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PASSION

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I've seen flips and I see Naerys claimed.

NICE SHOT. PASSIONATE!!!

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This is what I have off 4 pages. DeltaWave and Luchador64 looks sus. Gypyx too but I'm less PASSIONATE about this read. No doubt Naerys is the shooter. FuDuzn suspects Margot and is getting TRed already so his death makes sense already

21 - this tracks for town!Gamma
22 - knowing this is scum sheeping I'm looking out for when and how she moves her vote
24 (Alianna) - overly defensive over some jokes
30 - haHaa nice shot again Naerys
33 - who told him this? Only 10 minutes apart from his last post looking for guidance, and only margot is online - conclusion? Coached.
38/39/40 (Gypyx) - easy to see this as distancing - BUT - The sequence of replies is promising. She spots a problem with little Hu Tao's post and goes for the takedown. This comes before the teasing of confirmed tiny scum MargotRosa, which is what looks like distancing. Also looks like public coaching ZBD but these are all CONFIRMATIONALLY BIASED reads and I will withhold my People's Elbow for now
42 (Alianna) - aha, a suspicious townie thought enters the ring
45 - oh no, is this why Gamma was tossed out of the ring?
56 - let us not be too fair though tiny penguin lest i toss you from the ring

Gypy did an 8 in town8lock and nobody shot her so probably she's scum to be tbh

71 - kinda self-conscious in my imo
74 - why isn't there a vote i wonder
78 - now we have 2 people being 2 fair - maybe the Luchador64 and tiny penguin are the last 2 of the tiny mafia
90 - maybe this is an acceptable read but it is a little easy to find
91 - I'll tell you my role. It is to RULE with the People's Elbow and rock-hard abs as I rock, sock, and rumble the scum out of the ring. Do you like being the tiny mafia or do you prefer to DOMINATE the arena in TOS?

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

eeeeh, just gonna pretend i think Hu Tao is town for now and i'm challenging that when we get to it

Nope. No going back. You MUST decide now if I'm town or not.

You're town. Welcome to the ring my friend, where are the tiny mafia? Did you help crush Gamma underfoot? I must skip ahead.

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

Votecount 1.12

Combined Mod ISO.

Votecount

Gamma Emerald

(7):

Alianna,

Claptastik

, Upwards,

Naerys

, DeltaWave, Laplacian,

Gamma Emerald

DeltaWave (2):

Hu Tao

, Zebedee

Laplacian (2):

lucca261, Gypyx

MargotRosa

(1):

FuDuzn

FuDuzn

(1):

MargotRosa

Not Voting (0).

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to send someone on the fast route to the afterlife.

Flavor

Dragon Fact #11:

While chromatic dragons are normally considered evil and dangerous, spring-green colored dragons are vegan, so you can approach them safely with no fear of being eaten. Beware though, do not confuse them with regular green dragons, as these LOVE to eat humans.

Oh unfortunate, Gamma self-hammered

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

VOTE: Alianna
nowhere did I say I wanted to yeet FuDuzn.

I don't remember if I thought you said that, but I probably did misread you. I have not really been paying attention to whether my RVS jokeposting makes any sense.

Why are you so concerned whether your RVS posting makes sense?

I mean, I wasn't until Gamma made that post. Idk how to really answer this aside from the obvious. Like, I'd hope that my posts make sense in context and are based on correct readings of other posts.

I'm aware of 131 but I'll address it after I've read the thread.

tiny mafia is self-conscious of the fact there is pressure on her to answer this so she is excusing herself unnecessarily

Recounted. 3 votes alianna. Undoing vote

VOTE: None

edited to fix broken tag

VOTE: DragonEater70

This draconian leader must be overthrown! Anarchy must reign!!!

Creating fake dragon facts are encouraged. Deciding the leader of the dragons is a cannibal is a bad fact.

VOTE: Alianna

It's not a bad fact if it's true!

So you admit that it's either a bad fact, or a bad fake fact.........

