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Hi!
So there's two ways we can play this game
We can go ahead with a claim strategy that I'm developing but not 100% on optimal performance of yet
Or we can not do that and play this like normal mafia
@sunlit diamond I think you're town work with me?2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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Why would you be trying to get me lynched before I can contribute anything to the game?
@red I don't know the optimal way to conduct this setup since I haven't finished the work that it takes. Why do you think it's scum indicative that I want to keep an unfinished strategy to myself?2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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I don't understand why you would feel the need to put me to L1 here and I'm concerned that it came from your scumpartner coaching you to try to get a quicklynch on me.
What drove this vote?
And can everyone calm down and take me off L1? It's extremely bad form to bring me to L1 in my first day in the thread when I've said I would catch up. Why are you trying to Lynch me before I catch up unless you're scared of my catch up red/aviqf2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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Consider it intellectual property. I don't want to waste my intellectual property and the free wins it will likely provide on games where it gets unused and leave it open for other people to use.In post 572, RedFlavor wrote:You told us if we wanna see it we need to agree but we wont know if its good or bad if you dont show us2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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this is a good vote and you should feel good about yourself for having made it but slightly less good because you have retracted the vote with the potential to feel good again if you make the vote againIn post 563, Sunlit Diamond wrote:Also I'm feeling suicidal or masochistic or both.
VOTE: Inferno
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I am town though, so unless you have something personally against me you do not want to Lynch me.In post 618, Aviqf wrote:I just want the Saul slot lynched
What's the reason that you scumread Saul to the extent of completely ignoring my contribution to the game?2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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What specifically does this meanIn post 622, Sunlit Diamond wrote:I think people should go look at RC's Wiki page.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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Okay so wrt my scumread on Inferno it's a bunch of things.
1) The way he talks he's not like sorting the game he's making a show of stuff. Like it's really posturey and it reads as someone putting on a show for an audience.
F) The timing of this seems a little fishy. (Perhaps that's just me.) And Red wasn't that oblivious to his L2, was he? Could Red and Sheep be scumpartners doing a little RVS back and forth? Seems unlikely, considering this IS a Newbie game, but you never know...
G)Why would you RESTATE your vote, Sheep?
Stuff like this. It feels super not genuine and makes me think that he's scum putting on a show of having positions. If I had to put even more specific words I'd say that he's talking the way that my dad talks when he's lying. And there is some of that in his town game which initially gave me pause but it's definitely not nearly as trumped up as it is here where it feels super surreal. Like a big thing for me is him posing the questions to the audience to make a show that he's thinking about things, a big example of that can be found hereI write the first scumhunting post of the game. Sheep says it's forced. Then sheep asks ME, the writer of the post, if I think MY OWN post is forced. I tell him that I obviously think the post is not forced, because it's MY post. Then Sheep blatantly tells me my opinion is wrong as implies that I'm scum.
It's also weird just generally how he talks about Sunset. With most people he has and commits to a read of some sort on them, possibly more aggressively than is real, but with Sunset he goes the opposite way and waffles all over the place about them and it feels like it might be newbscum trying to put together real associatives by seeming like they're genuinely considering the possibility of them being scum. Even if she's town the whole thing is really out of place and it doesn't seem like it would be his real approach.Also, Sunset seems to be lurking quite a bit proportionally and not very sure of herself. Just not very good or newbscum?
Also strongly scum indicative is
Where he basically substitutes is useful to the town for scummy/fake and it's a common thing that comes from newbscum who aren't totally comfortable calling someone scummy.There's maybe a slight bit of scumhunting, but it's very broken up, and not really useful to the town.
This is also just super weird.In post 194, Inferno390 wrote:
this seems like a power role claim.In post 192, Sunset at dawn wrote:
What I mean is that I don't want to do something stupid like getting a power role lynched day one. That counts as a mistake.In post 191, Sunlit Diamond wrote:In post 189, Sunset at dawn wrote:I didn't want to seem overconfident and make a mistake.
What do you mean by 'make a mistake'? Town generally should not need to worry about making mistakes.
This actually really reads as a scum defensiveness, if he was town who thought that they were scum he shouldn't care so much that they're scumreading him?First off, stop acting like an IC, because you're not, and you do not know everything about how to play this game. There are other people in this game who are IC's and there is a reason that they are IC's, and there is a reason that you're not an IC.
Second, so what you've basically said is that your vote is an OMGUS vote, because the only reason you're voting for me is because you don't like this post.
Third, how about you actually explain why you think this post is scummy instead of asking everyone else, because right now it looks like you're just shading this post as scummy to draw some heat off of my attack on you.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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Also more recently and largely the nail in the coffin for me: I can't see a newer player seeing me and sunlit diamond as SvS.
Like if I were newer town who thought that I was scum I would think that Sunlit diamond is town 100% of the time. It doesn't really make sense that he thinks that I'm spending all this time buttering her up unless he thinks that it's next level play but he's given no indication that he thinks it's next level play, he just seems to think at face value that's what it looks like. And I can't believe that coming from newbtown. There's a very clear read through that I'm scum and that I'm kissing up to sunlit to get her on my side, there's really no read through I can think of that explains how he thinks that we're SvS and it feels like he's just looking for people to call scum.
VOTE: Inferno
I think I'm done, that's the lynch today.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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Why is momentum such a concern in a game where you know that my being here is going to ratchet up the pace of the game anyway?
