UNI MUM Mafia (Day 3, Stay Gold Pony)

[RolePlay25]

Reporting for duty!

[RolePlay25]

Vote: TN5421

[RolePlay25]

Are there jesters in this?

[RolePlay25]

"I'm getting reports of drama in this sector. I'll check it out."

bzzt

"Just a few kids fighting sir, had nothing to do with our target."

"That's okay, stay on track then."

[RolePlay25]

"Sir, we are getting report of increased clown activity at your location"

[RolePlay25]

"I am in the middle of a clown fiesta. Requesting immediate extraction"

[RolePlay25]

People, I'm trying to like, make a spreadsheet and crap to actually take notes on a game for once, instead of merely relying on my excellent memory (because just because I remember stuff, it's hard to cross reference), and I'm on like page 2 of the thread and about to give up. Too much crap to keep track of. Advice on formatting notes in spreadsheet format officially requested please and thank you.

Spreadsheets are antithical to deployment. An operative has no time to maintain such during field operations.

Since you have removed your red squeaky nose and floppy shoes, I suggest you move to acquire a target. Our recommendation is TN5421.

[RolePlay25]

Being a field agent is serious business. If you can't take the heat, don't sit in the kitchen complaining.

I hand you a rubber squeaky nose, since you want it so badly

[RolePlay25]

I don't mean to be needy, but can one of you get an avatar? (play rock-paper-scissors or something)

Will you join with me and target evil?

[RolePlay25]

I don't mean to be needy, but can one of you get an avatar? (play rock-paper-scissors or something)

Will you join with me and target evil?

Who do you deem to be evil?

Agent, you have one weapon! Where is mine aimed?

[RolePlay25]

They shoot based not on the actions of another, but on the frivolous reasons that their actions resemble what occurred on a previous mission!

Agents should know that those who look for connections to a previous mission shall always find them, regardless of which organization they or their other number served. Such is at best a starting point, yet here appears the end point. It is an action, not of tense, but pretense.

[RolePlay25]

Set your coordinates to 214, rookie.

[RolePlay25]

As compared to keeping your gun holstered?

[RolePlay25]

If it were good theory in training, as you said agent, does it not apply in the field?

Your style is your own, for I shall not target a claim of mason at first dawn, but I mislike such reversals.

[RolePlay25]

UNVOTE:

Guys quick, where should my vote be?

TN5421

[RolePlay25]

scum don't claim miller.

~Titus

I've done it before. In a game you were in. See post 190.

Interesting, Agent, I had overlooked that extremely ridiculous statement.

[RolePlay25]

No offense but I'm really not a fan of the way you post, RolePlay25. Could do without the roleplay, just saying.

pedit: Honestly Jeanne with the way you act even if you were confirmed inno you'd still be harming town more than helping by staying alive (although it would actually be a close thing if you were an innocent child)

Acknowledged. Recommendation: TN5421 should self-vote. This shall achieve both objectives.

[RolePlay25]

Target acquired and locked. Requesting seven additional agents for takedown on TN5421. Agent Titus, report.

[RolePlay25]

Two agents in one, half the initiative. This saddens me.

[RolePlay25]

RolePlay, can you please stop posting like that? It's essentially shitposting and I don't like lynching shitposters but at some point I have to.

Are you seeking evil with me? No?

Request denied, agent.

[RolePlay25]

An excellent question. There are interesting facets to my loadout for this mission, but none of them involve limitations on my communication systems.

[RolePlay25]

Fortunately the main mission objectives will not be compromised by secondary objectives, even if they give healthy XP.

[RolePlay25]

That is an interesting report. Given that knowledge, and the knowledge that the moderator considers feeding agents false information as fair game, I believe it is of paramount importance to determine, as closely as possible, the exact wording of said miller powers. This leads me to an interesting bit of speculation that may or may not have any basis in fact.

May one of our two millers give a close approximation of exactly what their role PM says regarding their miller component?

Once the information has been received I shall update to explain.

[RolePlay25]

Double agent, you seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of how weapons function. They do not have a "stun" setting, they do not have a "pressure" setting.

Weapons kill. When I lock on to you, the purpose is death.

[RolePlay25]

Then explain why I am your top scum read.

Double agent, you are aware of your loyalties. You need not my convincing.

Ask in your private communications channel if you are so confused.

[RolePlay25]

May one of our two millers give a close approximation of exactly what their role PM says regarding their miller component?

Well it is pretty D ugh amn obvious. All you authority robots hate me for not following your stupid interdimensional protocols

I mean.I have done some ethnically questionable things but it was to progress science agent to progress science.

Bit those authority idiots cant see the difference between genius and the dumb organised crime that is out to get us here *Sips from flask*
Pro ugh tool following robots.

Interesting. I am curious as to whether the results of any investigation on you would be "evil" or "reversed from the expected result". There is a question of which takes priority with cop sanities that is an order-of-operations issue. Still, I suppose this is more a question for command than any field agent.

[RolePlay25]

Yeah, just lynch me. I'm terrible at the game and my role is useless. Hell, I might even self-hammer.

A request like this should not be denied.

Vote: DiamondSentinel

[RolePlay25]

Please stop AtE if you are town diamond. It muddies the water so much for me.

Trust your instincts, agent. Requests for self-termination should be approved with haste.

[RolePlay25]

Query, Agents: Why are you offering DS techniques to better avoid detection as a double agent? It does not seem to be an activity that will bear fruit. Do you wish to terminate him or not?

[RolePlay25]

I'm letting myself die because all anybody ever does is insult my reads and playstyle and never bothers to offer an alternative.

Interesting fact, agent, I care not what your particular flare is, nor do I care whether your 'reads' are particularly good or bad.

I am attempting to kill you because I believe your goal is to kill me.

Did something about my writing give you an impression that I wished to kill you for who you are rather than where your loyalties are? I believe it did not.

[RolePlay25]

Roleplay, why do you believe that?

Let us consider. He moves fluidly from complaining about my style because I am "shitposting" because of my posting style to stating that he is only lynched because of "his style" and then back without issue.

Does this strike you as honest, agent? It does not to me. My analysis detects not one bit of honesty in his posting or his self-depreciation. His self-analysis may be correct, but this does not reflect what orders he was given on this mission. How he acts does.

[RolePlay25]

Bring up on your pad the following logs:

I'm disappointed. You guys are actually town-reading me even though I admitted I was PMuch active-lurking.

Followed by these:

I'm letting myself die because all anybody ever does is insult my reads and playstyle and never bothers to offer an alternative.

I'm letting myself die because all anybody ever does is insult my reads and playstyle and never bothers to offer an alternative.

Are we to believe that this is an agent who is honestly frustrated that people dislike his style, after he previously complained that he was

not

called out for his style?

Or is this an agent trying and failing to blend in?

[RolePlay25]

As much as I appreciate the ideal of cooperation, and the spirit from which it was offered, I shall sadly have to decline. It is not that I reject the idea that direct speech can be considered preferable, nor is it that I consider my training so extensive that I may fully overcome disadvantage. Rather it is that as an agent spends time in the field, to remain sane, they develop personal quirks, individuality, habits. Such is looked at as a disadvantage by the upper echelons, yet is tolerated by direct field commanders. Field commanders comprehend what is invisible to the top brass - that all individual agents shall develop quirks. It is the nature of the job. Thus, agents on missions should not be treated as machines, for if you stifle individuality in one way, it shall emerge in other, darker ones.

[RolePlay25]

Still busy with holiday stuff...

But it's occurred to me that Diamond might be Vengeful, or Saulus, or Judas, or Jester, or something like that.

I should be more into the game tomorrow night.

Have a good one, everybody!!

Agents, this is a scum post.

But so is diamond.

Decisions, decisions...

[RolePlay25]

Then explain why I am your top scum read.

Double agent, you are aware of your loyalties. You need not my convincing.

Ask in your private communications channel if you are so confused.

My understanding is that you wish to suppress free exchange of information. Please correct me if I am wrong.

You are indeed wrong.

And scum.

[RolePlay25]

Actually no. When you are handed a bird, you take it.

Agents, a simple principle. On day 1, a person who is specifically hunting third parties is trying to solve the game. But they are trying to solve the mystery of "who are the third parties" because

they have already solved the mystery of who is scum.

Game, set, match. Execute.

Vote: Klingoncelt

[RolePlay25]

Both are town. Although, in the light of my knowledge of my role, I don't like the fact that TN is scum-reading me.

Because you're acting like 'my shitty early role claim protects me from all suspicion' and that simply isn't true.

Then explain why I am your top scum read.

Double agent, you are aware of your loyalties. You need not my convincing.

Ask in your private communications channel if you are so confused.

My understanding is that you wish to suppress free exchange of information. Please correct me if I am wrong.

The problem, double agent, is that your thoughts betray you. You do not hunt mafia-scum but third party-scum.

Goodbye.

[RolePlay25]

That was meant to quote Klingon's communication.

No matter. After a mistake like that, not posting except to self-hammer would be the only logical choice.

[RolePlay25]

Agent, you literally quoted the post. Why would his mind jump to explanations for Diamond's behavior that did not involve him being a member of the mafia? Because he knows that diamond is not a member of the mafia, but acknowledges his behavior is scummy. It is attempting to solve our puzzle - but with a piece of information the town does not have.

