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VOTE: MM4

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Massclaim of hoods seems pointless today. Scum are already more "connected" than town and they will be for the game's duration. Aren't we just giving them a map.

We have a week-long day one. It's a reasonable amount of time for us to form not-reachy reads if we keep pace.

if we don't massclaim hoods there will be hugely stretching town/scum cases on people and the game will be extremely confusing.

Quite a leap imo

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You're not wrong but it seems pointless to have these neighborhoods just to start with massclaiming them


I think there's a way to utilize the mechanics to town benefit. Just going with what seems instinctively "correct" right off the bat really isn't something that's appealing


Like, this is a question we have to answer at this second? I don't think so

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so, what do y'all think of massclaiming hoods?

Really my only issue is that you had to start with this out of the gate

Meh, even if you don't agree with what MM is saying, would scum really stick their neck out this early like this?

It's not like I intended quicklynching. Rope is in this season, Mario's probably comfortable.



Why don't we lynch... you?

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That was intended more for beeboy.

Do you still want to lynch you tho?

so, what do y'all think of massclaiming hoods?

Really my only issue is that you had to start with this out of the gate

Why is that bad? Usually I nitpick at little things to get out of RVS. In this game, we have something to discuss to avoid that, and although I was planning to say it to get the game started and reactions, I thought about it and I like the idea.

Sometimes a central discussion lets scum blend in by "discussing". They can just flow right in to the game by talking about the same thing we're talking about.



Not that it's too big of a deal

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Really my only issue is that you had to start with this out of the gate

What did you find problematic about that?

so, what do y'all think of massclaiming hoods?

Really my only issue is that you had to start with this out of the gate

Why is that bad? Usually I nitpick at little things to get out of RVS. In this game, we have something to discuss to avoid that, and although I was planning to say it to get the game started and reactions, I thought about it and I like the idea.

Sometimes a central discussion lets scum blend in by "discussing". They can just flow right in to the game by talking about the same thing we're talking about.



Not that it's too big of a deal

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Jesus Christ it's page two


That was Narna I swear to god

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It was definitely not zach

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so, what do y'all think of massclaiming hoods?

Really my only issue is that you had to start with this out of the gate

This seems like backing down from what you originally said, which was that claiming hoods is pointless when scum already have the informational advantage. Why?

Really my only issue [with Mario] is that [he] had to start with saying that out of the gate is how that should sound.

I still maintain the same position on the massclaim topic.

Meh, even if you don't agree with what MM is saying, would scum really stick their neck out this early like this?

It's not like I intended quicklynching. Rope is in this season, Mario's probably comfortable.



Why don't we lynch... you?

For what reason?

The question is what reason is there not to?

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Like I really don't get how the timing is an issue for you unless you think there's some other time when it would have been better for him to bring it up.

Well I did say not right at the start


It's pointless to discuss that now is what I mean because we've already made it a discussion. But it was really not a significant point to press in the first place. I did it anyway. Plus I got his reasoning out of it too.

Scum can 'blend' the same way in theoretical discussions whenever they're started.

Sure, but usually that's not the only thing they've posted at that point.


How people enter the game is important imo. If all you have to do to make a normal fluid entrance into the game is take a side on one thing that everyone else is talking about then you don't have to force a whole lot. Ideally I want scum to be uncomfortable as possible.

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Offer an opinion of some kind or you will be sat down for a permanent length of time

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Who owns the neighborhood? Because if Treble is lying and also owns the neighborhood, I wouldn't necessarily trust whomever gets brought in to verify.

How does Treble lying correlate with you trusting who they bring into the neighborhood, unless they're scum?

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I was thinking out loud. Treble could bring in whoever they wanted since they have a weighted vote. But it's kinda silly really since I doubt scum!Treble would invite their own scum buddy in to verify, since we'd have the scum team outed right there if it didn't work out.

Can you elaborate on the end? What is the chain of events where it doesn't work out?

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Can you elaborate on the end? What is the chain of events where it doesn't work out?

Hypothetically, scum!Treble recruits their scum buddy, together they push the narrative that Jason is the real scum. If somehow Jason becomes confirmed town or at least puts up a better argument somehow, then the scum team is pretty much out in the open. But even if Jason is killed and flips town, they still don't look good. So for this reason, I don't think it's a strategy scum!Treble would use.

