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Post #93 (isolation #6) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:23 pm
Postby Black »
Just a friendly note to all that I'm not around much on weekends but as TSQ said I'm kinda addicted to this game so a lot of the time I can't help myself
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Post #103 (isolation #8) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:30 pm
Postby Black »
In post 97, Feysal wrote:
In this setup, there are no true power roles. Everyone is equal. Even if you die with a power role, someone else may randomly get it the next day. How does everyone feel about a day one massclaim?
Honestly I have no clue if this is a good idea or not. My first thought is wouldn't the information benefit wolves more than town?
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Post #108 (isolation #9) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:33 pm
Postby Black »
In post 97, Feysal wrote:
Dunnstral is asking questions and means business, like that. Dragon entered sounding kind of aggressive? Not sure what to make of that yet.
I'm kinda curious about this. I felt like Dunnstal entered a little aggressive. Did you not see it that way?
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Post #122 (isolation #11) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:45 pm
Postby Black »
In post 118, Feysal wrote:
It did not feel like that to me, no. It looked more like they did not care about RVS and moved straight into the game proper.
I would argue Dragon didn't seem to care about RVS much either. I feel like both of their entrances could be considered "aggressive with a disregard for RVS" so I just wanted to see why Dunnstral got the pass
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Post #125 (isolation #12) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:46 pm
Postby Black »
In post 119, Thestatusquo wrote:
I see value in the question but I don't think I see it in the way you asked it. Obviously Feysal does not agree because they said so in the very post you're quoting so I am not sure what useful information you actually are trying to provoke, unless you're trying to get them to change their mind in which case its a pretty half assed attempt at that as well.
I wanted them to look into the behaviors and tell me why one is aggressive and the other isn't. Can you let things progress?
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Post #131 (isolation #13) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:54 pm
Postby Black »
In post 129, Dunnstral wrote:
They didn't say I was aggressive, they seemed to suggest the opposite, no? I believe aggressive was your own choice of words.
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Post #133 (isolation #14) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 3:57 pm
Postby Black »
In post 130, Feysal wrote:
It was a difference in tone. Dunnstral was asking questions, but Dragon seemed angry at Firebringer for the act and voted them for it.
Meh. I feel like Dunnstral felt a little angry in his tone, but we can agree to disagree
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Post #149 (isolation #18) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 4:11 pm
Postby Black »
In post 146, Feysal wrote:
Might as well explain where I was going with this, since I just learned my idea would not work. I wondered if the mafia would be told which amnesiac roles had been assigned to them, even if they would not get to use them. But I asked, and they are told, so no such luck. Would have been too good to be true.
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Post #154 (isolation #19) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 4:17 pm
Postby Black »
In post 151, Titus wrote:
@Black How do you feel about Feysal for proposing it?
Can you give me your mehs?
My gut is to not like it but I think wolf and town could propose a massclaim, especially with the explanation in 146. But part of me wonders if Feysal would have ever brought up 146 if people went along with the idea
I'll tell you my mehs when they upgrade to hmmmmms
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Post #177 (isolation #22) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 4:34 pm
Postby Black »
In post 170, Thestatusquo wrote:
There's something black hasn't asked me yet which I expected her to and that makes me suspicious of her and its a big part of why I've been giving her a hard time.
I generally have no clue. I'm high, is that a valid excuse?
In post 166, Black wrote:
What do you think of Feysal proposing the massclaim Titus?
I have definite thoughts on Feysal's alignment...I want solid thoughts (even if weak) to bounce off from.
My weak thought is that Feysal is meh
In post 174, Thestatusquo wrote:
I'd also warn you (@titus) not to underestimate her. Black isn't your typical newbie. At the risk of inflating her ego she's really quite good.
I'm quite shit at town games though. The proof is around. Even if I sometimes reach the conclusion at the end I take a pretty convoluted way to get there
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Post #181 (isolation #23) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 4:41 pm
Postby Black »
In post 180, Thestatusquo wrote:
Before team mafia started we had a conversation where I said I thought I would be pretty good at reading you since I've modded or played in most of your on site games.
