NY 165: A Large Normal (Game Over!)

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Bulbafenix you seem to be distanced from me

And not talking to me despite my efforts against your lynch

I find that interesting

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Nice job leaving out context, Zdscum

I've kept Fenix off of them for the most part since their claim. He pushed me hard on it.

Have you ever hydra'd before?

As far as I could tell that was regarding day one.

No, but that has nothing to do with them being full of shit.

All right so you have no idea how hydra interaction works and how one partner's reads can impact or even muffle the other's

Heh.

UNVOTE: bulba

Not convinced he's town, but I won't put the vote back until I can develop a stronger case.

I hate writing cases.

If there is anything bulba has done thats scummy it's maybe 2541

Whatever
Have I ignored anything you've said that was addressed to me?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

GODDAMNIT EVERYONE IS VOTING TOWN RIGHT NOW

So you're scum and there is one scum team.
Got it.

Orcinus has the Calcifer UNLYNCHABLE power sorry

What?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Sorry as in how is calcifer unlynchable

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yes but I am not scum

[orcinus_theoriginal]

BulbaFenix is probably town. That 'slip' looks like it's being stretched so far, you should shove up two people's asses when they're 3 miles apart.

Whiteknighting: the genuine article.

If BFenix flips town, Ank is scum. Well Ank is scum anyway.

@ Orc

During the day, Calciscum protects himself in a thick, impenetrable layer of flood-posting and random vote changes that incites everyone to shout out: "I'm not lynching Calcifer today he's town!"

White knighting is such a ridiculously weak scum tell

I am town reading bulba and I was town read Nero yeah fuck I must be scum

So you are scum reading calcifer and not lynching him

Like you town read Nero and lynched him

You are SUCH GARBAGE PLAYERS

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Heh.

UNVOTE: bulba

Not convinced he's town, but I won't put the vote back until I can develop a stronger case.

I hate writing cases.

If there is anything bulba has done thats scummy it's maybe 2541

Whatever
Have I ignored anything you've said that was addressed to me?

I don't think you directly answered my question about the night kills.

My "heh" was about hydrae and divergent reads.

Yeah haha I was definitely thinking about Shellie's

I remembered reading a question to me and wanting to get back to it and then I didn't. Do you remember what I think about weird NK choices (Nero n1 BSG)? I don't really want to make it public

[orcinus_theoriginal]

*selkies

And serene, calcifer has not been flood posting

[orcinus_theoriginal]

So calcifer is the hardest to lynch scum read that you have

Shouldn't we sort of not let that kind of scum reach endgame

[orcinus_theoriginal]

^^ Re my first quote, was that addressed to me?

Yes. This was in reply to your comment on zd-scum

I think it only points to a group of players, so I would be more inclined to look at scumreads I have in that group rather than my town reads in that group.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

^^ Re my first quote, was that addressed to me?

Yes. This was in reply to your comment on zd-scum

I think it only points to a group of players, so I would be more inclined to look at scumreads I have in that group rather than my town reads in that group.

Did you think I was reading you as scum?

no but I think you missed the point

True, scum sometimes have legit scumreads for SK/other team hunting. You don't think I am scum. Zd had a case on me that he fucked up on (since the read carried forth when the reasoning got shot). Hence, more likely scum fabrication than otherwise

[orcinus_theoriginal]

So calcifer is the hardest to lynch scum read that you have

Shouldn't we sort of not let that kind of scum reach endgame

You're preaching to the choir.

Twice we've pushed his lynch and the town hasn't gone for it.

In fact ISO him. He straight up said yesterday that we wouldn't get him lynched.

Calc, Bulbafen, and Ank are our Unholy Trinity right now.

Bulba is not going today.

VOTE: Calcifer

[orcinus_theoriginal]

And why Ank over stevie

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Ugggghhhhh I can't right now for nacho

For mastin, he reacts a LOT stronger to people voting him than he has

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Ugggghhhhh I can't right now for nacho

For mastin, he reacts a LOT stronger to people voting him than he has

As part of a hydra? I react way less strongly to votes as part of a hydra. It's a division of labor sort of thing. I think mastin sees himself as the minority partner in the Calcifer enterprise. I'm focusing mostly on reading Nacho.

Nacho reaches out as town and takes a lot of control

He isn't doing that

I can't make my full case on him right now but thats basically the big idea

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Fery talk to me about how meta factors into bulbafenix's case or quote it if you already did explain?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Okay fuck what when did calc turn town

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Dram needs to be vigged

[orcinus_theoriginal]

by watching what you do

i know how you work so

dredging though the thread on my bulba write up, I saw this post again. I can't really tell that you've kept much of an eye on me, except to notice when Syr posts.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

You need to show this.

No I don't.

*just shakes his head*

Great. It's like Gilbert Gottfried formed a hydra with Joan Rivers.

The idea of her and I hydraing together was mentioned by a third party as "that would seriously be the worst thing ever." I disagree. BEST HYDRA EVER <3<3<3

Still think its funny you guys were calling her the "sane head"
We both agreed it was the first time anyone on MS ever called her sane

Point of reference is everything

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Tell me since when either nacho or mastin was ever this passive

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Fery

I really don't want to lynch bulba today

I cannot make a nacho case right now but this passiveness and general detatchment from the game is not something I have come to expect

Perhaps we can settle on a necessity lynch (Stevie Ank zd Brian goat thirdkoopa)

From my POV we need to start hacking away at that pool

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Baby spice I can see as scum

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Perhaps we can settle on a necessity lynch (Stevie Ank zd Brian goat thirdkoopa)

Sorry, TMt is here too. Maybe I forgot more but this pool is pretty big

I am also seeing Shadi scum but I may be off again on that

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Fery

I really don't want to lynch bulba today

I cannot make a nacho case right now but this passiveness and general detatchment from the game is not something I have come to expect

Perhaps we can settle on a necessity lynch (Stevie Ank zd Brian goat thirdkoopa)

From my POV we need to start hacking away at that pool

I want to sort bulbafenix today if I can, so I can stop worrying and either go after them for lynch with no second guessing, or put him aside completely for now.

Of your list, the last 3 are at the bottom of my scumpile, and I'm quite willing to lynch any of those three today.

You know the stuff they've posted that makes you think "oh hell no never hydraing with

that

"?

That's the stuff that makes me (and Syr) think they are probably scum.

Hm.

My votes in the direction or Brian and co would resemble my kind of a policy lynch

If your idea of sorting out = a lynch, I do not want to lynch bulbafenix today

At all.


I think dram needs to be vigged at this point tbh

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Calcifer, would you comment on that Innocent Child thing please?

It was a joke, shut up or find something better to talk about

Stevie Ank zd Brian goat thirdkoopa

I'm offended that you've included me in that list.

Ok

Is there like a point you're trying to express

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I think dram needs to be vigged at this point tbh

My town read on you has been COMPLETELY EVAPORATED.

Is this not the second time you demand this?

Maybe because your play has been so batshit poor that I feel I am doubting your mason claim

[orcinus_theoriginal]

You know I'm pretty sure at this point you guys have spent more time complaining about our play than I spent yelling at BulbaFenix. That was like seventy pages ago, give it a rest.

