White Flag - TM2020

[BBmolla]

Cheeky do you still think I’m scum

[BBmolla]

I’m apparently the only one who thinks Dong is scummy so I figured it must be playstyle

Right so you townread Dong because they're too scummy to be scum kinda thing?

You all did. Plus who comes in like he did today. Who kills Ceph and goes for Auro?

[BBmolla]

Are you interrogating me or are we working together Cheeky

[BBmolla]

Cause if you’re interrogating I don’t really have interest in working with you because if you still think I’m scum your opinion is meaningless to me

[BBmolla]

I’m apparently the only one who thinks Dong is scummy so I figured it must be playstyle

Right so you townread Dong because they're too scummy to be scum kinda thing?

You all did. Plus who comes in like he did today. Who kills Ceph and goes for Auro?

[BBmolla]

Hopkirk - 5 (Dannflor, Cephrir, BBMolla, CheekyTeeky, Formerfish)

raise your hand if you think this was all town

[BBmolla]

Vote Count

northsidegal

- 5

(

Kittymo

,

Cephrir

,

Dunnstral

, Formerfish, gobbledygook)

Formerfish - 4

(

BBMolla

,

northsidegal

, Dannflor,

Espeonage

)

gobbledygook - 1

(

Hopkirk

)

Not Voting - 3

(Auro, CheekyTeeky, Dongempire)

Activity Check - All Good!

Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-17 22:59:30)

Vote Count

northsidegal

- 7

(

Kittymo

,

Dunnstral

, gobbledygook,

BBMolla

, Dannflor,

Cephrir

, Dongempire)

Formerfish - 2

(

northsidegal

,

Espeonage

)

BBMolla - 2

(CheekyTeeky, Formerfish)

gobbledygook - 1

(

Hopkirk

)

Not Voting - 1

(Auro)

Activity Check - Lynch at #1460

Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-17 22:59:30)

[BBmolla]

BB went from tunnelling Dong to townreading them because everyone else did. Went from hard defending gobbles to lynching them and when I ask questions I get stfu.

Yes reads change when they're not made up. That's how it works.

[BBmolla]

1) lurkers are fucking poison to a mafia game

2) and if you think that's me being aggressive you haven't played with me enough

1) Agree but this lurker is a paragon. Again I won't lynch her for what may happen. She will be obvious scum tbh so I'm not concerned about a scum!nsg slipping through my fingers.

2) I was thinking the same thing when dann called me rude lol.

I guess if you had read a little bit more it wouldn't feel like you just latched onto the first explicitly scummy post you saw and then went 'Zomg obv scum.'

When I read through Dong's iso there are a lot of scummy posts, so much so that it seems too scummy to be scum. I think 'surely he would think before posting as scum.' So I'm not sure if he's a generally scummy player as town or if he's just scum here. I kind of need more from you on Dong so I know that your read is legit and you're not just surface level scum hunting as scum.

i like this post a lot I'll trust you on nsg

[BBmolla]

What is post 881 Dann

[BBmolla]

Auro/Dann is nonsense.

Dann/Cheeky makes most sense if we're theorizing he's scum.

[BBmolla]

BB went from tunnelling Dong to townreading them because everyone else did. Went from hard defending gobbles to lynching them and when I ask questions I get stfu.

Yes reads change when they're not made up. That's how it works.

Or you know people's alignments and you're just going with the flow.

Compare an improv scene versus a play

[BBmolla]

Cheeky I don't understand why you're death tunneling me

like who is my partner

and why would I be purposefully playing shitty

[BBmolla]

Like, I can't prove this because the site crashed and the game was deleted, but I played an ythan nightless where all three of my mafia buddies were lynched in the first four days.

I survived 8 mislynches and won the game

You don't do that by playing erratically, you do it by planning out each read and progressing it slowly to tip it over and have it be a viable lynch.

I'm erratic because I'm town. I'm also fucking terrible, which is why I consistently live till LYLO, but if you can read me as town I can literally just be this bulletproof townie slot

I don't understand why you're still coming at me.

[BBmolla]

My team thinks your scum Cheeky, I'm trying to explore every avenue, but yeah you kind of look like scum at this point tbh

[BBmolla]

The answer to this game is in the posts 1267 -> 1523

[BBmolla]

My team thinks your scum Cheeky, I'm trying to explore every avenue, but yeah you kind of look like scum at this point tbh

So vote me?

We got all day and I want more Gobbles post

why are you in a rush

[BBmolla]

For the record, someone on my team thought Ceph was scum and is a bit demoralized by the flip lmao

[BBmolla]

I'm actually leaning towards an FF lynch

can we fucking not

[BBmolla]

You haven't pushed anything solid this game BB. What are you scared my flip incriminates you?

Absolutely not because I'm town lmfao

[BBmolla]

I think FF is town Dann

[BBmolla]

What is post 881 Dann

[BBmolla]

you can't take away credibility when I have none

that's my secret

[BBmolla]

Look the options today are me or Dann. I lose, so end it.

???

what the fuck are you talking about

[BBmolla]

Dann don't fucking ignore me, I want you to address that post of Cheeky's.

