STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[Almost50]

A50, can you please tell me when posts 13/14 happened in your pt with SC.

-Cerb

Somehow I figured you'd be the only one who would care to even read through that post!!

Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:26 pm & Fri Sep 09, 2016 7:20 pm; respectively.

[Almost50]

Anyone interested in allying with me for the next day phase?

I probably would, but I think I promised someone else a D3 alliance (I don't even remember whom that was!! Gosh. My mind has been reset!!)

[Almost50]

i don't have time to read up the thread right now. still, i did check, and i don't think i saw a mention of this.

SirCakez's ability allowed him (and his team, later) to look for Jasper. i can't think of what this would indicate besides Jasper being the flavour of a traitor. (as she obviously is not a "Threat To Earth" if they would have to search for her) but the player with Jasper flavour could also in no way be aligned with earth.

if someone could think of a different thing Jasper could be, i am all ears. i brought this up because i hadn't seen it being spoken about, but there has been talk of a traitor between Klingoncelt and DGB.

That's an interesting take. Personally I took it to be quite the contrary. I assumed Jasper was a strong tool in town's hands that scum had to find and get rid of.

But yeah, your take is very much valid too.

[Almost50]

In other news would anyone like to squad up this climax. Looking for 1 atm. Possibly 2.

Wouldn't that be anti-town in essence, considering people need to have their abilities at their disposal to forego in order to earn points for the town?

[Almost50]

Jasper could be a powerful town role but that is unlikely based on even my dumb flavor knowledge.

Ok, so my assumption was valid but "dumb". Thanks for setting me straight.

[Almost50]

Jasper likely is a traitor,

She probably is, and I have someone on mind to fit the "wolf" part. Check

this

out

[Almost50]

No one should EVER use one of his games as a counterpoint to setup spec.

That wasn't a "counterpoint", but rather another "angle".

[Almost50]

exact times and dates seems... like something that should not be quoted from a

private

neighbourhood.

Why not? They are neither a player's own composition nor are they mod provided material.

[Almost50]

i assume you're not versed in the flavour?

I usualy am not, but I count on google when I feel I need to.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Cooldog

@Farside, I had twin wings in cool dog's slot. My bad.

Finally! Titus & Mastina agree on a lynch that I might be willing to take!

VOTE: CooLDoG

Maybe I'm just too demanding? (Maybe I'm just like my father: too bold?)

[Almost50]

If you think it's a scumslot, wait for them to replace in, then wagon them up and get THAT reaction.

Like why do it the other way around?

Actually, it's not that cool to lynch someone who just replaced in. They put much effort in trying to catch up and then you get them lynched???

If it's a scum slot it's best lynched today if you care about PEOPLE and their feelings.

[Almost50]

Because that'd imply that FIRST, my event lowered stress by two...AND THEN, some event raised stress by two...where Almost50's power then triggered...with a THIRD event lowering it down by two again.

It's when you SUBMIT your action trigger request, not when it resolves. I submitted mine when the stress was @ +1, so I did meet the requirements at the time. Anything beyond that point is irrelevant. (i.e. if stress changed after that, my event has already been submitted).

[Almost50]

Well misleading.

Ask Mr-V then. It's how it went.

P-edit:

An event cannot be submitted in advance either using my logic. If the stress doesn't allow it NOW you can't submit it.

Now let's not forget the Prequel was neither Exposition (obviously) nor was it Climax. It was a dynamic phase. Maybe I'm wrong in my assumption, but I'm basing it on the fact I did submit my own event @ +1 stress and it did get triggered.

[Almost50]

Can I answer Mastina?

If you do have an answer, why don't you spell it out?

P-edit: @NC:

That's what I'm saying. But if the stress IS at the required level by the end of Exposition, you can submit it, and I think it will resolve if not suppressed by another event of higher priority (erm.. numerically lower priority, that is)

[Almost50]

OWK, Almost50, you, Yume, grapes, Killthestory, McMenno, and Creature, I'm willing to bet the game on being town.

Being an ex-tipster (sports) I might be tempted to take you on your wager here. They might be UP TO THREE scum in your top tier there. I'd say 1-3, an namely (in order of read strength): Creature, farside & McMenno.

Hell I don't even know why I'm still town reading KTS after he had already retracted his IC claim.

[Almost50]

I am at you, me, Yume, grapes, kTS, McMenno as bet the game town
Random Shiro ss lean town
Rr null but bad lynch
Nc, creature DGB lean scum, first two might be townbeards
Klingon x CoolDog Farside as scum, but Farside may be beard

That's 17 players out of 23 still in-play!!! Please repost.

[Almost50]

I think I'll try to be more eccentric foe a while!

@Fuzzy:

Hypothetical assumption: This is LyLo. We're down to the last 3 standing; You + Obi + myself (as a confirmed townie). Please make a compelling case against Obi to convince me to vote them over you for the town to win. GO!

[Almost50]

*for, although "foe" might work too!!

[Almost50]

Also who wants to ally with a hapless townie who has nothing left (not even pride) to offer?

[Almost50]

@Obi:

That's NOT the point. I want a CASE on you, not a "gut tells me something is wrong" kind of reason to vote.

[Almost50]

Maybe THAT will make 'em read the bloody thread.

P-edit:

Generally speaking, they look better than Mastina's. I'm not sure where both of you got the McMenno "willing to bet on town" thing, but I guess maybe you both played with him before and have some meta!!

Not sure about the rest of players (other than those you're willing to bet on, that is), so that'll have to wait. Like, Xf is still on V/LA but has promised some valuable input by Monday. I don't see why Twin (basically Foxbird) is scum on your reads when Skybird is vouching for them.. alright.. the majority of those you're not willing to bet on I'm not willing to give a strong read on either. I'm just town reading Sky, Fox & RR more than the rest. But I do agree basically on the top tier with said exception on McMenno.

[Almost50]

But when it comes to "betting the game on it" I'm only willing to bet on myself, Mastina, Yume and Obi for town. That's my "townblock" as Frozen likes to call it.

[Almost50]

Why are you townreading RR?
I generally don't trust things I cannot see, which is why early on I told Mastina I understood RR reads but disagreed. I don't expect anyone to vouch based on play if they are not posting in here and be persuasive. Town =\= correct, as Mastina and I can attest.

I already explained my take on RR. Their event requirements, the ISO Cerb did on SC, their overall tone, them choosing to ally with you of all.. each of these isn't enough by itself, but combined they give me a town read. Oh, and Drixx' concern about the hidden points system too.

Besides, we have nothing to lose if we wait for their event to get triggered anyway.

P.S. I recall someone said scum were given Townie events (but not who said it), which is NOT THE CASE. Scum were given TOWNIE FAKE CLAIMS, not "events".

[Almost50]

Sorry Almost..I am not going to deal with hypothetical events, A lot can happen between now and lylo,
I do not know if I will stick with Obi or not...its still very early in the game. Right now my gut is telling me there something not quite right with Obi and SC interactions. I am prob wrong but for now am going to stick with my gut, You should vote for the one you think is scum. If you think I am scum than vote for me.....just have a reason why,

SCUMMY response. You present NO CASE, yet are adamant to vote where your "gut" tells you to. You also tell me to vote you if I think you're scum, but "just have a reason why". If I do vote you, my reason would be "gut"!!!!

[Almost50]

.. which is apparently enough in your world.

[Almost50]

Almost
why do you think Obi and Yumi are town. what about them makes you town read them so strongly???Also isn't day 2 way to early to have a town block??

Yume has been confirmed by Mastina through game mechanics. Obi is obv!Town for many reasons, not the least of which is their push on SC through all the resistance they faced which I was a big part of (the resistance, not the push).

[Almost50]

Hey, Shiro.. I will ally with you next.

[Almost50]

Peridot's character is largely influenced by Invader Zim.

I'm waiting for someone (Shiro?) to bring that up and elaborate. I think IZ is a different series altogether.

[Almost50]

So, tell me more about Peridot. I get -from the wiki- that it was good then it got corrupted then ..??? I'm not too familiar with the show itself, so I'm counting on those who would call themselves fans to give more details.

For the mean time, I'd be more concerned about figuring out DGB. If she IS a traitor then we need to eliminate her. If that was a trol/gambit then we need to know who else might be a good lynch.

Like, everybody's proposing names and stuff, but not one GOOD case has been made. I'm not fully sold on the CD lynch, but it's as good as it gets. I'm slightly scum reading him, and both Titus and Mastina agree he should be a good lynch, but I would be open for a better lynch option IF backed up with some clear cut evidence.

[Almost50]

@Shiro:

Please confirm we will be allying with eachother on D3.

[Almost50]

Peridot @Peridot5xg tweeted: Sale: Pizza slice for a buck! Coolest offer you could ever get in Beach City.

[Almost50]

It makes more sense in context.

What context?

[Almost50]

@Yume:

OIC. That would Steven talking to Peridot. Yes? (in the picture)

But do you think Peridot is trying to tell us something or is she just playing? THAT is what we need to figure out.

[Almost50]

Peridot is likely crumbing they gave me pizza.

I'm not sure I understand, and even less sure I want to know! I think I should be treated on a "need to know basis" for now!!!

[Almost50]

I am pretty sure peridot is trolling.

Vote:CoolDog

OK. You're the expert (you, NC & Yume .. I guess)

[Almost50]

I collect indicators and

asses

I sure hope you mean donkeys

[Almost50]

A50 asked the same and didn't get a response.
Good luck with that.

I thought it through though and I think I came to the answer of this. Not sure, but I think I got it.

Just to be fair.

[Almost50]

Is everybody waiting for something to happen that I might've missed? Because all I see is back and forth dialogues that lead to nowhere, and it seems like we're going in closed loops. This is evidently clear by the semi-stagnant consecutive VCs.

OK, I have a little confession to make: I had TEMPORARY control over the Peridot Twitter thing for precisely this one tweet, and I was laughing over the fact it did get posted exactly the way I phrased it.

Peridot @Peridot5xg tweeted: Sale: Pizza slice for a buck! Coolest offer you could ever get in Beach City.

I even asked if Peridot was trolling to see if anyone ever bothers to read those. Shiro dismissed it as a troll, and Yume found the context for it with a dialogue between Peridot & Steven (which I am neither).

OK.. as you where.. continue your mind games (or whatever you guys are doing).

[Almost50]

@NC:

1: Few is generally 2-3 and Several generally means 4 or more.

I know this is different from what google say (google: few = more than 2 but not many; several = a small number (usually 3-5)*)

*This one was found on Yahoo!Answers

@Titus:

You may add Almost/Shiro vouching for eachother (well, technically we're NOT confirmed to eachother, but due to some "enlightened guessing" I think we are semi-confirmed to eachother by now.)

