gun. Thank you!

[Almost50]

@Almost50,

We have limited shots. We're going to check influential players due to the limited about of checks we have. Right now, Elyse was right that all you had done is rehash. Besides, you're going to have to nightkill me to order me around on my checks tvym. You want to be checked? Do things. Get reactions from people. Get involved.

~Titus

I did and nobody cared! I poked Elyse. I claimed a vig target to all possible scum parties. I declared I'm neither a killing role nor am I an investigative (All types of cops will investigate as having a gun).

And I don't care much if you investigate me or not, but if you scum read me by now there's going to be a BIG question mark about your alignment in my head for the rest of the game. There are 2 people in this game that I fully believe should have been able to read me by now, and that is you (Titus) and Dunn. There are others who are also likely to figure me out soon, but none of them has as much experience with my play under various circumstances as you do.

[Almost50]

a 50 have I ever played with you before in completed games from the past?

Not to my knowledge. Not unless you have an alt.

[Almost50]

Townblock, you aren't sounding very convincing to me. I'd like you to explain reasoning behind roleblocking Valhalla and Skelda in more depth.

Valhalla- obviously they meant to draw a lot of attention with that quickhammer. don't feel like investigatives would bother with them (as investigative you should investigate null reads... not some loud player attracting investigators). felt like it might be wifomy scum. it's better than rolling the lurker dice. I admit we didn't really think it through, though

So you would roleblock someone you wouldn't investigate? LMAO

I seem to recall "someone" .. "claiming" to have blocked "Dunn" revently .. for the "same" reason!

I can't remember who or where though!

[Almost50]

*recently

[Almost50]

Sorry, but I'm paranoid of my own play!

VOTE: TownBlock

I also was counting on Dwlee posting to get a better read on that slot.

[Almost50]

Oh, but I WILL get back to you eventually, Elyse

[Almost50]

Hmm. Always might be scum

At least type the name correct!

[Almost50]

So almost guy is in my hood and also feels like scum. Also feel like.math is scum.

I'm semi VLA and phone only for a bit

This.. from the guy who has yet to post in the hood!

[Almost50]

I'm fully convinced Shaziro is town, and the whole "action" vs "type of action" thing is a slight misunderstanding. In the wiki itself; it says "learn what

form

of action they took that Night (

investigation, protection, killing, etc

)" in the description alright, so I do understand why some are bothered. However, but under Variations (where it mentions the Tracker, Watcher, Motion Detector & Voyeur) the word "form" is omitted, thus the Follower "learns what action a player performed," is also valid.

I suggest we let Shaziro live for today and see what he brings us next (if he's not dead overnight). After all; I don't think we have enough protectives to protect all these claimed PRs. I mean, Cookie, Boem, Varsoon & Shaz, plus scum are probably looking for each other too. Oh, and let's not forget the Masons are outed too. What a mess for Doctors, BGs and what not!

[Almost50]

OK.. here's my say: Mathblade & Elyse are scum on opposing sides (Elyse is blue, Math is red). I know people tend to not look back at what the dead said, so I'm going to appeal to those who might:

VA-11 & Boem

. I'd toss in a few others, but I'm not sure they'd give my opinion the same weight if I do flip tonight. Dunn, Zach & Boem should.

[Almost50]

Almost50, on the other hand, decided to say something in the hood about why to think Shaziro is town that he withheld from his argument here in thread. Still trying to figure out why.

You mean the part about smith?? Bc I didn't think anyone would care in the main thread.

But if that's bothering you: All I said was that smith -the reviewer- opted to phrase his post here in a way that gives me the impression the Follower on his "other site" would actually give the "precise action" as opposed to "type of action". I said smith is relatively new to MS and that might've been the reason.

[Almost50]

My only role is to be someone's neighbor. I'm not a neighborizor. I have no actual PR.

Frankly, I'm starting to get irritated by people who state their role to be X then go around to explain it as Y.

A FRIENDLY Neighbour is NOT a Neighbour at all. They could ALSO be placed in a neighbourhood, but the Friendly Neighbour Role means always Town aligned and can send a night PM to a target of their choice telling them that. For example, the "target" will receive a message telling them "hebichan is town". That confirms you to your target, but you don't automatically know the alignment of that target yourself.

What you say here is that you a Neighbour, meaning you are in a neighbourhood. What you were asked was who did you confirm yourself to; since you said you were a FRIENDLY Neighbour.

Now which is it? Are you a Neighbour or a Friendly Neighbour? And if the latter, then who did you target in the previous 2 nights??

[Almost50]

Comparing Realities -

Jack-of-All-Trades

[Cop/Watcher/Doctor/Motion Detector/Neapolitan/Jailkeeper]

Comparing Realities (Accountant) was not a neighbor, and we had a different friendly neighbor flip.
Looks like a fakeclaim.

~dave

VOTE: hebichan

I like this short analysis. It looks like a "real" slip.

VOTE: hebichan

[Almost50]

Cookie Bakers is confirmed scum, and of the same alignment of hebichan. Their defense of hebichan using arguments that have already been responded to is really bad. Like, "he could've meant neighbourizer too" when hebi already explicitly said "I'm not a neighbourizer".

[Almost50]

Mod, can you verify that comparing realities' flip is correct?

Comparing Realities is JoaT/Neighbor. Fixing now.

UNVOTE:

[Almost50]

How come dunn/Zach get all the hammers

That's a Dunn specialty. He has exclusive rights.

[Almost50]

Lapsa and Map Wolf make good vig targets.

Suggestions on who to GS are open.

Elyse's got a gun.

Tell me now it's untrue.

[Almost50]

Hail bussing in the final hurdle.

[Almost50]

I was like ..

Red: Math + CookieBakers + hebichan + 2 of Boem/Irao/Creature

Blue: Elyse + Lapsa + long_island_medium

but I'm not sure what to make of TowbBlock including long as a scumspect of the other team.

[Almost50]

Neapolitan can only check if they are VT or not, so I will always get negative result.

I will just choose someone randomly, the ability seems useless anyway...

I agree. Neapolitan is pretty useless with a lot of PRs and/or neighbourhoods. Chances are you will get "not VT" on most anyone you target, so I suggest you stay put lest your target ends up dead and then you confirm my suspicion on you being Red Mafia

[Almost50]

Hello all!

VOTE: Vedith

To my recollection, you always subbed into SCUM slots in my games.

Hi, yourself.

P-edit:

*BAD WORDS* LET ME POST!!!

[Almost50]

ohh ok was not aware of that I have not played with many gunsmiths and there was not a cop in the game when I did.

Standard SKs should NOT return guilty to a Gunsmith, bc a "standard" SK uses a KNIFE for the kill, not a gun.

[Almost50]

Seraphim was probably a vig shot, and it was a good one.

Which reminds me: We only had 3 NKs tonight.

[Almost50]

You're scum with Hebi aren't you Math?

FINALLY.

If we exclude YOU & Boem from suspicion, the red team suspects are : hebichan + Irao + Creature + Math
The blue team has Elyse + Lapsa + ???

You may refer to my post at the end of last Day's phase stating my scumspects for each side.

[Almost50]

Sure, I'll go for a claim instead.

VOTE: Lapsa

Can the next one be Hebi or Math though? Pleaaaaase?

You can count on me voting either of them 3.

VOTE: Lapsa

for now.

[Almost50]

doc on Titus N2. crumbed with Cardigans and X-files nonsense

no, i didn't target Titus N1. tunnel on CCC was convincing enough

used gunsmith on almost50 N1 and he's clear

UNVOTE:

I need to go back to catching up BEFORE I cast a vote!!!

[Almost50]

Mod: What result would a gunsmith get if targeting a joat with both a doctor and a gunsmith? If that was town? Scum?

Please read MISC. on page 1. Gunsmith on JOAT with gunsmith gives a positive result (i.e. carrying a gun)

[Almost50]

Lapsa (4): DrippingGoofball, Skybird, Shaziro, MathBlade
Egg (4): Boem_u_dusi, RachMarie, Creature, VA-11 Hall-A
hebichan (2): Cookie Bakers, Lapsa

Interesting! Math (blue) is on Lapsa (red). Creature (blue) is on Egg (?? but willing to add them as the mysterious guy on red). Lapsa (red) is on hebichan (blue).

It all fits to me.

[Almost50]

I wouldn't even mind stringing up a50 to be honest................

Thanks for the vote of confidence, man. I really appreciate it.

[Almost50]

Lapsa (4): DrippingGoofball, Skybird, Shaziro, MathBlade
Egg (4): Boem_u_dusi, RachMarie, Creature, VA-11 Hall-A
hebichan (2): Cookie Bakers, Lapsa

Interesting! Math (blue) is on Lapsa (red). Creature (blue) is on Egg (?? but willing to add them as the mysterious guy on red). Lapsa (red) is on hebichan (blue).