If Jason were killed and flips town that would confirm scum!Treble and their partner, on the contrary

That's why it isn't viable at all really, that hypothetical



I've thought Jason was genuine. I'm factoring in the "aggression to towntell" thing but there's people that post like that.

It seems like a genuine misunderstanding. Treble, you were expecting him to think you were dumb enough to scumslip in your neighborhood?

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No, I was expecting him to respond in a way that acknowledged that we were very likely trolling. Not total confusion as to the possibilities. It wasn't super scum indicative, it's just one of many scummy things.

I don't particularly care what you think is genuine because this site as a whole has absolutely no clue how to read aggression or emotionality and I wouldn't take your word for it.

I expected you to take my word or something? LOL

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Don't like Jason wagon at this point. Some scummy stuff about him but says to me him vs Treble is TvT.


VOTE: GinghamDog

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And I read the whole "THIS SITE HAS NO CLUE HOW TO READ AGGRESSION OR EMOTIONALITY" thing when it was posted

JW seems pretty authentic to me. reminds me of KidAmn town game . Of course I know scum fake these things

Not enough to foster a hard scumread on him right now. But the way he's playing opens him up if he's scum so I'm not really concerned?

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I only have an eye of who's posted and I want to have my vote on who I can consider a sr at this point


Nothing personal




"Do you want to lynch you?" Is a largely useless question. I wasn't pushing you seriously before


I want beeboy and edo to post more. I want Zulfy to post. I have trs on MM4 Jason and Treble right now. Sobolev Space hasn't necessarily made a negative impression on me.


I just think you've played a pretty safe game here. You ask a lot of questions and your stances are safe. I don't know you or how you play so I'm just going off what I feel from your posts total.




It's also pretty early for me to be actually tunneling anyone.

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Edos is also an okay vote for me. Zulfy probably not rn

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Edos is also an okay vote for me. Zulfy probably not rn

Explain this. Both have done nothing.

Not true. Zulfy has a post saying he wasn't going to do anything at the moment. I don't think it's scummy from him.


Edosurist's vote on beeboy with context was weird. The fact that he said nothing else can go either way.

Don't like Jason wagon at this point.

How do you dislike the wagon but TR both people voting him?

Town can't drive town wagons?

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Honestly I might have said that to anyone but I know him so it's even more pointless to push him over something NaI at this point to me

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But I do want posting from him. Like I didn't expect not posting but it's not like he's going to remain quiet

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something. Fwiw if I had a second vote it would be on WritersBloque. Something about their posts keep gut pinging me and their responses to my questions haven't been enough to convince me their content isn't faked.

A little drunk rn but will review Mario v Jason in the morning.

Hopefully this game picks up after the weekend because this is zzzzz

Well what a coinky-dink. I wanted to vote you too.

their responses to my questions haven't been enough to convince me their content isn't faked.

So if we wrote our posts a certain way you wouldn't think they're fake?

Basically.. what scum is supposed to do?

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GOd dammit I was supposed to vote you first. You have destroyed my theatricals


prepare for your end


VOTE: Sobolev Space

VOTE: WritersBloque

So if we wrote our posts a certain way you wouldn't think they're fake?

Basically.. what scum is supposed to do?

Yes. Good scum can make natural sounding read progressions and content. This is why scum hunting should be multi-dimensional.

This is what I was saying. You reacting this way defeats the purpose. The premise of us not convincing you our posts are real is based on us having lazy scum play.

Posts I didn't like from you:
28 with later explanations 31, 47 and 61 not very convincing

I can't really find fault with you not liking the way posts are posted unless you have a specific problem with what's stated... you're not convinced I believe what I say? You're not convinced it's right? You're not convinced the statements are grounded in something tangible?

54 with later backing off in 173

I don't see what you related in these two.