Not a fan of this. 7 votes to lim, so 3 votes are nothing. Why unvote, other than to (incorrectly) appear to be doing a townie thing?

Then, after a serious game-related action reverts back to RVS banter.

VOTE: Margot

The first point looks okay but I don’t think sliding back into banter is a scumtell since I do it a lot myself regardless of alignment

This is basically the exact thought I had when I read that.

I do agree with the rest of Clap's questioning on page 3 though.

@Gamma - if you haven't explained it already, what did FD do that made you want to put him in your townblock?

Softly supporting the "it's NAI" defense of tiny mafia MargotRosa while at the same time supporting the rest of The Clappening's thoughts to not start a tussle. Right now there are a few votes on tiny mafia Margot Rosa, one of them is Gamma's and we know she's town. Alianna is maybe trying to distract Gamma's focus away from her scumread and more toward her townblock instead.

I'm opening up the old sublime text Mafia notes templates again. What a time to be alive.

Only vibe leans atm are Gypyx as town and Claptastik as Scum, but they are purely on vibes based on early d1 behaviour, and tells are almost always useless, esp. as you two seem to have been playing for ages.

Feck... I'm a baby here....

Please be gentle. So if I think so someone's spouting crap I should say so?

I'd strongly advise you to check out the guides about townplay that we have on the mafiascum wiki, they're way more insightful than what anyone here could reasonably say

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... y_Articles

And why specifically the townplay guides? This looks TMI-ish.
Though 39 does suggest you're aware of the info difference between town and scum, so it'd be kind of weird if you did actually TMI-slip and then

that

was your next post. Hmmmmmmmm, you can be a townlean for now (probably will have to check my logic tomorrow because it's getting pretty late and my brain is fried). I'm still interested in the answer to that question though.

Like, this gives town vibes just because it's the kind of non-committal, but still roughly reasoned out thinking I'd expect, whereas #66, #68 and #70 feel a bit more accusatory? Just feels off for the first 24 hours of the first day.

E: tag fix

aaaah yes, agressive = scum and nice = town

clap certainely feels like town motivated agression here, can't tell if Margot has got her radar calibrated on the complete opposite of mine or if she's just scum afraid of a proactive townie

and while this got me thinking about it, i gotta say the Alianna post in question looks pretty bad to me? Like, it's *extremely* reasonable, and non-antagonizing immediatly afterwards, almost like the main worry is making sure i don't get angry about it

Not TRing Margot, but I like that you brought up the radar thing because that's something I've noticed myself doing as town (as in, committing the fallacy that Margot is committing) and have been trying to "un-calibrate" myself from, and I've also been wrongly scumread by people who I now realize were calibrated the other way.

I wasn't worried about that at all, so I'm having trouble seeing where you're getting that from. I doubled back on the ping I got from 38 because I realized it was most likely wrong. It would probably be easier to respond to this if you elaborated on what in the post gave you that impression.

Another soft defense of tiny mafia MargotRosa, saying that what she's done is a fallacy that she's done before as town - implying maybe that SRing Margot for this is a "wrong scumread"

tiny mafia Alianna is afraid to get in a tussle with DOMINATING force Gypyx over her buddy Margot. However she has to defend Margot because she has the BIG STRONG SCUM PR so it results in these awkward half-commits

VOTE: Alianna

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

Also, I swear I remember the name Boonskies, their join date was right before I kinda site flaked

he plays on the account Flavor Leaf now, boon is exclusively his modding account

I am a dumb ass who did not know this

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

fuck, missed on RVS

I'll just pretend nothing of note happened and VOTE: Upwards

fuck, missed on RVS

I'll just pretend nothing of note happened and VOTE: Upwards

How about you don't pretend it's still RVS and come play the game with us my friend

pretending it's still RVS is more fun though and even the mod's using an avatar that takes me back to 2017 (I think) shitposting

to be fair, I read the game again and jumped at nothing

at most I think FD looks towny enough

Whole lotta null here, if anything would like to hear why I am 'towny enough'

I'm still not caught up yet and I'm fairly burnt out from work today but if I'm reading that last post by lucca correctly I don't think it's null. I don't really like going from "here's my RVS vote!" to "ohhh to be fair I was too hasty now that I read the game." It's an RVS vote, it doesn't have to make sense. Why backpedal on it so quickly.