[RolePlay25]

Agent, you literally quoted the post. Why would his mind jump to explanations for Diamond's behavior that did not involve him being a member of the mafia? Because he knows that diamond is not a member of the mafia, but acknowledges his behavior is scummy. It is attempting to solve our puzzle - but with a piece of information the town does not have.

If I'm correct, those are all roles that benefit from being lynched. Mafia does not benefit from being lynched. Kling made the comment because of the way Diamond is responding to pressure.

Why would he assume that someone asking scummy was not simply scum?

Is this not enough for you agent? Let me observe who you suspect. How interesting, it is no one. You have no suspects as to who is trying to kill us at night, and yet you are busy trying to deflect the town's attention from Klingon, rather than locate a suspect.

It is noted agent. It is most certainly noted.

[RolePlay25]

Wanna join me in bringing the killer to justice?

TN? Certainly tempting offer. I have no issues voting him.

But this is literally free. What sort of agent considers actions that are clearly deceptive, manipulative, underhanded, and decidely not motivated by any sort of desire to find double agents and thinks "ah yes, he cannot be a member of the mafia. That would be too simple!"

It is the sort of conclusion one jumps to when one already knows that he is not mafia for a fact, and then tries to interpret his behavior based on this knowledge.

[RolePlay25]

@RP - I think that's a bit of a stretch. Looks like kling was just implying that because diamond was acting a certain way, he was someone who might have some benefit from being lynched. Plus, jester was the only third party role she listed.

If you were to be voting her because she's been useless so far, now that's something I could get behind.

What is the point of voting for someone who is entirely non-productive simply because they are non-productive, agent? Is the non-productivity indicative of alignment? In this case it is. In your case, you are not even attempting to kill the person your vote is on. Nor even commenting on what you think about them based on the last few pages. And yet I do not wish to kill you. Is that not generous of me?

VOTE: sharky

Super okay with this.

Vote: Sharky

[RolePlay25]

When I'm voting on someone, the person I'm voting is not always a super scum read. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. I usually like to put my foot out somewhere and work from there. (as I did with jeanne)

Then, agent, I shall give you the grade "mostly useless". Vote sharky and you can avoid super useless.

[RolePlay25]

When I'm voting on someone, the person I'm voting is not always a super scum read. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. I usually like to put my foot out somewhere and work from there. (as I did with jeanne)

Then, agent, I shall give you the grade "mostly useless". Vote sharky and you can avoid super useless.

Why are you voting sharky?

Is this very difficult agent? Do you wish a walk through? Perhaps this shall help:

2)

Day Procedures:

Each player may discuss the game and cast a single vote at a time against people they want to lynch. Day ends when either the deadline hits or a strict majority of the votes are on one person.
8)

Twilight:

After someone receives the majority vote, everyone may still discuss the game, but votes and unvotes will not be considered - the person voted for by the majority will be lynched regardless. Twilight will last until I waltz in and post a death scene.

[RolePlay25]

Yes, I understand how voting procedures work. I'm asking explicitly why you want to lynch sharky?

Have you read through Sharky's posts, agent?

[RolePlay25]

Yes, I understand how voting procedures work. I'm asking explicitly why you want to lynch sharky?

Have you read through Sharky's posts, agent?

Yes, I have.

Then allow me to ask: why

don't

you want to lynch Sharky?

[RolePlay25]

Yes, I understand how voting procedures work. I'm asking explicitly why you want to lynch sharky?

Have you read through Sharky's posts, agent?

Yes, I have.

Then allow me to ask: why

don't

you want to lynch Sharky?

I never said that I don't want to lynch sharky.

Then, as admirable as I find the idea of lynching Diamond, why not join us?

[RolePlay25]

Yes, I understand how voting procedures work. I'm asking explicitly why you want to lynch sharky?

Have you read through Sharky's posts, agent?

Yes, I have.

Then allow me to ask: why

don't

you want to lynch Sharky?

I never said that I don't want to lynch sharky.

I'm asking explicitly why you want to lynch sharky?

If you've read his posts and don't know, then agent, you need to go back to basic training.

[RolePlay25]

Agent, you literally quoted the post. Why would his mind jump to explanations for Diamond's behavior that did not involve him being a member of the mafia? Because he knows that diamond is not a member of the mafia, but acknowledges his behavior is scummy. It is attempting to solve our puzzle - but with a piece of information the town does not have.

If I'm correct, those are all roles that benefit from being lynched. Mafia does not benefit from being lynched. Kling made the comment because of the way Diamond is responding to pressure.

You are needling town instead of voting scum, agent.

Upgraded to totally useless

[RolePlay25]

Au contraire, agent, KC's post was a scumclaim.

I merely hope after the game you are willing to accept that your logic was flawed.

[RolePlay25]

I wish I could double vote, my feels say that I want Sharky dead like yesterday, like I read his words and I'm like "God you're scum"

This is a good feeling agent.

I am confused as to how 3dice claims to have read his words, and yet is not voting him.

[RolePlay25]

You are like an agent without a brain.

[RolePlay25]

Roleplay, why is it you're the only one who finds KCs words to be scummy? Do you have some other reason for that read?

Unfortunately the general level of experience and skill appears to have drastically declined. I can only conclude the average recruit would barely be considered fit for service.

In short, they are fools and wrong.

[RolePlay25]

@jeanne, NEVER CRUMB TO SOMEONE YOU ARE NOT HARD TOWN READING. EVER!

Second, being transparent is saying what you know when you know it.

Third, if I ever taught you wifom to the point of stopping others from communicating is good. That's my bad. For any role in existance, you've done enough. Hunt scum only for the rest of the time.

~Titus

REVIEW YOUR OWN POST

WHAT ISN'T SHARKY DOING

PAY ATTENTION TITUS. PAY SOME FUCKING ATTENTION FOR ONCE.

[RolePlay25]

If that's a lynch, replace out

Not dealing with this stupidity.

[RolePlay25]

Also Jeanne, did you quote your role from your PM and if not, can you?

19)

Mod and PM quoting:

Quoting your PM, reveal, or any other communication with me is forbidden.
20)

Modkills:

Breaking any of the above three rules (or flagrantly violating Rule 16) will result in you getting modkilled. Modkills can be retroactive. If a living player breaks any of these rules, the day may or may not end, depending on what would disadvantage that player's faction the most. A dead player breaking any of these rules will result in someone from the same faction getting modkilled. In addition, getting modkilled results in an instant loss for that player, along with my general hatred. In short, follow the rules. Note that I'm not planning to keep a blacklist of people to refuse in my games, but I have goooood memory

BLATANT fishing for modkill.

Vote: itlepip

[RolePlay25]

I mean otherwise he's the stupidest shit on gods green earth.

That's possible, mind you. I have been reading his posts and... yes, very possible.

But that's half the player list. I can't lynch fuckwits, it really will cost us too much time.

[RolePlay25]

Jeanne, can you stop insulting me for no reason, it isn't helping me look at you objectively.

Cerberus, did Jeanne make any claim in the neighborhood?

Also Jeanne, did you quote your role from your PM and if not, can you?

I dunno, why are you literally trash?

[RolePlay25]

I have been playing mafia for more years than you've been potty trained.

Okay, more than zero isn't much, I'm being fair.

But honestly, I have never seen a less impressive and less intelligent entrance to the game. It seems deliberately designed to needle a player who has already come close to blowing up. And then you try to bait her into getting modkilled. If she's town, and I'm fairly certain she is, then you're either scum or one of the worst players I have ever had the displeasure to play mafia with.

[RolePlay25]

Honestly,\ you twit, LOOK AT SHARKY.

I keep telling people this, and they keep not looking at sharky. You whine about naked votes because YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO SCUMHUNT. If you see a vote, ask "why is the vote being made?" That's called THINKING. I know it's a lost art. Look at Sharky. Literally everything he does is defensive. You talk about Cerebus not having a vote. WHAT ABOUT SHARKY, SCUMBAIT? WHY AIN'T YOU TALKING ABOUT HIM NOT HAVING A VOTE

YOU EXPLAIN THIS, ITLE AND I MIGHT TAKE MY VOTE OF YOU

Oh and everyone complaining about not voting the right way being scummy is like trusting a guy in a suit because "oh, someone in a suit would never lie to me." APPEARANCES AREN'T IMPORTANT. IF THAT'S WHAT YOU USE TO READ PEOPLE, YOU HAVE LESS THAN ZERO SKILL AT MAFIA. SCUM WILL ALWAYS LOOK MORE RESPECTABLE THAN TOWN, IT'S LITERALLY THEIR ONLY JOB.

[RolePlay25]

Scum win conditions: Don't be lynched.

Town win conditions: Find scum.

WHICH IS SHARKY DOING?

HERE'S A LINK TO HIS ISO: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

COUNT THE NUMBER OF POSTS THAT ARE SCUMHUNTING

COUNT THE NUMBER OF POSTS THAT AREN'T DEFENSIVE OR FLUFF

YEAH THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT

VOTE THE RIGHT WAY MOTHERFUCKERS

[RolePlay25]

CERBERUS STOP BEING SHIT

STOP BEING SHIT

I NEED ONE PLAYER IN THIS GAME WHO ISN'T SHIT

WORK WITH ME HERE

[RolePlay25]

So, eh, reads and shit. Fuck. You're all useless. LH, I'm super suspicous of you because you guys haven't said or done anything, and that's uncharacteristic for both of you. Jeanne is null as fuck because of her standard omg you're all going to kill me noise. RP needs to give reasons for his reads, I'd be quite okay with him being lynched, simply because in spite of his apparent attempt at game solving, he isn't doing so in a way that actually unifies the town, that is,

by actually giving reasons for us to agree with

Oh my god this is actually LITERALLY cancer.