[Almost50]

This will need some "undesirable" explanation in public. I'll tell you what. Me and Shiro should be allying with eachother tomorrow, and I will tell you if we are 100% confirming eachother by then. For the explanation, that would need me to ally with you yourself.

[Almost50]

This will need some "undesirable" explanation in public. I'll tell you what. Me and Shiro should be allying with eachother tomorrow, and I will tell you if we are 100% confirming eachother by then. For the explanation, that would need me to ally with you yourself.

Nah, I'm with Yume ATM.

I was mentioning 100% confirms.

Oh, I meant AFTER Yume. On the 4th day. I want to ally with you on Climax.

[Almost50]

Sounds good. Yume is a good option for me bc she knows the flavour (which is my biggest point of weakness).

[Almost50]

I'm with Xf today. Shiro is next.

[Almost50]

And it probably isn't a good idea for scum to kill me, as they would be practically wasting a kill, but who knows? Maybe I'm bluffing??

[Almost50]

@far:

You're starting to fall behind too far!! You were much more perceptive on D1 (or so I thought). I appreciate the SC flip was a stinger, and it probably got your reads all messed up, but come on.. you CAN get back on track.

First, KC claimed miller well into the PREQUEL phase (she CC'd Mastina in the following quote):

I'm not sure about Mastin's Miller-like claim though. The way my Role PM's worded, I'm pretty sure that

I'm

the Miller.

Second; Titus is as confirmed Town (to me) as I am to myself!

Third; I'm as confident Shiro is town as I am both Mastina and Yume.

Now you gave me something ( a minor detail that I thought even you were not aware of) on D1 that made me put you as high as confirmed. Today you're making me wonder if your still playing under the influence (of the SC flip, that is) or if you actually slipped that minor detail in there deliberately and skillfully enough to make it look like it was genuine and accidental!!

Please reset all your reads and work them out from scratch like I did and maybe you will see something (or two) that you might have missed

[Almost50]

@Almost, How am I confirmed town?

Jesus Navas, Titus! Didn't you get a pizza from peridot?? That's cool. I know it sounds buck weak a reason, but that's as far as I'm going to say in the open.

[Almost50]

What makes no sense for town?

Let me try once more:

Creature scum reads Shiro (1)
Creature sheeps Shiro into voting Almost (2)
Creature sheeps farside into voting Shiro (whom he was sheeping into voting almost after having had Shiro in his scum reads). (3)
Creature calls Shiro's case on Almost weak. That same case he himself had sheeped despite his initial scum read on Shiro. (4)

The above don't make much sense. Weak case = you don't follow, and especially so if the case is being made by a scum read of yours both BEFORE and AFTER. If you do follow the case; you don't come around and call it weak and make THAT your reason to vote the person you sheeped on said case.

[Almost50]

Mathblade replaces into the Loopdan/CooLDoG slot.

Happy times. This game has just got more interesting. Welcome to the party, Math.

[Almost50]

She already 100% confirmed Peridot.

Who confirmed Peridot??

[Almost50]

You claimed to be Peridot ONE time. Who was Peridot the other times?

I claimed to "have had access to the blog/twitter account", not that I was Peridot.

And how would I know who else might've been given access? If you hadn't realized it; people give people stuff in this game, and you don't necessarily know who gave you this particular thing.

[Almost50]

You and Shiro should each ally with someone else, some players that can confirm each of you separately.

I think I'd rather ally with someone I know to be town. Thank you very much. It's bad enough I already lost my one and only cool event, and for me to stay in-play I would need to discuss my moon-logic with someone I can trust.

[Almost50]

Because I'm positive you'd vouch for each other given half a chance.

Why do you think that's bad, and especially considering I now also got Titus vouching for me (and I for her)?

[Almost50]

Peridot isn't one of the "good" Gems.

Peridot is corrupted.

I'll be honest: I'm not sure if Peridot is good, bad or neutral. I'm not even sure if it's a separate role/spot.

[Almost50]

.....

Cause it doesn't like, one thought contradicts the other.

1 says: This person has a point let!s vote with them
Then says: This person is right that person a doesn't have a point so let's vote (Eveb though I believed they had a point)

You're either missing the part where people can change their minds.
Or don't want to consider it.

That's not changing one's mind. This is flip flopping.

You can change your mind and see something you didn't take notice of before, sure. But you don't call your previous view weak and you don't vote those who shared it merely because they did share it with you.

I mean, the case on me was weak sauce, granted. But if Creature is suspecting Shiro based on that; he might as well be voting himself for following it.

[Almost50]

Peridot joined the crystal gems and since doc ruby was a flavour this game takes part in that part in the late part of the timeline. Peridot is w crystal gem.

Although I'm leaning that way, I'd just want to say we don't KNOW that. Not yet, anyway. According to the wiki Peridot was a Homeworld Gem that defied their leader and later on joined the Crystal Gems. That would suggest she might be a Crystal Gem, yes.. but she might not. You do know how Varsoon messes with his roles, so be careful what you assume.

[Almost50]

@Klingoncelt

Peridot joined the crystal gems and since doc ruby was a flavour this game takes part in that part in the late part of the timeline. Peridot is w crystal gem.
Corrupt is actually something she has never been. She was a homeworld gem not a corrupt one. Corrupt ones are monsters.

A50 is claiming Crystal Gem?

Can you PLEASE stop ROLE FISHING and try to SCUM HUNT? I claimed nothing of the sort.

[Almost50]

Shiro, Almost50

- are you guys claiming Crystal Gems?

I'm not. Are you?

[Almost50]

Spoiler: @Yume

Take your baby by the wrist
And in her mouth an amethyst
And in her eyes two sapphires blue
And you need her and she needs you

We were so in phase
In our dance hall days
We were cool on craze
When I, you and everyone we knew
Could believe, do, and share in what was true

I said:
Dance hall days love

[Almost50]

Finally, does anyone have any opinions about my event utilization besides titus?

I think you should activate it regardless. If it confirms you, that's a big plus on it's own. If it also yields other results then that is probably our bonus.

I thing forgoing events/actions should be based on how important they are (i.e. what the town gets from them). A Cop investigation isn't as vital as saving "several lives". A Doctor protecting a single person isn't worth the lives of several others. But an event that could make you, Mastina and Titus work together sure is worth it. Even if one of you end up dead the other two working together confidently is GOOD for the town.

[Almost50]

No, it's the other way around. She is the one who is confirmed, not me.

I think what Titus is saying that YOU are confirmed to HER (mechanically), and then you confirmed Mastina to her (i.e. Mastina is confirmed through you, bc Titus only know YOU are town).

[Almost50]

Plus I rolecop ally bonuses so people's can't lie to me about it.

What does this even mean??

OK, what bonuses do I, farside & Firebringer give/get? You were our ally in Joy Ride, so you should have results. No?

[Almost50]

Why did Shiro care about Peridot?

And why do you??

[Almost50]

Because I'm certain that Peridot is Scum-controlled.

Good for you. You can be "certain" of whatever floats into your mind, but I'm not entitled to my own line of thinking. I sure as hell must've missed it when you claimed Oracle!!!

[Almost50]

Shiro, Almost50

- are you guys claiming Crystal Gems?

I'm not. Are you?

Yeah, I'm a Crystal Gem Miller.

Are you claiming Peridot??? If so, WHAT were you trying to do with all this nonsense from before?

[Almost50]

1) Fuzzy / Grapes
2) Titus/ Yuma
3) creature/ Snarky

if I am wrong let me know so can correct it

Almost/ Shiro

[Almost50]

I will shortly say (or maybe I had already said?) why I think it's very unlikely that they're both scum. I short, I find it implausible that the scum team would have two ascetics , and even more unlikely that neither of those ascetics would actually claim.

Has anybody considered either NOT being ascetic and just faking it to avoid being targeted by night investigative action?

[Almost50]

Also the rolling eyes from kling post is obvious sarcasm.

far, honey.. don't you think you've gone too far trying to correct KC's bad play?? Frankly, I'd be bussing her like real hard by now if I was her scum p.

Updated readlist (Mastina style):

7. Almost50
1. Titus
8. Shiro
15. mastin2
11. Yume
6. Skybird
13. Reasonably Rational
4. Twin Wings
14. grapes
19. McMenno
22. SnarkySnowman
16. Not Chara
17. kraskaesque (kraska77 + lycanfire)
12. Mathblade
25. TheWayItEnds
24. randomidget
21. TheFuzzylogic99
9. DrippingGoofball
23. Creature
5. Xkyfu
18. killthestory
10. Farside22
2. Klingoncelt


And I "think" I no longer want to lynch Math today, but I'm kind of going to still sheep Mastina/Titus lest the situation is similar to the SC case.

@Mastina/Titus:

I'm giving you my reads, but I don't have the confidence (nor do I think I have the credibility) to make the pushes. Please do consider my reads seriously though. You too RR. Please give them your utmost consideration.

[Almost50]

Shiro w/ the no cred thing is literally having no opinion when we flip town no blowback.

Oh, you weren't here yesterday, so you wouldn't know where we're coming from.

I -for one- hard defended SC. I was also at eachother's throats with Shiro. SC flipped scum and Shiro I discovered was town, and I neither have the self-confidence (due to BOTH) nor do I have credibility amongst the Town ranks (bc of the SC hard defense). Shiro has something of the same. He/She (please make up your minds as to whether Shiro is a he/she/they/it !!!), tunnelled me all D1 long, and then found they were missing "something" that when they did realize it almost confirmed me to them.

[Almost50]

The Shiro push on Klingon is not lame.Klingoncelt was busted for a similar thing in Suikoden. I don't think Klingon failed here though just Shiro wants to believe she caught scum.

I would STRONGLY support a KC lynch today, and I do sincerely see Shiro's point. KC did scum slip, but I'm not Shiro explained it well. I'll sit on this for a few hours to decide what the best move next would be, but I'm fairly confident KC is scum and HAS scum slipped too (but not bc she didn't mention "Earth aligned" in her claim).

[Almost50]

No offense A50 but the last time I listened to you was day 1 and that was in regards to cakez.
So kindly bite me.

I'll accept this at face value and respond with the same logic: The last time you did NOT listen to Titus she was right and you were wrong and it was in regards to Cakez!!

[Almost50]

@almost what prompted your reads change on me

Did I?? I thought you were pretty much static in my read list.