It all fits to me.

What are you even talking about

You really think all of those are scum?

No. I'm just happy letting my cat type instead of me!

Hell, YES, I DO!

@DGB:

Are you in any neighbourhoods?

[Almost50]

VOTE: Map Wolf

[Almost50]

Notably, the big thing is that:
My Neapolitan result was 'Not Vanilla Town'.
My Rolecop result was 'Vanilla'.

Soooo, yeah.
VOTE: DrippingGoofball

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

[Almost50]

That counter!! I believe Thor is voting DGB, not Drixx.

[Almost50]

Actually Nacho IS pretty awesome but he is not in the game

Don't know who Nacho is but they can have Nachos.

You get Apple.

[Almost50]

uggh image fail a50

a lot of times (like with FB) you have to right click show image in another tab and then use that link to work.

I did. I even previewed it. Let me try again..



And that won't work the URL is
THIS

And I'll even toss is a short youtube video

[Almost50]

That's a silly request denial from 1mdb. I'm just sharing the poster of jack Black's movie "Natcho Libre"

It shows at first in the preview then again when I first post it. A few minutes later it doesn't!!

[Almost50]

I have lost count we are at what 3 red and 2 blue amongst the dead scum?

4 red already (2-Shot Tracker + Roleblocker/Neighbor + 3-Shot Watcher/Neighbor + Goon), so there is a chance one of the missing kills is due to the red team being exterminated (but I'm not giving it much probability).

2 blue flipped (2-Shot Voyeur + Roleblocker/Neighbor) so at least 2 more still alive (leaning 3).

[Almost50]

I think I'll wait for Boem, Shaziro & maybe Varsoon night action results before I vote.

[Almost50]

Do you guys also realize the town has had only JOAT powers as far as I remember? All others were vanilla.

Are you referring to another game?

Tracker
1-Shot Bulletproof
JK/Neighbour
Motion Detector/Neighbor
Friendly Neighbor
Voyeur/Neighbor
Bodyguard/Neighbor
Ascetic Citizen/Neighbor
Mason/Neighbor
Backup Vigilante
Doctor/Neighbor
Gunsmith/Neighbor
AND 3 JOATs

[Almost50]

Finally day started. Boring targeted Drixx last night.

VOTE: boring

That's why I wanted to wait for people to speak before I vote.

VOTE: boring

[Almost50]

I think that Creature may well be scum. I also wonder about Almost50.

I think Skelda is town, as is MathBlade. Obviously, our reamining masons are town. I'd like to say Thor is town too, but it's by no means a sure thing.

I'll vote creature for now and try to make more sense of things later.

VOTE: Creature

This probably spews Creature as the clear town, at least not boring's faction.

My notes suggest Creature is neither red nor blue. He is thus either town or 3P.

[Almost50]

Thor, you weren't visited by anyone.
So you weren't roleblocked/jailed.
No one tried to kill you either.

I think he's saying the VIG might've been RB'd/JK'd

[Almost50]

Finally day started. Boring targeted Drixx last night.

VOTE: boring

That's why I wanted to wait for people to speak before I vote.

VOTE: boring

What do you mean?

People were getting vote-happy all over at the start of the day, but I said:

I think I'll wait for Boem, Shaziro & maybe Varsoon night action results before I vote.

Shaziro didn't add much (in terms of helping me decide where to vote), and neither did Varsoon. YOUR result did.

[Almost50]

VOTE: boring

Thor is pushing a mislynch on me before he goes down as he probably knows knows that if he doesn't push it soon it'll be harder to mislynch me later.

L

+1

[Almost50]

I'm a neighbor, if that helps. My action is to post in my PT : "Hello?" every week or so.

mate, I may hate your play at times, but I just adore your sense of humour!

[Almost50]

Omg! My belly is aching from laughter. I think PV means Gollum with Gollum's avatar!

[Almost50]

Gollum did claim a Miller, so that's where I got it. I could be wrong still though.

[Almost50]

Am I hallucinating?? I thought I counted TWELVE votes on boring already!!

OK, I'll pretend I'm crazy. I'll just sheep Boem and ..

UNVOTE:

[Almost50]

So, has the game shifted to "start you own wagon by voting someone who has not been voted yet"??!!

If that's the case I'm afraid I'm going to have a really hard time picking! But how about I vote for someone I'm REALLY uncomfortable with their play and their excuses?

VOTE: Mathblade

If I'm going to die, I'm gonna go down trying. Your pushes have been horrible, your reads have been horrendous, and to top it all your persistent dismissal of there being an serial killer is inexplicable (unless YOU are the town vig yourself, in which case also you vig targets have been less than optimum).

I'll vote Math, hebi or Narna (in that particular order), and I request to be watched tonight in case I'm getting NK'd for it.

[Almost50]

Mathblade did not lynch CCC. Instead they ended up voting iraonavp on their own.
Mathblade did not lynch TownBlock. Instead they ended up voting Shaziro on their own.
Mathblade did not even lynch Map Wolf, and ended up voting Lapsa ... ON THEIR OWN.

THREE TIMES a lonely voter looks like an attempt to avoid pissing someone off.

They only voted boring who was probably the last of his team.

This makes me think Mathblade is blue, knew boring was not on their team (so highly likely the last member of the opposing team) and felt it safe to finally end up voting on the lynchee.

OR, Mathblad IS the SK (less likely) who has been trying to kill the idea of us looking for one.

I'm even sticking out my neck and suggesting Math is actually the NINJA scum/SK (whichever). Anyway I just feel the need to flip this slot today as a top priority. Hebi and/or Narna can wait for someone to check them out with a night action.

[Almost50]

I agree with Rach here. Gollum should be a Vig shot. Let's not waste a lynch on a claimed Miller when we're not even close to LyLo

[Almost50]

A 50 any ideas without outing the vig which I do NOT want to do to make him or her PAY ATTENTION?

Because at this point I would be willing to leash the vig who has basically been killing off townies some of which make no sense for a vig kill and leaving people like Gollum, Pere alive?

Nope. Unfortunately, I have no idea how to do that. I would suggest the Vig may have run out of shots (or blocked or his shot got protected/JK'd.. etc.), unless they shot serra ... which is also a possibility, but I'm leaning towards Skelda being the Blue Mafia kill and Serra being the SK kill (thinking they might've hit on Blue Scum).

However, I have nothing solid to prove my guess to be the more likely possibility.

[Almost50]

Yep. If he flips scum, people who were starting counterwagons to save him will be on my radar.

There are currently FIVE, and I believe at some point there were at least SIX others. Are saying we could still have up to six scum??

Ok, maybe you meant one or two of them might be. But what if Thor flips TOWN? What would be your stance/line of thinking then?

[Almost50]

VOTE: Thor665
If I'm right and Thor is town, shame on you monsters.

If you think he's town, why on Earth are you voting him?? WHO do you think is scum?

[Almost50]

how about some more creature votes...

As I said before, my vote will be on Math, hebi or Narna. Nobody else.

Creature is neither red nor blue. If he's the SK he will be caught later on, but I don't think he is the SK either (let me clarify: I'm confident he's not red or blue. I "think" he's not the SK either, but I'm not as confident). I have like 6-7 players I'd lynch before Creature tbh. I cannot control the night action though.

[Almost50]

beetlejuice

I would go for creature or hebi or even GOLLUM over Thor, I am not as convinced he is blue scum.

Start a rally on hebi and I'm game, but promise me Math will be next inline if I end up dead by the moro.

[Almost50]

What do you find suspicious about me a50?

I'll tell you later. It's a mix of theory and a couple of minor indications that cannot be strong enough on their own, yet combined make sense.

Right now I seriously want to push Math to the lynch. You're currently my #3 on the lynch list, and depending on Math's flip that could drop further, so I really don't want to do the effort of ISOing you + writing up a full case.

[Almost50]

I think the remaining Blue scum are Narna, Boem, and Skelda.

I think the remaining Red scum is Hebichan or Shaziro or in third Thor.

Also Math earlier pushed Dunn/Zach as blue, and pushed Cookie ..

I mean,

IF

this is town, I still don't want them alive to direct town decisions or -much worse- decide the game outcome in a LyLo.

I'll repeat:

Math is pushing TOWN. Math has NOT been on the lynch of scum. Math is forcing a No-SK theory, but ignoring to give a proper/acceptable alternative.