Translation:

I definitely am not aware that my tiny mafia buddy with the BIG STRONG PR is under pressure, maybe we should instead lim this LOW HANGING LUCHADOR

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

VOTE: Lucca

hey mate why did you unvote Margot so quickly

Good point my moderately-sized luchador64

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

Not that it was scum unvoting obviously, but good eye in my imo

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

I was going to unvote if FD didn’t anyway since I wanted to see Margot’s reaction to the wagon, not the blitz elim

this might be what tiny mafia was banking on - Hu Tao was active during the wagon and enticed someone to E-1 it so she could hammer. I think this is big town energy

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

VOTE: MargotRosa

Anyways wanna vote a slot that's been weirdly shy about things?

VOTE: MargotRosa

I somewhat agree with this idea. I think she’s just been not present but wouldn’t mind leaving her a little present on her return

I'm down with this vote (despite only having 2 posts myself)
VOTE: MargotRosa

Why so self-concious about this, do you think you're being scummy when saying that?

i guess Lucca already pointed it out so yea i agree

I was kinda vibing with the possiblity Laplacian was bussing when I saw this but didn't consider the BIG STRONG PR when I was thinking that. I'm less suspicious of it and glad to see it quoted so I could correct that mental image of Laplacian now

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

The thing is: if you are town here, it's very likely that scum will try to use your status as a new player to advance their game. Not in a "I'm evil, kill all the newbies" way, but maybe by buddying you, maybe by trying to use you as elimbait, stuff like this.

You mean like you're doing now?

Maybe. See how he shouldn't trust everyone?

The Clappening really got Luchador64 with this one, but the cross counter from the Luchador64 was DOMINANT

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

VOTE: MargotRosa

Anyways wanna vote a slot that's been weirdly shy about things?

VOTE: MargotRosa

I somewhat agree with this idea. I think she’s just been not present but wouldn’t mind leaving her a little present on her return

I'm down with this vote (despite only having 2 posts myself)
VOTE: MargotRosa

Why so self-concious about this, do you think you're being scummy when saying that?

i guess Lucca already pointed it out so yea i agree

.. 114 in that quote Gamma called MR "not present". Commenting my voting a lurker while also being low post count isn't self-conscious, it's having a healthy appreciation for irony.

Also, 185 you put both me and Margot as scummy. I was 3rd on the vote train you started for them, hopping on within an hour. If we're both scum, why would I bus so quickly and give the vote momentum?

BIG TOWN can get spooked when things move too fast. It's possible the tiny mafia colluded to break up this wagon on the BIG STRONG PR, but it would be RISKY.

I don't think you're much of a risk taker.

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

just pinging you.

It's buried in my 838 so in case you don't read it I want your answer to this:

91 - I'll tell you my role. It is to RULE with the People's Elbow and rock-hard abs as I rock, sock, and rumble the scum out of the ring.

Do you like being the tiny mafia or do you prefer to DOMINATE the arena in TOS?

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

VOTE: Claptastik
My Margot vote is played out so it’s time to go here

See? The tiny mafia do nothing and the DOMINANT town move on. We need PASSION to CRUSH the tiny mafia

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

Spoiler:

So here are my initial thoughts after reading ISOs.

Gypxy

- I don't have any strong feelings. Nothing really jumped out at me. I'd say probably leaning toward town for now but I don't see a lot of scum motivation here.

FuDunz

- I look at the ISO and I see solid D1 play. Overall town leaning. Reasonable.

