Mini 1856 - This Mafia Game is for pieguyn (Game Over)

[pisskop]

So they arent aligned?

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Im still not getting it.

You know we spent a good deal of time talking about multiiball, right?

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Again, why arent you even trying to spec or talk about spec.

In almost every case aero is scum. what is your opinion of hum again?


If I could get a mental hernia youd be giving me on right now.

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I frankly do not give the faintest of fucks what you think a confimred townie reacts like.

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that's L-1 and there's still a few things I want to look at before I'm ready for a hammer; someone unvote, please.

Why.

Hes fine where he is.

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What do you want to do today anyway? what hasnt been done today that will get done by waiting around?

self hammering only confirms multiball. but I cant unvote him anyway

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Im not voting him.

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okay.

but we could be talking about reads now. Unless you have some hood

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Is it?

did you not read or are you hoping nobody else can cakez

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I very literally, very explicitly called out wisodm and Varsoon in my hoodfs.

Bee and Dwe spent whole pages telling you guys not to do exactly what youre trying to do right now scumbag

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Did all you little shitstain lurkers just not read or what?

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You guys really arent hunh

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Just sit in your corner and do as youre told.

the thread space is for people with critical reading skills

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Like the hell did this game degenerate into 3 people talking and 4 people twirling their helicoptors?

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lets not set up lylo before we even get there pls

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did, you just steal my hamner

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pie, my play confed me.

my play kept today rolling.

my play provided us with interactions.

and my play will let us win.


dont you try to pretend im tunneling you or too stupid to lylo. THAT is deplorable, that you have such a high haughty stick up there that you'd deign to tslk down to me

[pisskop]

its been this all day. all game.

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9:2:2
10:3
10:2:1
9::3:1

what who and why

[pisskop]

its okay

its a game <3

fiery heart best heart

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srs, gg aero?

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Presuming the scum cannot kill at all its either some 3p(?) or a traitor.

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What if it was a 10:3 setup with a traitor. and 2. one two confed townies.

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(That was at pisskop)

Pie's fairly right. except we should be considering her as no longer confed. because a traitor claiming backup ICis brilliant.

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Im thinkifying.

But if we lynch cakez and he is town, we can trust his results.
If we lynch nadhia and pie can conf herself then we really just lynch people at random?

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Implying you ever were considering her confed................????????????

implying that now theres more precedent to the claim she isnt.

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I do not want to fight you guys over this.

I dont see her as town, you think she is, lets just talk about it.

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How long do you think people will continue to disagree with me?


Do you have any response to the idea that its a traitor or like a lyncher or something?


Would a lyncher keep the game going?

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I dont think so.


The last scum hasnt killed. Probably cannot. Ergo traitor.
This means that any of cakez results are worthless. We do know that he is getting them though, so he isnt lying.

The question is what role does the scumteam benefit most from?

tracker? perhaps
blocker? maybe
Magicn conftown that isnt really conftown? yes.

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Thats the mindfuck, pie

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You can though. Why would you say you cant.

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Do Do Do Dodoot do Doot DooT DooT Do

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scum refused to kill all game to frame pie

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soo not an ic?

:/

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p:
oh. get a custom title

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if i got you to admit you were, in fact, not a magic pIxelated pony Child I would nominate myself for a 'truthsayer' scummi

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but you knew that already, because it fits contextually. you just like jerking us around

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more words from pie that sound good but dont mean anything.

id br lyjng if i said i was willing to ignore the very real chance you. a competent wellspoken player, could have claimed ic, knowing or not that an ic existed, and floated to a v.
.because you could keep the ic alive, you

did

keep them alive, and i have personally endgamed ICs before as scum

[pisskop]

i told you im not going to fight you.

its not worth the angst.

just remember that every time we lynch and it flips town, the likelyhood of somebody else waking up increases.

cakez can see the chance. luna admits it could be. you have still offered nothing that can make me ignore the high chance you are scum.


setup spec says you arent and ic
how the game played out suggests you could be a traitor.
part of being a traitor is identifying your buddys and getting them tp use a power on you.

hell, its looking like aero was the omly killsource this game. for all we know they did tfy to recruit you. and got blocked

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so no pie.

i dont see it. and after you used aero to gut the hoods snd waste. our time im more than happy pushing you. Town had autonwon. i want use to sutowin earlier, but i can wait until later

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stip takjngbit personally

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if youre going to take your toys make sure you also go home pie.