We already had 3 red scum flipped, so NONE of her 3 candidates is red (I suspect hebi to be her blue partner though). Skelda flipped town already, and I don't think a single person remains who doubt Boem being town aligned. Now even IF Narna is scum, that's a 1 out of 6 hit rate. Now add Val & CB and you get a 1 out of 8 hit rate.

So you have to decide between:

1- Math is a really shitty player = I don't want them making or influencing decisions anymore.
2- Math is >>SCUM<< and has been deliberately misleading town all along.

I vote (2), but whichever you pick you need to VOTE MATH FOR THE LYNCH NOW!

I've been keeping quiet for most of the game because everything was going so well I didn't even need to think much. When you get confirmed guilties almost every day you do not push a scum read over them. I have also been hopeful "someone" will check on Math, but nobody did! Many of you seem to be hypnotized by their charm or something. Are you not seeing how bad their reads and pushes have been? I'll repeat: Math is NOT a bad player. They may run into a terri-bad period, making a couple, or even 3 bad reads, but not 7 out of 8.

Did I just say 7 BAD reads?? How about ELEVEN out of 12 9counting the 3 scum they didn't contribute to their lynch either). And then you tell me you'd be willing to lynch/vig Narna over them?? I promise you, if I was a vig (or a JOAT with a vig shot) Math would have been long gone (maybe as early as N2).

@Rach:

Please. There's some more I'm unable to explain that you must've picked up. THINK about Math's play and see if it's more likely to come from SCUM!MATH

[Almost50]

Boem_u_dusi, Varsoon and Mathblade are all scum!

And there I was thinking you might NOT be a troll! Silly me.

[Almost50]

Hey good news Mastin's role madness crazy but awesome game is over WEEE so now I got more time for all of you.

Note to self: Never again sign up for three large role madness games at the same time.

You did well there, you're confirmed here, so I don't see much of a problem.

[Almost50]

@Narna, Boem & Rach:

Please come vote Mathblade with me. I'd also call on KC, Varsoon & Elyse to join that wagon, but I doubt my spell works well enough on any of them. Maybe Rach can sweet talk KC in the masonry? Maybe someone who Elyse doesn't think of as a total goof could convince her? As for Varsoon, I think Boem+Narna voting Math should convince him.

[Almost50]

Actually, I think Math will flip Ninja, and thus will "partially" clear Thor (at least regarding that N4 result on Egg), though people may still argue it was bc Thor is Math's scum buddy that he claimed not seeing anyone that night.

If Math flips NOT Ninja though; THAT may implicate Thor, and especially so if Math was the SK (a less likely possibility in my book that them flipping blue scum, but a realistic possibility none-the-less).

The thing is Math is much more likely to wiggle themselves out from scummy situations than most other suspects. I have no reason to believe hebi, Creature, Thor, PV or even Vedith and Lapsa will live to end game if there's still multiple scum to catch. Mathblade might if we don't lynch them today. I think the Town Vig may have run out of shot already (that's as good a guess as their shot having been blocked last night, or as them having a sick sense of humour picking their targets with their kill actually going through and the SK/scum shot being blocked instead).

And Math is NOT a bad player I assure you. Mastin2's Gistou has just ended, and Mathblade was scum in a multi-ball multi-scum multi-town-factions game. Check their play to see how it is very likely for this to be their relevant scum game here.

Also, Rach was in Gistou and we both end-gamed, so she can choose to support my claim or refute it. KC subbed out early, so I'm not sure she would be willing to give us her own take on it.

[Almost50]

For instance, Math discredited Titus from the word go in Gistou, when Titus was obv!Town. The only difference is Titus died on N1 (it was an unfortunate Town Vig though), so that ended quickly.

And if you were really interested, check the Wulden PT to see Math knew exactly what they were doing, but were misleading town and survived 3 full days (got NK'd by the OTHER scum strongman on N3).

So, yeah.. this looks very much like scum!Mathblade to me.

[Almost50]

@Rach:

As I said, that is not too far fetched a possibility either. Yes, Math could be the SK, but I'd give it a 60-40 in favour of them flipping Blue.

[Almost50]

And if you were really interested, check the Wulden PT to see Math knew exactly what they were doing, but were misleading town and survived 3 full days (got NK'd by the OTHER scum strongman on N3).

let me elaborate some more on this point. Math was NOT targeted by a Town Vig (although we had at least 2 active vigs every night), and was not lynched by town either. Why? because we kept getting confirmed guilties almost every night (just like it is the case here). The difference is there were far more killing roles in Gistou (and by that I do not mean 1-shot vigs.. I mean 3 scum factions that could kill every night and 3 town vigs that could also shoot each night (2 after Titus died).

So, my point is Math has survived long in this game bc there were others to lynch and/or investigate at night, plus their effective ways of manipulation that I would very much like to see put to an end.

[Almost50]

I'll switch over to math if someone points out people other than Thor who claimed that their action failed when targeting dgb n2. This was apparently a thing, and I don't remember it.

I got an action failure last night when I investigated DGB to see if he had a gun.

...so there's that.

I got an action failure last night when I investigated DGB to see if he had a gun.

...so there's that.

My action on DGB also failed so this is interesting to me. Is DGB maybe ascetic? I know she claimed to be 1-shot BP.

[Almost50]

There.. TWO others had failing actions on DGB that night.

[Almost50]

Oh, and Skelda already flipped Town, so not even the 0.01% of lying about it.

[Almost50]

Rach? What's taking you that long? Hop on Math if you please. Thank you.

[Almost50]

Yes Thor I'm considering the possibility of a mafia doc because A50, after doing nothing all game, decides to randomly target MathBlade and whip everyone into a frenzy once your head is on the chopping block. Combined with the fact that you're still here when everyone wanted you vigged. How stupid of me.

^^ 100% Scum posting

And there was I thinking "maybe" my gut about Elyse was influenced by her play in Borderlands. Thanks for claiming though.

Would you be kind enough to tell me who the last one is? I don't think Irao would be THAT obvious defending his scum-p, so I'm sticking my neck out and giving it 3-way even chances on:

a) Bad Town
b) Bad Blue Scum
c) SK who has a utility to investigate and knows Math is a strong scum role that he needs in-play for a couple more phases to help downsize the relatively big number of conf!Townies.

[Almost50]

Lol I am being targeted because of the claim and because I actually am not derping and think Thor is town.

If I die Thor gets time.

I reach L-1 Rach can claim and we test Shaziro. My lynch should help Rach put it together. Remember I want to die

Math, you have NOT been right ALL GAME! You have always avoided the DAY LYNCH wagon. If Irao IS you scum-p, then you let him lead the wagon and you stay away, which IS like you, or -more to it- like SCUM!you.

I will -once more- refer to the most recently finished game of GISTOU, this time with final VC of D1 of tha game:

Twenty-seventh (and Final) Votecount D1

:

KuroiXHF - 15 (DrippingGoofball, Titus, A Song of Ice and Fire, No Retreat, Expedience, RAM, Salt Squad, Cephrir, Heartless, Toogeloo, davesaz, Tim, Luna Fox, BBMolla, dramonic)

Wayward Thinker - 3 (rb, Nosferatu, Klingoncelt)

Heartless - 2 (Almost50, copper223)
A Song of Ice and Fire - 1 (KuroiXHF)
Klingoncelt - 1 (Wayward Thinker)
Luna Fox - 1 (Lady Lambdadelta)
Titus - 1 (Mathblade)
Salt Squad - 1 (Stormblade)

Not Voting - 3 (RachMarie, Wake88, TheWayItEnds)

^^ Town lynchee, Math is a LONELY VOTER on "someone" (incidentally that someone happens to be their sister)

You did "soft-bus" SS on D2, joining their wagon late, and you did contribute to the lynch of LLD on D3 (also joining the wagon late), but that game had special mechanics and 7 factions with a total of 4 different win cons ..etc, so yeah .. there had to be some minor differences is the play style, but -overall- it IS you.

BTW, did anyone notice Math didn't even confront me -as of yet- about my charge on them?? They did not try to counter or discuss anything. They're just trying to yield to the wind and hope that the storm will pass.

And then they say Rach can claim when they're @ L-1?? Why wait? Why waste time if you're town? As Town you would either defend yourself, make a case on someone else or (if neither is good enough) just claim to save the time and effort if nothing more.

The way I see it is they're elongating the day to try and see who has their buddies figured out and/or try to figure out who will target whom with what action at night so they can pick their best kill.

As always, I'm starting to sound like a broken record, so I'll go back to my corner and sit there quietly. I don't think I have much more to add at this point.

[Almost50]

@Elyse:

What makes you think I'm a "doctor"?? Why not a VT? A non-consecutive nights hider/commuter? Or even -as Thor pointed out- the SK??
Also, you do realize Drixx (the flipped town doctor) was in my neighbourhood, right? So 2 doctors in the neighbourhood? Or a doctor and a nurse of opposite alignments?? Or... I mean.. what exactly leads you to specify DOCTOR here??

