NY 171: An Education in Telling Jokes (Game Over!)

[Marquis]

let's make this a wagon

VOTE: Nikanor

[Marquis]

I really hope Nikanor is Super Ultra Mega Hyper Potion Hated.

[Marquis]

plus it's almost her scumday
you guys are so heartless omg
can't we all just get along

We should lynch her before she powers up

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Elyse

[Marquis]

...what?

unvote vote Marquis

You're just jealous because I got to switch votes before you.

[Marquis]

@Tripod Do you want to explain your vote?

Do you want to ask everyone else to explain their vote, or have you already chosen today's mislynch?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: tman2nd

[Marquis]

aaaaaand Marquis is town. town block party!

unvote vote tman

VOTE: utVOTE:

Oh oh oh, let me help!

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Untrod Tripod

[Marquis]

Your tags made my tags mess up and that sucks!

VOTE: Untrod Tripod

[Marquis]

Your tags made my tags mess up and that sucks!

VOTE: Untrod Tripod

[Marquis]

Your tags made my tags mess up and that sucks!

VOTE: Untrod Tripod

[Marquis]

Your tags made my tags mess up and that sucks!

VOTE: Untrod Tripod

[Marquis]

Your tags made my tags mess up and that sucks!

VOTE: Untrod Tripod

[Marquis]

Fuck.

[Marquis]

@Tripod Do you want to explain your vote?

Do you want to ask everyone else to explain their vote, or have you already chosen today's mislynch?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: tman2nd

Wait, so you make this vote only to vote for Tripod a moment later? Why? VOTE: Marquis

@Tripod You still haven't answered my question.

You still haven't answered my question.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: tman2nd

There you go, now it's serious.

[Marquis]

@Tripod Do you want to explain your vote?

Do you want to ask everyone else to explain their vote, or have you already chosen today's mislynch?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: tman2nd

Wait, so you make this vote only to vote for Tripod a moment later? Why? VOTE: Marquis

@Tripod You still haven't answered my question.

You still haven't answered my question.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: tman2nd

There you go, now it's serious.

I was specifically asking him, although everyone else is welcome to elaborate on their reasons.

Your turn!

I didn't like how he called me town and I saw a creative opportunity to fix Mollie's tags while capitalizing on my dislike of that post!

Well, seems like we've come full circle! No more discussion needed today.

[Marquis]

WEIRD AS FUCK!

MUST BE SCUM!

[Marquis]

get rekt

[Marquis]

I think Marquis needs to be more serious. I can't tell what he actually thinks.

Is the fact that I like to add smiley faces to things... distracting? Because I'm pretty sure I actually called you out on questioning UT about his vote- apparently, you took that one line and vote for me seriously as opposed to everything else that's been posted

I really hope Nikanor is Super Ultra Mega Hyper Potion Hated.

Weird

plus it's almost her scumday
you guys are so heartless omg
can't we all just get along

We should lynch her before she powers up

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Elyse

Weirder....

@Tripod Do you want to explain your vote?

Do you want to ask everyone else to explain their vote, or have you already chosen today's mislynch?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: tman2nd

Ok wtf is this real life?

aaaaaand Marquis is town. town block party!

unvote vote tman

HOW?!?!?!?!

well if that exchange wasn't weird as fuck i don't know what is.

Yeah... I know.

unvote

Vote: Marquis

Or am I just being trolled?

Am I trolling you trolling me? Again, I don't know how you can construe something mildly weird as something totally scum

The fact that it looks like you just quoted the first few posts of my ISO, ignoring the IMO weirder duplicate posts and exchange with Mollie, and mistranslated what was a completely valid question to tman to "wtf is this!!!!!?!??!?!?", kind of bothers me as well.

[Marquis]

or have you already chosen today's mislynch?

This is what bothered me in that quote Marq. A player who doesn't take accusations seriously just looks scummy to me. Your "weird" posting catches my attention because I don't see the intent to scumhunt, just to post without putting up info for us to go on.

"or have you already chosen today's mislynch" is just a more entertaining way of saying "you're scummy for focusing on this one player's vote when there are plenty of other 'RVS' votes that have yet to be explained"!

How is there not any "intent to scumhunt" when I'm calling tman out on singling out UT's vote as opposed to asking for clarification for other arguably less-justified votes????

Attempting to discredit my vote by saying weird=/=scum isn't going to work. The basis of my vote wasn't strictly because he is a weird player.

All three of those posts that I quoted- 15, 20, and 34 had one common factor and that was him pushing mislynches, even if it was in a joking, "weird" way. You want to mess around like that once, fine... but when you consistently posting in an anti-town fashion, the I feel that warrants a vote.

Let's talk about diction here- why exactly do you see it as pushing

mislynches

, instead of making multiple RVS votes, or, God forbid, actually finding tman's selective quoting and UT's easy town-naming/blocking scummy?