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ive never heard of a player quitting mafia because people thought they were scum.


"i submitted a petition to the bill on capital hill to reverse the establishtation of this new confederation".

what a shit thing to even say mary sue.

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at least now youre playing the game.

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how fucking stuck up your own ass yoh are pie.

ive attempted at every step to have a dignified talk wih you and you e beem mothing but a selfish snide egotistical bitch.

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so now we come to the part where we policy lynch based upon n fake mary sue feelz.

at least now is the time to do it. her before lylo please

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little mary sue go bleet elsewhere buhbye

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I've been wondering if this game was advertised as bastard since I forgot to check that before pre inning.

Like i dont even, i highly doubt im lucky enough to be blocking the NK every single day, and considering it's obvious bee wasnt making it, I also find it very hard to believe scum just isnt or cant NK.

The wifom of not killing is nowhere near as beneficial as not having to ML 67 people to win.

Youd have to present a good reason to not kill the blocker and then not kill the tracker.
Or not kill either one of our

two

three confed townies

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excuse me?

im the rude one? her response to being scumread is to quit playing bit not replace. and im rude?

you go to that emotional 7year old and tell her to get over herself. i bet doing the internet equuvalent pf fainting and then blaming it on a black magic spell has got her this far but dont yulou enqble it

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as faras im concerned she xan pit.me.on ignore, heavens knows

im

not going to bend around little miss sunshine.

dont you excuse the polite insults shes been hurling all game as somehow above reproach

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traitor

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if pie wanted to signal scum one of the best ways isto sink a Townie. wis is a bit of an easy D1 target. he always has been


im not drunk im phone posting. new phone is too big, by a little

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your right about me being rude.

its easy to get agitated at pies continuous attacks at people who disagree with them

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I know how traitors work. It's not like this.

???

yes it is.

scum is either nokilling to frame pieguyn or a traitor who wasnt inductes as a full scum member

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i know facetiousness doesnt show up well in text.

i. not tunneling her. im more than willing to poe this game. SHEs making tjis about my insistentmce that she be included on said poe

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if you were to quote the amount of times i told her i dont want to fight her over this andthe amountnof times she spit in my face with her words you couldngo out for à nice dinner with your spouse

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this wagon should help us poe.

he doesnt think about it. which is why he. the magic d1 vt, should be tge first to go

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he thinks good scum strats is outing my buddies who i had implicit knowledge of them lying

bro i knew v and w were lying and ergo scum. i could have told them to kill beeboy and recruit.me.

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instead i outed them

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this wagon should help us poe.

he doesnt think about it. which is why he. the magic d1 vt, should be tge first to go

The only reason I'd claim VT as scum is if I'm a Ninja who can kill while still appearing as a VT.

ninjas fail thr. op and gunsmith check. and jailers

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explain why i outed Wis and Var when the real route a scum traitor inthe hood would yake is toout my alignment and get beeboy killed and

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Mr 'day 1 vca is legit', take a step and explain why i wouldnt out myself in the hood for recruitment.


holy shit gamma.

what are to possible setups rn?

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i cannot walk you through evrryhing.


scun is either nokilling or unable to kill.

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if unable to kill its a traitor or blacklisted role. hsnds down a special role or traitor

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im sick of your poor pushes on me gamma. really am. a little forthought and you couldnhave come to this conclusion yourself

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cakez vote on me was oppurtunistic, but im more comfortable with gamma being town

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Regardless of whether pisskop says anything or not, we know from pisskop's role PM that Varsoon and Wisdom are scum. Once he's dead it's not like he needs to worry about towntelling more.

If anything, them claiming that demonstrates pisskop isn't on a team with them; he coulda told Varsoon and Wisdom that his role contradicts a claim of being in a hood together. pisskop can only be scum if he's a traitor.

But if he is scum with them, he has to bus them based on his role. If he flips, then V and W are confscum for fakeclaiming a neighborhood.

are tou willfully not getting it?

i didnt have to out the hoods, i didnt have to out v and w, i didnt have yo claim. i could have claimed in.my night hood and get beeboy killed.

your reaching so harf

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Also, last night was the perfect time for me to kill if I was scum.