GammaEmerald

- She's in my scum pool. I really did not like the town block formation attempt on post #44. Her most recent vote change from Margot to Clap seems thin. The clap vote seems to be motivated by the fact that clap threw some shade on her. GE sheeped onto the Margot wagon and then hopped off when others hopped off. Talking about her own town/scum meta as if that will convince anyone seems self-preservationist and kind of manipulative. When you add all this up, it looks like someone who is more interested in influencing others around her instead of scumhunting. It's not very townie behavior.

Claptastic

- Clap has been making some good points so I'm likely to say null or town lean. Clap seemed to have some of the same problems that I have with GE.

Hu Tao

- I really think that first post had some townie banter/enthusiasm but I also don't like the stated intention to quickhammer. Ending the day early does not benefit town, especially on day one, and especially when the game was only like... what, 24-48 hours old at that point? So why are we talking about quickhammering anybody? We're also in a position where at least four players haven't contributed anything at all of substance, and ending the day before they can provide information isn't in the town's interest at all. That being said, I'm willing to hear Hu Tao out on the quickhammer comment. I was putting Hu in the neutral pool but as I was typing this post I started to dislike the quickhammer thing more and more. Especially when I realized how little information we have from some people.

Alianna

- I didn't see anything very substantive about reads. I'd like to hear more about why Alianna has the reads they do. Null for now.

Lucca

- I already explained why lucca is in my scumpool and the ISO didn't really change that. In fact, I find it concerning that Lucca is potentially misrepping Upwards in Post 176. "Not to play armchair psychologist, but I think a guy who read a 100-person game on this website (and probably read several wallposts on the way) would feel a little more paranoid on his first post." Upwards didn't say that he read a 100 person game, just that he heard about it. So it's a bit unfair to assume (possibly wrongly) that he actually read it. It seemed like a really thin excuse to go after someone who (if town) is a good ME target. This is the strongest scumread that Lucca has had thus far, and he walked it back later. There are so many more interesting things to talk about in this game other than some mafia game that inspired Upwards to join. It's just odd.

Laplacian

- Not a lot to go on here but he did say he was busy with RL stuff. I am mystified that he expected me to respond to his RVS vote when the only reasoning is that he didn't like neuroscience. Therefore, my response is "you have my condolences." I'd like to see more from lap before I put him into a pool.

Upwards

- I mean no offense when I say that upwards is clearly a new player. I'd like to hear more reasoning and less talking about how they're new. So, null for now.

Zebedee

- Same as above. I'm cognizant that they're traveling for work. Null like Upwards.

Margot

- Low post count + reads based purely on vibes gives me little to work with. Going into the null pool with Lap, Upwards, and Zebedee.

Naerys

- Even less content than Margot. Again, null.

Basically for scum I'm looking at Lucca or GE right now. Obviously there are a bunch of people who haven't really contributed much and so there's definitely going to be some scum in there.

VOTE: Lucca

It is notable that this post is more likely to be written from memory because it is not organized in any particular way except that the slots with the least detail are last because DW could not remember them. For example this is not ordered from town to scum with explanations added in after the sorting is done. This is not copy and pasted from the playerlist order.

I haven't finished reading the whole post yet - I don't really like that the Gamma read subtly downplays the Margot wagon, but I am absolutely CONFIRMATION BIASED and FOCUSED on anything pertaining to Margot as I'm reading.

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

Since 264 comes off of memory imo, and self-admittedly "after reading some ISOs", it is unfortunate that Margot is lumped in with low-content slots as null. I am again probably being too harsh in my criticism because the reads towards the top of this list that are probably fresh in DW's mind do seem real and coming without any agenda. The only "agenda" I can reasonably spot in this post is that it aims to minimize scrutiny on Margot, but in reality the Margot wagon is already gone by the time this post comes.

I think I rescind my earlier JUDGMENT and am willing to welcome DW into the ring tentatively

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

Spoiler: LONG

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MargotRosa

(5):

Claptastik

,

Gypyx

, Gamma Emerald, Laplacian, FuDuzn

Upwards (2):

lucca261, Hu Tao

Gamma Emerald (1):

Alianna

Alianna (1):

Naerys

Not Voting (4):

Upwards, Zebedee, DeltaWave, MargotRosa

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to send someone on the fast route to the afterlife.

