Mini 1853: Trial of the Evoker [Game Over]

[havingfitz]

o.O

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[havingfitz]

Did you get everything soi had?

I can only assume.

[havingfitz]

Should be caught up in next day or two all.

[havingfitz]

havingfitz/sickofit should be considered town unless something comes up in thread then.

I haven't started my read yet. Why this ^ ?

[havingfitz]

soi was town.

hfits is town.

QFT

I'm up to post 950. Phone catch up going slower than I'd like.

[havingfitz]

fitz you need to express your interests s we can move this show forward

Sorry...I'm only up to page 50...just before the end of Day 1. I'm hesitant to give any reads just based on D1 until I see how the other days turn out.
I should be caught up NLT tomorrow.

[havingfitz]

Up to page 66. Busy weekend plus tough read = slow catch up. Sorry.

[havingfitz]

All caught up. Sorry it took so long. I was busy this weekend and it was a painful read. Here are the specifics on my role:

My slot started with the ability to cast votes and create a neighborhood.
N1 My slot "neighbored" Fire Assassin but was instead linked with pisskop. Any conjecture on this event would be welcome. I also gained an Alert (from who I do not know).
N2 My slot sent my Alert to Fire Assassin and I gained Travelers Blessing (from who I do not know).
N3 My slot gave Travelers Blessing to Not Chara.

So my reads:

Town Leans:

pisskop (mainly for receiving the hated curse from scum N1 and giving back to scum N2)
AJ...was town reading ironstove ftmp and I do not think AJ would RB a scum partner, who I assume was submitting the NK, unnecessarily. Assuming scum!AJ would RB

Dunnstral

to get rid of the ability...their other partner could have still submitted the NK.
Prism fttb...I was possibly going to vote Prism after my catch up but the "mod-confirmed" claim has me on hold.

FMPOV that leaves 2 scum within Not Chara, BATORU, BTD and dreal.

I have felt dreal was town much of my read through and Not Chara I am on the fence atm with.

Scum leans:

That leaves me with BATORU and BTD and vote targets.
I'd like to see BTD answer any questions I may have directed at him before I decide where I'm voting.


I spoiled my catchup thoughts below because I didn't want a long-ass wall post. I would ask that you all at least open it to look for questions. I have several imbedded in the Spoiler.

Spoiler: Catch up thoughts and questions

This post by BATORU feels a bit off.

BATORU is against claiming spells and obtw...town reads

Dunnstral

for claiming.

Not sure how any of Battoru scum/spell discussion on page 2 is of any value.

This post by BTD6 feels town.

This post BATORU states sentiment that

Dunnstral

is not scum this game.

This post...what pisskop said.

This post by Prism. Not a fan of this post. Overly helpful/instructive. Gut. Oh and while ironstove shouldn't have claimed...calls

Dunnstral's

claim good.

This post BATORU seems to discredit the negative attention

Dunnstral

is getting.

This post...

Dunnstral

town reading BATORU, Mega Frozen and Prism. I would wager at least 1 scum in this group. Ends with "I hard townread Prism." I don't think scum does that to a partner so BATORU looking like scum here.

This post by Not Chara = town lean by me.

This post annnd Fire Assassin goes 0-3.

This post BATORU agrees with

Dunnstral's

suspicions w/o any voting.

This post...

Gamma

getting similar vibe on Prism.

This post Prism distancing from

Dunnstral

buddying.

This post...need to rethink the BTD read and see if I am missing something.

Leaning town on ironstove

This post @pisskop...and they are all still alive aside from

Dunnstral

This post Prism opposing the

Sondam

wagon without really defending her. Not townreading but not liking wagon. Has the only vote on

Dunnstral

.

This post by Not Chara with a timely unvote off the

Dunnstral

wagon.

This post...in this vicinity pisskop is acting very obtuse. Not a fan of it.

Town reading dreal atm.

Note...I suspect BATORU up to this point but I'd almost want to vote it out just because of ALL THE FCUKING HYDRA SLIPS by Impoetic. FFS.

This post...Ha!

This post...

