STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[farside22]

Okay, why not DGB?

MoI behavior just now, snarky pushing for her lynch too.
There both scum reads and I find it hard to believe scum would push a counter to another scum read.
Moi just got defensive when I stated I'd lynch him if snarky flips scum and his response was I'm not voting hom.
Ummm that doesn't make sense with what I just said.
Pretty sure moi is just kissing up to Titus, see his current vote with reason for that.

[farside22]

@farside, your reads? We hear all about who you don't want to lynch. Who do you want to lynch?

MoI, snarky, skybird, Shiro (still on there)
Wouldn't lose sleep lynch (dgb, TWIE, random, lurker I maybe forgeting)

You think snarky scum means someone pushing a counter shouldn't be looked at? Let me know.

Prove it. Vote DGB.

Pffffffffffffffffffffffft you just dont want that lynch over snarky.
Like if I'm right can I give you nothing but shit for being wrong?
I'd rather not.

Thanks but no thanks, I'd rather lynch a scum read and you of all players should know better.

Do you even care that I haven't hammered snarky when I can, or do you think I'm lying about that?
Please let me know.

I don't know your roles. You said L minus 2 before.

I do want DGB over Snarky. You're deflecting because either a) DGB is scum with you or b) DGB is town and exposes you.

That's so sweet either way I'm scum in your book.

[farside22]

K, I just want to make sure I was understanding you guys.

Fuzzy, why do you lean towards believing it? Beyond it's being a weird claim. Do you think Varsoon messed up or Farside messed up in claiming? Neither messed up?

So why do you feel the need to ask about my claim, what's your view?
Are you still scum reading snarky?

[farside22]

My view is you probably screwed up your claim or something. I'm trying to see where NC and Fuzzy are coming from because they are both interpreting your claim differently.

Snarky is still a scum read as is DGB.

How do you come to the conclusion you did in regards to my claim.

Titus proved one is correct, my lynched proved another part correct, would you care see see my hammer vote on snarky there?

[farside22]

I sorta feel like we should have people stop voting officially, but make intent posts, and whoever gets to high enough vote count farside uses her power on....because I really feel we want farside to use up her points,but we also don't want to lose out on the voting history.

-Cerb

I'd rather use it on someone I feel strongly is scum.
Especially with Ms damned if I do and damned if I don't there.
Do you really want Titus vs me day 4?

[farside22]

@farside, your reads? We hear all about who you don't want to lynch. Who do you want to lynch?

MoI, snarky, skybird, Shiro (still on there)
Wouldn't lose sleep lynch (dgb, TWIE, random, lurker I maybe forgeting)

You think snarky scum means someone pushing a counter shouldn't be looked at? Let me know.

Prove it. Vote DGB.

Pffffffffffffffffffffffft you just dont want that lynch over snarky.
Like if I'm right can I give you nothing but shit for being wrong?
I'd rather not.

Thanks but no thanks, I'd rather lynch a scum read and you of all players should know better.

Do you even care that I haven't hammered snarky when I can, or do you think I'm lying about that?
Please let me know.

I don't know your roles. You said L minus 2 before.

I do want DGB over Snarky. You're deflecting because either a) DGB is scum with you or b) DGB is town and exposes you.

Rr: you did read the above from Titus.
Which means regardless of what dgb flips there will be another argument from her.

[farside22]

RR
I would say no on that idea......bc voting is more important than intent to vote.

Not really, if everyone knows their intent will count towards lynching someone. It's just as meaningful, gets them on the record, but doesn't reduce the number of points farside will have to use on the off chance she is being honest.

@farside, your reads? We hear all about who you don't want to lynch. Who do you want to lynch?

MoI, snarky, skybird, Shiro (still on there)
Wouldn't lose sleep lynch (dgb, TWIE, random, lurker I maybe forgeting)

You think snarky scum means someone pushing a counter shouldn't be looked at? Let me know.

Prove it. Vote DGB.

Pffffffffffffffffffffffft you just dont want that lynch over snarky.
Like if I'm right can I give you nothing but shit for being wrong?
I'd rather not.

Thanks but no thanks, I'd rather lynch a scum read and you of all players should know better.

Do you even care that I haven't hammered snarky when I can, or do you think I'm lying about that?
Please let me know.

I don't know your roles. You said L minus 2 before.

I do want DGB over Snarky. You're deflecting because either a) DGB is scum with you or b) DGB is town and exposes you.

Rr: you did read the above from Titus.
Which means regardless of what dgb flips there will be another argument from her.

I thought you were planning on hammering snarky over DGB? Are you just saying that if dgb ends up with more "votes" her lynch is bad for you no matter what according to Titus, so you wouldn't use your ability on her?

-Cerb

I love how you avoid my question.
Do you think it's good for the town to keep the fight going into day 4?

[farside22]

Her iso is meh, she was voting farside though.

That's because she hates me.
Her words, not mine.

Meh

Vote: dgb

[farside22]

I should have just hammered snarky when I said I would.
Those saying I should wait I'm going to look at harder.

[farside22]

grapes/magna/a50
rr/tits/shiro
chara/mastin/menno
xk/shadow/creature
snarky/random
fuzzy/sky/twie
farside/kraska/fire

This look good? Speak now.

forgot that far gets points for solo win from alliances
i'll submit fire only then

I said I wouldn't.
If all I was doing was going for point I'd disbanded nc way long ago.

[farside22]

oh so you only get points from disbanding and not the alliance itself?

No points for getting into an alliance.
Just when/if I disband the alliancr.

[farside22]

ok then we're allying ^_^

Yah!!!

I need a pt to rant in.
NC has been wonderful towards my cursing.

[farside22]

i'm glad we didn't. there was no way farside was responsible for that Yume kill.

Walk me through the reasoning please? I'll reciprocate, but I'm trying to figure out why you're dismissing Farside as a suspect.

Also we should have been the one's to hammer, regardless of who it was. Anyone who doesn't realize why

really

hasn't been paying attention.

~Drixx

There is absolutely no link between Farside not triggering the event and her alignment.

Why kill Yume

now

? At that particular moment, the heat was coming off Farside. Giving six additional days and resetting doesn't make sense for Farside if she has the trigger.

I <3 you Titus. I really wanted to see what Not Chara would say though. Like .. really really wanted to see reasoning for that opinion from NC.

~Drixx

There are times I feel your questions are full of fluff and some false comments seem to be your Forte currently.
Not sure why.

[farside22]

i'm glad we didn't. there was no way farside was responsible for that Yume kill.

Walk me through the reasoning please? I'll reciprocate, but I'm trying to figure out why you're dismissing Farside as a suspect.

Also we should have been the one's to hammer, regardless of who it was. Anyone who doesn't realize why

really

hasn't been paying attention.

~Drixx

There is absolutely no link between Farside not triggering the event and her alignment.

Why kill Yume

now

? At that particular moment, the heat was coming off Farside. Giving six additional days and resetting doesn't make sense for Farside if she has the trigger.

I <3 you Titus. I really wanted to see what Not Chara would say though. Like .. really really wanted to see reasoning for that opinion from NC.

~Drixx

There are times I feel your questions are full of fluff and some false comments seem to be your Forte currently.
Not sure why.

I personally think Titus is mistaken and that the pressure flowing away from you made it

precisely

the right time for a scum!you to drop a bomb like that. It keeps you alive and took the focus away from you, which you desperately needed because Titus was only going elsewhere today because she couldn't get you lynched today.

But that's really beside the point, isn't it? I wanted to know what Not Chara had for reasoning, because it's not enough for someone to just express a position with no substantiation.

And could you be any more obvious in attacking the slot you know can ensure your death? I mean... seriously. Just kill us tonight if you're that worried about it.

~Drixx

And I could have hammer voted snarky but someone said to wait

Gee do you think scum was more frigtened by my ability there.
Moi sure would be up shit Creek with a Snarky scum flip.
I wasn't remotely on the table at that point.

At what point are you going to respond to the question I asked about scum not voting beach event.
I totally love you dancing past that question.

[farside22]

So Yume passed away as a martyr to save the rest of us? *Sigh*
This quite changes a lot.

@MoI:

We need to agree on a 3rd for our alliance and get them to confirm they're submitting us both as well. I'll let you pick, but I don't want anyone "questionable", as it's already has been announced that I might end up with a shitload of info/analysis from RR that I would need to pass along.

Also, a reminder: Since The Cluster already went off then we no longer need to worry about not using night actions. In other words, all investigative/informative/protective Town Roles are free to perform their actions tonight.

this is not true, keep foregoing night actions

What this guy says ^

[farside22]

i'm glad we didn't. there was no way farside was responsible for that Yume kill.

Walk me through the reasoning please? I'll reciprocate, but I'm trying to figure out why you're dismissing Farside as a suspect.

Also we should have been the one's to hammer, regardless of who it was. Anyone who doesn't realize why

really

hasn't been paying attention.

~Drixx

There is absolutely no link between Farside not triggering the event and her alignment.

Why kill Yume

now

? At that particular moment, the heat was coming off Farside. Giving six additional days and resetting doesn't make sense for Farside if she has the trigger.

I <3 you Titus. I really wanted to see what Not Chara would say though. Like .. really really wanted to see reasoning for that opinion from NC.

~Drixx

There are times I feel your questions are full of fluff and some false comments seem to be your Forte currently.
Not sure why.

I personally think Titus is mistaken and that the pressure flowing away from you made it

precisely

the right time for a scum!you to drop a bomb like that. It keeps you alive and took the focus away from you, which you desperately needed because Titus was only going elsewhere today because she couldn't get you lynched today.

But that's really beside the point, isn't it? I wanted to know what Not Chara had for reasoning, because it's not enough for someone to just express a position with no substantiation.

And could you be any more obvious in attacking the slot you know can ensure your death? I mean... seriously. Just kill us tonight if you're that worried about it.

~Drixx

And I could have hammer voted snarky but someone said to wait

Gee do you think scum was more frigtened by my ability there.
Moi sure would be up shit Creek with a Snarky scum flip.
I wasn't remotely on the table at that point.

At what point are you going to respond to the question I asked about scum not voting beach event.
I totally love you dancing past that question.

I answered the question a long time ago. Once again you're back to making shit up and hoping people won't take a look for themselves. And the weirdest thing is that you dropped your scum read on us, but you keep making posts like this.

In any case, I answered the question ages ago and I have no interested in replacing Titus as your "let's shit all over the thread" dance partner. Find someone else.

~Drixx

Where did you respond
Last I check all you mentioned was dgb.
If I have to go through your iso with this and find nothing and I am alive day 4 I'm lynching your fence sitting ass

[farside22]

@farside: how many points do you have now?

-Cerb

Same.

Vote: snarky

[farside22]

She's unlynchable though if honest. We set her to l minus 1, our votes wipe, we know Farside isn't groupscum. If they don't she is.

It's only a 1 shot.

Honestly if you have this bug up your ass about me then vote me.
I called our sky and you all but ignore it.

[farside22]

I set off the Steven event last night

I had zero idea what it did,,,, I thought maybe an alliance or something but nope

I got a message that Snarky had the most votes, I was not told how many votes he got however. I had a choice to lynch him or not lynch him. Town would go down -6 if I did not lynch and - 3 stress if I did lynch. This had zero effect on my choice, I looked at the vote counts and decided Snarky was likely town. He voted SC and than DGB.....The only time he didn't vote scum was on the Far lynch, This makes me think he was town. If he scum than he bussed by SC and DGb. Possible but not likely in my opinion. Also the interaction between him and DGB seem like town verses scum

I think I am kinda outed now

Also I will confirm I did get a hunk of metal.

You forget that skybird called snarky scum, but never voted him when the wagon got going.

[farside22]

I freely admit to voting snarky, kraska said she voted him to me.

[farside22]

Taking town to -4 is so pro scum. It cannot come from town. Literally

Meh, he didn't have to claim.
I'm more then peeved about it, simply if he's scum maybe Titus would stop tunneling me.

[farside22]

I could not use my ability until plus 3 stress so I had zero way of letting anyone know,,,,,,,,,


MM
didn want to give scum 1 easy lynch. I can see your point.


Titus
Unless Vasoon is lying to me than he got the most votes.

I did not vote...I did not know who to vote for.... I was thinking Shiro but I had a gut town read on him at the time

A lynch that is struggling to happen.

Yeah totally see that.

Sorry but that dude is scum.

[farside22]

I'd not mind testing it by lynching TWIE.

We'd test Farside by lynching Farside. If Farside is scum, the game is broken almost.

I'm not scum.

Talk about not analysis flips of the dead.

Hypocrite

[farside22]

I'd not mind testing it by lynching TWIE.

We'd test Farside by lynching Farside. If Farside is scum, the game is broken almost.

I'm not scum.

Talk about not analysis flips of the dead.

Hypocrite

You are making it hard to verify that because you're annoying me with garbage posts.

What do you think of RR?

Your the one still acting like I'm scum despite fire, math both calling me scum and the bs with Skybird.
Your banking on 7 scum which you don't know, so maybe you should learn to move on and stfu

[farside22]

Scum=town.
Rr by the way is a leaning scum.
He never responded to my question and seems more interested in 3rd party talk then scum hunting

[farside22]

Craeture but you are not me. We think differently /.


Far
so you think snarky was bussing SC and DGB.......bc even on the math lynch Snarky was voting DGB,
I took it as a half insult more than a scum read

DGB was a traitor.
Her actions this game were easy to vote for, just look at the quick wagon.

[farside22]

I'd not mind testing it by lynching TWIE.

We'd test Farside by lynching Farside. If Farside is scum, the game is broken almost.

I'm not scum.

Talk about not analysis flips of the dead.

Hypocrite

You are making it hard to verify that because you're annoying me with garbage posts.

What do you think of RR?

Your the one still acting like I'm scum despite fire, math both calling me scum and the bs with Skybird.
Your banking on 7 scum which you don't know, so maybe you should learn to move on and stfu

Holy misrep.

You can be scum with 6 scum if DGB was in communication with scum.

What do you think of RR?

Already responded.