Also, a scum doctor who was trying to take a bullet at night instead of the town doctor?? I mean, I did mention it in the hood and -for some odd reason- Drixx decided to put it out on air in the main thread that I told him I was going to try and get shot to save the town PRs including himself. That would work for scum if this was single ball, but to say that and then he outs it in multi-ball is .. erm.. inexplicable??!!

Now the thing that annoys me the most: You've now explicitly said that my case on Math does make sense, but you're adamant on pushing on Thor based on a weak theory of me-him being linked together?? You mean you want to go after a conditional lynch over one that you admit to be a "decent" one???

[Almost50]

Don't burn us with fire please master.

just realized that i'm mixing you up with hebichan and you posted despite being replaced

still a decent firewood

Gollum has been replaced?? By whom?!

[Almost50]

Or... I mean.. what exactly leads you to specify DOCTOR here??

neither Skelda nor serra looks like vighits

Huh?

[Almost50]

OK...

UNVOTE:

@Rach:

If this backfires on town your account in my trust bank will be reset to zero after it has been fully credited for your play in GITSOU.

I actually know what Math "claims" to be, but I'm NOT buying it myself.. just ftr.

[Almost50]

OK.. who's next on my lynch list??

VOTE: Basic

Like, I still think this is a bus by Math and -maybe- Elyse (whom I keep going back and forth on), but Basic is very likely scum anyway. Just less dangerous than Scum!Math if you ask me. (What was it you said in the Isolationists thread? You got shot for being "too townie"??)

[Almost50]

For the next neighborhood post Klingon, mine is named "Southern Marshes"

Mine is "Western Mountains", and I'm all alone there by now

[Almost50]

The way Thor665 is defending Almost50 means he is scum-aligned trying to keep Almost50 on his side after Elyse's easily defensible and invalid accusation...

Irao, mate. You've been distributing those "scum-aligned" accusations/reads left and right I hardly know who you think are scum anymore. I don't even know how MANY scum you think are left. Care to elaborate in one easy-to-reference post, please? Thanks in advance.

[Almost50]

Guys, Gollum claimed Miller, yes? If he was scum he would most probably be a Goon, and we already had both the Goons flipping.

We also had both RBs flipping.

Now Red team had a Neapolitan, a Watcher and a Tracker. We only had a Voyeur flipping from the Blue team, and I will note that both the Blue Voyeur and the Red Tracker were 2-shots, so I'm guessing these are the two comparable roles in both teams (Tracker sees someone visiting their target but not what action they performed, while Voyeur sees what action has been performed on their target but not who did it).

I'm fairly sure Iraonavp's claim as a Neapolitan IS true. I just think he probably is the BLUE SCUM Neapolitan.

Of course this makes Boem a prime suspect, but I refuse to accept that this is scum!Boem, so I'm thinking Lapsa maybe the Blue Scum Watcher (or an equivalent role for balance).

VOTE: Iraonavp

[Almost50]

To be clear, I'm NOT against the lynch of Iraonavp, Lapsa, Vedith, PeregrineV, or Elyse (my preference is in that order)

[Almost50]

To both of you not voting Gollum why? And if you say Miller I say scum lie so explain harder. Let's get that bullshit out of the way. Miller doesn't excuse anti town behavior

Stop skimming, PLEASE. I did explain a Miller false claim is more likely to come from a GOON, and these are both dead.

When you claim Miller on D1 in a ROLE MADNESS the cops will know not to check you, but the trackers, followers, etc. know they should. You may give fake results to any sort of "investigative" (including Gunsmith), but not to informative. And since any scum with a PR would like to use it that means they'd be tracked or followed (or checked on by any other means, included RB & JK). That's BAD for a scum PR.

I also stated why I thought Iraonavp was a good guess because of the similarities of both scum teams composition. Irao also lied about his role, claiming VT at first, then decided to change that when he realized it could be damning for him.

So, the Town had a VANILLA COP, the Red team had a Neapolitan, and it only makes sense that the other Neapolitan in game would be BLUE SCUM rather than town!

[Almost50]

Lol I don't think the vig is listening to the thread. It only lets scum know who to protect. Assuming there is such a vig. Gollum was supposed to be vigged yesterday and wasn't. What makes you think it will magically happen?

More nacho cheese....More nacho cheese.

What do you mean "assuming"?? You yourself favoured the idea of Creature being a vig kill over an SK kill, and you have been trying to promote a "No Serial Killer" in this game. You don't think Blue Mafia shot their own buddy, do you? Or do you think there's a multi-shot PGO in game? Or what??

[Almost50]

We would be willing to take mislynch today if you promise to thow all of varsoon, boem and mathblade into the fires of mordor

I'd be lynching myself over Varsoon at this point of time.
Boem I could only see from a setup spec/balance PoV, but certainly not by own play or game proceedings.
Math is still a possibility, but the longer it takes the dimmer the chances look.

@Rach:

You really need to be lynching elsewhere. Gollum is bad town, and even if they are scum they do not pose a threat to anyone, not even in LyLo. In fact, I'd be willing to lynch then just before LyLo BECAUSE they are town. If I suspected them to be scum I'd be taking them to LyLo to guarantee the town wins.

But, to kill an unnecessary debate, let's just assume they're scum; for the sake argument. That leaves us with one more Blue scum. The more dangerous one. The mastermind. Help me out here.

[Almost50]

Anyone see any associatives with Creature?

Creature was a busser and if we "only" vote based on his voting behaviour then THOR is the right lynch.

D1: Creature parked his vote on a scum buddy (CCC)
D2 He lynched his buddy.
D3: He lynched his other buddy.
D4: He lynched Red Mafia.
D5: He ended up on Thor's wagon rather than the Red Scum lynch.
D6: He lynched Red Mafia.
D7: Parked on Thor.

However, there's a counter-analysis. The one regarding Thor himself. He clearly is NOT a busser (didn't lynch either of CCC or TownBlock). In fact the first lynch wagon he was on was DGB's and then also lynched boring. Yesterday he was cross-voting Creature.

Seeing as today Irao is the main pusher on Thor I'd say it's a 90% "either/or" situation. One of the two is scum, and my vote is on Irao (who only missed the Map Wolf lynch) because I'm bringing in the scum squads balance into it.

[Almost50]

a50 this is something that HAS TO HAPPEN GOLLUM MUST DIE

I do NOT object. In fact, I do fully support the notion. But WHERE is Gollum going? Nowhere! If they're scum they'll be lynched sooner or later. I want to setup the scene for the living town in case we get closer to a LyLo. Don't let them choose between totally mysterious options.

[Almost50]

Like, lynch Irao now. If you make it to LyLo and Gollum is still around (I very much doubt it) then you know whom you're voting already.

[Almost50]

I didn't mean you as YOU. I mean any given virtual town-aligned player with a brain above their shoulders. If you're going to be NK'd, you want to leave the surviving town players strong indicators and limited choices. You should be helping them help you win. Let's say I will be the one in LyLo, with both Irao and Thor (or Irao an Lapsa, or Vedith and PV, or ...) I'd be looking for a corner is a round room. Totally lost, in other words. I'd be most vulnerable to manipulation. Whereas of I'm with -say- Narna and Gollum I know whom I'm voting already.

Also, you maybe 100% confirmed, but that doesn't mean scum don't need to take out the likes of Varsoon, Narna, Shaziro, in addition to Boem. That's 5 townies who need to be killed over 5 consecutive nights, and that's not even counting the possibility of someone else getting confirmed (like Math). There's plenty of room for us to argue here, but the bottom line for me is "lynch someone doubtful over someone more confirmed bc the doubtful could either confirm someone else as scum or town". Let's keep the game tight for scum, not for ourselves.

[Almost50]

lapsa ira pere

and gollum needs to die

See? We're not too far off. I could get behind a Lapsa lynch and I'm leading the charge on irao today. It's just the order in which they need to go (including Gollum).

irao flipping scum makes Thor town by 99% IMHO. If we're wrong and irao is town, it'd be Lapsa followed by Thor. The Gollum lynch does NOT affect anyone else, bc they haven't had much of an impact on the game and have not had much interaction with most anyone. They mostly ended the day not voting too, so no info to be gained.

Oh, and ftr, the only lynch they've been on was TownBlock's. Yesterday they ended up voting Mathblade. Go figure.

[Almost50]

I like Almost 50 for SK if one exists.

I love you too, you know!

[Almost50]

This game.

What about it??

Btw, where do you stand about my setup spec regarding scum teams balance?