Is there anything about my votes on Nikanor, Elyse, tman2nd, Untrod Tripod, Untrod Tripod, Untrod Tripod, Untrod Tripod, Untrod Tripod, and tman2nd, in that order, that suggests I'm actually scum trying to get them mislynched? Or would you rather interpret Matias' one post and vote for Nikanor, Elyse's jump on the Nikanor RVS wagon, UT's jump on the Elyse wagon and vote for me and vote for tman2nd etc. etc. all as everyone being scum hoping to mislynch everyone else?

Also, Death Notes kill people. Killing people is for scum.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DeathNote

[Marquis]

2. the wking that he did? I am wondering how you could have missed it.

I'm assuming you're referring to Post 17? That looks more like buddying more so than white knighting.

If anything, Marquis's Post 34 is a better example of white knighting. (It was actually tempting to vote Marquis rather than Tripod when I was laying out the posts back in Post 71, but I ultimately thought Tripod's play was more suspicious than Marquis and therefore that's where my vote went.)

Please define white knighting for me- I know the term, but I feel like it'd be interesting to hear your interpretation of it, since apparently I'm not allowed to call out a bad and unnecessarily selective question.

Additionally, if I told you right now that UT and I were Bulletproof Mason Lovers, would you believe it?

[Marquis]

Something I did deliberately? Why yes, I do think people are aware of the votes they make when they type out the VOTE: tag for everyone and their moderator of choice to see it.

Coasting? No, coasting would be making a single RVS post and letting attention pass them by, like Matias, who's not posted since despite being active in general.

The sarcastic tone of mislynching? Is this some new sort of scum meta? Because I wasn't aware that sarcasm was a God-given right for scum and scum alone.

Forced scum play? I'm wounded. Perhaps to confirm myself as town, I should lurk excessively and instead of getting called out for posting, get called out later on for "no original content".

PEDIT: Goddammit, RC, fuck off.

[Marquis]

I like Poro. He's cute.

[Marquis]

He just got a bit less cute.

[Marquis]

a/s/l 4 a/s/l imo

[Marquis]

I asked for a COFFEE frappuccino but the BARISTA gave me a CARAMEL one........ omfgg

[Marquis]

tman what UT my fellow bulletproof mason lover is saying is that u should probably calm ur tits

Pedit really don't want to draw on sketchy meta things but Elyse feels too serious for me to be comfortable with her

[Marquis]

No, Green, it was said/implied, since you criticized my post for WKing. There was no WKing involved, just me asking tman why he chose to ask only UT for a vote explanation. I was calling out a bad question and bad attack- that doesn't mean I was defending UT blindly, and in fact I still have bad feelings about him calling me town the way he did.

[Marquis]

In other news, I'm adding Marquis to my list of super duper town ppl

[Marquis]

In other news, I'm adding Marquis to my list of super duper town ppl

[Marquis]

i'm bored

[Marquis]

I am an Innocent Child

[Marquis]

i'm bored why

[Marquis]

w h a t

[Marquis]

I challenge RadiantCowbells to a duel!

[Marquis]

Oh, darn. This is a Normal game.

EXPLODE on RadiantCowbells

[Marquis]

It's certainly cute.

[Marquis]

I still kind of really like Mala's reaction to my actual claim. Screw paranoia, I'll say at least something feels genuine for once.

[Marquis]

thinking dethy is town

the fact that you said this makes me unsure now though

[Marquis]

hey do you guys like my new avatar? or should i change it back

you have inspired me to become a better person <3

[Marquis]

Evilpacman, that's really cool that your location is my hometown, awesome! Are you an APU or Citrus student, by the way?

[Marquis]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Zekrom25

pretty sure he's just stalling scum rather than mislynch bait.

[Marquis]

While Poro's RC example bothers me, I'm not a fan of policy lynches right off the bat.

Evilpacman, that's really cool that your location is my hometown, awesome! Are you an APU or Citrus student, by the way?

I go to APU!

[Marquis]

I'm walking a thin line here, so I'd rather not explain.

[Marquis]

I'll try to explain, but @ Mala this is pretty much his ISO:

@tman2nd what are your thoughts on mollie ?

4
asks for thoughts

Vote: Untrod Tripod

i find your lack of information disturbing

criticizes/votes for lack of content

@pisskop why are you suggesting a mis-lynch

asks for... idek what

RVS: Random Voting Stage. Most Mafia games start with a phase wherein people vote for silly reasons,

until someone slips up or makes a legitimate accusation.

This is a sentence.

explain what your point is

the point of this post was best summarized here

mollie what are your thoughts ?

asks for thoughts

@pisskop what are your thoughts ?

asks for thoughts

i still have to doublecheck something

stalling

Just because someone's new doesn't mean they should automatically be pushed to the "newb-town" side of new. His posts look more like new scum constantly waiting for something to bandwagon- which in fact he already did with the UT vote. He's just constantly stalling his reads and pretending to look helpful, and when he gets an answer to his question he doesn't do anything with it and doesn't even seem to care. I think if he was new-town he would be much more willing to post an opinion on any post, especially considering how long he's been around and apparently reading.