Traitor dgb voted off wagon
Sky claimed to vote mastin.

You did do the math on this right?

Did you even read dgb role alignment?
Oh wait you think mystery communication with scum.


Tell me when you start looking at scum interaction the second guessing and we'll chat then.

[farside22]

Craeture but you are not me. We think differently /.


Far
so you think snarky was bussing SC and DGB.......bc even on the math lynch Snarky was voting DGB,
I took it as a half insult more than a scum read

DGB was a traitor.
Her actions this game were easy to vote for, just look at the quick wagon.

Who was scum on it?

I'm voting for one of them.
Moi would be the second.
Just read his post toward skybird for that.

[farside22]

actually no one was even looking at DGB until Nc brought up her points, Honestly I think the Snarky wagon was a counter wagon to DGB, I guess we could of had to scum wagons but I highly doubt it,
Maybe I am just being stupid and head strong but I don't see Snarky as scum

RR could be scum

Nah, many others were scum reading her day 2, remember the math wagon?

What is the case on twie?

Hypothetical bs.

[farside22]

Actually DGB was a counter to Snarky,,,,,,,,,, I stand corrected

I was a counter to snarky, thanks.

[farside22]

And again dgb was a traitor, either you think scum knew who it was or when day 1 happened with kling/dgb that scum took the discussion serious and still pushed for her lynch.

And remember Titus wanted math lynched over dgb, so take all that will a grain of salt

[farside22]

So we have 3 scum flips and you want to lynch based in hypothetical be. Okay we might as well hand the game to scum ffs.
Let's lynch obscum tfl .

The discussion is about dgb being in a pt with twie and communication that way to scum team.
That's why I say hypothetically bs.
If I lynch twie it's basically just a lurker lynch and a player that does nothing for this game.

[farside22]

what I don't get is if so many people thinks FS is dangerous why did she not get the most votes...
I am not saying she is scum but I find this odd

I'm not scum I'm a watermelon

Some players actually paid attention to those that flipped scum.
So far I was accused of being jasper, dgb role, and scum because cakez wagon, then you have to view skybird 180 for shit reasons.
Anyone scum reading me after is either dumb or scum at this point.

[farside22]

Anyways I think claiming who voted snarky might provide info.

[farside22]

"You get this next act from their day job, delivering pizza! But tonight, they're delivering jokes!
...That was a joke!"

-Mr. Smiley,

Sadie's Song

VOTECOUNT 3.05

Farside22 (9):

Titus, SnarkySnowman, MagnaofIllusion, TheWayItEnds, grapes, DrippingGoofball, Skybird, Yume, Xkfyu

DrippingGoofball (6):

Shiro, Thefuzzylogic99, Not Chara, McMenno, Creature, Farside22

Shadow_Step (2):

Kraskaeaque, Firebringer

Creature (1):

Almost50

Xkfyu (1):

Shadow_Step

Not Voting (3):

Reasonably Rational, mastin2, randomidget

With 22 Alive, it takes 12 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-10-13 05:20:00)

The Current Stress is 0:

Farside22 is V/LA until Friday, 10/07/2016.

Huh I thought it was snarky but here you see the votes with me and then dgb with the first lynch.
Snarky pushed my lynch more then dgb and scum sky was on my wagon as well, when she was scum reading snarky.
Someone tell me why that makes sense.

[farside22]

Plus, Jasper's role pm suggests it is highly likely there is at least 1 3p scum.

I was thinking rr for that one.
Like I said too much 3p stuff and lack of explaination.

[farside22]

Plus, Jasper's role pm suggests it is highly likely there is at least 1 3p scum.

I was thinking rr for that one.
Like I said too much 3p stuff and lack of explaination.

No. I meant one 3p crystal gem scum. Rr is not a crystal gem.

Ahhh I only could read so much of it, did you on the phone, those images the mod has for flips can't see see like the last 2 words at the end.

I'd say moi.
I believe yume said he was part of them??

[farside22]

Plus, Jasper's role pm suggests it is highly likely there is at least 1 3p scum.

I was thinking rr for that one.
Like I said too much 3p stuff and lack of explaination.

No. I meant one 3p crystal gem scum. Rr is not a crystal gem.

Okay I read it in full and I don't see how you came to this conclusion.

[farside22]

Sorry, I had Skybird and Jasper confused, but this in in Skybird's pm

If no other 'Gem' characters exist outside of the scum faction, you gain control of a unique 'Pearl' account.
I will send the details of this account to you if this is ever the case.
This unique Pearl account will show up in the list of living players and on vote counts.
You can submit votes with this Pearl account--both you and this Pearl account can never be the only voting players on a lynch.
You can not post from this Pearl account otherwise.
This Pearl account may be voted for and affected by Climax actions.
This Pearl account can not form alliances.
Each Climax Phase, you may have this Pearl slot perform one of the following actions:
-This slot may protect any target player from being killed--any kills targeting the protected player will be redirected to the Pearl slot. This may not be used on consecutive Climax Phases.
-This slot may target any player to cause their submitted action to fail. This may not be used on consecutive Climax Phases.

This may sound ignorant but isn't pearl the one that was posting day 2?
If so I thought A50 said he had access to that account.
??

[farside22]

that was peridot

Thanks.

[farside22]

so she hasn't had any impact on beachapalooza which was on d3 when alliance chats weren't open yet

Yes they were.
Dgb was allied with twie if I remember correctly??

[farside22]

I didn't see either TWIE or you talk about an alliance at any point. How did that happen?

I don't know, someone made a list of allies, and it was suggested that I ally with TWIE, I just followed the directive.

Yeah here was the mention but I'm a bit surprised it happened

[farside22]

Actually, who is currently in an alliance with twie?

[farside22]

Take out SS put in Farside?

For fuck's sakes.
Drop the fucking farside scumread already.

She's not fucking scum.

Before I just had really strong feelings about it, and not seeing scum motive from her.

Now there's objective, hard fucking proof, of it.

Skybird's farside interactions are not scum-scum.
Furthermore, and far more importantly, farside's Skybird interactions are not scum-scum.

Plus, if you disagree with me about DGB being basically a nonentity in VCA considerations, if you consider DGB to be a pro-scum name (I do not), then scum were defending DGB by going after farside: Skybird did, and DGB did, and basically all the other scumspects did.

I don't have the time to deal with this shit right now.

But drop that damned read already.
How many times will you twist logic to its extremes and point out theoretical possibilities in order to justify her maybe being scum? Because with every passing piece of evidence we get, the scenario required for her to be scum becomes increasingly contrived and convoluted.

Thank you. I was starting to feel it was just me.

[farside22]

I reread the pt between sky and myself.
I'm thinking based on what she said xfyul is town and shiro maybe town. Idk as much about that, but she never said anything about snarky till day 3.

[farside22]

I reread the pt between sky and myself.
I'm thinking based on what she said xfyul is town and shiro maybe town. Idk as much about that, but she never said anything about snarky till day 3.

Farside, suppose TWIE is scum. What are your reads?

Who are you going to tunnel when I flip town?
Serious question because everytime you get a response you put far scum equal player town based on my response and barely consider the fact I'm town.

Based on the iso from skybird do you think twie is scum?
What about cakez iso?

Twie is at best a lurker.
I notice in the iso he kept calling cakez scum but never voted the guy.
He has no interaction to go off of so my read on snarky and moi would be unchanged.

[farside22]

Mastin2:

Allied with Creature. No Action. Had no Ally.

Okay, so the no action is my fault since I didn't know I could say that, but this is interesting.
I said that I had no ally and that I submitted McMenno.

Also also, the good news is: I got a guilty with my investigation.
The bad news is: I think in spite of the result, TheWayItEnds is town anyway and just has a killing action meaning I (probably) wasted my role.

So, you're telling us TWIE has an ability that allows him to kill, and yet you still think him to be town?? With all the lack of kills that's been going on so far?

To me: ANYONE who has the ability to kill is a suspect. I firmly believe the scum had to forgo their night kills to trigger the Cluster.

VOTE: TWIE

That's until I know WHY he is town, and then -if convinced- I'll switch to Creature, again until I'm given reason to believe the claims he's Town aligned.

If both arguments are convincing enough, I will move on to lynch Shadow_Step.

Explain please.

I was specifically looking for which actions were mod corrected but there's no NK submission.

We were all wondering why N1 ended with no scum kills. N2 also didn't if I recall right (my brain is malfunctioning today and I'm damn too lazy to check back). I had this theory about the Cluster (which may kill "several" people) being their "mass-kill" alternative to individual NKs. In my theory, if they wanted to activate the Cluster they had to forgo their usual night kills (I believe it to be a balancing thing from Varsoon).

So, scum had the ability to kill each night but chose not to in order for the Cluster to work, and I firmly believe in that theory of mine.

What evidence supports it?

Nothing solid. It's circumstantial evidence (lack of NKs), but it's good enough. If The town had a killing role in TWIE, why the heck is farside still alive today? I mean, I'm NOT suggesting she should be vigged at this time, but at some point in the past it was a plausible move.

OK, not farside. Why wasn't DGB who had already claimed a traitor and her flip would've helped with the read on KC. Why wasn't DGB vigged? There are others who -at one point or another- would've been plausible vig targets, and none of them was shot.

The lack of NKs means either scum are forgoing their night action OR town with protection has been shot at, both of which spell TWIE is SCUM.

Good points.
Although action would fail on me, he said eventual snarky needs to be taken care of, but not killing snarky?
Lots of talk from him and no vote too.

VOTE: twie

I'm good with this.

[farside22]

There's a guilty on TWIE. TWIE hasn't contributed.

Why can't you just answer the question asked? I spent a lot of time reevaluating your slot given Skybird's flip.

Suppose TWIE is scum, what are your reads?

I responded to that, if you read the full post.

[farside22]

Oh and Kraska should totally trigger the stress change at night if possible.

Also I thought it would be better soon rather then later. Putting it back to the middle is better for day.
Unless you think putting player at a lower threshold is a good thing?

[farside22]

I wanted the stress to go to at least +3

I'm hoping for +1.

[farside22]

Correct. Any objections to me with Farside?

Dear God why?

[farside22]

On an unrelated note the chat with kraska feels stale.
Not sure why.
Maybe it's the someone asking my opinion and throwing out weird claims that make me go a little eh.

[farside22]

Correct. Any objections to me with Farside?

Dear God why?

It'll appease RR and make the optimal move not lynching you barring a guilty.

You in?

Okay.

Twie: why didn't you say you never allied with dgb?

[farside22]

I didn't see either TWIE or you talk about an alliance at any point. How did that happen?

I don't know, someone made a list of allies, and it was suggested that I ally with TWIE, I just followed the directive.

This was all dgb stated about the alliance being made.

[farside22]

because varsoon told me all my actions will fail while in this alliance

Creature: can you confirm this?

Kras
You , TWIE and Snarky are in alliance right...double checking and making sure I'm not misunderstanding

Kraska is in an alliance with me.

[farside22]

Hey almost50

ally with me tonight?

Hey Fuzzylogic!

Ally with me please

This is pretty likely A50's town game imo.

Can we go back to how DGB is basically confscum now?

If true about snarky why would he want to align with someone he is town reading.

[farside22]

I'm good with twie.

Vote: snarky

Creature are you going to explain why you took an action.

Also snarky wanted to align with a town read and does a block.
No.
Not just no, hell fuck no.

[farside22]

I think I forgot Snarky could roleblock me at the moment.

Oh rly.

Titus, earth to Titus.
Come in Titus.

Also if your going to pair me with every player you scum read, including math, I'm just going to avoid you for the rest of this game.

[farside22]

Lynch scum today and tomorrow? If the fundamental position your maintaining is wrong, then we wouldn't be lynching scum today and tomorrrow, so the whole plan sorta falls apart.

Oh, A50: the thing I thought I knew about shiro? Totally wrong, so yeah.
-Cerb

If we fail and TWIE is town, Farside is clear.
If we succeed, turn to day 5.

If we lynch scum again, I should absolutely have knowledge of Farside's alignment.

Farside is not clear without us figuring out where DGB could have allied on D2. Things still aren't locked up there, TWIE is *not* the only possible link from the chart I saw.

I mean, I get your position, we've discussed this, but there ARE scenarios in existence that make this work badly for us.

-Cerb

Pedit: do you believe fuzzy is scum? If not, then scum COULD NOT have voted as a collective because THEY DIDNT HAVE PT ACCESS. Only if fuzzy is scum/told scum about planning to use this event could they have organized in advance.

@fuzzy: did you tell anyone in the game at all about this event before you used it?

Yeah the player encouraging this thought process is more likely scum in my book.

Puts rr on permanent scum list.

[farside22]

Lynch scum today and tomorrow? If the fundamental position your maintaining is wrong, then we wouldn't be lynching scum today and tomorrrow, so the whole plan sorta falls apart.

Oh, A50: the thing I thought I knew about shiro? Totally wrong, so yeah.
-Cerb

If we fail and TWIE is town, Farside is clear.
If we succeed, turn to day 5.

If we lynch scum again, I should absolutely have knowledge of Farside's alignment.

Farside is not clear without us figuring out where DGB could have allied on D2. Things still aren't locked up there, TWIE is *not* the only possible link from the chart I saw.

I mean, I get your position, we've discussed this, but there ARE scenarios in existence that make this work badly for us.

-Cerb

Pedit: do you believe fuzzy is scum? If not, then scum COULD NOT have voted as a collective because THEY DIDNT HAVE PT ACCESS. Only if fuzzy is scum/told scum about planning to use this event could they have organized in advance.

@fuzzy: did you tell anyone in the game at all about this event before you used it?

Yeah the player encouraging this thought process is more likely scum in my book.

Puts rr on permanent scum list.

Farside: the only way you're scum is if scum utilized the beach city event votes to allow you to pretend to pit 2 votes on NC. The only way that could happen is if DGB were in communication with the scum team. Titus is suggesting that TWIE is the only possible link, and I'm reminding her that he is not, so there is no clear connection between your alignment and TWIES.

What part of that makes you upset?