PLAY MAFIA

Seriously, that's all I ask. If you look through Sharky's ISO, you should see everything I see. Why do you need me to spoon feed you thought? Are you incapable of thinking on your own? Is that insulting? Don't be insulted,

it's what you just asked me to do.

I don't want to think for you. I want to see who is capable of thinking for themselves.

3Dice is incapable of thinking for themselves. They're a thousand times worse than Jeanne will EVER be, mostly because they think they're decent, so there is NO chance of them ever becoming good.
Sharky is scum, so who knows if they're capable of thinking for themselves. They're not going to self-vote, so whatever.
KlingonCelt is thinking. He slipped up and revealed his thinking was entirely from the scum perspective, but he's thinking.
Diamond appears to have shut down and is rocking back and forth in a coma. I'd like to hope he might someday be capable of thinking, but he needs to die.

Titus is a titus.
Mastin is MIA
zMuffin is MIA too, could work with him but NO COME BACK I WANT YOU BACK

I NEED YOU CERBERUS

PLEASE BE CAPABLE OF THINKING

[RolePlay25]

Also, RP, what happened man? You have become angry. You are no longer roleplaying. I don't like this you as much.

I FUCKING TOLD YOU. I FUCKING TOLD ME WHEN YOU ASKED ME TO STOP YOU WOULDN'T LIKE ME AS MUCH

I ASKED YOU TO LOOK THROUGH SHARKY'S ISO. YOU DIDN'T. WELL MAYBE IF YOU DID YOU'D HAVE THE OLD ME.

His ISO is 100% motivated by pure survivalism. He has zero care to find scum. Literal zero. Literally less than zero.

He doesn't have the first clue how to fake scumhunting, so he's not even ATTEMPTING to fake it, and you're LETTING HIM GET AWAY WITH IT. STOP THAT

This Itle guy or Billy or whatever is EVEN WORSE. He is accusing you of being scum for not having a vote down, and ignoring Sharky who not only doesn't have a vote, but is actively AVOIDING looking for scum, and then he FISHES FOR A MODKILL

One of the two needs to die. Pick one, or become part of the damn problem.

[RolePlay25]

Okay, so I doubt that claim due to the weird definition that 'weak' seems to take as opposed to triggered.

I will move to RP lynch if it offered.

RP because that is how Sharky plays as town as well.

OH WHAT A SURPRISE YOU'RE DEFENDING SHARKY

DIDN'T SEE THAT ONE COMING

[RolePlay25]

RolePlay Please into chilling kthnx

Make me happy. Vote scum

[RolePlay25]

Honestly, I'm going to go vent.

But when I see multiple people voting someone who they don't even believe is scum, complaining that they are "making too much noise" then I am literally saddened. This site used to have some damn good mafia players. Yeah, some were shit, that's true. But shit wasn't the norm. Shit seems to have become the norm, hell, shit apparently isn't even worth commenting on.

Day 1 policy lynch because you don't like a posting style? From someone who has done a thousand times the scumhunting of, say, 3Dice or Sharky?

What the hell. What the actual fuck

[RolePlay25]

A nonvoter honestly needs to be known asap. Having me alive by lylo makes the game an instaloss for us.

Thanks for letting us know. I appreciate that at least some of the players are seriously considering the pros and cons of claiming before claiming.

@MOD: Can you do something about the rampant personal attacking going on in the thread?

Yes, lets do that:

Unfortunately, Jeanne11 is stupid enough to claim in such a ridiculous manner with no other pressure on (him/her/it/them?)

Jeanne we get it you're investigative please please PLEASE stop telegraphing it everywhere fuck

I honestly think she's more likely to be scum because of shoddy play so far.

im tired of playing games with a bunch of retards that never state their reasons for doing anything ever

Can we please discipline TN, mod?

[RolePlay25]

A nonvoter honestly needs to be known asap. Having me alive by lylo makes the game an instaloss for us.

Thanks for letting us know. I appreciate that at least some of the players are seriously considering the pros and cons of claiming before claiming.

@MOD: Can you do something about the rampant personal attacking going on in the thread?

I mean I don't want to say it means something when one of the most caustic and insulting people in the thread ignores what I'm saying and tries to get a moderator to deflect attention.

But it means something.

[RolePlay25]

Naw, sharky sucks too. Sure. No hint of scum hunting there, absolutely.

Anyways, here's the thing: I don't care if you guys can manage to read me or not, i don't care if I'm making you post obvious shit to me, what's important to me is that you're infodumping thoughts into the thread with the reasons why you have those thoughts. so I can judge the merit of your processes. I understand if you want the same from me, that's perfectly reasonable, but that's why I'm more concerned with asking you why you believe what you believe, rather than stating my reasons and having you use those.

Pedit: Seriously. D1 policy lynch for posting style is pretty stupid, especially when there are WAY more suspicious people in here.

Pedit x2: Agreed on action required to sotp the personal attacks. You guys need to have fun and love your fellow man.

I don't give a damn about how you post. I care about your motives a bit.

I want you to vote scum with me. Please work with me.

[RolePlay25]

We have lots of time. I'm not voting anything anytime soon. Look elsewhere if you wish to find votes to support the counterwagon you want to see.

pedit: That's okay Errant. I'm not here to win people over, I'm here to find scum. ^^

Okay then, you do your thing. Just remember, if you don't vote, agent, the faction you ain't a part of gets an extra vote towards the final selection. And if you're town, you're not winning the night game. So if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. You don't get bonus points at the end for being right and no one giving a shit.

@RP, What did you want me to review?

Sharky's ISO. Zero scumhunting, posts only when people want to lynch him, awkward as fuck. It's newbie scum. He didn't even switch to the meta defense until his pal itle clued him in you can use that scum claim "defense"

Vote: Sharky

This is free. So Is klingon, but I see I'm going to need to sell y'all on the obvious.

Agent Mastina, please report back and be town.

[RolePlay25]

Agent, I shall save your time. Sharky is better than where your gun is aimed.

[RolePlay25]

A quick overview of people who need to die:

TN5421 ("im tired of playing games with a bunch of retards")

Also unfortunately, naked votes don't serve to pressure me at all, they merely show me who doesn't belong in this game.
@anyone that is voting me without a reason: why are you voting me?

Complains about voting without reason.

Sharky is of a lower priority than Jeanne and yourself. I was hoping he would condemn himself further before it was pointed out how defensive/scummy he was being, but noooo, mister oblivious roleplay has to stumble in and scream to the world his surface reads.

Why don't you get with the program or replace out, since your play so far has been seriously subpar?

Complains when I give reason for voting.

Posts that he wants Sharky to "implicate himself further" and is

still not voting sharky.

This guy is 100% scum with Sharky. When Sharky is dead scum, kill this guy immediately.

Bonus round:

@MOD: Can you do something about the rampant personal attacking going on in the thread?

im tired of playing games with a bunch of retards

I'm attacking the play.

Hypocrisy is... well, scummy, but also more indicative of a weakness of personal character. This? This is more like flailing.

Do kill this guy, don't wait too long on it. It's going to stick in his craw to night kill me, so I'll probably get another day to ram his death down your throat.

Posts since claiming sharky was scum without voting sharky:

2

[RolePlay25]

KlingonCelt

Once again, I ask you to review the ISO: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

This is not the ISO of a town player. Outside of rolefishing, and assuming that someone wasn't scum, he um... discussed mafia theory. And rolefished harder. And discussed mafia theory.

There isn't too much to discuss because he's actually doing literally nothing. And none of it's town.

[RolePlay25]

Sharky

Let's quote TN5421, his scumbuddy:

Sharky is of a lower priority than Jeanne and yourself. I was hoping he would condemn himself further before it was pointed out how defensive/scummy he was being, but noooo, mister oblivious roleplay has to stumble in and scream to the world his surface reads.

His own team is distancing and getting ready to bus. If you're town and not voting for this man... why?

[RolePlay25]

Oh yes, bonus points.

TN on how Jeanne is a competent player and she shouldn't be underestimated.

Bullshit, scum!jeanne LITERALLY DID THIS IN A GAME I WAS SCUM WITH HER IN

BLITZ 11 BY ROB13

READ IT AND STOP HARD DEFENDING HER

SHE LITERALLY THREW THE GAME FOR US IN THAT GAME BY DOING SO AS WELL, SO I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT I ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THE FUCK IM TALKING ABOUT HERE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH

TN literally one post later:

I am just saying what my role does, and you are ignoring the part where I will be NKed, so it DOESN'T MATTER WHAT MY ROLE IS ANYMORE.

Assuming you are town, you will never be NK'd because scum already know that

you're literally the most incompetent player on the site

and they'd love to take you into lylo so you could throw game in favor of scum, ASSUMING that scum isn't your team.

Solving the game folks. Don't underestimate Jeanne, she's "literally the most incompetent player on the site". That's what solving the game and putting the pieces together looks like. No way this is scum throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing if it sticks. No way he was trying to get a lynch because he smells blood in the water.

[RolePlay25]

(Bonus points, this is the guy complaining about incivility. Does that sound forced? Does to me)

[RolePlay25]

Bonus points round 2:

I'm scum!