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Dragon Fact #4:

While often depicted as cruel and beastly monsters, dragons are actually highly intelligent, and have a better grasp on science than most humans. In fact, dragons invented modern computers!

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Combined Mod ISO.

Votecount

Gamma Emerald (7):

Alianna,

Claptastik

,

Upwards

, Naerys,

DeltaWave

, Laplacian, Gamma Emerald

DeltaWave (2):

Hu Tao, Zebedee

Laplacian (2):

lucca261, Gypyx

MargotRosa (1):

FuDuzn

FuDuzn (1):

MargotRosa

Not Voting (0).

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to send someone on the fast route to the afterlife.

Flavor

Dragon Fact #11:

While chromatic dragons are normally considered evil and dangerous, spring-green colored dragons are vegan, so you can approach them safely with no fear of being eaten. Beware though, do not confuse them with regular green dragons, as these LOVE to eat humans.

Looking at the wagons, i wish to solve in Claptastik- Upwards-Delta
they feel the most sus
Also gypyx is likely town

great post you are so great today congrats naerys

i don't hate all targaryens now

Do I detect BITTERNESS after Naerys DOMINATED the BIG STRONG MAFIA PR last night?

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

Oh I just noticed on my little note with reminders of flips and replacements that Alianna is now Enchant
VOTE: Enchant

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

Pre edit: I am trying to gauge other's opinions on you(like asking Lucca earlier), like I said I had you as solidly town earlier but am doubting that read now.

^^The pre Edit was directed at Clap, if not clear

It seems like you're admitting to Margot's charge that you're fishing for support for a wagon rather than just pushing, but acting like that's a townie thing to do. It isn't, particularly on D1.

UNVOTE:

Yikes

My Brother was scumsiding

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

Okay here we go.

I find Gamma suspicious for the townblock on day 1 when that’s a time where there’s really little basis for such a thing.

On the flipside I like Claptastic, Deltawave and Laplacian for calling it out.

I’m really mixed on Gypyx. She’s very active which is probably a good sign, but then again I don’t like my exchange with her. In #92 she feels the need to state that I shouldn’t blindly trust her, which is obvious enough that it irritated even me as a beginner. What follows is this strange discussion only to end it somewhat condescendingly in #206. Not a fan.

this is surface level analysis
Regardless of my alignment I think calling my townblock out is an easy thing to do as scum. This seems less like a real thought process and more like reflexively giving townpoints to player who’ve criticized me.

I will have you know that all my thoughts are perfectly real, thank you very much. Sorry if they don’t live up to your standards.

So here’s the thing, I believe you’re right. It is an easy play for Scum to call out Townblocks. But it’s just as easy for Scum to get the idea of forming an early town block. And the latter would be way more problematic so that’s what I am more concerned with right now.

So what do you make of that?

MUCHO.

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

He's voting you...

VOTE: margot

When it seems like the town is lost, tripping over each other to get a hold of Gamma's legs and toss her from the ring, the SHINING KNIGHT rips through the chaos to save the day

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

We have a whole week left for the day. Going into night when we have like, four or five people who haven't really contributed is not pro-town.

This looks like a post that scum does to contribute to the conversation without actually saying anything.

VOTE: Delta

Yes it's LAMIST, but somebody needed to say it. DeltaWave is not on Gamma yet here - since Gamma is the counter to tiny mafia MargotRosa, I think some credit may be due. I'll see how she ends up helping us throw Gamma out of the ring

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

Upwards - towny
Naerys - towny
Claptastik - towny
lucca261 -??
FuDuzn - town
Gamma Emerald - leaning sus
Laplacian - towny
Zebedee - ???
Gypyx - Leaning slightly towny
MargotRosa - scummy
DeltaWave - scummy
Alianna - ????

