Newbie 1839: Game over

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VOTE: masons

Hello everyone

3 masons who are you in tos forums

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VOTE: JunkoChan

this is not a random vote

But why

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Should we do BP claim thingy

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Yes I really think you are scum trying to find a reason to vote junko

VOTE: GuiltyLion

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Yes it is possible because of WIFOM

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And I think lionGuilty was bussing their friend so junko is other scum

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And I think lionGuilty was bussing their friend so junko is other scum

So you think I'm scum, I came into this game and voted my partner cryptically, and then drew attention to her and myself by asking other players about that.

Why would I do that as scum? What's my end goal?

Getting townread until the end

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3.What's your read on Redflavor?

He was fine until he went full R with this line:

And I think lionGuilty was bussing their friend so junko is other scum

which contradicts his previous post:

Yes I really think you are scum trying to find a reason to vote junko

VOTE: GuiltyLion

so which one is it? a scum looking for a reason to bw a townie? or a scum busing his partner?

he also brings the wifom possibility, I believe the odds of one of you being mafia is worth looking into.

@GuiltyLion I still don't know how I feel about you town reading the person who townread you but I'm also leaning towards townreading Hewhoswims.

I agree with Junko here. Redflavor seems like a strong scumread with his actions. Alongside that, there's the fact that he brought up the BP reveal out of nowhere. A BP reveal seems like a bad idea for the town in a game like this. The BP reveal would benefit the mafia, as Junko and HeWhoSwims explained earlier, so I think that he's scum.

Also, to use his own logic from Post 39, isn't it possible that Red is a scum trying to start a bandwagon against a townie? Or perhaps by Post 42 logic, Red is bussing GuiltyScumLion. Either way, I have my vote.

VOTE: RedFlavor

Well looks like I might be wrong about Junko, that's a good post

VOTE: 3 Masons

If Junko is town, 36 looks worse. It feels awkward and the "you're drawing too much attention to yourself" comment only makes sense if 3 Masons thinks (or perhaps knows) that Junko is town

Well, you're not wrong. I believe Junko is town. I believe you're town as well. Both of you are discussing the benefits of options from the town perspective in your arguments. Redflavor is focused only on who gets lynched, and not whether thay would be good for the town. He's scum and already knows who he is going to lynch. If this were D2 or beyond, then I would understand having someone you're targeting without discussion. The first night could give you information, especially if you're the cop. Unfortunately, Wavemode's Day Cops don't exist. Therefore, Redflavor is most likely a scum who is confident in his vote.

So I want to lynch scum and I'm thinking that a scum lynch will not be good for town?

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3.What's your read on Redflavor?

He was fine until he went full R with this line:

And I think lionGuilty was bussing their friend so junko is other scum

which contradicts his previous post:

Yes I really think you are scum trying to find a reason to vote junko

VOTE: GuiltyLion

so which one is it? a scum looking for a reason to bw a townie? or a scum busing his partner?

he also brings the wifom possibility, I believe the odds of one of you being mafia is worth looking into.

@GuiltyLion I still don't know how I feel about you town reading the person who townread you but I'm also leaning towards townreading Hewhoswims.

I agree with Junko here. Redflavor seems like a strong scumread with his actions. Alongside that, there's the fact that he brought up the BP reveal out of nowhere. A BP reveal seems like a bad idea for the town in a game like this. The BP reveal would benefit the mafia, as Junko and HeWhoSwims explained earlier, so I think that he's scum.

Also, to use his own logic from Post 39, isn't it possible that Red is a scum trying to start a bandwagon against a townie? Or perhaps by Post 42 logic, Red is bussing GuiltyScumLion. Either way, I have my vote.

VOTE: RedFlavor

Well looks like I might be wrong about Junko, that's a good post

VOTE: 3 Masons

If Junko is town, 36 looks worse. It feels awkward and the "you're drawing too much attention to yourself" comment only makes sense if 3 Masons thinks (or perhaps knows) that Junko is town

Well, you're not wrong. I believe Junko is town. I believe you're town as well. Both of you are discussing the benefits of options from the town perspective in your arguments. Redflavor is focused only on who gets lynched, and not whether thay would be good for the town. He's scum and already knows who he is going to lynch. If this were D2 or beyond, then I would understand having someone you're targeting without discussion. The first night could give you information, especially if you're the cop. Unfortunately, Wavemode's Day Cops don't exist. Therefore, Redflavor is most likely a scum who is confident in his vote.