[Marquis]

Tone-wise I still think Poro is holding back a bit too much.

[Marquis]

Mollie + Zekrom = bulletproof mason lovers?

[Marquis]

I am an Innocent Child!

apparently the ! was necessary

[Marquis]

Innocent Child means mod confirmed. Shut the fuck up with your stupid bullshit.

In some games, IC self-activates. Just making sure I'm not a Hidden Innocent Child

[Marquis]

You came into the game trying to find a serious lynch to push when we were still mostly in a fun little RVS session. That's like walking into a circus and arresting the clown for assault and battery.

[Marquis]

Not that I mind comparing myself to a clown, mind you.

Still, you should really stop making something out of nothing. You just said players react differently- that's wonderful. But me reacting differently from whoever you compared me to makes me scum pushing for a clearly RVS mislynch? I mean, I know my power to vote and unvote must be really scary, but man, come on.

[Marquis]

Some of the scum "townreading" me will eventually find a way to conveniently retract their read. So don't worry, not all hope is lost!

[Marquis]

Some of the scum "townreading" me will eventually find a way to conveniently retract their read. So don't worry, not all hope is lost!

yeah anyone who reads you as scum has to be scum, right?

Mr. Untrod Tripod sir, you're stretching my mouth wide open. Like, my jaw is totally

unhinged

from all the big thick

words

you've been

shoving

down my throat.

[Marquis]

molli fite me irl

[Marquis]

This discussion is tiresome let's lynch zekrom now I demand it

[Marquis]

This discussion is tiresome let's lynch zekrom now I demand it

i can't help myself any longer

OBJECTION !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Marquis]

yeah I'm not not lynching zekrom

[Marquis]

To be honest I wouldn't want Zekrom alive with me in the end game.

^

this is probably the one time i've ever advocated for a policy lynch so zekrom if you're scum you should feel special and if you're town well you should still feel pretty special

[Marquis]

is it really supposed to be taken for granted that he's a VI? I mean, it feels like I'm the only one still thinking or maybe even just hoping he's scum. It's not like scum can't just be obvious if they're a new player, anyway

[Marquis]

there's a difference between nothingbad and just plain scummybad right

[Marquis]

I'm literally hard with anticipation

this excited me more than it should have

[Marquis]

I do like the way he threw in the word town there though, guess he was worried we might mistake that for a straight out scum claim

I kind of maybe agree with this part at least

[Marquis]

You can all fuck straight the fuck off. This is clearly not my scum game. Do you think that as scum I would be this blatantly scummy? I am unfamiliar with most of this player list, and have no basis for reads. I am going off of the things that some people I do know are saying and reads they are making. The thing that set me off was Z asking someone else to help get the heat off of him. UT why would he be asking you to get heat off of him? How could you even do this at the point in the game we are at, you guys aren't masons.

One-shot vig? Fucking shitty scum fake claim. I do like the way he threw in the word town there though, guess he was worried we might mistake that for a straight out scum claim. So what happens when we don't have a two kill night? You claim to be blocked, or you take credit for a kill and hypothesize that there must have been a block on scum or a protect on town? Good luck with that shit if you guys mislynch me.

Zekrom:

If you're the vig, vig yourself.

(or tman.)

[Marquis]

random quotes ftw

[Marquis]

Don't sas me you jerk. I am just saying that you pushed me for the same damn reason you pushed FF and you're an idiot.

sas

i like this

[Marquis]

i do what the fuck i want

[Marquis]

I JUST WANT TO LYNCH ZEKROM I THINK FORMERFISH IS TOWN BECAUSE I AGREE WITH HIM YTHAN GIVES ME THE HEEBIE JEEBIES BUT YEAH LYNCH ZEKROM

[Marquis]

wait fuck i forgot his claim

i'd give him one night to confirm it??? idk but i don't think he'll be nightkilled anyway if real so..... actually idk the correct play in this situation

[Marquis]

I know

[Marquis]

Sorry if this makes me look bad but screw it.

This isn't your QT, dear

[Marquis]

Why does he always talk like he's scum not town omfg

[Marquis]

Inconsistency is not necessarily a scum trait but it sure makes me want to vote people

[Marquis]

Limited access atm but you're still set on lynching fish when zekrom is off the table for his claim?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: UT

Can we just lynch you today instead

[Marquis]

i hated zekroms claim more

[Marquis]

im null on fish because i see equally scum and me-as-pissed-off-town

[Marquis]

any suggestions for a scum kill ?

which seems scummy ?

cmon, this seems obtusely town.

it's trolling. town or scum

[Marquis]

oh this is gonna be good

[Marquis]

and UT I thought I was a town read for you when did that change

pedit everyone is scum and everyone needs to die

[Marquis]

a really stupid attempted rhetorical question

[Marquis]

and UT I thought I was a town read for you when did that change

pedit everyone is scum and everyone needs to die

look, it's day 1 and all I have to go on here is reactions. you seemed to be discrediting the chained vig plan, and that's the textbook scum reaction. sorry dude.

