VOTE: xolfelf
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.hood themed game, doesn't roll neighbor
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is that all u have to say?In post 13, Ydrasse wrote: Hi-
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how about teammates
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its the towniest thing posted in this thread so far, which is not saying muchIn post 23, Shirou wrote:
I would say it's also cringe for you to think that's towny coming from meIn post 20, DkKoba wrote: towny but cringe
but welp, I do admit I'm over the top
I claim guilty, dear judge Koba-
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which teammate fed you this read?
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because i know half your team sucks at reading meIn post 30, Shirou wrote: Why are you assuming someone fed me it?-
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what do you hope to get out of voting me?
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what exactly made you see me as scum in that game?In post 36, Shirou wrote:
Well but I don't, I had you as almost confirmed scum in the last TM (correctly) while people that supposedly knew you kept defending you for some meta BS or somethingIn post 31, DkKoba wrote:
because i know half your team sucks at reading meIn post 30, Shirou wrote: Why are you assuming someone fed me it?
I'm not bragging this time though, could have been a complete coicidence. I just also don't like the immediate attempt at discrediting me/my team.
Then to clarify, no one has commented about you at all in the discord.
and yes its my standard MO to discred people who have a wrong read on me, esp if i think they chronically do. and saying you found me as scum once means nothing(no offense) because there are plenty out there who just bin me as scum regardless of alignment over playstyle. I do better without having to constantly defend myself and able to do active work.
all you have is that you and I are the only 2 really willing to play - I am still binning you as town + I advise that you sort by town and not try to be a hero bc you don't find me as scum by normal metrics and are just playing roulette.
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boring but also whateverIn post 38, Ausuka wrote:I'm standing in solidarity with my bestie Shirou
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i find this incredibly difficult to believe, unless you mean since the game thread was opened.In post 36, Shirou wrote:
Well but I don't, I had you as almost confirmed scum in the last TM (correctly) while people that supposedly knew you kept defending you for some meta BS or somethingIn post 31, DkKoba wrote:
because i know half your team sucks at reading meIn post 30, Shirou wrote: Why are you assuming someone fed me it?
I'm not bragging this time though, could have been a complete coicidence. I just also don't like the immediate attempt at discrediting me/my team.
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oh mastina is a chronic misreader of me, if she reads me as scum im basically conftown >:)-
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jingle told me i would butt heads with u likely and that if we were able to work with eachother it would be good so so far plan is not going well );-
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its pretty easy for me and she still doesnt know what the difference it ;DIn post 48, Shirou wrote: I think I know Mastina more than she knows me to be precise
I don't think we played too many games together but I've replaced her in a game before and have read old games she was in as well
She claims to have a day/night difference in her town/scum play but honestly I find her a hard read-
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VOTE: Ydrasse
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no my other 2 teammates are significantly less activeIn post 53, Shirou wrote:
Oh really? I thought Jingle wouldn't remember at all but we did play a few games together/he modded a game I was in onceIn post 47, DkKoba wrote: jingle told me i would butt heads with u likely and that if we were able to work with eachother it would be good so so far plan is not going well );
Did anyone else say anything then?(gl getting mena to say anything lolol)
he also disagrees with townbinning you early but i told him skill issue-
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ur supposed to let the vote sit on me as bait for potential scum
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cringe town is my trademark hop offIn post 61, Ydrasse wrote: both dunn and peta think that koba is town rn, cringey but town-
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excellent VOTE: kobaIn post 66, Ausuka wrote:Ok
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VOTE: Mala
omgus is cringe
also mastina regrettably town and confirms me as town-
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bc she said you're town?
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@mastina what can i share from teammates to get u to townread me bc ik i aint getting through myself LMFAOIn post 102, DkKoba wrote:VOTE: Mala
omgus is cringe
also mastina regrettably town and confirms me as town-
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is this a half assed attempt to shade the slot?In post 105, ItalianoVD wrote: To clarify, I've seen DGB play as both alignments and haven't seen this early quietness before. Perhaps I should have played more games, but that's how it's been from my experience.
is it alignment indicative or nah
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explicitly a towny post but this is with the lack of knowledge of scumrange + only ever experiencing you through TMI in the past you do not get the post of "locktown" yet.In post 94, Aisa wrote:
Koba seems Somewhat Different from that game.In post 90, Ydrasse wrote:
what are your thoughts so far?In post 85, Aisa wrote: Koba seems Somewhat Different from that game they were in 9 months ago when they were scum that I was also in. I can townread them now right?