-Cerb

Your encouraging a tunnel of Titus and ignoring many factors.

Thanks for playing.

Oh and all this whole still not saying who you think was scum that didn't vote in the beachpaloza.

[farside22]

Here is were the hypothetically shit is getting missed.
When did dgb plan with twie to be in alliance together?

[farside22]

Here is were the hypothetically shit is getting missed.
When did dgb plan with twie to be in alliance together?

DGB forced it.

And how does that = Scum together?

[farside22]

Because currently the desire to lynch twie is based on the hypothetically dgb got info from twie as scum.

Again all hypothetically and the only one agreeing with this idea is rr.

Also and this is final.
I refuse with every fiber of my being to follow this 3 fucking game day tunnel that is down right getting ridiculous.
I've almost reached the point were I almost want to support my own lynch to be done with this day after fucking day bs attitude that only is far is scum and everyone else is wrong.

[farside22]

Here is were the hypothetically shit is getting missed.
When did dgb plan with twie to be in alliance together?

DGB forced it.

And how does that = Scum together?

She wanted to talk to the scumteam to plan.

So even though it states in dgb role pm she doesn't know the scum team your basing this on....?????
Right, nothing.

[farside22]

No my motivation is just to no longer follow Titus since even if twie let's say was town, she would still find a reason to call me scum.
Shes even elaborated some stupid reason to tie me to sky.
the amount of times Titus called me scum even with a flipped scum like skybird and the vCa with my lynch being pushed over confirmed scum dgb just proves she won't stop scum reading me.

[farside22]

no, Mastina you straight up sheep guilties unless given a strong reason to doubt. I did that more than 4 times in a single time, and I was right every single time. The person who objected was Mathblade who was still postulating I was scum despite getting guilties on both teams in multiball. I had to claw and fight for common sense there too due to the sheer amount of noise she made.

If I say no to delay, my method of clearing or confirming Farside doesn't work.

As RR is right, that TWIE and Farside do not necessarily share an alignment.

Read off the play, look at Farside. There's zero town motivation for her not to lynch TWIE. It's a win win, but as scum there's tonnes of motivation to avoid voting TWIE.

Bolding proof that twie flip means nothing.

[farside22]

And with that said.
Mastin I love you, thank you for letting me know im not crazy with this tunnel from Titus, but frankly she won't listen, care and even if I had someone come back with an innocent she would still call me scum and ignore everyone else calling someone else besides me, scum.
I'm very close to replacing out of this game, but I won't because how big it is.
As far as I'm concerned, I'm voting confirmed scum snarky and if enough votes happen I'm hammer voting the shit out of him and not asking if anyone cares.

[farside22]

5x Vote: snarky

[farside22]

I thought he was scum and I was tired of the argument going on.
Anyways. First things first, who targeted me last night and why?
Second who is in an alliance?

[farside22]

ALL PLAYERS MAY STILL CHOOSE TO VOTE FOR A 'NO LYNCH' AND THE EXPOSITION STILL FOLLOWS ALL OTHER NORMAL VOTING RULES.
IF THE EXPOSITION ENDS ON A SCUM LYNCH, THE SCUM TEAM GAINS AN EXTRA KILL FOR THE CLIMAX PHASE.
IF THE EXPOSITION ENDS ON A NON-SCUM LYNCH, THE ENTIRE SCUM TEAM IS REMOVED FROM THE GAME AND UNABLE TO TAKE ACTIONS FOR THE CLIMAX PHASE

This isn't too bad but before I make a suggestion I need to see who can vote and then talk about breaking strategies for this to benefit town for a win.

[farside22]

I thought he was scum and I was tired of the argument going on.
Anyways. First things first, who targeted me last night and why?
Second who is in an alliance?

BS, if you thought he was scum you would know he wouldn't get lynched. Only town was hated.

How do you know I didn't have 5 votes to add?

See that means you believe or paid attention to my claim.

Anyways add 4 and he's scum the argument ends.
You get that somewhere.

He wasn't, I was wrong, we can still win but some scum apparently don't want to organize things first here.

[farside22]

Also, I think everyone who stated they can't vote should place a vote somewhere to prove that's the case, before kraska ends the event.

VOTE: Farside22

And once he does end the event, NOBODY VOTE UNLESS IT'S ON FARSIDE, since we know she can place at least 5 votes, so right now everyone is at l-2.

-Cerb

This doesn't happen unless votes can't be reached.
Don't listen to the player who isn't trying to find scum.


Here is my thought.
If we can get enough votes without getting rid of the event, scum can't do actions or kill, everyone else can.

That means everyone should use there ability and those that can get info about others can clear players that make them confirmed.

[farside22]

Taking a look at the first Steven Universe, there should not have more than 6 scum in total).

Also, I think everyone who stated they can't vote should place a vote somewhere to prove that's the case, before kraska ends the event.

VOTE: Farside22

And once he does end the event, NOBODY VOTE UNLESS IT'S ON FARSIDE, since we know she can place at least 5 votes, so right now everyone is at l-2.

-Cerb

This doesn't happen unless votes can't be reached.
Don't listen to the player who isn't trying to find scum.


Here is my thought.
If we can get enough votes without getting rid of the event, scum can't do actions or kill, everyone else can.

That means everyone should use there ability and those that can get info about others can clear players that make them confirmed.

...

Because scum would have caused an event that would keep them from submitting kills, instead of just making sure they had alliances in place? That, by the say, is shy I want everyone who CLAIMS they can't vote to place a vote, so no alliances arranged between scum and kept secret can exist.

-Cerb

HI, my pt stayed open during the night, so I asked kraska to join me.
I'm town.

Who did you alliance with last night or try to?

[farside22]

I thought he was scum and I was tired of the argument going on.

Actually you used precisely enough votes to kill him if and only if he was town. That implies you knew he was town.

Anyways. First things first, who targeted me last night and why?

Nice attempt to deflect away from your coming reckoning.

Second who is in an alliance?

Looks like just you. Curious that ... the plan in thread was for you and Titus to ally. Titus turns up dead and you just happen to turn up in an alliance ... with a person demanding three other lynches happen before you. With an event going on that makes it so nobody can vote unless they're in an alliance.

totes all just a co-incidence though, right?

~Drixx

1) that's a lie.
2) you realize I'm ascuticle, why is that a deflection?
3) if you believe that scum all planed to be in an alliance how does your theory even hold water?

[farside22]

ascuticle = ascetic

[farside22]

Also, I think everyone who stated they can't vote should place a vote somewhere to prove that's the case, before kraska ends the event.

VOTE: Farside22

And once he does end the event, NOBODY VOTE UNLESS IT'S ON FARSIDE, since we know she can place at least 5 votes, so right now everyone is at l-2.

-Cerb

This doesn't happen unless votes can't be reached.
Don't listen to the player who isn't trying to find scum.


Here is my thought.
If we can get enough votes without getting rid of the event, scum can't do actions or kill, everyone else can.

That means everyone should use there ability and those that can get info about others can clear players that make them confirmed.

Translation:

"If I can just snooker these idiots into letting me live another day, I get to trade for even more town!"

~Drixx

Didn't say that either.

Why are you trying hard to not use this in the best way possible.

Ie: tracker info players who can see if a player performs an action.
If they don't they are confirmed scum with a mislynch today and guess what I'm on the chopping block.
So again why are you trying not to help town win?

[farside22]

I'm almost certain if the day ends in a no lynch, neither effect will take place, because a no lynch is not the same as a non scum lynch.
-Cerb

I verified this in the PT with kraska.
The scum can do actions with a no lynch.

Why on earth I would want to align with someone who was toxic is beyond understanding.
I even stated after I said I would i wasn't going to do it any more.

Also you are being completely nonsensical to the point of looking scummy.
You think kraska is scum and will change the event?
How much sense does that make.
Twie claimed vig and there is no one dead and you barely push him.
You think there is 3 scum, including me, left which makes no sense at all given the beach event.
Calm the fuck down and let's finish the claims here.

[farside22]

Nor town.

I doubt your town, so we have that in common.
Why did you say snarky was town, then vote him the next day?

[farside22]

The way he said he had an action that worked with Greg (Cakez' fakeclaim) made me think that was a fakeclaim.

Why didn't you say that before?

Farside, TWIE hasn't shown up yet. What exactly is there to push him on? I need to know what his response is before I can say anything more.

And his kill or not has no relation to your voting pattern only working on town. You haven't even tried to explain that. I can actually think of a few different explanations, but instead you're just going off on other tangents.

Why did you place exactly enough votes on snarky to lynch him if he was town, but not enough to kynch him if he was scum?

Also, I don't particularly feel kraska is scummy. *shrug*

-Cerb

That's not at all hard to understand.
Scum snarky would have taken one more to lynch.
Again I felt sure he was scum and was trying to prove it to stop the Titus tirade.

Touche in regards to twie
He will probably lurk till votes pile on him again.

Again I feel your going off weird tangents here.
Only scum wanted votes but only me and kraska are known to be in alliance together.
Only I'm scum because some hypothetically crap you made up.

If your town stop spamming the shit of this game, wait for everyone to show up and claim, then we can argue after.

[farside22]

mod: vote count please

[farside22]

mid: does scum get an extra kill with a no lynch

[farside22]

mid: does scum get an extra kill with a no lynch

A No Lynch keeps all of the Event outcomes from happening, as both are contingent on a lynch occurring.

Thanks you for dashing theories from rr.

[farside22]

For lol.

VOTE: creature

[farside22]

Oh and someone explain to me why on earth you would randomly alliance with a player, when you can chat in a pt, make a possible alliance with someone you already are aligned with that day?

[farside22]

The way he said he had an action that worked with Greg (Cakez' fakeclaim) made me think that was a fakeclaim.

Why didn't you say that before?

Farside, TWIE hasn't shown up yet. What exactly is there to push him on? I need to know what his response is before I can say anything more.

And his kill or not has no relation to your voting pattern only working on town. You haven't even tried to explain that. I can actually think of a few different explanations, but instead you're just going off on other tangents.

Why did you place exactly enough votes on snarky to lynch him if he was town, but not enough to kynch him if he was scum?

Also, I don't particularly feel kraska is scummy. *shrug*

-Cerb

That's not at all hard to understand.
Scum snarky would have taken one more to lynch.
Again I felt sure he was scum and was trying to prove it to stop the Titus tirade.

Touche in regards to twie
He will probably lurk till votes pile on him again.

Again I feel your going off weird tangents here.
Only scum wanted votes but only me and kraska are known to be in alliance together.
Only I'm scum because some hypothetically crap you made up.

If your town stop spamming the shit of this game, wait for everyone to show up and claim, then we can argue after.

So...you admit you were deliberately aiming for 8 votes?

And expected snarky to be at l-1 after that.

And just didn't care if he was town and you ended the day?

I actually feel it's more likely scum wanted us to no lynch today, buying them an extra NK, and then to have you force a mislynch on someone tomorrow, allowing yet another nk, so town would be down 3 more slots before anyone had a chance to lynch you.

Maybe even 5 slots depending on how to our vote power functions and is limited.

Everyone has shown up except mastin and twie I think. Mastin usually posts in thr evening/early morning, and is also vla on weekends, and twie is twie and barely around ever.

-Cerb

Tell me how I misrepped the bold

[farside22]

mid: does scum get an extra kill with a no lynch

A No Lynch keeps all of the Event outcomes from happening, as both are contingent on a lynch occurring.

Thanks you for dashing theories from rr.

I did not say a no lynch would give the scum team an extra kill. I actually CLEARLY said I believed a no lynch would result in none of the effects happening.

You clearly misunderstood me. When I said the plan was to force a no lynch todsy, and then did extra scum kill, I did not mean there could be TWO scum kills, but thst by forcing a no lynch versus normal game progression the scum team would come ahead one extra kill.

-Cerb

I'm thinking the opposite.

I think scum were more concerned with a town lynch and being unable to perform actions.

Grapes I get why that didn't happen.
Creature, who were you with day 5 as far as an alliance goes?

[farside22]

Farside, so right now it seems you and kraska can probably force a lynch through the event if you wanted to.

Who would you lynch?

-Cerb

Not sure why you think that.

Why didn't you all ignore with Shiro for today instead of submitting a range domain name?

[farside22]

If scum believed today was likely to end in a town lynch, why would they activate this event?

-Cerb

Why would they do it with a no lynch?

Maybe they had to, don't know that.

[farside22]

Oh wait you think it helps scum.
Never mind.

[farside22]

mid: does scum get an extra kill with a no lynch

A No Lynch keeps all of the Event outcomes from happening, as both are contingent on a lynch occurring.

Thanks you for dashing theories from rr.

I did not say a no lynch would give the scum team an extra kill. I actually CLEARLY said I believed a no lynch would result in none of the effects happening.

You clearly misunderstood me. When I said the plan was to force a no lynch todsy, and then did extra scum kill,

I did not mean there could be TWO scum kills, but thst by forcing a no lynch versus normal game progression the scum team would come ahead one extra kill.

-Cerb

The issue I have with this is that I'd be lynch as town, scum gwt to kill a player and how is that better.

Of course you have to believe I'm town to get my issue.

[farside22]

Generally, when a vote is placed all previous votes are removed.

This becomes relevant if, and only if, farside was aware of this fact.

Demonstrate knowledge that farside would be aware her previous vote would be removed, and you have a case.
Fail to demonstrate that farside had knowledge, and you have something that is null.
And, public knowledge and/or past V games don't count for this. Players can and will miss facts.

Pull quotes from farside's iso which show she knows her voting power would remove her previous vote, and you'll have me interested.
Otherwise, I'll just go with the lynch TWIE first plan which, yknow. Is what I promised.

Keep reading Mastin. That's what I was tryng to figure out, and later she states she was planning for 8 votes.

-Cerb

You said it did before I responded to the question.
Just saying.

I'm still thinking.


Mastin: I'm sure I'll be lynched but do you think getting rid of the event helps?

[farside22]

Fyi Mastin (and Shiro will corroborate) Titus set out an action plan, and the first point was lynching Farside, not TWIE. Sorting TWIE (not lynching him) was actually the fifth or sixth item.