i'm sorry i have a scumread on you and therefore don't want town to have to follow whatever you're laying out for them

there are too many unknown variables, i.e. the presence of an rb/jk that can/will target zekrom and/or fish. there's probably going to be some shit where we mislynch town today, zekrom's action as real vig gets fucked with/we underestimate the number of scum kills or don't plan for multiball and zekrom claims one of two+ kills to get away for another day as scum

i can't tell anymore who between you, zekrom, or death for just even sheeping you now i want to lynch, but it's not fish at all today. i don't even care if he's pulling shit right now as scum because these concerns were all validated in that last game i finished and i'm done with the plans not working out

can we just lynch scum today and stop the fucking pr hunting

[Marquis]

thanks for your time

[Marquis]

hmm....

if you really are the vig "hmm...." had better be about you shooting ut if we don't lynch either of you today

[Marquis]

shut your fucking face, Marquis

you have done literally dick all this game and here you are at the end of day one trying to deflect a bullet away from yourself and discredit one of the few people actually participating because SURPRISE SURPRISE someone noticed you intentionally not posting content. eat your goddamn bullet.

[Marquis]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: sthar

[Marquis]

ive seriously just stopped caring now

[Marquis]

give me a lynch before my apathy makes me idle

[Marquis]

me too

[Marquis]

also the real reason i'm voting star is because sheeping mollie seems actually productive now

[Marquis]

all Marquis has done all. game. is post smiley faces and PURPOSEFULLY not engage with reads and the game as a whole. he's flaunting his lack of engagement. a. how do you have a read on that? b. why are you willing to let that live?

extra stripes are always good

i made scumreads early on but then i realized if people were going to be mad at me for having them then it might just be better to sheep my townreads instead

pedit or if i went back to scumreads we could actually lynch zekrom who is actively attempting to troll- no, he's not

that

new, he's purposely being scummy. or lynch ut because posting a lot =/= town and i just don't like how he reversed his townread on me :c not willing to lynch fish today esp. if ut wants to lynch him

pedit2 sorry my laptop ran out of power so effectively i'm like 10 posts late or something

[Marquis]

i think mala is town

[Marquis]

well rc is town but the only read of his i'm sheeping is the ut one i think

[Marquis]

my townlist: mollie, nikanor, rc, ??fish??????
my scumlist: ut, zekrom, sthar for some reason idk anymore

everyone else is probably-scum by default

[Marquis]

no you wanted to waste lynch on the claimed doc instead?? i think

i don't get why if he's town that he had to claim doc is just as bad as say a bulletproof having to claim. i mean there's only a chance that there's a scum roleblocker who can stop the doc if they choose to not risk hitting another pr, whereas bp wouldn't be targeted by a kill then. ok that was confusing but what i meant was when i see people saying or implying "might as well lynch fish since if he's town he's useless now anyway" no that's dumb stopthat

peeeeedit jfc

[Marquis]

zekrom what are you even doing you're literally just appeasing everyone who asks you to kill someone for them

[Marquis]

ok wow

i still don't understand what you guys mean about "chain the vig". this is my opinion regarding zekrom:

1. i still don't know if his claim is true but i'm leaning scum just for behavior alone- people seemed early on all too ok with saying, in general, "he's new so he's probably a town VI or something"

2. if he's really the vig, sure, we can test his claim by agreeing on who he'll aim at tonight. but CAN- as in this is completely unreliable due to too many unknown variables- he aims at a bulletproof/doc'ed target, there's a roleblocker, etc.
2a. zekrom's town targeting scum? what if they have a way to prevent that kill from going through, and what if zekrom loses the 1-shot?
2b. zekrom's town targeting town? we potentially lose an unrevealed town pr (or force them to claim today before night), and if it's just a vt then we're effectively replacing them with zekrom. i would rather risk lynching zekrom than leaving him with a possible kill that would probably hit town-that's-more-valuable-than-him
2c. zekrom's scum? i still think with his erratic behavior (if scum has daytalk which i think is likely) it could be the result of coaching by partners, or just simple trolling and pretending to be newer than he is. also, if this is multiball or there's an extra scum kill, he can just claim the extra kill like what happened in we the purple, and i feel like people would be too eager to believe it.

3. no matter how this goes i do not want ut deciding the vig shot, and how vocal he's been about it annoys me. i don't remember his exact vig pool except suddenly it had me in it, so no.

in short what i've been saying about zekrom is that he's likely still scum, and even if he's town there's a lot more to be lost from the night with little potential gain. i'm not going to use the potential death/forced claim of town (literally ANY TOWN PLAYER is more valuable than him) to secure a chance of "confirming" the scum/completely unhelpful town VI as the 1-shot vig

UNVOTE:
VOTE: zekrom

and i just convinced myself to vote for him again.