Now, now. Why do you slander my good name?
Shirou gives me vaguely sneaky vibes but I've never played with them before, it could just be a matter of getting used to their playstyle.
This is not a playerlist I'm super familiar with so I'll likely take my time with reads. Everyone seems possibly within scumrange I guess. I'm guessing activity will be higher than most of the games I've been playing recently, so I don't feel bad about sitting back and observing for a little bit, which is a nice change of pace.
Oh and I wanna know why mastina thinks I'm town
There are so many questions of that sort I could direct to various people that I'm almost feeling a bit of choice paralysis lol
also fuck taking time with reads! just let em rip, you're always within your right to change your mind, hell, even 180 a read, whenever you feel like it!-
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how is this the same exact thing ? all I'm seeing is that she is calling you scum = scummy, unless you want to elaborate.In post 112, Malakittens wrote:In post 102, DkKoba wrote:VOTE: Mala
omgus is cringe
also mastina regrettably town and confirms me as town
We aren’t playing this stupid game again.
This is exactly what scum!stina did in the mulitball game where she fucken slid under the claim of “beloved princess” before being shot by scum.
This is exactly the same damn opening, with the same damn pings that I got, but the difference between that game and this game?
I needed her alive bc I was the other scum team.
This time I’m town and I don’t need to trust anyone but myself.
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oh there are hoods! wonderfulIn post 114, ItalianoVD wrote:
For you.In post 108, DkKoba wrote: I think it makes perfect sense for dgb to be absent considering, well, the retirement from mafia for the most part.-
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spill the beans italiano-
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MAFIA hate this TRICK find out HOW right hereIn post 122, Aisa wrote: It's page 5 and I'm pleased to announce Koba has pocketed me in one simple swift move-
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i am searching for games but annoyingly she comments in every normal she reviews altho now im remembering that she doesnt play in normals and i feel like a silly willyIn post 123, Ausuka wrote: she definitely does that as town too-
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i am just going to ping jingle and make him do the work for me gg-
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thank you jingle
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i personally do not wish to be pocketed by mastina and i know what town mastina looks like and i think u tried to twist an NAI thing to make her look scummy and now i want to kill ur slotIn post 135, Malakittens wrote: Welll Aisa is trying to be pocketed by scum!stina.
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In post 138, Ydrasse wrote: i dont follow, what did mala twist?In post 112, Malakittens wrote:In post 102, DkKoba wrote:VOTE: Mala
omgus is cringe
also mastina regrettably town and confirms me as town
We aren’t playing this stupid game again.
This is exactly what scum!stina did in the mulitball game where she fucken slid under the claim of “beloved princess” before being shot by scum.
This is exactly the same damn opening, with the same damn pings that I got, but the difference between that game and this game?
I needed her alive bc I was the other scum team.
This time I’m town and I don’t need to trust anyone but myself.-
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almost like to properly read people you can't just pick and choose what posts to read and have to read it as a wholeIn post 145, Shirou wrote:In post 142, DeasVail wrote:
But what do you think?In post 132, Shirou wrote: Ali also thinks Koba is town*checks my vote remaining on them*
to be honest I'm not feeling that serious about it, it's partially because it feels good to have a wagon to get us out of RVS as well, but in a vacuum their posts are still the worst ones to me aside from perhaps italiano's "DGB has been really quiet".-
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that seems like a very arbitrary list of 4 - can you ellaborate?In post 144, DeasVail wrote: I think xofelf, mala, aisa and ydrasse are town-
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the mark of a player who knows what they are truly doing is sorting by town, actually, which is why holistic reading is betterIn post 157, Shirou wrote:
The people I admire in mafia as town tells me the opposite though I thinkIn post 150, DkKoba wrote: almost like to properly read people you can't just pick and choose what posts to read and have to read it as a whole
"Selecting a few posts that potentially are significantly more likely to come from an alignment or are likely to not be from an certain alignment" being the motto
Not that I think your posts so far aremore likely to come from a given alignment thoughsignificantly
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anyways i think ur slot resolves itself if town so idc what u think personally, i have bigger concerns like carrying this game-
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jingle just confirmed the mastina thing in my chat that its NAI but he is busy right now and cant give me more-
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lets tackle a more significant piece here -> with those reads in mind, how do you view my slot, and as a bonus, mastina's?In post 164, DeasVail wrote:
xofelf - I don't thiiink I've played with xof as scum? But this sounds like xof-town. The initial vote on me had the right level of spunk, and the subtle confidence in being able to read DGB were good signs imo.In post 152, DkKoba wrote:
that seems like a very arbitrary list of 4 - can you ellaborate?In post 144, DeasVail wrote: I think xofelf, mala, aisa and ydrasse are town
Mala - The conviction behind mastina is unusual for mala as scum imo.