Just something you might want to know since you're concerned about this promise.

-Cerb

Well Titus is wrong about me so her plan is baf.
Don't be Titus 2.0 unless your scum.

[farside22]

Mastin: I'm sure I'll be lynched but do you think getting rid of the event helps?

The action of getting rid of the event neither harms nor helps at this moment.
If everyone has posted a vote and you/kraska are literally the only ones who can vote, there's something really important to be gained from that.
Further thoughts should wait until everyone has cast a vote.

And I mean, not claimed they can't vote.
Everyone has ACTUALLY cast a vote for proof.

Shadow and twie haven't voted.

[farside22]

Player that could have an alliance today but don't rr and shiro.
Shadow who were you in an alliance with yesterday?
Moi who were you in an alliance with yesterday?

[farside22]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY FARFAR

Thanks you!

[farside22]

Player that could have an alliance today but don't rr and shiro.
Shadow who were you in an alliance with yesterday?
Moi who were you in an alliance with yesterday?

Xk, we were going to ally again today.

Thanks.

[farside22]

Player that could have an alliance today but don't rr and shiro.

Getting tired of your manipulative bullshit. You keep trying to throw shade on us because you're caught and cornered like a rat and you know it.

We had a really good reason to ally differently today and we actually told the person we were trying to ally and it was right here in the thread.

If you want to talk about alliances ... let's start with you agreeing to ally Titus so that you two could stop poisoning the thread (you were both doing it, and you are STILL doing it) and get yourselves in check, but somehow you mysteriously knew that you needed to ally elsewhere during the night.

@Kraska - Be honest please. When did Farside suggest that you two ally instead of her previous arrangement and whatever you would have done? Was it

AFTER

Varsoon posted the flip and the stress moved, but there was the note there saying that the stress change wouldn't affect anything submitted in the night? Basically what I'm asking is ... did Farside basically do an "OMG, we can kill Titus!" and then ask you to ally? Because ... that's what it looks like from the outside, and you're literally helping her get away with it.

@Farside - No interruptions please. We would like to see what Kraska will say about when this all went down, because we asked you earlier and you already lied about it. You claim that you decided before yesterday ended that you weren't going to ally Titus, AND TOLD HER SO, when you did no such thing. Even if we take your earlier statement as truth, you basically said "I deceived the only actual conftown in the game who I knew had claimed to be BP while in an alliance and placed her in a situation where she would have no alliance." - I mean ... I get that your goose is totally cooked when Kraska checks the time stamps and confirms that you changed your mind about allying only AFTER you realized your team could kill Titus ... but what you said before wasn't exactly much less damning. (P.S. - Post #8845 you agreed to ally Titus, so yeah).

---

And the rest of you... I already pointed out that the gems were essentially a very large masonry. Now look they've admitted to being exactly a masonry. Still believe the scum team is small and low powered like the flips we've seen or do you think MAYBE ... JUST MAYBE ... a high powered role like lynchproof, alliance destroyer, nearly unliminted multivoter might be scum? And oh look ... the player with that role has taken literally the scummiest actions in the entire game! At this point, the game will be fucking over before people stop with absurd shit like "Scum wouldn't trade 1 for 4" or whatever the hell it is if Farside manages to get out of today.

It's not a fucking policy lynch. It's so obviously scum that it's like a gigantic phallus slapping the game in the face at this point. AND we now know that there was a group of individual 3P called "the leftovers" and one of them got to join with the gems after beach-a-palooza. It therefore makes sense that Farside could have done the whole vote for Not Chara thing, knowing that her vote would count full, then use it to try and push the idea that she and Not Chara were both conftown (which she did!!!) and then she could have joined the scum team. It fits ... and frankly it fills in what looks like a gigantic power void between scum and town+gems (assuming the gems are essentially a town friendly masonry).

~Drixx

P.S. - Because this is just a game and because I'm not actually an asshole, please accept my fondest and best birthday wishes Farside. May you see many more in good health and good company, and may you never grow tired of anticipating the next. I hope this one is a great one for you.

I already explained why I didnt.

Who did you say you were going to align with?

You know I'm town and your button hurt I'm calling you out as scum.

I mean the things that make no sense from you is that you have stated you give points to players that are going for 3p, no one else claimed anything like I did, so why do you think I'm lying?
Another thing is last SU, you flavor game the shit out of that game and I see nothing like that thus game.
Finally, you come in acting like only scum would want to vote, no one else can vote but me and kraska and now you have this scum want a nk.
You can't have both, frankly I'm very tired of you trying to think you should be allowed both.

See here is my issue, scum triggered this event, lynching a town member hurts them more, they can't do actions and town could POE that shit, you say nothing about that. You think I'm scum, but you want to vote me knowing the event, that gives scum 2 nk.
Now tell me why anything i've said should even read town.

Your other issue with this is kraska is going to end this event, I'm going to flip town and you will have this post following you into players heads.

So, my response tldr at the end.

Suck it scum bag.

[farside22]

So your keeping everything hidden then.

Shiro: are you going to confirm rr story there? If so you brought up how Kevin makes sense, why did rr say he didn't agree?
Random: did you know rr was going to align with you?

[farside22]

I think I forgot Snarky could roleblock me at the moment.

Oh rly.

Titus, earth to Titus.
Come in Titus.

Also if your going to pair me with every player you scum read, including math, I'm just going to avoid you for the rest of this game.

Rr: you can call me a lie all you want but I said this in thread.
If your going to continue to make shit up I'm going to keep showing that your making shit up.

[farside22]

Snarky and twie lynches, if they flip town, both clear another slot (fuzzy in snarkys case, farside in TWIE's case), and implicate another slot if they flip scum...except TWIE's clear if town is actually weaker than snarkys clear on fuzzy. That, plus the recent information about twie makes it seem a lot more valuable to lynch snarky over TWIE.

-Cerb

Pedit. Well. If that was real. Umm.

Random, ally tonight?

Oh look ... here's us posting after you threw out your votes and unilaterally ended the day without letting people set up alliances and (more importantly) without letting the stress get adjusted. And the last thing there... that's us proposing alliance with Random.

FIVE minutes elapsed between your votes and the lynch post and threadlock. This implies you ensured Varsoon was around so that nobody could change stress or firm anything up before the thread lock. It was a deliberate and completely over the top scummy move on your part.

The only explanations that make any sense are:

1.) You're trying to look so over the top scummy that people will assume that you can't be scum (which is a dumb thing to think, but I've seen scum do it and get away with it)

2.) You have accepted that you're going down and you're now just getting as much in trade for your death as you can.

And yes: we are

specifically

keeping things hidden from scum. It will stay that way, no matter how much you try and make us look bad. Others have the info, so there's built in redundency. We don't have any need to share it here. There's only downside in doing so.

~Drixx

You seem to forget I could have hammer voted snarky day 3 and didn't, but that gets missed on purpose I'm sure.

[farside22]

@ far
Iam not so mad you power hammer Snaky asit could just of been a mistake ....and you thought you were killing scum. What makes you super anti town was you did it and told no one you were going to do it. You gave people zero chance to form alliances and get ready for the climax phase. Part of me wants to policy lynch you so bad at this point

At Kras
Shiro is town in my opinion.....TWIE and Shadow Step could be scum,

I did say something that day about hammering.
Frankly I tried that day 4, and then the votes went of snarky.
I just thought scum was protecting him at that point and I wasn't going to let that happen again.

[farside22]

Farside needs to go at this point tbh. They are 100% manipulating/lying

That's pretty much untrue.

I'm waiting on the mod, but here is a question to rr.
Who besides me would you say is scum.
So far you have only stated me and twie based of hypothetically crap.
So when I flip town does that mean twie is town, if so why?

[farside22]

I think I forgot Snarky could roleblock me at the moment.

Oh rly.

Titus, earth to Titus.
Come in Titus.

Also if your going to pair me with every player you scum read, including math, I'm just going to avoid you for the rest of this game.

Rr: you can call me a lie all you want but I said this in thread.
If your going to continue to make shit up I'm going to keep showing that your making shit up.

Good luck showing us making things up. Protip for dealing with us: we don't make things up. We spend a bit too much of our time calling people out on their bullshit to create any of our own.

Now to address your assertion that you stated you weren't going to ally with Titus: you never did. The closest you came was a single post where you said if Titus kept doing something, you were just going to avoid her and the rest of the game. In spite of that statement though, you NEVER said "no, I am not allying with you tomorrow Titus", and you let her go into the night believing she had an alliance arranged with you. If she HADN'T she would have arranged an alliance with Shiro. That fact alone makes it obvious that whatever it was you said, it was NOT that you were not going to ally with her as previously agreed.

Snarky and twie lynches, if they flip town, both clear another slot (fuzzy in snarkys case, farside in TWIE's case), and implicate another slot if they flip scum...except TWIE's clear if town is actually weaker than snarkys clear on fuzzy. That, plus the recent information about twie makes it seem a lot more valuable to lynch snarky over TWIE.

-Cerb

Pedit. Well. If that was real. Umm.

Random, ally tonight?

Oh look ... here's us posting after you threw out your votes and unilaterally ended the day without letting people set up alliances and (more importantly) without letting the stress get adjusted. And the last thing there... that's us proposing alliance with Random.

FIVE minutes elapsed between your votes and the lynch post and threadlock. This implies you ensured Varsoon was around so that nobody could change stress or firm anything up before the thread lock. It was a deliberate and completely over the top scummy move on your part.

The only explanations that make any sense are:

1.) You're trying to look so over the top scummy that people will assume that you can't be scum (which is a dumb thing to think, but I've seen scum do it and get away with it)

2.) You have accepted that you're going down and you're now just getting as much in trade for your death as you can.

And yes: we are

specifically

keeping things hidden from scum. It will stay that way, no matter how much you try and make us look bad. Others have the info, so there's built in redundency. We don't have any need to share it here. There's only downside in doing so.

~Drixx

You seem to forget I could have hammer voted snarky day 3 and didn't, but that gets missed on purpose I'm sure.

It's irrelevant, not missed. You had just demonstrated a lynchproof trait, and DGB was a lost cause. There was no benefit to going to such lengths to save her slot.

-Cerb

Pedit: what info are you talking about fuzzy?

This is a load of crap if I ever read one.

[farside22]

Player that could have an alliance today but don't rr and shiro.

Getting tired of your manipulative bullshit. You keep trying to throw shade on us because you're caught and cornered like a rat and you know it.

We had a really good reason to ally differently today and we actually told the person we were trying to ally and it was right here in the thread.

If you want to talk about alliances ... let's start with you agreeing to ally Titus so that you two could stop poisoning the thread (you were both doing it, and you are STILL doing it) and get yourselves in check, but somehow you mysteriously knew that you needed to ally elsewhere during the night.

@Kraska - Be honest please. When did Farside suggest that you two ally instead of her previous arrangement and whatever you would have done? Was it

AFTER

Varsoon posted the flip and the stress moved, but there was the note there saying that the stress change wouldn't affect anything submitted in the night? Basically what I'm asking is ... did Farside basically do an "OMG, we can kill Titus!" and then ask you to ally? Because ... that's what it looks like from the outside, and you're literally helping her get away with it.

@Farside - No interruptions please. We would like to see what Kraska will say about when this all went down, because we asked you earlier and you already lied about it. You claim that you decided before yesterday ended that you weren't going to ally Titus, AND TOLD HER SO, when you did no such thing. Even if we take your earlier statement as truth, you basically said "I deceived the only actual conftown in the game who I knew had claimed to be BP while in an alliance and placed her in a situation where she would have no alliance." - I mean ... I get that your goose is totally cooked when Kraska checks the time stamps and confirms that you changed your mind about allying only AFTER you realized your team could kill Titus ... but what you said before wasn't exactly much less damning. (P.S. - Post #8845 you agreed to ally Titus, so yeah).

---

And the rest of you... I already pointed out that the gems were essentially a very large masonry. Now look they've admitted to being exactly a masonry. Still believe the scum team is small and low powered like the flips we've seen or do you think MAYBE ... JUST MAYBE ... a high powered role like lynchproof, alliance destroyer, nearly unliminted multivoter might be scum? And oh look ... the player with that role has taken literally the scummiest actions in the entire game! At this point, the game will be fucking over before people stop with absurd shit like "Scum wouldn't trade 1 for 4" or whatever the hell it is if Farside manages to get out of today.

It's not a fucking policy lynch. It's so obviously scum that it's like a gigantic phallus slapping the game in the face at this point. AND we now know that there was a group of individual 3P called "the leftovers" and one of them got to join with the gems after beach-a-palooza. It therefore makes sense that Farside could have done the whole vote for Not Chara thing, knowing that her vote would count full, then use it to try and push the idea that she and Not Chara were both conftown (which she did!!!) and then she could have joined the scum team. It fits ... and frankly it fills in what looks like a gigantic power void between scum and town+gems (assuming the gems are essentially a town friendly masonry).

~Drixx

P.S. - Because this is just a game and because I'm not actually an asshole, please accept my fondest and best birthday wishes Farside. May you see many more in good health and good company, and may you never grow tired of anticipating the next. I hope this one is a great one for you.

Sorry I missed the end of this.
Thanks for the birthday wishes.

@Kraska - Be honest please. When did Farside suggest that you two ally instead of her previous arrangement and whatever you would have done? Was it AFTER Varsoon posted the flip and the stress moved, but there was the note there saying that the stress change wouldn't affect anything submitted in the night? Basically what I'm asking is ... did Farside basically do an "OMG, we can kill Titus!" and then ask you to ally? Because ... that's what it looks like from the outside, and you're literally helping her get away with it.

after the lynch happened but before varsoon made snarky's flip public
she said something about how there were 4 votes added instead of 5 or idk...and that that means snarky is town(@far can you clarify what you meant with this? sorry im just not really sure how you figured from the way your vote worked that snarky is town)
and then asked me to ally again

I said my vote added 4 to the vote.
I don't know why that's confusing to you.
Can you explain better why that confuses you?