VOTE: WritersBloque


154 and 155 hedging on Jason (although I did like the last line of 155)

This was because Treblesome asserted

Like, if I make a list of the times that scum!FA has pulled the exact same progression on someone that was scumreading them, right down to the outright hostility, and been called town for it, will that change people's views? With all the times everyone's said nah she's town, she wouldn't do that as scum, the spite and rage is towny, it's universal. Your read here is statistically bad.
Jason's behaviour is not towny and it's explicitly not towny in a way that I'm used to people townreading in spite of it. Jasonwazza's play up to this point does not deserve to be townread.
If it's going to be called a null to look back after I'll take it but if everyone's going to townread him then I don't really have an option to double down because I don't like losing to people who play like this.

Am I saying that everyone who is aggressive like this is scum? fuck no. I hard townread Jason in his last game with me and he ended up getting mislynched, not by me.
But I'm very, very used to people doing exactly what Jason is doing as scum and winning so I have to make a very

big deal

out of this.

this. I know it wasn't addressed at me I just wanted to make clear that I looked at the whole Treble vs Jason and this stuff and my read there right now is well founded IMO. Jason hasn't done enough stuff though I will admit. This game's a little quiet

158 just feels like a weird justification for a vote

It was how I justified it. The reason I haven't invested into that vote is because I don't believe it to hold that much weight anymore.

Posts like those below have been somewhat of an explanation to most of my initial reasons to scumread her:

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Because I don't know what your alignments are. The whole point of discussing those details is to figure that out. If I had to guess, I'd say this is town vs town, as most early arguments are.

It amounts to IIOA which is a scumtell for a reason. I note that you're like not incorporating any details of this into your read, you're just 'whoops this is town v town because early argument.'

That's beyond being shitty, surface level reasoning.

Yea, I'm not very good or experienced at mafia. Not all of us are in half the games on this site like you are.

I'm not the type to speculate on alignments until a bit later in the day when I have more to go on. And what's IIOA?

Poor choice of words in my last sentence. I'm saying that scum would be more likely to flirt around with the most likely wagons to be lynched, and less likely to stay on one person consistently.

I just think you've played a pretty safe game here. You ask a lot of questions and your stances are safe. I don't know you or how you play so I'm just going off what I feel from your posts total.

That's just how my early play is. I'm always a late bloomer, gaining more confidence and conviction as more clues are available. My Day 1 scum-hunting is pretty garbage I'll admit.

Plus, scum usually don't want to be seen tunneling a townie, because they look all the worse after the flip.

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? You act like I put you as lock scum. Even you said I outlined why that doesn't really mean anything, and I said you weren't someone I was genuinely pushing especially since you explained your thought processes.


Sobolev isn't scum for the case on me, she's just scum. It feels like she was trying to set me up for a push as in; I don't think the progressions are genuine. That "case" can justify a vote on me but without further explanation which I'll get at some point it's completely hollow.

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I don't see what you related in these two.

Shit meant 64 there my bad. Will respond to the rest when I have more time.

This is what I thought you meant but I already addressed this when you asked me about it before.

You act like I took a hardline stance on Zulfy then 180'd. It's not the case. You've said you know I wasn't calling him scum with that initial post. All things considered you can't even get anything AI from our interaction and my "backing off". You have to stretch something a little.

So again I'm not sure whether or not you have an issue with my explanations and if so, what? Is it how I word things or is my meaning unclear?


Or if my explanations just need to be scummy so we can be pushed

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okay I'm exaggerating a little but yeah

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I was using those posts to say why I TR you kinda now

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I worded the end of that post really poorly. The scumread doesn't hold weight anymore because I think you're town because my initial reasons to scumread you can be explained (I can attribute what I consider scummy behavior to actually be play that lines up with what you've said)

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YOU KNOW YOU FUCKED UP RIGHT?

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TIMMY CANT WISH THIS ONE AWAY. . .

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Spoiler: Sobolev_Scum

This is what I was saying. You reacting this way defeats the purpose. The premise of us not convincing you our posts are real is based on us having lazy scum play.

I mean, if something doesn't look like it comes from town or tryharding scum then Occam's Razor says it comes from lazy scum sure. All cases are based on scum not playing perfectly, because if they played perfectly they would look town.

I mean when you apply Occam's Razor as a way to dismiss having to reasonably defend something with context, then you can use it so you literally never have to explain anything. You were basically asserting our scum game is so weak we get noticed the first few pages or I was explaining something wrong -- wait... we'll get to that

All cases are based on scum not playing perfectly, because if they played perfectly they would look town.