Sharky is of a lower priority than Jeanne and yourself. I was hoping he would condemn himself further before it was pointed out how defensive/scummy he was being, but noooo, mister oblivious roleplay has to stumble in and scream to the world his surface reads.

Who err... has surface reads that are bad. Am I incompetent town who screams surface reads? Am I obvious scum? He changes his mind by the end of the sentence.

He's more caught up in wordplay than he is in solving the game. He wants to argue his way out of his death and the death of his QT pals. Note how he insists he won't play the game until Jeanne is dead, but as soon as I pressure Sharky, he suddenly starts... playing the game. Odd, neh?

[RolePlay25]

Posts since TN has claimed Sharky as a scum read without a vote:

5

I win if I lynch all the scum, not all the "distractions to the town". Anyone else?

[RolePlay25]

And my biggest pet peeve is when people try to lynch townie even if said townie has high utility to town. And no, I am not saying this just to save myself, but I sincerely believe it. For instance, if you were trying to lynch one of my townreads, I would be saying the same thing. In this case, it just so happens that I have utility.

But nobody else knows that. In fact, for all we know you're bullshitting us.

Look, the thing to do here is simply push whoever you think is scummy. OMGUS isn't the best reason, by the way.

Don't make yourself the center of attention, direct attention to your scumpicks.

So who is scummy, Mr mafia theory? Check your private topic for clues, please.

[RolePlay25]

This is going to sound bad.

Who shall I vote?

why preface this with a disclaimer? that in itself seems more scummy than your actual question.

I would like to inform you, agent, that I have developed a theory. I bet it shall shock you.

Klingon wants to turn a discussion of her alignment into a discussion of me. It is sad for her that I am awesome, and she is scum.

[RolePlay25]

Not liking EAP saying neighbor = town.

If singlball, Klingon is almost certainly town. There's a big difference between here and Suikoden and her other scumgames. Not liking the OMGUS but Kling has always been focused on herself.

To that end, while I don't see any glaring flaws with Roleplay's analysis, the fact he's equally confident both are scum is jarring me. If Klingon is town and they are both equally scummy...that would make Sharky town.

I will flag Drixx and let him use our vote as he wishes till I feel better.

@Roleplay, thoughts?

Hunting third party scum is a scumtell not because of multiball (although hunting one team of scum in multiball is a sure scumtell). It is a scumtell because of the nature of scum - they must attempt to sincerely appear to be trying to solve the game. Sincerity can be hard to fake - the easiest way to fake it is to not to fake it. KlingonCelt is a theory junkie - we can certainly tell that from her posts. Toss a theory junkie into a Dramonic game, and I am certain they are at least speculating on the nature of the setup. It is

weird

- we know that just from what has been claimed. Are there third parties? Possibly. It's certainly more interesting to speculate about than whether or not townies are scum when you know for a fact they're not.

It's a scumslip, because she used genuine sincerity. The problem was that sincerity was from a mafia perspective.

P.S. I don't see why Klingon, Sharky, and TN can't all be scum. I mean yes, I'm not 100% correct 100% of the time, but even if this was a bog standard normal game I'd expect a 13:4 ratio, and this is anything but standard.

[RolePlay25]

I'd like to advise the 2 of my townreads/leans on the Jeanne11 wagon to move elsewhere..

Namely the tn5421 wagon

...

Not Voting: Cerberus v666,

sharky5x,

zmuffinman

Is there ulterior motive to this

Beyond simply annoying me and trying to get me to really want to lynch you on a personal level and not just because I scum read the fuck out of your active lurking

Because I've been annoyed by some of the most annoying, and you just don't have it in you to be anywhere near that annoying

Not that that's an invitation to try mind you

[RolePlay25]

As awesome as it is to copy and rearrange the player list, it isn't actually a substitute for content.

As gratifying as it is to have my back scratched over the TN read, there's stuff on that list that's down right disconcerting. I do track what players are interested in.

Jeanne v 3dice isn't TvT, so as soon as I figure out what Jeanne is doing I'll be able to decide which one I'd rather go after. That will probably shed light on scumbuddies as well.

Should probably read Blitz 10 ;p

This is one of the few actual insights offered for the thread. I think it is not hard to understand why the following is therefore a tad disconcerting:

Be sure to look into this wagon tomorrow.

Also I wouldn't use my not voting against me. My role could've been useful later on, but it is kind of annoying. Especially when it comes to voting.

Town//
Jeanne

Town lean//
3dicerolling

It's possible for people's reads to change in a few hundred posts and several days, of course. But...

P.S. Is there some new fad where you vote people without wanting to kill them
It's really annoying
I can't tell if it's scummy or what, but it really makes my skin crawl. "Hi, I'm voting you, therefore I think you're scum, but here, let me take pressure off you"

The only correct response to "do you want me to claim" if you're voting someone is "no I want you to die." But "YES NOW GODDAMN IT YES YES YES YES"

Sharky, claim this very instant. Full and complete. Dripping Goofball rules.

[RolePlay25]

Soft claim is bullshit and scum. "Oh I could do something for you good later in the game. Can't tell you what it is, of course." HAH YEAH RIGHT. What, do you want to rolecop me to see if I'm this awesome due to powers? Cool! Great utility!

Full claim. Or alternatively don't claim and die.

[RolePlay25]

Need more time to think of a good fakeclaim? It is hard, ain't it. Did you get daytalk? It seems to be prevalent in these parts. Waiting for your pals to help you with the fakeclaim, check it over, Sharky?

OPEN YOUR ROLE PM

TELL ME WHAT IT SAYS

OR CLAIM SCUM

BECAUSE STALLING IS CLAIMING SCUM

[RolePlay25]

Come on sharky, I know you're online. What does it say? If you're town, it's as easy as opening it and telling me what you can do. You didn't lie to the town about your future utility on later days, did you? You didn't fabricate some weird voting restriction to explain your behavior, did you?

If you're town, telling me your honest role takes seconds.
Fabricating a good one? Oh, a lot of time, and a lot more experience than you have.

Who left you hanging out to dry, Sharky? Waiting for them to show up in the private topic to read it over? I can tell you're new, did you miss some detail that will clearly give away your alignment, something we all know?

[RolePlay25]

What are you doing..? Are you trying to intimidate me?

Claim stalling?

Come on Sharky, if you're town, it's so easy. Click over to the PM, click it open, tell us what you can do. You haven't lied about your role, have you? So easy.

What do you need to buy time for, Sharky?

[RolePlay25]

Hey roleplay, don't say what it is, but is there a claim Sharky couod make which you would consider plausible, and which would change your read on him to at least a town lean?

There's obviously at least one claim that always stops all pressure.

Beyond that there are claims even I do not kill on day 1.

Buuuut, he's stalling to fabricate something that fits all the soft claims he's made.

[RolePlay25]

"What works with Jeanne's role, EAP's role, the two miller claims, and my softies?"

I bet he's edged himself out of whatever fakeclaim Dramonic gave him, if Dramonic even gave him a fakeclaim. He's certainly edged himself out of any sort of town use of the roles. So he's flying on his own.

Ooh, just checked, Dramonic didn't even give fakeclaims in the last two games he modded. Sharky is flying blind and he doesn't even know what parts of the role he has are scummy and which he could claim.

[RolePlay25]

Come on sharky, claiming as town takes a minute.

Fakeclaiming in a Dramonic game? Oh, that takes time. Lots of time, and experience you don't have.

He likes giving out daytalk though. Think your more competent members are going to save you?

[RolePlay25]

Show us your best effort, Sharky

Who promised you some decent well-thought out fakeclaims? Was it mastin and hiplop? I see they both returned from vacation yesterday without posting in this thread. Trust me, she ain't gonna swing back and save your ass. She hates bussing, but in this mess she knows the prevailing wind, you're on the receiving end of a Greyhound, destination pain town.

You want to personally insult me rather than doing an activity that takes town all of 30 seconds?

[RolePlay25]

Quick. "Roleplay is being too much of a 'dick', I'm going to step away from the keyboard for a few hours until

someone comes back to help me write this fakeclaim

I cooldown from being so extremely angry".

There we go, wrote the post for you, Sharky. Of course post that and you die today.

Claim. It's so, so, so fast for town.

[RolePlay25]

Honestly part of this is just not doing what roleplay wants, however stupid that may be.

Cool.

You claim scum.

Die

[RolePlay25]

Pedit: Explain to me why I should claim now rather than wait for L-1 like I should've been thinking earlier. I don't have to prove myself to you.

You don't dance around with claiming, seeing if you can get people to back off without committing. Oh, no no no. That's a straight scum move. Period. Leave the claim open so you can modify it based on town powers, claim enough that you get the wagon to go away.

SCUM TELL

SCUM CLAIM

CLAIM LIKE TOWN OR DIE LIKE SCUM

YOUR MOVE

[RolePlay25]

Also, mastin wouldn't give him a fake claim. She would explain the fake additions to make to his real role that give it town utility. :p

Pedit: understood, stubbornness, got it. If you're not gonna claim out of spite,go find some scum or something then. Thanks!

NO

He doesn't want to claim, fine. He locked himself in, Cerberus. He's the one who chose the "tee hee, I have magical powers!" bullshit. "The magical powers could be

useful

if only you go away and don't bother me. Also they explain all of my actions!"

WELL FUCK THAT

This ain't Jeanne. He didn't flip out. That was a 100% calculated move. If he's town and good with telling us this much, he's good with telling us the whole thing.