And as for Nero's lynch, I will still never mourn a player that plays against wincon. We were not the only ones on his wagon, just the only ones with the balls to admit we read him as town. You're damn right we ordered the Code Red. You may play your little mafia games, and play at hunting scum. But you have that luxury with that wall around the town. Who's gonna be on that wall to defend the town? You? No. You want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. I would rather you just thanked me for the lynch and went on your way.

He contributed nothing. He stated he would contribute nothing. That's on him. Not me, not this town.

By your logic, we should be lynching dram today because what has he contributed anyways
VOTE: dram

[orcinus_theoriginal]

using serene's logic dram is playing against wincon by being a useless sack

hence we should lynch him even though we might lean town on dram

lgi lgi let's all be like dgb

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I am lean town on bulba. His observations echo those of mine for the most part. The town lean isn't as strong as say BRO but the hardcore defense arises from the fact that I have yet to see a convincing case and the wagon keeps building too quickly

[orcinus_theoriginal]

If anything suggesting dram be vigged is a towntell. You should really quit badgering orci, he's pretty clearly town.

Because the way we're headed right now it looks like we're going to continue following Serene this whole game, and it'd be nice to have actual confirmation of their alignment.

Please note that this post does not actually condone vigging dram.

Buddying up to Orc and distancing from the vig. call all at the same time. Nice.

-Bulba

ie this post

Nacho bought up some cephrir meta that I've been going back to. Surprising that he hasn't gone back to it

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: zd

Top 3 wagons lololol

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Vote scum

Aside from the awfully convenient fact that the top 3 wagons don't include you why are you limiting his options to the top 3

It stinks

Incidentally I'm phoneposting but fery I promise you something good by the time you wake up (y)

[orcinus_theoriginal]

K

UNVOTE:

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Incidentally I'm phoneposting but fery I promise you something good by the time you wake up (y)

I'm awake.

sorry can you go to sleep again something came up ;_;

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Where the fuck is orcinus?

soon

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yeah. It was totally 120% fake. I was already voting you, so by unvoting and re-voting, my post had no ACTUAL affect on you.

Copycat

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I am gettin to everything in this game SOON MAYBE TODAY

BRO is town because his play was so different in xenoblade I am 90% sure about his alignment. His scumgame is much more serious and his posts are much less light and casual

[orcinus_theoriginal]

RRev is also totally town because his messy and unreasonable posts remind me of his efforts to scumhunt in xeno

[orcinus_theoriginal]

IT'S SO LIBERATING

[orcinus_theoriginal]

You were actually right on a lot of reads in xeno

I just found one post where you nailed BRO GIF TD and voted 2 in the next post

But your reasoning looks really messy a lot of the time

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I KNOW LOOOOOOL

but you agree with me that rev's play looks at least somewhat similar right

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I am gettin to everything in this game SOON MAYBE TODAY

BRO is town because his play was so different in xenoblade I am 90% sure about his alignment. His scumgame is much more serious and his posts are much less light and casual

Pay attention to BRO's more recent posts. It could be that he just didn't have any neurons left over for this game as xeno drew to a close, but I'm not liking some of what he's posted lately.

I am not seeing this

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Oh please

Narrative spinning

There's nothing to suggest that makes DOMO more likely scum than town with reads that fit into your perception of events

Besides, what's the motive of defending a scum buddy like Stevie lol

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Coincidence. Not improbable considering how fractured this town is

[orcinus_theoriginal]

And associative hunting at not-lylo is sort of flawed

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Orcinus what was it you wanted to talk about?

I will address the more controversial issues later

But BRO is town and if he isn't I will scummy nom him a thousand times over. I will fly to wherever he is and I will grovel at his feet because that would be a higher plane of existence than what my life otherwise would ever be

But he is town

So yeah

Look at the genuineness of his messages. None of that showed in xenoblade--there, he posted when he needed to post, and definitely maintained a cool countenance that was for show. None of that shows in here. I am incredibly satisfied with my interactions with him. At 3 man lylo with me and BRO I would vote the other person without blinking because he is conftown to me right now

[orcinus_theoriginal]

BRO and I are in-thread masons

You guys do whatever the fuck you want but if you scumread BRO you scumread me

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Lol considering fery has her vote on BRO right now? I think there'll be an objection

Crabd and BRO are my strongest town reads, followed by DOMO, then the 'masons' and fery

I am having a lot of trouble with scumreads lately but I still like calcifer for scum and Stevie should go at some point or another

I am very much avoiding bulba-case because it looks intimidating

EDIT: I forgot let me ISO myself

LET ME POST

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Stuff I need to do for fery: Calcifer, Bulba

That's all I found I think

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I am very much in sync with that list aside from calcifer, zd, goat, and BS. my marquis read is entirely based on sonic

I will read up and report on those three maybe after calcifer/bulba

[orcinus_theoriginal]

So wait we're scum reading Ank for beig a bad crumbed

Am I reading that right

[orcinus_theoriginal]

*being a bad crumber

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Rift:

Fooled me too, but I got to it late.

Anyway, this is the post I was thinking of as a pr result soft claim:

Orcinus definitely is not scum, guys.

What the fuck? Why would you highlight this?

I chalked that up to VI. hell if I'd ever post something like that as scum.

You think scum-BS would post that?

Like you'd ever post it as scum

[orcinus_theoriginal]

*as town holy shit I should stop posting

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Sounds like a roundabout way of saying policy

[orcinus_theoriginal]

BRO are my strongest town reads

BRO is town, some people are calling him scum to protect him from the NK. Play along.

not all town players lie about their reads like you thank

god

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Okay hi firstly actually you copied me for that fake hammer tech >:[

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I WILL DO THIS TODAY

I have a slight town read on bulbs. My opposition to his wagon comes from me not understanding the basis for the wagon

I WILL GET TO THIS IN THE NEXT 6 HOURS

[orcinus_theoriginal]

BFenix is town, that was an experiment.

I still want to see BFenix's analysis of ALL wagons, not just his own.

You are fucking useless and are completely oblivious to how anti-town you are

This is DGB, yes? And so was the person who posted that Nero was probably town right before he flipped?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Had Nero not been lynched, day 1 would have been 179 pages long. But instead of analyzing his wagon for the people who FABRICATED a reason to read him scum, all most of you have done is whine about one person who read him town and said so.

I found a person who fabricated a scum read on Nero

You.


I read Fery's walls and did a hugeass ISO of bulba. I have no meta knowledge but I am still queasy about this for a few reasons.
Mac: yes, Mac was scummy, yes okay that is currently my largest reason to scumread bulbafenix
Forced hydra dissonance: Im comparing this with selkies and I'm not getting anything out of the ordinary
Meta: Seems to me like meta won't be of any help since im getting the vibe that bulba at least is very good at being scum

I think overall aside from the Mac analysis you are mostly seeing what you want to see. I mean you say stuff like "Stuff that may strike a townie as off may not draw any attention from a scum player because they know the post is coming from a town player.", but there's a very likely flip side to this argument which is "scum try to look for anything at all that may seem off because they need to find scum reads", and you fail to demonstrate why the former is more likely than just town that missed something

2695:
No bulba wasn't sheeping you, otherwise I wouldn't be in null and I don't think you were town reading BRO. This is off the top of my head but I feel like it's a weak point to base a scumread on. You said that a problem with the post was that it didnt have the sense of a new town player--I would disagree. I like serene and i being in null (I mean you even say that serene's predecessor is something really really town in that same post). I don't remember TIP being universally town.