[farside22]

Just one of those things that keeps bugging me is how fake kraska I don't get it comments come across in this game.
Her activity in the PT is pretty non-exsistant and I get the impression that she's scum.

I'd put creature, kraska, rr as my top 3 scum suspects with twie in there.
Rr pushing this theory without pushing twie comes off horribly scummy.
Not sure what mastin sees with creature, nothing town about his post or his scum reads. I'd say he is more higher on my scum reads.
I feel I'm wrong about someone but a few things don't make sense to call certain players scum.

[farside22]

I said my vote added 4 to the vote.
I don't know why that's confusing to you.
Can you explain better why that confuses you?

im saying how did you figure out snarky is town before varsoon made the flip public?

The opening page that explains what happens when we are at -4 and that being the general discussion day 4 as well.

[farside22]

I'm sorry :') somehow missed the word town

And I checked with the mod, I can't vote enough to make a lynch happen, as I said many moons ago the ability can only be no more the half the vote count.

I'm think kraska should end this event, players can lynch me, and one I flip town rr needs to explain why he didn't believe my claim.
Again he stated day 2 to give points to 3p players, I'm the only person to claim needing points but he calls me nothing more then a liar.
He also kept the Titus tunnel going on with the hypo theory that never got proven and if you read day 4 he still left an opening for twie flip either way.
Creature is for sure not town. He called snarky town day 3 and voted for him day 4 for no reason stated.
My gut says twie isn't scum but I'm not married to that read. I'd say focus on the first 2 scum reads before letting the rabbit hole bs from rr lead this game.

[farside22]

I'm sorry :') somehow missed the word town

And I checked with the mod, I can't vote enough to make a lynch happen, as I said many moons ago the ability can only be no more the half the vote count.

I'm think kraska should end this event, players can lynch me, and one I flip town rr needs to explain why he didn't believe my claim.
Again he stated day 2 to give points to 3p players, I'm the only person to claim needing points but he calls me nothing more then a liar.
He also kept the Titus tunnel going on with the hypo theory that never got proven and if you read day 4 he still left an opening for twie flip either way.
Creature is for sure not town. He called snarky town day 3 and voted for him day 4 for no reason stated.
My gut says twie isn't scum but I'm not married to that read. I'd say focus on the first 2 scum reads before letting the rabbit hole bs from rr lead this game.

Holy shit.

I just fucking understood what you're talking about. You thought I claimed my role allowed me to give points to someone.

I did not claim that. I have no idea what post you're referring to, but I'm almost positive we were talking about philosophically, how we approach third partis and give them the benefit of the doubt/don't subscribe to the site meta of auto lynching third parties.

Lmao. Every time you said that, I thought you were pissed because we said we're not as quick to lynch third parties as most but we were still suspicious of you in spite of that, when the whole time you actually meant believed we had mechanical reason to believe your claim and couldn't understand why we didn't(which, btw, is untrue, I don't believe either of us ever said we didn't believe your claim(at least certainly not after you displayed your lynchproof)).

-Cerb

Fair enough. The xkfyu point can't be properly evaluated without knowing what he claimed to her and what steven has told her about it.

And I was telling you all yesterday that third parties are a thing here. I actually have evidence of at least 2 third party factions in this game, though only one has a pt/is informed at all.

So, were you playing towards a town win con, with the third party thing as an out just in case, or were you playing for the 3p win con the whole time? Is that why you were saying you weren't going to be using your vote power, so you wouldn't use up your points and put yourself further away from your alternative win condition?

@Yume: I said two things about peridot. Not sure which one you're saying is correct, but I did receive separate confirmation about my mechanical suspicions regarding peridot, whic simultaneously disproved my identity theory.

-Cerb

1.) I screwed up my shoulder pretty bad over this past weekend and it's just now bearable to be at the computer for more than a few minutes. I've got like 35 pages to catch up on, but I've got a couple things to say that are super important, after talking with Cerb for the last couple hours.

Please do not end the day until Cerb and I finish checking and making sure what we've concluded is correct. We need to share it with the game today. Please just bear with us. Cerb is tied up for a few hours and we want to be completely sure before we make the post.

2.) We are going to pop our event tonight, barring some change in stress that precludes it, so I'm not sure if we should ally or not. Whomever we ally with can't get the synergy and add 3 points towards the unknown goal as we will not be forgoing the use of our event. We plan to submit Randomidget, but

Random: you should not submit us if you think you can synergize elsewhere

. We would prefer to ally because we have some things we'd rather not say in the main thread but want to leave to someone in case we get killed.

We would appreciate if Mastin and Titus and Farside (specifically) would think about the ally thing and whether it's worth the potential loss of points for us to ally.

~Drixx

P.S. - Yume please check PT. Mastin please look for Yume to be relaying you some info. -- I'll be catching up for awhile while Cerb is busy and I've got something to do in about 3 hours, so it will be pretty late East Coast time before we get our post up.

Please just trust that it's worth waiting. It's important.

[farside22]

FTR, farside is NOT scum, but -at this point- I'm fine lynching her right away and -if I knew a way- force her loss promptly. *Fuming in anger*

I'd also lynch Creature for the same friggin' reason, albeit him being less dense, but clearly not reading!!

Scum are in TWIE/Step_Shadow/kraskaesque. kraska's 9297 is a change of tone in preparation to finally let a mislynch occur on farside. (whose play -AGAIN- is EXTREMELY anti-town and has indeed managed to push me over the limites).

I don't know about s_s I wonder with the back and forth between kraska and s_s it seems fake on the surface.
Add creature to that list and RR and I wouldn't disagree.
Yes I reconize this list seems large.

so i was doing the thing yesterday where i drink instead of play this game.

i shot farside

Why?

The magic word is PASSIVE. It's a reflexive thing. A built-in ability, not a switch on/off one.

This^

[farside22]

I told kraska to end the event.
Anyways, grapes I think 4 to 5 scum reads isn't that bad.
Everyone thinks there is 3 scum left, which means rr math is completely wrong on many levels.

[farside22]

How many threats to earth are left? That's the kind of game we should all have in the back of our mind when trying to solve.

Based on numbers started and 3p with the gems I think 3 scum left.

You asked about rr and why he would push for just me, why not, I'm easy to lynch, he can blame Titus for it after with all her thoughts on me.

Kraska as I said is more about how she is in the PT.
It's hard to explain, but I think you should ally with her to see what kind of read you get.

[farside22]

i dunno.

i dunno.

-Cerb

i mean.

i submitted farsides name.

shes not dead.

what else do you want.

The reason this reads fake is if you read the OP it states the following.

At -4 Stress, or 'Slice of Life,' all town players will require one less vote to lynch (except in LYLO) and the scum factional kill will always succeed

Twie knows the event is at -4, why would he think reading the OP his shot should be successful?

There is no way to read that and be confused

[farside22]

How many threats to earth are left? That's the kind of game we should all have in the back of our mind when trying to solve.

Based on numbers started and 3p with the gems I think 3 scum left.

You asked about rr and why he would push for just me, why not, I'm easy to lynch, he can blame Titus for it after with all her thoughts on me.

Kraska as I said is more about how she is in the PT.
It's hard to explain, but I think you should ally with her to see what kind of read you get.

Isn't he Conf town because of the beach event ?

No.

Based on numbers started and 3p with the gems I think 3 scum left.

I kinda doubt that seems like too much.

Rr wants you to believe there are 4 scum left in the game, even though he's refused repeatedly to say who he thinks is scum off to the votes from the beach event.

[farside22]

Rr: I'm not responding to a player who continues to lie and respond to questions I ask.
Plus I said what my vote power was many moons ago.
Go search for it mister liarpants.

[farside22]

I'm sorry :') somehow missed the word town

And I checked with the mod, I can't vote enough to make a lynch happen, as I said many moons ago the ability can only be no more the half the vote count.

I'm think kraska should end this event, players can lynch me, and one I flip town rr needs to explain why he didn't believe my claim.
Again he stated day 2 to give points to 3p players, I'm the only person to claim needing points but he calls me nothing more then a liar.
He also kept the Titus tunnel going on with the hypo theory that never got proven and if you read day 4 he still left an opening for twie flip either way.
Creature is for sure not town. He called snarky town day 3 and voted for him day 4 for no reason stated.
My gut says twie isn't scum but I'm not married to that read. I'd say focus on the first 2 scum reads before letting the rabbit hole bs from rr lead this game.

Holy shit.

I just fucking understood what you're talking about. You thought I claimed my role allowed me to give points to someone.

I did not claim that.

I have no idea what post you're referring to, but I'm almost positive we were talking about philosophically, how we approach third partis and give them the benefit of the doubt/don't subscribe to the site meta of auto lynching third parties.

Lmao. Every time you said that, I thought you were pissed because we said we're not as quick to lynch third parties as most but we were still suspicious of you in spite of that, when the whole time you actually meant believed we had mechanical reason to believe your claim and couldn't understand why we didn't(which, btw, is untrue, I don't believe either of us ever said we didn't believe your claim(at least certainly not after you displayed your lynchproof)).

-Cerb

Fair enough. The xkfyu point can't be properly evaluated without knowing what he claimed to her and what steven has told her about it.

And I was telling you all yesterday that third parties are a thing here. I actually have evidence of at least 2 third party factions in this game,

though only one has a pt/is informed at all.

So, were you playing towards a town win con, with the third party thing as an out just in case, or were you playing for the 3p win con the whole time? Is that why you were saying you weren't going to be using your vote power, so you wouldn't use up your points and put yourself further away from your alternative win condition?

@Yume: I said two things about peridot. Not sure which one you're saying is correct, but I did receive separate confirmation about my mechanical suspicions regarding peridot, whic simultaneously disproved my identity theory.

-Cerb

1.) I screwed up my shoulder pretty bad over this past weekend and it's just now bearable to be at the computer for more than a few minutes. I've got like 35 pages to catch up on, but I've got a couple things to say that are super important, after talking with Cerb for the last couple hours.

Please do not end the day until Cerb and I finish checking and making sure what we've concluded is correct. We need to share it with the game today. Please just bear with us. Cerb is tied up for a few hours and we want to be completely sure before we make the post.

2.) We are going to pop our event tonight, barring some change in stress that precludes it, so I'm not sure if we should ally or not. Whomever we ally with can't get the synergy and

add 3 points towards the unknown goal as we will not be forgoing the use of our event.

We plan to submit Randomidget, but

Random: you should not submit us if you think you can synergize elsewhere

. We would prefer to ally because we have some things we'd rather not say in the main thread but want to leave to someone in case we get killed.

We would appreciate if Mastin and Titus and Farside (specifically) would think about the ally thing and whether it's worth the potential loss of points for us to ally.

~Drixx

P.S. - Yume please check PT. Mastin please look for Yume to be relaying you some info. -- I'll be catching up for awhile while Cerb is busy and I've got something to do in about 3 hours, so it will be pretty late East Coast time before we get our post up.

Please just trust that it's worth waiting. It's important.

The bold shows were rr is lying blantenly about what he claimed.

[farside22]

Farside. Read the context of that post. Do you remember the cluster. The event where if anyone chose to not perform actions or activate events, one point would be added towards fighting it, and if both they and their ally chose to forego acting, a total of 3 points would he added instead?

That's what that post is talking about. It's discussing the fact that we were going to activate beachapalooza that night, which meant if we were allying with someone who was going to forego their action, minimum benefit would be gained from it.

The evidence of two third parties I have was because I already knew about both the leftovers and rhe crystal gems. Your claim did not fit in either of those groups so no, nothing you quoted there actually supports the conclusions you've drawn.

And I know you said what your vote power is, but that distinction I just asked about is incredibly important, and it ISN'T made clear in any of your claims. You mention a 1/2 lynch limitation, but not if that limit includes your regular vote as well.

@Random: got it. And that's coming from xk or moi?

-Cerb

So you were talking about the cluster. I wanted to ally with you thinking it was a 3p role you were referring to especially when you claimed to know there were other 3p in the game and one (which I put in bold) that there are 2 third party factions in the game.

As for your question I have a few of mine

1) I stated what my vote power was already and made it clear, why do you feel a need to keep asking something you can find in the game?
2) What character do you think I am if it isn't Kevin?

[farside22]

Finally RR
Why do you keep asking me about my points if you think I'm scum, fake claiming?

[farside22]

VOTE: Twie

[farside22]

her points are predicated on farside scum.
Titus, you have Cakez choices making it likely that one of me and RR is scum... but Snarky avoiding both of us in favout of farside is towny? i just, really do not see your points.
and magna, what does Fire's belief that Yume wouldn't be nightkilled have to do with him being scum?

Yes, because Snarky championed a lynch on scum both times, but even if Farside is town and lying about being 3p for some reason, he didn't need to beg for Farside votes. He could have compromised or lurked.

He only stopped voting Cakey because Farside derailed it.

Why can't farside be town and not be lying about the 3p win condition thing? Like, if she's town...doesn't that mean she's not lying about the 3p thing?

-Cerb

How about this you vote snarky and if there is enough votes that make that half the votes I promise to convert my points to make that lynch happen.

Farside. Read the context of that post. Do you remember the cluster. The event where if anyone chose to not perform actions or activate events, one point would be added towards fighting it, and if both they and their ally chose to forego acting, a total of 3 points would he added instead?

That's what that post is talking about. It's discussing the fact that we were going to activate beachapalooza that night, which meant if we were allying with someone who was going to forego their action, minimum benefit would be gained from it.

The evidence of two third parties I have was because I already knew about both the leftovers and rhe crystal gems. Your claim did not fit in either of those groups so no, nothing you quoted there actually supports the conclusions you've drawn.

And I know you said what your vote power is, but that distinction I just asked about is incredibly important, and it ISN'T made clear in any of your claims. You mention a 1/2 lynch limitation, but not if that limit includes your regular vote as well.

@Random: got it. And that's coming from xk or moi?

-Cerb

So you were talking about the cluster. I wanted to ally with you thinking it was a 3p role you were referring to especially when you claimed to know there were other 3p in the game and one (which I put in bold) that there are 2 third party factions in the game.