This is so general though and you're applying it right here. Your position basically started off as you were trying to sort me and my responses were unsatisfactory for some reason so basically it boils down to me not explaining properly or you having another problem. LET'S GET INTO THAT:

Posts I didn't like from you:
28 with later explanations 31, 47 and 61 not very convincing

I can't really find fault with you not liking the way posts are posted unless you have a specific problem with what's stated... you're not convinced I believe what I say? You're not convinced it's right? You're not convinced the statements are grounded in something tangible?

I mean all of the above. It sounds like you threw out an explanation for your early suspicion of Mario to distance yourselves from others who were skeptical of him (i.e. Jason). Then when you were pressed on it you couldn't go in enough depth to make it look like it was something you really believed or had thought through.

Gee except you never said this though... let's revisit your initial post:

Something about their posts keep gut pinging me and their responses to my questions haven't been enough to convince me their content isn't faked.

This is a really ambiguous statement. At the time the implication to me here was you either have a vague read or a very specific one. Wait.. I guess we know what it is now, because once we started engaging, you literally now have several "reasons" to SR me in the post above. Like you picked "all of the above" multiple choice reasons to scumread us. If we were actually that scummy you wouldn't have made such a vague open to interpretation post here. It literally looks like you were trying to sort me (with the questions), this post here says that something is unclear, the correct procedure should be to interact with me to clarify what specifically is wrong with my posts. But it looks like you just doubled down as to not reverse your stance and put me as scum. I said before it reads like you were setting up to push me. Like you questioned me, I just answered the questions. It appears you had a problem with HOW I answered the questions, but rather than press that specifically, you just skip over that entire step and put me as scum. I don't feel like you actually sorted.

1. "It sounds like you threw out an explanation for your early suspicion of Mario to distance yourselves from others who were skeptical of him (i.e. Jason)."

discredit. This is clearly a unique setup, the first thing I expect someone to do is not "hey lets massclaim who were in a hood with". Even if it's a nonissue that's not what a entrance should be imo. But I asked him and he clarified his thought process. I literally found something out. It looks like you're trying to fake doing that. Did you just call this distancing? lol

2. "Then when you were pressed on it you couldn't go in enough depth to make it look like it was something you really believed or had thought through."

"Appear a certain way or you're scum!" is what I read here. Literally nothing specific that I can respond to or clarify in capacity. If a motive is unclear you question it.. why push?

154 and 155 hedging on Jason (although I did like the last line of 155)

This was because Treblesome asserted

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this. I know it wasn't addressed at me I just wanted to make clear that I looked at the whole Treble vs Jason and this stuff and my read there right now is well founded IMO. Jason hasn't done enough stuff though I will admit. This game's a little quiet

Fair enough. Looks a little like posturing still to me but not horrible.

Posturing? Your scumread on us literally went from 0-1000 lol.. you literally say "Writers needs to die" At the end of your post and completely abandon Zulfy vote lmaoo. COMPLETE contrast from your own #183

see at best our scumread on you probably went from like...... 40.. to 100.....

158 just feels like a weird justification for a vote

It was how I justified it. The reason I haven't invested into that vote is because I don't believe it to hold that much weight anymore.

Posts like those below have been somewhat of an explanation to most of my initial reasons to scumread her:

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I can understand the read changing. My problem with 158 is the distancing you do from the vote at the same time with stuff like "Nothing personal" or the going through your reads on other people to make it seem like PoE. Neither of those seem necessary from a town PoV (if anything town wants people to think they're pushing them harder than they actually are to get reactions) but are useful for scum who wants to seem like they're doing something without actually committing.

I said that cause Gingham said "where your fascination with me comes from" like I was really tunneling her LMFAO. She said half my posts in the game at that point were about her, which isn't true. At that point in time 7/18 of my posts mentioned or replied to her. Not even tunnel. I was attempting to sort.

This is what I thought you meant but I already addressed this when you asked me about it before.

You act like I took a hardline stance on Zulfy then 180'd. It's not the case. You've said you know I wasn't calling him scum with that initial post. All things considered you can't even get anything AI from our interaction and my "backing off". You have to stretch something a little.