So I want to lynch scum and I'm thinking that a scum lynch will not be good for town?

Plus bp claim thingy benefits to town

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VOTE: JunkoChan

this is not a random vote

mmkay?

Should we do BP claim thingy

I've heard that is optimal, but not good for a newbie environment at early stages of the game.

"You vote me? Mmmkay? We probably should have talk about this in mafia vhat but since you are my scum friend I trust you."

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at least give us a reason why you think the bp claim benefits town more than scum, I'm interested.

Because its proven and it has all reasons in a post, just check statistics

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Have you read what me and Junko said from post 30 to 33? And later Mason agreed in 51. That's 3 out of the 4 active members that aren't you. Curious to know what GuiltyLion thinks.

Me, Junko and Mason all seem to be scumreading you now. If you are town... you're digging yourself a grave. First contradicting yourself and now saying BP claim should help town which we seem to not agree on.

As for the other 4, get active! Have prods been sent out?

I never contradicted myself

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Junko: First response to guilty's not rvs vote looked weak. But after that, response to guilty's questions seemed ok. Townie

Hewhoswims: seems contributing. Townie

Guilty: Expects junko's post to be contributing at the begining. I dont think it's very easy to do that. Then he voted someone else. TBH it really looks like he wanted to start a conversation because of him voting someone else. He is town.

Acid: he had time to do 4 posts and nothing about game itself. Scummy

Wave: most posts are about bp claim thingy.
I realized that after I posted "Guilty just looks for reasons to vote junko", the idea stroke to me of both of them being scum then I made other post. That really happened in a normal game that I was in and played recently. His reasons to think that I am town looks ok. Townie.

3masons:

Well, you're not wrong. I believe Junko is town. I believe you're town as well. Both of you are discussing the benefits of options from the town perspective in your arguments. Redflavor is focused only on who gets lynched, and not whether thay would be good for the town. He's scum and already knows who he is going to lynch. If this were D2 or beyond, then I would understand having someone you're targeting without discussion. The first night could give you information, especially if you're the cop. Unfortunately, Wavemode's Day Cops don't exist. Therefore, Redflavor is most likely a scum who is confident in his vote.

Tells that I am scum because I am confident in my vote and I think lynching someone I see as scum won't be good for town. This looks like scumslip because it says lynching guilty and junko won't be good for town. But then he told he assumed they were town because he said 5 people told that they are town. Feels like he just sheeps his reads. I have confident scumread on this.

Talon: He did not made many posts. Null.

Impede: not much about him either. Null

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VOTE: 3 masons in a trench coat

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"morning" "asap" yadda yadda

guilty v
wavemode / res / junko villagey
swims seems sorta villagey but it feels just

accepted

impede is a player in the game, as is 3m
talon,... very not villagey but also has like four posts

isoing 3m

VOTE: talon152

There is only 1 scum you say? And the most mislynchable one huh?

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Impede - Townlean - Mostly based on tone tbh
Guilty - Townlean - Maybe just because I agree with most of his reasoning so far but don''t really agree with his backing off on both junko and mason
Acid - Null read - Posting tier lists without much reasoning. Nothing overtly scummy I guess.
Wave - Null read - I like that he is not afraid to argue against popular opinion, but not sure how to read it.
Hewhoswims - null read - He has been making valid points but seems like he is trying to defend junko just enough but also keep the proper distance. Maybe a scumteam with Junko. A good player either way I think though.
Red - scumlean - Started pushing right away, got defensive and backed off when challenged.
Mason - Scumlean - I feel he has been following the bandwagon but also seems unclear of why. when called out on it his attitude of "whatever I am dead anyway" seems like he is trying to put on a front of a townie that is just confused (mislynch).
Junko - Scumread - I feel that she has been active without contributing that much to find the scum, trying come off as townie. She wants to elect a town leader which i imagine might be less likely to lynch the person advocating to put them in power. (also maybe scum partner?)

