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[Flavor Leaf]

TGP's claim is just so bad if scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Meh, if they’re a scum 1-shot Neighborizer what’s a better claim?

Anything.

Anything is a better claim.

I guess it's I'm a bit biased considering if I was a 1-shot Neighborizer, I would just make something else up instead to try to make the game seem different than it is, so TGP could be true claiming.

I still think it's a bad claim if scum. He could be doing it, though, you're right.

[Flavor Leaf]

UNVOTE: Akarin

Gonna do some stuff later, then ill decide

[Flavor Leaf]

I agree with status agreeing with Norwe, but I've already talked about that

[Flavor Leaf]

For what it's worth, I did not read Ico vs Nancy

[Flavor Leaf]

really.

gun to your head you scream out they're SvS.

[Flavor Leaf]

Looked a lot like theatre. Sometime to file away for later if either of them ever flips red.

im not saying it's impossible, but it's just funny.

[Flavor Leaf]

I guess we just full send one of Zoraster or Akarin.

I'm a little biased towards Zoraster.

[Flavor Leaf]

If you neighborize me, I'll pocket you.

[Flavor Leaf]

If you neighborize me, I'll pocket you.

probably shouldn't neighborize me

[Flavor Leaf]

intent to hammer

[Flavor Leaf]

then why are you purposefully staying off the wagon?

[Flavor Leaf]

Shirou/Nibbui/Volpe14/Bunno whatever you want to call them replaced into my team and caught up to this game and wanted me to share their reads:

Ico is very likely town
Nancy is likely town
TGP is probably town?

Status is above null but I don't think he can't fake his ISO so far
BBMolla is a tid bit above null
Zoraster is slightly above null for the Ceph posting
Mystix is kinda neutral to me (good and bad)
Ramcius confuses me at the moment
Akarin is a bit worse than null

Dr Easy Bake is uninmpressive but it's expected
Flavor is uninimpressive
Pine is uninmpressive

I don't have any scum reads but I do think flips on [Flavor, Pine] would be spicy, [DEB] isn't a complete waste of a lim, and [Akarin] is worth looking at the moment maybe?

I think there's scum in the nulls but I don't have enough to point to anyone. I'm comfortable with my town reads.

Disclaimer from Shirou: "since my reads/yours are quite different, any questions towards those reads should be directed at me if possible, I'll reply to them when I can"

the only times the the words Flavor and unimpressive would ever be in the same sentence is when the words

is not

is in between them.

[Flavor Leaf]

Volpe is probably the type that wants me to be scum, though, if you're town. That last post was me slightly shading the post, but it didn't come across within the playful arrogance.

[Flavor Leaf]

Volpe is probably the type that wants me to be scum, though, if you're town. That last post was me slightly shading the post, but it didn't come across within the playful arrogance.

Actually i think they said something about how they usually ignore 99% of your content and only latch on to one distinct comment and analyze it.

I've only played like 1 game with Volpe, and it was last year's Team Mafia, and they read the majority of my posts because I was in a 1v1 with them.

[Flavor Leaf]

hey usually ignore 99% of your content

exactly. lazy wanting me to be scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Zoraster

Let's move on.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I started to pick up on BBmolla’s thing too.

This is a high power game, y’all, but it’s swingie.

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s the epitome of a NAI claim, while I started to lean town on THP for other reasons, that reasoning is poor.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m going to take a heavier role today probably.

[Flavor Leaf]

it's obviously Norwegian.

[Flavor Leaf]

There’s way too many lurkers, DEB isn’t doing anything. Anyway, it looks like I’m right about Pine since he was against Zor wagon.

We can get info on TGP. He had to neighbourize someone right?

yeah, i did neighborize someone. i'm going to talk with my neighbor on whether i should reveal them right now or not.

^

[Flavor Leaf]

I don't know why you're asking this. Is it necesarry for us to know who he neighborized?

Frankly, yes. But also, I never asked.

[Flavor Leaf]

I thought TGP was also a potential fade yesterday, so I don't think that comment is bad by them, and doesn't warrant shading.

TGP claimed yesterday, so I think it's fair for them to think that they were under pressure, because they were.

[Flavor Leaf]

I thought TGP was also a potential fade yesterday, so I don't think that comment is bad by them, and doesn't warrant shading.