{

mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Yume, Farside22,

} << As good as mod-confirmed Town
{

killthestory, Firebringer, grapes,

} << Strong Town
{

Foxbird, Skybird,

} << Town
{

Sir Cakez, Xkyfu, CooLDoG, Reasonably Rational, McMenno,

} << Town Lean
{

SnarkySnowman,

} << Null-Town
{

Klingoncelt, Shiro, DrippingGoofball, randomidget, TheWayItEnds,

} << Null
{

Seraphim, Creature,

} << Null-Scum
{

Not Chara, kraskaesque,

} << Scum Lean
{

Nobody

} << Scum
{

Nobody

} << Strong Scum

4-A50: Agreed. You know full read lists isn't my style, but here goes:

{mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi}
{Sir Cakez, Foxbird, Skybird, Farside22, Firebringer}
{CooLDoG, Reasonably Rational, killthestory (jumps to top if confirmed IC), McMenno, SnarkySnowman}
{Everybody else} << Null
{Yume, Not Chara, kraskaesque}
{Nobody} << Stong Scum

I also recall voting you at your own request. I recall calling you "not above suspicion" .. and putting you last (i.e. weakest read) addressing Mastina regarding her "willing to bet game on said list".

You've always been a weak Town lean to me. I simply can't read you, but if you think I flipped my read on you at any point please bring it up with a quote.

[Almost50]

Just to clarify.

Farside claimed having a day ending dayvig at the slightest provacation.

And we're lynching instead of forcing her to use it?

Because we want to do this again tomorrow?

farside has -of late- clearly indicated her dayvig only works on players with half the votes needed for a lynch. The only one that meets the condition as we speak is Math. farside though is adamant to get enough votes on Shiro and gun them down. What's your point?

[Almost50]

aren't they at L-1

Nah, DGB put them at L minus 1 unless the mod doesn't count the vote.

DGB voted CooLDoG though, so I don't know if that would count.

[Almost50]

i don't think Shiro's push there in particular was scummy. it also is really not a slip, unless there is another post where Klingon forgets ghat isn't this one.

Here's the other issue, Titus was the player saying that was why Shiro was scum reading kling.
She doesn't allow Shiro to speak for herself and defends her with excuse after excusr.
This includes the meta references I gave that she still bypasses repeatedly.

This is a case of the kettle calling the pot black. YOU never let KC respond directly to Shiro's case. You literally intercepted the push, took over and bounced it back at Shiro.

Like, if I accept your interpretation (that it was a joke/sarcastic response) then -by contrast- KC must be claiming NOT being a Crystal Gem at all. Fine, I'll accept that (for now). Now what's with her obsession with Peridot?

[Almost50]

t wasn't a joke post. She used Crystal gem in place of town, which is false and would only be correct if you didn't know the town alignment(by not being town or reading the sample pm) and just knew that this was the town faction in the previous game.

Yeah, Shiro.. let us both take a step back here and try to see it from another angle (keeping in mind KC clearly doesn't know the flavour AT ALL). If that was sarcasm, and -in KC's mind the Crystal Gems = Homeworld gems (i.e. she thinks all Gems are scum) this would actually make sense. Like she was saying "yes, I'm a scum miller". This is -of course- faulty logic bc we all know CRYSTAL Gems are NOT scum, but HOMEWORLD Gems are. yeah, that would be an acceptable interpretation to me.

[Almost50]

Firebringer has been returned to the game.
The current amount of living players is now 24, requiring 13 to lynch.

Just as I had expected. HE WAS NOT DEAD!!

Welcome back, brother. Please tell us about your experience inside the bubble.

[Almost50]

Peridot is the only Gem character being used as a dummy player in this game. Internet usage is merely flavor. Dummy characters are likely Scum.

Ok, let me be blunt: Why do you think Peridot is a dummy player as opposed to a real player slot? THAT is what I want to know.

[Almost50]

I think day 4 allows for larger alignments.

Many a player are either hinting or explicitly advocating this, but I have nothing in my role PM to indicate such for me. It probably is a D4 ability for some though.

[Almost50]

Because Creature actively pushed Cakez and their other pushes make it obvious.

Creature... pushed Cakez?????

[Almost50]

@Titus no they are saying RR is town for somehow knowing I wasn't dead. Meaning linked to my imprisonment which should mean scum more than town. It's literal moon logic

The funny thing is I also suggested you were bubbled by Garnet based on how Varsoon explained the action, but it earned me a scum read from Math instead!

[Almost50]

Getting Cakez to talk is a good thing as it made A50 and Shiro clear as day.

My dear, your days are sun-less!! That or you're wearing double sunshades in a cloudy weather. Here, let me take you hand lest you trip on that stone.

[Almost50]

They refused to identify themselves they pretend they are town and then
Ask me dumb questions like if I am town.

Why would scum ask if you're town? And why didn't they end up killing you and dumping your corpse in the swamp?

[Almost50]

Guys random though about the cluster. Do you think allying counts as taking an action for the purpose of it?

[Almost50]

Guys random though about the cluster. Do you think allying counts as taking an action for the purpose of it?

No. Look at the wording again.

Let me take a bite (I know it's just THOUGHTS w/o actual evidence, but what's wrong with sharing them anyway?).

I think the FB bubbling was done by a TOWN-aligned Gem (i.e. a Crystal Gem) and I even think I know whom it was, but that's also beside the point.

I think the reason was FB was going to give a vig shot to someone they scum read and/or the target of the gift openly announced their target whom the "bubbler" was town reading. (Ex: Shiro said they'd shoot me, farside would vig Titus I think.. etc). The Gem also either wasn't too sure of FB's alignment or wasn't town read by him (thus could not actually "dictate" his action to him).

So, what was the best course of action? Isolate him. Prevent him from gifting out something potentially harmful to town, even if it was at the cost of either killing or vanilaizing him. Something lead them to believe he was town (could be a reread or a night action) so they opted not to kill him.

And before "the usual suspects" jump on me twisting my words into an alleged claim, I DID NOT DO IT!

Who did?? I'll only give you a head start: It wasn't FB (he didn't do it to himself), and it wasn't me (I can't do that). It also wasn't SC (he did flip and we saw his abilities). That only leaves you with a 22-players list to take a guess. Not that hard, is it??

The question though is: Can ALL Gems do that, or just some of them? I'm not familiar with the flavour theme, but I think I can safely deduce Garnet can do that (from Varsoon's flavour stories). I also think SU himself can (I don't recall where I read that, but I'm sure I did somewhere). What about Amethyst? Pearl? Peridot? Can any of them do this bubbling thing?

[Almost50]

Titus, is your sibling really this good of an actor as scum?

Check their play in

this

game.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Kraskaesque

Mate, I'll let you into a secret of mine: Whenever a wagon (or two) is/are big enough to be considered serious, and there are a couple of other options being voted already, and someone starts a NEW wagon I auto-scum read them.

I'm not saying I explicitly scum read you now, but my read on you may drop a step or tow bc of this one vote alone.

[Almost50]

....

Titus is clearly scum or just plain confbiased.

She says I am a townbeard.

One post from me after that saying conf town is not conf right (and I don't think Mastina is conf town)

Then asks Mastina if still doing this (whatever this is)

Then after Mastina dodging and ignoring my questions spouts incorrect bullshit Titus votes me.

Math, please. IF you're town, you need to find a different target to tunnel than Titus. I have already seen you doing this same thing TWICE before (as both alignments) and in both cases Titus was TOWN. Moreover, we all know Titus doesn't bus, and much more so when there's no need to. I only saw her bussing ONCE before, and it was a strategic act of distancing when Titus AND one of her scum partners were widely scum read, so they started a counter wagon on a third scumster. They both flipped, but that 3rd one (Ranger) drove the game all the way home.

Morale of the story:

1- Titus is TOWN in this game.
2- You're not convincing anyone.
3- You're doing much harm to town.

3 is OK if you're scum yourself. In fact, I'd be thanking you for making it abundantly clear you are. However, if you're town, you're playing against your win con, which -unfortunately- would coincide with mine in this case. I'm not amused.

[Almost50]

So, someone who knows how to read SC with any precision tell me: Am I now blessed or have I just dug mine and the town's graves??

OK, so Mastina AND Titus are pushing Not Chara. I guess this is the best sheep I could ever commit to in this game!

VOTE: Not Chara

Of course this could be called opportunistic, and could also be labelled OMGUS, so would be perfect to comply with beeboy's request to "do more things". Switch off the main lights please and put me on the focus of the spotlights for a while!

This is a joke where A50 calls himself not town. He also sarcastically preemptive ly deflects scummy arguments.

Ok. Now I KNOW you're scum and can sleep with an easy conscience.

P.S. Read again, and tell me where did I call myself (NOT) town?

[Almost50]

Oh, and in case it isn't clear: NC already voiced their suspicion of me, so OMGUS readily exist on my part. As for opportunism, I have never voiced my suspicion of them either, so my jump on their wagon is unwarranted it seems.

Come one, people.. put some pressure on me.

Especially after calling creature "perfect null" and then putting him not in the nullpile. (see 934)

I disagree with like... 90% of that. grapes / farside are like nullscum at least. Creature is a lot more town, xkyfu is pretty town, Obi is pretty town.

VOTE: SirCakez

You have some weird reads yourself. I mean, just bc you're likely town doesn't mean I'm going to agree with those reads.

Would you kindly explain why Xk is "pretty town" (I have him at Null), and why farside is nullscum (I have her as strong town). The only read we can agree on is Obi being pretty town.

Deflection off of SirCakez while not disagreeing with the points is terribad.

Claims for pressure is also terribad which means he wants to be lynched instead of SirCakez. Probably a lesser power role than SirCakez.

Also the no credibility thing so not going to do shit is terribad from both.

And here you're mixing stuff from early D1 with the bolded (which was on D2, after the SC flip). I'd shoot you myself if I had a vig shot. Right here and right now.

[Almost50]

@chara
when town, he's more present in the game, flipflops a lot, weakly defends his TRs, gets frustrated when pressed and shows more progression of reads...and this is what im seeing so far in this game

And notice how scum defend the obv scums when no need to yet. You sir be scum de scum scum scums.

Wait! kraska is scum? And Creature is scum? And Shiro is scum?? And Titus is scum? And I'm scum???? Like, you either got the whole scum team nailed or you think scum compose up to 50% of the player list.

Tell me something: Is Varsoon scum or town??

[Almost50]

Titus tunnels me almost every game we are in. She believes she has caught me every time except when she is scum. She is terribad at reading me.

1- No, she doesn't. YOU do.
2- This is an explicit acknowledgement that Titus is TOWN.

[Almost50]

No. Because Peridot is a dummy player. So is Keep Beach City Weird.

Geez! The list shows PLAYERS not FLAVOUR CHARACTERS. Get a grip.