SCUM CANT KILL IT PROVES NOTHING

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holy shit gamma

one hood was a day hood.
one way a night hood.
and you h
just contradicted yourself.

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i just cant.

gamma i dont even care if you're going hypocritically tunnel me with.moomlogic and then call me tunneling pie.

you need to lay out a plan for order of lynching

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you need to explain why you think scum CAN kill but HASNT
because you seem to tjink so

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its really not suicide to claim backup ic who cant invoke modconfing if the main ic does.

not as a traitor. it makes you a more valuable kill, it geta you townread, it does a lot to the wincon

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like in a.game where ic is around most the game you can ride the roleclaim right through.

you said my role.obligated me to out scum despite it.not, do you not see how a fakeclaim like backup ic would help scum?

they could even refuse to claim like nadhia did. why not?



but, again. why do.you think scum is refusing to kill instead of unable.to?


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yea nadhia is tow

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once we establish why you think scum can kill but chooses not to im surr i can show you why im unlikely to be scum

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how does that benefit them though?

killing the tracker and blocker shuts that down, and 3 mislynches is waay easier than 6

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scum COULD maybe hypothetically not killed for the wifom, but the DEFINITELY optimal scenario of night killing outweighs that.

cakez hardclaimed early and luna outed their NAs so killing makes way more sense

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like just because protons decay at a rate of 10x-31sq years doesnt mean its above a practically zero to happen today

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sure

i dont think we have anything to lose but time

VOTE: Scarlett

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EXCEPT I HAVENT SO YET HAVE I

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this is 'not for a while', hunh.

you realize with 4p it takes 3 to lynch.

4p is not lylo either is it.

pies push is awful and reeks of future planning

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my theory is that scun cant bring 2 'townies' into lylo. so one has to be bumped off.

what better way to further ones win con than to policy a townie who scumreads you

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they havent made 1single itsy bitsy kill all game. not a kill

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did mod ever respond wrt: happy ever after?

bet not. you know why?

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aldo inb4 the most glorious arson ever

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just imagine 5 people bursting into flames

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he was so obviously scum we didn't lynch him? i dispise when people make stuff like that up.

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like i didnt justs scum read him.

i called him out in the hood in such a way that even of i died beeboy could report it with 100℅ certainty. there was no 'coming back' from that. that would be permanently sinking v and w

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So Cakez is willing to lynch pk it seems.

are you kidding me?

do you purposely not read or context? cakez was in my eagon you asshat

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noo i cannot fathom why an arson wouldnt kill the tracker

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cakez why is pie/pk a 1v1

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pie seems to think id be the one 1v1ing us, but lo

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just fuck up into the corner.

'i had to bus because i called his lie'

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i cannot actually believe youre not taking the piss

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we arent lynching me cuz im a meanie

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have you all lost your minds?

poe it. theres simply no wai i am scum.

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nevermind that i hard defended wisdom day1 before he claimed neighbor with v.

i outed his shit flat. 180

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you know, you could join the club, but no girls aloud

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we arent having luna block you until lylo
thats bad

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it doesn't matter who they block there is no killer left so all that does is confuse the game

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its REALLY not as if scum didny kill every single day to spite you

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We could no lynch to reemphasize the point.

We have all the time in the world. Lets see if we cant try to pressure some kill out.

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Plus, if they do kill it would almost have to be the tracker or nahdia. And if Aidhan was killed then pie could conf and we really could live happily ever after

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VOTE: no lynch

whatever floats the boats

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Plus, if they do kill it would almost have to be the tracker or nahdia. And if Aidhan was killed then pie could conf and we really could live happily ever after

You're the entire fucking reason we can't just clear out all of {GE, Cakez, Luna} and be done with this game.

You have no right to sit here and soapbox about what "optimal" play is, you don't even know how to play.

excuse me pie?

no im more than happy to lynch down the line to a win. you want to?


and you know what? i will simply ignore your petty, immature hissy fitz from now on.

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im not willing to fight you over this. really not

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VOTE: gamma

a trsitor. gamma being a "vt" is where id look

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who do we lynch?

i think we're one nl from a happy ending, btdubs

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So a block would incriminate them when they havent killed once?