881

[BBmolla]

What is post 881 Dann

a bad post in favor of scum!Cheeky

not completely damning though

idk her self vote is really throwing me right now

do you see town!Cheeky making that post at all

[BBmolla]

hey

just so ya'll know I think Cheeky is trying to replicate my reaction to my wagon

I'm likely lynching her today

[BBmolla]

Cheeky/Dann
Auro/Dong
Cheeky/Dong
gobbles/Dann?

[BBmolla]

god damn Dong is the most skilled artist at making awful posts, it's crazy

[BBmolla]

Cheeky/Dann
Auro/Dong
Cheeky/Dong
gobbles/Dann?

Why is FF town?

day 1

[BBmolla]

jesus fuck game is hard

[BBmolla]

mafia isn't about being correct

[BBmolla]

like what the fuck is your point in 3055? if it's to look like a pretentious ass you're succeeding bruv

[BBmolla]

is the point that you think FF is lying about all those things intentionally?

[BBmolla]

sorry im just tired of people trying to outlogic people to "prove" they're scum

it's just nonsense

continue

[BBmolla]

okay i read this push

it blows

but feel free to continue

[BBmolla]

All I can think of when I look at those VCs is that Dong is scum

[BBmolla]

Molla, you're still on board for lynching Gobbles, right?

im voting cheeky

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Cheeky

[BBmolla]

Molla, it's important that we reach consensus. Do you still put stock into scum!Cheeky? Does Dann's towncase on her do anything for you?

@Dann::Molla's competent, I don't see what makes him town necessarily. Easier to look town this game given how the others are playing.

Did Ank just swoop in with that wall suddenly? Did she not have smaller opinions before, like wrt Dong?

Still think she’s scum, all these new wagons popping up are horrendous

[BBmolla]

I’ve also been away for grad auditions

They went horrible but that’s another story

Like I can give y’all my lynch order preference if that would help

[BBmolla]

Why don’t you think I’m town Auro

[BBmolla]

Maybe it is Auro/Dann?

[BBmolla]

I donno. Do you think I could fake everything I’ve said?

[BBmolla]

Gobbles can you fucking activate town gobble mode?

[BBmolla]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Dong

[BBmolla]

Do you think Cheeky's town then?
What's the case on FF doing for you?

No
nothing

[BBmolla]

I legitimately don't see how the wagons can be how they've been with FF as scum

[BBmolla]

Cheeky, thoughts on Dong?

[BBmolla]

BBMolla, thoughts on FF?

Gave them alreDy

[BBmolla]

BB are you just omgus voting Dong here? Can you talk about why Dong is scummiest than me?

More possible partners, more achievable lynch than you

[BBmolla]

BB are you just omgus voting Dong here? Can you talk about why Dong is scummiest than me?

More possible partners, more achievable lynch than you

Auro has more partners and is definitely achievable. Are you not trying to find scum?

I don't really think Auro is scum

[BBmolla]

Like the Dong lynch should happen today. It'll say a lot about partners. Right now Dong is the default "I'm not sure who the partner is to x, probably Dong."

If Dong ends up being town I think the scumteam becomes clearer.

But moreso I think lynching Dong wins us this game

so

[BBmolla]

If Dong ends up being town I think the scumteam becomes clearer

Can we discuss this hypothetical? What does Dong town imply?

Well that means that two of the others are scum.

Which combos do you have that don't include Dong?

[BBmolla]

Like I know that sounds obvious, but really Dong is kind of a wildcard in terms of teams.

I feel like I've got relative townreads on everyone else, wrong on one of them obviously, but yeah.

[BBmolla]

Also it's just so weird, Dong is listed as a possible partner by multiple people but there's a lynch resistance to him

?

[BBmolla]

Like Dong is not a strong player imo, no offense, it should be fairly easy to mislynch him if he's town, yet it hasn't happened this game

why?

[BBmolla]

Dong's ISO is so fake-able and gross

[BBmolla]

[BBmolla]

[BBmolla]

Which combos do you have that don't include Dong?

FF|Gobbles
Gobbles|Molla

I don't see the lynch resistance you talk about? He already has two votes from you and Dann. Gob wants to lynch him. You just need one more vote from Cheeky and me.

And yet there is still not a single time that Dong has reached past two votes.

How?

How does scum not fucking jump at the opportunity?

He's behind in posting terms compared to

four dead people.

Scum would literally just need to make a mild push and Dong would be lynched.

Why has this not happened??

[BBmolla]

UNVOTE:

Hold on

[BBmolla]

Like can't we talk about this?

What is the deal with people and Dong?

Like it's so fucking weird is it just me

I want to lynch Dong, but I don't want to needlessly end the day so soon

[BBmolla]

When ya'll are ready I'm back in and I 100% think it's the right lynch.

But yeah whatever peace needs to be said let's say it because if we're wrong we need all the fucking info we can have for tomorrow

[BBmolla]

Lol Dong only has two votes. I'm hammering after the next vote you jumpy Jack.

Aye okay.

Well still

No quickhammers please

VOTE: Dong

[BBmolla]

So you're not very confident BB?