Aisa - I believe the reaction of RVS voting me with the exact same post would be more over-thought by scum. The talking about their reads feels very natural. I think mastina actually put it really well. Oh yes, and the unapologetic "I will sit back" type post was good.
Ydrasse - Maybe a slightly weaker read than the other three, but I liked the read progression on Aisa and idk the woe re: the likely exponentially increasing post count resonated with me. Bring back the slow pace of last TM's mini normal!-
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ok well do whatever ur doing i prefer not to die n1In post 166, Shirou wrote:
HmmIn post 159, DkKoba wrote:
the mark of a player who knows what they are truly doing is sorting by town, actually, which is why holistic reading is betterIn post 157, Shirou wrote:
The people I admire in mafia as town tells me the opposite though I thinkIn post 150, DkKoba wrote: almost like to properly read people you can't just pick and choose what posts to read and have to read it as a whole
"Selecting a few posts that potentially are significantly more likely to come from an alignment or are likely to not be from an certain alignment" being the motto
Not that I think your posts so far aremore likely to come from a given alignment thoughsignificantly
/shrug
I was talking about how I perceived Ellie's philosophy you know? Although I could have misinterpreted it who knows
As a counterpoint to my own point, I would say that knowing what is "significantly more likely" to come from a certain alignment or not is hard without knowing someone's personality/meta, and given I don't like meta nowadays (neither am good at identifying reliable tells?), sometimes the method fails quite terribly indeed
Dunno why discuss this though, I'm not going to change my mind on how I approach sorting people really-
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good morning - full disclosure I'm busy today till evening
@aisa can you elaborate on your thoughts on Shirou?
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i have like 5-10 minutes hello-
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please tell me more, oh person who has never played with me before.In post 308, Kowahbunga wrote:
When you've been out of town and it's 230am before you had a chance to look at this thread, yeah it's a tomorrow problem. Well technically a today problem but an after I get some sleep problem for sure.In post 306, xofelf wrote: this is a tomorrow problem
DkKoba's 106 reads weird and makes me lean scum on them. If you have to ask how to get town read, it means you're not town.
I don't like any post Koba has made. So I currently would lim there today.
VOTE: Koba
The interaction between mala and mastina has pinged me. My current thoughts is that they're either both scum or both town. I want to town read Mastina because they shared feelings I had about Koba. And because of Koba. So I'm going to assume both Mastina and Mala are town for now.
I'm going to address the person who voted me after I posted in my next post, but this is how I feel after reading through everything so far.
perhaps if you took 1 look at context that mastina has historically read me as scum when town consistently, you'd see the reason + i dont like being scumread in general
tell us who you think is town - independent of what you think of my slot-
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gonna drop a read list in a hot second but first, some things ive neglected to pass on from teammates that regrettably are not able to really follow this game(they have put their trust in me to work it out solo ):) :
jingle on mastina: the shotgun was a bit odd and different from usual but as both alignments. also since i have egregiously misread mastina in the past jingle told me to outsource the read to him if im not confident and he told me he leans town (which does somewhat matchup with my vibe)
on further reflection jingle does update that it doesnt match up with the linked game
also a question to shirou to ask FB which post was towny
pinkball gave a few thoughts too: shirou / ausuka dynamic seemed weird and he felt that someone in the 2 could be pocketing the other based on how it came off. (also said possible masons)
ydrasse is leanscum for reasons theyve asked me to withhold for now
italiano scummy based on their complaints about activity being the first serious thing they said about the game (later agrees with my vote there)
felt weird about shirou pushing the thing about mastina while not actually sorting them independent of that and also pointed out they only really backed off when ali provides
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Ausuka (Frog Friends)
Aisa (Whimsical Activities)
DrippingGoofball (Ancient Guard)
Ydrasse (Polymewl)
Mastina (Shadow Syndicate)
DeasVail (Klickin’ Chickens)
Kowahbunga (Studies Show)
Shirou (Perfectly Balanced)
Xofelf (Crispy Cream Puffs)
Malakittens (Ghosts of NKs)
ItalianoVD (We Don’t Mafia)
literally have not read a single post by them:
Arko (Average TM Enjoyers)
i still need to properly catch up(last few days have been Busy and im essentially alive in 3 games atp)
kowahbunga is around where PoE begins-
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ok that doesnt answer my question on who your townreads are ? refusing evidence because it might force you to adjust your stance and rebut it is NAGLIn post 334, Kowahbunga wrote:
I don't really care about "historically". Everything I need to solve this game is going to be in this thread. Not in other games.In post 321, DkKoba wrote:please tell me more, oh person who has never played with me before.