I mean, it's like you attack them for not being controversial enough with their reads and then you attack them for pushing serene and for being tone-deaf

There's one thing in favor of bulba being scum though. I do not think that anybody would genuinely talk down to their partner in-thread like that. It stuck out to me when I first saw it and I thought it was interesting. I think it is scum theater. I do not think bulba has forced hydra dissonance. Their dissonance is fine. It's the way they interact in thread, with one head publicly suppressing the other that bugs me

Ill sleep on this and get back in the morning

[orcinus_theoriginal]

re AtE: Holy shit someone is playing against serene and getting pissed they must be scum
re me: lol sorry but you saw how useless I was in MoL this should not be coming as a surprise
re Bulba: Here are the posts that bugged me a little. And when I say bug, I mean it seemed not genuine

[orcinus_theoriginal]

It's true that Fenix is not as independent as I'd like and acts more like a subordinate than an equal in the hydra. It's something that we're working on. However, I do not like that your first action when confronting us is to attack the

weak link.

I would not want to hydra with you

Ever

Eh. I might get yelled at for it later. As I said, I'm trying to get him to play a more proactive role. Regardless, ProHawk's intent was to identify and attack weakness (The "just wait until daddy gets home" comment), which is more in line with scum intent. Do you agree or disagree with this?

-Bulba

stuff like this

calling his partner a weak link

that seemed really fucking off to me

because i personally would never publicly put down my partner like that

so i'm thinking that scum theater is more likely than otherwise

that's the only thing i am seeing though

i would prefer stevie right now

[orcinus_theoriginal]

do you get annoyed when people drive wagons on you

now put yourself in bulba's shoes

would you get annoyed if a mad and nonsensical dog like serene drove a wagon on you

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I mean, if you really want me to sheep you on bulba i'm cool with that because i think you're town and i really respect your reads and bulba is probably going to be lynched at one point or another at this rate but i am making my stance on the matter heard

[orcinus_theoriginal]

SOMEONE put him at L-1

He's probably got a mile-long fakeclaim and we won't be able to tell the difference because we've given him so much time to think about it.

are you fucking high

this is not a flavor game

[orcinus_theoriginal]

this is not a flavor game

I know that

He still needs a credible fakeclaim like Nero's was an obvious fakeclaim

And he needs to work out his fake night choices

We've literally given him an eternity to perfect it.

is this the head that thinks bulba is town and this wagon was just an experiment

i forget

[orcinus_theoriginal]

if you really want me to sheep you on bulba i'm cool with that

fery.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

bulba claims

[orcinus_theoriginal]

is bulba town

i'm almost scared to read the thread

[orcinus_theoriginal]

if we have a silencer just btw it should be set on DGB

i still want to entertain vigging dram

[orcinus_theoriginal]

We are LYNCHED my good man... Just waitin on Preg to come in and drop the beat

-Fenix

and you are town?

sigh

[orcinus_theoriginal]

serene, please stop talking

just

please

[orcinus_theoriginal]

if bulba flips town i may be finding myself doubting fery's alignment

[orcinus_theoriginal]

serene, please stop talking

just

please

OK have the mod prod me if you need some BS.

or i'll just ask to have you be replaced

You honestly think scum bulba would help me clear shadi after he'd already been lynched, orci?

NO I DON'T THIS IS WHY I AM SAYING THAT BULBA IS TOWN

HOLY SHIT

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE

I'M A BIT LATE WITH MY CASE

I TELL FERY WHY HER ANALYSES PROBABLY DON'T WORK

SHE TELLS ME SHE WANTS TO 'FEEL CONVINCED'

WELL I JUST TOLD YOU

WHY ALL OF THE CASE ON BULBA

WAS WATER


AND THEN FUCKING SERENE

YOU TOWN READ BULBA

AND YOU SAID

////NOTHING////

AND THIS IS WHY WE HAVE MISLYNCHED OUR SECOND TOWNIE IN A ROW

WHEN WE HAD PEFECTLY GOOD TOWN READS ON THESE TOWNIES

TO AVOID DOING SO

THIS GODDAMN GAME


HOLY SHIT


BROSEIDON

WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU



YOU ARE SENSICAL

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Woah woah woah wait what? Talk to me, orci, that came out of nowhere.

I'M NOT TALKING TO YOU

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I feel like

I have a town read list

And then all you do is lynch off it

You scum read BRO at one point too

So that's three

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I am not inclined to think sonic is scum at this point in time

[orcinus_theoriginal]

If BRO gets lynched, there's something seriously wrong with this town. The sad part is that there are people who are pushing for his lynch.
BRO, Orcinus, Rift, Crabd. There's your core town that can break this game wide open if they are smart about it.

-Bulba

Your list is also wrong

Mason claims should be in lean town, not town

Shadi could very well be faking and I don't understand why this is not being considered

The list should go

BRO>Cabd>DOMO>Masons=Rift

[orcinus_theoriginal]

What are your reads then, orci? You keep saying "not X" or "not Y" but I really havent seen you mention your scum list lately.

I have not been pushing my scum reads because they aren't strong

We need to get cracking away at the low content posters

I feel like

I have a town read list

And then all you do is lynch off it

You scum read BRO at one point too

So that's three

Be in the thread and tell me what is wrong with my reads. You had the same doubts about Nero that I did IIRC.

I think I told you why bulba was off and you responded with "we'll ate" and I responded with "well serene" and then that was the end of it

I had the doubt between the span of like two posts

I have doubts on everyone

So idk

[orcinus_theoriginal]

If BRO gets lynched, there's something seriously wrong with this town. The sad part is that there are people who are pushing for his lynch.
BRO, Orcinus, Rift, Crabd. There's your core town that can break this game wide open if they are smart about it.

-Bulba

Bro is settled. He's not getting lynched.

Thank fuck

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Why not DOMO
I just realized I've never seen rev's scum game but he seems real town to me

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Oh yeah and calciscum because passiveness

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Low content posters

Why does this even need to be discussed

[orcinus_theoriginal]

udging by the DGB head of Serene, they're probably town, but one you want to ignore.

Yeah I get the hate

I'll just vote and not post otherwise.

FU all

Let me explain the hate

You lie about your reads

You lied about your read on Nero, you lied about your read on bulba. Now they are both lynched.

You spam and consistently treat people in a condescending manner. Kuribo is abrasive as fuck.

As claimed masons you are probably town so we expect you to lead the town

You are unable to do so. That's okay.

But at least don't spam the thread, lie about your reads, and disrupt everything crabd and fery are trying to do

Stop fucking lying. You are not a good enough player to pull it off

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Bulba

Give me some DOMO posts you found funny

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Firstly: lean town
Secondly: I do not want to spend all my time trying to defuse wagons you have driven on town players
Thirdly: forcing town players to needlessly claim

IS A SCUM TACTIC

A FUCKINN

SCUM

TACTIC

[orcinus_theoriginal]

just work with us for fuck's sake.

Then goddam it, work with me too and don't piss around at claim time and stall wagons because orcinus has a null read.

The continual lack of getting together to pressure players effectively so that they can be read properly for reactions is a source of great frustration on my end.

Was in reply to this

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Bulba

Give me some DOMO posts you found funny

Looks like we're multiball, if either were vigged then we have a bad vig imo.