I am

But if we're wrong we shut down discussion today for no reason and didn't get all we could out of people today

People can say anything tomorrow, but scum today must have some sort of plan. If we're wrong and we force people to commit more to reads and such than we're in a better spot tomorrow.

Basically once tomorrow comes the new content will be useless. It will all be based on what's happened before. Let's make sure to have as much happen before so that there's a lot to go through.

Idk does that make sense?

[BBmolla]

I can't quite explain it.

I don't like Dong's constant deflections

I don't like Dong's posting rate

I don't like how Dong's content was just them doing a color commentary on things

The reads seem fabricated, like the conclusion was formed and evidence was found to support that conclusion

[BBmolla]

The partner can be any number of people who have deflected Dong wagons

Auro what's your thoughts on Dong

[BBmolla]

I dont like the dong wagon, I think its auro and you guys are just being bowled over by how much hes posting.

I get that my word here doesnt mean much, and i wish I could say more about why I feel this way, but I cant.

I dont know why scum hasnt pushed there seriously before, maybe they were afriad thta dong was playing possum, I did like dongs case against Auro.

Does dong try to pocket me by casing Auro like that?

If Dong is town do you really think we're not going to catch Auro and his partner tomorrow?

[BBmolla]

Look all I can say is the number one player I don't want to go to LYLO with is Dong.

Cheeky has posted a ton to sift through

Gobbles is looking fine enough to read

Dann and Auro have made enough opinions that a hindsight will give immense insight

FF is likely town due to wagons

It's just Dong. That's who I want.

[BBmolla]

If Dong is town do you really think we're not going to catch Auro and his partner tomorrow?

I cant say the thought hasnt crossed my mind. Cheeky will know why soonish.

what does this mean

[BBmolla]

I mean fuck I don't know. This game is exceedingly hard and I feel like that should be a fucking clue for us all.

But I can't understand, how in this game of power players, Dong constantly coasts and has yet to be rung up.

It's literally baffling.

Do scum pocket Dong? Like if Dong is town, that says something about who is scum, no? That they don't think he's worth trying to mislynch, that they chose other players to go for over him.

I donno. The whole thing is fascinating but ultimately I think the simple answer is correct which is just that he's scum.

And I'm down to talk about it. I don't see myself voting any other way atm. I need him gone for the victory or the information.

[BBmolla]

I lost the scumread after their NSG hammer.

Why?

[BBmolla]

If FF is scum, why does he instead try to get the harder Auro lynch over Dong?

[BBmolla]

Like I genuinely can't fathom how that makes sense here. You could say "because Dong is scum too" but in that case lol yknow?

[BBmolla]

Like I genuinely can't fathom how that makes sense here. You could say "because Dong is scum too" but in that case lol yknow?

What?

If we're arguing to not lynch Dong because FF could be his partner and that being the reason FF didn't want to lynch him here... it's just a little backwards

[BBmolla]

godfuck

Gobbles do your posting frequency thing

look how fucking many posts we have

[BBmolla]

if you're scum lie to me about the results I don't fucking care but I want to see them graphs

[BBmolla]

FF lynch does nothing for me.

I already think they’re town and then I end up in a lylo with Dong and Auro butting heads and no further answers.

[BBmolla]

I’d rather lynch Auro than FF

[BBmolla]

Probably fucking Gobbles/Dong lmfao

Just lurk away while we rip each other to shreds, gobble shows back up to seal the deal

I donno

[BBmolla]

Up to you guys I suppose. That’s where I stand.

Dann get in here and give your thoughts ASAP

[BBmolla]

But I don’t think FF is scum

I get how that’s an issue for you and cheeky but it’s not for me tbh

[BBmolla]

Dann is scum

[BBmolla]

I’m so fucking confused about Danns perspective

I’m not lynching FF

[BBmolla]

Also why you telling me to shut up I was only half serious

[BBmolla]

I’m good with ending this day, I don’t like Danns detail tbqh

[BBmolla]

Is that a hammer?

[BBmolla]

Well if it’s not I’m still good to end the day, I want this lynch. If I’m wrong I’m truly sorry but I think we can solve this in LYLO if there’s a town flip.

[BBmolla]

Only thing is it might be worth getting Dongs final remarks

[BBmolla]

Well if it’s not I’m still good to end the day, I want this lynch. If I’m wrong I’m truly sorry but I think we can solve this in LYLO if there’s a town flip.

What would your solve be if there was a town flip?

Auro/Dann I think

Auro/Gobbles?

Idk I think you’re Town now as weird as that is

[BBmolla]

If FF is scum it’s with Dong and he’s gambiting

[BBmolla]

Or gobbles I guess but

Bleh

I think gobbs is towb

[BBmolla]

Titus and Math helped me see it I’ll ask them

Every time they post though it seems agendaless, but also the early wagons

Sorry I’m really tired atm, if we let the game go till tomorrow I’ll try to post something more effective

Edit: for gobbles too, we will talk tomorrow, sorry at my girlfriends so can’t get quotes and stuff

[BBmolla]

First part of post is about FF

[BBmolla]

Every time they post though it seems agendaless, but also the early wagons

I don't see which early wagon clears Gobbles.
Gobbles was on the NSG wagon sure, but Dong hammered it.
Didn't you say they might have been lurking on and off while town destroyed itself? So they can choose to be agendaless; why does that make them town?

that post was about ff

[BBmolla]

And what discounts BB+Gob again?

are you fucking kidding me

[BBmolla]

Vote Count

northsidegal - 5

(Kittymo, Cephrir, Dunnstral, Formerfish, gobbledygook)

Formerfish - 4

(BBMolla, northsidegal, Dannflor, Espeonage)

gobbledygook - 1

(Hopkirk)

Not Voting - 3

(Auro, CheekyTeeky, Dongempire)

Activity Check - All Good!

Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-17 22:59:30)

this is why FF is town

[BBmolla]

BB when you get back I would still like to hear about town gobbles and town FF.

okay

so gobbles is getting run up, everything thinks he's scum

so he gets mad, cusses everyone out, and leaves

idk the whole thing doesn't seem like gobbles scum strategy

[BBmolla]

also apologies if I misgender anyone

[BBmolla]

look im only voting Dong, do what ya'll please, get a lynch without me if you like

[BBmolla]

Vote Count

goobledygook - 3

(Cephrir, BBMolla, Auro)

Dongempire - 2

(gobbledygook, Dannflor)

Not Voting - 4

(CheekyTeeky, Dongempire, Formerfish, Hopkirk)

Activity Check - Prodding gobbledygook

Deadline: (expired on 2020-02-10 23:00:00)

With 9 Alive, it takes 5 to Lynch

[BBmolla]

Dann, you believe Molla's vote on Gob in that VC makes their pairing improbable, and FF's Dong vote today is a gambit?

I do to part 2

[BBmolla]

In terms of if FF is scum it has to be with Dong

[BBmolla]

Molla, weird question maybe, but can you elaborate on why you’re suddenly town reading Cheeky now?

I think it’d be an excessive amount of work to fake the way cheeky has played this game and there’s been multiple points where I think cheeky has had suboptimal reads for their slot but stuck to them because they’re true

With that being said I think Cheeky is a really good player and I could be fooled, but their reads seem to be like mine and progressing naturalky

[BBmolla]

Yeah it’s a hard game.

I’m sure the dead are yelling about how dumb we are lmao

[BBmolla]

I’m not voting Dann

[BBmolla]

what’s the VC?

[BBmolla]

Hrm

[BBmolla]

Okay well I’m not voting anyone but Dong rest of the game

[BBmolla]

Lmfao it’s crazy how impossible this Dong wagon is to get through

[BBmolla]

Dong comes back and posts literally nothing worthwhile and now the wagon dies

What the fuck

[BBmolla]

FF

What is this scumteam with Dann on it

And why is it not Dong

[BBmolla]

Cheeky and Molla, thoughts in a dong town flip world?

Dong, in your mind its as simple as Auro correct?

probably makes it Auro/Gobbles or something

[BBmolla]

like it'd be something fucked, I'd have to double check everything.

Dann/Auro or something maybe

[BBmolla]

like that's why I think it's Dong, for it not to be, it'd have to be really fucked up

[BBmolla]

and yes I saw the last page, I'm undeterred.

[BBmolla]

I mean realistically I think if Dong is town, Auro is scum

[BBmolla]

I think FF is town

[BBmolla]

If Dong is town I'm very down to re-evaluate, I'm not gonna insta vote, but every time I go and look at FF's ISO I come away thinking they are probably town

[BBmolla]

Like FF and Gobbles both feel like town

The only person who feels un-town to me atm is Dong

[BBmolla]

At this point I'm pretty convinced.

But if Dong is town I'm basically throwing out my reads and restarting

[BBmolla]

All I know is I don't want to have that slot in LYLO

[BBmolla]

Dong surpassed Hopkirk on the activity overview, grats

[BBmolla]

One thing I will say to argue for Gobbles scum is in almost every game I've played with town Turkey they are in top 3 posters while in this game they are in bottom two of living players in terms of postcount

[BBmolla]

Why don’t you think I’m town Auro

Maybe it is Auro/Dann?

I donno. Do you think I could fake everything I’ve said?

Let me flip this on you - why aren't you townreading me, Molla? Why must I be townreading you? I have far more content - you think I should conclude that you can't fake what you've posted. Do *you* think I can fake everything I've done so far?

I didn't remember you as a player so I relooked you up and saw a Newbie where you shrekked me as scum, and you made posts that I would never in a million years be able to fake. You wrecked me in another scum game as well.

My normal metrics for reading players don't seem to matter for you, you seem to be able to fake all the things that ping me as town

That's why you're sort of this blank spot for me.

[BBmolla]

At this point I'm pretty convinced.

But if Dong is town I'm basically throwing out my reads and restarting

Then I want you to do this restart right now, so I can lock your trajectories if you're scum. Assume Dong!town and let's arrive at your conclusion.

I can't tonight, if we want to keep holding off I can try tomorrow night? It'd require a whole lot of fucking reading.

[BBmolla]

At what point did you relook at that Newbie game?