This is where I am right now. I usually don't have this many reads to start so something could be wrong.

A playerlist-ordered reads list, EH!?

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

Spoiler: tiny mafia LIES

I apologise in advance for the super long psot, but I've finally put together my mid-D1 reads.

Town Lean

Gamma Emerald

The town block conversation has been playing out already, so I'm not going to bother adding to it, other than to say I think 298 does a good job of explaining why the block was made in the first place. I get so lost in RVS, and the plan to get out of RVS with a solid basis from which to make reads from others' responses to it is really intelligent.

I think 255 is town indicative, as I just don't think scum are that obvious about what they are doing and why. I also think responses to finger pointing are too reasonable to be from scum, and indicate a level of confidence in the town motivation of play up to this point.

Gypyx

Gypyx's posting is an enigma, which, given her troll avatar, I imagine and hope she would take as a compliment. I like completely remaking my reads list on players from scratch, and it's very amusing to me that I've written scum lean? and town lean? for her on separate pages. At any rate 74 and 89 look town motivated to me right now. I like the fact that she is so clearly committed to moving the game forward. 106 and 111 in particular feel like posts made by someone who is considering not just which players might be scum, but also which players are most efficient to go after from a scum hunting perspective, which looks town motivated to me. I reeeaaaally like 206 for similar reasons, and I agree a lot with 340, in that votes for GE felt opportunistic.

lucca261

My first impression with this slot was that I felt very familiar rn with the lack of self confidence in 173, which makes me think town. I also just think his reaction to my posts about FD are really sensible and reasoned and, consequently, town aligned. 362 is reasonable and well thought out in particular. I like it when people agree with me, but I love it when they only sort of agree with me, because it looks like someone who is actually trying to work this out, as opposed to jumping on other people's logic, which is ultimately a town move.

Null

Alianna

Going to wait until she is replaced to get a clearer read. Null as I do have some reads that I feel can be disregarded given that they've hbad to drop out for whatever reason, and said reason may have influenced the way they are posting.

Claptastik

Initial gameplay looks similar to town play in the past. See, for contrast, the only scum game of theirs I could find, in which they actively engage with RVS: viewtopic.php?p=13832220#p13832220. Possibly NAI, as it was their first game, but seemed worth mentioning.

I personally don't love their motivations for voting for GE. This may just be play related, but it's hard to tell as from what I've seen, this is by far and a way the most engagement they've had with a game on this site. Did a quick count, and he's played 4 games (one ongoing, but he's dead). Law of averages, you'd expect this game to account for roughly 20% of posts in total, and this game already accounts for 15%, despite our being not even halfway through day 1. I don't know that this is alignment indicative in of itself, but it definitely makes reading his meta difficult. He's definitely hunting, I'm just having trouble working out definitively whether its scum or scummy town.

DeltaWave

Difficult to read because of low post count, which is ironic given how often low post count comes up in 264. I disagree with a lot of those reads, but that's NAI right now. It would certainly be unfair of me to place them lower than Clap though, and I feel comfortable keeping them Null.

Laplacian

Limited post count makes a read difficult. The comment in 119 about Delta not responding to the RVS vote twigged me a little. If I didn't already know I was town, 228 looks like TMI. Good luck to your wife with the dance championships <3

Hu Tao

For whatever reason, probably the first few posts, I think I had very incorrectly assumed this slot was new, but I've learned better now. 313 felt like an intentional misread, though that could just be defensiveness talking. I do think a lot of their posts are very mechanical, and it's hard to get anything definitive or clear from them. Long and short of it is that they've made a lot of short posts with reads that are reasonable, but nothing that really jumps out at me as being pro-town or super engaged in town aligned scum-hunting. Closest null slot to being placed in scum leaning at present.

Naerys

Very little content. I really like 339, even though I disagree with the Gamma read, but there's not enough to be clearly alignment indicative.