As for your question I have a few of mine

1) I stated what my vote power was already and made it clear, why do you feel a need to keep asking something you can find in the game?

2) What character do you think I am if it isn't Kevin?

Still waiting on RR to respond to the bold and to tell me who else he thinks is scum.
Neither of these questions should be continually ignored, especially the who he thinks is scum question.


MOI: I don't disagree with your creature read at all.

but I'm not getting lynched today and I don't want to use my ultimate defenses either. We have TWIE (and even farside22).

Who are you scum reading besides myself and twie, if you think we are both scum why do you think as scum I would use my ability to multi vote to vote him out?

You are not this bad as town either by the way.

[farside22]

Almost, what's your opinion on making farside22 use her extra votes on TWIE?

Would you like me to use it on you?

Funny enough Random is talking about controlling a player, but I used the ability once and he's as useless as a 3rd tit is on me this game.
If I could hot prod players to do something more and had that ability I'd be a happy person playing this game.

[farside22]

Magna

It doesn't worry you scum decided to activate their events right now? Specially when farside22 was very likely going to be lynched? Doesn't sound like they're trying to side with her?

How in the world do you come to that conclusion base on who can vote?

[farside22]

Finally RR
Why do you keep asking me about my points if you think I'm scum, fake claiming?

I never said I didn't believe that you had points yout could gain and utilize?

And based on the prior flips? Probably one of the rubies, lol.

Whatever, fuck it. I keep asking because I'm trying to give you a way out of a fucking lie, but you refuse to fucking answer.

You said the person you lynch had to be 1/2 way to kynch for your power to work, but with snarky, I cast 5 out of 8 required votes.

MORE THAN HALF.

-Cerb

That's some vague shit RR.

Which Ruby, why does it make sense.

Come on person who claims he is right about everyone's role, this shouldn't be this hard to keep avoiding.

Also scum reads sir.

[farside22]

Finally RR
Why do you keep asking me about my points if you think I'm scum, fake claiming?

I never said I didn't believe that you had points yout could gain and utilize?

And based on the prior flips? Probably one of the rubies, lol.

Whatever, fuck it. I keep asking because I'm trying to give you a way out of a fucking lie, but you refuse to fucking answer.

You said the person you lynch had to be 1/2 way to kynch for your power to work, but with snarky, I cast 5 out of 8 required votes.

MORE THAN HALF.

-Cerb

That's some vague shit RR.

Which Ruby, why does it make sense.

Come on person who claims he is right about everyone's role, this shouldn't be this hard to keep avoiding.

Also scum reads sir.

Have you ever watched the show? The five rubies are only distinguishable by temperament, gem location, and the visor doc wears. They only appear in 3 episodes (mind you, in a show with 10 minute episodes).

There's nothing particularly special about any of them that would make one more likely than another.

Also read my fucking iso, stop asking fucking questions I've already answered.

-Cerb

Wow how convient.


You keep asking me a question you can find in the game, but I looked for yours and only found dgb as scum.
Twie with hypothetically reasoning and that's it.

Thanks for scum claiming.

[farside22]

You. Haven't. Looked.
I talked about shiro. I talked about creature. I mentioned my suspicions about the gems.

Wtf more are you looking for?

With regards ti your own question...tell me how you put 5 votes on someone when lynch was at 9, if you can't put more than half

-Cerb

I said at least 2 times in the game that half the vote is required, which included my own vote.
Both times I was on the wagon when I stated I could multi vote to create a lynch.
And I said it today while you accused me of using bs to explain my votes on snarky enough though I had been scum reading him from the beginning.

Now how the fuck does Shiro scum with me make any fucking sense at all?

[farside22]

I'd start with TWIE, who is pretty much scum.

NOT BSO! He claims his action FAILED last night. Only if he is LYING would he be scum. The question is: If he IS lying, then WHO did he shoot and WHY aren't they dead?

I don't think he is a vig.
Look at the OPERA, look what he said about thinking I should be dead.
None of that makes sense.

[farside22]

Opera = OP

[farside22]

Oh, and fsrside, you asked another question, about how shiro scum makes sense with you: umm, I don't build out teams when evaluating scumminess. I might create exclusions, as in, if x is scum y is unlikely to be, etc, but beyond that I evaluate slots individually.

What about shiro makes it impossible for you to be scum together?

-Cerb

Your joking.
That's some heavy bussing your accusing me over there scummy butt.

Almost has a point. TWIE has taken decisions that make him look back if his kill didn't fail. He may not be town, but he probably isn't lying about his shot failing. He could've said that he couldn't shoot again or w/e.

He said it was only during the season finale.

Here's the issue.
He stated he was aware kills would go through when we are at -4, but he missed it was only scum kills?
That's not possible, even remotely believable.

[farside22]

Why? I have to ask since you would have to take TWIE’s word his actions on it 100%.

I don't. I specifically said "unless he is lying to earn these specific town points". However, he does have a gun (Mastina's result on him) and he had a shot last night (unless he was blocked), so WHERE is his shot?

He said he shot me.

@Almost – I forgot to ask earlier – did your Night action bear any fruit? I would have expected to see something from you on it but have to ask.

And I meant to say something but didn't know how to do it w/o outing myself, but things have changed.

The profile Creature has is mine, and the false one is #2. Creature did NOT perform an action last night.

As for me: The event is used up already (Joy Ride). The passive rewards you & RR already know about (of those living) but I suspect the whole scum team would also know since I allied with SC on E1.

The action you and RR also know about (but nobody else should have bc I told nobody except you two). It's a 1-shot ability though that gets refunded on Season Finale. It was used previously on McMenno showing he didn't "perform a HARMFUL action", while on Creature it says he "didn't perform ANY actions"

The way you worded this is confusing.
Ooooooo wait harmful if the key.

Yeah I'm happy with my creature scum read.

[farside22]

@Farside

- Not Chara has a question that she wants you to confirm.

Please explicitly state whether your Ascetic power protects you from Nightkills or not.

I'm ascentic from all action except being shot by scum.
That doesn't mean I believe twie.

[farside22]

More info from Not Chara since I am now Chara’s personal delivery Gem …

General

– Chara absolutely wants TWIE to be the lynch today for doing no scum-hunting but being here to whine like a child.

@RR

– Beach event proves there are several scum in the “Non-Voters” do not lynch farside, lynch in the Non-Voters even if you think farside is scum. This is directly to you from Chara.

@kraska

– Chara gives you a “thumbs up” from “mom Maheswaran”.

@NC: there are 4 slots among the voters(if we exclude conftown and gems), who have one scum among them, and the rest will be confirmed as town once we find the scum in that group. I'm VERY sure that scum is Farside22, and would much prefer to create 3 more conftown today, than 1)create this same situation tomorrow, if we hit scum outside of the voters, or 2) mislynch+change that pool to a 50/50.

Oh and we'll also be able to fucking pressure peope.being without being concerned that farside's just going to decide to show up and hammer from l-4.


-Cerb

The above is basically scum saying he doesn't want to vote his scum buddy.


Moi: I get the creature scum read, I even understand what your going with but give me your thoughts on twie for a moment.

[farside22]

One only needed to look at Steven Universe to see that assuming someone with Day 1 access to Steven was town. Several, including us, pointed that out. Don't straw man ... it undercuts your credibility.

~Drixx

You are missing the point. If Connie-fake claim can actually be scum (which you point out that people bought) then why does Creature think his blog whatever confirms him as town and couldn't just as easily be a scum ability that matches his fake-claim?

Seriously - stay on point with the actual salient information.

The blog doesn't at all clear him. That doesn't change what you did from being a straw man attack.

The question I have is this:

WHY would scum be given an ability to find out the nature of the gems, as Creature has claimed? He claims you would be notified he found out.

-- The only reason the scum would need a reason to find out the nature of the gems is if they are somehow compatible.

So ummm ... if Creature is left alive and does his thing, he can both inform the town that you have told the truth (presuming you have), and you will have hard evidence that he had the ability to learn the nature of your faction. So if you don't believe scum would have that ability, the obvious course is to force him to do it, right?

Oh look rr said he has a scum read but uses why would the mod give info to scum like that to let creature fly by.

Yet rr thinks so little of Varsoon to think he would tell players the name of a player that rb you and that player is scum.

Yup, nothing scummy about rr continue tunneling, right grapes?

[farside22]

You know like how sky new who was steven universe but she was scum.

Let me know when im missing something.

[farside22]

One only needed to look at Steven Universe to see that assuming someone with Day 1 access to Steven was town. Several, including us, pointed that out. Don't straw man ... it undercuts your credibility.

~Drixx

You are missing the point. If Connie-fake claim can actually be scum (which you point out that people bought) then why does Creature think his blog whatever confirms him as town and couldn't just as easily be a scum ability that matches his fake-claim?

Seriously - stay on point with the actual salient information.

The blog doesn't at all clear him. That doesn't change what you did from being a straw man attack.

The question I have is this:

WHY would scum be given an ability to find out the nature of the gems, as Creature has claimed? He claims you would be notified he found out.

-- The only reason the scum would need a reason to find out the nature of the gems is if they are somehow compatible.

So ummm ... if Creature is left alive and does his thing, he can both inform the town that you have told the truth (presuming you have), and you will have hard evidence that he had the ability to learn the nature of your faction. So if you don't believe scum would have that ability, the obvious course is to force him to do it, right?

Oh look rr said he has a scum read but uses why would the mod give info to scum like that to let creature fly by.

Yet rr thinks so little of Varsoon to think he would tell players the name of a player that rb you and that player is scum.

Yup, nothing scummy about rr continue tunneling, right grapes?

You need to fucking stop it Farside. You've spent this entire game pretending that you are stupid and incapable of understanding nuance, temporal order, causality, or even basic reasoning. You're not stupid and I know you understand all of those things and yet you've spent literally the entire game pretending you didn't. At one point you were

CERTAIN

that Titus was scum and you shit on this game for 50 pages with her, and you are now trying to do the same thing with us. It would take me HOURS to go through this thread and quote every time you lied, pretended you didn't understand temporal order, pretended you didn't understand how and why a read changed, etc... You never address any of the points in the case against you because you know we have you nailed. You just constantly try to throw shade on us by manipulation and cherry picking, same as you did to Titus.

Reality is that things happen in a specific order. Creature has been in my pool of possible scum as far back as day 3. That pool is larger than the amount of scum could possibly be. That means more work is needed. I can view someone's posts as scummy (and Creature has posted a few dandies today) and also see the other side of the coin. That's how you're supposed to play the game. I know you have a hard time with the whole "I need to consider both possibilities" thing, but just follow me here.

The only way a member of the scum team would be given an ability to investigate the "nature" of the gems (presumably this means wincon, but Creature hasn't elaborated) is if the scum team and crystal gems are somehow compatible. While that exists in the

possibility space

, it has such a low probability, imo, as to be not even worth seriously considering. That means that if Creature can PROVE he's telling the truth about that, then Magna would KNOW that Creature has that ability, and then the probability of him being scum goes down so far that he goes on the "consider only in M/LYLO" pile.

But Creature already had a chance to use that ability and didn't do so, and his excuse for not doing so is underwhelming, at best.

You're not stupid, and when you continue to pretend to be stupid to try and throw shade on us, it just makes you look worse. Stop with the shitposting. This is the last time I'll be responding to a post where you play dumb and pretend you don't understand nuance and that you can't see we're actually trying to figure Creature out rather than deciding ahead of time and trying to justify that choice. If you want to pretend you are stupid, then have fun talking to yourself. Otherwise start being intellectually honest because, at this point, if you flip town I will consider you to have intentionally tried to throw the game, given your play.

~Drixx

No where in the post I quoted are you figuring creature out.
You are giving him a free pass.
Plain and simple.

[farside22]

Not really feeling a creature lynch tbh.

The scum triggered an event where they gained an extra kill if a scum lynch happened today. This is weak evidence that the scum team expected to lose a member today. Looking at just that, the lynch pool for today should be {TWIE, Farside} as those were the top suspects of Titus and Mastin, plus Titus dying along with how Farside unilaterally and scummily ended the day yesterday was going to put her squarely in the crosshairs. I can't give you much of a case on TWIE because he hasn't posted a whole lot. That could go either way though because he tends to be a late game player. In my reads list to A50 I instructed him to relay our wish that TWIE be put under heavy pressure if he didn't start looking like he was invested and gamesolving by day 6.

I don't know what to make of his claim that he vigged Farside but she didn't die, and he doesn't seem the least bit interested in explaining it. Farside, on the other hand, opened the day demanding whomever had targeted her to claim. TWIE is the only person to have claimed to target her ... but it was with a kill. I'm pretty sure ascetic doesn't block kills? But then Farside said in post #9618 that she is "ascentic" (immune) from all action except being shot by scum. If Scum!Farside, then that post is just window dressing. If Farside is actually 3P, that sort of makes sense. Town!Farside is a miniscule possibility at this point and would require her to have intentionally game thrown, and I just don't see that being realistic.

So Grapes ... if Creature hasn't stuck his head in the noose far enough for you (for me the fact that he could have investigated the gems and didn't do so is kind of the clincher), penny for your thoughts?

~Drixx

This is were your theories read as scummy or dumb as shit.
Since we are exchanging insults I think that is fair to say.

If scum wanted to use that event to the fullest there would have been more players who could vote.
It's not that hard to understand since you were the one ranting that scum wanted a no lynch.
Again you being the player who wants both things to be true and they can't be.

[farside22]

Whatever you say scummy butt.

[farside22]

Whatever you say scummy butt.

In other words, you give up?

~D

[farside22]

With all due respect, you already had it your way with Snarky and were proven wrong. Can you please let us have it someone else's way this time around, for the good sportsmanship spirit and all??

It is precisely because I am a good sportswoman that I am resisting the farside lynch.

If I were to display poor sportsmanship, I would vote farside out of spite, both at her actions...AND at RR/Titus. Because I'm that sure she's NOT flipping scum. And seeing the reactions of people TO her not flipping scum would be glorious. It'd feel so good to do, to get the toxic element cleared from the game once and for all, while also firmly planting my foot and saying, "I told you so."