I see zdenek and bulba have both voted and neither look like they have considered how the night kills might effect their reads. There's some basic town motivation lacking right there. Neither explain their stevie vote, or comment on the mislynch which they were both part of. Dodgy as fuck.

Both those who were NK'ed were on the mislynch. So were the masons. The remaining pool deserve the most scrutiny as we begin today.

That's- Rift Adrift, Zdenek, KingCrabd, Shadi1337, Baby Spice, Cephrir, BROseidon, BulbaFenix, StevieT92

My scum pool right now is zdenek, bulba, BRO and cephrir. I doubt very much all four are scum on the same team, it would be crazy for all to join the mislynch and then kill a townie who was on the wagon, but they could be split into different teams.

I intend to catch up fully in the next 24 hours.

I found the whole "Looks like we're in multiball" reaction to the NK to be very suspect. It looked like scum trying to appear town by reacting to the NK (i.e. fake), and there was no reason to suspect multiball, since we didn't know that the vig hadn't killed during the night, and TIP looked like a vig kill. It looked as if he was stating that it was multiball to appear town for considering it. His suspicion on Zdenek and ourselves for not voicing our thoughts on the NK, which is a bunch of WIFOM, is suspect as well, since there was no need to openly say anything or any evidence to reconsider the read on Stevie.

I need to put a line in my sig about narrative spinning. There is always possible scum motivation for any action. Your job is to prove why the scum motivation is more likely than the town motivation. Why is it more likely that DOMO was faking town reaction to the NK rather than rev just being dumb? Xenoblade was multiball. It seems a logical deduction (though obviously fairly flawed) to say that this one, with 2 kills, is also multiball. Don't say his suspicion on you for not voicing your thought on the NK. His suspicion on you was OMGUS. Completely. Unfortunately, rev does OMGUS a lot as town so nothing important there.

bulba's "slip" alone is not enough to warrant lynch, it's easy for him to say he also misread that statement. But today he's come in with an immediate reasonless vote for stevie, then said I must be speedlynched if it's it's multiball for being the first to speculate on it, despite the fact it's the assumption most people seem to be working on, serene included. Then he's saying serene is scum, without explaining to us how fakeclaiming mason on day one with a buddy is viable. And he wasn't looking good yesterday.

So this bulba wagon does not have me concerned. He's picking up fast votes because he's scum.

What I disliked here is that they said they understood what happened, but then they went ahead with the "slip" reasoning anyway. At least they voted, unlike Cephrir, who did the same thing, but without the vote.

Yeah, sorry, I looked at this post for a while and I still don't see whatever you're finding suspect. Might just be me being dumb but you'll have to spell this one out more clearly

Translation: "I know what's really going on, but I need to make something up quick to justify this wagon that I hopped onto."

This misrep alone should be enough defence.

I didn't just hop onto this wagon. I started it. I didn't like your stevie vote, same with zdenek, I see two people enter the 2nd day with no regard for what happened overnight. So I attack you both. You respond with an attack on me, saying I need to be quicklynched if it turns out to be multiball. I see this as an attempt by someone who knows it's multiball to get a mislynch when confirmed. And here you're saying I'm trying to find reasons to justify hopping on a wagon that I started with what I see as good reason.

This...

You, however, entered into the thread today with a determination that you KNEW it was multiball. You seemed to want to get in on the spec action early and drum up some town cred for scumhunting, which is more in line with scum motivation, rather than town motivation.

Let me ask you a question... if it's multiball, wouldn't it be better for the scum if town didn't consider it? If I'm scum and I know it's multiball, I want to be able to hide behind my legit scumhunting for longer without town knwoing that scum are legit scumhunting. So if anything, it's a town tell. There's little scum motivation for wanting town to be aware that scum are actually scumhunting, is there? Town cred is lost, not gained.
I do not know if it's multiball, I suspect it is. There's reasons for that which I'll get moaned at if say it... let's just say multiball is fresh in my memory. The night kills did not make sense to me from a vig point of view. Maybe I'm wrong. But they seem like shit vig targets to me. Two scum kills made more sense. Thus, I speculated. I speculate a lot. Well done for spotting a rev tell.

I'm pretty sure I'm defending against scum here.

The WIFOM at the end is horrible. I broke it apart in a later post to show how horrible it was. Again, if you know what your meta is, then it is no longer reliable.

Right and why is this more likely scum than town? Have you never seen town self-meta? And it wasn't even a particularly big point, at all. It was just something thrown in there at the end.

Actually that line of thought is retarded. Why the fuck would koopa want the SK to know he's scum?

ok

unvote

, I'm just being paranoid.

This feels like fake paranoia. If I'm paranoid, it shows in my actions. Saying "I'm paranoid." is not the same as actual paranoia.

Wow, stuff happened.

I smell a rat. If they have daytime talk, they could've hatched a plan to save koopa. If one flips scum, the other is an easy lynch. He couldn't wait to claim, he kept hinting he was PR before.

unvote

Time will tell.

Ank's flipflopping here confuses me. But I don't intend to default onto him.

vote bulba

The suspicion of Koopa's vig claim is bad, not only because of the genuine emotion elicited from the fakehammer, but also because he earlier criticized those who doubted the mason claim. Yet, he's doing the same thing here.

Rev flip flops a lot as town. *shrug*

-Bulba

let me find a post explaining why i think DOMO is town

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I'm a bad scumhunter? Yeah because I missed orc in my last game, misread him as strong town, and I've been doing it again this game. I'm starting to think orc is teamed with BRO and bulba, and they realise that if bulba dies today, the "hitting his stride" comment will get more love, hawk's comments will be further analysed, and BRO will get lynched to fuck. That's would explain why orc is so keen to protect them.

If BRO and bulba flip same scum team, lynch orc fast please guys, don't let him worm his way out. He is more than capable of towning it to high hell when scum.

this post

screams oblivious town

so hard

[orcinus_theoriginal]

doc tonight should be on one of cabd/BRO/me/fery

masons and domo are not worth protecting

[orcinus_theoriginal]

He did this same crap in xenoblade, and it got town a free ticket to a loss. This isn't an acceptable level of play, metal sonic.

not reaaallyyyyyy

town didn't lose because metal sonic

they lost because MIGHTY BROSEIDON

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Well yes, that too.

Orci, what do you make of the MS reactions?

not indicative

[orcinus_theoriginal]

That's what I thought, sadly. Any idea how the hell we're going to sort this?

tomorrow

i want to meta sonic and rev with scumgames

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I feel like he could fake a reaction like that. Also, his sudden shift to SUPER LURKER STYLE is pinging for me. If he goes back to contributing and being town-like I'll back off and hunt elsewhere.

Holy fuck wtf is everybody smoking. Orc we seriously need to take control of this game before Serene drives it further into the ground.

That lynch was horrible and we should lynch Stevie or Ceph tomorrow. I could also do letters, Brian, or Shadi or mayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyybe Ank if we have a strong enough reason to doubt the claim. Calcifer has also been fishy but I think the above are better targets. Hopefully Goat's replacement makes me feel good townie feelings towards that slot because Goat contributed jack shit but seemed honest in his frustration.

Me/Orc/Cabd/Zdenek/Rift is the group that I'm willing to work with right now. DOMO is moving towards that group because of meta but I'm not as sold as Orc. Masons are very likely town but I'm fucking ignoring them because holy fucking shit.