I said at the time I would tell you if we shared a PT.
But I expected you to bring it up because if you're town you'd want to get town read. If you're scum though you'd have a really good reason to not ask me about my meta thoughts on you.
Ahhhh. I see. Well I don't expect anyone to have strong reads one way or the other this early and I also think it's kinda scummy to go looking for towncred like that. Feels desperate
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Post #230 (isolation #25) » Sat Apr 15, 2023 6:47 pm
Postby Black »
In post 228, Dunnstral wrote:
They wanted Feysal to answer and what you were asking was why they were asking Feysal that question. I feel that it is fair for them to say that they want Feysal to answer first
This is correct btw. Feysal pinged me with the massclaim a little and I thought it was weird and slightly contradictory how they interpreted the Dragon/Dunn entrances
Shea I have nothing wrong with you asking about the motives behind my questions but I can't really explain them sometimes without ruining the whole purpose of the question. And I don't really think that's an unusual take to have
It wasn't a case, it was just a question based on an associative I didn't like. I also wanted to gauge what Feysal considers aggressive behavior because it doesn't seem to align with my own definition. I saw a discrepancy there and wanted to explore it
Just because you don't see value in the question doesn't mean there isn't any
I see value in the question but I don't think I see it in the way you asked it.
Obviously Feysal does not agree because they said so in the very post you're quoting
so I am not sure what useful information you actually are trying to provoke, unless you're trying to get them to change their mind in which case its a pretty half assed attempt at that as well.
This isn't true. Feysal didn't comment on Dunn's attitude really. They said Dunn was asking questions and getting business done or something. That's taking about what Dunn is doing, not the manner in which he's doing it
Then they said Dragon was aggressive and they weren't sure how to feel about that, which felt like it was kinda shading Dragon while giving Dunn a pass. So I wanted Feysal to comment on Dunn's attitude beyond his activity, because I thought Dunn was aggressive and I was curious why Feysal didn't comment on it
No, I think you misunderstood. I feel like me running to Shea asking to be townread would've felt desperate and he was saying it's sus that I didn't do that
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Post #264 (isolation #31) » Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:26 am
Postby Black »
In post 183, Thestatusquo wrote:
I mean while its true that maybe expecting you to explicitly ask "please tell me about your meta thoughts on me" isn't exactly 100% fair, I would say that it was fair to expect you to be somewhat curious about what my read of you would be, and you've felt pretty fundamentally uncurious about that to me, and also kind of fundamentally uncurious about my alignment as well in our interactions so far.
Like I said I really don't expect anyone to have strong reads one way or the other. Of course I'm curious how you read me but I don't feel the need to check in with you about it. I fully expect you to come to me when you have a read you want to discuss
Also re: your alignment, don't assume that just because I'm not saying something doesn't mean I'm not thinking about it
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Post #269 (isolation #32) » Sun Apr 16, 2023 3:55 am
Postby Black »
In post 266, Titus wrote:
I kinda get where he's coming from. You didn't attempt to sort my professed meta read on you, which is odd given we've never played together.
How would I even sort that? I got no pings from you saying that
You said you had a read on me but wanted to wait for people to talk, then you started asking me questions. I just assumed you would tell me your read when you were ready
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Post #295 (isolation #34) » Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:27 am
Postby Black »
In post 294, Thestatusquo wrote:
Voting titus is literally like the first thing I did in the interaction. I find it incredibly hard to believe LLD missed that.
I was thinking this too. I'm not sure if LLD would be this lazy with the read if Dunn were scum. I think it's more likely that LLD would be particularly careful with her summary of the game if she were feeding Dunn fake scumreads
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Post #298 (isolation #35) » Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:33 am
Postby Black »
In post 273, Titus wrote:
Feels like lip service. What are you doing to sort me?
I don't think I've put much effort into sorting yet. I kinda let things build and develop in the early stages of the game and if I see something I do or don't like I'll usually comment on it, though I do keep some stuff close to me. My style early on is more asking questions and getting a feel for people rather than hypersolving, and I will say this game starting on the weekend has pretty much made me want to only live post and answer some questions directed at me so far
Do you think Feysal is scum btw? Our conversation about the massclaim didn't really go anywhere
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Post #299 (isolation #36) » Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:35 am
Postby Black »
In post 297, Dunnstral wrote:
LLD did miss that actually but it's an empty quote vote and you are being soft on Titus and letting her get away while FB and I were dueling.