I really don't remember tbqh, I just assumed you were town due to the wagon that died on you d1 for most this game, it was some point in this day phase that I actually decided to look into you, it was after the whole first part of this day where Dong was going hard for you

[BBmolla]

A lot of this in influenced by my team as well, they really went hard on FF being town iirc and it stuck to me

They also thought Cheeky was scum but that was a bit ago

[BBmolla]

Auro do you have like an incredibly solid townread on Dong?

[BBmolla]

Auro it's you and Dong isn't it

[BBmolla]

Jesus fuck everything makes so much sense if it's Auro/Dong

[BBmolla]

You and your partners, PenguinPower and implosion, share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located [REDACTED],

where you may talk at any time.

Auro is coaching Dong to bus him

And then the whole fucking "I'm gonna fake hammer you, pretend to be hammered" gambit makes so much sense

[BBmolla]

Auro doesn't want to kill me tonight so he keeps me in this "I don't trust Molla" zone

[BBmolla]

@Cheeky

I'll be annoyed. But I get where BB is coming from tbh. There's a bunch of free lynches.

Yeah. I guess for me it’s like we can literally eliminate a couple of these scumreads instead of speculating a whole fuck ton.

But I probably am jumping the gun, the momentum in this game has just come to a close to me.

UNVOTE:

I mostly agree with the common scumreads, so it just feels like people are arguing between lynching my scumread #1 vs #2

But I guess it makes most sense to use the bigger townreads while still alive

Although tbh I don’t see this huge Espy scum reasoning but it’s possible it’s just cause I missed the early game

“Why are you fine going Espy > Hop???”

Cause I trust you guys, and if you’re wrong I trust myself

I'm good to vote Espy unless ya'll have more you want to talk about

I feel like until we do we're going to keep going in circles

VOTE: Espy

bored of this

[BBmolla]

Auro doesn't want to kill me tonight so he keeps me in this "I don't trust Molla" zone

If cheeky is the UT and is dying tonight shading you now would make it easier to pivot to you tomorrow if he needed to.

yes that's exactly what I'm saying.

[BBmolla]

If I *did* coach him, it would be to look generically townier than FF/Gobbles/you without necessarily bussing me.

I disagree

I think you coached him to bus you because you think he's a weak player, you know his votes on you wouldn't do shit because nobody gives him merit. You've kept him in the nullzone all game to avoid actually lynching him, and now that things look really fucking bad you faked a hammer to try to fake a town reaction and then insisted it was super town when it really wasn't

like, it makes SO much fucking sense

[BBmolla]

BB, why are you town reading FF

please give me something more than "the way that the wagons were"

Assume I'm town and then read the page where FF gives his views on me

I though that whole thing came across super fucking town

But I mean that's how it's been this whole day, I'm like "hm should I doubt the FF read" and then he comes in and posts shit that is exactly what I'm thinking and I'm like "nah"

[BBmolla]

For me the solve is Dann > Auro/Dong

Yes, I have you as scum and if you arent then its in them. You get how a poe works right. If someone gets cleared i still have the same number of scum to out.

FF can you talk about why you townread gobbles and BB?

Gobbles is a meta read that I outed a hydra to solidify. Gob, think about the games you played with Mordhaus, does my opinion of you make more sense now.

Molla swung wagons away from me, after i pushed him. Scum him doesnt do that.

Auro are you just trying to make it seem like every slot is now back on the chopping block? I think that at some point town has to find whatever town block they can and try to work with that block. I talk about leaps of faith a lot, and I have mentioned in prior games that I fully subscribe to the Jingle method of playing games at the end of the cycle. I figure out who I would want to lose to the least and then work with them to take out the people who i really really hope are scum.

Basically if molla or cheeky are scum I wont be the one lynching the,m.

^like even these two posts alone

[BBmolla]

I can try to get Titus/Math to give you a more logical reason or something, but I just don't see the scum agenda

And if FF is scum I figure we can get the buddy anyway

I REALLY think it's Auro/Dong atm

[BBmolla]

I REALLY think it's Auro/Dong atm

If you're 100% sure, lynch, and let me dictate the lynch tomorrow.

who are you gonna lynch

[BBmolla]

if Dong is town, who do you lynch tomorrow? FF?

[BBmolla]

Auro why are you ignoring Nancy's read on Dong?

[BBmolla]

Where the fuck is Turkey whenever I'm here fuck

[BBmolla]

I might be okay with that tbh?

[BBmolla]

I don't like Gobbles postcount

If Dong is town, Gobbles is probably one of the scumteam

Dann/Auro I guess is a possible team but if so ya'll deserve the victory probably

I don't like you setting up for tomorrow though

Can you just like stop being a fucking scumfuck Auro

[BBmolla]

Why are you even convinced I could fake all I've posted

[BBmolla]

Like, I'll try to be clear, I've had some okay games as scum, I'm not beyond terrible, but I have limits, and the posting in this game is beyond what I could fake

[BBmolla]

As I said, I'm locking your potential trajectories if you're scum. Calling me a PoE scumread and then partners with all but 2 of the other slots, though... that's scummy.

if you say so

how is doing that optimal for me as scum?