[Almost50]

I'm watching the town self-destruct in amusement (Not really. It's disgusting!!)

[Almost50]

I'm watching the town self-destruct in amusement (Not really. It's disgusting!!)

How are town self destructing besides lynching me over obvious scum Math?

You for one are giving very strange lynch suggestions and weird setup spec. Others are voting the only one MOD-CONFIRMED player (Rach), and -of course- lynching today IS bad play (but please note that I said "today", as it may become a necessity if we do not catch scum today).

Also, people are skimming and/or not paying much attention, and finally people being conf!biased of stubborn about getting things going their own way for the whole game.

Like, I said before I would be blaming Rach if Math flips scum, but I'm not too sure now even IF Math does flip scum. Rach seems to be the one doing most everything in her powers to solve the game regardless. She maybe right or maybe wrong, but she is paying attention, reading every single post and commenting with actual genuine thought (i.e. not parroting someone elses cases/views).

Anyway, if things stay the way they are I might be tempted to vote you just to show a point and get the day to end. I fully expect you to flip TOWN MILLER just as you claimed, but everybody seems to be taking the easy route and pushing their luck a little too much.

[Almost50]

though we don't understand why a50 was pushing Math as scum via scum meta and then stoppeed? Are all you guys this confusing on this site?

I stopped bc nobody's listening and I hate talking to myself. I also stopped bc Rach believes Math is town, and I both trust Rach's rational and expect her to know more than I do due to her Mason and neighborhood status.

my own neighbourhood consisted of me, serra (who didn't type a single letter in the PT) and Drixx, who started off well, but when I tried to expand the discussion he seemed t stop. I think maybe he didn't trust me much or -maybe- didn't trust serra so didn't want to talk about stuff in the PT. He didn't even inform me who he had protected AFTER he had done it, so I have no idea whom to even suspect more/less in terms of being the one who carried out a kill on any given night.

[Almost50]

vote you just to show a point

What point would that be?

That many town players ARE mindlessly taking the easy route and not thinking things over at all. I'd probably be eating my shoes if you do flip scum, but I'm like 90% confident that won't be the case.

[Almost50]

What do you think of Thors suggestion that scum are already on our wagon?

not sure of that one. I'm voting Irao and believe him to be scum so that's one scum NOT on you.

We both know Rcah is NOT scum, and I'm strongly against your reads on both Varsoon and Boem (i.e. I'm town reading them). Shaziro is also town.

That leaves Elyse, Math and Vedith IF there's scum on your wagon. I think only one could be (but I'm not sure which one, and I'm not even positive there IS scum on your wagon).

Perhaps you didn't get me right. I said I would hammer you to prove "TOWN" was mindlessly taking the easy route.

Gun to my head I'd suggest Irao, Lapsa and Vedith are the 3 remaining scum, but I'm not totally clearing PV, Elyse or even Math just yet. Everyone else is town in my book.

[Almost50]

are you sure you are not Nero?

This made me laugh! No. Nero is better than this, I think. I mean, Varsoon AND Boem as scum?? Please!

[Almost50]

We need to vote Gollum today Rach.

I do not know the vig and only my hands have touched my nacho cheese so far

FTR; I retract my previous statement. I no longer know what Math is referring to with this nacho cheese stuff. I had previously perceived that to be a crumb of being MACHO (nacho .. macho .. you know) and especially so when she said "an apple a day ..". That doesn't make sense with the above post though. What the heck does "only my hands have touched my nacho cheese so far" mean in that context?? Also "my nachos are only good for me" doesn't make sense either.

[Almost50]

Now that is fucked thanks for outing me.

I liked my pants Almost 50.

How come every game I am people depants me?

This needs to stop being a thing.

I don't understand your play AT ALL. I thought claiming Macho WOULD draw an NK, bc scum would know you cannot be protected. Outing you now though would be GOOD bc Boem is likely to be watching over you.. or Rach again.. so AT LAST one of you will not be killed tonight, OR one scum WILL be caught in the act.

[Almost50]

and we are looking for a neo or variant maybe a VC

T.H.I.S H.A.S B.E.E.N M.Y P.O.I.N.T F.R.O.M T.H.E S.T.A.R.T !! LYNCH the ONLY claimed Neapolitan: Irao.

He claimed bc he didn't expect things to turn the way they did. He thought it would be safe and sound townish. Little did he know that the TOWN would be assigned a VC, while the RED SCUM would be assigned another Neo.

He also LIED about his role at the start of the game, claiming VT, and only claimed Neo when he was investigated.

Irao is CONFIRMED SCUM. Then we look for the 5th one.

[Almost50]

we are looking for an X shot tracker or variant of tracker

We're probably not looking for that. We has a 2-shot Voyeur (Blue) and a 2-shot Tracker (Red). They're the inverse of eachother (Tracker knows their target's target, but not the action, Voyeur know the action on their target but not the perpetrator).

We're probably looking for a 3-shot inverse of WATCHER (That would be a 3-shot Follower), OR an actual 3-shot WATCHER. Does THAT make Boem or Shaziro suspects?? Maybe, but I don't think so and I have them both as town in my reads.

[Almost50]

3 shot watcher and 2 shot voyeur match up

No they don't. A Watcher is MUCH stronger a role than a Voyeur. I'd say even a Tracker is stronger than Voyeur, but is slightly weaker than Watcher.

[Almost50]

varsoon is also a claimed neo

Are you even paying attention? Varsoon's a JOAT!

[Almost50]

You however are trying to avoid a cop.

how?

Miller -by definition- is not a good COP target. The cop will get a GUILTY.

HOLD ON. I want you to go check your role PM and tell me EXACTLY what it says in regards to your role. In specific: I want you to explain the term "Miller". To WHOM do you investigate positively?

[Almost50]

MathBlade (5): Shaziro, Almost50, Gollum, Lapsa, Narna

[

Basic

(4): Elyse, MathBlade, Almost50, Narna

See? Math was the leading wagon, not creature. They were trying to save Math.

I think you're starting to crack under pressure. So, Narna and myself are double voters? Bc we both appear on BOTH wagons, which proves you quoted them from two different VCs!

[Almost50]

Does THAT make Boem or Shaziro suspects?

for me - similar shades of gray as it is with iraonavp

and if i had to pick between those fellas - would rope Shaziro

Not exactly. You see, we already had a flipped TOWN Vanilla Cop. We don't have any other claimed followers/watchers (although we did have flipped Tracker AND Voyeur of our own).

The way I see it is those (Boem & Shaziro) are ours and that's why both scum teams had RoleBlockers and we only had a JOAT with a one-shot RB. He also had a one-shot Neapolitan, and ANOTHER JOAT also had a one-shot Neapolitan, which is all we needed to catch a goon (our VC result vs a Neapolitan check = guilty goon)

This means we absolutely do NOT need a town full Neapolitan to catch scum. Irao is 100% Blue Scum Neapolitan.

I'm now waiting on Gollum to explain how his Miller works exactly to decide if he is town or scum. He has made a couple of mistakes of late, and I WOULD be inclined to slam dunk him now, but I want to give him ONE more chance.

[Almost50]

@Gollum:

Don't you dare go afk now. I need your EXACT Miller role ASAP. You're @ L-1 already. If you don't talk soon you WILL be lynched regardless (also if you speak the wrong words I will hammer you myself, just FYI)

[Almost50]

A single miller in this setup makes me laugh
so hard.
like what

Especially when no cops have flipped.

I think it is fake.

Will hammer Iroanavp but I really think Gollum should be lynched today.

Right now they're both confirmed scum. I asked about the details bc we had only one-shot cop (one of the JOATs). What we did have is a full Vanilla Cop, and I can hardly see how a miller worked with that on it's own (VC needed another result to confirm a guilty. Otherwise, we're all "Not Vanilla" to them).

The only way Gollum's claim would've made sense if they were millers to the Gunsmith, which is what I expected to get from them. It wasn't their claim and thus I'm 95% placing the X mark on them (5% doubt that maybe there's something I'm missing with all those overlapping roles).

So, yeah.. Gollum & Irao are scum, but I can assure you Irao is precisely blue scum. Not sure if Gollum is Blue or the SK.

[Almost50]

@Boem:

You'll have a tough night deciding who to watch. You've got Rach (confirmed), Math (Macho) or Shaziro (Follower) (I think that's it. Not sure if Varsoon still has shots of anything left).

VOTE: Gollum

Oh, and remeber to lynch Irao next even if I'm gone (I don't expect to, but who knows? Maybe Gollum will flip SK, Irao blue, and they will panic over my unexpected resurge which surprised even me, and decide to take me out. Their loss though!)