Dunnstral

gave pisskop a curse. Assuming the curse is 1 less vote to lynch...this could clear pisskop a bit.

This post Fire gave BATORU something.

This post...SOI received alert ability (??)

This post...pisskop sent Alert to Fire which ended up with SOI.

This post...AJ feels town to NC.

This post...AJ states his role is non-compulsive.

This post...AJ received

Gamma's

ping (Alert).

This post @BATORU...

Dunnstral

not being in danger of a lynch is why I don't put much weight in this vote either.

This post...pisskop has a new hood.

This post...pisskop gave curse back to

Dunnstral

.

This post...AJ knows

Dunnstral

has RB spell.

This post....smh

This post...lol at Prism for asking for towncred from D1 activities wrt

Dunnstral

.

This post...BTD protectred (doc'd)

Dunnstral

N1. 2009....lol at telling scum what to do.

This post...pisskop gave BTD (and someone else?) a gift.

This post...like

Fire's

thinking here.

This post....and

Dunnstral

takes 1 less vote to lynch. So pisskop probably town IMO.

Dunnstral

was RB'd so AJ looks town.

This post...

pisskop had a hood with BTD and townreads him for it. When did you have the hood with BTD pisskop? Did he mention anything about Prism being confirmed town?

This post NC has the ALERT (ping) spell.

This post OK...I have felt dreal is probably town for most of the game but I would like him to addres the 2028 quote and know why he doesn't look to see if BTD always is lurky. Considering meta is a strength of dreal's.

This post...pisskop has 0 spells. Gave BTD the hood.

This post

@NC...why is Prism town?

This post...NC having second thoughts on dreal's alignment but can't express why.

This post NC gave dreal Love spell N3. And gave alert to someone as well.

This post NC has spell (edit: Archane Theft) to steal a players spells. Started the game with it and it's non-compulsive.

This post gives me just a little pause for thought with my suspicions towards BATORU :/

This post NC received Alert and Travelers Blessing (Loved Spell) last night. Sent Alert to AJ and Blessing to dreal.

This post...

why has the Doc disappeared?

If BTD used it on

Dunnstral

N1 and it was compulsive...

Dunnstral

had to use it on someone N2. So it should still be floating out there. Most likely on scum. Stealing the Doc spell from someone would be a nice indictment on them.

This post @pisskop...

is this a legitimate claim or are you joking? Passive self watcher?

This post Prism claims to be mod confirmed town to BTD due to Call N1 given to BTD.......

@BTD...what was your spell called that you gave back to Prism that he did not receive/acknowledge? Can you confirm he is mod-confirmed town? Can the two of you elaborate on your neighborhood? Has your neighborhood expired yet? If not...does it ever?

[havingfitz]

@havingfitz: Wondering why your catchup didn't include the numerous other interactions between myself & Dunnstral & others, and why the first one listed already assumes I am mafia. In particular I didn't bother explaining my read to him because I was sure he was scum, and made repeated calls to people to reconsider him and give me reasoning to refute. Also, Gamma scumread me entirely because I said I liked RQS in a game that was ongoing. I flipped my read when I connected the dots that he knew I was scum in that game. This was the reason behind his force replace.

It was a 90+ page catchup. I couldn't talk about everything and your interactions with Dunnstral did not sway me to think you were town. And Gamma getting replaced out has nothing to do with your alignment afaict.

[havingfitz]

At Prism...can you explain how "Call" worked? Where does the mod confirmation come in? Did Call create a PT for you and BTD to talk in that includes comment from the mod indicating one of you is confirmed town? My slot, through redirection or something, created a PT with pisskop and it was not called Call and there was no confirming going on.

[havingfitz]

The issue with BTD6 and Fitz right now is

their clears seem to only be from each other

What are you talking about?

How am I clear and what does BTD matter with me? Is it because we both claim actions that were supposedly redirected?

If we assume scum has a redirector (as I do) we should lynch BTD. His no result on the Call spell is a bit suspect and worst case, if he flips town that would at least further clear Prism and I.