[BBmolla]

Like, I'll try to be clear, I've had some okay games as scum, I'm not beyond terrible, but I have limits, and the posting in this game is beyond what I could fake

Point me to either the specific posts or progressions.
Your bar for faking is high by virtue of your reputation as a scum player.

I'm like genuinely curious what you've heard, like names, who has told you I'm good and why

[BBmolla]

How does the FF townread benefit me unless me and you are scum

[BBmolla]

Like if you're saying I'm scum, that's a conscious choice right? Why do I choose to townread someone most everyone else thinks is scum? To what benefit is that

[BBmolla]

I REALLY think it's Auro/Dong atm

If you're 100% sure, lynch, and let me dictate the lynch tomorrow.

Wait a second. Has dong not been hammered? I'm very confused right now.

It was a fake out. Dong is at L-1.

[BBmolla]

Like, I'll try to be clear, I've had some okay games as scum, I'm not beyond terrible, but I have limits, and the posting in this game is beyond what I could fake

Point me to either the specific posts or progressions.
Your bar for faking is high by virtue of your reputation as a scum player.

I'm like genuinely curious what you've heard, like names, who has told you I'm good and why

Names, Auro

[BBmolla]

Agrh

I wish I could show you that game

Because we had back to back lynches, like, literally 5 lynches in maybe 10 pages.

Then we slowed down

But my strategy was so so so different than here, I charmed everyone to the point that they thought I was town

Is that all you're basing it off of?

[BBmolla]

Here, I compare that game to this one:

We Didn't Playtest This

Similar feeling. I was scum, but I fake claimed miller d1 and felt very confident in the game so I came across as town, I donno just read some of my posts there

Let's compare to some more recent games

Micro 851: Baby Too Much Scum
MAFIACEPTION

and like, I'm not picking and choosing, these are the two most recent complete scum games I believe, every other one I replaced out of I believe

[BBmolla]

not because I was scum but because I've had troubles keeping around on the site last couple of years due to life

[BBmolla]

I'm bad?

[BBmolla]

I'm really putting my heart and soul into this game, I've had so many town losses lately, it'd be really fucking nice to get a W

like, scum losses are whatever, you can't get mad, you were scum, getting lynched is almost expected. cause you're lying and you get caught.

it's demoralizing to lose so much as town cause it literally just means I'm bad

I just really want to win, I really think it's Dong, and if I'm wrong I'm going to give 110% to solve this fucking game in LYLO, but I gotta be real it'd be real nice if we won with a Dong lynch.

All I know is if Dong doesn't go today, it'd be super painful to either lose to them in LYLO (if they're scum and don't get lynched) or mislynch them in LYLO.

[BBmolla]

Genuinely why does my opinion about a game that doesn't exist anymore mean more to you than games that do

[BBmolla]

Whoa. What's up with that AtE BB?

I'm legit just tired

and frustrated

[BBmolla]

I’m driving so bare with me. That my team and I think if the game doesn’t end today with the correct lynch then we agree I’m probably getting turbo lynched in LyLo.

So I’ve been trying to slow down today to see people’s moves and what not and I’ve been trying to get my team to pay more attention to this game but they have been really busy irl since I got un-busy irl

I think I’m happy with Cheeky town after meta diving your scum games. I’m also happy with BBmolla for wagon stuff from Day 1. Same with Fish. That said I wish BBmolla and Fish were here more today to help parse the game

As I interact with Auro I think I realize that even if he is scum he would not make the type of logical inconsistencies that most scum normally make and it’s lessening my preference on him.

My issue is that I cannot square away little things today with Auro that look disingenuous like his reaction over the Fish VLA or the multiple times I was confused by NSG/FF comment

Let’s wait until Fish comes back..?

I don't get how your question about Hopkirk helps. What was the point of it?

If I was scum, I would have to be scum with someone who made the Hopkirk wagon happen because that person would have needed to protect me. Otherwise, I would have just gotten lynched when I was VLA. Who would that person be?

Molla was the third vote and I see him as a pretty viable partner to you - is there strong evidence otherwise to that association?

Yes? BBMolla is very likely town given his wagon was the DIRECT counter wagon to NSG’s in the umpteenth hour

I think I’d rather pass a kidney stone than make a decision in this game.

these just all feel town

and I wish I could explain it further but that's how it feels

in terms of statistics, gobbles is scummy for their less posting frequency, which means a lot to gobbles who frequently posts posting graphs to prove people are scum

gobbles why haven't you graphed

[BBmolla]

Like if you could give a case on Dong that would be more effective. Specifically if you could talk about her nsg vote and why she's going for Auro/Dann today instead of you/gobbles/FF who were probably the easiest lynches day start.

NSG vote is for towncred. It doesn't actually give towncred, but I think Dong would think it does. I'm also not 100% confident Dong knew it was a hammer, but regardless that was the lynch we were doing.

Going for Auro to distance cause they're scumbuddies.

[BBmolla]

Town needs cohesion. Espy was a distraction who I didn't particularly townread but lots scumread. We had lynches to spare and I wanted to try to get more unity, their lynch made sense.