[Almost50]

skybird also had a role cop and maybe the other JOATS have cop investigations.

And HOW does a miller work on a ROLE COP exactly?

[Almost50]

"Miller" if investigated by a Role Cop

My exact point. So, the Miller role/modifier is meaningless with a Role Cop, as that would CONFIRM them being a Miller instead of getting a false guilty on them.

[Almost50]

A50 hammers Gollum right when his Iraon wagon starts picking up steam, and tells us to lynch Iraon tomorrow if he dies.

Forget the gs clear, lynch a50 and Iraon moving forward 100%

are you claiming scum too or just being a main character in Beavis and Butt-head?

[Almost50]

I mean, the Irao push -and him eventually white flagging- was mainly done by myself. Also Gollum is 95% NOT going to flip green. He's probably the SK, which means we just got rid of one NK. I fail to see any logic behind that moronic suggestion you put there.

[Almost50]

A50 hammers Gollum right when his Iraon wagon starts picking up steam, and tells us to lynch Iraon tomorrow if he dies.

Forget the gs clear, lynch a50 and Iraon moving forward 100%

a50 is SK

So blue is Ira and Lapsa?

So, Scum are me, Math, Ira, Lapsa, Varsoon, Boem, and God knows who else you've thrown shade on, and you expected to live EVEN IF you were town?? You're HILARIOUS!

[Almost50]

What makes you think we will flip non blue?

I hacked your account and read your PM (seems to be the fad to respond like that recently).

[Almost50]

"Miller" if investigated by a Role Cop

My exact point. So, the Miller role/modifier is meaningless with a Role Cop, as that would CONFIRM them being a Miller instead of getting a false guilty on them.

this is a stupid statement.

Thank you, my precious. You still don't get the ring.

[Almost50]

A50 hammers Gollum right when his Iraon wagon starts picking up steam, and tells us to lynch Iraon tomorrow if he dies.

Forget the gs clear, lynch a50 and Iraon moving forward 100%

a50 is SK

So blue is Ira and Lapsa?

So, Scum are me, Math, Ira, Lapsa, Varsoon, Boem, and God knows who else you've thrown shade on, and you expected to live EVEN IF you were town?? You're HILARIOUS!

We find it entertaining that you are trying to discredit our SK read on you.

sure you do. Because the normal town reaction there is to accept being accused to be the SK.. by none other than the SK themselves.

You really think after what you did this day phase that I will take anything you say regarding your alignment seriously?? I'm waiting on smith to come on line and end the day to show me which way your "toot toot" swings for sure. That's it.

[Almost50]

"I'm going to hammer you to prove that town is wrong about you!" Why would town say that?

You don't get to ask me questions anymore. You're dead. Your body is melted and consumed down in the molten lava. YOU ARE NO MORE.

[Almost50]

Again, WHAT did ANYONE do that seemed town to you? You know what? I'm not going to respond to anymore shit from you. If you flip SK, Vig can shoot Lapsa to end the game. If you're not the SK, Vig can still shoot Lapsa and I'm alright getting lynched if that will help the town clear a mysterious (and possibly powerless) slot. Either way, I do NOT believ there is a 6th Red, nor do I believe scum teams would be given a Roleblocker AND a Doctor each. That was a sick joke.

[Almost50]

*I meant irao up there, not Lapsa

[Almost50]

It's almost 1:40 PM in here and I have been up all night, so I guess I can see the flip later tonight.

@Shaziro:

Did you still doubt he was Blue scum??? Seriously.

The one problem remaining for me is whether BLUE would have another Goon (i.e. 6 Blue vs 5 Red). there reason being Read had a TRACKER while Blue only had a Voyeur (a much weaker role), so even if Blue were given a Watcher they'd still be weaker than the Red team, and a mere Goon may look like a convenient compensation to get the balance right.

On the other hand, our flipped JOATs collectively only had 2 Neo shots, so that sheds a little doubt on there being 3 Goons, although all of them COULD have been caught the Gunsmith anyway (or the Watcher, or the Follower ..etc.)

Or maybe the they would have a FOLLOWER instead, which would've served more like a role cop, with all JOATs being semi-Millers to the Follower to limit it's power?

I'm obviously ranting, and my mind is running in loops. I really DO need to go get some sleep. See you later.

[Almost50]

Gollum has made mostly valid points all phase. Meanwhile, you just lynched a townread over your scumread for seemingly no reason other than "muh Rach". This is suspicious behavior almost regardless of Gollum's flip (unless he flips sk of course).

then you absolutely have not been following the game. I asked Gollum to tell me the exact Miller claim he had in his role PM, and he said it was a Miller to COPs. A "Cop" we only had ONE SHOT from in all our JOATs collectively. Further more, that meant he would NOT be a Miller to the Gunsmith for example, and for a Role Cop (also one shot) he would've appeared as .. A MILLER. Finally, for out VT, a Miller is no Miller bc most everybody in this game would return NOT Vanilla, so that isn't even close to false guilty.

So, a Miller that is no miller to anyone is actually an SK that gives a FAKE RESULT to the VC (they return Vanilla when in fact they're the SK). GOT IT?

Now, which would you lynch first? A stand alone killer, or a member of a 2-scum team (Blue should be down to 2 members now)?? I prefer to take out the SK to limit the NKs to just one from the scum 9with the possibility of another from the Town Vig).

[Almost50]

Yeah, Almost50 is deliberately misinterpreting what I said because he's scum-aligned... The hammer was highly suspicious, too.

That's NOT gonna work, I assure you. My advise is to KEEP QUIET and take it like a man. Anything you say can and WILL be used against you.. AND YOUR PARTNER.

[Almost50]

So.. who are we mislynching today? Obviously not iraonavp bc he IS Blue Mafia, but the town probably wants to listen to some BS to satisfy someone's curiosity or paranoia.

irao gave us all a detailed confession he thought was going to help his cause. He then got on the receiving end of some harsh criticism, probably bc his flip tightens the loop on his partner, and maybe even the SK, so he tried to make it look like it was a joke, but I urge to go back and reread that post and see if some joker would phrase their joke as he did and with those precise specifics.

VOTE: iraonavp

P.S. Obviously, it's Lapsa or Varsoon that's going to be the remaining Blue Scum after irao is gone.

@Rach:

See? That's the 3X follower to compare to the 3X Watcher

[Almost50]

VOTE: Iraonavp

So we go here, right?

Pretty much, YES!

But we need Lapsa to explain his crumb from yesterday before we end the day.

[Almost50]

so yeah 6 red 6 blue 1 SK and 29 town OR 6/6 and 30 town

Not sure about the 6/6/30 thing. It doesn't explain 4 deaths at any given night. I'm thus confident there IS an SK in the setup.

[Almost50]

I thought Red was already gone.

2 Blue in

Narna
Varsoon
iraonavp
Elyse
Lapsa
Almost50
Shaziro
Mathblade

Shaziro is as confirmed as Rach is by now. The Scum Follower has already flipped (and his opposing Watcher), so Shaz IS our own Follower.

Also Narna is confirmed NOT Blue Scum (because of their vote on irao yesterday when the majority were pushing on Gollum).

Irao -on the other hand- is confirmed Blue Scum. So, it's ONE Blue + one SK in:

Varsoon
Elyse
Lapsa
Mathblade

P.S. Yes, I've taken the liberty of taking my own name out of the suspects pool, just like you did. To someone else -say Rach- we both should still be there, although when irao flips I should also be cleared from being Blue (but not yet the SK)

[Almost50]

Actually if you are the last scum standing, you can preform your PR action and a killing action on the same night.

That depends on the mod. Some will allow it and some won't.

[Almost50]

Why is PerV not scum?

We don't know that. Only he does for now.

[Almost50]

What have the team PR flips been? It's possible to have, for instance, 6/5/1 if the 5 has a lot of power, yes?

Well, it's not the case. We still have a Nea + a JOAT flips for the RED who have yet to be "equaled" by the BLUE. I simply can't see a NORMAL single role that would be equivalent to BOTH these roles in power.

Otherwise we had a red 3x watcher vs blue 3x follower, a red 2x tracker vs a blue 2x voyeur, and both teams had a Roleblocker and a goon who all flipped already.

[Almost50]

The backup vig when we don't have one already sets a precedent for meaningless roles.

I don't see where this "we don't have a vig" argument. Comes from. If it's based on the already flipped roles, we don't have a PGO either, so where did the 4th kill come from? In my mind: 4 kills at one night = Red + Blue + SK + Vig. The fact that we didn't have our Vig flipping yet is AWESOME, as we do have some extra power in addition to our lynch. I will only accept there's no Vig (or no SK for that matter) when the game is over and we see everyone's role, AND know where the extra kills originated from.