Also, can we try to spam the thread less. Spamming up the thread this much only helps scum. I abused the fuck out of other people spamming up the thread in Xenoblade and I'd rather not let scum do the same here.

Hi, I didn't notice that you posted sorry

Yes we do. Eh, it wasn't that horrible of a lynch, especially considering the amount of misreads on him. Bulba would've had to go at one point or another. It's not his fault, but his presence in the thread would've derailed town a bit I'm pretty sure.

I like a shadi lynch to be honest and I reallllyyyy dislike the town reads on him. The reaction could've been easily faked especially since all you bastards used the technique beyond any reasonable measure

Something I was very curious about was that in goonies shadi fought a lot against being thought of as a newb and really fought tooth and nail to have his opinions heard. He's doing the exact opposite and I'm actually going to draw a parallel between this and fery's first scumgame onsite.

i am okay with spam the more you post and the less you think when you post, the better a read i can develop on you

[orcinus_theoriginal]

that's the sort of thinking that lets them get through, ank

masons are a bad cop target. i'd rather dram just be straight up vigged

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i would selectively listen to dgb

and completely silence kuribo

just in case that's an option

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Orc, you can't even tell the difference between our posts

Most of today has been DGB just because I'm never home anymore anyway

Hell I barely posted at all in this game last week

what?

yes i can?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

It

shouldn't be that difficult to distinguish her-scum and her-town

have fun being lynched tomorrow

[orcinus_theoriginal]

your reads are inconsistent

have fun being lynched tomorrow

[orcinus_theoriginal]

and it's hard for me to see how that is coming from a town PoV

have fun being lynched tomorrow

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Serene is actually pushing lynches through

have fun being lynched tomorrow

[orcinus_theoriginal]

why did it take you so long to find your role PM, MS? don't you know how to use search functions? didn't you want to know your role when you replaced back in?

have fun being lynched tomorrow

[orcinus_theoriginal]

just by the way do i really have to explain why these quotes are bad or is the communication getting through

[orcinus_theoriginal]

hmm.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: tmt

[orcinus_theoriginal]

hmm.

Want to talk about reads lists?

maybe later

are you still comfortable with cabd

[orcinus_theoriginal]

hmm.

Want to talk about reads lists?

maybe later

are you still comfortable with cabd

It's day three, orcinus. I'm not comfortable with anything. I'm holding it together because a number of my day 1 town reads (even some shaky ones) have flipped town and I want to believe that I'm right about the other ones.

Cabd's play has been pretty solid IMO. We've seen both the facade and the background discussion in AMOL and the mafia QT, though it's a different hydra.

The night kills worry me.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I'm here. My shadi read has gone into higher town, upon re-reading day two interactions. Orci, I know you want him dead, so talk to me.

much more passive than in goonies, completely different attitude to the game

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i also will read rev's scumgame today

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I dislike Cabd

His questioning+discussion driving seems a tad less coherent than xenoblade

[orcinus_theoriginal]

3) I've never said this before, but I apologize now for expressing a desire to throw you into a holocaust oven

I DIED LAUGHING

i am also now writing why cabd should not be taken as strong town

tl;dr:
very quick to back off questioning (at least to me)
very weak line of questioning, not a lot of coherence

what the fuck is with that shadi read

#3850

[orcinus_theoriginal]

His questioning+discussion driving seems a tad less coherent than xenoblade

Xenoblade was my first "real" game here. Do you really not expect me to have learned from it? Not to mention, the awkward way I've been stuck in a hydra with one head means I can't just post like mad from my phone like I did in xenoblade. I may replace out into cabd proper if he doesn't show soon. I had to play day two solo.

But define coherent. Because you worry me as much as I worry you, apparently. You've been spot on on calling alignments of both lynched players well in advance of their wagon picking up steam, and in the case of Nero, well before the rest of us realized it. And stevie too.

As ffery might say: "/paranoia"

this is stupid ms is so ridiculously slow right now

the first two sentences doesn't make sense to me. why would you 'learn' from your towngame to be less coherent?

i may be misremembering here but have you ever even mentioned your hydra buddy in all of day 2? it seems to me like you would want to talk to him about this game if you were town.

you don't worry about me or at least not from what i've seen so that seems a bit off

i laugh whenever people call me scum for opposing lynch wagons that end up being on town. i read nero correctly in last game, i've stated why i think bulbacase was water, and...what the hell is this about stevie?? i've been okay with lynching him...



oh yeah nightkills also implicate you but i'm not going to nkspec on day 3 i hate that shit

pedit: holy shit by the way this whole ban-MS business is fucking retarded

[orcinus_theoriginal]

hiiiiii

i'm so tired right now it's 1:30 am ;(

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i live in china

but i have a flight tomorrow

so

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i definitely think mason claims should not be taken for granted

i know dgb fakeclaims a lot so this just seems really stupid and the whole circumstance under which the claim went down was badddd

i think BS is scum?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

anything else before i pass out quickkkkquickquickquick

re cabd i dunno man i just realized that i wouldn't be able to read cabd because he keeps telling me how much effort he puts into these games so

i think the nks are strange as hell

[orcinus_theoriginal]

bro

TT

[orcinus_theoriginal]

yeah sorry i meant shadi, not BS

I was trying to think about shadi and then i was reading BS' post and then eyah

can you talk to me about how you feel about cabd hard-towning shadi

[orcinus_theoriginal]

orcinus do you think shadi's reaction to bulba's fake venge looked less than genuine?

because my town read on shadi hand was expired before that, and cabd was also talking about putting him in the ok-to-vig pile.

that reaction test has been used about eight times so shadi could've easily faked it

especially since he is a good player which we saw in our last game as selk

so i think it's bad to put him in conftown for that alone

[orcinus_theoriginal]

okay

who are you thinking for tomorrow's lynch

[orcinus_theoriginal]

hmmmmm

i dig baezu

i would like to see dram vigged

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I PRETTY MUCH HAVE A GUILTY RESULT ON ORCINUS

lol

got ya

serene goes tomorrow then

[orcinus_theoriginal]

actually no

tk vig dram please?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

haha ok

[orcinus_theoriginal]

please you're just making a fool of yourself

[orcinus_theoriginal]

ok

[orcinus_theoriginal]

do you see how you're contradicting yourself

in wanting to lynch me

and then directing my night kills

it's kinda sad

pedit: hahaha

[orcinus_theoriginal]

fery: do you post slower in hydra?

and lol i scumslipped lololololol whoops

it's okay tho i scumslip as town occasionally

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yes I do. I have to switch browsers and stuff. When I don't alt slip.

hmm.

fery: do you post slower in hydra?

and lol i scumslipped lololololol whoops

it's okay tho i scumslip as town occasionally

Yeah you did didn't you

AGAIN

But that slip is nothing like the strategic scum blunder you just committed

Don't you regret not having NK'd us?

Ah yeah, but you couldn't, could you? And you know why don't you.

HAHAHAHAHA

yeah i don't get it sorry

[orcinus_theoriginal]

is this a gambit

[orcinus_theoriginal]

fery's lack of involvement in this business worries me

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I wish we had more vig shots, since I'd rather vig dram later if we decide to go that route. In a mini I got out of recently we ran up DCLXVI day 1 and he claimed mason, and the plan was to PL him if he lasted to what we suspected was the day before LyLo to have the other mason be conf-town in LyLo. If we had more vig shots we could do something similar to that.