[Marquis]

rephrase:

i still don't understand what you mean about "chaining the vig will clean the vig" because it won't

[Marquis]

if he's town why would scum even kill him,

ok let's say we don't lynch him and he can shoot tonight.

the most likely scenario is that he hits town. what do we do then? finally lynch him? he's certainly not going to die since he won't help/isn't helping town and scum won't kill him, or if he's scum he'll be allowed free reign under the previous assumption.

i don't even want to outline the other alternatives because they're either too unlikely or bring too many extra variables into the mix. i want zekrom lynched today because the possible night actions and results are too unpredictable. he's not helping the town, and his shot if real is more than likely going to harm it.

and if he's scum as his erratic and purposely confusing posting suggests, all the better. (read his iso - it's either completely trolling, or he blatantly copied and pasted some stuff that somebody else wrote for him. :/)

pedit that's wonderful now let's lynch zekrom before so me other town pr feels like they have to claim at the risk of a lynch or potential zekrom-kill

[Marquis]

also "arguing with scumreads"

how is it a bad thing

i thought i was finally getting something workable from you instead of just raging that i don't want to look at

[Marquis]

hi there!

let's lynch zekrom!

[Marquis]

if he's scum, lynching him today is good, especially if he's a scum vig.

if he's town, we either lose another town unnecessarily (see: ut's entire vig pool probably), or force a town pr to claim at vig-point. i don't believe there's any likelihood he's going to actually hit scum with the way he's being directed right now. even assuming he's town now is a stretch

[Marquis]

fish lynch is dumb. if you're going to assume zekrom is town and "let him use his shot", why not assume fish is town and let him use his doc? i don't see how you could read fish as scummier than zekrom at all even

[Marquis]

i'm talking about relative scumminess here. i still get significant townvibes over fish's frustration when zekrom's play is just completely scum

scum vig is possible, meaning scum with a second kill. in fact it might even be likelier than it seems when thinking back to how zekrom felt the need to overemphasize that he's a

town

one-shot vig, even putting the word town in there so awkwardly "one-shot town vig" mostly null but that makes me even more paranoid about the claim.

[Marquis]

I don't know if it's normal but is it really so unbelievable when there are scum dayvigs possible?

I'll talk more later, traveling atm

[Marquis]

how about instead of forcing more claims out of people at lynch or gunpoint like i want to avoid, we just lynch zekrom before he a) gains another night as scum or b) reduces the town-to-scum ratio even further

[Marquis]

This town is incredibly bad.

Please lynch me and then vig UT.

as much as i dislike broadly insulting statements like this, this is probably one of the only vig decisions i agree with. at the very least, his scumreads have all got to be town

you should vote zekrom though because if ut isn't scum maybe his reads will change- at least on the surface, he's engaging/posting i guess and providing content to work with now

[Marquis]

on the scum vig, from the wiki:

"While a few moderators prefer to defy meta and use Mafia Vigilantes to allow multiple scumkills from a single faction, the vast majority of Vigilantes are Town."

i was reading up on this earlier while thinking about zekrom: if a town vigilante and scum dayvig is possible in a normal game, why can't there be a scum vigilante? i don't see how exactly it'd ruin a game like peoples' reactions seem to expect, since it can be stopped like a normal nightkill with doc/rb/etc factors, and if it's one-shot, it's not insanely overpowered or anything

but this is all taking my original point too far: i still think zekrom is scum. order of what i think is most to least likely: zekrom is scum of some sort, zekrom is town 1-s vig, zekrom is scum 1-s vig, zekrom is town lying about power. his posting style is so erratic that i'm even willing to believe scum partners are coaching him and he's simply c+p'ing what they're typing for him

whether zekrom is town or not, there's not enough to gain by just letting him live and kill- if he's town it's impossible to control his kill effectively, since we can't just all agree on a kill for him to make lest it's actually a scum target and scum have a way of stopping it or it's a town target and scum just lets it happen. if he's town and we don't tell him who to kill, i don't trust his reads (or lack thereof) at all right now. if he's scum, he's already not under town control.

what do we gain by letting zekrom live if he's town? at most, we kill scum, which is incredibly unlikely with who people have said they want him to vig. at worst, we force a town pr to claim at risk of being killed or have him kill a town pr. i'm not willing to gamble the night results and lose more than we have to.

