Newbie 2038: Elements [Game Over]

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VOTE: 72offsuit spam bad

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It's pronounced "c4e5g3d5", hope that clears it up.

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Mainly because, uh, it's spam. Also RVS.

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Not particularly.

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Not particularly.

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Trying to figure out if this whole hunterr Mizzy thing is AI at all. My best guess rn is townpoints for both but it's pretty weak.

Please kindly get an avatar. It helps a lot with keeping a track of the thread when you are skimming though, by aiding in identifying others' posts at a glance

Ah thanks, hadn't considered that. Will do.

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Feels quite LAMISTY overall too

VOTE: Mizzytastic

Ew what reading LAMIST no.

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You didn't say that though. Your reasoning could totally be read as "this is my rvs vote, I only just figured out how to do it."

And the 72 comment sounds like putting out feelers to see if it will go. VOTE: cylstar

So your attacks are:
1. Not immediately stating reasoning, but then doing so when asked, which is a valid attack, uh, never?
2. Asking for affirmation on a read... in a mfn newbie game

I still have more reading to do to catch up but this is just gross. VOTE: Mizzytastic

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ISOs:

Bipolar -- Nothing particularly telling yet IMO
AGamblingPig -- His only real read so far is his Bipolar read and it's basically a toneread so I don't feel like I can say much here yet.
Mizzy -- Tunneling someone in a vacuum is generally NAI and avoiding tunneling someone is good but Mizzy's treatment of cyl is horribly inconsistent with Mizzy's treatment of me.
hunterr -- Initial vote on me reads as obligatory contribution based on the only thing he can find to talk about. Eventually he gives an actual reason with original thought though so that's nice.
c4 -- Can't read this guy at all
cyl -- Looks like he's genuinely trying to figure out the game.
72 -- Beyond the spam he's doing a good job of being a newbie-stimulating SE.
muh316 -- hmmm
Egix -- See 72 but less so because of the relative shortage of posts.

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I think it could be trying to pass it off as an RVS vote. I feel like it has a reason or doesn't as suits her.

And my 72 vote is different how?

As for the rest of your reads, do you think doing SE stuff is AI? Cos that's the extent what you have to say about both 72 and egix. You are voting on me with 72 but from your reads list it'd sound like he hadn't done anything game relevant.

Yes, just not very. Everything that's come from 72 and Egix so far looks easy for SE scum to fake. Still makes them a little more likely to be town than an SE who is doing nothing.

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Still curious that you don't mention anything about 72's content while voting the same person he is though. Any thoughts there, beyond agreeing enough to vote in the same place?

I think we just reached the same conclusion for different reasons. I actually called out his LAMIST read on you as bad.

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Just finished my first newbie game and it didn't go well. I threw. Town lost. Wouldn't recommend reading.

I skimmed it because someone I know was in it. You were okay.

Hunter's #84 reads is good. Follow up of what they were previously questioning Mizzy over. Questioning a town read off very little.

I mean, hunterr ended up townreading the same player off of very little as well, so I'm not sure about this one.

Cylstar's #95 is something I want to mention, just because I don't think anyone else did. Tone (as in being rude or whatever) isn't AI, I learnt that the hard way in my last game.

I wouldn't dismiss tone entirely, and there are some mad geniuses who can solve games off of tone, but there's no guidebook to tonereads.

Mizzy's #102 in response to 72's 94 mirros my reasoning so town cred there. #103 isn't something I agree with (them voting cyl off their #95) but disagreeing != scum.

Mindmeld reads ew

#111 from C4 is a bit weird. Seems a little OMGUSy but their reasoning for point 2 is similar to mine so town vibes here I think.

Not really seeing how it was OMGUS if Mizzy's post wasn't about me.

#119 from hunterr is weird. Townlock on C4 from a post that 1) disagrees with their own thoughts and 2) isn't super AI in any way.

Well you have plenty examples within this post of townreading posts you disagree with so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

#135 by C4 is decent. I don't trust SE's so being cautious of them is good

Wonder why lol

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You skimmed my game so you probably saw. (...)

Basically what I had in mind yeah.

WRT Egix & muh: Hypocrisy only means that both sides are wrong or at fault at some level so the response from muh is basically just deflection though a valid point. muh definitely looks worse, not because of this, but because he's been a far bigger lurker than Egix.