Attempting to make it look like LLD is not reading the game is not a townie response to pressure
and
it's a discredit that no one can veritably prove
. In the text you quoted above LLD has made points about specific interactions to
it is pretty clear she is reading
.
Just curious, are these your thoughts or LLD's?
Having our teammates play the game too is going to get hella confusing. Now I have to read 40+ people? XD
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Post #301 (isolation #37) » Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:40 am
Postby Black »
In post 275, DragonEater70 wrote:
Guys I re-read FB vs Dunn and honestly I've been scumreading both, but now I want to individually TR each one of them for making a good push on a scummy slot.
I'm honestly confused.
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Post #305 (isolation #39) » Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:49 am
Postby Black »
In post 302, GuyInFreezer wrote:
Nah you don’t have to.
If a slot posts two different opinions just vote them and say this buzzword “cognitive dissonance”
I'm wondering if we can set a game standard where we tag our teammates thoughts if we are going to include them in the game. I feel like it's important to know which thoughts are yours and which thoughts are your teammates
I'm wondering how the thread feels about this and if this is an unfair request?
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Post #317 (isolation #42) » Sun Apr 16, 2023 7:18 am
Postby Black »
Titus, I'm not sure I'm vibing with this behavior. You seem really focused on getting reads from people (121, 137, 151, 159, 168, 194, 311) while simultaneously refusing to give reads (74, 143, 145, 171, 211)
Idk what this says about your alignment, but it feels off. Maybe that's just your playstyle? But the part that I'm not getting is you seem annoyed when others won't give you reads or explain why they don't have many
Why can comments like these not apply to other people:
In post 143, Titus wrote:
Nope. I have quite a few gut town and scumreads. Just not playing dominate the thread.
In post 145, Titus wrote:
I don't want to say my Dunn thoughts as I want organic game state.
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Post #318 (isolation #43) » Sun Apr 16, 2023 7:20 am
Postby Black »
In post 313, Titus wrote:
If you've put no effort in, how can you say your questions are doing anything? Second, this posting doing nothing but over explained is a hallmark of your scumgame.
I have put effort in, just not much. It's the weekend. You should be happy you've gotten this much from me!
My questions are to help me solve and sort. They are doing stuff for me even if they aren't for you
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Post #322 (isolation #46) » Sun Apr 16, 2023 7:24 am
Postby Black »
In post 313, Titus wrote:
Second, this posting doing nothing but over explained is a hallmark of your scumgame.
Do you really think I overexplained my approach to the game there? It was like 3 sentences. You asked me what I'm doing to sort you and I gave you an honest answer
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Post #338 (isolation #48) » Sun Apr 16, 2023 7:51 am
Postby Black »
In post 324, Titus wrote:
Black, I straight up don't tolerate people pumping me while refusing to give info themselves.
What is pumping? And I think I have given some information already and it's disingenuous of you to say I haven't. Your issue seems to be I'm not giving you the exact info you want, and I already explained why I haven't
Titus wrote:I have asked you for ANY fixed positions for ages and I keep getting responses that they later.
You asked me for my "townblock" on page 6. I'm not the type of player to have many reads that early, let alone a block of them
I'll share my thoughts when I feel like it but I definitely don't respond well to people demanding them
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Post #358 (isolation #50) » Sun Apr 16, 2023 8:30 am
Postby Black »
I want more from Pink Ball and Blue
PB seems like they are saying stuff without saying anything, and Blue's reaction to Dunn in 262 feels a bit defensive. I'm not a fan of him interpreting Dunn's 75 as a scumread when all Dunn says is Blue seems awkward and he's not sure where Blue is coming from
I like what you are putting down so far. I think we agreed a little on the Fey slot earlier. I don't really understand a couple of your TRs, like why is PB town? Overall I think you are progressing the game in a good way