Also no thoughts on Ceph?

sorry i didn't see these

i'm fine with that. i'm just worried that we actually do have a lot of semi-lurkers in the game and i am reluctant to PL a masonclaim and waste a day

no thoughts on ceph :/ but then again it's 4 fucking am and i do not have many thoughts at all righ tnow haha

[orcinus_theoriginal]

fery's lack of involvement in this business worries me

Tell me what's going on. I already asked what the fuck that post meant and you made some crappy insinuation about me not hitting the refresh button obsessively.

We've got a guilty investigation result. Aside from watching for derphammer shenanigans this thread has not been my top priority the last day or so.

i mean for the last 20 minutes or so when someone softed a guilty investigate

you've done nothing

fery's lack of involvement in this business worries me

You want a townie to come and save you? HAHAHAHA

save me from what

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i'm fine with that. i'm just worried that we actually do have a lot of semi-lurkers in the game and i am reluctant to PL a masonclaim and waste a day

Funny how I predicted this exact backtrack in our hydra QT.

ok sweetheart

[orcinus_theoriginal]

no you're still idiots

because i didn't back out of wanting to vig dram

i said that i am reluctant to policy lynch a masonclaim

that is why i want dramonic vigged

because i dont' want to waste a lynch on him

[orcinus_theoriginal]

serene has downs.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

What part of not following the thread obsessively right now do you not understand?

And why didn't you answer my question? I've asked twice? My inclination is to chalk this up to serene being serene and pulling another gambit, but you're overreacting all over the fucking place.

what question? the part about me saying 'my nightkill'? i said that it was a scumslip. but you understand the meaning i'm trying to get at

how am i overreacting?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i mean for the last 20 minutes or so when someone softed a guilty investigate

you've done nothing

OH OH OH

And now you suspect I have an

INVESTIGATIVE ROLE

and you want Rift Adrift to "retro-counterclaim" me???

HAHAHA

Oh you're so scum

Why would you think I'm softclaiming an INVESTIGATIVE result unless I was spot on

Oh no my dear

DEDUCTIVE POWERZ IS WHERE IT'S AT

i want you to sit down

and accept

that you are a shitty mafia player

i don't mind you being a shitty mafia player

i mind that you are completely oblivious to that fact

If you actually think we're going to lynch orcinus today over a guilty result especially given that you refuse to provide reasoning, you may actually be delusional

In all fairness Serene is delusional.

i think i'm reacting badly to some of fery's posts

[orcinus_theoriginal]

What part of not following the thread obsessively right now do you not understand?

And why didn't you answer my question? I've asked twice? My inclination is to chalk this up to serene being serene and pulling another gambit, but you're overreacting all over the fucking place.

what question? the part about me saying 'my nightkill'? i said that it was a scumslip. but you understand the meaning i'm trying to get at

I think so, but I'd still like for you to say what you meant.

how am i overreacting?

I dunno...freaking out because I wasn't instantaneously in this thread?

sure

serene wanted to lynch me

and then told me who my night kill should be

obviously i don't have a night kill but it's contradictory


Oh haha my suspicion of you originally didn't have anything to do with this whole business but this has solidified it a bit

I don't know

your replies seemed overly aggressive and i typically associate that with scum-fery rather than town-fery

and your replies to conversations with me and cabd on day 1 have been slower than some of our other games together, or so it seems

[orcinus_theoriginal]

What part of not following the thread obsessively right now do you not understand?

And why didn't you answer my question? I've asked twice? My inclination is to chalk this up to serene being serene and pulling another gambit, but you're overreacting all over the fucking place.

this post especially seemed off to me

[orcinus_theoriginal]

because i didn't back out of wanting to vig dram

Yeah you did

He said he didn't think it was a good idea for reasons of insufficient vig shots, and you didn't insist.

wow

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Well, I'm playing a lot more games than I ever have before. None of my games get the kind of attention I was giving games 2-3 months ago.

You know personally how the hydra aspect affects my play.

ughhhhhhhhhhhhhh

that makes sense i guess

[orcinus_theoriginal]

this is the slowest you have ever been to read me

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Rift, I wanted to go over potential vig shortlist and etc, but reading up and it seems sorting out this mess is priority number one now.

@cabd/fery: do you remember why i said varsoon was conftown?

do you think it applies to serene after this episode?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

this is the slowest you have ever been to read me

This is the first time a solid read of you has ever been shaken I doubt it would have been if not for xenoblade and being so sure you were town.

hnnnnnnnngggggggg

holy fuck but this does not make sense

why are we still alive


why did you hydra with syr and not me


i need you ;_;

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Rift, I wanted to go over potential vig shortlist and etc, but reading up and it seems sorting out this mess is priority number one now.

@cabd/fery: do you remember why i said varsoon was conftown?

do you think it applies to serene after this episode?

the gambiting head of serene is batshit. The only one I try to read is kuribo and I think he's town.

ugghhhh

Rift, I wanted to go over potential vig shortlist and etc, but reading up and it seems sorting out this mess is priority number one now.

@cabd/fery: do you remember why i said varsoon was conftown?

do you think it applies to serene after this episode?

The remark about craziness or something like that? I don't exactly remember.

too crazy to be scum

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i realized that i never did meta rev as scum

ugghh i'll save it for some other time

[orcinus_theoriginal]

tomorrow

if we had any redirective roles that could've screwed with the night kills

i want them to claim

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yeah, all those questions and I haven't wanted to speculate out loud until tomorrow, but it's one of two things - cross-shooting attempts, or the {the townbloc has scum in it | at least one near universal townread is scum}

tomorrow is too late

the d1 and d2 night kills were enough

in two nights scum have not started taking shots at the strong town reads. something is up.

the former and the latter are not mutually exclusive and the former doesn't really make sense from what i saw in xenoblade

you know what i think of the situation

this is a conclusion that i've used many times and it's yet to fail me so i am very much inclined to think that one of mason/you/cabd is scum

the problem is that aside from night kills i don't see any of you as scum

but

hng

can we just talk about this right now instead of tomorrow

[orcinus_theoriginal]

do you know cabd's scumkill habits?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i am being forcibly reminded of mattp in mol

[orcinus_theoriginal]

IIRC they killed him because his head wasn't in the game yet and it wouldn't point back at anybody.

calcifer was going to be a really difficult lynch. From a town point of view they were vulnerable but thinking from a scum point of view, knowing he was either town or other-scum-team, it was just a matter of time before Nacho clicked and galvanized. Mastin was working on updated reads during twilight. I can totally see them as someone any scum team would want out of the game The real question is why not night 1? But it could have been due to worries about who would be protected.

i'm trying to use a proxy to get to the scum qt but it's going to take a while

ProHawk, VT was killed night1
TheIrishPope, VT was killed night1
^^^^this smells of cabd^^^^

Calcifer, VT, was killed Night 2.
StevieT92, VT, was killed Night 2. (vig)
Zdenek, VT, was killed Night 2.

just posting the list for me to look at...