TGP claimed yesterday, so I think it's fair for them to think that they were under pressure, because they were.

Who is this directed to me or TGP because TGP wasn’t a viable counterwagon close to EoD?

I disagree. Votes don't matter, it's momentum.

[Flavor Leaf]

If Norwegian is not the neighborized of TGP, they are the scum team.

[Flavor Leaf]

Then I think you're scum trying to pocket TGP

[Flavor Leaf]

zoraster(5) ~ thestatusquo(193), NorwegianboyEE(183), Mistyx(70), BBMolla(80), Nancy Drew 39(289)

scum is in here, 100% sure, and I'm town reading Nancy, and to a lesser extent Status.

Bbmolla dead.

Norwegian/Mistyx could both be scum here, which explains Mistyx's TvT comment with Nancy/Ico.

[Flavor Leaf]

scum pocket people, why are you asking why would you pocket somebody?

If you have TGP in your corner, that's an extra buffer wall between you and a fade because TGP was more likely to get hit before you.

[Flavor Leaf]

Status, Nancy, Pine, TGP I'm feeling good about right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

Norwegian/Mistyx/Akarin my hero solve.

[Flavor Leaf]

DEB can be in there possibly, Akarin for the wagon.

[Flavor Leaf]

Well when i'm thinking pocket then i usually imagine sucking up for stronger players. And TGP doesn't have much sway most of the time, at least not in this game.

TGP has a vote that is just as strong as anybody else's.

It's the little buddy pocket.

[Flavor Leaf]

Norwegian/Mistyx/Akarin my hero solve.

Yes that's exactly why i'm voting them right now, because they are my scum partner.
You're good at this.

alright, this is a TMI on Akarin town then.

VOTE: Norwegian

[Flavor Leaf]

Pressure Norwegian

[Flavor Leaf]

FL. You're hard to read so i'll just ignore this push from you and hope that Ico and Nancy will see it for how bad it truly is.

it's not bad. even if you end up being town, this is a surface level comment.

[Flavor Leaf]

Norwegian is shading me to shut down my momentum

[Flavor Leaf]

@FLavour
No. It's ignoring. Big difference.
You could be town or scum, i just don't care atm because i want to solve you later.

I disagree. This has nothing to do with your solving. I'm pushing you to help ME solve, which you are completely shutting down

[Flavor Leaf]

@FLavour
No. It's ignoring. Big difference.
You could be town or scum, i just don't care atm because i want to solve you later.

I disagree. This has nothing to do with your solving. I'm pushing you to help ME solve, which you are completely shutting down

How am i shutting it down? I'm only defending myself.
Are you saying i should be glad and willingly help you make the game eliminate me because it helps you solve?

No, you're saying you're ignoring

[Flavor Leaf]

Norwegian's also been positioning me in a complete fence sit majority of the game. Started after I started getting town read. Sure, I get it, but like, it seems they're purposefully positioning me.

[Flavor Leaf]

A la, scum!ABR hiding behind Flavour Leaf's god awful takes on the game back in Large 230.

I had 2 out of 3 scum there, and scum was triple hyena'ing me.

That game proved scum loses if they misfade me like that.

[Flavor Leaf]

rough rough grrr grr bark hiss bark grrr

[Flavor Leaf]

basically, it's when multiple scum are interacting with a specific player.

Gamma and a partner were hard 1v2ing me in that game, and then ABR was hard town reading me there, and that Day 1 was completely me in the focal point.

It happened again in Tenet.

If I am ever misfaded Day 1, SHEEP MY READS.

[Flavor Leaf]

Should we talk more about anime then?

Dr Stone real hot right now, not gonna lie.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm a little further ahead in Attack on Titan from it being one of the only Manga I read, but it might be catching up to where I'm at currently, but I need to finish season 3 still, but I probably will just join in when the last half of season 4 starts to air.

Jujutsu Kaisen I think is gonna be a mega mega hit, but it's been a bit harder for me to get into.

Demon Slayer is less for me than Dr Stone personally, but I'm starting to think the Visual side of things isn't always gonna be hype for me. I need more fun story.

Black Clover is hype, but it's weekly, so there's just so much, but I think it's a love letter to the shounen of early 2k's that all ran weekly, I see a lot of naruto/one piece/bleach inspiration from there.