In fact, this proof that Peridot does exist as a player role. Patches WAS listed as a separate slot in Bloodborne. Peridot isn't. Thus Peridot is someone in the game, not "controlled" by someone in the game.

[Almost50]

So town vanilized me because they thought I was scum giving a gun to other scum? Like what? How the fuck does that make sense.

You were targeted by someone who thought you were town. I will say no more about other aspects.

Why don't you just go ahead and tell him whom it was??

I "think" I know whom it was. Titus thinks she knows them too. You sound like you know them too (and I suspect I even know how you know, but that's building an assumption on another assumption, and I don't like to do that in public). I also have reservations on my own theories bc of (one particular reason).

Other than that, I do have another completely independent theory that is also negated by some other game discussions that I can't -for the life of me- fit into that theory.

I had considered allying with RR myself (someone who understands the mechanics better, so should very much be able to help on both cases), but you don't trust them. You don't trust Shiro either though, so ...

The thing is I don't have anything to forego anyway, so allying with RR tonight seems plausible from that particular point of view.

[Almost50]

Math
I am not sure if you are town..but I have reasons to believe you might be
So you are claiming ascetic

This means we have three ascetic..there something wrong with this picture

I'm only aware of DGB & Mathblade claims. Who was the 3rd one?

[Almost50]

....

Titus is clearly scum or just plain confbiased.

She says I am a townbeard.

One post from me after that saying conf town is not conf right (and I don't think Mastina is conf town)

Then asks Mastina if still doing this (whatever this is)

Then after Mastina dodging and ignoring my questions spouts incorrect bullshit Titus votes me.

Math, please. IF you're town, you need to find a different target to tunnel than Titus.

I have already seen you doing this same thing TWICE before (as both alignments) and in both cases Titus was TOWN.

Moreover, we all know Titus doesn't bus, and much more so when there's no need to. I only saw her bussing ONCE before, and it was a strategic act of distancing when Titus AND one of her scum partners were widely scum read, so they started a counter wagon on a third scumster. They both flipped, but that 3rd one (Ranger) drove the game all the way home.

Morale of the story:

1- Titus is TOWN in this game.
2- You're not convincing anyone.
3- You're doing much harm to town.

3 is OK if you're scum yourself. In fact, I'd be thanking you for making it abundantly clear you are. However, if you're town, you're playing against your win con, which -unfortunately- would coincide with mine in this case. I'm not amused.

You are scum so excuse me if I take what you say with the largest grain of salt in existence.

Thoughts on DGB and Shiro go

Take it with a grain of salt?? Which part of the bolded and enlarged are you challenging??

[Almost50]

If math is scum, why am I not voted by more people (namely scum buddies) in order to save her.

Don't you think that would be a bit too obvious?

[Almost50]

I am good for an alliance fuzzy. VLA til Monday.

Scum meta for the Shiro: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p8099886

Keep in mind Peregine V was his ally.

He had the same "didn't get it post" with Almost50.

This game
He also went from 3998 where CoolDog was a policy lynch to voting it when CoolDog was still and always was a policy lynch.

He also dropped his Almost50 "push" (I put this in air quotes because explanation in a sec)

Frequency of posts does not mean a genuine push. What means a genuine push is if you stick with it and back it up with them votes yo.

Speaking of which

VOTE: DGB
VOTE: Shiro
VOTE: DGB

I needs more votes.

DGB is easy to read like butter when town especially in DGB when I was scum in Gistou. I never tried to push DGB for that because even in multiball it was clear he was a neighborizer who should have hit Titus and then Titus would fill DGB up with insanity and it would have been fine. This is DGB and Shiro scum metas.

farside if you are so certain shoot me.


@Almost

I was an idiot, I did a 180, you are town

...This here. Unprovoked flippage. Town Shiro doesn't do this.

VOTE: Shiro

Meh so many scumssssssssss.....

Statistically speaking; there's no such thing as over 100% probability. However, the above-quoted 3 CONSECUTIVE post make me dare say Math is 200% scum.

[Almost50]

A50/Xkfyu: Did you end up allying? How has that worked out for your reads on one another?

We did and I'm undecided on him still.

[Almost50]

Almost, allying with someone you don't trust on the mechanics is helpful. Let them talk about their expertise, you might gain information that helps you sort them and understand what is going on better.

Mastina should stay quiet on who the bubbler is.

Not sure what you're saying here. I do trust both Shiro and RR, but Mastina doesn't.

And I do want to ally with someone I can tryst, bc .. you know.. somewhere within my moonlogic there are chunks of really good stuff to be found if you're good at analysis. I also want my ally to point me out to where I went wrong with good reason to set me on the right course.

Suffice it to say I will have loads to tell my ally, but it's likely that 75% of it is BS, and it's up to them to separate the gold from the filth. I also HAVE NOTHING TO FOREGO, which was my main point.

[Almost50]

Hey A50, wanna ally with me?

I'm already with Shiro. Sorry.

[Almost50]

I believe Varsoon needs a page top.

I believe I want a VC.

-Cerb

I believe I can fly.

I believe I can touch the sky.

[Almost50]

Hey Titus, what would you say if I told you that it's super likely that mastin is incredibly wrong about the lack of third parties in the game?

Like.

Super wrong.

Like.

I can point to one thing in this game that's public knowledge that is nearly proof that third parties must exist in this game.

-Cerb

You are peaking my curiosity there. I REALLY want to ally with YOU in particular. You're about the only one I will do tonight over Shiro.

[Almost50]

@RR:

Ally with me, PLEASE!

[Almost50]

^^ I'll give you evidence I'm town.

[Almost50]

@Titus:

Sometimes your stubbornness is extra awful. Why can't you just concede RR might be spot on. Like 50-50, perhaps?

[Almost50]

@Titus/@Mastina:

Based on (stuff) I can CONFIRM RR to be spot on and THERE IS 3P in-play. Now most of (stuff) can be found in this thread, but if you've missed it the first time I don't think you'll catch it on the 2nd or even 3rd reread if you do one.

Since it might be anti-town to bring it up to light I'm stopping at this for now. I know neither of you thinks much of me as a quality player, but I urge you to consider your stance regarding 3P existence, as they DO exist and I say this as "I KNOW" not as as in "I think".

This is probably another reason why I want to ally with RR instead of Shiro tonight. I won't be giving Shiro that 3rd point from foregoing an action/event, but I also believe I can add to RR's knowledge and they can add to mine and could correct me on where I'm going astray.

I do appreciate your input about staying with Shiro and I certainly will stay with him unless RR explicitly accept me for an ally tonight, in which case I will take Shiro tomorrow (a 3-way alliance including him is certainly going to be interesting).

@RR:

There you go. I have something to contribute, and I will provide evidence I'm town, and I will enjoy having some things cleared to me by you.

For your paranoia to be put to rest; I'll give you one thing to ponder on for now: If I was scum, why wouldn't I have helped SC ally with Mastina? I tried to give him advice, granted, but I never advocated for such an alliance in public, and never once even hinted I would want her to accept his offer. (Hint: I was town reading him, but not that hard. I couldn't risk it).

In have also explicitly claimed the one time I had access to that Peridot twitter. Why do you think I did that? And why did I opt to post what I posted? Come on, dudes.. both of you, but Cerb in particular. This is your 4th game with me, and you still can't get hints off my play??? I get that Drixx may not (although he should, but.. whatever), but YOU (Cerb) I had expected to have figured me out already. I'm not that complex and I'm not particularly making it hard for anyone to read me either.

[Almost50]

Confirming allying with RR next.

@Siro:

I'm so sincerely sorry. I still strongly believe you're town, and I think it's for the best of the town that you ally with someone who does have some ability/event to forego.

[Almost50]

Farside, wanna ally with me?

Bad idea.

Bad for which of them exactly??

[Almost50]

Catching up, but have this "naive" question regarding the Finale allying process:

Do we have confirmation it would be a 3-way PT or could it be TWO separate PTs?

In other words.. if I submit X & Y, does X also have to ally with Y? Because I was thinking maybe:

A allies with B & C

B allies with A & D

C allies with A & D

as a simple example of making it a 4-way exchange of info. We could even expand on that to get it to 6 or 7 players passing the info to eachother (but that will be quite hard to agree on considering nobody trusts others reads, so whom I think is town you might not and if you did the 3rd person might not and so on).

[Almost50]

@Moi/@Shiro/@grapes:

Please remind me who you guys were/are allied with on D1/D2/D3. Thank you

[Almost50]

@Moi

/

@Shiro

/

@grapes

:

Please remind me who you guys were/are allied with on D1/D2/D3. Thank you

Thank you, Shiro.

@Moi & grapes

(also kindly, Shadow & kraska, please)

[Almost50]

@Titus: Who was your ally on D2/N2, please?

@SS: Did you ever get allied with anyone? If so; whom and what episode?

- Also, who was Math's ally on Episdoe 2?

@TWIE: Your allies on Episodes 1 & 2?

@McMenno: Yours on Episode 2 & 3?

@ Creature: Your current ally?

Thanks in advance to everyone who responds.

[Almost50]

I would prefer to not answer that

What??

[Almost50]

TY, Creature & Titus

P-edit:

@McMenno: What's wrong with knowing who you were/are allied with anyway?

[Almost50]

@almost, your thoughts on Farside please?

Thoughts?? Didn't she already claim 3P who's been messing us up?? Like, I had always thought she might've been a Crystal Gem, but I have obviously been wrong on so many aspects. I thought Mastina always having farside high on her read list was due to her (Mastina) recognizing far as one of her own (but the again I had Mastina pegged for a totally different character and thus a totally different role than this Centibeetle thing which I don't even know if it's Town to begin with).

I'm in the process of reassessing everything and while searching for missing cells on my table for the previous 3 days alliances I came across a post or two that also had an effect on changing some of my views and confirming others.

Suffice it to say, regardless of farside's alignment I'm VERY upset with her destroying my Joy Ride for her own amusement.

What I'm missing is:

D1: SnarkySnowman, Xkfyu, TheWayItEnds,

D2: SnarkySnowman, Seraphim (Fuzzy), CooLDoG (Math), McMenno, TheWayItEnds,

D3: McMenno,

I'm also not sure if Mastina had allied with anyone on D2/D3 and I'm shocked to see how many "didn't ally" cells on the table.

[Almost50]

D2 McMenno allied w Mastina but it failed. D3 they attempted to realign with her.

I would like to hear more details Almost.

Details about what? The table I'm doing or the farside issue?

[Almost50]

D2 McMenno allied w Mastina but it failed. D3 they attempted to realign with her.