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Nice distractions orcinus

I like how you want to have dram vig'ed to test the mason claim
BUT at the same time you haven't suggested that we're scum setting you up

NOOooooooo
You suggested that you thought we're an INVESTIGATIVE PR that ought to be counterclaimed

ORCINUS CONFIRMED SCUM

Will you read your own posts and think about them? If he thought you were softclaiming investigative and he's town, then fuck yeah he'd want you counterclaimed because it's only two options and one of them doesn't happen in normal set ups. So, your softclaim would HAVE to be a lie.

don't feed the troll

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Mattp was my free inactive kill in AMOL. What about him?

http://quicktopic.com/50/H/vAWPR5qLPFS/p233.218

doesn't sound like it

[orcinus_theoriginal]

just posting the list for me to look at...

Oh good so you NK'd Calcifer and Zdenek.

Do you even think about what you post?

stop. feeding. the. troll.

tk i hope you reconsider

[orcinus_theoriginal]

My reasons for killing matt were more the unlikely to be protected angle. Whereas for iece and mara, they feared him as a player.

this seems like a pretty drastic change from
seems like this changed from

Mattp was my free inactive kill in AMOL. What about him?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

He likes to keep people who suspect him alive.

188 in scum qt:
I want selkies alive for the same reason I kept you alive in our newbie game. Selkies townreads the shit out of me.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

tk you're going to finish that sentence right

still what?

dramonic is useless

serene is too disruptive and stupid to be conftown even with a d1 mason claim

mason claim under very strange circumstances

looks like a good shot to me

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i am being forcibly reminded of mattp in mol

He was on our suspect list all the way up to the point where he claimed to have watched Iece kill Nero Cain on night 3. We put aside the suspicions and died on night 4.In [url=http

i feel like we're not talking about the same thing

cabd shot mattp in mol

it looks similar to the tip kill

:/

oh actually hang on i see

but in mol at least cabd was under the impression that we were townreading him

so...:/ I mean it's not like he can see our hydra discussions

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Oh hell that was the night 1 kill.

LOL our scumpiling them on day 2 must have been a pleasant surprise.


hmm.

yeah that haha

[orcinus_theoriginal]

but he did talk about avoiding the doc protection.

right

this is why the TIP kill looks like cabd

everyone has kill patterns as scum

universal town reads that are actually scum tend to kill lower-leveled townreads

TIP was townread by a few people

cabd kills much more lower-leveld townreads than you or I

[orcinus_theoriginal]

and of course everything else that I said about cabd

I would reject BRO's claim that cabd townreading shadi hard for the reaction claim is reasonable because cabd is a much better player than that

i certainly did not see anything of the sort in xenoblade

i've also explained to him several times why i do not like the hard townread on shadi and instead of talking to me about it he goes ahead with it anyways

i don't like that

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Ok, I'm taking a break from this thread for a while.

Will think about this stuff and reread the kill choice disccussion on the AMOL QT.

I'm sleeping good night~

And mollie said hi to me for you, Adium hasn't been working for me lately but I will definitely try to fix it ASAP

Also note cabd's reaction in this entire process

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Lolsies

I have a flight in an hour ill get to this tonight

Don't hammer before I get this bullshit sorted

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Oh yeah

Fery is scum

[orcinus_theoriginal]

4093

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Fery trust DGBs ability to read me over her own?

Nah

[orcinus_theoriginal]

And the wording is off from what I expect

Too aggressive for what should be a tentative turnaround

The whole post is freaking weird

Is this not obvious?

Pedit no there was no "ill go over it" in that post

That was: serene NK? Lynch orcinus no questions

Nop

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Fery trust DGBs ability to read me over her own?

Nah

If she's talking about reads she can forget it. I read that as saying that her flip - her role - will implicate you. I'll believe it when I see it.

Is it not obvious yet that her entire read on me is based on her thinking that I retracted my dram vig request (which I didn't)

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Fery trust DGBs ability to read me over her own?

Nah

If she's talking about reads she can forget it. I read that as saying that her flip - her role - will implicate you. I'll believe it when I see it.

Is it not obvious yet that her entire read on me is based on her thinking that I retracted my dram vig request (which I didn't)

Oh so is this us reading delusionalgoofball's posting in two different ways

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Wait hang on

What the hell do you think she is

A day cop?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Well orci, that was a nice pile of WTF.

First of all, as ffery noted, I was sorta-kinda-not-really VLA. I've been phoneposting mostly from work.

Secondly, the whole point of targeting an inactive night one was BECAUSE they wouldn't get doctored. Mattp made total sense because he had done nothing really protown, no way a protective role was gonna target him over one of the claimed PRs (and in fact, nero targeted marangal night one)

Thirdly, I have my reasons for townreading shadi. I'm not going to oppose you if you want to present a case to convince me otherwise, though.

Oh and fifthly, why the fuck did it take your "my nightkill" slip happening to make you suddenly start hard attacking me instead of going all passive aggressive ITT? 'cuz like, you were questioning me and then all of a sudden "cabd is probs scum, here's why, and I'm gonna pull stuff from AMOL and twist it to make sense here" It's like you're fitting the evidence into the conclusion you want.

1 me too I'm on a plane right now about to take off how are you?
2 why are you ignoring my point which is that the TIP NK is comparable to mattp? Nobody else would've killed freaking TIP
3 ok sure
4 explain why dram is not viggable
5 why are you linking these two events together?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

One of you and fery are scum

There I said it

Tonight I'm going to figure out which

(If I don't post tonight just assume I don't have Internet and so I won't be back by day end)

Pedit: did you miss the deductive reasoning post

[orcinus_theoriginal]

3995

[orcinus_theoriginal]

One of you and fery are scum

There I said it

Tonight I'm going to figure out which

(If I don't post tonight just assume I don't have Internet and so I won't be back by day end)

Pedit: did you miss the deductive reasoning post

So do you want us to hold off on the hammer?

Yes please

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Hng

I was online last night but Internet fizzled out so now I'm on my phone

Ill try to get back to the hotel earlier today to beat Internet going out

Cabd did you ignore my questions

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I'd rather listen to Fery's read on Cabd

2 what do you make of the tip kill
4 that's the mindset that lets mason Fakeclaims work
5 logical fallacy and I had already said that this was a coincidence
6 explained this and you answer it in 7 so this is deliberate obtuseness
7 calibre of remaining players
8 explained this. Disruptiveness, lying, bad play on serene's part, dram is obv, neither of them would be town reads if it were not for the mason claim and the timing of that sucked
9 I assume because DGB thinks I retracted my call for a dram vig and that never actually happened. What was the point of this
10 I scum slip as town
11 I will refrain from commentin on DOMO further before I get a read of revs scumgame

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Stupid phone ate my Cabd post ill do it later

Given that people have been downgrading his towniness? I think it's ok

[orcinus_theoriginal]

That comment actually did not improve my suspicion of you

You know as well as I that nightkills made after public NK spec are useless

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Well SK actually

[orcinus_theoriginal]

But yes vig is a billion times more likely than any other scenario

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Bro talk to me bout cabd

[orcinus_theoriginal]

hey sexiesssss

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I'd rather listen to Fery's read on Cabd

What? I thought you

just

said one of the two of us are scum. So why would you listen to one's read on the other?

this is a stupid question and i don't associate cabd with stupid

2- I'm with baby spice, looks like vig/sk/scum setting up vig claim.

firstly we obviously don't have a second vig and secondly how many times have you seen shit like that happen

3- You left this out. Case or no case?

is it not clear yet that shadi is not on my list of priorities why are you diverting