perhaps if you took 1 look at context that mastina has historically read me as scum when town consistently, you'd see the reason + i dont like being scumread in general
tell us who you think is town - independent of what you think of my slot-
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i'm sure someone as great as you that only needs to read this game can come up with more than that, especially since I'm sure you have at least 1 or 2 teammates to help you with that.In post 340, Kowahbunga wrote:
I guess because I never played with you before, my opinion doesn't matter?In post 321, DkKoba wrote: please tell me more, oh person who has never played with me before.
perhaps if you took 1 look at context that mastina has historically read me as scum when town consistently, you'd see the reason + i dont like being scumread in general
tell us who you think is town - independent of what you think of my slot
Imagine playing the game of mafia and feel the need to express how you don't like being scumread while playing the game of mafia. As if anyone playing does like it.
Since you didn't feel like reading the entire post I made:
Those are my current town reads.In post 308, Kowahbunga wrote: So I'm going to assume both Mastina and Mala are town for now.
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u actually reminded me i mixed up FL and mastina in the last game we played in that i didnt actually get fooled by scum mastina but jingle and I agree anywaysIn post 348, Shirou wrote:In post 331, DkKoba wrote: also since i have egregiously misread mastina in the past jingle told me to outsource the read to him if im not confident
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weren't you THE expert in reading Mastina?
lil brain fart-
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lets just say i tend to prefer to ignore mastina in games and i rarely have a good confident read on her regardlessIn post 355, Shirou wrote: but at the same time super weird stuff to fake/lie if you're scum
it still doesn't make a lot of sense as town either tho
i am scatterbrained and it shows in my play although it isnt AI im just built Different-
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oh hey jingle told me abt that i think pregame when brainstorming plans if i were to rand scum in this game.In post 351, Shirou wrote: about Ausuka potentially trying to pocket me by getting into my good side...it feels possible but at the same time I'm not too worried about it right now, she's on my null pile
I must confess I'm quite weak to people humoring me/being nice to me though
(*Meuh PSTD flashbacks*)
pretty good call-
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DkKoba They/ThemSurvivorThey/Them
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fun vote time VOTE: arko
dont be a stranger-
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DkKoba They/ThemSurvivorThey/Them
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its the difference between light confidence and lack of confidence.In post 361, Shirou wrote:In post 49, DkKoba wrote:In post 48, Shirou wrote: She claims to have a day/night difference in her town/scum play but honestly I find her a hard readits pretty easy for meand she still doesnt know what the difference it ;D
It's not about being "scatterbrained", you've done a 180º on how you theoretically view mastina as a slot you need to sort and it's puzzling? maybe you were just being cheeky in the first quote but it's hard for me to sympathize with this progression because I view it like as if walked back on how well I can read Norwee and that would never happen because...it's true?In post 356, DkKoba wrote: lets just say i tend to prefer to ignore mastina in gamesand i rarely have a good confident read on her regardless
so no, not a 180 but also mastina is a slot ive played with relatively rarely and have had middling results reading the slot going either way, i gave you my explaination, if you think its fake then i cannot reason with that which is not true - i won't make up fake reasons that sound nice.-
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DkKoba They/ThemSurvivorThey/Them
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and regardless 180s are pretty standard for me which is why i can be seen being completely wrong about a game, push over a townie, and still get nightkilled-
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i urge players to bring their team members into the game as much as they can btw, it becomes a much easier game to solve the more variables there are in play and it can prevent scum from being able to hide within having teammates help them because then it will be the standard and all that
even if you assign your teammate like 2-3 players to track thats fine and a good idea too
(my teammates have said my game is impossible to keep up with and i have to bully them personally to help)
also is anyone here good at reading shirou that can tell me my tinfoil is stupid bc everytime shirou posts im like "hmm yes this is good but also if i look at this from plausible scum POV this is perfectly plausible and actually ingenious"
or maybe dont because if theyre town its better to have them alive d2-
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DkKoba They/ThemSurvivorThey/Them
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the words italiano types wash over my brain in a not pleasant way - meaning i am having trouble parse them due to how fluffed up the sentences are(they lack a concrete point)
looks like italiano is sniffing out if im a viable wagon tho-
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