I would like to hear more details Almost.

Details about what? The table I'm doing or the farside issue?

Both. I have a table as well, but it's a little incomplete too.

Mine is now complete. Ask about the missing data and I'll fill you in.

As for farside; I was working on the assumption she had destroyed my even specifically to allow Yume to bubble FB. My event would not have allowed an "outsider" to perform an action on someone inside.

But that would necessitate that farside already knew about Yume's ability, so they must have shared some sort of a communication link.

Now Yume is town, and Mastina is presumably Town, and they're together in this permanent neighbourhood, so I had every reason to believe farside was a member of their faction as well, and that they may have been more organized than us humans of Earth (due to them being Crystal Gems). To me this meant they may have had some sort of a messaging lobby.. maybe one that got activated by Mastina's action??

OK, never mind.. direct or indirect communication was my assumption, and to see Mastina always hard town reading farside it only made me believe it.

Now far says that may not be the case, and she did what she did for her own benefit, and Mastina isn't a main character of the Crystal gems either, and I'm back to square one on this issue.

[Almost50]

And to make the idea behind me going for the table clear to everyone:

We need to accumulate a certain number of points to defuse The Cluster. Right? This has been triggered at the start of D2, which means it was submitted at N1, so the scum having planned it ahead will know already before they picked their allies for D2.

So, alliances formed on D2 & D3 may NOT contain 2 scums together. Scum will try to get allied with Town to prevent the accumulation of 3 points from PTs (the extra point for both players forgoing their night action). However, some of them may have opted not to use their own active ability yet, and in this case they would prefer not to ally at all.

So, I'm mainly looking at people who had no allies on either D2, D3 or both. I'm also keeping a refernec of the actually formed alliances during these two days for future flips. Unfortunately, DGB was allied with KC on D1, so the "1 scum max in a PT" doesn't apply (nor does it apply to me allying with SC on D1, mind you). I'm not exactly "finished", yet I'm not sure where to go next. I need to sit with me and have a little talk, but I can't seem to catch me with a clear enough mind.

[Almost50]

Did Skybird claim whom she voted yet??

[Almost50]

dovetails

What table/cell/row commands?? I'm doing this on a WORD file. I can't be bothered to open an Excel sheet aside from the main file I use to take notes, keep vote counts and even have the code for my wiki page to update when it "mysteriously" loses content.

Spoiler: Sorry if it looks messy!

Shadow_Step [E1:Skybird][E2:grapes] [E3:-]
Xkfyu [E1:SS or -][E2:Almost] [E3:Skybird]
Skybird [E1:Shadow_Step][E2:farside] [E3:Xkfyu]
Shiro [E1:Firebringer][E2:random] [E3:-]
DrippingGoofball [E1:KC][E2:-] [E3:TWIE]DoG
Farside22 [E1:Yume][E2:Skybird] [E3:Not Chara]
Yume [E1:farside][E2:RR] [E3:Titus]
Mathblade [E2:SS or -]
Reasonably Rational [E1:Titus][E2:Yume] [E3:Almost]
grapes [E1:Not Chara][E2:Shadow_Step] [E3:Fuzzy]
mastiE2 [E1:-][E2:McMenno FAIL] [E3:McMenno FAIL]
Not Chara [E1:grapes][E2:kraska] [E3:farside]
kraskaesque [E1:McMenno][E2:Not Chara] [E3:-]<<Share on E2???
MagnaofIllusion [E1:-][E2:KC] [E3:-]
McMenno [E1:kraska][E2:FAIL Mastina] [E3:FAIL Mastina]
Firebringer [E1:Shiro][E2:-] [E3:-]
TheFuzzylogic99 [E1:Math][E2:-] [E3:grapes]
SnarkySnowman [E1:Xf or -][E2:Math or -] [E3:Creature]
Creature [E1:randomidget][E2:-] [E3:Snarky]
randomidget [E1:creature][E2:Shiro] [E3:-]
TheWayItEnds [E1:-][E2:-] [E3:DGB]
Almost50 [E1:SC][E2:Xkfyu] [E3:RR]

Notes:
1- I took away the dead from the list, but they're still there in the repective slots they occupied with the living.
2- Titus is not included (Mod-confirmed)
3- I went back reattached myself (I'm confirmed to me, but not to others, so I had deleted myself in my own version)

[Almost50]

@RR:

I also have a little question regarding the show itself pending in the PT

[Almost50]

Spoiler: @Titus:

1- Xk is with Skybird today, not Shadow. (Sky confirmed it in 6460)
2- Shiro cannot be with random today. To my understanding one cannot ally with the same person twice in a row (at least that's how I took what Math was saying).
3- DGB is with TWIE today. 6629
4- farside got NC today (I don't remember where it was mentioned, but they can both confirm)
5- Snarky & Creature are allied today. 6892

P.S. On my table, when in doubt I put X or Y. If the cell only has a dash (-) it means "nobody".

[Almost50]

Hey almost50

ally with me tonight?

Well, you're likely town, but you don't talk much.

I'll tell you what. If we can agree on a third person and get the green light from YUME and RR thwne we're good to go!

[Almost50]

OK, so @Yume & @Snarky:

How would you feel about allying with eachother (and with myself)??

[Almost50]

Almost, you're up. Who did you vote for in the beach event?

Mastina (as per RR's recommendation)

[Almost50]

Nah, I am allying with Almost and Skybird.

You mean Almost and SNARKY, don't you? We need to be precise lest alliances get mixed up!!

[Almost50]

Fire, stop not caring damn it D: Leave yume alone, she is obv town.

To be precise; she's also obv town.

[Almost50]

OK, I have now reached my decidion.

VOTE: Creature

1- For voting every wagon there was on D1, and only voting SC twice for distancing. Once was early enough for allegedly “whiteknighting” and the other when the wagon was taking off and then unvoted the following page.

2- For sheeping Shiro when they scum read me right after he had stated he scum read Shiro.

3- For allegedly voting Shadow_Step in RR's event, which doesn't make sense at all.

4- For not having an ally on E2, and allying with Town!Snarky on E3, which fits my pattern for scum behaviour on those particular 2 Episodes.

5- Overall, Creature's play is the definition of active lurking. He has over 200 posts, yet has brought a total of the square root of zero multiplied by null in any relevant direction.

Also;
FoS @ randomidget; Creatures ally on E1 who allegedly didn't vote in the event, and is not allied in E3.
FoS @ Shadow_Step; whom Creature claims to have voted for the event which I will also note as distancing (Creature's into that, btw). Shadow also voted ME for the event, which -again- makes no sense, and is not allied on E3.

W/O making a wall, my lynch pool (in order) would be:
Creature > Fire > random > Shiro > TWIE > DGB > Step

I have stated my case on Creature, and only included the reasoning on random & Shadow bc they're both directly linked to said case. However, this list includes all those who fit the patterns from both allying table and voting in RR's event.

P.S. I'm not totally against the lynch of farside either, and I can see the validity of Titus case on her. However, I'm going for the obvious first.

[Almost50]

Can you explain why mastin claimed YOU were the source of the kc kill? She said it was the same source as rhe fb thing, which you've claimed....but you say it was scum, not you.

To my understanding: FB was "bubbled" but has not been "shot at". KC -on the the other hand- was also "bubbled" but also got shot at. Now the "shooting" originated from the scum team(s). The "bubbling" however is Yume's doing. The Bubbling results in the removal of the player from the game regardless of their being dead or alive, thus withholds their flip. Am I too far off?

[Almost50]

I DONT UNDERSTAND
IS YUME A 3P TOO?

Not exactly, but that's how everybody's been referring to them.

My understanding is we have two town factions with slightly different "phrasing" in their win con. One of these two has the Human residents of Beach City, and the other has the Crystal Gems. But -to me- both FACTIONS are Town (and I stress of the word "factions" bc some members could either be fake claiming or there maybe traitors and what not.)

[Almost50]

you know what this site needs.

a minus ISO feature where i can read the game without posts from some players.

You'd still see them quoted by others. Like, I could wall quote the one(s) who bug you the most and just add for my own comment!!

[Almost50]

Fire: ...what?

kraska: your list looks like mine. just add Creature.

Yeah, replace MoI with Creature and it looks a tad better.

[Almost50]

i don't see scum allying with each other day one

Why, this is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what I'm thinking. They already knew what bonuses/advantages their roles would give to eachother, so they would've allied with eachother early enough. On E2/E3 they may have opted to ally with town to mess up with the points accumulation for The Cluster prevention.

[Almost50]

@far:

So, you're saying that lynching you isn't even going to cost us the day lynch?? Why shouldn't I just vote you then? If you're truthful we lose nothing, and if you're lying we lynch scum. What am I missing?

[Almost50]

I confirm. Our third could be Almost.

Ok, thanks.

@Xk

- Sorry bud. No allying tonight. My apologies.

So, it's Yume & MoI for me?? Is that final?? Shall I send the request to Mr-V now?

[Almost50]

Whoa are you going with this night for alliance?
I promise not to disband the alliance this time if you join me and kraska

Anyone who actually entertains an alliance with Farside is either scum or really stupid about how much they want to hurt Town ...

Farside should ally with DGB. Far gets her points breaking it up while DGB enjoys stealing her vote!

[Almost50]

Whoa are you going with this night for alliance?
I promise not to disband the alliance this time if you join me and kraska

Anyone who actually entertains an alliance with Farside is either scum or really stupid about how much they want to hurt Town ...

Farside should ally with DGB. Far gets her points breaking it up while DGB enjoys stealing her vote!

DGB steals votes????

Like, KC repeatedly said DGB controlled her vote, and now TWIE says she controls his vote today, so YES.. pretty much so.

[Almost50]

Actually my PoE list is anyone who hasn't voted mastin2, Titus or Not Chara.

ROTFLMGO!

I mean, most of us probably do agree on THAT, but it's even more ironic that YOU (the guy who voted Shadow) is the one saying it now.

[Almost50]

VOTE: snarky

That would be the 5th vote on SS, and by now it looks like a duplicate of SC's wagon in the sense of "I don't like it, but I'm also town reading everyone on it".

[Almost50]

just be glad iraonapvp isn't in this game

Why? Do you think he would've drawn a "scum-aligned" role?

[Almost50]

@Mastina / @Titus:

Can we please drop the "I think" and only use the "I know"?? It's really getting to me that each of you has her own "couple of players" she insists on being Town for no apparent reason. Well, not one that I can see anyway.

Creature is not clear to me, nor to Titus it appears. Mastina prefers to think he's clear, or leaning so. WHY?

Doubt is still being casted on Skybird for no apparent reason it seems, despite Yume basically confirming her identity.

