The CES wagon was nowhere near as easy as the Shea wagon, are you serious? CES has been talked about all fucking D3. Shea has been the topic of discussion for like less than 24 hours. If you don't see a difference here, your understanding of wagonomics is severely lacking.In post 3376, Ranmaru wrote:In post 3355, Ranmaru wrote:It wasn't as easy as the CES wagon just two or three pages ago. It's just me, Dunn, and CES (who can see how bad Shea's vote was). So, the wagon on Shea right now makes sense. Plus remember when I voted Shea Day 2, and you didn't actually join me. That was your time to wagon him as well.
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Vote CES, you'll be happy you did. Lama said not to leave CES till LyLo, what more do you need than that?In post 3379, Gamma Emerald wrote:Up in the air
That's why I've been questioning so much, I'm trying to figure things out to make an educated decision on CES' alignment
Also I'm still working on finding a game where I dropped a townread
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Town post.In post 3398, Davsto wrote:can we not have last minute shitty compromise lynches mkay (that's especially @Ran who was even scumreading CES earlier but has the nerve to ask me to compromise on LQ or Shea like,, the fuck? Why would I ever compromise on a lynch when the person I scumread most is at L-1??? Fuckin nuts)
This real difficulty in getting a hammer on CES despite less than 24 hours left is as frustrating as it is fishyI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Yeah, this does make sense.In post 3328, Thestatusquo wrote:My vote on CES, for those who keep saying its "SUS" is because we're at deadlineI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Shea prolly Town here. Hard to admit I was wrong all along, but I am starting to see it now.
I tend to get very paranoid about good players I am playing with, which I am sure shea can understand based on the dragon game, or whatever where he was Scum and I didn't believe Boon was Town.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Reasons rarely come up with Town/Scum reads.. What get's Town/Scum reads is behavior. Here I am seeing that was you did was actually pretty Pro-Town all things considered. Town is going to care about the deadline more than Scum like 10/10 times.In post 3409, Thestatusquo wrote:
There was other reasoning there too, obviously.In post 3407, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Yeah, this does make sense.In post 3328, Thestatusquo wrote:My vote on CES, for those who keep saying its "SUS" is because we're at deadline
I'm not just going to hop on, say, a ActionDan wagon just because we're at deadline. But it does make my threshold lower.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Derp Clear IMO.In post 3406, Thestatusquo wrote:I could have swore I remembered him voting CES but it looks like I was just remembering his vote on me.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Because Scum are usually pretty damn sure when someone votes them who it is.In post 3415, Gamma Emerald wrote:
whyIn post 3414, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Derp Clear IMO.In post 3406, Thestatusquo wrote:I could have swore I remembered him voting CES but it looks like I was just remembering his vote on me.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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If I was going to say Shea was still Scum, I would say he was faking it for that juicy Town cred when he is wagoned, not that he was just being an airhead.In post 3417, Gamma Emerald wrote:makes sense, but idk I've known some airheaded scumI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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I'd rather not risk a no lynch, honestly.In post 3423, Gamma Emerald wrote:Not much but with what's happening I can see reason to not hammer, info is being generatedI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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IMO, you would need a lot more presents to push Dunn to the level that Dunn would be a major wagon. I get you probably don't have a lot of time to play, but as the saying goes, the squeaky wheel gets the oil.In post 3428, ActionDan wrote:I really wish this day had been more a choice between Dunnstral / Marquis. Going through their recent iso's is depressing.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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What are you even talking about?In post 3462, Ranmaru wrote:Quick is already giving reads with CES out of the picture. He knows how CES will flip.
How the hell can you conclude that I know how CES is going to flip based on me leaving out of my reads list? This is why you are Scum, for dumb ass shit like this.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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IDK how he is fucking flipping so I gave my reads for regardless of how CES flips...In post 3473, Ranmaru wrote:It would be understandable if he said 'if CES flips town, here are my reads for tomorrow'. Then that would be fine.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Which would make me fucking Town, you moron... How can I possibly be "not confident" in read if I am Scum in White Flag?In post 3480, Ranmaru wrote:
It means he's voting him but lists three scum with him not being there. Like I'm talking about reads for tomorrow, but they include the person I'm voting today, Shea. It at least shows he's not confident on his read on CES while being on him. Note that he town readed him, then voted him, then says he doesn't know how he is flipping. If you can quote any certain towns person doing the same as him, I'd reconsider.In post 3474, Thestatusquo wrote:ok so even if you believe that which, heaven help you I guess...how the fuck does not including him on the list at all imply he has any knowledge of ces' alignment?I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Honestly, I do sometimes.In post 3497, northsidegal wrote:
ha, do you understand the desire sometimes to just call yourself obvtown now?In post 3482, Thestatusquo wrote:I also think the balance of my play has been pretty town as well, I think thats what should clear me, but obviously you disagree there.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Why the hell would one Scum prefer their life over someone who can stay alive way longer?In post 3483, Ranmaru wrote:CES and you both have tip toed around each other. He's only voting you because this is his last chance for survival.