No the reversal is that in 64 you threatened Zulfy with rope if he didn't keep posting. And then later you say you're not okay with someone's vote being on Zulfy. How is he going to be "sat down permanently" without any votes on him? I don't know what the scum motive is here but it looks pretty blatantly inconsistent to me.

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It's me I am here.

I think I'll sit this out for now.

Offer an opinion of some kind or you will be sat down for a permanent length of time

Not true. Zulfy has a post saying he wasn't going to do anything at the moment. I don't think it's scummy from him.

This looks like a big change in attitude to me. I get that you weren't calling him scummy in 64 but it still seems like you've reversed your opinion on him deciding to 'sit out'. Why?

No way around this. The clear implication was that you knew I wasn't calling him scummy, yet by directly saying

No the reversal is that in 64 you threatened Zulfy with rope if he didn't keep posting.

So if I threatened him with rope I must have thought he was scum. Except you knew that's not what I was doing.

That's

inconsistent. Are you not contradicting your stance?

? You act like I put you as lock scum. Even you said I outlined why that doesn't really mean anything, and I said you weren't someone I was genuinely pushing especially since you explained your thought processes.

I'm not quite sure how to parse this.

I think Mario thought I had a genuine scumread on him at that point when really I thought what he did was scummy but I'm on the level with what he thought once he said something so that's why I said that.

@WB - why didn't you vote for me in 187? All the posts which you said caused you to TR Gingham had been made by that point so it doesn't seem like you had any real reason to keep your vote there. I see no town motive to saying "I wanted to vote you too" at that point without actually following through.

Votes can be placed anytime. You can be lynched any time before the day ends. We weren't speedlynching anyone.

You're creating an issue where there is none.

- Zach posts so far . Narna has been working his behind the scenes magic.

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Sobolev, do you really think voting Zulfy is going to make him participate? Out of curiosity; haven't played with him before.

I haven't played with him before either. My vote on him started as semi-RVS but out of all the lurkers I liked his posts the least so I'm keeping it there until he gets replaced/does something. Fwiw if I had a second vote it would be on WritersBloque. Something about their posts keep gut pinging me and their responses to my questions haven't been enough to convince me their content isn't faked.

Mario why do you think Jason decided to lie later on about his initial push on you?

Because Treblesome had pushed him on it and he wanted to defend his stance but didn't really want to re-evaluate his position, so he took the out that it was a reaction test. Why do you think he would do it as town?

I agree with you that it looks like he changed his justification to an extent after the fact. I misinterpreted your original case and thought you were solely voting him for his early push not his comments on it afterwards. Its enough to give Jason a light SR. But Writers needs to die first.

Writers needs to die first.

LMAO what a leap. Zulfy completely out of sight huh

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I don't really care to read Zach or SS's walls right now, but I agree SS feels pretty scummy. Her input before this big push on us is very reserved and non-accusatory. The questions aimed at our slot over Zach's concern with MM's entrance is nit picky. It doesn't commit her to a read on our slot, but can be used to segue into a sr if she sees something she think we can run with. The only thing giving me pause is that the game was practically dead before this argument. I'll read it after some sleep.

It's also a shame that I didn't get to post before Tanya replaced out.

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Why is it the first thing back you do is try and discredit the vote and not react to anything else that happened in 3/4 pages?

TR on mario is waning

This post is really bad. You left your read on Mario up in the air, so it reads like a buddying attempt at JW.

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Here we go

I mean when you apply Occam's Razor as a way to dismiss having to reasonably defend something with context, then you can use it so you literally never have to explain anything. You were basically asserting our scum game is so weak we get noticed the first few pages or I was explaining something wrong -- wait... we'll get to that

Lol. Every case at this point is going to based on assuming somebody's scum game is so weak they get noticed in the first few pages? Like I'm sorry if you think I'm insulting your scum game or something here but...

What you're arguing and what we're talking about aren't exactly the same though

You said we couldn't convince you our posts aren't faked.

If we can't "convince" you our posts aren't faked when that's a basic tenet of scum play then we're literally incompetent. That's what your stance has to be. Which is fine you just have to make people believe that you believe it

Every case at this point is going to based on assuming somebody's scum game is so weak they get noticed in the first few pages? Like I'm sorry if you think I'm insulting your scum game or something here but...