BUT HE'S NOT

[RolePlay25]

Who is being lynched here? Why would anyone else claim, exactly?

You already claimed. You claimed like shit. I've looked through your history, you know damn well how to claim. "Hello, I'm the town jailkeeper". It looked just like that. It was a damn town claim.

Claiming like town as scum? Not sure you've got that skill, Sharky.

Do claim properly this time, Sharky, or this becomes a death tunnel. You are not equipped to survive a death tunnel, Sharky.

[RolePlay25]

An hour since this soft claim:

Also I wouldn't use my not voting against me. My role could've been useful later on, but it is kind of annoying. Especially when it comes to voting.

Tick

Tick

Tick

Who here would have trouble full claiming in under a minute if they had a role that restricted their voting?
Who here

wouldn't

claim at the beginning of the game if they had a role that restricted their voting?

Also I wouldn't use my not voting against me. My role could've been useful later on, but it is kind of annoying. Especially when it comes to voting.

Tick

Tick

Tick

[RolePlay25]

Think about my perspective if I am, in fact, a townie, RP. If I claim, its some BS I came up with in the time I haven't claimed. If I don't, then I'm still stalling.

I'm gonna go with wait and claim at L-1, thank you.

Actually that was a legitimate offer, Sharky. If you're willing to pseudo claim, you should be willing to full claim.

Confirmation of power ain't confirmation of alignment, but you should see the writing on the wall. What happened to Jeanne when she did this? And people weren't even heavily scum reading Jeanne. She got stuck to L-1 and told to claim. Because this hinting at role is scummy as shit. And people thought she was town.

No one, literally no one has come out and said they think you're town.

Why would you claim? If you're town, why

wouldn't

you? You're going to do so anyway.

Of course there is another scum motive to stall here.

[RolePlay25]

Yaknow

At first I was like "demanding a claim from someone not at l-1 with intent to hammer is really scummy"

And then I was like "lul idc". The actions are bad, but the way RP is going about this feels me with good feels and sharkys reaction is really bad

Okay, allow us to access the history archives.

At the dawn of time, it was excellent to mass claim day 1 because setups were bad, often had a cop and a doctor, and were quite breakable. So mass claim day 1 was the norm.
After some time, moderators started designing setups where scum had fakeclaims, town had poor/scummy roles, doctors were not guaranteed and roleblockers existed. So mass claiming became a bad idea
Then people developed the idea that claiming was anti-town, because it let the scum pick and choose who to shoot. So this entire song and dance was invented where you take the person to L-1, give intent to hammer, etc. etc. etc. Why? So people don't claim all over the place, giving the scum a buffet.

But soft claims throw this out the window.

Scum often have a rolecop. Scum can just kill soft claims. Scum can roleblock soft claims. Soft claims are the buffet, the lighting is just dim so there's ambiguity about the meals.

If you soft claim you might as well hard claim. The scum response to either will be very similar.

Oh, but want me to tell you something interesting? It is so very easy to soft claim. "Elibern, I have a role that's quite useful, it will give us lots of information if you leave me alive a few days". Well it's true! Scum rolecop gives lots of useful info. And in a few days, with a few flips, and a few rolecops and a few more claims scum will have much better idea of what power roles are out there.

Day one of course, you're flying blind as hell. You don't even know how people will flip. Dramonic is lazy with fake claims, he doesn't give them. They have very little idea of what claim will fly and what will make us go "oh shit, that claim is nothing like a town claim" (if not today, then day 3 or 4 after we've seen the roles flip and they've failed to die).

Pedit: What. The. Fuck.

[RolePlay25]

Why Roleplay Does Not Believe This Claim

Hi guys, I have a restriction. Can someone tell me to vote for everyone?

Solved:

Sharky vote for Jeanne11
Sharky vote for Edgar Allan Pro
Sharky vote for Klingoncelt
Sharky vote for Learned Hand
Sharky vote for Cerberus v666
Sharky vote for 3dicerolling
Sharky vote for Elbirn
Sharky vote for Mass Flop
Sharky vote for DiamondSentinel
Sharky vote for sharky5x
Sharky vote for Davsto
Sharky vote for Shiro
Sharky vote for BBmolla
Sharky vote for roleplay25
Sharky vote for ErrantParabola
Sharky vote for zmuffinman
Sharky vote for tn5421

Oh look at that, restriction removed.

You seriously telling me that Sharky, as town, didn't even think of that? This is a bullshit excuse to remove a bullshit made up post restriction.

[RolePlay25]

Come on Sharky, Flavor claim. There ain't NOTHING you can whine about there. What role did you pick, what's the flavor on that ability. GO

[RolePlay25]

Great claim.

Zero flavor.

Zero idea what the dreams do.

We literally send the mod the flavor and he makes the role for us. Who is the lucid dreamer who has to follow orders?

[RolePlay25]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... d_Dreamers

Oh no, everything so far has been non-standard.

Let's see what this nonstandardness is.

(there's other things to note here but that's okay).

Sharky:

But roles need to be alive to do stuff. But if I am lynched anyway, might as well fullclaim.

Town Weak Tracker Neighbourizer.

Don't you feel silly now?

No, neighborizing is passive ability. Any action used on me that is not killing, roleblocks me and killing kills me, so I claimed PGO to deter all of you from visiting me, not just scum. Alas, it failed thanks to itlepip.

That much is good.

So you can certainly give us your exact role name. Jeanne did the same, and she wasn't mod killed (or she lied about doing the same, but that would be treated identically)

[RolePlay25]

Exact role name
Exact flavor name

Paraphrase of abilities
Exact name of abilities

Go.

[RolePlay25]

If you want to complain about the possibility of modkill, let me show you how it is done. This is NOT my role, but if Dramonic modkills you, he will need to modkill me, because you can't have mod-confirmed lies in thread. This has always been fine for all the history of MafiaScum except a few games where it was CLEARLY advertised it was not.

I am M.C. Hammer, Town Ascetic Hammerer. My abilities are "Can't Touch This" which makes it so that people can't target me with any abilities except killing ones, and "Hammer Time" where if someone I am voting is put to L-1 I hammer them.

[RolePlay25]

And the reason for the not quoting is that people have confirmed townies off mod communication choices such as:

- Time Stamps (mafia PMs were sent out, then town; VTs were all BCCed so had identical timestamp)
- Hexedecimal Color code (the player didn't know the exact hex code the moderator picked for the town in the role PM)
- Wording choices (Moderator had preferred terminology)
- Flavor choice (Moderator gave little blurbs about the powers, player couldn't fake it the right way)

It seriously is not meant to make it impossible to claim your role, that is futile and doesn't work.

[RolePlay25]

I cannot say what my active or passive ability is. I am a Lucid Dreamer, yes. Lucid Dreamers are supposed to be able to do 1 action taken on another player in a day/night phase.

You'll have to explain better, this does not make any sense.

What is your flavor name?

[RolePlay25]

Holy shit you guys were worried about me trying to get Jeanne modkilled for the role name and yet this is justifiable.

This seems to be a point of confusion.
You can't quote, in part or as a whole, your role PM, but you can paraphrase pretty much all of it. That rule is there to prevent people from using things like wording to confirm each other.
EDIT: Basically what RP said. I wonder who he's an alt of <.<

Ooh, it's said, in Red. Thank you Dramonic.

Sharky! Claim in this exact format:

I am M.C. Hammer, Town Ascetic Hammerer. My abilities are "Can't Touch This" which makes it so that people can't target me with any abilities except killing ones, and "Hammer Time" where if someone I am voting is put to L-1 I hammer them.

Easy enough to open the role PM and fill in the blanks. Go!

[RolePlay25]

In case someone missed it:

If you want to complain about the possibility of modkill, let me show you how it is done.

This is NOT my role

, but if Dramonic modkills you, he will need to modkill me, because you can't have mod-confirmed lies in thread. This has always been fine for all the history of MafiaScum except a few games where it was CLEARLY advertised it was not.

I am M.C. Hammer, Town Ascetic Hammerer. My abilities are "Can't Touch This" which makes it so that people can't target me with any abilities except killing ones, and "Hammer Time" where if someone I am voting is put to L-1 I hammer them.

Fifteen minutes since Dramonic told Sharky that this format was fine. How long would it take you to fill that in, Town? He was actively posting, up until I gave him that exact box.

[RolePlay25]

I am ponyhidden, Town Uninspired Lucid Dreamer

I cannot do your complete format. I have it cleared up now x.x

Also we aren't massclaiming I'm pretty sure.

That's odd, I have a note from the moderator posted in thread that says "Basically what RP said".

So is this inability to claim unique to your role?

And what do your dreams do again? "Lucid Dreamers are supposed to be able to do 1 action taken on another player in a day/night phase" doesn't tell me anything. Literally anything.

And now that I've posted my list of requests for you to vote people, do you have any voting restrictions?

[RolePlay25]

Somehow I'm not surprised

Anyways, sharky, remind me what uninspired does.

Also, shall we have EAP claim flavor since he claimed role?

Good god no. He's obviously trolling and I don't give a shit. Trolling day 1 is an extremely risky strategy, you get called to account for it later in the game, often investigated by power roles, and often get lynched and die even as town, so if he's scum going in that direction, well, this is Jack's extreme lack of care. We know there's godfather(s?) in the game too, so we ignore any cop results on him and deal with it a different day. The only clear thing is: don't investigate him, don't trust any cop results on him.

Anyway, glad to have you here for this, what do you think of Sharky's claim.