[Marquis]

part of me wants to selfvote just so we don't get a no lynch and to stop day 2 from being "let's finish what we started"

the rest of me feels like i should vote sthar because not every pr claim can really be true-and-town. especially since i see sthar's attack on me as so scummy and opportunistic. as in unnecessarily expanding on what other people said

also i kind of want to know which of the people who so quickly flipped on their townreads of me is scum

buttttttttttt nnnooottt eeennnnnnougghhhhhhhhh timeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Marquis]

still not a fan of any plan that lets zekrom get away free

[Marquis]

eh

because i don't want to have to waste my time and town's time fighting a mislynch on day 2

VOTE: marquis

i'm a vt

let's pretend for a sec though that i'm vengeful and my will to kill zekrom extends into tomorrow or something. or w/e

[Marquis]

scum vig would be funny too huh

[Marquis]

maybe i should change my vt claim to a town neighborizer claim!! then i might not get lynched :>

[Marquis]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: sthar

fuck it fine l-2 with 4 hours left

[Marquis]

Marq needs to die.... honestly.

should i sarcastically push a mislynch on myself

[Marquis]

I invite Zekrom to vig me because I'm dreading Day 2.

If you're a real vig and you actually want to shoot scum, though, go for Gooner/Evilpacman.

[Marquis]

here i am i am town

and whoever was like "no let zekrom live" i'm not even going to go the "forgive and forget" route, zekrom was so damn obvscum and now we had to have cabd claim because some people apparently wanted to give him

another

night to "confirm his claim"? no fucking way i regret that day 1 lynch but in hindsight it was so dumb how quickly the sthar wagon and my wagon built up compared to zekrom's or

[Marquis]

didn't even finish but whatever i'm sleeping now, zekrom should have died long ago

[Marquis]

also don't lynch me until like day 4

[Marquis]

he came in like a wrecking balllll

[Marquis]

1. Zekrom's claim makes me not want to lynch him today. I say we give him a night to prove whether he's a one-shot vig or not. Zekrom, use your vig shot tonight. Good targets for vig shots are lurkers.
2. Fish still worries me. I want to see if he keeps his word and starts being useful when UT answers his questions. For this reason I ask UT to answer his questions, we can see whether Fish will put his money where his mouth is and start being useful.
3. Elyse is also starting to worry me. She seems sort of active lurky, she's blending in a bit I think and I'm starting to consider her as a target.
4. Pacman is still on my lynch list.
5. UT's looking more town to me, I like the fact he pushed his lynch. It suggests town.
6. Deathnote looks ok to me on a re-read, he seems to actually be scumhunting and trying to find scum. His later posts are a bit spammy though.

Yep, I think my vote on Fish is now concrete. That looks like a slip to me. Not sure what it says about Elyse though.

Ok, you didn't. You said it could be tested. To me tested means that you can figure out one way or the other what his alignment is. I'm saying that any test would be inconclusive because there are too many unknown variables out there.

A test has the potential to confirm Zekrom as town. Anything else and we go off our reads of his in-thread play. This is what I'm advocating.

wait

i don't get why gooner didn't even push on zek after the claim

like

wouldn't you even at least try to help push the zek lynch if you knew his claim directly clashed with yours, which was still at that time an entirely possible lynch wagon? i can sort of understand wanting to just kill him at night, but wouldn't it be more profitable to at least

try

to lynch zekrom so you can use your vig shot on someone else you find scummy if the lynch goes through?

adding to that, gooner was trying to lynch the doctor claim instead of the one-shot vig claim??????????????????????????????????? cabd or someone explaaaaain???

i'm really hesitant to bring this up in case cabd is just fakeclaiming to better secure a lynch on zekrom in which case i might have ruined that but i don't even care if that's the case because the fact that people were going to let zekrom continue without ever confirming himself was silly, cabd shouldn't have had to claim today but he did???? and idek

nika why did you say gooner is conf scum or w/e idek but this whole scenario doesn't actually add up with cabd here now. like zekrom's reaction to being wagoned, attempting to replace out like that should practically confirm him as scum but now i'm just paranoid of him not being scum but just a town one-shot douchebag

also maybe possibly slight scumread on poro for being like "that idea sucked and you guys suck" only now when a zekrom lynch is almost guaranteed if not guaranteed already with the hammer

[Marquis]

never mind i take that back about poro he wanted the zekrom lynch 4 for you poro you go poro

[Marquis]

Oi oi back the fuck up.

Zekrom is CONFIRMED FUCKING SCUM right here boys and girls.

VOTE: zekrom

I'm the actual fucking oneshot vig. I tried to shoot him last night, fucker's probably mafia bulletproof.

Votes not for zekrom or me are scumclaims past this line:


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zekrom's behavior makes me like 90% sure he's scum especially with the replace out move

but the gooner/cabd action decisions also make me paranoid of cabd??????? like why try to lynch fish > zekrom day 1

[Marquis]

for the record two 1-s town vigs make no sense at all in this situation

[Marquis]

VOTE: cabd

gooner day 1 doesn't make sense with this claim

[Marquis]

i hate this.. maybe i'm just paranoid but as much as i would have liked to just hammer zekrom day 1 i can't bring myself to do it now or even vote for him because cabd's play fits in with scum gambiting to get the mislynch off quickly then excusing it tomorrow as a town gambit. again idek if it's just paranoia but someone else look at gooner pre- and post-zekrom claim and tell me how it makes sense

pedit iso gooner... why did he want to lynch fish over zekrom, when it would have made more sense to directly cc zekrom and get the protective role on him night 1?????