Not really. Directly implies that scum have to play poorly for scum to be caught early game LOL

I mean all of the above. It sounds like you threw out an explanation for your early suspicion of Mario to distance yourselves from others who were skeptical of him (i.e. Jason). Then when you were pressed on it you couldn't go in enough depth to make it look like it was something you really believed or had thought through.

Gee except you never said this though... let's revisit your initial post:

Something about their posts keep gut pinging me and their responses to my questions haven't been enough to convince me their content isn't faked.

This is a really ambiguous statement. At the time the implication to me here was you either have a vague read or a very specific one. Wait.. I guess we know what it is now, because once we started engaging, you literally now have several "reasons" to SR me in the post above. Like you picked "all of the above" multiple choice reasons to scumread us. If we were actually that scummy you wouldn't have made such a vague open to interpretation post here. It literally looks like you were trying to sort me (with the questions), this post here says that something is unclear, the correct procedure should be to interact with me to clarify what specifically is wrong with my posts. But it looks like you just doubled down as to not reverse your stance and put me as scum. I said before it reads like you were setting up to push me. Like you questioned me, I just answered the questions. It appears you had a problem with HOW I answered the questions, but rather than press that specifically, you just skip over that entire step and put me as scum. I don't feel like you actually sorted.

But like I did press you specifically on that. See for example posts 43, 45, 46, 47, 55, 61 as one interaction. When you're asked twice "when should mario have brought that up" and the only answer you give both times is "well not at the start" its time to stop pressing the point because we're getting nowhere. Like idk how long you think I need to keep asking you questions before I can just call you scum.

I told you "not at the start". It's what I said and what I meant. This isn't a test. It's valid. Literally my position is that's not how to enter optimally and you're trying to invalidate it.

You asking him questions and him clarifying them though is tangential to the part where you said your only problem is he had to start out with it. Like you can do one without the other. By distancing I meant that you were trying to not be lumped in with the others pushing him, not that you're partners with jason lol.

Who were the other people pushing him? Jason is the only one I recall.

I townread him? so if I were scum I wouldn't care about getting seen pushing MM4 with him

You asking him questions and him clarifying them though is tangential to the part where you said your only problem is he had to start out with it. Like you can do one without the other. By distancing I meant that you were trying to not be lumped in with the others pushing him, not that you're partners with jason lol.

2. "Then when you were pressed on it you couldn't go in enough depth to make it look like it was something you really believed or had thought through."

"Appear a certain way or you're scum!" is what I read here. Literally nothing specific that I can respond to or clarify in capacity. If a motive is unclear you question it.. why push?

Lol I did question it?

What do you mean. I gave you an answer and you were clearly expecting a different one or a different type of answer (or you want to present that image)

If you want answers that satisfy you ask better questions? If my answer doesn't satisfy you there's still a thought process to my ideas

I still don't know how "When would be a better time for him to bring it up?" Is a question that indicates anything.

If me saying "not at the start" isn't a good answer I clearly had a thought process behind it... but no we just have to be scum I guess

There are also questions you can ask to sort us that involve anything we haven't commented on yet. Your posts imply you exhausted the options to develop a read on us and I don't think that's true.

I said that cause Gingham said "where your fascination with me comes from" like I was really tunneling her LMFAO. She said half my posts in the game at that point were about her, which isn't true. At that point in time 7/18 of my posts mentioned or replied to her. Not even tunnel. I was attempting to sort.

I don't see how trying to give your vote as little weight as possible helps you sort.

Votes have a lot of weight that's why they don't get just thrown around.

No I don't think you thought Zulfy was scum in 64. I think you were threatening him with rope to try to get him to post. That's literally the same reason I kept my vote there. Although I didn't especially like his two posts they weren't enough to merit a serious scumread. Yet you turn around later and say that you're not okay with people's votes being on Zulfy.

That's

the contradiction.

So I threaten people I think are town with rope?


I wanted him to post jokingly

The simple issue is you've taken an interaction that's not AI because I know him and made it AI. Worse yet you believe it to be.... a GENUINE contradiction lmao. I think we're both aware that it's not


You said "I'm not moving my vote off of Zulfy until he gets replaced or does something"

then did exactly that


who contradicted what?