You are not making any fucking sense right now.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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I think you are misinterpreting me "knowing" how CES flips differently than I am. I would say I am confident that CES flips Scum, but I don't KNOW, as in, for sure, how he will flip.In post 3502, Ranmaru wrote:
Because moron, It means you don't have an actual read on CES. Otherwise it would be right there. Now you're voting him without knowing how he'll flip without any indication of saying that you are unsure about CES. Yet you were so hype to vote CES. When I say that it shows you are not confident, while you showed confidence in this post:In post 3494, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Which would make me fucking Town, you moron... How can I possibly be "not confident" in read if I am Scum in White Flag?In post 3480, Ranmaru wrote:
It means he's voting him but lists three scum with him not being there. Like I'm talking about reads for tomorrow, but they include the person I'm voting today, Shea. It at least shows he's not confident on his read on CES while being on him. Note that he town readed him, then voted him, then says he doesn't know how he is flipping. If you can quote any certain towns person doing the same as him, I'd reconsider.In post 3474, Thestatusquo wrote:ok so even if you believe that which, heaven help you I guess...how the fuck does not including him on the list at all imply he has any knowledge of ces' alignment?
It simply doesn't line up.In post 3171, LicketyQuickety wrote:
The fuck are you talking about? North's case is based on and made based on the evidence of what you have actually done. I would say if North made an error, it is not providing enough of their own thoughts on what these things mean.. not like she has to. It's pretty self explanatory why why you have done is Scummy to anyone who knows what Scummy behavior looks like.In post 3168, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:This is why me and chamber always say cases are scummy. It's just a cavalcade of nonsense and it's very obvious a lot of it is just ripped from its context or hasn't been given much thought. It just creates the impression that there has to be something there because of its size.
I'll give a detailed reply as soon I can, but the fact that she claims that the reasons for my scum read on Marquis haven't changed when my very last post summarizes exactly why I'm currently scum reading Marquis (and it's not like I hadn't talked about those things before).I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Funniest post itt IMO.In post 3505, Thestatusquo wrote:
can we call them maroons?In post 3503, northsidegal wrote:hi can we not call people morons please thank you
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Why?In post 3524, Ranmaru wrote:A50 says that it would make more sense for Quick to list two scum reads instead of three while voting CES in his #3459.
Why would that make more sense? Other than me assuming that CES is going to flip Scum, I have no idea why I would necessarily have to have only two SRs. I think it makeslesssense to have a "perfect" number of SRs.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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I think I have pretty well covered in this thread that tells that are "I would Player X to do Y as Town/Scum" are mostly bull shit. Try asking him how often he has been right on those kind of reads compared to being wrong. He'll say he's been right more often because that is when you get the dopamine hit. I just know this kind of tell happens to be pretty much always complete BS representing someone talking out of their ass because people have tried to make those kinds of reads on me a lot and been wrong almost every single time. I think I recall like twice that someone was actually right about me with a tell like this. Let's assume that this kind of tell gets made of me like once a game. I have played about 90 games. So 2/90. Not good odds.In post 3527, Ranmaru wrote:He says that if you were unsure that you'd instead use a pool saying 'Scum are in X, Y, Z'.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Lycan,
I know you want to get your jollies off by lynching me because you think we have this game in the bag so my lynch won't effect the outcome of the game, but I think it's pretty fucked up you try to say you have "insider knowledge" that says I am Scum, when I am not.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Almost done putting Dunn's votes in order on D1... Looks opportunistic af as is. Can't wait to do D2 and D3!In post 3570, Thestatusquo wrote:
Considering you were barely here, this defense holds less water than you think it does.In post 3568, Dunnstral wrote:If you look deeper into the votes you'll see I had numerous opportunities to hammer people who weren't CES - I'm not scum
I had the opportunity to hammer Marquis.In post 3560, ActionDan wrote:The information on a scum CES flip was: Don't lynch Marquis before DunnstralI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Well.. itIn post 3569, Dunnstral wrote:
What do you think about actiondan if it's not me?In post 3565, LicketyQuickety wrote:VOTE: Dunn
Pretty sure this wins us the game.
@Lycan,
How do you explain me not voting for shea when I had the opportunity to and instead stayed on ECS if I am Scum?isyou so I am not worried about that.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Spoiler: Dunn's votes
We see Dunn not moving their initial RVS vote on Marquis until the wagon is collapsed. We then see a quick on and off vote for postie, probably thinking chill is going to end up getting TR, and thinking the postie wagon might take off, and then we see Dunn go back to Marquis when it looks like the marquis wagon could actually be a lynch here again. When that wagon just collapses down to the two Scum buddies, Dunn decides it would be a good idea to hop on another Town wagon that is building steam (Tchill).