[Flavor Leaf]

think FL push on norwee is also bad but not scum bad

this is just you looking at the surface level then

[Flavor Leaf]

like, i dont think pointing out something disassociating norwee with akarin is TMI on norwee's end

it seems like a reasonable response to FL saying they're in a team

oh, you're hanging up on that.

Yeah, that's barely anything

[Flavor Leaf]

i'm like way past that at this point, that was an in the moment type thing.

[Flavor Leaf]

how is it dumb lol?

[Flavor Leaf]

It's completely valid

[Flavor Leaf]

This wagon on me has got to be the most braindead thing possible.

poor discredit attempt. ^

[Flavor Leaf]

well, it's a good scum discredit attempt, but Norwegian's scum here

[Flavor Leaf]

i don't think you are mad, I think you are just saying you are mad

[Flavor Leaf]

i thought that before you said that too, so that's interesting self meta

[Flavor Leaf]

i don't think you are mad, I think you are just saying you are mad

could be scum mad for being pushed for what they think is bad reasons

[Flavor Leaf]

exactly

[Flavor Leaf]

seems like a you problem now

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm barely even pushing you, and I know exactly why

[Flavor Leaf]

VCA, political reads, overreaction to a barely push, general gamestate.

[Flavor Leaf]

could you be town? Sure, but right now, you're the one that I want hoo hoo hoo.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ok, when i flip town what's next for you?

Hmm....probably TGP or Ramcius.

[Flavor Leaf]

Maybe Ico or Mistyx

[Flavor Leaf]

Akarin or DEB seem fine too

[Flavor Leaf]

but yeah, probably one of those 6

[Flavor Leaf]

you new?

That's like pretty classic me.

[Flavor Leaf]

And has lead me to multiple hero solves.

You're trying hard to discredit me right now, so I really don't think it will come to that 6 person POE.

I make pools and solve within pools.

[Flavor Leaf]

yeah, but you're talking at me with simple discredits, none of which make me believe you in any sense

[Flavor Leaf]

That's not what I'm saying at all.

I'm more calling out the actions I see you taking to insure you don't get wagoned harder.

I don't think your posts are bad, I even specifically said it was good scum discredit, but yeah

I havent said reaction testing this day phase either.

And if I have multiple reasons there, then how is that robotic or "entire push boils down to"

[Flavor Leaf]

yep in my iso

[Flavor Leaf]

dont be lazy and act like i havent already explained it

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm really not that hard to read.

i feel like im obvious town here

[Flavor Leaf]

I like DEB's list except for the Nancy one, but he was voting Nancy day 1 too

[Flavor Leaf]

Suffice to say, I do not like that list, but frankly, it's a bit biased, as I do think it's possible there is 2 town in that list. I just don't see both Norwee and Mistyx as town

[Flavor Leaf]

I struggle to stay interested in this game, which I think is indicative of scum making sure I don't dive deep by way of their posting

[Flavor Leaf]

I could see Pine trying to pocket me I guess.

I'm fine with seeing what a Pine wagon do

[Flavor Leaf]

Norwegian one stopped at Ramcius and I and the DEB counterwagon stalled the momentum, so I still think Norwegian is scum. Status could be distracting away from them, but I kind of like the push there by Status.

[Flavor Leaf]

i dont remember alts or hydras tbh

[Flavor Leaf]

i feel like ive played with churros, but cant think of if i have or not

[Flavor Leaf]

[quote="In post 1781, NorwegianboyEE"][/quote]


disagree.

[Flavor Leaf]

like honestly, that's some surface level response there Norwegian

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s the epitome of a NAI claim, while I started to lean town on THP for other reasons, that reasoning is poor.

Btw i was looking at your ISO and curious if this conclusion is because you have read the previous Anime TM game, or is the read independent of that?

i dont really read games im not in

[Flavor Leaf]

you are one of the scummy slots.

[Flavor Leaf]

wagonomics, agenda, positioning

I think you are the most objectively scummy slot in the game. This does not mean you are scum

[Flavor Leaf]

Nancy your hottest thoughts on FL?

dont put Nancy on the spot like this with this wording

[Flavor Leaf]

damn full valentines day expenses paid

[Flavor Leaf]

joats are for fluff balancing

[Flavor Leaf]

mistyx getting pinged by Norwegian makes me think I could be wrong.