In my owm small world, there's only a handful (actually TWO hands-full) of players I've managed to deduce their flavour. I still don't know who Pearl is. I have a couple of candidates, but Creature isn't one of them.

RR is also being suspected for no reason at all, except maybe paranoia.

Defense of FB's poor play and mudslinging towards conf!Town is weird. The fact Kling flipped and we're still letting DGB live is sickening. And so on, and so on.

Now, please: If you have INFO; SHARE IT! If you don't, then don't give me false signs of someone's guilt/innocence. Sheeping doesn't -at all- feel good to me unless I do have an idea of what we're going for/against.

Thank you.

[Almost50]

@Titus:

I hard defended SC and didn't voter him at all. I also assure you a simple plan to manipulate the votes on Beach-A-Balooza isn't beyond me. However, it was RR's plan to use that to catch scum in the first place, right? Things went a bit off the designated plan with you having to confirm yourself (not blaming you, but it did affect the plan), but that doesn't make RR scum.

To reiterate, just try to imagine what the situation would've looked like if (a) you weren't confirmed before the voting process, and/or (b) you voted Mastina instead of voting yourself. Things would've looked MUCH different I presume. No?

But anyway, I'm nor sure if RR told you about this little "something" that should fairly prove their identity (flavour). I haven't even confirmed that with them in the PT, so there's like a 5% possibility I'm mistaking, but still a 95% chance they are this certain character.

The thing about Sky could easily be resolved if Yume can tell you if it was VARSOON who said they're now Stevonie or her own assumption/deduction. I mean, Yume (as a person) maybe "pure and innocent" but I very much doubt she's "naive". She does have sensitive feelings, but her brain works fine. Now you do share a PT with her, so please double check (since she won't answer the question here in the thread). Was the STEVONIE thing mentioned by VARSOON??

[Almost50]

VOTE: Farside

Let's see if all this nonsense makes any sense now.

[Almost50]

That was a hammer. That one's on me. Let's see if farside has been telling the truth and won't get lynched after all.

[Almost50]

I wanted to hammer.


Oh well now we wait for the mod to restart this game day.

I know. Which is why I did it, tbh. If you hammering yourself gives you bonus points I didn't want you to get them. Consider it my payback for you destroying my event.

[Almost50]

Yume, YOU ROCK!

VOTE: farside

Can you do it again??

[Almost50]

No, I can't vote twice.

ROTFL.

What I meant was YOU ROCK for voting farside again. The "Can you do it again?" though was directed at her. I was asking farside if she could escape the lynch twice in a row.

[Almost50]

@Varsoon: Please clarify how season finale alliances will work. Do all members involved need to submit the other two members names? If one of the members doesn't, does that mean no alliance will form?

-Cerb

I've already asked this and got an answer, but it was relative to a certain hypothetical situation. I think it'd be better to let Varsoon explain the general procedure.

[Almost50]

@Mastina:

Perhaps you missed it, but I specifically requested you stop clearing people w/o providing evidence. You can repeat yourself about Creature not being town a hundred timws, and it still won't change my stance a single inch. Creature is my top scum read.

You can also defend farside all you wish, but her anti-town behaviour is better dealt with now than later.

The same could be said about Firebringer, albeit to a lesser degree.

Finally, I could compromise on DGB 'though I essentially agree the traitor is of less priority at this time, but they could still be recalled to the main team anytime, so there's that.

If you want me to vote outside these 4, I'm afraid "I assure you.. " and "I'm confident.." won't do. You'd need to both provide a convincing case on someone else AND convince me these 4 are not scum.. analytically.

[Almost50]

So Yume passed away as a martyr to save the rest of us? *Sigh*
This quite changes a lot.

@MoI:

We need to agree on a 3rd for our alliance and get them to confirm they're submitting us both as well. I'll let you pick, but I don't want anyone "questionable", as it's already has been announced that I might end up with a shitload of info/analysis from RR that I would need to pass along.

Also, a reminder: Since The Cluster already went off then we no longer need to worry about not using night actions. In other words, all investigative/informative/protective Town Roles are free to perform their actions tonight.

[Almost50]

Oh and Farside

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=67827

There you go.

I was a gunsmith that lasted for several days and caught scum every day but one with the checks when working with Shiro. The latter half was me.

So with all do respect, I am damn good at this game when going and no bullshit distractions.

And you had to bring up this game right here and now?? WHY DON'T YOU EVER LISTEN TO ME REGARDING MY SCUM READS ON D1?? WHY??

[Almost50]

Here goes nothing:

1- I have no idea who you are Mr editor of "Keep Beach City Weird". Enlighten me.

2- There is no guarantee DGB didn't vote. She was allied with TWIE at the start of E3 (when the voting occured). If TWIE is scum (and I'm leaning that way) then she was already in contact with the main scum team and could have been given directions.

3- I also have no idea who ended up allying with whom. I ended up allying with MoI (and -unfortunately- grapes was not included. Sorry about that, mate. I caused the confusion, so it's my fault although I did submit your name as my secondary pick).

and I would also like almost to say why he lied about sending you a pizza

Actually that was a misunderstanding. I didn't even know Titus actually did receive "Pizza". Titus said "Peridot" sent her Pizza, and we both know Peridot didn't and doesn't send Pizza, so I thought Titus was crumbing Jenny Pizza, and I responded accordingly. If you reread what I said I only said "You said you received Pizza" not that

I

gave it to her.

also why was no one lynched due to that event? that's... weird

That's what I'd like to know as well. RR's conclusion makes some sense though.

I'm warming up to a shadow_step lynch...

That's who both myself and MoI submitted for the lynch, thinking Titus would likely pick them too. I was afraid of the 3 (?) scum votes piling up on someone, so went against my preference to get Creature lynched as it didn't look like that would get enough votes to outweigh the scum votes.

dear friends
i can tamper with the stress and increase it by 4
should i ?

I vote yay, but not now. I think it plausible to not let the scum have a "guaranteed to go through" kill. However, events need to be triggered at higher stress it seems, and we might want to limit those as well.

@far / @ Titus:

Could you both put eachother on ignore list so the rest of us can actually put our heads together elsewhere?? Thank you.

[Almost50]

@Almost, with all due respect, no. If Farside is scum, we get like 5 clears. Sorting Farside is high priority. If TWIE is town, I am inclined to ignore Farside and pressure those manipulating me.

And these are two "ifs". Farside is likely antagonistic town and TWIE is likely scum to me. RR is also town. Snarky and Shiro are town leans, and kraska is an absolute null.

I'd lynch Creature > TWIE > Shadow > Fuzzy. I wouldn't mind lynching farside but ONLY to get us rid of this never ending duel going between you and her, but I don't see the need to go down that road when we have others who are much more likely to flip scum.

[Almost50]

@Titus:

You have random listed twice. I think the first one should be Shiro? I also have no idea about the DGB-Mastina alliance.

TWIE didn't ally with anyone on E1/E2 and eventually allied with DGB on E3, and THAT is the gateway/link between DGB and the main scum team IMHO.

[Almost50]

almost
why is Creature scum in your opinion?

Considering I've already put up a complete neat case of 5 points (which is something I rarely ever do), I take it that you are not reading the thread which is scummy in itself.

[Almost50]

TWIE did not vote at all day 1 and day 2.....kind of odd since it seemed he was leaning scum on SC.....
I am curious why TWIE did not vote until day 3

Fine, so we go for CREATURE and we delay the TWIE lynch because of THIS here post. If Fuzzy is scum with Creature and is pushing TWIE over Creature it may mean TWIE is a mislynch.

[Almost50]

caveat here is that creature isn't scum

Put your info on the table for me to read and verify, please. Why is Creature not scum?

[Almost50]

@Titus:

The very first thing that came to my mind when I read: "If no other 'Gem' characters exist outside of the scum faction.." was that all Crystal Gems are dead, and that includes Pearl. The "resurrection" mechanic isn't beyond Varsoon as a mod, so we would all be tricked into thinking Pearl came back to life through some mechanical ability. This was even fortified by the "fake Pearl" only being able to VOTE, but not talk or ally with anyone (so as not to get exposed as the real Pearl must've said something to someone who can in turn use it to verify the identity of the resurrected (fake) Pearl.

[Almost50]

Skybird: Allied with Farside22. Triggered "Sworn to the Sword" Event. Was allied with Foxbird. Attempted to kill grapes.

I just noticed this

this means grapes is basically conftown, right?

Nope. This is coming from mod-confirmed scum so could very well be a lie. Now let's not get confused. I do have a town read on grapes regardless, but the above quote means absolutely nothing to me.

[Almost50]

Mastin2:

Allied with Creature. No Action. Had no Ally.

Okay, so the no action is my fault since I didn't know I could say that, but this is interesting.
I said that I had no ally and that I submitted McMenno.

Also also, the good news is: I got a guilty with my investigation.
The bad news is: I think in spite of the result, TheWayItEnds is town anyway and just has a killing action meaning I (probably) wasted my role.

So, you're telling us TWIE has an ability that allows him to kill, and yet you still think him to be town?? With all the lack of kills that's been going on so far?

To me: ANYONE who has the ability to kill is a suspect. I firmly believe the scum had to forgo their night kills to trigger the Cluster.

VOTE: TWIE

That's until I know WHY he is town, and then -if convinced- I'll switch to Creature, again until I'm given reason to believe the claims he's Town aligned.

If both arguments are convincing enough, I will move on to lynch Shadow_Step.

[Almost50]

right, but there's reason to believe that skybird's claim was one of the mod-corrected ones

Who says the mod "had" to correct anything. V had guaranteed 3 (at least) will be 100% accurate claims. If he received 3 or more accurate claims, why would he correct the rest?

And no, mine wasn't mod-corrected, but it has been "rephrased" better. I said something along the lines of "I triggered my Joy Ride event which resulted in myself and the said 4 player being in an alliance.". I also had "all of whom are my own picks" attached to assert they were not random picks. If you want, I could go dig the PM I send for the exact phrasing.

[Almost50]

Mastin2:

Allied with Creature. No Action. Had no Ally.

Okay, so the no action is my fault since I didn't know I could say that, but this is interesting.
I said that I had no ally and that I submitted McMenno.

Also also, the good news is: I got a guilty with my investigation.
The bad news is: I think in spite of the result, TheWayItEnds is town anyway and just has a killing action meaning I (probably) wasted my role.

So, you're telling us TWIE has an ability that allows him to kill, and yet you still think him to be town?? With all the lack of kills that's been going on so far?

To me: ANYONE who has the ability to kill is a suspect. I firmly believe the scum had to forgo their night kills to trigger the Cluster.