[BBmolla]

I'll fully admit the Hopkirk mislynch was my fault

why do you think I'm scummy Cheeky

[BBmolla]

Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy are we doing this

Like honestly if you think I'm scum lynch me, good fucking luck in LYLO, all I know is I don't want to be in LYLO with Dong

[BBmolla]

I'm going to bed

[BBmolla]

Posting from bed

Cheeky I think it’s reasonable that you think my AtE is fake, all I can say is I’m being an open book right now. I REALLY want to win this game.

Everything is genuine and I don’t think I’ll really be able to prove that with words you’ll just have to wait till post game

Also, I don’t have emotional responses in scum games, but I do fake them because I know I get emotional as town, if that makes sense.

[BBmolla]

BB I need more about Dong. Reach into your soul and find it. WIM!

I’ll look into getting something more concrete on Dong for you tomorrow

[BBmolla]

Cheeky if Auro is town I’m just going to instavote Dong tomorrow

You confident that sequence leads to us winning?

[BBmolla]

Maybe I should just let y’all lynch Dann and sit the rest of this day out, I feel like we’re going to lose so I’d rather start to care less so it hurts less

[BBmolla]

BBmolla, you’re scumreading me for my post count?

Graphs gobbles!

[BBmolla]

Cheeky if Auro is town I’m just going to instavote Dong tomorrow

You confident that sequence leads to us winning?

In the event that I'm lynched, I'm currently thinking you should be lynched and not Dong.

cool I really don't care

[BBmolla]

If you honestly think I'm scum at this point you're fucking high bro

[BBmolla]

Where is your disagreement that I'm bad at scum coming from

[BBmolla]

Like at this point it's a huge reason why I think you could be scum, you're willing to believe me when I say I'm great at scum, but then when I provide evidence of the opposite you refuse to believe me

???

Doesn't seem fucking real to me

[BBmolla]

And the fact that you mentioned my reputation yet had ZERO people that you gathered that reputation from

Like it just sounds like you're talking out your fucking ass Auro

[BBmolla]

Auro
Dann
Cheeky
Dong
Molla
FF=Gobbles

Nancy's readslist.

Somehow he's even saltier than me and he's not even in this game.

Nancy gave me permission a few days ago to call everyone gamethrowing WOATs.
I'll paraphrase what she's been discussing in the PT with a few cuts.

Whoever's town is risking gamethrowing and playing poorly. They should feel bad. After your (Auro) flip, Dann will be killed and scum will win, because Dann is 100% conftown after you flip.
Gob is possibly scum, independent of Cheeky.
<3 Dann.
I agree that it's suspicious for FF to ignore his teammate's read.
..
Agree with Dann on Cheeky. There's always paranoia about Dann, he pretty much only started playing a lot townier after BP.
..
Yes, Dann is obvtown since he won't defend you at this point and for his Cheeky read.
I'm almost a 100% sure on that.
.. (Some complaints from me about Cheeky asking for a reads list and saying it's BS that my scumpool has everyone but Dann and Cheeky in it)
I struggle to come up with reads lists in my actual games xD
Gobbles/Molla is unlikely due to VCA, convey that to her.
I think Dann's right about Dong. VCA shows Molla town but less certain.
.. (Reads list that I quoted earlier)
Cheeky opposed NSG wagon and NSG would have told her teammates to bus since she loathes playing scum, this + frustration makes cheeky town. Try reading the posts leading up to NSG lynch, whoever hard opposed could be likely town. No way scum stopped that lynch, if scum knows their teammate is toast they bus them unless their partner has a powerful role.
Why didn't you tell me Dann changed his mind on Don? I don't know then, the above was partially based on his reads.
(Quotes cheeky's post about Nancy's list making me town)
Haha, I can obvtown as town even from outside the game xD
..(I mention the Dong wagon)
Dong's possibly scum, play around NSG looks bad.
Dann and Cheeky are locktown anyway.
Wouldn't clear scummy slots voting him because it could be a bus, scum is surely on his wagon if flips town though

Can you explain how the fuck Nancy's readlist makes any sense here? Dong is "possibly scum" but is townier than me where "VCA shows Molla town but less certain"?

[BBmolla]

Cheeky if Auro is town I’m just going to instavote Dong tomorrow

You confident that sequence leads to us winning?

How will you know Auro is town if we're lynching Dann? I'm still waiting on the Dong reasons from you.

those posts are two seperate thoughts

If you don't think Dong is scummy nothing I say will change your mind, I think their very being is scummy, I think their postcount being less than 3 dead players is scummy, I think people are giving them slack because they seem kind of derpy, they are the most consistent with "lurk till you say something to further your agenda" which I believe scumteams generally have, I hate their entrance to this game, I think the hammer was to get towncred cause they thought it would, I think they knew they weren't hammered and tried to fake a town response

I realize my activity has been shit this game, and i believe thats because i valued the quality of my posts. If you dont mind wading through the shit, this'll be much easier for me.

Over the last couple of pages my reads havent fully changed except kitty is now a confident tr as far as i see it - i havent been able to catch her in a contradiction or a hidden agenda yet.