[Marquis]

omfg i didn't say dismantle the wagon i said take it with a grain of salt and don't just follow it because of a cc

[Marquis]

no one's dismantling shit, I just don't want some knucklehead to end the day yet

everyone is suddenly unvoting now and it's dismantling the wagon

UNVOTE:
VOTE: zekrom

making it clear that i still want this lynch, and even if you're not scumreading zekrom you should vote him to save the other players and the mod from having to deal with it any longer. i'm still paranoid of cabd because of gooner but i can probably chalk it up to just paranoia unless zekrom flips anything other than scum

[Marquis]

omfg

i don't want the lynch right now and i know we're giving time for cabd to post

but it's completely unnecessary when a bunch of people suddenly unvote him in a row though and i'd feel better just having him at l-2 or l-1 again so people don't get the idea that this lynch is suddenly not going to happen today

[Marquis]

he's already voting himself he can't selfhammer

[Marquis]

damn

[Marquis]

when he quotes the posts his scumpartners make for him in the quicktopic, he does

[Marquis]

remind me of metal sonic more why don't you

[Marquis]

bussing is always a possibility but i want to be able to throw my paranoia to the side for once.

[Marquis]

I totally agree.

[Marquis]

I totally agree.

[Marquis]

Good to know.

[Marquis]

Omfg just ban him already

[Marquis]

VOTE: evilpacman

[Marquis]

@mod: v/la weekend

Pedit I like nikanor's case on epm but also dislike his diction and responses????? I also don't think I like the nika wagon

[Marquis]

Classes have been brutal so no time to read anything; will post more tomorrow.

[Marquis]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: PeregrineV

this wagon looks a lot more appealing at the moment. hypocrisy never bodes well

[Marquis]

still feeling like I was the only one who thought the Zekrom lynch was a good idea

[Marquis]

I'm not fucking talking about yesterday everyone knew he was scum yesterday

day 1 I wanted Zekrom to die immediately like there wasn't even a chance he was town, every single post in his ISO added up to cautious scum combined with direct copy-and-paste QT coaching, and it's so much easier for fellow scum to go with "oh well in case he's vig let's let him live to shoot ok!!" (scum translation: "we want to give him a chance to put the RB to good use")

I'm still upset over not lynching him Day 1 and having to lynch the RB and get 2 real town PRs nightkilled over it

stop fucking pushing for a lynch on me, I'll annoy you however much I want, whatever, but I'm town so gtfo

[Marquis]

i want the towncred give it to me

[Marquis]

Marquis is reading more as frustrated town who is impressed with his Day 1 play and does not understand why others don't see it.

How do you distinguish between that and scum looking for town-cred? Serious question and not facetious.

hi i am looking for towncred and sheeping my townreads

[Marquis]

I had stronger opinions before the post loss. There's something missing now and I can't remember what I saw. So yeah. I'm a little annoyed.

actually i at least sympathize with this

[Marquis]

I think Zekrom is an easy bait at this point. He's pretty damn new.

Also Marq:

How can you tell the difference between stalling scum and inexperienced players?

I'm walking a thin line here, so I'd rather not explain.

Now that it's over, at the time I was referring to Zek's play in this game being exactly the same as in an ongoing game in which I knew he was scum (being the same team). His posts in that game were just him asking very short, broad, and meaningless questions to people hoping to look town, never following up on them at all, and then once in a while he'd randomly post something oddly coherent- only because it was exactly what his scumpartners were coaching and telling him to say in the QT. He was doing the exact same thing here (although I don't remember if the coaching "c+p" posts came sooner or later than this).

[Marquis]

Oh, and also scum stalling. A lot of stalling. :/

[Marquis]

I remember I was voting Mala before the post loss but there was some reason I had why I didn't again but I don't remember (probably had something to do with not trusting Mollie's reads or Mollie herself). Actually I don't even remember if I'm voting Mala now.

@pisskop I actually can't see the difference in those two games you referenced except for that I lurked excessively as scum (half as many posts in that scumgame of equal length) so if there's anything specific that you want me to dismiss...... just tell me? idk

[Marquis]

no

[Marquis]

no

[Marquis]

ns is scum

pedit i think mala just misread zek but oh my god i am so tempted to hammer

[Marquis]

nah i won't since she's actually here

[Marquis]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: notscience

for being pacman and not seeing me as obvtown when he knows better by now

[Marquis]

asdf zekrom had daytalk THE COACHING

want to hammer but the roleclaim is like. so into scummy it's towny? i think? but we just had a doctor rb and joat flip and like... so many prs

[Marquis]

"New/variant roles may be included in limited number (no more than 1 in a Mini, 2 in a Large), and should be based on the usual role mechanics: Killing, Protecting, Investigating, Blocking, Voting, Enabling and Communication."

pedit i might help ut lynch himself too. or something

[Marquis]

ok so like I don't even know where I stand right now on mala.

on one hand she defended zekrom quite a bit and lurked even more than that

but she could have been wrong-town (it seems like there are a lot of them this game) and the fact that she claimed what she did when she only would have needed to claim tracker... well

pedit enabling of course. mafia encryptor is a thing, so i don't see why town encryptor as one of the alloted variants wouldn't be allowed.