Frankly for 99% of players if you strongly enough feel the content from someone comes from scum that you're not willing to think about what a replacement does that's because you're confbiased and you need to get over it. Your advice is bad.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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And that's coming from trying to be pro-town and set a good example for people whose experience of being certain that someone is scum don't justify quicklynching ever RC but at this point I'm 95%+ on this being a scumflip and I think that there's a fairly high chance that a claim gets forced out of my slot if we don't make inferno happen now.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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I believe you.In post 675, Inferno390 wrote:
I'd really like to see your claim.In post 673, RadiantCowbells wrote:And that's coming from trying to be pro-town and set a good example for people whose experience of being certain that someone is scum don't justify quicklynching ever RC but at this point I'm 95%+ on this being a scumflip and I think that there's a fairly high chance that a claim gets forced out of my slot if we don't make inferno happen now.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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I wasn't actually 95%+ sure you were scum: I wanted to see how Creature would react to it.
The fact remains that no one I scumread is playing how I would expect your scumpartner to play in a universe where you're scum and a lot of people are making the plays I'd expect them to make as scum if you were town.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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For the record I'm still leaning you town Dia but I would put you behind others right now and I'm trying to get you out of my PoE if you're town
there's two things that are making me wary of your slot
1) I generally as a rule find that when I townread people they accept it and feel they deserve to be townread because I think fundamentally town believe that they deserve to be townread.
You have a high opinion of my play but when I townread you right away your impulse was to say that I, as town, was reaction testing you because I thought that you were scum.
That feels weird to me: it feels like the more natural play would be to assume my townread was real and I had you correctly if town or scum trying to get in your good graces if you think that I'm a good player and you have a town role PM.
2) Just generally like I don't feel much motivation by you to sort me. Admittedly I didn't have to sort you either but you mostly just seemed to accept my townread and townread me back.
Which is another way of asking why do you townread me, especially if now you're concerned that I was pushing a mislynch on Inferno?
I'm not saying either of these make you scum but they're holding me back right now.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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I don't think that it's unreasonable of Dia at all to scumread you going after Sunset for being a lurker when you just saw a game with 3 town lurkers.In post 691, Inferno390 wrote:This is one of the big contradictory spots I'm talking about. I ask the question of Sunset being newbscum, and Dia makes a big deal over the question. Then he goes and basically resates my question. And now Dia's ready to lynch becasue of exactly what he told me was a bad question.
Because my read on her wasn't just her activity or lack thereof. It was on the fact that ther was little activity, and what activity did exist seemed very unsure and newbscum.
So Dia basically shaded my question as scum and then restated my question as a read.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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You didn't punch shit in my reasoning, I just didn't feel the need to argue with you about it. Do you think that if I were scum I would be scared of you?In post 698, Inferno390 wrote:See, now this sounds like your attack on me was completely made up and you backed down because I punched a bunch of holes in it.
Yeah, combined with Saul's play, I'm definitely reading this slot as scum.
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like newsflash shit like this doesn't come from newb scum. there's nothing special about your saul read and he was actually sort of obvtown when I read him after replacing in.In post 295, SaulJoker wrote:
Go for it, but know that tomorrow you or red will be lynched for pushing me.In post 294, sheepsaysmeep wrote:red/saul/inferno are still my favorite lynches today; i can go with any of them
I'm fine with dying if it means one of you two gets lynched too.
btw red very nice voteback you did there.
You're not playing explicitly to your meta as I saw it in art deco but I think that the differences aren't necessarily scum indicative.Okay, first I'm playing within my meta, then I'm playing out side of my meta, and now... I don't know what to think.
Why am I town again, exactly?
I stand by everything I said about your phrasings leaning scum but I even said while I said it that they existed in your town game too and I was never 100% sure that the difference mattered.
Mafia is a game of shades of grey and there's few things that are universally scum indicative for all people. I have no difficulty tracing Sunlit's read on you given how clear she was about how she reads you.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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Right: so here's the thing. If you do succeed in getting me lynched my last post is going to tell everyone to policy lynch you if you try to push reads for the remainder of the game because I'm thoroughly frustrated by everything that you've done so far and think that your vote largely works for scum regardless of your alignment.In post 711, Inferno390 wrote:
Sheep,In post 709, sheepsaysmeep wrote:inferno your progression is bullshityouare bullshit, and I would have you lynched right now for constantly telling me that I'm an idiot, but I have bigger fish to fry than whiny one-scentence posters.
Sheep isn't bullshit and his way of dealing with you may not be the most respectful but your way of approaching the game isn't so hot either.
You have a lot of ego invested in the game and it's fundamentally hurting your ability both to play the game and to have other people play nice with you.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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Like your frustration with me leading to your vote is the kind of thing that is almost never going to cause you to vote scum, because scum don't actually have to try to scumhunt so they can be reserved in their actions.
They don't have to make pushes in ways that will rile up the people their voting so they will almost never be on the receiving end of your frustration with me for pushing on you.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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A) What it is is me deciding what I think gives town the highest odds of winning the game if I end up getting lynched. Nothing less, nothing more.
B) I'm sorry that you feel that way but Sheep's behaviour is reasonably standard on the site. I would definitely agree it doesn't belong in the newbie queue but I don't think that you're going to get any traction reporting him.
C) I could give a length diatribe about how your ego is impacting some of your decisions but I don't feel like going through the motions. I am town, why don't you work with me instead of against me?
I think that everything that you've thrown at me thus far is biased and unreasonable so this isn't off base.This seems like an incredible attempt to shade everything I've thrown at you so far as biased and unreasonable.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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Like at the most basic level: do you think it's possible that your frustration with Sheep and being pushed on has caused you to revenge push me to get a feeling of control over the game? Because that's precisely what I feel is going on2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.-
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