[RolePlay25]

Your prose is weak, tired, spiraling
A history of depression in verse
Your namesake drowned on the streets
But in forty years accomplished more
Than you will in four score

Go pro? Go home.

----------------

It really is hard to fakeclaim well. Who here thinks that that's what happened with sharky.

[RolePlay25]

I'm not sure RP. Pretty sure sharky said that they have played 4 games total, so I wouldn't put it past them to be reluctant to claim.

Man, this just ain't true.

Subject: Newbie 1655 - Parfait [CRASH'D]

I am a PR with information. I believe you mistook Dong for I, haha.

Subject: Newbie 1655 - Parfait [CRASH'D]

If Sharky is tracker this game just became so incredibly easy.

'fraid not. Jailkeeper.

This is a clean, solid townie claim. I hate meta man, but if you gonna do it, do it right.

[RolePlay25]

Or it's my fucking role.

Oh, Roleplay, fine squire, you must be unversed in how I invented more than one genre.
Go back to school and hit the books, you'll find I'm in all of them.

The only thing in all the books
Are margins

[RolePlay25]

Cool! I want a dream that the first lynch today day instead results in the player's role name and alignment being posted in thread.

[RolePlay25]

I will also nominate a candidate to test the effectiveness of this dream.

[RolePlay25]

RP why do you not want sharky to confirm their role?

But my dream suggestion would super confirm Sharky's role, and more importantly, Sharky's alignment.

Would it not?

[RolePlay25]

Sharky:

Dream that the first time a player is lynched today that instead of dying their role and alignment will be posted in thread and the day will roll on.

I mean it's basically like we have an alternate reality lynch, super in flavor for a dream. It's a dream lynch, it's all a dream! But we remember it.

[RolePlay25]

And then what, we lynch Sharky to test the reliability of this information?

[RolePlay25]

Wait.

Did you just suggest sharky cop someone

In a town with potentially MULTIPLE godfathers as confirmed by Learned Hand

[RolePlay25]

I have suddenly developed a different opinion about you, 3 dice

[RolePlay25]

Hey I have a role, I learned the alignment of 3dice.

He's a scumbutt

[RolePlay25]

Okay, tha twas shitty man. you fucked up that claim. Now what you have to do is unvote, and then revote without someon telling you what to do, so we can actually fucking test what you just claimed.

If this is a fakeclaim why would I do that?
WAIT

3dicerolling, I am a town-aligned Lucid Dreamer. I can dream during the day.

Honestly I don't know if I'm going to far, if so I'll be modkilled. I'm going to be lynched anyway.

Okay, tha twas shitty man. you fucked up that claim. Now what you have to do is unvote, and then revote without someon telling you what to do, so we can actually fucking test what you just claimed.

If this is a fakeclaim why would I do that?
WAIT

3dicerolling, I am a town-aligned Lucid Dreamer. I can dream during the day.

Honestly I don't know if I'm going to far, if so I'll be modkilled. I'm going to be lynched anyway.

Day lucid dreamer, what the heck is this.

That sounds really cool!

@Sharky - Does the mod post the flavor? (This would give free range to confirming this)

Wait holy shit

Holy shit

This is your fakeclaim.

You have one of those "message the mod and they'll post in thread powers" and you came up with this.

Actual holy shit.

[RolePlay25]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT

NICE TRY

[RolePlay25]

YEAH THIS IS ZERO TO HUNDRED

LETS GO

LETS GO POWER RANGERS

[RolePlay25]

THIS IS THE POWER OF DAYTALK

IT GIVES YOU VOLTRON LIKE POWERS TO LEARN OTHER PEOPLE'S CLAIMS AND HELP THEM OUT

OR SCREW UP LIKE NO ONE EVER SCREWED UP BEFORE

TOO BAD I KNOW DRAMONIC LIKES DAYTALK

[RolePlay25]

Man I am so extremely 100% certain of this.

COME ON SHARKY WE NEED THE FAKE LYNCH

SO WE CAN GET NINE VOTES TO TEST YOUR "DREAM"

IT WAS CALLED YOUR DREAM OF WINNING YOUR FIRST SCUM GAME

[RolePlay25]

What are you even talking about?

HAHAHAHAAH

You made up Sharky's role in the scum PT. You were the guy he was waiting for help from!

I fucking knew he was stalling for someone.

[RolePlay25]

"HEY SHARKY I HAVE ONE OF THOSE USELESS MESSAGE THE MOD POWERS

CLAIM YOU ARE A DREAMER I'LL SEND OUT A MESSAGE THAT THE DREAM WENT OFF, THEN CLAIM SOMEONE'S ALIGNMENT

IT'LL SUPER CONFIRM YOU"

[RolePlay25]

Actual message I intercepted from his PT because I hacked his communications network.

Caps lock and rephrased to avoid quoting my genius radar detector.

[RolePlay25]

OH SO LETS TEST THIS THEORY

WE USE THIS "DREAM"

IF SHARKY DOESN'T GET LYNCHED, GO AHEAD AND LYNCH ME

IF HE'S DEAD FUCKING SCUM AND THE DREAM IS BULLSHIT, YOU DIE

[RolePlay25]

That sounds really cool!

@Sharky - Does the mod post the flavor? (This would give free range to confirming this)

Where is that coming from? Seriously, where is that coming from?

HE BOTCHED THE CLAIM YOU MADE FOR HIM

[RolePlay25]

Sharky, please tell us what happens when you vote someone.

I am not able to without being modkilled. I can probably say it's not that something happens when I vote, it's just I cannot vote until something else happens first.

Allow me to ask again. Who should I vote? Preferably not myself.

I think I get it.

You should vote for diamondsentinel.

LOOK AT THIS SETUP TOWN

[RolePlay25]

Or maybe I'm town trying to confirm whether his role exists? Calm down and think stop thinking from your limited perspective.

HAHAHA

You resort to insults. Because you have shit all else.

[RolePlay25]

COME ON THREE DICE

ISN'T THE DREAM REAL? YOU ARE WILLING TO TRUST SHARKY'S WORD ON THE CONTENTS

Sharky scum = You die
Sharky town = I die

Come on now, 3dice, isn't this an awesome test?

[RolePlay25]

HEY GUYS I'M SUPER SCUMMY I'M CHAINING LYNCHES

HEY GUYS I'M SUPER SCUMMY, I'M BUSSING SHARKY AND TRYING TO GET SOMETHING OUT OF IT

HEY GUYS I'M A TERRIBLE PLAYER WHO MAKES SHIT UP

^
Things 3dice can use to avoid this horrible, horrible fate he created for himself

[RolePlay25]

OH GOOD

WE'LL SEE HOW BAD IT WAS WHEN YOU'RE BOTH DEAD

HOW ABOUT THAT, 3DICE?

[RolePlay25]

Come on Sharky, we need you back. We need you to dream a dream about how awesome your own lynch will be.

You'll be confirmed town! It'll be the best!

[RolePlay25]

Agent Q&A Time

Q: What townie would prefer "sharky learns the alignment of a player" to "Dramonic publically posts the alignment of a player in thread in a way that proves the lucid dreaming power"?

I would like every townie to answer this

[RolePlay25]

"The mod reserves the right to limit or reject game-breaking actions.
The mod reserves the right to interpret vague actions as they see fit.
The mod may restrict actions to affect only one target.
The mod may restrict killing actions and allow the Nightmares a factional kill.
"
Letting us flip an extra person I believe is within all of these, but we will see.

A single alignment confirmed player in this setup is hardly gamebreaking.

If the moderator doesn't go for anything confirm able like that (and I don't mean some dumb in-thread message, mod messenger is a really common role in these sorts of role madness games), then we lynch.

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Hey Jeanne, I think you're town, but this over defensiveness isn't doing you any favors. Simmer down, relax. I know you're capable of solid thinking, don't let your blood boil whenever someone says something about you. Look at me. Do I care if someone says something silly? No. They're silly people. Stay focused on the prize. Being silly isn't a scumtell, suspecting you isn't necessarily a scumtell.

That being said, pushing TN is just fine~ I ain't got no town read there.

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Well I could talk about all sorts of things as a result of this. But then I realized I don't actually care to until the shot happens.

Unvote

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Yes 3dice. And if Sharky is scum, yay we killed him! :p

I also want to know rhe answer to that question. I don't mind terribly, giving it to a miller claim seems very reasonable.

Sounds good.

There's a few theories popping around my head right now, but they might just be skepticism, so we'll have to see how errant acts.

Does it have anything to do with dud inventions that kill the user?

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I'm down, but damnit, conftowning me undoes all my hard work at getting scum read. What reason will I have left for being deliberately contrarian?

Okay, this usually is left unsaid, because I don't like saying it as town, but it has become game relevant.

The best possible play in Multiball as scum is to be townie enough not to be the lynch candidate, but avoid any sort of activity that would make you threatening to the enemy scumteam - leading lynches, aggressively scumhunting, blatantly being town. Being "scummy enough to maybe be a mislynch one day" while just sliding under the radar on the current day is literally ideal play. And Cerberus knows he's doing exactly that.

Hey scumteam, you know if it's multiball or not, you can work it out from your team size. We can only lynch you during the day, they can lynch you AND shoot you. You want to hit enemy scum, you really do, and I'm telling you where it is. If it's multiball, this guy is scum. And from his play, I truly doubt he's immune to your night kill. Keep that in mind when target selecting tonight.