[Flavor Leaf]

was trying to pull the night kill

[Flavor Leaf]

yeah, there probably is a scum JOAT.

You should know by now that if I was a Scum JOAT, I would not be crumbing JOAT.

I don't claim my real role as scum usually.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don't really understand what the scum team is doing this game if Norwegian isn't scum here

[Flavor Leaf]

This feels borderline role fishing, but i am definitely tunneled at this point, and im annoying myself now anyways, but im just calling it like i see it. been kinda not mentally all here this game for a few days.

[Flavor Leaf]

for what it's worth, I have reason to believe zoraster's claim is real, even if they are scum.

@Norwee, how is this a crumb?

I was trying to act like a PR there, so I don't hate the idea behind it, but I think it's possibly Norwegian trying to get another town PR dead.

Norwegian just feels like they're feeling the WIFOM I've been throwing to the scum team.

[Flavor Leaf]

why would i be afraid to claim JOAT here.

I legit almost even fake claimed it here as town when you asked.

[Flavor Leaf]

feels like youre trying to do whatever you can to get rid of me right now

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, you can tell I'm town here by the sheer lack of pawns I would have.

Also, as scum, I could have just waited for DEB to hammer Zoraster to get town cred for staying off.

Idk, I just think it's blatantly obvious I'm town here, people just wanna be paranoid of me because they dont understand me

[Flavor Leaf]

you're making a case, but that's casing what I do as town, Norwegian, not what I do as scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

You didn’t read TM20 as evidenced by post 1792.

You didn’t know there would be more than one town JOAT so you might have crumbed it here. There is no reason at all for you to crumb unless you are a JOAT. And i don’t buy there are 3 town JOATS when 2 powerful ones has already flipped.
I’m thinking you could be scum that slipped up.
Trying to take the nightkill sounds like a bloody excuse.

I don't claim JOAT as a scum JOAT, sorry, it's just a flawed case. It's a pretty good case, for what it's worth, but yeah

Nancy and Mystyx can both confirm to you that I never claim my real role as scum.

Is anyone Mastina's partner here? Ask Mastina if I claim my real role as scum ever.

[Flavor Leaf]

lack of coherent discussion that progress the game

another thing that isnt usually absent from my scum games.

[Flavor Leaf]

So with those reads, Norwegian, and the knowledge that I'm town, what part of why I think you are scum do you not understand here?

[Flavor Leaf]

nobody but you thinks it's in bad faith

[Flavor Leaf]

it's not a bad case, like i said before, i just know it's wrong

[Flavor Leaf]

your reply 3 is flawed because any time I've scum slipped, it's been because I talked in a neighborhood.

Both of my big scum slips, of which there aren't that many in my 7 years here, so I actually have an incredibly low slip rate, mind you, have been because I talked in my neighborhood instead of my scum pt.

Claim related reasoning is just kinda wrong here.

[Flavor Leaf]

DEB should be seeing that I'm town here by now, and Nancy sees that I'm town. the 2 players who know me the best here.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don't know, dude. I haven't really done shit this game, I dont know how you can scum read me here based on actions like that.

[Flavor Leaf]

if you're able to case me day 2, that's a confirmation that I'm town tbh

[Flavor Leaf]

Reply 3: I recommend you to read Mini Normal 2124 as an example. scum!FL did a dumb claim that not only exposed him, but also associated himself with his partner in later days. Churros, which was a Shirou's alt, instantly caught him upon replacing-in, merely looking in the claim.

Just because something doesn't work out, doesn't mean it's a dumb claim.

[Flavor Leaf]

i dont even know who shirou is.

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh, is it Shiro?

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm barely pushing you, get over it

[Flavor Leaf]

so damn sensitive to getting even a tiny bit of pressure, hot damn

[Flavor Leaf]

By the way FL.
Shirou wanted me to tell you that if you aren’t scum, to consider stopping pushing me or to look at Ramcius/Pine because they don't think those are slots that should be town read. They also think that although you throw around Akarin name very much, you don't seem serious about solving their slot.

i dont remember a single time throwing around Akarin, so yeah, i'm not.

they're not posting

i know they're there, but theyre more of a blank slot for me and im definitely thinking over them wagonomically, but as a player and what theyve said? yeah, no, i dont really care right now

[Flavor Leaf]

Shirou/Churros/Nibbui/Volpe14/Bunno
You name it

oh, ive played one game with Volpe, it was team mafia. easy person to handle for me, that game really got lucky i slipped, tbh, haha.