What we can see here is that Dunn shows absolutely no conviction with their votes - they seem to just be voting what is popular D1.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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EBWOP, had to make a switch in the vote oder. This one should be correct.In post 3573, LicketyQuickety wrote:Spoiler: Dunn's votes
We see Dunn not moving their initial RVS vote on Marquis until the wagon is collapsed. We then see a quick on and off vote for postie, probably thinking chill is going to end up getting TR, and thinking the postie wagon might take off, and then we see Dunn go back to Marquis when it looks like the marquis wagon could actually be a lynch here again. When that wagon just collapses down to the two Scum buddies, Dunn decides it would be a good idea to hop on another Town wagon that is building steam (Tchill).
What we can see here is that Dunn shows absolutely no conviction with their votes - they seem to just be voting what is popular D1.
We can also say Gamma is probably Town here considering his hop off hop on when there is no Scum incentive to do this.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Spoiler: Dunn's votes D2
We don't have a lot on Dunn here other than to say that when Eddie was placed at L-1, that Dunn hops off Eddie and onto Marquis. Basically this means that as soon as Dunn saw Eddie was getting lynched, they abandoned ship.
There are links to the votes here, where Dunn doesn't really give any reasoning at all for why they voted the way they did. I encourage you to check out the vote posts that Dunn has.
This is the entirety of what Dunn said in between the vote from Eddie onto Marquis:
That is it. That is all that is there.In post 1882, Dunnstral wrote:What is the hesitation here?
It should also be noted that neither Marquis nor Eddie posted in between the time Dunn voted from Eddie to Marquis. What this shows is that Dunn's votes, once again, are not sincere. Why we know this is because Dunn's votes are not at all dependent on what the people who Dunn votes has said, but rather, that they are based on Dunn's own opportunism.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Yeah, but the thing is, if the votes are what they were, you have noIn post 3578, Gamma Emerald wrote:
AgreedIn post 3574, LicketyQuickety wrote:Also, I am pretty sure this rules out a Dunn/Marquis team
Also re: the next post and the point that my hop on hop off with Dunn was town-indicative, I'm not sure why? It's just me being a dum-dum imo.incentiveto get off in the first place, because you have far more incentive to stay on to keep the votes from flipping on to a Scummate, which can happen sometimes. I am not explaining this very well, but basically, it's completely unnecessary for you to move your vote at all in that spot because you have literally NOTHING to gain by doing so.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Doesn't matter.In post 3584, Gamma Emerald wrote:
...except I was just told my reasoning for voting was wrong?In post 3580, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Yeah, but the thing is, if the votes are what they were, you have noIn post 3578, Gamma Emerald wrote:
AgreedIn post 3574, LicketyQuickety wrote:Also, I am pretty sure this rules out a Dunn/Marquis team
Also re: the next post and the point that my hop on hop off with Dunn was town-indicative, I'm not sure why? It's just me being a dum-dum imo.incentiveto get off in the first place, because you have far more incentive to stay on to keep the votes from flipping on to a Scummate, which can happen sometimes. I am not explaining this very well, but basically, it's completely unnecessary for you to move your vote at all in that spot because you have literally NOTHING to gain by doing so.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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TBH? I would drink too if I had to replace into this game.In post 3585, Gamma Emerald wrote:
nope ur fucked upIn post 3583, Shadoweh wrote:okay so like, ive only had one glass of wine and i f i lii k carefully at the keybolard is doesn't bemess up that muchI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Go home, you're drunk.In post 3588, Shadoweh wrote:lcitkety undesrstands me3
i misundsterstoof wsleepy, he meanst li vky was begins wacky asa scums beign weird thing
i didn't knwos how ai umisdunderstoofd that buti htink it was my thought wfrom reading back and i just assumed sleepy afreed with me
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Well, because reasons don't matter when doing VCA. And Town can be wrong about a lot and still be Town.In post 3589, Gamma Emerald wrote:
How?In post 3586, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Doesn't matter.In post 3584, Gamma Emerald wrote:
...except I was just told my reasoning for voting was wrong?In post 3580, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Yeah, but the thing is, if the votes are what they were, you have noIn post 3578, Gamma Emerald wrote:
AgreedIn post 3574, LicketyQuickety wrote:Also, I am pretty sure this rules out a Dunn/Marquis team
Also re: the next post and the point that my hop on hop off with Dunn was town-indicative, I'm not sure why? It's just me being a dum-dum imo.incentiveto get off in the first place, because you have far more incentive to stay on to keep the votes from flipping on to a Scummate, which can happen sometimes. I am not explaining this very well, but basically, it's completely unnecessary for you to move your vote at all in that spot because you have literally NOTHING to gain by doing so.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Well, then you are not really doing VCA, but "Does the reasons for player X voting player Y makes sense?"In post 3592, Gamma Emerald wrote:Excuse me no? I try to factor in reasoning when analyzing votes.