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Roleplay, that's what I always do. I can direct you to some example of games where I even specified in my chat with my hydra that I was deliberately being scummy.

If it's not multiball, what am I then? And, well, I think you'd want Errant to use his shot on me if you believe I'm scum at this point, right?

Nah, there's people I believe are scummier than you, and I have no idea if it's multiball.

If it is, well, I don't particularly care which flavor of scum dies

Do enjoy the panicked denials as you hasten to assure scum that you're not scum though.

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Because(and roleplay is kinda right about this, if he were talking about someone who isn't me) my play is pretty optimal for convincing scum to not shoot at me, and town to not lynch me. Arguably, one might say my play is pretty optimal for being an SK as well(which their team composition probably wouldn't tell them about either).

Unfortunately, he is talking about me, and I don't lead shit on D1 other than arguments about theory and optimal play.

Anyways, Roleplay, you're clearly someone's alt. you're familiar with Titus and some others. Have you played with me? You did this whole display of begging me to not suck and to work with you, which kinda indicates that you might have some expectations of me, but it could just be that you were exasperated and out of options.

Do you have experience playing mafia with me?

I have a completed game with Titus!

And I have no preconceived notions. You may think of me as a tabula rasa. I wish you to work with me, because when people co-operate and talk to me, like you're doing right now, it is much easier to read them. And we also need nine votes to lynch someone and while I'm hardly always correct, I definitely have a nice batting average, and more people in the pen lets me avoid things like a Jeanne lynch in favor of lynches I feel are more likely to hit scum.

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You were dead on, by the way, on me picking low-hanging fruit. That's day 1. Low-hanging fruit. In a 17 player game, it's really highly unlikely the scum is "every skilled and experienced player", and frankly I'm really certain Titus is town, so that narrows the field of skilled and experienced players even more.

Although the fact that the combined content of BBMolla, MuffinMan, and MassFlop is a smelly pig fart is definitely cause for concern. That being said holidays yadda yadda yadda

Edgar Allen Pro is also doing the same 'hedgehog don't lynch me don't shoot me' slide, but unlike you is so incredibly actively useless I can't see any scum team shooting him - we frankly have to lynch him sooner or later. Although if a vig is feeling really nice...

PEdit: I really didn't

[RolePlay25]

Itlepip replaced bbmolla, and itle has definitely produced content.

Oh that's who he replaced? Okay.

[RolePlay25]

This shot is a bunch of BS.

Errant, do not declare in thread who you shoot until it's submitted and Dramonic posts. Thanks.

[RolePlay25]

Okay great, Sharky lied. This was unexpected.

What happens when you shoot him?

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Note: This is a strong suggestion to submit said action and observe outcome

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Also, Errant, if you have any thoughts to share with the game, assuming you actually are town, please do so before you shoot, in case you are wrong.

Roleplay, wtf? I just realized that your suggestion would mean we would have no idea who he had targeted if he targeted scum, and thus all we'd know is he died. Did you seriously not realize him not declaring his target makes this way weaker?

Mmm, hadn't thought of that.

I still think this entire power is bogus as fuck, to be honest, so yeah.

[RolePlay25]

Like, can we consider the progression here?

"I'm a role that will help you at a later date!"
"By which I'm a lucid dreamer who can change the game in some way"
"By which I mean I can change something for another player or target them"
"By which I mean I can dayvig them"
"By which I mean I can give them a compulsive desperado shot"
"By which I mean I can give them a perfectly ordinary vig shot"

Let us add this line to the above:

@Davsto

"He's acting like the game that he was scum in" is essentially a scumread.

PEdit: Miller isn't explicitly bastard. Bastard typically entails like, say, telling a mafia they have no teammates when in fact they do, or not telling a cop/doctor they are insane/cpr doctor.

This game is not bastard, but for future reference insane cops aren't considered bastard.

Man, if Sharky is town, then either Dramonic was lying through his teeth to Sharky, multiple times in a row or Sharky failed to ask any of the questions he specifically confirmed he asked.

I don't think either happened.

Sharky, if you're a third party claim right this second and we'll consider letting you live.

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Also I wouldn't use my not voting against me. My role could've been useful later on, but it is kind of annoying. Especially when it comes to voting.

Lucid Dreamers can do 1 action taken on another player (none of this upgrading myself), in a day/night cycle.

I don't become a role. I simply perform an action.
I know an action I can pick is "day desperado shot"

Your role is stupidly strong. If we can do what LH suggested for multiple days, we are controlling more kills than scum, and potentially clearing town and sculpting a perfect POE endgame for us. It's much better if we don't have to risk you targeting scum and dying. If you're town. If you're scum you're certainly trying to figure out how to screw this up. :p

And again: why did you handle the vote restriction the way you did?

If that is true, then it will certainly be rejected. I am going to do a desperado shot today. Errant, Massflop, or TN. I'm still thinking.

Why are you so interested in that when I've already said I cannot talk about it?

Breaking news, I can give the compulsive day one desperado gun.

Yeah this claim has been modified too many times.

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Why are you suspecting I could be third party..?

If the gun is an ordinary gun then I've been deceived.

"I invent a day one compulsive desperado gun and hand it to Errantparabola"

I asked before if I could do this, and I could. I don't understand why errant sees it as a regular gun.

If you're actually town, and have actually been lied to directly by the moderator, we're playing in a bastard game that was explicitly declared non-bastard. That would be... a little special.

I'm going to go off "the moderator isn't lying to me about lying to me" to be honest, because if Dramonic did that it's up to him to fix his damn game state.

So if you believe that EP is lying, then the optimal solution is for him to shoot you, correct?

Outcomes:

If you are town and telling the truth:

EP dies. You selected him as a scum read already, so that seems fine.

If you are scum and telling the truth:

You die. You understand why I don't mind this scenario.

If you are scum and lying:

God knows. Does EP die? Does someone else die? Lord knows.

If you are town and lying:

I cry

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I still don't see how sharky lied.

say sharky said "I give EP a day 1 compulsive desperado gun"
The phrase "day 1 compulsive desperado gun" could be easily interpreted as "gun that belongs to a day 1 compulsive desperado"
which is now a "gun that belongs to errantparabola"
which is implicitly a "gun"

And now he's hard defending Sharky

After Sharky inexplicably picked him as his strongest scumread.

While voting for DiamondSentinel

VOTE: DiamondSentinel
One of the people I wanted to vote, thank you .3.

I am being shown a play on a stage, and the actors are all scum

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Farking soft claims.

CONFIRMATION OF ROLE IS NOT CONFIRMATION OF ALIGNMENT

So yeah. If you're town, you're only telling the scum to shoot you. If you're scum, fucking stop them, because they are making me want to lynch you VERY BADLY.

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set aside your scumteam theory for a second and look at the logic. is anything i said explicitly wrong?

Yes. He lied. You, if what you are saying is true, know for a fact he lied.

Breaking news, I can give the compulsive day one desperado gun.

Do you honestly think Dramonic said "Yes, you can give a day one compulsive desperado gun" and then gave you an ordinary vig shot with flavor? If so, that is flat out bastard moderation. That is the definition of lying to the players. It's literally the CPR doctor sort of role (Oh, you save him with your medical tools, but your medical tools are actually a bunch of knives and household chemicals because you're a crazy person so you kill them)

Dramonic: Is this game bastard? Yes or no.

Maybe he's scum who can hand out inventions with a negative effect and whatever flavor he wants.

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No, I do not think dramonic lied. He should shoot me.

Cool. I think we've reached a solution then.

I do admit part of me wonders if you gave him exactly what you said, and are actually town. If so, then him shooting you as scum would be an epic disaster.

PEdit: Nope, Sharky. This is a direct 1v1 situation. Either Sharky is lying or EP is.

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What happens if I shoot sharky and flips town?

Then he lied as town which... why... or well, we can have some annoyed words to say with the moderator.

What happens if I shoot sharky and flips scum?

... profit?

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What happens if I shoot sharky and flips town?

Then he lied as town which... why... or well, we can have some annoyed words to say with the moderator.

What happens if I shoot sharky and flips scum?

... profit?

How would me flipping townie mean I lied? Lied about what exactly?

If the gun worked he can't kill me

resulting in a flip.

Yes, that would be why

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Man, I don't see any way to misinterpret that.

I mean you can check the PM (if it exists) and see yourself, but that seems super unambiguous.

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This is a bullshit excuse to remove a bullshit made up post restriction.

Sharky definitely has a post restriction.

Edgar Allan Pro does too, fyi.

Are they not in your PT, giving you this inside information?

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Wow isn't it super convenient this sort of information is coming out 1300 posts into this game. But more to the point, that's your scum claim.

This is going to sound bad.

Who shall I vote?

Yes, it does sound bad.

'For

whom

shall I vote?'

And it still sounds bad.

You had the information that he was post restricted and YOU DIDN'T BELIEVE HIS POST RESTRICTION?!?

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Like in all honesty, once the EP/Sharky thing is worked out and one of the two is dead.

I really wanna lynch KC. Over every single other person worth lynching.

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Like in all honesty, once the EP/Sharky thing is worked out and one of the two is dead.

I really wanna lynch KC. Over every single other person worth lynching.

You
are
an
idiot.

Go fuck yourself

[RolePlay25]

Once again, the game is not Bastard.

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I feel certain there are now two possibilities. Sharky is lying, or Errant is. I suppose there is a third possibility where they are both lying, but I will leave that aside for the moment.