I still almost got out of that slip too, but A50 did work.

[Flavor Leaf]

They also added that your recent replies are slimey and make them face palm.

No arguments here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Do you not know I'm a pretentious dick?

[Flavor Leaf]

Volpe wouldn't know how to town read me if the mod whispered it into his ears 30 days a year for the next 3 years.

[Flavor Leaf]

i dont think ive ever been town against them

[Flavor Leaf]

for what it's worth, I have reason to believe zoraster's claim is real, even if they are scum.

@Norwee, how is this a crumb?

I was trying to act like a PR there, so I don't hate the idea behind it, but I think it's possibly Norwegian trying to get another town PR dead.

Norwegian just feels like they're feeling the WIFOM I've been throwing to the scum team.

how does one push scum!FL in a game?
anyone care to enlighten me?

get my partners first.

[Flavor Leaf]

ive only ever lost like one scum game where i was the first one dead

[Flavor Leaf]

They also added that your recent replies are slimey and make them face palm.

No arguments here.

He doesn't think your replies are very AI, he just wants you to do something else than keep repeating/shading our slot and is disappointed that the point is not getting across.

Nah, I'm purposefully keeping you in a box right now because I think you have high scum equity, and are trying to both take care of the Flavor Leaf problem, and take control of the game.

And now part of me thinks Volpe just has some major inside thing going on that makes him want me dead

[Flavor Leaf]

like ive interacted with Volpe in 1 game and it was for like a single day phase, lol

[Flavor Leaf]

Not everybody sucks at reading me.

i think ur town, and that you are in a scumpocket

it's not my pocket, i will tell you fucking that

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, you can tell I'm town here by the sheer lack of pawns I would have.

lack of pawns? are you serious?

why would you need pawns if you have Queen Nancy working for you?

Nancy is a really bad pocket for me as scum, she's one of the only people on site who can consistently catch me as scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Well, one scum in Ico/Norwegian confirmed.

[Flavor Leaf]

ive only ever lost like one scum game where i was the first one dead

might as well be talking about a summer bar drinking a nice gin and tonic

that's how AI this post is

yeah, you right.

im just too much of a god scum, cant ever town read it

[Flavor Leaf]

but it's layed on really thick that FL has additional information about the setup here

im just good lol

[Flavor Leaf]

i think i need to bust the ego mode out for this one

ive been trying to just stay low and try to make it to end game so i can do a hero solve, but looks like these fools gonna get me night killed

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, you can tell I'm town here by the sheer lack of pawns I would have.

lack of pawns? are you serious?

why would you need pawns if you have Queen Nancy working for you?

Nancy is a really bad pocket for me as scum, she's one of the only people on site who can consistently catch me as scum.

I actually think you’re giving me too much credit here but it’s blatantly obvious that this push on you is bad.

now you should know how i feel when you say i should be town reading you in games

[Flavor Leaf]

Why doesn’t it make sense? Nothing about that points to him being scum here

there's a lot of little things pointing to scum!FL in this game Nancy

if you wanna talk about it let me know

I think you’re wrong but you voted me D1, so not exactly trusting your judgement on that but tell me your theory. I’m not seeing it. Why does scum!FL defend Ram? That’s not what my experience with scum!FL is.

I townread you at this point. I also think your reads are off at this point, but i'm aware that it might be me who's reads are off as well. I'd love to settle that tho.

My FL!scumpings aren't coming from that line he dropped, or the Ram engagements. They are totally unrelated to any of that

i mean, you're scum or omgus tunneled onto me after i pushed you.

if the latter, then Norwegian is scum.

either way, you two both just have your weaknesses handling pressure on you showing

[Flavor Leaf]

there's a non zero chance they said to each other "let's take on FL! Show them we can be good scum too!"

props to you guys if that's what you're doing

[Flavor Leaf]

absolutely guarantee you that if i were scum here with you town, you were dead already after that Day 1 crumb and your reputation

this shows your lack of knowledge of the "reputation"

the day 1 crumb is specifically why i wouldn't have been shot

[Flavor Leaf]

I do things to win as scum, not for lulls.