<vote> Junkochan </vote>

What do you mean by saying backed off

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So, about Impede's read on Mason since he himself claimed that he might be a bit biased. Let me dissect.

Spoiler:

- 6 is very LAMIST and it seemed a bit iffy to me when we started, but I didn't know the term LAMIST and didn't consider it a big deal. It's not really incriminating either, but yes, weirdish.

- There is definitely some paranoia in 12. This would be a scumtell that is easy to avoid however. Obviously possible he slipped up fearing to be uncovered D1 but not sure what exactly to make of it.

- 27 at least contributes to discussion.

- 51 tells me town on one hand since there's discussion but I see your arguments and I read over them the first go-round. This is where the "Mason is sheeping" problem pops up again. Mason was going after RedFlavor who quite some people, me included, were scumreading at that point. Would of course be an easy out for scum.

- 54 seems townie to me but mostly because I'm still townreading Guilty.

- 75 103 I agree with you here, potential scum behaviour. Not spotting the free townread for Guilty however?

- 127 He's... sort of making himself the victim of someone (my) reads. Is also advocating the lynch of someone with little appearances which might be scummy, but also a busy townie on whom we barely have a read.

TLDR: Yes, quite the scummy behaviour there.

Might look into Junko's iso sometime soon. Not comfy at all with that reaction.

This is interesting, but I think scum can just townread someone because they already know other scum and might wanna do pocketing.

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I'm talking about your post about 54. 3m can still be scum and I dont think townreading someone makes you town

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I dont cc

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Red, plz. You need to CC if it will prove him wrong.

What do you mean

Btw
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before doing anything else here because lolpriorities:

order is
everyone posts and confirms not being a bp or doctor
if there's a jsilkeeper, they cc at this point
if there's no cc, masons is conf-enough town and probably proceeds to die tonight

We have a little time left and he is trying to make us lose time
VOTE: acidphoenix

Why bp/doc claim and jk claim is not in the same sentence?

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I wonder what happened to wave's catch up

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RIIPPP

gngl

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Junko ns

Impede no one

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Ns means inno

3 masons, Impede

town

Talon152

null town

HeWhoSwims

wildcard

RedFlavor Wavemode

Scum lean

I thinnk I'm sitting on this reads for a bit

Why impede is town

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Guilty said junkos scum in his first post

It can be junko

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Are you claiming cop

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Or just a scum trying to hunt real cop

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VOTE: JunkoChan

Now its L-1

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If junko is scum then other scum is probably impede because she provided no reason to tr him

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Oh gosh

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I think it is talon amd wave

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I found a scumslip

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Cop: Impede town

Since scum has a roleblocker, they knew that other PR was cop
That's why talon only hypoclaimed cop and not tracker,
he knew that claiming tracker would be useless because in mafia chat they talked about who could be cop

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How im not conf town

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Im more conf town than you because cop confirmed me


You can be scum claimed doc because was going to lynched but I dont think that's very likely

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Their silence became very suspicious


They are probably scum afraid of scumslip

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Yes that's definitely what you thinked and mason explained it exactly right gj

VOTE: talon152

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Its lylo and there is no hammer


Confirmed scum

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Talon, what do you think about who is scum?

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Ok

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%25 is not a very low chance
However I think we should lynch talon first because he isnt even defending himself

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i'd also rather not lynch talon today. for one, it seems like he's unable to post rather than choosing not to post. for two, i'd rather lynch the scum that i'm a lot more confident on and then tomorrow, if i'm still alive, we can work on figuring out who the partner was. for three, there's always the chance that he gets replaced and we can get a more accurate read on the replacement who will hopefully be a bit more verbose.

Tbh protecting talon seems like protecting your scumbuddy

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VOTE: talon

"We should wait others to act scummy or NSG make scumslip"

Others cant slip because they are not scum LOL nice scumslip

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3m scum will hammer please retract your vote
It was obvious that they blocked doc when they killed someone else other than doc

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Omgomgomgomg

NORTHSIDEGAL IS GOING TO HAMMER PLEASE BE FAST AND VOTE TALON

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Oh nooooo

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Just a tip: If someone is voted in lylo and after a while no one else votes them they are pretty much confirmed scum

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Well IDK Im just a newbie (actually SE now)