There is a concept in mathematics where if there is even one extra thing that could have an influence on the outcome of what you are trying to calculate that it becomes impossible to predict what the result will be. That's is basically what you are doing when you try and mix and match VCA with looking at reasons for why someone voted someone. The reasons in this case, obfuscate the method to say who is Scum by mathematical means.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Sorry I missed how these things connect me being Scum???In post 3593, Lycanfire wrote:okay i wasn't going to hurt anybody's feelings but this is reaching COPPA level stupidity
drinking alcohol does not make you an idiot. it makes you disoriented. it harms your impulse control. you're still 100% capable of reason and shame unless you have an actual medical condition such as alcoholism that leaves you susceptible to black outs.
and if you are blacking out, you aren't capable of hitting submit. blacking out means you might punch someone at the slightest provocation and never remember it, or say something you otherwise wouldn't say. you know, with your mouth.
this is all the more reason why we're lynching LQ.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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You were... you were totally being like everyones top 3 for a while.In post 3623, Ranmaru wrote:
Can you go more into this? How was I riding being heavily town read?In post 3608, Davsto wrote:But his behaviour as a whole yesterday felt very,, off compared to the first two days. I haven't rechecked in detail but my instincts feel like he was riding being heavily townread day one and two and got a little carried away maybe? Again that's mostly me just thinking off the top of my head I haven't looked properlyI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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So naturally, I have to ask you why you were TRing Marquis.In post 3656, Dunnstral wrote:
Alright, what I was thinking of for last day phase was the point where I unvote marquis even after he ignores me and lazily votes for me, also denying actiondan the opportunity to ever hammer marquis (who could be town)In post 3634, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Point them out, I want to look at all of them.In post 3633, Dunnstral wrote:Again, I had many opportunities to hammer what CES was pushing though, you're not looking at the full picture
VOTE: actiondan
This looks most likely to meI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Can you quote where you talked about this?In post 3660, Dunnstral wrote:I saw his posting sequence that happens before my unvote and had second thoughtsI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Well, then IDK why you unvoted in the first place if you never said why you unvoted. This is why reasons are good, which is something you fall short on to epic proportions this game. I can't just believe that you were doing it for good reasons. I mean, for all I know, you unvoted Marquis thinking that Marquis was going to get lynched anyways. I have nothing to compare it to so I am left with nothing regarding why you did xyz.In post 3662, Dunnstral wrote:I didn't, I'm responding to you asking why I unvoted in the first placeI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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You only say this because you know you have no defense for your actions. It's called a strawman.In post 3689, Dunnstral wrote:
Jog my memory, why isn't actiondan scum from your point of view?In post 3688, Shadoweh wrote:Which leaves you and DunnstralI was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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I mean Dunn is voting Dan for fucks sake. Dan was the one guy that North said they could be wrong on IIRC. More opportunism from Dunn. It's obvious as shit in a urinal that Dunn is Scum here.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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I've said it. Dunns votes are suspicious as all fuck and since Dunn explains fuck all that leaves us back to the beginning of the game where Dunn naked votes Marquis as RVS. I mean Dunn's first post where they vote Marquis is like the perfect representation of Dunn's play as a whole this game.In post 3716, Lycanfire wrote:
justify your dunnstral vote or swingIn post 3714, LicketyQuickety wrote:What the hell is even your problem Lycan? It's like you are upset at Transcend and taking it out on me.
If you think Dunn has played more Pro-Town than me you are out of your fucking mind.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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Go back to the beginning of this Phase and read me from there. I explain and lay out in explicit detail why Dunn is Scum because of their votes. Dunn should NEVER make it to end game based on the way they have played.In post 3725, Lycanfire wrote:
dunnstral's votes are bad how? you had nearly the same votes. explain.In post 3723, LicketyQuickety wrote:
I've said it. Dunns votes are suspicious as all fuck and since Dunn explains fuck all that leaves us back to the beginning of the game where Dunn naked votes Marquis as RVS. I mean Dunn's first post where they vote Marquis is like the perfect representation of Dunn's play as a whole this game.In post 3716, Lycanfire wrote:
justify your dunnstral vote or swingIn post 3714, LicketyQuickety wrote:What the hell is even your problem Lycan? It's like you are upset at Transcend and taking it out on me.
If you think Dunn has played more Pro-Town than me you are out of your fucking mind.I was anything worse than you! Anything worse than you was I!
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