Do you really not know how much I have to win? But I'm a jester type, the lulls will come, but I don't do things for no reason.

[Flavor Leaf]

Flava fever to the max on whichever of you is town

[Flavor Leaf]

Nancy's literally seen me be able to pull every single string behind the scenes because of how much I have, she's seen how I solve as town, she knows how bad it hits me if I lose.

@DEB - you would know best too, am I okay losing?

[Flavor Leaf]

It feels like scum legit think I've been scummy or bad town, so they're pushing me, and now they're finding out what happens when you try to misfade me.

I felt it on Day 1 even that people were wanting to push me, i didn't know where from, but the scum team was clearly intimidated by me.

i felt the energy of it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nancy's literally seen me be able to pull every single string behind the scenes because of how much I have, she's seen how I solve as town, she knows how bad it hits me if I lose.

@DEB - you would know best too, am I okay losing?

if ur town, then talk to me about why i'm wrong?

anything other then 'i would do x or y as scum or town'?

alright, give me a reason that isn't something from my town meta.

you're just placing me into the narrative and convincing yourself it's true if you're town. I'm just doing stuff, I'm not really thinking about it.

I do think about stuff as scum, would you like to see some of my scum PT's? I personally think I'm the biggest try hard scum on this site.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nancy's literally seen me be able to pull every single string behind the scenes because of how much I have, she's seen how I solve as town, she knows how bad it hits me if I lose.

@DEB - you would know best too, am I okay losing?

i haven't, i think
or it's been a good while

why should i or anyone else townread you, because you said it yourself: you think you should be townread here. Why?

Frankly, I just would be dominating this game more if I were scum here.

No offense, but this would be a rather easy playerlist for me to get around based on the fact not many of the players here know me.

I thrive in those situations. I guess it's a bit different because of Team Mafia.

I feel like it doesn't make sense for me as scum to not let DEB hammer Zoraster yesterday, that's a pretty big one.

I was the first person to back away from pushing Zoraster after he claimed.

I did have a heavy hand with the Akarin wagon.

I had a strong town read on BBmolla, and BBmolla wouldn't have pushed me until a scum died because he wouldn't wanna deal with pushing me until a full case was there, so that Night kill makes no sense from me.

what else you need, Ico?

I feel it's insanely obvious I am not controlling this game

[Flavor Leaf]

Status obviously fell for the trick in that game.

Boonskiies was my village idiot account, but I had so many town solves on Boonskiies, and a 2 year scum undefeated streak. as a relative newbie too.

Good times.

[Flavor Leaf]

I standby the Pine/Nancy/Flavor town block.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL, what's the bullet point case you have on scum!norwee?

I wanted to push someone on the first half of the zoraster wagon.

He was setting up to push me.

his TGP reasoning looks like a TGP pocket attempt and the reasoning for the read itself was poor.

his reads look fabricated/political.

he was trying to take control of the game.

He was overdefensive when I was barely pushing him.


Could I see him being stubborn enough to do this as town? Yeah, it's really a coinflip for me right now, tbh, but 50/50 odds are still better than the majority of my other reads right now, and this has been the kind of level i've been at, which is why I think this whole thing is a huge overreaction, and could be scum trying to find ways to come after me. Scum absolutely need to deal with me, and I guarantee you scum thought I was baiting the Night Kill, because I was.

I WIFOM scum teams. It's what I do.

[Flavor Leaf]

absolutely zero reason for Pine to defend me the way he did.

I have literally caught Pine as scum, probably multiple times, been a minute, but yeah, he also saw me hard solve the last time I played with him, so I think it's town indicative that Pine defended me where he did Day 1, and I said that yesterday.

I also said I could be pocketed.

I feel like Pine is a potential compromise wagon too, and I think that's town indicative as well.

[Flavor Leaf]

alternatively, I could be pocketed by Pine.

I don't think it's Nancy, but like, if she's scum, I'll be dead before I'm able to case her, and she doesn't really have a reason to defend me here either as scum.

Like, I guess, I could be pocketed there, but the way I'm being pushed, and thereafter defended, I really don't think they're scum

[Flavor Leaf]

doesn't mean you're right not to scum read Norwee.