Votes can be placed anytime. You can be lynched any time before the day ends. We weren't speedlynching anyone.

You're creating an issue where there is none.

I mean I don't see why town would keep their vote on somebody they TR when they have another legitimate scumread. What that looks like to me is scum trying to remain flexible. If I went after you hard you could switch your vote to me and 1v1 (as we're doing now) but if I decided to drop the issue you could just let it stay an offhand comment and move on with the game without being tied down to a strong scumread.

yawn more pressing about something that doesn't matter at all this is real exciting

Re: the repeated claim that I went from "0 to 1000" on WB. Let me give y'all a brief chronology of my read on WB. Early game: WB posts some stuff I find weird. I question some of it (like the mario timing question or the Zulfy thing) but don't overtly call WB scum. During this time I did mention in both my neighborhoods that I find WB a little scummy (my neighbors can confirm this if necessary) but I'm trying to question them first to sort. 183 I mention I have a scumread on WB but am keeping my vote on Zulfy for now. 187 WB mentions their scumread on me but doesn't vote me. 190 I find their not voting me scummy enough to merit a vote and an overview of why I find them scummy. I question them on why they didn't vote me (spoiler alert: this question goes unanswered until I ask it again. But remember, according to WB I'm scum because I immediately start pressing them instead of questioning their motives). 192 WB poorly responds to my case marking the official start of this 1v1. Anyway thats my read progression. It should be pretty clear that I did not go from "0 to 1000" as WB is claiming.

This is absolutely correct.


0-900

During this time I did mention in both my neighborhoods that I find WB a little scummy (my neighbors can confirm this if necessary) but I'm trying to question them first to sort.

Just checked and I actually only mentioned my scumread on WB in one neighborhood. In the other I made an early game comment along the lines of "I'm interested in seeing how WritersBloque answers my questions before deciding on my read on them".

Cool. Your push definitely looks organic now

- Zach

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Is there a good reason to lynch in the dark? Replacements will provide content if it comes to that.

Regardless of your opinion on us vs Scumbolev_Space our 1v1 is obviously significant in some way that hasn't been made clear yet. goes for Treble vs Jason too

Defaulting to lurker pool means you don't care about either of those things

WB is probably lower than null

Any specific reason besides the 1 thing at gamestart lol

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because the chance of you having a scum role pm is higher than average

scanning post for facts



error: not found

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GD: 160 This post is basically a POE that scum reads all the lurkers and GD isn't even that self aware about it.

Scum is more likely to be self aware about something like this, no? I know you're sorting them still, but would you be willing to lynch either JW or SS?

I like a beeboy lynch. Does anyone like a beeboy lynch?

Not really, I'd rather a different lurker to him if it came down to it.

-Narna

[Writers Bloque]

Zulfy if you get replaced im going to be mad ( ( (

ITS NOT THERE. ITS NOT THERE

[Writers Bloque]

Alright everybody, hold it down. Is anyone looking to actually play tonight? We need to find a wagon boys. Most of the votes are people voting the person that is currently voting them. The bystanders need to weigh in here. I'm not too big on the leading wagons, but I'd lynch ZZZX over MM if it came down to it.

-Narna

[Writers Bloque]

So.

{SS}
{MM4, Gingham}
{lurkers at null}
{WB}
{JasonWazza}

reads at present.

Is this still your list

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I'm pretty sure ZZZX is going to lurk out too, so that's basically 3 slots going dark.

-Narna

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If we have to lynch in the lurkers my preference is Edos/ZZZX/Zulfy


- Zach

[Writers Bloque]

Did you read all of our interactions? Even the stuff SS hasn't responded to yet? What you highlighted is just from the first few.

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And that's def not all the important stuff

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lol I just realized you're pushing us on nothing actually

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Ugh.

There's something about the push to lynch lurkers in the past 2 pages that doesn't seem right to me. I'll look back over it tomorrow. It just feels like the sentiment came up very suddenly and people were too quick to agree on it.

What a ping. Yes this happened because there's not enough people playing for us to do stuff apparently or no one cares







Oh Christ I'll get to that wall probably. Narna please SOS help. This one is going to kill me

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Treble sell me on an edos lynch. I kinda liked his opening

Mario sell me on a beeboy lynch

Why don't you just sell them on us

[Writers Bloque]

Landmark replaces Zulfy!!!