But because I'm above poor sportsmanship, I'm NOT going to do that. I'm going to continue hunting for those who are scumbags by role, not play.

You totally will get an idea told you so moment.

All this fear mongering with my vote ability when I used it once on someone I was scum reading since day 1 is awful.
Who here would power lynch the fuck out of a scum read?

Anyways issues with rr is he encouraged the Titus tunnel day 4 with that bs theory.
He's tunneling today and using her as his shield. Lynch the fuck out of him, but not before creature or twie.

I can't believe anyone thinks when you read this OP his reasons for believing I should be dead makes any sense.
Creature is one of those I agree 100% with MoI things.

If, and use that word losely, I'm wrong about anyone Shiro should be lynched too.
He went from active to actively lurking get as the numbers dwindled and defended skybird.

[farside22]

Moi: my scum read was based on you following Titus.
I've never seen you as a follower type.
The claim from random and the mason stuff is the I can't see that scum thought process.
Plus today you've made more sense with your pushes and thought process then you have this whole game.
And no its not because a player thinks I'm scum.
A50 will forever be a town read. Grapes will forever be a town read. Mastin will forever be a town read.

[farside22]

Here is the biggest issue with rr whole thing.
The scum reads don't change with me flipping town but he barely pushes any of those scum reads.
Well and how he uses the Titus shield to say it's ok to keep the tunnel up.
Can I through up math as its okay to scum read Shiro since he was?

[farside22]

Why not RR?

Hello Mr. Fluff.

[farside22]

I'm sheeping

Vote: creature

[farside22]

It's not even fluff though.

Why would i include rr as town?

She said that.

No I didnt.

You claim you can become a third party. Kevin doesn't make sense for the third party that is in existance.

I have nothing to do with the gems.
I've said that multiple times as well.

And RR lies one more time and I will vote him till he is dead.

[farside22]

Titus your not suspicious at all about dgb blatantly brown nosing you?

Of course I am. But I have proven that Farside omitted things that are lynchable for on their own, Farside's treated me like shit all game, refused to full claim after I exposed them, their Roleblocker claim is full of crap, they blew up the joyride when it seemed to have no purpose for their role, shaded Yume and just spammed the shit out of the thread.

I will love suspicious niceness compared to Farside right now.

2 out of 4 girl could be said about you.
Treated like shit and spamming the thread.

I slept on it and although I'm 95% certain you'll call me scum with my claim and all the proof is in the game and you'll just ignore it here is what you missed with my subtle hints.

The points can be used to help town.
As I said I can use them to make my vote multiply.

There is an event I can trigger which I need to be at a certain point and the level will be at a certain point and a player and I will be in a race.
The race I'm not explaining further since I'll be alive to use it ifor not shot tonight thanks to Titus ousting me.

The final thing is if I chose not to use my ability at all at a certain point system I leave the game and go from town to a 3rd party win con.

And if you haven't guessed by now, apparently, I get points for disbanding from players.

So in short end of day 1, pretty sick of Titus attitude, stopped caring/trying to even reason with her, disbanded, asked everyone to target me so I can get the fuck out of the game with a garenteed win then watching sheeping, dealing with fighting and hoping it happened before day 2.
As you can see no luck.

That's an individual win con scum bucket.
Just think of a Jester or Lyncher that have conditions that allow them to win as indivual.
Just means I win, doesn't matter after.
But if you've paid attention to that claim at all you'd know im not close to that win con.
So I get to work with town to find scum to win.

[farside22]

It's not even fluff though.

Why would i include rr as town?

She said that.

No I didnt.

You claim you can become a third party. Kevin doesn't make sense for the third party that is in existance.

I have nothing to do with the gems.
I've said that multiple times as well.

And RR lies one more time and I will vote him till he is dead.

What did I lie about this time? You saying at day start that you didn't think TWIE was likely scum?

-Cerb

Your using that as fear mongering considering that at least 4 times I've stated his comments make no sense reading the OP.
But sure you can ignore that if you want to make things sound scummy to everyone about me.

[farside22]

It's not even fluff though.

Why would i include rr as town?

She said that.

No I didnt.

You claim you can become a third party. Kevin doesn't make sense for the third party that is in existance.

I have nothing to do with the gems.
I've said that multiple times as well.

And RR lies one more time and I will vote him till he is dead.

What did I lie about this time? You saying at day start that you didn't think TWIE was likely scum?

-Cerb

Your using that as fear mongering considering that at least 4 times I've stated his comments make no sense reading the OP.
But sure you can ignore that if you want to make things sound scummy to everyone about me.

I know you've said stuff since then, sure. I'm simply repeating your positions in the past.

And how is it fear mongering? I'll freely agree to fear mongering with regards to you quickhammering anyone you please, because it already happened once and im fucking sick of people in games wirh known multivotinf mechanics dumping vote all over the place in the day phase, but pointng out your previous "least likely among all my suspects" position regarding TWIE isn't fear mongering at all.

@Creature: obviously A50, myself, farside, and kraska. One scum flip in this group=3 conftown, unless there are 7+scum.

-Cerb

Says the player who demanded on day 3 I should pile as much as I can on a player for votes, then bitched when it happened.
These double standards really are awful.

[farside22]

The thing I find funny is certain players are calling me scum but believe my claim about points.
Or how my vote works.
Someone can tell me how that makes sense.

[farside22]

Oh and there's also no reason to assume you're lying when everything you've claimed that is testable has been tested and proven correct/corroborated by someone else. Making up stuff about your role just puts you at risk of getting caught by a slot with powers like what Creature has claimed.

-Cerb

Who's been caught lying.

Who you have on your scum list.


This is a joke right?
Because I can't see any town worth there salt believing players they are scum reading, one who has been caught lying.

[farside22]

That's some sweet double talk.

[farside22]

The thing I find funny is certain players are calling me scum but believe my claim about points.
Or how my vote works.
Someone can tell me how that makes sense.

I'll bite. You see, I do believe you have a point system that works towards "something". What I don't believe is there to be a town role that can opt to switch to an alternate 3P win-con and pull out of the game. I would've been more inclined to believe you if you said you were 3P and had the option to join town (or even join EITHER town or scum).

As for how the votes work, I'm not even sure I do believe you. You said up to half the lynch threshold INCLUDING your original vote, but SS was lynched with 3 votes + 5 of yours, so that's half the threshold NOT COUNTING your original vote, and that's for starters.

i would have also bought your claim if you hadn't been acting anti-town since the word go. There was absolutely no reason for you to destroy a town event just to gain points towards whatever your win-con is. You could've done it much more subtly and no one would've noticed or got suspicious, but from that point on you kept getting scummier and scummier.

Your arguing with Titus seems like someone who just wants to argue for the sake of arguing, and is one of the worst 1-on-1 duels I've ever seen, and I would've wanted to vote you off just to STOP that insanity.

However, Titus got killed and -theoretically speaking- all should've calmed down, but -instead- you found another target to shitpost about and get the same nonsense going in RR. If I was in your shoes and I was town still I would've probably kept my mouth shut just to let the people enjoy the game, but you're not only acting anti-town, but also anti-game-spirit. That's anti-social.. anti-sportsmanship.. anti-ANYTHING that makes the game of Mafia a fun game to begin with.

So, you see.. it's absolutely nothing personal (although it is now!), but you can never convince me that you and I have been on the same side all along or that you have been playing for the same win-con that I have been, which is to eliminate all threats to Earth.

My vote + up to half the lynch threshold.
Dude that was 4 points I got for doing that. That's a heck of a lot considering the rest of the time I maybe get 1 or 2 points during the night or none.
You can call it anti town but that is what going for a selfish single win con is.
You have a better way to get to it, let me know.

So you think I should let scum slide?
I should let rr continue the Titus tunnel that made the game unbearable and he can be scummy as shit and I should let that be?
Wtf kind of town attitude is that?

I'd say with your reads this game your doing a fab job helping scum.
Thanks for sharing.

[farside22]

1- So, you do confess to having pursued your 3P win-con from the word go. Now what guarantees you will now be working towards anything but?

2- Titus flipped TOWN though, and tunneling 3P whose win-con doesn't even consider the town's own is -in fact- THE pro-town move.

3- A case of the A calling the E a vowel?? (I needed to improvise on something new)

1) I have not dumped a chat since after day 1. I have used some of the points to vote a player i felt sure was scum.
2) Titus thought I was scum. Not 3p. I've been trying to figure out who scum is. He'll I tried ignoring the woman and taking time off but I like playing mafia.
3) MC square root of evil.

[farside22]

shiro I'm an emotional person that takes things personallynch. I'm working on trying to curb that.

This seems a little too arrogant

yet your voting me. Fasinating

And I see rr ranting more while ignoring many gaps in logic.

Joy.

[farside22]

Creature: Unless you think both random and moi are lying together and have something other then hypothetic shit, consider me under the don't give a fuck category.

[farside22]

A50: I'm town that is were all your points fail.
As for your points on fuzzy I say meh.
Shiro defended skybird and called dgb scum but wasn't on the wagon.
Here is a head scratcher of a question.
Rr says I must be telling the truth do to what creature claimed (mind you creature is a scum read to rr and got caught lying) if I gain points by being targeted like I said I do, then what stops that from being broken?
In regards to the setup discussion. This was said in the queue my the mod

Steven Universe Mafia II will be a 25 player Large Theme featuring a handful of unique public mechanics that focus heavily in rhetorical engagement and flavor payoff. My previous game, Bloodborne Mafia, was a striking disappointment for me, largely due to how the over-complex mechanics were handled. I am hoping to create a set of mechanics in this game that are more concise and fun to engage with for everyone involved.

Saying the mod wasn't aware of the issues of bloodborne is a stretch at this point.

Finally acting like there was no warning that I was going to hammer vote snarky is a lie.

Gah, titus I wanted to see if more people got it.

Sorry grapes but I'm getting impatient with Farside here. I need to have Farside actually push someone who can actually be scum.

I just made a large amount of points.
I think your expectations for me suddenly change my view on Shiro are very misunderstood

And with that said.
Mastin I love you, thank you for letting me know im not crazy with this tunnel from Titus, but frankly she won't listen, care and even if I had someone come back with an innocent she would still call me scum and ignore everyone else calling someone else besides me, scum.
I'm very close to replacing out of this game, but I won't because how big it is.
As far as I'm concerned, I'm voting confirmed scum snarky and if enough votes happen I'm hammer voting the shit out of him and not asking if anyone cares.

There was the warning

[farside22]

So, I just realized my reason with regards to why it makes sense you would be telling the truth about how your role functions was dumb...because you can't be investigated.

I don't know if that actually weakens any of my points, but you didn't /don't have much reason to claim honestly if you didnt want to.

Who said Varsoon wasn't aware of the issues with Bloodborne?

-Cerb

You are.
You think the mod would make something broken and reference bloodborne as why it's possible.

[farside22]

@Farside

- Not Chara has a question that she wants you to confirm.

Please explicitly state whether your Ascetic power protects you from Nightkills or not.

I'm ascentic from all action except being shot by scum.
That doesn't mean I believe twie.

And here is where rr missed what I claimed about being ascentic.

[farside22]

@Farside

- Not Chara has a question that she wants you to confirm.

Please explicitly state whether your Ascetic power protects you from Nightkills or not.

I'm ascentic from all action except being shot by scum.
That doesn't mean I believe twie.

And here is where rr missed what I claimed about being ascentic.

This is in regards to the nitpicky shit he stated here.

Did not specify if she meant all kills, or specifically the scum factional kill.

[farside22]

Hey farside, can you still use your extra votes on me?

Sure could.

[farside22]

Someone not RR tell the difference between scum kill and scum factional kill?
How would scum kill only equal vig kill?
Anyone buying he's that dense, let me know.

[farside22]

UNVOTE:

Fine. Since we're going in circles and everyone wants to have it their own way I'm declaring intent to hammer on anything that moves (including myself). Let's get this game finished and done with.

He is not scum. Sher is not scum. They are not scum. So WHO is??

Creature or twie, which one if either do you think is scum?

[farside22]

Scum have vig shots? Which mod put that broken shit in?
It specifically says factional kill.
Are you trying to get me mod kills by using exacting wording rr?

[farside22]

Well, I already have 3 votes, so farside22 should be able to hammer me.

I'm already voting you.

Who's scum and why creature?

[farside22]

They ARE limited. Up to half the lynch threshold +1

Scum #1: Hey, there are 9 players alive, do you know what we should do?
Scum #2: farside22, vote with us and we win

That is such a contradiction from where you didn't even list me as scum.

[farside22]

Who is in an alliance?

I'd like grapes to hook up with kraska if moi wants to ally with random

[farside22]

Shadow are you up for an alliance with me?
I'd like to pick your brain a bit.

[farside22]

Moi: how dare you clarify the win condition after all the insinuating from rr and Creature.

[farside22]

@RR
why don't you think Vasoon would not have a no one win situation. Why is it not likely he would put a weird win con in the game if nothing else to try different things. Not saying Vasoon has or has not but I am curious why you hold this blief...Also isn't this playing out guess the Mod

Far
Why did you use ability to mega hammer Snarky yesterday and not mega hammer Creature. I don't think you should but I am curious what the difference between the two lynches that made you use your ability yesterday but not today

@Almost
I not sure you are scum or town and I'm trying to figure that out. I am not sure if you are town and have just been tunneling Far or scum and acting like you tunneling Far to stay off of scum. With y play being just plain awlful in so many ways I am not helping myself
in trying to figure things out. My working theory is that Scum avoided the SC lynch and jumped on the first far lynch,So far however my theories have been 0 for 100 . Yeah as I said my play has beem just bad.

I can add only 3 votes today.
Somehow rr knew my vote was rounded down.

As for snarky I was scum reading him from the start and mastin point day 4 made me think I was correct with my read.
Add to that I was pretty sick and tired of the tunneling on me.

[farside22]

I'm calling bs to this

Vote count for some time, then creature votes, then rr talks about me hammering.