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muh definitely looks worse, not because of this, but because he's been a far bigger lurker than Egix.

How so?

Before this recent string of posts, you simply had less content than Egix. That's different now, though, so that's a plus for you.

What's so bad about mindmeld reads?

It's the perfect way to generate both tunneling and pocketing.

Keeping a vote based on a microread this long is unhelpful so UNVOTE: Mizzytastic. Looking at the player list, the people who haven't had a significant positive impression on me at any point are muh, Egix and AGamblingPig.

For the most part I agree with 72's points on muh; lurking and then returning with a WIFOM defense is NAGL, and the whole "72 wouldn't gain much traction" thing is plain scummy.
Egix not caring about lurking accusations thrown at him is NAI IMO. That leaves just the lurking, with a bit of content in between.
Pig is now the lowest poster I believe. When he was posting he was putting thought into his posts, though.

VOTE: muh316 until further notice.

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Obviously it's more intricate than active = town, inactive = scum, and it's on a case-by-case basis, but yeah, activity is relevant.

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safebet's wallpost hasn't done much to change my read of the slot, i.e. still towny.

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The fact that 72 is an actual wagon now makes muh's "don't want to OMGUS because it wouldn't gain traction" thing look funny. IMO 72 will likely get easier to read over time based on his playstyle so D1'ing him is suboptimal.

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Can you elaborate on why you think that 72 will get easier to read as the game goes on?

Mostly intuition. Some playstyles look like the D1 play is indicative of how the player will play the rest of the game, and some playstyles less so.

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I mean... when town is inactive, the remedy is usually... activity...

(Hypocrisy oof)

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Don't know what to tell you, I'm not a psych major.

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Four wagons wtf

Wagons from best elim to worst: muh Pig 72 cyl

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Weird that both 72 and Mizzy started leaning towards town!cyl and started FOSing AGamblingPig within a very short amount of time. 72 being opportunistic when it looks like town is going to move in a certain direction?

You comment on my interacting with Mizzy and my vote on GamblingPig, and FoS me,
yet you make ZERO references to my actual case against GamblingPig.

Which basically reveals your mindset is not to solve slots, but rather to secure a miskick.

JD is scum.

This reach lmao

Take big issue with Egix and Mizzy forgetting this is a newbie game (re: cyl).

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I'm sorry, but there does come a point at which you can't just give someone a pass for being new. Still have to find scum somewhere, you know?

Yeah, there's a point at which you have to read new players, but with LAMIST? Come on, no.

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Since we have tied wagons and the people who plan to hammer only plan to do so to avoid NE, muh should probably claim to be safe.

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On mobile right now, do you really want me to claim given we already have one claim? Having 2 claims is not the best idea on D1.

I mean, it's that or your wagon disbands. Granted, that is an option. Just hasn't happened yet.

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Oh there's a hammer nvm.

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Sorry, I did the irresponsible thing of signing up for three games, and one's a hydra on MU so I can't really back out of it, so I'll likely have to replace out.

In the meantime, I'm still trying to figure out if DADV applies to muh. In case it does, VOTE: Egix96 is next on my list.

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Also, do you want to explain why you were pushing me for a claim when there was no intent to hammer on me?

I've been on the receiving end of a CFD as a PR without time to claim. Don't want to replicate that when it wouldn't even have been a CFD in your case. MS seems to be more careful around giving time to claim, though.

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@c4 Still haven't answered my questions from yesterday. I'll make it easy for you and repost them so you don't have to go digging

Do you think me and egix are scummy for our treatment of cyl or just bad sports playing a newbie game that way?

A bit of both.

If you think it's scummy do you think we make sense as a team with the strategy of being votes 1 and 2 on that wagon for very similar reasons?

You don't really have much significant in the way of interactions, but I'm highly doubtful that you would coordinate jumping on cyl or anything similar. Not team-indicative, just two people doing a scummy thing.

If I am scum do you think my leaving LHFtown!cyl to join what turned out to be LHF town Pig at that time makes any sense as scum beyond the WIFOM scum!me is getting from asking these questions? If I don't leave there I think cyl has really good equity for being the wagon that goes through.

It could imply you're w/w with muh, but otherwise, it's a pretty game-neutral move.