I also specifically stated it was a coinflip, so im not even convinced, so it is 100% confirmed you are asking for things that you know aren't available in the game right now

[Flavor Leaf]

My reads are basicly the opposite of yours and FL, so it's not easy seeing you both as town here.

so why is this okay for you to say this, but not okay for me to say the same thing about you and Norwee?

[Flavor Leaf]

disagree, the defense of me in that scenario is very townie

[Flavor Leaf]

my push is better than your push, idk why you still trying to act like there's nothing

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If he is town then he is at best severely misguided and ego tripping and i’m not sure why you’re not addressing that.

she knows i can flip my reads on a dime, and you're acting like I'm calling you lock scum.

You're just completely overreacting, and Ico, if town, is only looking at a thin surface layer and is OMGUS tunneled from when I pushed them yesterday

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zoraster(7) ~ thestatusquo(194), NorwegianboyEE(190), Mistyx(70), BBMolla(80), Nancy Drew 39(316), Iconeum(207), Flavor Leaf(217) -- HAMMER

assuming scum on-wagon and using my previous assumptions, mistyx is the only one that sticks out here

that's because you're actively looking to not have a few others stick out.

I could have been off this wagon, but I hammered instead of DEB.

I also used this as one of the reasons for Norwegian scum, which you ignored, but now are looking into this same thing?

okay.

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zoraster(5) ~ thestatusquo(193), NorwegianboyEE(183), Mistyx(70), BBMolla(80), Nancy Drew 39(289)

scum is in here, 100% sure, and I'm town reading Nancy, and to a lesser extent Status.

Bbmolla dead.

Norwegian/Mistyx could both be scum here, which explains Mistyx's TvT comment with Nancy/Ico.

@Flavor:

Why are you 100% sure scum must be on-wagon? Zor wagon felt town-apathy-driven to me.

i believe it was meant to feel that way, yes.

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my push is better than your push, idk why you still trying to act like there's nothing

This is also why you are an incredibly difficult person to deal with and should reconsider if town.
You're not attempting to solve me using logic, you are only doing all you can to shout harder until you get things your way.

so

you said I'm not a logical player, why does that matter?

More than 1 way to play mafia, and I change my playstyle up almost every game

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You're not even lockscum FL, Shirou has insisted on my chat that even though they are at least 60% sure you could be scum here for aforementioned reasons. They also have been considering that you could be town making pro-scum moves and making it very difficult for our slot right now, and that is why we desire you to back off from our slot for at least a while just to show that you have thoughts other than your incessant push on us and it's not just an agenda to flip us at all costs, which will forever put us on the defensive and is a very good gamestate for scum as we already know our alignment and know that we are town that should never even have been considered as an flip in the first place considering there are so many objectively worse slots.

overreaction

quit focusing on this, and that's what stops it.

you're obsessed with this non existent push.

i was barely pushing you.

ill shade you, sure, but you deserve to be shaded

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honestly, even if Norwegian is town, theyre probably gonna cause a loss.

they want me to push them, and frankly, im about to actually push them because I'm done with their overreactionary ass

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i'm pretty fine with Mistyx's content

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My teammates are telling me that this is the most boring TM game btw.

im telling you, scum are legit just intimidated by me right now

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i know when im being attacked by the betas

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i cant see it, my eyes haven't adjusted to the dark, but i can feel the hits coming

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you are

get over it, someone scum read you, boo freaking hoo

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i didnt even push you. i only really gave reasons when people asked, and i was just shading you cuz your obnoxious

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and now, you've been trying to act like im stopping you from solving? get out of here, you caused all of this, you are distracting me at this point, and for that, frankly, you can die for all i care. you're a coin flip, i like those odds, better than the ones I usually roll with

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it should be quite obvious to everyone that you are the problem here, and should really stop trying to make me stoop down to your level by complaining about how i'm intimidated by you or whatever kind of nonsense nobody cares to hear.

No, I'm the dick here.

there's a difference.

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i give zero fucks about being the dick, on a game level, you are inherently wrong

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it should be quite obvious to everyone that you are the problem here, and should really stop trying to make me stoop down to your level by complaining

about how i'm intimidated by you

or whatever kind of nonsense nobody cares to hear.

I never said you.

I said scum is hitting me and intimidated you. I specifically never said you.

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that's a scum slip.