Upwards

A slot that's gotten a lot of heat. I didn't find 81 abnormal at all. Clearly nervous, but I too can remember feeling nervous as town and desperately not wanting to get eliminated first day, even if that attitude is not necessarily the most helpful for town. I think there's definitely an element of defensiveness going on (rf. 121 306 356). Read on their scum hunting is basically similar to Naerys, with the added caveat that it feels mostly externally prompted. Slot to keep an eye on, but null for the moment.

Scum lean

FuDuzn

My mind hasn't really changed since the last few posts I made on this slot. Realistically, their responses to it just solidified my earlier thoughts.

Zebedee

Again, little content, but given the complete lack of hunting, or argumentation, this slot honestly feels like new scum at a loss for how to even pretend to scum hunt. Slight scum lean for now.

Last time tiny mafia MR was a tiny mafia member she also made a big fancy reads list like this to FOOL the DOMINANT town:
viewtopic.php?p=13006521#p13006521

In this list she put her tiny mafia friends, salsabil faria and innocentvillager, right smack in the middle of her nulls (3rd of 5) and her scumreads (2nd of 3)

If we think she'd do it again that means LAPLACIAN and I guess ZEBEDEE are her tiny mafia COHORTS

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

Let's skip a step, since you're going to reply doubting that your "case" is factually incorrect:

Lucca - I already explained why lucca is in my scumpool and the ISO didn't really change that. In fact, I find it concerning that Lucca is potentially misrepping Upwards in Post 176. "Not to play armchair psychologist, but I think a guy who read a 100-person game on this website (and probably read several wallposts on the way) would feel a little more paranoid on his first post." Upwards didn't say that he read a 100 person game, just that he heard about it. So it's a bit unfair to assume (possibly wrongly) that he actually read it. It seemed like a really thin excuse to go after someone who (if town) is a good ME target. This is the strongest scumread that Lucca has had thus far, and he walked it back later. There are so many more interesting things to talk about in this game other than some mafia game that inspired Upwards to join. It's just odd.

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Spoiler:

I already explained why lucca is in my scumpool and the ISO didn't really change that. In fact, I find it concerning that Lucca is potentially misrepping Upwards in Post 176. [...] So it's a bit unfair to assume (possibly wrongly) that he actually read it.

He has read it.

@299

.

Factually incorrect.

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Spoiler:

This is the strongest scumread that Lucca has had thus far, and he walked it back later.

The only quote in my whole ISO where I express any possible retraction of my Upwards read:

"Keep in mind this is a early D1 read, so it's not final or decisive in any way. But it's something that pinged me early game."

Is this a retraction? It's a weak read, as we are on early D1. There is no post where I express any retraction over the read.

Factually incorrect.

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Spoiler:

There are so many more interesting things to talk about in this game other than some mafia game that inspired Upwards to join. It's just odd.

Sure. I agree. As I have only talked about the other maf game on 2 of my 28 posts. Counting this one.
So let's broaden the scope.
I have only talked about Upwards (directly or indirectly) on 10/28 posts. Counting the RVS vote on @71, the one sentence on @180, referencing him correcting your mistake on @360, the subsequent EBWOP on @363 and this one.

In contrast, I have been the direct focus of four of your posts. You have 12 in total.
@155
@158
@264
@371

So, Delta: there are more interesting things to talk about on this game than my RVS vote and factually incorrect scum points against me based on interactions with Upwards.

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How's that for a defense?

SPICY! PASSIONATE! MAGNIFICENT!

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

VOTE: Delta

just seems right to me, lots of fluff going on in her posts.

I feel like if scum, ZBD might go for Gamma instead on survival instinct after seeing suspicion coming his way during his catchup. There's very little focus on Gamma - he asks Clap about his Gamma read just before that, but it's around the same time he seems to be suspecting Clap and Delta of being "pally" - probably thinks these 2 are S/S or T/S. Given he's looking to sort Clap, and how the rest of the game is moving, I just don't get agenda vibes here

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

Spoiler:

The real first thing that caught my eye was the chat around Upwards first post. Post 91.