[Almost50]

Varsoon seems like another SK kill

Varsoon is either Blue kill or the Town Vig shooting a JOAT (reminder: we are looking for a Blue JOAT)

Flashback :

In post#2726 Boem revealed Drixx, Comparing Realities, and Lapsa have all targeted Cookie Bakers on N2.

Drixx was a Town Doctor, CR was a Town JOAT (and I suspect they also doctored CB). What was Lapsa doing? Don't tell me you also doctored them.

P.S. CR was killed on N2. They were

Cop/Watcher/Doctor/Motion Detector/Neapolitan/Jailkeeper

. Cookie was obv.Town and I don't think they were being copped. They were outed as Gunsmith so MD or Nea don't make sense, and they were NOT JK'd (had a result on N2). They were either Watched or Doctored by CR.

[Almost50]

Thor I have a strong town read on

i think Math could be remaining red scum

Red Scum are fully eradicated! 6 flipped Red already. We are looking for a Blue JOAT + SK.

Varsoon was NOT the SK kill. Why would the SK be looking for the 6th Blue Scum yet? I mean, they could, but they could use an extra kill still. It looks more to me like the Blue Scum skipped their kill and the Town Vig is the one targeting JOATs and Lapsa is their next target.

The Follower (Shaziro) was also killed and I don't see why the SK would target the Follower if they were NINJA. I can't remember who said they were, but I think it was Thor, in which case that was an outright lie and SK in NOT Ninja. Still could be STRONGMAN though.

[Almost50]

This is how Iraon defends townies

I don't think it's scumslip, but Narna is otherwise suspicious.

This is how Iraon defends his scum buddy

What?

Why are you voting Mathblade over either of Thor665 or hebichan? Do you think they're town-aligned?

Keep in mind this is in response to the SK who had two posts with plenty of reasons to vote Math.

irao was BLUE though, wheile Thor was RED and Basic/hebi were TOWN.

VOTE: Narna

For clearly trying to mislead the Town through inaccurate claims. We are looking for a JOAT not a Doctor, and irao/Thor/Basic were of 3 different alignments.

[Almost50]

yap, math is remaining serial killer

VOTE: MathBlade

even OMGUS'ing Narna

Grow up. Narna IS the SK, and -unless you're the Blue JOAT remaining- you need to vote WITH Math.

[Almost50]

As Blue as your avatar Narna.

Wrong if I was SK I wouldn't have killed Shaziro who Narna would follow and I would have no reason to kill Varsoon who townread me.

Flail harder.

Narna be scums.

Tell me more about how SK's should pick their kills, plz. I have never been one, so I'm at a loss. I'm sure the SK didn't kill Varsoon, but I will let you explain why SK!Narna would've killed either of them is separate cases.

[Almost50]

just realized that Varsoon might as well be a vighit cause of scum!Thor JOAT flip.
unsure how sound that theory is - would mean no SK though

Spot on for the first part. Totally off on the second.

[Almost50]

This is how Iraon defends townies

I don't think it's scumslip, but Narna is otherwise suspicious.

This is how Iraon defends his scum buddy

What?

Why are you voting Mathblade over either of Thor665 or hebichan? Do you think they're town-aligned?

Keep in mind this is in response to the SK who had two posts with plenty of reasons to vote Math.

irao was BLUE though, wheile Thor was RED and Basic/hebi were TOWN.

VOTE: Narna

For clearly trying to mislead the Town through inaccurate claims. We are looking for a JOAT not a Doctor, and irao/Thor/Basic were of 3 different alignments.

Iraon is clearly defending Math in that second post. What is inaccurate there? If you really think we are looking for a joat, why aren't you going after the claimed joat like you did with Iraon's Neo after the red neo flip?

Oh! I misread that 2nd quote then.

Still, Math is not flipped, so you can't say this is how irao defended a scum buddy.

I'm going after the SK bc you are more dangerous now. No way Lapsa survives after you flip, and even if he doesn't get shot by the vig he is th clear designated lynch of tomorrow if things stay the way they are.

You on the other hand have been cruising, and -at one point- had me move you from a scumspect to semi-confirmed town. You're a very good manipulator.

[Almost50]

I am/was Neighbor with Gollum

Are you claiming VT/Neighbour with no other abilities?

[Almost50]

PeregrineV claimed neighbor with gollum
Narna
RachMarie Conf Town last mason standing
Elyse
Lapsa claimed JOAT
Almost50
Mathblade claimed Macho

so basically that means almost, Elyse, and Narna have no claims

And there is one JOAT that has claimed

and JOAT is very likely what we are looking for here


VOTE: Lapsa

I agree and would support that lynch. However, I want to take a shot on lynching the SK first bc they are more dangerous to us. They could be BP and they're most likely Strongman. Add that it's likely they played a perfect game they would not be linked to other scum and you have a problem. A serious problem. A night kill that cannot be blocked.

[Almost50]

oh right yeah though a lot were not neighbors from the list that Kling made up

You missed a lot of them. I was a neighbour with Drixx & Serra and I think it was included in KC's list too, but never once have you mentioned it even when you were specifically listing neighbourhoods.

[Almost50]

Oh hey I suck at this game

hard unfos

Math. I'm softing for here Math, get your vote off of me please.

I don't get it.

[Almost50]

Oh! I misread that 2nd quote then.

Still, Math is not flipped, so you can't say this is how irao defended a scum buddy.

I'm going after the SK bc you are more dangerous now. No way Lapsa survives after you flip, and even if he doesn't get shot by the vig he is th clear designated lynch of tomorrow if things stay the way they are.

You on the other hand have been cruising, and -at one point- had me move you from a scumspect to semi-confirmed town. You're a very good manipulator.

Math is my townbuddy, he defended blue scum by targeting another blue scum d2.

If you misread the quote, what's the reason I'm scummy now then?

PoE. You or Elyse for the SK. Lapsa for the Blue JOAT.

[Almost50]

@Narna:

I admit it IS a gamble on my part. Worst case scenario: we mislynch, and end up with tow other townies dead. That leaves 2T+SK+Blue for D11, and lynching either the SK or the Blue Scum would result in a scum win. HOWEVER, NL or even mislynching leaves a window open for a town win through cross killing.

Best case scenario though: We lynch the SK and we lose one townie at night, so we are 5 on D11 with Lapsa the designated lynch for the town to win.

Alternatively, I could support the Lapsa lynch and we lose another Townie for the SK NK, and we are 5 on D11 but we're not too sure whom to lynch to win. Rach is most likely the NK for N10 in this case, and whoever the remaining 5 will be they will all be pointing fingers at one another.

[Almost50]

there is a large consensus of you as the SK.

Well, I'm NOT. Go figure. I'm officially SK hunting, and for a good reason.

Also, let me ask a hypothetical question: If I was cleared of carrying a gun on N1, and have been lurking in the shadows for the opening 5 days or so, and -HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING- you had a Tracker/Follower ability, wouldn't you have been inclined to track/follow me to verify I had not night action just to be sure? You think the Town full Tracker, full Follower, Voyeur, Motion Detector & Jailkeeper, plus all the JOATs who all had shots of said action.. ALL missed me? NONE of them tried to check on me?? Would YOU not have done it?

[Almost50]

Yeah I haven't claimed anything this game. Skybird claimed the neighbor bit for me.

Well, I'm not going to ask you to fully claim. What I am going to ask though is for you to confirm or deny having any unclaimed info (whether it be by virtue of your own role or conveyed to you through the neighbourhood) that may help limit our options for the SK.

Put another way, can you clear at least one person (other than Rach, obviously)?

[Almost50]

umm we did say red was gone after Thor flipped it was in the day start post

was kind of surprised there was one red left actually which is why I did not think Thor was scum.

Anyways, you need to organize the fullclaim list.

I recommend starting with Lapsa, then,

Elyse
Almost50
Narna
PeregrineV
Mathblade

I'm game if both Rach & Math agree to this order. I would rather Narna after Lapsa and before either me or Elyse, but I guess I can settle for the proposed order too.

[Almost50]

Yeah I haven't claimed anything this game. Skybird claimed the neighbor bit for me.

Well, I'm not going to ask you to fully claim. What I am going to ask though is for you to confirm or deny having any unclaimed info (whether it be by virtue of your own role or conveyed to you through the neighbourhood) that may help limit our options for the SK.

Put another way, can you clear at least one person (other than Rach, obviously)?

Maybe?

That is not a conclusive answer. Do you or do you not have info? And if you do, what are you waiting for?? The less scumspects we have today the higher our chances of sealing the game in our favour.