Thats not how that works

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my issue wuth your supposed thought train is that if you thought that scum was holding back their kill you should. be trying to force them to kill or happy ending

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you arent because..?

their wincon is to kill and if you have a tracker powera you should want to use that to prove the killer

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especially when he won't listen to anything I say anyway even if I *was* to confirm myself.

pisskop?

im not the one besmeerching peoples good mafia name.

i have, multiple times, explained my position on pie. if shes town shenis town.

she.keepsnon insisting that this magic gulf exists between us and that im tunneling her.

besides, she knows that me refusing to conf her comes from good experience

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yea. theres been mothing stopping us from lynching by the numbers - but pie's refusal

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scum cannot kill; luna's role does nothing

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lol.

but

none

of the sxum-us' would have a reason to nk

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,

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le sigh.

I dont think blocking proves anything because scum cant kill

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But sure.

cakez is a lynch

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Well, we could always happily ever after.

Ive kinda always wanted to do that.

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pie attempt to over control the game is noted i hope

VOTE: cakez

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DOM!!

can you bulletpoint what u know thus far?

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We arent just haha lynching dom.

Nadhia, you still think pie is town?

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do you plan to push a nahdia lynch dom

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Well, assuming scum cant kill and we have 2 confs we can just lynch down to a win.

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But when I suggested it back a few days ago I was putting it out for completionisms sake. I didnt think wed consider it.

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I dont like this push on Dom from Pie.

its giving me real creeps

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Ive told you she would find reasons to one by one take down people

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Because, I suspect, pie needs to survive the endgame

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You know, if she wants to win she has to be the sole survivor.

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Ima survivor
Im not gon' give Aa
Im not gon' stop Aa
Im gon' work Harder

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yawn

pie is spreadin misinfo again

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pie needs to confirm themselves as town - or i wont conftown them.

they know this

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why dont you read the game or somethin
maybe actually do the job you signed up for

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i do think that scumpie would be in a fantastic position.

ive told the game that pie keeps murdering conftownies like my hood mates and keeps trying to kill me, the guy who literally fingered both scum fir lying

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and i also told her that her insults, actual insults, are unacceptable behavior. she hurls them nit because she claims i am scum but because i wont townread the backup backup innocent child maybe magic pony.

kind of how she wants to rope me explicitly because i dont conf her and because

, I honestly would lynch him solely because I would not be able to live with myself if I let him win

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go read beeboy and dwelee, Dom.

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Ive told you I wouldnt just lolvote.

But you dont want to listen, too easy to be a victim hunh pie

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This is why Pie is scum.

Shes trying to turn the game into a drawn out match where she can buddy up to one conftown and kill the other.

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And you know what?

Nobody cares if 'you cant live with me winning' or whatever shit reason you are using to justify this push on me.


The truth of it is if we reach lylo and Nad, Piss, and Pie are alive weve got a small issue in that one of us is a liar.

Is it the Innocent child who can confirm themselves?
Is it the guy whio literally fingered out the scumteam as a liar?
Is it the backup innocent child who isnt confirmed as anything?


Ill give you a hunt. Its the last one.

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gendered*

What fucking ever pie.

Live in your little world.

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If you have an issue with my play you know how to either report it like a mary sue or replace out.

bye pie.

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by pie

not 'say more shit with your mouth parts pie'

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go read the game dom.

dont take the word of this piece of work.

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beeboy painfully spells it out and dwe confirms it independently

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hey, guess who pie had immediately murdered to prevent all the conftowns?

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ima catch you.

we can lynch whomever, but youve been railing against the idea of a lylo with somebody who suspects you since you heard about it.

i can only see scum planning for lylo like there was no nk while claiming there was an nk but scum was simply not.doing it

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there you go dom.

the closer we get to lylo the morr obvious it will have to be.

the only person who can think they have a chance to win shoupd be pie.

the only person who is manipulating the game in a fashion so as to make the game harder to solve is pie.

id be happy if nahdia could admit the liklihood of pie being a scumlord cuz then id know she couldnt reach scum wincon no matter what

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oh hey i just remembered i have a bomb and pie tried to get Domslot visit me.

lol

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i don't recall reading that, but im glad you want to find policy reasons to lynch me.

because if you did townewad a player like me in this situation you would leave them and lynch the others confident that the nahdia/pie/ pk township would prevail since lylo.would be impossible.