"He's a Gem, and Gems don't really grow up. I mean, I've known the Gems since I was 22, and they never change! They just are what they are."

-Greg,

Steven's Birthday

VOTECOUNT 5.03

TheWayItEnds (3):

Farside22, Kraskaeaque, mastin2

Farside22 (2):

ReasonablyRational, Almost50

Creature (1):

MagnaofIllusion

TheFuzzyLogic99 (1):

Shadow_Step

Not Voting (6):

Shiro, grapes, Thefuzzylogic99, Creature, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-11-04 10:00:00)

The Current Stress is -2:

VOTE: TWIE

Bah whatever, that's taking too long

Nice job, now we get to watchfarside hammer someone she didn't believe was scum at day start, before alliances are figured out again.

Well done.

Anyone else notice how the entire wagon on twie is people who would otherwise be lynched today (with the exception of mastin)?

-Cerb

Who has kraska been aligned with in this game beside me and nc?

[farside22]

"The Diamonds are the Gem matriarchs! Together they make up the Great Diamond Authority that governs Homeworld and all the outlying colonies! We live to serve them! I mean, we were all made to serve them, even though some of us... don't anymore..."

-Peridot,

It Could've Been Great

VOTECOUNT 5.05

Farside22 (3):

ReasonablyRational, Thefuzzylogic99, Creature

Creature (3):

MagnaofIllusion, Farside22, Almost50

TheWayItEnds (2):

Kraskaeaque, mastin2

TheFuzzyLogic99 (1):

Shadow_Step

Not Voting (4):

Shiro, grapes, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-11-04 10:00:00)

The Current Stress is -2:

Kraskaesque is V/LA until 10/28.
Varsoon is V/LA until 11/2.

Add grapes to twie and you have the vc.

[farside22]

Keep reading mastin...as always.

Also, we've already outlined the scum motivation in doing what she did:forcing s series of mislynches rather easily. That's what it comes down to, if you remove all the detail and extra thoughts about these issues that our posting has contained.

Every time town successfully lynches scum, it is still just as close to losing as before they lynched scum. There are a certain number of mislyches scum need to achieve in order to win. As Drixx puts it, mislynches are a currency town has to spend. Failed scum kills/successfully vig shots increase that currency, and extra town deaths decrease it (though not at a 1:1 ratio)

If farside KNOWS 1) that there is no chance she isn't lynched at or immediately prior to lylo, and 2) her power is not functional in LYLO...why wouldn't scum!farside force as many of those mislynches as possible, before she is lynched /her power turned off?

-Cerb

Pedit: farside....3+creature vote is 4 total. So your extra votes would have been 3, yes?

And the fear mongering needs to end or rr is scum claiming.

[farside22]

twie/kraska/shiro

That's where I want the votes.

I'd love a Shiro lynch and see that flip scum after everything from day 2, but after snarky I'm twice shy about any confidence in it.

[farside22]

Keep reading mastin...as always.

Also, we've already outlined the scum motivation in doing what she did:forcing s series of mislynches rather easily. That's what it comes down to, if you remove all the detail and extra thoughts about these issues that our posting has contained.

Every time town successfully lynches scum, it is still just as close to losing as before they lynched scum. There are a certain number of mislyches scum need to achieve in order to win. As Drixx puts it, mislynches are a currency town has to spend. Failed scum kills/successfully vig shots increase that currency, and extra town deaths decrease it (though not at a 1:1 ratio)

If farside KNOWS 1) that there is no chance she isn't lynched at or immediately prior to lylo, and 2) her power is not functional in LYLO...why wouldn't scum!farside force as many of those mislynches as possible, before she is lynched /her power turned off?

-Cerb

Pedit: farside....3+creature vote is 4 total. So your extra votes would have been 3, yes?

And the fear mongering needs to end or rr is scum claiming.

Farside..theres nothing about what I just said that isn't perfectly accurate(in terms of potential, at least).

TWIE or Creature Farside?

-Cerb

Shrug

They both read scummy and neither suspect one another.

Which one do you think is scum?
Why?

Your stuff is fear mongering since I'm town.

[farside22]

I'm not hammer voting anyone till alliances are set and getting my question responded to from kraska.

[farside22]

I see no harm aligning with rr.
I can always give him the boot if he passes me off.

[farside22]

I might vote TWIE I am waiting for TWIE to answer my questions about their vig ability. The historical fiction seems to point town.... however things about the vig ability makes me double think my read.
I am still pretty happy about the Far lynch as it would clear a lot up.

We should see who voted who on the Are ypu in there Steven event ........We know Snarky was the lynch choice. we could possible learn at least something

I did not vote.......

TFL- Did not vote

wow ..thought this site might of went down for good......Need to remind the people in charge of the Mafia to apy their bills next time

I am not happy about my vote on Far..... I am warming up to Far but right now I am still concern about her vote ability, While not likely scum and likely third party she can still tip the balance to a scum win which would be okay with her bc she can win with either scum or town if I remember right,

This is a quick turn around.

Shadow. I'm going to align with rr.
Probably will want to shot myself after but it is, what it is.

[farside22]

I suggest not matching {Shadow, TFL, Shiro, TWIE}

Why aren't you voting a scum read?

[farside22]

I could change my vote to TWIE, but I don't think I'll convince TunnelofIllusion to stop scumreading me.

[farside22]

General thoughts.
I'm leaning on voting Creature.
Few reasons why are how he's reacting to the points on him and the lies he says.
Rr reaction to twie being voted. He acted like he knew TWIE's alignment when he acaused me of possibly voting him.

[farside22]

Mastin: Why do you think we handled Beach-a-palooza the way we did? We also attempted to amplify another ability but that didn't work out. If shiro ever decides to play again, he can confirm that there was a way to misdirect and possibly get a mechanical guilty, and that Titus really pissed us off with how she handled it when we trusted her enough to talk about it and how we wanted to use it. The only way one could say we aren't trying to get the most out of the role utility we're aware of isn't paying attention.

That doesn't change the fact that Varsoon hates cops and does his best to design games that have to be solved the hard way.

I appreciate your attempt to walk back what you said to me, but no you weren't attacking my play. You directly compared me the person to Donald Trump the person. This is a man who was accused of raping his first wife in the divorce proceedings and the judge found the accusation credible and the ruling reflects that. I could make a very long list of things that you were saying about me when you compared me the person to Donald Trump the person, but I think "probable rapist" is enough to convey precisely how ugly what you said was.

~Drixx

Could be worse.
Someone could compare you to Hitler.
That one still stings.

I'd personally like the me subject to end. Finish the alliances and I'll just get in a pt with rr.

Thanks.

[farside22]

Don't worry moi. I'm planning on voting Creature over twie.
I'm just waiting for alliances to finalize.

[farside22]

unvote Far

Please Far dont make me regret not lynching you


I think that TWIE is Pearl or is a fake flavor claim that is to make us think he is. The only thing is that Historical fiction seems to point to being town due to how it is set up. My issue is that there are two vigs assuming that TWIE is telling the trutb.
This means that there is a town vig at-4 / season finale and a town player that has vig powers at + ? as there was a kill during a positive point on the diaster meter.

if TWIE thougnt he had a sure shot it would make sense he would try to shoot Far......prob thought he could kill Far despite Far blocking ability

Who else claimed vig?

[farside22]

Submitting rr.
I had a lot to say but no time.

[farside22]

So TFL cc the vig claim from twie, whom never explained why he thought his "shot" would be successful.
I still get a scum vibe/read off creature.
Kraska scum read I have is pt releated. She is being very appeasing to me, which funny enough reads scummy to me.

Moi: I told sky and Fox to ally episode 1. They were both scum in a game I modded so I thought they would be able to read each other's tells.

I'm going to have able long chat with rr. If TWIE is scum my scum read on rr goes through the roof with the hypothetically crap idea. I can only see that coming through scum trying to tie association with their scum buddy.

[farside22]

My head hurts read mastins thoughts

[farside22]

I'll hammer in time. Just making sure alliances are in order.

[farside22]

I'll hammer in time. Just making sure alliances are in order.

Who are you hammering?

*too lazy to check VC*

Hammering twie.
Counter claim vig trumps all else.

[farside22]

Tfl I don't see where twie is saying he thought his shot was 100% sure yhing.
Here's the other reason I think he is lying about it.
Chara targeted dgb and got results, dgb being ascetic that should have failed, however it succeeded because here ability was able to go through no matter what thanks to kraska.

[farside22]

This is exactly how CCed scum react. He is selling the narrative that both him and TFL are town, he is treating TFL like he is town.

Can we lynch this now?

Sure.

Vote: twie

[farside22]

So I might be wrong about TFL.
Wtf were you doing saving Snarky though :/

Tunneling

[farside22]

For the record TWIE's flip is not going to be delayed by the Crystal Gems. Any delay is part of the natural game processes.

Just flip as soon as possible for him.

[farside22]

For the record TWIE's flip is not going to be delayed by the Crystal Gems. Any delay is part of the natural game processes.

Just flip as soon as possible for him.

That's what I'm saying. We don't have control over how long the process takes if we don't choose to delay the flip. I know we have like a 24 - 48 hour period to make the choice. I've already posted in the Gem PT to Varsoon saying we specifically choose not to bubble TWIE.

So I can lynch the mod for the delay more then I thought.

[farside22]

After twie said his shot was garenteed I figured he'd flip red.

Shiro: why do you do not action during the night phase?

[farside22]

Okay, Shiro or Shadow

Take your pick

Shiro.
All day, any day.

[farside22]

Listing gems as green

Rational: mastin (+1)

Skybird: mastin (+1)

Almost: mastin (+1)

Mastin: self (+3)

Yume: mastin (+1)

total: 7

Chara: self (+3)

Farside: Chara (+2)
total: 5

Titus: self (+3)

Kraska: Titus (+1)

Xkfyu: Titus (+1)

Grapes: Titus (+1)
total: 6

Shiro: none

Snarky: none

DGB: none

Random: none

Fuzzy: none (didn't answer?)

TWIE: none

Creature: shadow step

Magna: voted Rational

Shadow step: Almost

Fire: Rational

McMenno: self

If you can convince me of a world were Shiro doesn't vote on this event for his town read and votes no one and be town I may listen.

[farside22]

First things first - scum attempted to kill me last Night but were thrwarted. All I can say is "Suck it scumbags"

Does anyone have an alliance today? Please state affirmatively if so.

And we are not lynching ANYONE till a few things get straightened out.

[farside22]

I'm with rr today.

[farside22]

ok I failed in my alliance......so either Kras did not write to ally with me or we were blocked.

After twie said his shot was garenteed I figured he'd flip red.

Shiro: why do you do not action during the night phase?

Cause my action is only good if I have allies which I have been shit at making.

I can keep alliances open forever but I never got the chance to actually use it other than first time but fire got bubbled and it was for naught

Well this is a lie.

Vote: shiro

I checked you n4 and know for a fact you gain nothing being in an alliance.

Tfl: you didn't get in an alliance with kraska, is your ability only garenteed if in an alliance?

[farside22]

I need to be in an alliance to use my vig ability.... I think I was blocked bc someone prob thought I might kill the wrong person,,,,,,,

My event was are "you in there Steven. "

I was told alliances can't be blocked as its not an action in a sense.

[farside22]

I disagree with the grapes "Creature has no scum motive" but that can be hashed out today.

Before lynching I've got info I want sorted out ...

I had a one-shot Power as leader that I used last Night to get what is effectively a clear on someone. Varsoon has confirmed that whoever has control of the event in question and isn't scum. So I can clear someone today. I have no clue what the Event does but I know that the name is unique and is held by a Town player.

Everyone (aside from Random since I know the event isn't his and know all his events from his Role PM anyway and Mastin who is Yume cleared) needs to claim any Events Name (and only names ... no need to out what remaining tricks Town may have to bamboozle scum) they still have available so I can clear someone. I

My event has a long name. Summary is cool down lap.
I get points from the event. But it reads as though I'm in a race with a player.

Shiro doesn't get anything from being in an alliance. He never claimed he did. He just has a power to allow alliance chats to extend beyond the initial day.

MoI: I don't have any events left.

Off to work, going to be fairly busy until the weekend so please don't end the day until I can evaluate things considering the TWIE flip.

-Cerb

He clearly said he could do it only in alliances.

A bleh one, I can create a second alliance with a person I already allied with and they cannot affect me negativly and viceversa. It needs + stress if I recall.

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This reads pretty fake.
moi

[farside22]

There IS an actual plot that develops over the course of multiple episodes, but it is somewhat in the style of x-files fo3 the first season, where some episodes are (on the surface) wholly unrelated to said main plot (though those unrelated episodes frequently have important hints about the overarching story hidden throughout)....but unlikethe x-files, the unrelated episodes are for character development.

Attack on Titan does have an overarching plot as well, so I assume the fact that you considered it boring is unrelated to your complaint about the lack or plot in SU?

Anyways, game stuff :

@farside : I assume Varsoon meant a standard roleblock can't block an alliance, which doesn't mean a power specifically aimed at denying an alliance to someone couldn't exist.

Kraska and fuzzy were supposed to be allied right? Can you please both confirm that you submitted your request BEFORE the original action submission deadline and confirm with Varsoon that you are not supposed to have an alliance today? My alliance with farside worked fine.

-Cerb

I'm not that dumb and I highly doubt that possibility considering nothing like that has ever been mentioned for anyone.

[farside22]

@Farside: Can you get varsoon to clarify if whatever you used to check him let's you know if someone gets passive benefits (like the bp of SCs role or the immunity to their allies actions of Titus' role) of if it tells you if it enables access to a power, OR both?

Because like he said, we've had our pt around ever since the season finale, so it seems most likely that you're misunderstanding your result(or I guess thar he's scum and has a teammate who used this power to make our pt permanent). Did you say when you received this result?

-Cerb

Not specifically but I'm aware that titus could not be killed by those in an alliance with her. My ability checked all 3 of you that night.

All I get is player has no alliance ability or I'm told if they have an alliance ability.
Ie: can only be triggered while in an alliance