I'll be focusing on some of formers posts.

bolded is scummy shit to hide fucking scum lurking, the robot posting in this seems scummy "beep boop for my next move, I'll be focusing on some of formers posts"

NSG interactions

these all mean stuff to me but I don't think they do to you

Could I be wrong? sure. But I mean then there is shit like this:

This in my eyes clears 5 people: Hopkirk, Former, Ceph, Kitty and BB.
BB and Former are obvious. If this was a lynch all scum game there might have been some wifom involved, but theres no point in opening up scum counterwagons in a white flag.
Cephrir hasnt been nearly active enough to take control of the discussion, a lurking strategy with your other scummate leading the charge theoretically should work but im not convinced based on his posts.
Kitty is, well, town. Besides that she was consistently posting in lower numbers with arguably more content than any single player which isnt good for controlling the pace of the game.
Hopkirk hasnt had a damn to give the game after d1s lynch, this could mean he tried to change the playstyle to suit the 2 scum playstyle but i think its probably a case for him being town, seeing as scum would want to be more front and center after that to lead lurker mislynches, while hopkirk just became a lurkee himself.

That leaves four people to be scum: Auro, myself, dann and cheeky.

This was days ago, all people within the scumlist are still alive and all the clears were the nightkills. And you can be like "they were universally townread" but for example Ceph wasn't, I fucking know I was thinking they were scum when they died and so was my whole team.

Every time Dong does something weird, like including themselves on their own scumlist, there is Auro talking about it

That leaves four people to be scum: Auro, myself, dann and cheeky.

@Dann: Scum!Dong's plan is what here exactly?

Also while I'm back here

Dann same question

Probably:

Dong > gobble > either Hop or BBmolla; I am undecided and waiting for team input

Hop has gone up in towniness for me but I want to double check I'm not town reading things I shouldn't be

I'm pretty confident in [FF, Cheeky, Auro, Cephrir] being all town

Dann what the fuck happened?

[BBmolla]

Would you rather lynch Auro BB because we can probably CFD that towards EOD.

What is CFD

[BBmolla]

Also like

Auro go ask Nancy about me, I'm sure Nancy will tell you all about my play

[BBmolla]

Between then and now I have stronger reasons to believe both Dong and FF are town.

This is in response to?

[BBmolla]

Molla you're not fine if my "venge" is Gob? You've given quite a few reasons he could be scum for.

if you die and you're town, and then Gobs is lynched and he's town, and then Dong/Deepwolf wins, I will literally cry

I don't have a great answer for why Dong wouldn't be going after Gobbs (except I guess if they're buddies), but FF they think is solidly town.

Lemme breathe and come back.

[BBmolla]

Gobby can you graph

[BBmolla]

The reason my gobbles interactions seem sparse is I have a soft spot for Gobbs so they always seem Town to me.

[BBmolla]

I mean that’s fair I guess. Saddens me tho.

[BBmolla]

:/

[BBmolla]

If you lynch me and I flip town what’s the plan

[BBmolla]

Maybe we should just lynch me to show how shitty/scummy the people randomly turning on me are

[BBmolla]

Dann seems Town that wagon confuses me

Like Auro seems scum over Dann

[BBmolla]

Like it doesn’t matter at this point people are so paranoid and changing their minds whenever someone is run up I’m not fully convinced we can even get a lynch

[BBmolla]

I'm looking forward to Dann reevaluating BB.

Why?

[BBmolla]

1) lurkers are fucking poison to a mafia game

2) and if you think that's me being aggressive you haven't played with me enough

1) Agree but this lurker is a paragon. Again I won't lynch her for what may happen. She will be obvious scum tbh so I'm not concerned about a scum!nsg slipping through my fingers.

2) I was thinking the same thing when dann called me rude lol.

I guess if you had read a little bit more it wouldn't feel like you just latched onto the first explicitly scummy post you saw and then went 'Zomg obv scum.'

When I read through Dong's iso there are a lot of scummy posts, so much so that it seems too scummy to be scum. I think 'surely he would think before posting as scum.' So I'm not sure if he's a generally scummy player as town or if he's just scum here. I kind of need more from you on Dong so I know that your read is legit and you're not just surface level scum hunting as scum.

i like this post a lot I'll trust you on nsg

holy shit what the fuck

didn't BB call this post by cheeky out as scummy af later

The context has changed a little since I made that response post brother

[BBmolla]

If Dann lynch doesn’t end the game we’re literally in the same fucking situation tomorrow

[BBmolla]

I’m here

What the fuck is with everyone suddenly scumreading me when literally NOTHING happened

[BBmolla]

Good thing Dong has been posting frequently to confirm their towniness

[BBmolla]

Dann who do you think is scum

[BBmolla]

Am I scumread now from PoE or are you legit scum reading me off trusting Cheekys bad read on NSG

[BBmolla]

I’m here

What the fuck is with everyone suddenly scumreading me when literally NOTHING happened

uh not everyone haha

just Auro

and kinda me but not entirely

There are only 4 active members of this game anyway so you and Auro makes 50% lmfao

[BBmolla]

Am I scumread now from PoE or are you legit scum reading me off trusting Cheekys bad read on NSG

kinda neither

I'm with you on FF town now, there's that at least.

I can't accept the Auro/Dong team. Who else is scum with Dong fypov?

Gobbles or a Deepwolf