Sharky is lying:

He has no motive to do this as town.

EP is lying:

If he's scum, and Sharky doesn't have a PT with him, then he has strong reason to believe shooting Sharky with a Desperado gun is a death sentence. So what options does he have? Well, one quick one is to lie.

Errant, if you're telling the truth, then Sharky is lying, something he has said he has no motive to do as town. He has no motive to do this as town. Take the shot.

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I think if 3dice is scum, and the shot works, we know it was a scum gambit carried out by 3dice/sharky.

Only one IMO that gets us the potential alignment of sharky

Like I respect you as a player and all.

But this is legitimately awful.

This is two players with two contradictory claims. One of them is not town.

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Or I mean both of them are not town multiball dramonic third party nonsense jazz

But yeah.

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Yes, miraculously powers that would kill another player do not confirm you town.

Sheer lunacy, I know.

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On the other hand, he claimed miller, he's contributed very little, and if you're a third party handing out inventions that explode rather than do anything than A) that's pretty bastard in and of itself and B) I don't really care?

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Like woo, you hand the inventions to whoever we say you do. If they keep killing them then w/e, we know the dirty little secret, but we can play along because it's another kill controlled by the town.

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like you said, proven roles =/= proven alignments. I see oppurtunity for errant/sharky both being scum or whatever, or even dramonic being sneaky/sharky being stupid town.

If Dramonic actually decided "oh I won't do what Sharky said, nor will I tell him I didn't do what his power said, I did something different" then this game is bastard. The moderator controls literally everything. He sends us our role PMs. Hell he wrote the role PMs! He flips players when they die. He tells us the results of any PRs.

If he wrote Sharky's role PM in such a way Sharky could request a desperado gun, told Sharky when asked directly that Sharky could give someone a compulsive desperado gun, and then handed them a regular vig shot... well. I mean I apologize to both players, but I can't operate with the possibility that that occurred. It's like asking "what if that townie really was a Death Miller?"

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Klingon is town unless and until multiball is proven. Not voting there.

Oh right, this needs to be circled back on.

Why?

[RolePlay25]

Okay as much as I don't believe Sharky's claim

Why is ANYONE voting sharky before we test this shot.

Best case he actually dies

Worst case a useless miller claim dies, profit

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double post

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triple post

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Man like normally I'm the one screaming "GO GO KILL KILL BLOOD GORE VEINS IN MY TEETH EAT BURNT DEAD BODIES KILL" but like this is fucking not only provable but could earn us an extra lynch.

Why is anyone voting here? We wait for EP.

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Okay, I guess what I'm saying is I want more dead bodies, but I want carefully selected dead bodies.

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So your current theory here is that Dramonic is a bad moderator?

Yeah like... I don't want to work with that theory, because I literally can't do anything with it except maybe replace out and I really rather like this game.

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And to be honest, your miller claim was the better of the two. Not that I think that "exactly 1 and only 1 miller is town" is good logic for a theme game - it makes the miller oddly a form of innocent child if its applied universally.

PEdit: Doing things other than what the players request to fuck with them is literally the definition of bastard modding. I mean if he did that isn't the natural response of literally every player "you bastard!"

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Like I mean honestly, Sharky is scummy for so many reasons. A post restriction that he didn't claim until the 11th hour? Zero scumhunting? Claiming to have a role that will "help us later" when it hands out a gun today? These aren't town behaviors.

I mean you got a miller role, right? What was your response? "Oh blech, this sucks". What was Sharky's response to a post restriction? Let's see!

/confirm

Can we vote yet?

'Cause I kinda want to vote this.

It seems I've scumslipped pregame.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sharky

Rather than give a reason for his vote, he chooses to not explain, leaving everyone else to look very carefully into my single post for a nonexistant explanation.

Jeanne v 3dice isn't TvT, so as soon as I figure out what Jeanne is doing I'll be able to decide which one I'd rather go after. That will probably shed light on scumbuddies as well.

Should probably read Blitz 10 ;p

What's his plan for going after one of Jeanne and 3Dice? Oh that's right, he has none, because HE CAN'T VOTE APPARENTLY. Number of fucks he gives? I don't see any. Number of requests for someone to ask him to vote for one of the two? None.

There are town ways to play the role he claims to have been given. He did none of them.

The scummiest thing you've done so far is get a "desperado gun" from Sharky, when he NEVER PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED YOU. AT ALL. So if he's town, my reasons to suspect you're scum drop precipitously.

Although I truly do not think he's town. Still, he's been offered his opportunity to claim third party and have us see if his role is of some utility to the town, and he declined.

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Man if someone was handing out vig shots, next time I'd like one.

I'd add the fried to KC

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Hmmm.

Wait.

EP, is there any time limit on your gun that you got?

[RolePlay25]

This is an interesting thing that just occurred to me.

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Like it's a "COMPULSIVE Desperado Vig" that Sharky asked for, right?

So if that's true and we lynch someone else, then it's going to go off in his hands whether he wants to or not at day end. And sure, the target might be randomized, but if he's lying scum then I really don't care. Someone I don't want to have live dies.

And if he's telling the truth, either he has a gun tomorrow, or scum night kill a fucking miller?

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Huh.

And we get another day of Sharky inventions if he is town. Or then again, scum might kill him, which doesn't bug me much.

Mmmmmm...

EP, does that come with a time limit, or can you hold it as long as you want?

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Gah. Inventors suck. I want nifty batman crap. I really do. That's why it's so hard to lynch scum ones, everyone wants nifty batman crap.

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EP, don't answer, but if you can use the gun at night too, that plan is even better.

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Oh god

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Jeanne, I'm being entirely serious with this question, and I want you to answer it. I've told you that this is a bad idea. Titus has told you this is a bad idea. We are players who like you (or at least don't dislike you), believe you are town, and want to work with you. Titus is good at mafia, and I like to believe I am no slouch myself.

And yet you want to tilt at anyone who questions you. Mafia is a game where people are randomly assigned a role, and you are tasked to kill the ones who don't share your role. Being scum or town isn't a character judgment. People will question you. This is a fact.

Let me tell you something else. I ain't a psychiatrist, but your life and your mafia game will both be better if you don't need everyone's approval. People will disapprove of things you do. Take their advice into consideration, feel free to reject it. You don't need to change their mind.

So given that, here is my question: do you actually need to respond every time someone says something about you, and badger them until they change their mind? Because in its own way it's more than a little bully-ish.

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I don't have an issue with that, but I do have an issue with tn attacking me personally, calling me incompetent and stuff and wanting to lynch me even after I claimed. :c

Man, I already called him out on being an asshole and his completely two faced behavior. It's not a town tell, don't believe I think it is.

You

don't have to be an asshole back. I don't know what someone did in some other game. I do know what you're doing in this game. It's not productive. Look for scum. If you really think it's TN, work to sell us on that.

Because seriously, we're playing a game where our roles were created by one of the most amoral people I know, expressly to annoy us and for his own amusement, and the only thing we know is that that they're guaranteed to be messed up. I could 100% believe everything about your role, and also believe Dramonic gave it to you as scum, just because he thought it would be funny. Honestly, if you think about it, it would be pretty damn funny to give that role to scum. I mean in the "this is too annoying for words" way.

Do you believe TN is aligned with the town or the mafia?

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At this point, I just want to see tn eat his words about how I am scum from earlier when I flip town.

Honestly, I know his type. If you flip town, he'll just blame his bad read on your play, because he's the hero of his own life, and we're just obstacles in his way to beleaguer the poor hero. He's the plucky farmboy, I'm the evil witch, you're the great dragon. He'll just complain about you being town later.

Maybe he'll grow out of it, maybe he won't. Yeah, it's frustrating, but you gotta let it go. I'm bad at this myself, but it is good advice.

Honestly speaking, which person in the game do you think is least likely to be town right now? We've got 17 players, and I've lost track of a few myself, so I don't think it's a simple question. But I do think it's one worth asking.

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That's fair. Ain't a bad one.

If you want to get him lynched because he's your strongest scumread, look at what he's done. Not just towards you (although you dominate his play this day) but overall. Think about why he did it, what he could have done, what he was doing. Tell us. Not everyone will listen. Some will tell you you're full of shit. Don't lash out at them, talk to them. Kick some pebbles. Start an avalanche.

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Errant: which means his role is as described, and he messed up his dream. That means you don't want to save the scum the trouble of killing what is likely the strongest role in the game. It's unlikely he'll be blocked, because it's a day action, and it has nearly limitless potential. All that together means, if you seriously expect the shot you have is a normal vig, and Sharky is going to flip town, you don't friggin shoot him.

Yo like do you want me to go through why the role is obviously horseshit
If he actually flips damn town lucid dreamer (which is a borderline bastard role even by existing) I will eat my fucking shirt
I am figuring either creative scum in the daytalk, or third party with one of those "arson gifts" roles.

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Like "I dream that anyone who attempts to target a player tonight will instead target the next player in the playerlist."

Welcome to a game where scum shoot each other and no one knows what their results mean.

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Man, like... no. This is not the Monkey's Paw power, and if it is, we have a MONKEY PAW POWER.

PEdit: We have literal contradictory claims.

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Man like, that would be on the level of me saying "Track Muffinman" in a PM and getting the result "There's no player named MuffinMan in the game"

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I mean I'm willing to concede that tickles Dramonic's fancy, if that's what happened.

But I would be more than a little annoyed.