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it should be quite obvious to everyone that you are the problem here, and should really stop trying to make me stoop down to your level by complaining

about how i'm intimidated by you

or whatever kind of nonsense nobody cares to hear.

I never said you.

I said scum is hitting me and intimidated you. I specifically never said you.

not you *

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that's a scum slip.

no

this post just pisses me off.

like let him fucking post mistyx. i'm obviously not going to fucking push that as a main reason.

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Is this level of spam really necessary FL.

ive passed the point of caring

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Is this level of spam really necessary FL.

what another fucking discredit attempt

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yet freaks out over a tiny tiny bit of pressure

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oversensitive again

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can't comprehend their own poor play

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doubt it

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nah, you're wrong, and you've made me lose complete interest in this game, so i will continue shading you because you are town who's gonna lose the game for town, or scum

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like if you're scum, you're doing exactly what you should be doing, and you're working my emotions.

that's fine.

but doesn't change the fact, I'm right that scum are being intimidated by me right now

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i'm like 80% sure I have a hydra in some fashion with Ramcius, but I could be wrong

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@Flavour Leaf

My teammate Jjh927 would like to know whether your team supports this current line of thinking you have. He would also like to add that he hasn't read the game.

my teammates will trust me to play the game how I want to play it, yes.

JJh would probably see here im just a dick not scum, tbh

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Auro told me that if I wanted him to read the game, he would

they do think DEB's posting has been nothing but shitpost, but they respect that I can read him pretty well since I know him.

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i'm like 80% sure I have a hydra in some fashion with Ramcius, but I could be wrong

3 musketeers, you, me, Nero and Rooster I think

Rooster?

yeah, the 4 of us were the 3 musketeers hydra

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1)I can tell you that in The Shape of Water, scum!Bulge deathtunnelled me all game. Of course it didn’t work.

2) In Boon uPick, scum!Titus kept telling me and (3p scum!chk) to “to let the thread breathe”.

i feel like i should definitely remember these

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they will correctly town read me or incorrectly scum read me

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my initial reaction that was "that's super townie!" but then im like, oh wait, scum Mistyx would mean that's a pretty hard thing to actually push genuinely, so that's like the epitome of where I'm at with Mistyx this whole game

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i also know that my teammates will read the game if I ask them too as well, but nobody's paying attention on their own, a quick glance every now and then maybe, like the DEB call out I mentioned, but other than that

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yeah, i'm more comfortable with Ico lately too

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i'm aware everyone's supposed to be bad at reading flavor but the way he's played this game reminds me far far more of his scumgames than the town games i've seen him play (as pretentious or april ludgate)
specifically, he's kinda more chill and less openly manipulative and it makes me think he's scum here

i am most definitely not chill this game

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blatantly obvious scum's pushing me somewhere

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I'm an investigative with a soft clear on status.

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y'all wanna move on?

bbmolla likely doc'd me last night

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i'm aware everyone's supposed to be bad at reading flavor but the way he's played this game reminds me far far more of his scumgames than the town games i've seen him play (as pretentious or april ludgate)
specifically, he's kinda more chill and less openly manipulative and it makes me think he's scum here

this game has not been my priority.

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like honestly, i dont give a fuck at this point.

if you think i'm scum here, y'all hopeless

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i dont give a fuck ico

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do whatever the fuck you guys want

i quit

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you're gaslighting, ive gave my reasons for multiple slots in this game

i dont care anymore

end me

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like honestly, i dont give a fuck at this point.

if you think i'm scum here, y'all hopeless

this is on you, FL, not the rest of us.

If ur town here, you literally need to step up and do *something*? Do you even have a scumread or PoE that makes sense and does not include 6 players?

nope dont care

im town

do what you will with that

done

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I'm an investigative with a soft clear on status.

Fuck...you just...had to do this just as I was defending you again.

Explain, please.

im lying

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im tilted.

ive just been in a salty mood since i started league again lolololol

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Ico, you're just fucking wrong on norwegian

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pine is so blatantly obvious town here.

he never defends me as scum here, like come on

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probably

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but guess what

my scum meta is that im ultra consistent, almost too consistent so dont care

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(as pretentious or april ludgate)

these are my alts with their own playstyles

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I still think BBmolla was killed so scum could come after me without them and I pairing up

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scaredy cat