[Marquis]

i just really don't see mala claiming encryptor as scum

in we the purple she claimed survivor which was also a roleclaim-that-will-not-draw-any-sympathy and iirc she was what she claimed, and was playing the way she did here most of that time

[Marquis]

but then again i could see her claiming it because sthar's roleblocker claim didn't do him any favors either????

[Marquis]

and errrrrrrr

can we look back at who else wanted to lynch fish over zekrom because i kind of remember a few loud voices that aren't being called out for this now

[Marquis]

until ns admits i'm town he's scum

[Marquis]

also if he admits i'm town he's scum anyway

[Marquis]

in fact everyone is scum except for rc

[Marquis]

OOPSA i forgot i am town too, sorry!!

[Marquis]

VOTE: Nikanor

it adds up

[Marquis]

Additionally, if I told you right now that UT and I were Bulletproof Mason Lovers, would you believe it?

[Marquis]

@pisskop nobody believes my what?

[Marquis]

you're right i wanted zekrom lynched day 1

[Marquis]

rc is town but a liability for a late game mislynch i guess

pedit ummmmm lol ok

[Marquis]

A)
C)

I like.

I never paid attention to Serra. Why?

Comb through his ISO. His last post yesterday was god-awful.

i want to lynch ut too but your refusal to make a good case for me is making me cry

[Marquis]

how did that even get there

[Marquis]

um no

not now

get your vote on nikanor while the wagon is there

[Marquis]

that's what you said about not voting zekrom and wellllll

[Marquis]

@ Yates:

I'd rather not claim anything at the moment so stop trying me to get to confirm (or deny) anything

@ UT:

I'll lynch Zekrom day 2. If he's scum, he'll still be scum then.

unvote vote Marquis

fish or zekrom can happen tomorrow. I want this today.

Really I'd love to lynch both of them, but I want the serra wagon first.

unvote vote serrapaladin

basically I'm kind of done with delaying scum lynches for the next day

right now I actually don't care if serra is scum or not because nikanor would be a much more fun lynch to get through

[Marquis]

RL stuff happened and I was going to replace out of this game too but I guess with how far it's gone already it wouldn't be fair to do that to Desp/the new sub. Don't expect stellar activity from me though.

[Marquis]

DN should unvote me.

vote UT

[Marquis]

Yates, I'm not claiming anything for you.

[Marquis]

Yeah, we can redo Day 1 if you want. Put everyone at L-1 and make them claim

[Marquis]

marquis you are fucking pathetic

also stop being mean

[Marquis]

nogun i sware

[Marquis]

Are you kidding me stop trying to get the mason to cc a crumb that isn't even that

[Marquis]

jfc stop quoting me stop looking at one word I said in RVS I'm not fucking claiming Mason do you know how suicidal that is

[Marquis]

stop trying to force a claim and mislynch on me srsly

[Marquis]

j

f

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[Marquis]

so let's just say Yates is really really right yet really really wrong

I'm not claiming at L-1 because irrelevant then anyway

[Marquis]

for once i don't think ns and i are on the same team

(hint: he's scum)

VOTE: ns

but that lynch isn't happening today

[Marquis]

we all know notscience/epm's slot is scum and well if serra isn't lynched yet it's not like deadline is today

sorry i want to lynch scum

[Marquis]

VOTE: serra

kill me now

[Marquis]

mollieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

UNVOTE:
VOTE: notscience

i actually don't feel that confident in serra being scum \o/

[Marquis]

VOTE: serra

\o/

[Marquis]

ftr I want a notty lynch over you

but not enough support :[

ns scumlurks

yeah :[

[Marquis]

ut yells at me when i try to not vote you :[

[Marquis]

VOTE: notscience

[Marquis]

drop the hammer

[Marquis]

let's hammer elyse too

[Marquis]

VOTE KAGAMI VOTE NOTSCIENCE VOTE PACMAN VOTE THE SCUM SLOT

[Marquis]

this is also a fakehammer

VOTE: Kagami

[Marquis]

but my reads have mostly been right

also I just remembered how I was scumreading you too earlier!!

[Marquis]

gc we're not lynching ythan

[Marquis]

VOTE: deathnote

[Marquis]

oh sorry i thought you said yates

but yeah either way i'm not lynching a y name today

[Marquis]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nacho

oh yeah i forgot about that yesterday

@ythan or whoever i was voting deathy because i don't like how he wanted to lynch me i'm pretty clearly town by this point

[Marquis]

I had a fairly strong townread on RC, and probably based on that I don't want to lynch Bulba