VOTE: TWIE

That's until I know WHY he is town, and then -if convinced- I'll switch to Creature, again until I'm given reason to believe the claims he's Town aligned.

If both arguments are convincing enough, I will move on to lynch Shadow_Step.

Explain please.

I was specifically looking for which actions were mod corrected but there's no NK submission.

We were all wondering why N1 ended with no scum kills. N2 also didn't if I recall right (my brain is malfunctioning today and I'm damn too lazy to check back). I had this theory about the Cluster (which may kill "several" people) being their "mass-kill" alternative to individual NKs. In my theory, if they wanted to activate the Cluster they had to forgo their usual night kills (I believe it to be a balancing thing from Varsoon).

So, scum had the ability to kill each night but chose not to in order for the Cluster to work, and I firmly believe in that theory of mine.

[Almost50]

Mastin2:

Allied with Creature. No Action. Had no Ally.

Okay, so the no action is my fault since I didn't know I could say that, but this is interesting.
I said that I had no ally and that I submitted McMenno.

Also also, the good news is: I got a guilty with my investigation.
The bad news is: I think in spite of the result, TheWayItEnds is town anyway and just has a killing action meaning I (probably) wasted my role.

So, you're telling us TWIE has an ability that allows him to kill, and yet you still think him to be town?? With all the lack of kills that's been going on so far?

To me: ANYONE who has the ability to kill is a suspect. I firmly believe the scum had to forgo their night kills to trigger the Cluster.

VOTE: TWIE

That's until I know WHY he is town, and then -if convinced- I'll switch to Creature, again until I'm given reason to believe the claims he's Town aligned.

If both arguments are convincing enough, I will move on to lynch Shadow_Step.

Explain please.

I was specifically looking for which actions were mod corrected but there's no NK submission.

We were all wondering why N1 ended with no scum kills. N2 also didn't if I recall right (my brain is malfunctioning today and I'm damn too lazy to check back). I had this theory about the Cluster (which may kill "several" people) being their "mass-kill" alternative to individual NKs. In my theory, if they wanted to activate the Cluster they had to forgo their usual night kills (I believe it to be a balancing thing from Varsoon).

So, scum had the ability to kill each night but chose not to in order for the Cluster to work, and I firmly believe in that theory of mine.

What evidence supports it?

Nothing solid. It's circumstantial evidence (lack of NKs), but it's good enough. If The town had a killing role in TWIE, why the heck is farside still alive today? I mean, I'm NOT suggesting she should be vigged at this time, but at some point in the past it was a plausible move.

OK, not farside. Why wasn't DGB who had already claimed a traitor and her flip would've helped with the read on KC. Why wasn't DGB vigged? There are others who -at one point or another- would've been plausible vig targets, and none of them was shot.

The lack of NKs means either scum are forgoing their night action OR town with protection has been shot at, both of which spell TWIE is SCUM.

[Almost50]

The lack of an n1 kill is a major source of paranoia for me. If your theory is correct, my last final doubts on RR can be put to rest Almost. So I apologize if you feel criticized. I want you to be right, so I am triple checking you.

You simply can't suspect RR AND farside at this point. The vote analysis of Beach-a-balooza doesn't support such suspicion.

Sky already flipped scum and need 1 more scum to cover for her. Now RR also voted Mastina, and for them to be scum they would need yet another scum to cover for them. That's FOUR scum already, with SC already dead.

Now farside would've needed TWO more scum to cover for her, so that's THREE plus the five above-mentioned = EIGHT???!! Even assuming DGB had a link and IS part of the ploy, eight sounds far far farfetched to me.

Now check RR's allies: Titus - Yume - Almost - Titus+Shiro (need confirmation on that last one). Regardless of how bad you think others are, do you think Cerb/Drixx will be inclined to ally with those names in particular, and TWICE with you in precise if they were scum??

RR also are still more or less wary of the Gems (something we partially disagree on, but it's no big deal.) and that doesn't come from scum. Scum will have pushed harder for a "CGs are anti-town 3rd party" or said nothing at all. Standing in the middle (they can win with us, but we're not sure if they can win independently or not) kind of stance only comes from town perspective.

Now I can't guarantee you RR reads are spot on (you may discuss them with them if you did end up allying together today) but I can promise you RR is Town in this game.

Btw, I think you and I should consider being allies in a couple of days.

[Almost50]

Unless you think putting player at a lower threshold is a good thing?

That should depend on the mechanics involved for kraska's ability. Can she do it AFTER a hammer has been laid?

My point is: With the delay in flips, it'd be much better for us to know on the spot if we lynched Town or Scum. We put TWIE on L-1 and then kraska does her thing and we wait for Varsoon to do a VC. If TWIE is lynched he was Town and we don't need to wait till the next day to know that. If he doesn't get lynched then he is SCUM and we lay the hammer still.

So, the only draw back is if kraska's ability doesn't trigger at Twilight, and TWIE flips Town (in which case the hammer had been laid before she did her thing, so it doesn't trigger).

If I'm not being clear, someone with better linguistic abilities should phrase this post. I know -at least- a couple of you could still extract the meaning out of my gibberish anyway.

[Almost50]

I wanted the stress to go to at least +3

I wanted the stress to go to at least +3

I'm hoping for +1.

And I probably don't care, except for what Varsoon said that at current level all scum kills will go through, so I want it up by "whatever".

[Almost50]

@TWIE:

So, have you decided on someone in particular to vig if you're still alive tonight?

[Almost50]

because varsoon told me all my actions will fail while in this alliance

On the PT wall?? (i.e. Opening post?).

In fact, tell us what's written on that wall, please. For now..

UNVOTE:

In fact:

VOTE: Shadow_Step

I'd be waiting for TWIE's response to elaborate on this.

Hey guys varsoon said only during exposition

Sorry? What did Varsoon say was only during exposition?

[Almost50]

OK.. someone please double check. Maybe I missed something, but I think kraska slipped with this coming out of nowhere:

Hey guys varsoon said only during exposition

To my knowledge, kraska has never been allied Snarky, so how she knows what Varsoon said is not clear to me. She's either scum with Snarky, Scum with Creature or Scum with TWIE (could also be scum with BOTH the Creature & TWIE).

I unvoted TWIE earlier bc if Snarky was blocking him ALL EPISODE it also meant Snarky was blocking Creature all of E2, thus Creature could not have killed NC. Furthermore, for Snarky to have that effect and TWIE still sllying with him meant he could not be scum with Creature (bc he didn't know he would be blocked). The part about "only exposition" though changes everything back, but the one thing more obvious now would be krasks saying something about someone else's role with whom she was never allied.

Please double check and let kraska explain.

[Almost50]

@Titus:

Asked whom? kraska? TWIE? Varsoon?? I don't think you were referring to kraska with a "him", and my point is regarding her saying that before even TWIE or Creature answered. That didn't look like a question to me either. kraska was "stating" that the block only worked on day abilities. How did she know that?

[Almost50]

@Almost, I asked Kraska. I did because I have an exposition only ability. Kraska was referring to his own stress ability when he said exposition only.

@Almost, We asked him to check at night. I have an exposition only ability as well. Mine is on my pm though.

@RR, If Twie is scum, lynching him has the status at negative 4. You townreading TWIE?

There's a delay on flips Titus. TWIES alignment does not matter when it comes to making sure stress is not at -4 as we go into the night. All that matters is what effect NCs flip has on stress, and whether or not kraska uses his power.

-Cerb

Hey you two, please pay more attention to pronouns. The kraska heads is a SHE and is becoming a bit sensitive to people insisting on referring to HER in masculine pronouns.

This announcement was not game-related, but out of courtesy. No animals have been killed or injured during the composition of this post. Please don't try these stunts at home.

[Almost50]

@almost50 what are you even talking about
what even is your question

Hold on. You were talking about your stress changing ability?
I mistook your post to be addressing the SS blocking ability. Please disregard.

Disclaimer: My concentration is deteriorating. It's almost as if I'm stoned all the time now (I don't even do drugs AT ALL). Geez I'm not THAT old, but I sometimes feel like I'm over 70 both physically and mentally. *Hangs head down in shame*

OK, so disregarding my confusion, Creature said SS didn't block his night action. (Now THAT I'm sure of).

This means Creature knew about the blocking ability of SS and TWIE still allied with SS, so Creature+TWIE as scum doesn't work. It's ONE of the three of SS/Creature/TWIE.

However, here's a question @ Creature: WHY did you opt to act at night rather than forego your action to add points towards the Cluster event diffusion?

[Almost50]

Did some digging ...

If Not Chara is Town as is reasonable to be believed then grapes is overwhelmingly likely to be Town as well given how Night 1 turned out.

Not to mention if Skybird's statement IS one of the 3 mod-corrected then grapes is 100% NOT group scum.

[Almost50]

Can anyone give a good argument as to why we should not lynch TWIE?

You said SS didn't block you last night. This means you submitted an action last night that went through. Why did you submit an action when willingly choosing not to would have added a point to the counter we are all contributing to (or at least should be) to stop the Cluster?

[Almost50]

Shadow_Step has no other non-factional abilities or Episode Events besides the ability to confirm this information.

And -by implication- Shadow could still have a factional ability to kill; a mere goon in other words. Thanks for nothing, mate.

[Almost50]

and Shadow_step claimed Almost50, who got no other votes.

IMHO, that was a very safe claim VC-wise (yet very ludicrous logic-wise). I was neither a leading town read for the crowd (only the Town leaders knew my identity/alignment) nor was I a scum read for many (if any). Anyway you slice it nobody would've vote me over you/Titus (if knew what they were doing) or over a dozen others (if they misunderstood and only read about the flavour being exposed).

[Almost50]

What are the allies?

I'm thinking grapes for me. I would like to make it up for the mess I caused today.

[Almost50]

Oh, A50: the thing I thought I knew about shiro? Totally wrong, so yeah.
-Cerb

Got it. But Shiro is still Town. Yes?

Well it's down to Creature/S_S by PoE here, which is a bit puzzling to me, but it's not that big a deal.

[Almost50]

Farside is not clear without us figuring out where DGB could have allied on D2. Things still aren't locked up there, TWIE is *not* the only possible link from the chart I saw.

If she did it would've been one of Fuzzy/creature/TWIE/Snarky <<< add Shadow and we get to the same 5 we're arguing about to lynch one all day.

[Almost50]

This is a Varsoon game. Scum have daychat.

Varsoon specifically said all chat PTs will be locked except for alliances.

[Almost50]

Guys, can we slow this shit down a bit?

I'm so far out of the loop this game and that isn't good.