[Almost50]

am i dead yet? trying to catch up

btw, i got vanilla cop ability left.
seems kinda useless but who knows

You need to claim your previous shots with results.

[Almost50]

@Math:

He's arguing that it's a normal "modifier" not a stand-alone role. the wiki page mentions nothing about it being a "role" of it's own, but -of course- "Macho VT" is a thing.

[Almost50]

follow PeregrineV - no actions

Which night was that, please?

[Almost50]

@Almost50 didn't do the math(blade) yet - can town afford mislynch?

As I explained my gamble to Narna, if we mislynch the game is practically out of our hands. We could still win, but ONLY if scum cross kill. So, NO would be a more appropriate answer.

[Almost50]

night 5 - perV performed no actions

Dang! Not good enough. We had only 2 kills on N5, so unless one was blocked "someone" skipped a kill on that night!

[Almost50]

night 5 - perV performed no actions

Dang! Not good enough. We had only 2 kills on N5, so unless one was blocked "someone" skipped a kill on that night!

err... not really following implications of that

I was hoping to get a clear on PV through your result.

[Almost50]

@Shiro:

Please confirm we will be allying with eachother on D3.

[Almost50]

@Shiro:

Please confirm we will be allying with eachother on D3.

Wrong game!!

[Almost50]

2-shot non consecutive vig

I shot BlackStar night 1 and Long Island medium N3

I'm inclined to fully believe that one!! how ironic (bc I DID assert you had a gun.. blindly, mind you)

[Almost50]

@Elyse:

Who's next? (Hint: Narna, please!)

[Almost50]

Deputy/Neighbor

Deputy?? Did you PM either mods about it? I mean, do you KNOW there to be a regular full Cop in the setup, or were you just waiting for an update from the PM??

I ask bc I had to confirm with Wake when Drixx died.

*Sigh* I started off as the NURSE. I assumed Doctor duties on D6 (Drixx was killed on N5). That's why I was a bit too salty on him for not sharing anything in the neighbourhood, bc I could've used some help deciding my targets. I kept yelling “I have YOUR BACK” in hopes he'd get the crumb to no avail.

Anyway, my targets were: (N6: Varsoon ; N7: Boem ; N8: Rach ; N9: Shaziro ; ). Shaziro still got shot, so THAT is why I KNOW the SK has to be a STRONGMAN. That's why I wanted them lynched today in hopes I'd make the right save at night.

[Almost50]

Over to you, PV.

[Almost50]

To elaborate: When Drixx got NK'd; I did NOT receive a PM at the start of D6 telling me I had become the Town Doctor. I then PM'd Wake asking him to confirm I'm now a full doctor, and wrote me back confirming I was. Did you PM Wake and/or smith about your role or did you "assume" you're still a deputy bc you did not receive a PM telling you otherwise?

[Almost50]

I also PM'd smith at the start of this day (or actually when I logged in afterwards) asking him to confirm the night action resolution was accurate. I want to be 100% about Shaziro's death. I have yet to hear back from smith.

[Almost50]

OK, smith reasserts the night action resolved accurately, so SK is a Strongman 100%

[Almost50]

Also, why I picked my targets:

D6: Boem explicitly asked to be protected. I intended to protect him, but Varsoon publicly responded that he will do it, so I decided to protect Varsoon instead.

N7: I figured Varsoon's Doctor shot was used, so I went straight to Boem.

N8: With no missing kills (or so I thought) I figured Boem may not be a prime target, but Rach must be. (I assumed no missing NKs bc it was the 3rd night in a row we had only 2 kills)

N9: I figured a follower would be more valuable than a Mason at that particular night. He had the potential or returning a guilty.

[Almost50]

I messaged him just now, I didn't inherit it.

Alrighty then. This should mean we do have a COP between PV & Math.

[Almost50]

WAIT! None of our JOATs had a vig shot! Elyse did NOT shoot on N2. WHERE did the 4th body come from??

A PGO Strongman SK?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Almost50]

No you're not. Deputy would return a positive result to the GS, so you would be the GS-Miller, and that's assuming neither PV nor Math claims Cop!

[Almost50]

Of course, it'd be quite ironic if either DID claim Cop, who doesn't have clears at -at least- 3 of us already.

Geez, I'm even more lost than I was BEFORE the massclaim process!!

[Almost50]

@Math:

So you think his deputy claim is fake??

[Almost50]

@Rach:

Basically we do NOT disagree there. What I want to know though is who the SK is out of the other 4. Is it Narna? Is it PV? Is it Elyse (unlikely IMHO) or is it Math (also unlikely, but less so than Elyse now)?

We have time, and we can work together, and whoever is town (obviously 3 of those are) can help us dig for clues to pick the odd one out. Obviously someone's lying, and we need to catch them in their lie before it's too late.

Let's keep a couple of things in mind:

1- You are dying tonight and I can't help you because the SK IS A STRONGMAN.
2- Math (if town) said they suck at LyLo, which is probably why they're still alive.

For every single townie alive there are only 2 confirmed town-aligned players: themselves and YOU. No matter how strong they feel about any given other player, the fact is they could be wrong. YOU (as the confirmed one) have a responsibility to try and leave us in the best situation you could.

Now, if I was the SK I would want Lapsa alive still, bc I do need the extra kill. However, what guarantee would I have that he won't be shooting me (whether it be knowingly or by the wrong guess)? Unless the Strongman SK is also BP, that is, which means LAPSA needs them lynched as well.

The two can work together for one more night at best, but eventually will have to face off, and it's a matter of "who draws first" .. kind of an old western gun duel.

So, in my mind: Whether Lapsa IS Blue Scum (90%) or not (10% at best) he still needs to lynch the SK today. On the other hand he may have given up already and is giving the game to the SK rather than the town, and therein lies my dilemma.

So, my suggestion is to identify the SK to the best we can (down to 2 possibilities) before we lynch Lapsa. That means the town will go into D11 with a 4-1 advantage and CAN afford a mislynch on D11 and still win on D12.

[Almost50]

2- Math (if town) said they suck at LyLo, which is probably why they're still alive.

got "great" record too. that's a bad argument

Bad argument for what exactly?

[Almost50]

@a50 why are you favoring SK lynch over blue lynch?

Because I'm a doctor and I may be able to save the Mafia kill target. I cannot stop the SK though bc they are Strongman as evident by the Shaziro kill whom I was protecting. I thought I explained that already in my post addressing Rach.

[Almost50]

why do you even assume yourself in place of SK?

In order to catch scum you've got to think like scum.

[Almost50]

WoW! Your low profile has been pretty useful for once

But are you a "strongman" vig?? I've never seen one before, but how do you explain Shaziro?

In fact:

VOTE: PV

THERE is your strongman, ladies and gentleman. Waiting for last to conveniently claim Vig, claim all his kills accurately, and refute the SK being in-play altogether.

No way there's an X-shot Vig with another full vig. NO WAY.

P-edit:

I was mainly addressing Rach and explaining why we need to find the SK sooner than later.

[Almost50]

@a50 why are you favoring SK lynch over blue lynch?

Because I'm a doctor and I may be able to save the Mafia kill target. I cannot stop the SK though bc they are Strongman as evident by the Shaziro kill whom I was protecting. I thought I explained that already in my post addressing Rach.

Most likely you were blocked. There is no SK, and I'm not a strongman.

Blocked by whom?? Check the claims again and keep in mind there's a max of fake claims. Now let's assume Lapsa is JOAT with a Roleblocker shot and he did block me. Where did the OTHER kills come from? In fact, forget Lapsa. Assume ANYONE is a Roleblocker or has a RB shot and used it on me. That would only mean ONE NK left, bc they could not have RB'd AND killed in the same night as per the rules.

So, NO. I was NOT RB'd bc there has been TWO NKs, which means Blue Scum opted to perform a KILL over taking any other action (if they still have unused shots).

[Almost50]

*there's a max of (TWO) fake claims, (if any.)

Also, no. YOU need to explain the Shaziro kill because YOU are the one suggesting no SK.

[Almost50]

Gee, doc, it seems like you have my kills and you have Elyse's kills and a brain.

Well, I did use my brain and it told me you are the SK. Elyse is a 2-shot Vig and ran out of shots after N3. The backup Vig was included in case Elyse got lynched/NK'd in the opening 3 days (or opted to skip a shot to wait for a clearer picture but got killed before she used it). I don't see the town having a regular killer each night PLUS a 2-shot vig PLUS a backup for the two.

[Almost50]

Like, if we had a full vig AND a backup vig, then Elyse's role becomes overly powered. She could've played exactly the same and survived as long but w/o using her shots. She would now have been able to collaborate with the "imaginary" town vig that's you and got BOTH scum shot tonight. That's too town-sided.