4 fair enough but I disagree completely, so whatever. You'll need a stronger case to convince me that's ever a good idea. Actually, no, you don't need to. You need to convince thirdkoopa and he's veyr much against it.

contentless rejection

5 break it down for me like i'm TIP, how is it logical fallacy?

post hoc

6 your view of it not mine

are you serious

like

are you serious

firstly i have made it incredibly clear why i think there is scum between you and fery

secondly THAT IS MY FUCKING VIEW

that's ridiculous

7 "calibre of remaining players" so you're telling me zdenek/cephrir were crap players? Looks to me like all the killing groups avoided potential doctor targets and went for two good players, since, you know, you openly ordered doctor on the 4 of {me, rift, you, bro}

WHICH IS WHY I SAID THAT THERE IS SCUM BETWEEN YOU AND FERYTODAY

NOT WHEN ZD WAS STILL ALIVE

and i have no meta experience with ceph

8 explained this. Meh. That's not really convincing, I don't see scum there.

contentless rejection

9 The point of it was I want to know what you make of the case against you?

what the fuck are you looking for in this question

10 Fair enough but I don't seem to recall you doing that in AMOL or as scum in Xeno

1. i barely posted in amol
2. i said i scumslip as town and i was scum in xeno

11 I'll be waiting.

why are you intent on diverting me away from my hypothesis of you/fery

[orcinus_theoriginal]

L-1 actually, but it appears orci has no internet. Rift? Any objections to hammering? This day isn't going anywhere.

obviously i disliked this

[orcinus_theoriginal]

fery can you tell me what was going through your head when you saw 3412

[orcinus_theoriginal]

there was something else that caught my eye on a brief skin of the 8 pages:

Nulls:
Orc (not enough posts yet)
Everyone Else because it’s like page 6 and several people only have RVS posts.

Krab person (cabd?) - why did you feel the need to seperate orc for not having enough posts from everyone else who don't have enough posts? I found this kinda bizarre behaviour.

It's weird to see him NOT super hyperactive, after seeing his play in other games. I felt it needed more distinction, hence "not enough posts yet", because orci usually has walls up by now.

where have you seen me walling

like am i so oxygen-deprived right now that i don't even remember my own playstyle

[orcinus_theoriginal]

cabd's posts has a very different vibe from xenoblade

here it's a lot of questions (even when he's trying to make a point) and that gives his ISO a weird feel

in xenoblade it was a lot more "here is what is happening you are scum because this", very certain, very in control

I don't know if I'm picking at straws here but I'm just going through this game picking up every little thing right now and sorting it out later

[orcinus_theoriginal]

His questioning+discussion driving seems a tad less coherent than xenoblade

Xenoblade was my first "real" game here. Do you really not expect me to have learned from it? Not to mention, the awkward way I've been stuck in a hydra with one head means I can't just post like mad from my phone like I did in xenoblade. I may replace out into cabd proper if he doesn't show soon. I had to play day two solo.

But define coherent. Because you worry me as much as I worry you, apparently. You've been spot on on calling alignments of both lynched players well in advance of their wagon picking up steam, and in the case of Nero, well before the rest of us realized it. And stevie too.

As ffery might say: "/paranoia"

this is stupid ms is so ridiculously slow right now

the first two sentences doesn't make sense to me. why would you 'learn' from your towngame to be less coherent?

i may be misremembering here but have you ever even mentioned your hydra buddy in all of day 2? it seems to me like you would want to talk to him about this game if you were town.

you don't worry about me or at least not from what i've seen so that seems a bit off

i laugh whenever people call me scum for opposing lynch wagons that end up being on town. i read nero correctly in last game, i've stated why i think bulbacase was water, and...what the hell is this about stevie?? i've been okay with lynching him...



oh yeah nightkills also implicate you but i'm not going to nkspec on day 3 i hate that shit

pedit: holy shit by the way this whole ban-MS business is fucking retarded

this is unreplied to

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I didn't take it very well. I felt like you were dismissing my concerns about them and not really considering my view. You posted this in a time frame where your lack of activity and promises to review stuff later had been making me nervous. And it was another read that you and I disagreed on, while Syr and I were in agreement. You were pushing people I had in my town pile and pushing back on Bulba.

thanks

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Can you explain your Nero case? What has changed since your early read?

Your reads list said:

Nero Cain (he recovered a little from our early scum read, but has mostly faded into the woodwork lately)

What exactly did you mean by fading into the woodwork?


~C

i remember talking to fery about how this was a useless question

or maybe i didn't but i definitely thought it at the time

i'm thinking whether or not scum-cabd's meta is to ask pointless questions for the sake of appearing to contribute

because i saw that a few times in tht recent x-examination with me

[orcinus_theoriginal]

{spice, ank, bulba, Hollywood, maonic, stevie} maybe?

Both the townreads in that list have a positive utility to their death. Maonic immediately 120% confotowns serene and proves the mason claim that some people seem to be doubting. Spice because metal sonic all over again.

hmm.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

reading through newbie 1367, scumcabd distances his buddies like fuck

so unless he seriously stepped up his game i'm guessing that if he is scum he is not scum with shadi

which makes me feel a bit better about the whole cabd/shadi interaction

because the thing is cabd started out by hardtowning shadi and then did a 180 and scumread him, and then after what I thought was a pretty weak gambit especially considering how much it's been overused, basically thought shadi as contown

the whole thing read as a bit off to me but I guess if cabd/shadi isn't a team that kills the suspicion there a little

ugh but i really hate using newbie games as meta basis


cabd's proactiveness is somewhere between his scumgames and xenoblade and that's just a little ew

stay tuned

[orcinus_theoriginal]

TiP was vig'ed

not necessarily

you dropped a really retarded crumb to tip mason that i picked up on, maybe scum team did too

oh yes and @TIP kill

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Whoever killed TIP was I think a high calibre player because they picked up on 1082

So yeah

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Dram needs to be vigged

so cabd's post was after i suggested dram vig

[orcinus_theoriginal]

shadi took EIGHT MINUTES to post his readlist in that stupid gambit on 143

how the fuck does that conftown him

cabd is not this retarded

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I was wondering how long it would take you to revert back to your classic day one play, hawk. I'd usually say you're town for it, but the delayed timing makes it seem forced, kind of like you're trying to invoke your townmeta. Furthermore, do you intend to tell me that my vote served no use? It made it apparent we had a player actively lurking, that is, watching the thread but not posting.

dramonic seems to be set on saying absolutely nothing of value.

You seem a bit more annoyed than normal and, this is quite unlike your town-meta response... soo?

But... going back and reading your post in question it appears you had Dramonic in your scum-pile you had just put a ton of empty lines in between so I missed it and what I was seeing as scummy was a mistake on my part.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: BROsideon

A certain head in this hydra is annoyed by just about anything, could explain meta variance.

Other head needs to get back from dinner so we can convene on a view on this interesting conversation about Doc here

.

How's this coming along?

I got back from dinner, but he was asleep/offline. We're in different time zones, etc. Also he's not able to stay up very late. We'll geetcha an answer once I get to sit down with him. Which will be tomorrow. You know how that is, what with time zones sucking.

deja vu from some of the stuff gcbc posted that was exactly among the same lines but i'm not too sure how indicative that is

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Prohawk looked like he was on the verge of making a case on cabd. Since he had extensive meta knowledge of cabd that could've been dangerous

he never mentioned rift adrift or fery