but it isnt impossible for you. is it?

you haven to get to lylo to win dont you pie? so you have to push a policy lynch

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mmmmm

VOTE: pieguyn

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ate.

bye pie you now die

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if there is one thing i hope nad nows by now its how i play scum versus town.


hell GE saw me as both by now and dom saw what i looked like as scum

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the only one who hasnt would be you pie.

but you dont need to. you are driving down the policy avenue.

i guess it must be trying to be the last desperate scum who accidentally pushed your buddies and never got inaugurated into thenproper scumteam

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bye you egocentric thing.

bye you poor loser

bye mary

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i want you to remember that YOU are the one with thr incessant personal attacks.

YOU began the jnsults

and YOU keep doing it in order to manipulate the game.


fucking filth. lonely internet filth who relies upon invisible friends who live as mere binary representations of things

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hows that?

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bye.

dont you have work or friends or something to leech off?

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im done here.

you have my opinion and vote.

she dies or you find rope without me

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not your shit again ge.

i chose to out my role i chose to call them liars i chose to damn the scum.

if i were scum itd be a shit move.

and once i did so yesbi would have to keep doing so even as scum.


but you arent getting it for some ridiculous reason. if i were scum its a shit move.

all of mafia is ifs and buts you fucking moron

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youre shit at mafia ge


go back whereever you came from.
.why are you notvoting pie?

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yea, and what part of 'traitors need to first id their budies then get them to.murder them onto the team' is too complex for you?

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if pie or wis cannot id the other then it may as well be as if they are not on the same team

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its like you like in a tiny box ge

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THERES NO NiGHT KiLL EXPLAIN THAT YOU STUPID FUCK

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like holy shit. ge i honesty find you an annoyong player.

you are shit at mafia and end up scumreading me for the dumbest reasons and have the most narrow mind for a player

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you understand that traitorsbaee still red scum right? why would the game be called by now asshat

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Traitors are not endgamed all time.

Theres not one particular correct definition of traitor. The normal definition says they are endgamed. this isnt normal. we have a missing kill and for you to discount the occam's razor solution is blindly terribad.

We arent talking about a vig anymore, because he was immediately lynched. the wincons are worded the way they are for a reason.

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Explain the missing kill in a way that isnt conspiratorially stupid. If you cant then you cannot dismiss traitor. Im working off the assumption that the last scum is a traitor.

Working off that assumption, scum doesnt know who the traitor is and trairtor doesnt know who the scum is.

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In theory theres no reason to endgame a nonkiller scum just because a vig exists.

Unless it was 1v1. But in that case its usually a tie.

In all other cases, even a 3p lylo, the game procedes. Nonwhere in common wincons does it state 'but if town has more kpn than you you lose' or 'if you possess more kpn than the scums you win'.

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Explain the missing kill in a way that isnt conspiratorially stupid. If you cant then you cannot dismiss traitor. Im working off the assumption that the last scum is a traitor.

Working off that assumption,

scum doesnt know who the traitor is and trairtor doesnt know who the scum is.

That's not how traitor works. Traitors are ALWAYS informed of their scumbuddies.

ITS NOT A NORMAL GAME AND NO THEY ARENT YOU JERKASS

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Narrow minded douche.

Explain the no kills. stop trying to force your dumbass narrow minded crap over to me. Do not want.

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Its like talking to a child or something.

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NO YOU FIND ME A SOLUTION TO THE NO KILLS

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youre defending pie even though she hasnt done anything more than the rest of us.

Even less in fact.

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SPEC ANOTHER SOLUTION TO THE NO KILLS

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Holy shit.

Im done with you. Go sit in the Pieguyn corner.

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You are trying to disprove my own theory instead of putting foreword a coherent one of your own.

you dont have one that works. which is why youre a fucking moron.


P:

THEY COULD FUCKING KILL DOM SCOT FREE

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At least you tried.

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nahdia.

time to play again

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Dom or Pie
Reveal or 3rd option?

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stop spamming

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this push reeks

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nadhia

what do we do. as the ic you choose

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where is gamma.

ive been picking up extra hours at work. and now ive been family-dragged into building a commercial enterprise. because lulz



i ever tell you i hate my job though? i extorted a raise though by threatening to leave

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√in

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iguess?

it was never ib question except from dom

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We can cross bridges if we come to them.