I didn't try for an alliance.

I submitted your name :/

Anyway, just to be safe:

VOTE: No Lynch

[Almost50]

Fuzzy is 90% town with snarkys flip

Not sure I understand this one.

[Almost50]

Also, I think everyone who stated they can't vote should place a vote somewhere to prove that's the case, before kraska ends the event.

VOTE: Farside22

And once he does end the event, NOBODY VOTE UNLESS IT'S ON FARSIDE, since we know she can place at least 5 votes, so right now everyone is at l-2.

-Cerb

Ah, ok...

VOTE: Farside

[Almost50]

If the Exposition ends on a non-scum lynch, the entire scum team is removed from the game and unable to take actions for the Climax phase.

I think it best to vote NO LYNCH today and force scum out of the game for the Climax phase. Every Townie with a night action will target a suspect with it. Tomorrow we will get results, and if you action went through then the player was available and they're town. If your action got blocked then your target was scum.

Please tell me if I'm missing something. Oh, and if we go down that route we need to get organized and not to step on eachother's toes, while -at the same time- not revealing much more info.

Let me first ask:

@Varsoon:

If Scum are removed from the game tonight, can they still submit/form alliances on phase 6?
Put another way (but please treat it as a separate question for the sake of clarity): Can scum still submit alliance requests in advance and/or during the Climax phase?

[Almost50]

Gem Crystals are all town guys.
I think we need to lynch Farside at this point. She is too much of a liability to town.
I'm not allied.
VOTE: Farside
(test)

So last scum would be between Shiro/randomidget/TheFuzzylogic99/TheWayItEnds/MagnaofIllusion/Shadow_step

I agree with this analysis. My top choice out of these would be MoI. I have a pretty strong event in the bag btw

And that does it. The day should end in a no lynch regardless, but let's just wait for Varsoon to confirm all 7 players announcing not having alliances cannot vote for sure.

So far:

Not allied: Creature, Almost50, Thefuzzylogic99, Shiro, grapes, Reasonably Rational, randomidget,
Allied: Farside22 + Kraskaeaque
Status unknown: mastin2, Shadow_Step, MagnaofIllusion, TheWayItEnds,

[Almost50]

Massclaim doesn't sound like a bad idea but thoughts are appreciated.

If we do, I'll let Shiro claim my character on my behalf.

[Almost50]

not true...Kfkyu flipped 3rd party........ I think atleast there is atleast 1 more 3rd party left over

Xk flipped a Crystal Gem that WAS a leftover before joining the CGs. I agree there's at least one more, and I might be inclined to think they could join SCUM by own choice (i.e. exactly the way Xk had the option to join the CGs). At one point Xk thought that might've been FB, but we know now that's not the case. I'd nominate farside to be that one missing leftover/scum (explains how her vote in beachabalooza counted for 2 just BEFORE she joined the Scum faction + why she claimed her ability to reset votes was 1-shot + hammering SS..etc.)

[Almost50]

I believe there are two Crystal Gems alive, farside22 could be one, MoI could be the other.

Farside is NOT a CG. Period.

[Almost50]

mid: does scum get an extra kill with a no lynch

A No Lynch keeps all of the Event outcomes from happening, as both are contingent on a lynch occurring.

Thanks you for dashing theories from rr.

This IS what RR said. It was

I

who suggested a NL would count as a "non scum lynch".

[Almost50]

I submitted your name :/

Anyway, just to be safe:

VOTE: No Lynch

Why did you vote for nolynch here?

Read the rest of my posts, please.

[Almost50]

Spoiler:

I'm sorry :') somehow missed the word town

And I checked with the mod, I can't vote enough to make a lynch happen, as I said many moons ago the ability can only be no more the half the vote count.

I'm think kraska should end this event, players can lynch me, and one I flip town rr needs to explain why he didn't believe my claim.
Again he stated day 2 to give points to 3p players, I'm the only person to claim needing points but he calls me nothing more then a liar.
He also kept the Titus tunnel going on with the hypo theory that never got proven and if you read day 4 he still left an opening for twie flip either way.
Creature is for sure not town. He called snarky town day 3 and voted for him day 4 for no reason stated.
My gut says twie isn't scum but I'm not married to that read. I'd say focus on the first 2 scum reads before letting the rabbit hole bs from rr lead this game.

Holy shit.

I just fucking understood what you're talking about. You thought I claimed my role allowed me to give points to someone.

I did not claim that. I have no idea what post you're referring to, but I'm almost positive we were talking about philosophically, how we approach third partis and give them the benefit of the doubt/don't subscribe to the site meta of auto lynching third parties.

Lmao. Every time you said that, I thought you were pissed because we said we're not as quick to lynch third parties as most but we were still suspicious of you in spite of that, when the whole time you actually meant believed we had mechanical reason to believe your claim and couldn't understand why we didn't(which, btw, is untrue, I don't believe either of us ever said we didn't believe your claim(at least certainly not after you displayed your lynchproof)).

-Cerb

Fair enough. The xkfyu point can't be properly evaluated without knowing what he claimed to her and what steven has told her about it.

And I was telling you all yesterday that third parties are a thing here. I actually have evidence of at least 2 third party factions in this game, though only one has a pt/is informed at all.

So, were you playing towards a town win con, with the third party thing as an out just in case, or were you playing for the 3p win con the whole time? Is that why you were saying you weren't going to be using your vote power, so you wouldn't use up your points and put yourself further away from your alternative win condition?

@Yume: I said two things about peridot. Not sure which one you're saying is correct, but I did receive separate confirmation about my mechanical suspicions regarding peridot, whic simultaneously disproved my identity theory.

-Cerb

1.) I screwed up my shoulder pretty bad over this past weekend and it's just now bearable to be at the computer for more than a few minutes. I've got like 35 pages to catch up on, but I've got a couple things to say that are super important, after talking with Cerb for the last couple hours.

Please do not end the day until Cerb and I finish checking and making sure what we've concluded is correct. We need to share it with the game today. Please just bear with us. Cerb is tied up for a few hours and we want to be completely sure before we make the post.

2.) We are going to pop our event tonight, barring some change in stress that precludes it, so I'm not sure if we should ally or not. Whomever we ally with can't get the synergy and add 3 points towards the unknown goal as we will not be forgoing the use of our event. We plan to submit Randomidget, but

Random: you should not submit us if you think you can synergize elsewhere

. We would prefer to ally because we have some things we'd rather not say in the main thread but want to leave to someone in case we get killed.

We would appreciate if Mastin and Titus and Farside (specifically) would think about the ally thing and whether it's worth the potential loss of points for us to ally.

~Drixx

P.S. - Yume please check PT. Mastin please look for Yume to be relaying you some info. -- I'll be catching up for awhile while Cerb is busy and I've got something to do in about 3 hours, so it will be pretty late East Coast time before we get our post up.

Please just trust that it's worth waiting. It's important.

Someone's dense (no offense). Like each and every point/points mentioned here has a totally different reference than your own God damn points, and is crystal clear from the God damn context.

[Almost50]

FTR, farside is NOT scum, but -at this point- I'm fine lynching her right away and -if I knew a way- force her loss promptly. *Fuming in anger*

I'd also lynch Creature for the same friggin' reason, albeit him being less dense, but clearly not reading!!

Scum are in TWIE/Step_Shadow/kraskaesque. kraska's 9297 is a change of tone in preparation to finally let a mislynch occur on farside. (whose play -AGAIN- is EXTREMELY anti-town and has indeed managed to push me over the limites).

[Almost50]

so i was doing the thing yesterday where i drink instead of play this game.

i shot farside

Okay. So why isn't she dead?

-Cerb

Bc farside is a compulsive passive Roleblocker?

[Almost50]

The magic word is PASSIVE. It's a reflexive thing. A built-in ability, not a switch on/off one.

[Almost50]

but it was -4

Btw, I REALLY don't know what to make of this. On the one hand, it sounds like a scum slip as -according to the stress mechanics section in post #1- it's the SCUM FACTIONAL KILL that can't fail @ stress -4.

However, it could be another one of those who aren't reading either the rules or their own PMs. This is supported by the fact that -generally speaking- town actions tend to work better at higher stress and fail more often at low stress and the opposite applies to scum actions (talking about ACTIONS, not "events").

So, TWIE action failing gives him town points, unless someone corrects me (or he's lying to precisely get himself these town points).

[Almost50]

Creature (1): Farside22

And this one counts!

@Creature:

How come your vote did count when you're not allied?

[Almost50]

Farside is voting Creature not the other way around

Then this is my sign to go straight to bed.

[Almost50]

Well there wasn't a lot of discourse before the day actually started.

But I brought up that titus would be a good candidate and he sorta shrugged it off and changed the direction of the conversation to things like "why did you want to ally" and flavor. Even after I tried to talk about it twice.

I didn't tell him explicitly to vote titus because I didn't have time + didn't realize how big a deal the votes were. But thinking back it's strange that he didn't vote at all considering what we talked about.

Then there's some stuff about sky being conftown for getting an alliance with steven. And he says he thinks yume and mastin are confirmed but not quite. Like, yume and mastin were lower on his POE then skybird. Doesn't make a whole lotta sense.

Trouble is this could just be fuzzy derping but there's scum motive to be found all around.

So Fuzzy didn't just "forget", as you did bring it up with him in the PT "twice".

VOTE: TheFuzzylogic

[Almost50]

For farside to be scum they need two additional scum voting with her to make the numbers come out correct on Not Chara.

Or maybe her vote manipulation ability allowed her to cast enough votes on her own!

Guys, I'm starting to second guess each and every single one of you, tbh. This is NOT good. I want scum flipped today, and I want it to be one of those who could have covered for Sky, i.e. my preliminary lynch pool would be random, Shadow, Shiro, Fuzzy, TWIE, MoI, & Creature.

However, random + MoI are Gems. TWIE's action fail @-4 make me hesitant to vote his way. Creature's too scummy to actually be scum at this point (you didn't understand the counter for defusing the Cluster you say?!), and I'd have to tip my hat off for Shiro if that particular reason I'm reading them as town for was actually a deliberate ploy to appear town.

That leaves me with Shadow/Fuzzy, and I'm choosing Fuzzy bc he clearly could not have just forgotten to vote in Beachabalooza after having been reminded of it TWICE by grapes in their PT.

[Almost50]

With kraska cancelling the event I'd slot her just below blue status and would not be pushing on her today.

Kraska used her individual event to cancel out a mostly useless scum factional event.

It wasn't useless per se. I can now see RR's PoV. It meant a NL for today and a scum kill at night which would have brought us to even numbers (living players) which is always better for scum.