[havingfitz]

In fact...
VOTE: BTD

[havingfitz]

Didn't you say you investigated him and he did the same to you?

No. BTD and Prism exchanged a spell (Call) ...supposedly.

[havingfitz]

How would BTD's townflip clear you and why do you believe that's basis for a lynch?

It's not the basis for me wanting to lynch him. My catch up posts state I suspect you and BTD. I'm opting for BTD based on that and the disconnect with not being able to use the Call spell on Prism. If BTD flips town then his claim is true...therefore he was probably redirected somehow...similar to my hood target being redirected to pisskop, and it would also confirm Prism is telling the truth. Unless you think there is a town redirector who hasn't claimed having such a spell then the only alternative is scum has one. And why would scum redirect scum?

You're lynching for self-interest and information rather than trying to lynch scum is what it looks like to me here. It needs to stop.

No. As I mention above...BTD suspicions are based on my catch up and POE (see below). The disconnect with his spell exchange with Prism combined with potential information learned (in worst case) is why.

Scum leans:

That leaves me with BATORU and BTD as vote targets.

EBWOP changing "and vote" to "as vote".

[havingfitz]

Not Chara....who do you suspect other than pisskop? Do you suspect either dreal or BTD?

[havingfitz]

<crickets>

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3 days left....not sure a dreal lynch is gonna happen. I'm not interested in it. I assume he isn't. So everyone else would have to vote to make it to 6. BTD on the other hand can be lynched for the low price of 5 votes.

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dreal...not looking good for you. You need some compelling posting if you want to avoid your lynch today...even with the loved spell. I think you are at L-2 with the -2 equaling NC and AJ, who have both expressed willingness to vote you.

If I do not post in this game again before tomorrow...Merry Christmas to those of you you celebrate it.

[havingfitz]

BATORU...please do not replace out of this game. A 100+ pages of effort only to flake out and screw over the mod and your team (whatever alignment it might be) is pretty fucking sad. Especially this close to whatever the end might be.

VOTE: No lynch

[havingfitz]

If there was a no brainer scum to vote sure...but do you, AJ, have a scum read stronger than the one you had on drealmz?

Do 50:50 odds sound better than 40:60?

[havingfitz]

NTY I don't like Lylo. Pick someone, we're going fucking ham.

Why aren't you voting?

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Mod...is there a limit to the number of consecutive No Lynch and No Kills you would allow? And if there is...how would you resolve the matter?

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AJ, I do not have a huge problem with you lumping me in with the two positions I suspect the most but I do think its odd that given, as shown in my quote below, we agree with basically everything (aside from the merit of a No Lynch today).

That pretty much just leaves your meta read on Wisdom as the reason for suspecting me. Is that correct? FYI...I'm town.

And while I do not recall what Wisdom got so wrong while he was in the game...I would point out that people do in fact get shit wrong. Kind of like the decision to lynch drealmz yesterday and pass on a BTD lynch while it still would have had value either way 1) hitting scum or 2) confirming Prism as town. Which he can not be now without a mislynch.

I would still prefer a No Lynch today...because even if we hit scum today we'll be in the same boat tomorrow. We might as well reduce our odds of mislynching while we can. If it isn't going to be a No Lynch...the only players I would consider are BTD and to a much lesser extent....Grey.

Town Leans:

pisskop

(mainly for receiving the hated curse from scum N1 and giving back to scum N2)

AJ...was town reading ironstove ftmp and I do not think AJ would RB a scum partner, who I assume was submitting the NK, unnecessarily. Assuming scum!AJ would RB

Dunnstral

to get rid of the ability...their other partner could have still submitted the NK.
Prism fttb...I was possibly going to vote Prism after my catch up but the "mod-confirmed" claim has me on hold.

FMPOV that leaves 2 scum within Not Chara, BATORU, BTD and dreal.

I have felt dreal was town much of my read through and Not Chara I am on the fence atm with.

Scum leans:

That leaves me with BATORU and BTD and vote targets.

[havingfitz]

Fine...BTD today and if he's scum...town should push for NLT tomorrow.

VOTE: BTD