A 1 day extension has been granted.
This will be reflected in the next VC

@Edos what you highlighted in our/SS interaction is from like our first few conversations. I respond to the whole Zulfy thing later

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intent on zzzx

. I'm unsure on the current dl, but I would like some posts from landmark, and a prod on zzzx before going through with this.

-Narna

[Writers Bloque]

Someone tell me why Sobolev is town again? In a game with more lurkers than actives you can't lynch someone if they'ree widely townread by the only people who post


- Zach

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I still don't think the JW "slip" means literally anything at all but the slot has done jack shit and there's been ample time. Plus my desired is not really viable as said above

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intent on zzzx

.
-Narna

I'm going to issue a level 2 retraction on this intent to hammer


- Zach

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I (Zach) wrote 299

And why do you disagree with each other on the hammer?

Hey


Where are you going with this

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I have no issue hammering unless ZZZX appears suddenly with a breathtaking town post in the next few hours.

This post is scummy AF LOL

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Badly worded question. I'm not trying to focus on the disagreement between you, just want to hear more of your opinions on the matter. Based on 299, it seems that you're coming around to the idea of voting ZZZX.

ZZZX is the lesser of three bad lynches (Edo,Landmark,ZZZX). Of those he's about as likely to flip scum as Zulfy but the difference is Zulfy has no content and JW had some townie stuff to me. He would be the lynch since our top SR Sobolev Space is impossible. We have Landmark who will hopefully post and Edos has been trying to get into the game I think so those aren't preferred. Why hammer my town read though(Narna has a scum read there I believe). The lynch will still happen, because one of you have to do it if we won't. If you're active and scum you're not going to let no lynch happen with an L-1 wagon or it might as well be a scum claim. And regardless of what he flips we can sort the ZZZX wagon




But now.. you've pinged me


It's cool to say vote me when there's not enough active people who are willing to lynch you.

Knowing this suggesting I attempt to flashwagon you with less than 24 hours less and maybe half of the game "inactive" for all intents and purposes is disingenuous.


I mean I have no problem with voting you now. Narna never did to begin with. But if I vote you I want you lynched, so I'd rather not do it until maybe this gets cleared up or you become apparent scum somehow

I have no issue hammering unless ZZZX appears suddenly with a breathtaking town post in the next few hours.

You don't even want his claim and are fine with hammer

You said "breathtaking town post"


Those aren't the same at all and it's not like you implied that "breathtaking town post" would include a claim. Far too general

This post is scummy AF LOL

Then vote me?

Then this is your response... (see middle of post)


- Zach

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Someone tell me why Sobolev is town again? In a game with more lurkers than actives you can't lynch someone if they'ree widely townread by the only people who post


- Zach

I wouldn't mind this is as well tbh.

Near impossible that we get 3 more votes on it if you join though so can't really be done today

[Writers Bloque]

beeboy do you scumread Gingham?

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So I just replaced in and about to get lynched for... reasons?

Fuck that shit. Ain't taking that

It's because we have 3 players who have literally posted nothing. We can't play this setup like that or the game is just going to be people vote parking on their day 1 scumread and the same 2 people having discussion

Apathy is easy loss



So yeah if everyone else was playing maybe you can be mad at us lynching you but this is circumstance. You're obv not optimal imo



You gonna wait until you have one minute to claim?




Mind you I tr your slot but this Day 1 fuckery is evil. So evil

[Writers Bloque]

Okay. I see by the time I get up it's gonna be past deadline.

VOTE: ZZZX

- Zach

[Writers Bloque]

ZZZX, Town Vengeful 8 shot BP JOAT Gunsmith Tracker Doctor 3-shot commuter Innocent Child has been lynched Day One.

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A win condition has been reached: The Mafia team of Sobolev_Space, SS, Sobolev, and Space have won.

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beeboy in this game is like the dad u always wanted to see except when you do see him you don't have anything to say to each other and he leaves for "cigarettes" again

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Yeah there is. If you're not lying about your role then your flip locks SS scum. Otherwise you're scum.

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Very interactive game of mafia