I suppose we always knew this would be how it ended up.

gamma, you still not scum?

[pisskop]

VOTE: gamma

Ill still take some schadenfreude at your death

[pisskop]

fuck u oiw

[pisskop]

pie*

[pisskop]

you know full well i consider gamma/you 50℅ scum

[pisskop]

hammer or vote me.

[pisskop]

Im home with my family for the day.

I started to type out a long paragraph about how I wasnt scum, and then realized thats what'd Id do as scum.


Ill have a catchup post for whatever was said tonight, but for now I'm glad the game isnt over yet, cuz then we'd lose.

VOTE: pieguyn

Nahdia, its about more than simply: 'is pisskop acting like town or not' or 'would pie do this or that as scum'. Although it is about those.
Lets look at safe claims, at meta, at recent history rolling what.

[pisskop]

:<

But thats who I am.

Smarm and charm rhyme

[pisskop]

Okay.

So Im kind of but not really here.


I see a lot of spam from pie. I can only expect she wants to close out strong. pie was always strong-spirited. Its why effort=/=alignment.


Why I am town:

- I just rolled scum in like 2 of my last 3 games. -> odds are heavily against it mechanically.
- I caught Wis and outed Varsoon. -> did we forget that Bboy and dwelee happened? They go out of their way to explain how I outed the hood and was hunting with my role.
- I am not acting like my scum game. and even pie has admitted it. dont think, at least. the curse of self-meta and all. Self-meta is a bad practice for many reasons, but you are a poor neutral observer of yourself.
- I am putting in

effort

into this. Normally effort is something I save for school and the gym.


Why is Pie scum:

- Holy hell.
- Her claim was guaranteed untestable due to mechancis.
- - Stay with me here. there has been no scumkill this game. We know a red maf is around. Traitor is the most likely suspect. A pie-traitor who was surfing for inauguration into the scumteam (by being killed traitors can be made 'full' scum, usually) goes and sinks the strong LG but weakish EG player wisdom in order to raise a giant flag that outs herself to anyone who knows her and is looking for a traitor. That flips scum, and then she is stuck with it.
Luckily for her, her claim of backup IC lets her literally skate to the endgame unchallenged. Except for me.

- Her play has been opportunistic. She's killed the hood because she needed to reduce the number of confirmed townies. She's tried several times to suggest (but slyly not push for) a Policy Lynch on me for being me. She's been goading people, regularly insults people for suspecting her, and constantly underplays the value of the contributions of the other players compared to her.
- The game was DESIGNED to piss off Pie. Would being a traitor scum piss her off more or would being a backup ic with a second ic in reserve piss her off more? Yea, traitor.
- the setup makes a second confirmed townie almost abhorrent to the idea of balance. Lets look. We have

1. Fruit vendor
   
2. 2 VT neighbors
   
3. 1 multi-hood neighbor
   
4. a town vig
   
5. an innocent child with the option to out at day
   
6. a roleblocker
   
7. a tracker
   
   
8. 2 scum Goon Neighbors with no special powers
   
9. a mysterious scum with no kill powers and a safe claim
   
   Quick. balance that game out for anything other than a town win.

[pisskop]

The claim was sus from the start
The play was oppurtunistic and designed to draw attention
The play backfired
The safe claim kept her in the game
The ates, her strong suit, have been everywhere
And now, at the endgame she fought almost tooth and nail to avoid, is here, and she can spam to a V?

nadhia. I may not be eloquent like Pie, but look at the facts and try to leave the emotions aside for a moment.

[pisskop]

You can show me the math.

Lets be generous.

33% of a game is scum.
33% of the time you roll scum in 1 game.
0.33*0.33 % of the time you roll scum in 2 games
0.33*0.33*0.33 %of the time you do it three times.

I dont know why Im engaging you though. Since youre scum you have nothing to lose by refuting and spaming. But Im pretty sure you knew this.

[pisskop]

Nadhia.

theres nothing to be gained from pie v. I because we know one of us is scum. There are no more associations to be made. One of us, the town one, gets nothing from bickering with the other. The scum gets to demean, devalue, and fallicy their way through the other.

Dont expect me to do it

[pisskop]

What a twist, but thats bastard