When I first read it, I thought ok, seems a legit thing to spout. In fact, I thought about going a little more into detail in my first post and then thought, well if they really want to know about me they will ask.
But then Uppers gets some incoming small rounds fire about it. So, I thought I would look at the post again. So, I ask’s myself if I was scum/bad Uppers why would I start the way he did. Well all I can think about is Uppers would want to sound sincere and open and seem townie. Then if he was Townie/good Uppers then probably yes he just wanted to let everyone know he was open to being approached.

But then you look at the content, which is obviously thought out and wonder why think it out. Why not just write what is in your head.? On the flip side there is a counter to this, and I don’t know maybe Uppers is super concerned about their grammar etc.

First shots fired come in from Hu, and what I see with Hu from reading her posts so far is she is aggressive. Her point she makes when voting goes in line with “Uppers would want to sound sincere and open and seem townie”, in fact yes as she says 'Forced'. Post 101. The next real shots fired at Uppers is Lucca in Post 176, I sorta feel that he is just typing as he is reading as the posts he is replying to seem to run in order. But then he skips a load of posts in post 177 he is picking up on Lalacian’s post 116 then in post 177 he skips to FuDuzn’s post 175. But then in his catch up post he does show reads of 114 and 149. Actually he raised my eyebrow in 149. I was really taken that I was an apprentice on a “Town Block”, but then I think does points out a good thing to chew on. And I see reading ahead that this town block is picked up on.

At first I thought Lucca was being opportunistic and skipping thorough the thread, and like my read of Hu he is aggressive. I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing Inbeing aggressive. I suppose as scums you might not want to stand out and so could play a quiet game, and as a townie you are aggressive because you have no reason not to be?

What is interesting is that Uppers seems unphased by the attention he is getting. In Post 121 and again in post 193 Uppers is not concerned for which seems pretty weird, as a newbie I think I would panic if the votes or pressure fell on me like that for my opening post. What is also catching my eye is Gypx is spending a lot of time talking with Uppers though. And seemingly advising Uppers.

on the other hand I did think this post was very IIOA but that could be from English as a second language combined with newness to mafia

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

I think Alianna is townish after combing all her posts
The combo of 157 + 161 stand out because I liked her going back to add more thoughts on the same post: I have a tell that scum like to condense their content and limit their thread availability so the opposite of that I feel like should be a towntell, and posting new ideas as you get them definitely falls into both not condensing content and making yourself more available to be interacted with.

I like your idea but girl you missed here - 157 and 161 are not replies to the same post - and just in case you got post numbers wrong I checked Alianna's ISO around there and this doesn't happen

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

The FD vote has little to do with the Gamma wagon. Zeb's interaction with the Gamma wagon does though.

So what reeks about the gamma wagon? If FD and Zeb are scum, that means the gamma wagon is at least 4/5 town.

I meant that there was scum on it somewhere. I'm certainly not ruling out anyone who was on the wagon, but I definitely have a scum lean on Zeb, and I see FD as the kind of player who wouldn't eagerly jump onto a miselim especially immediately after an intense line of questioning. Will have to check the back catalogue at some point to be sure tho

For Laplacian when they come back, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the wagon

Oh look, it's middle of the nullreads Laplacian and the unflipped scumread Zeb

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

UNVOTE:

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

Askes Elo to see if it was just a surface comparison or a deliberately bad reframing

KINDA CLEVER

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

Alianna and Upwards are town imo
Clap and Hu could be town but atp they deserve pressure

Reminder to inspect why Upwards is DOMINANT town in her iho once I'm caught up

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

Rofl, 10/10 end to day 1

tiny energy

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

My opinion is pretty clear.

VOTE: Laplacian

Great first impression, especially when you replaced into a slot that HuDuzn had suspicions of. (127, 142)

well I think we know why HuDuzn died, so tiny Laplacian could paint AFK YET DOMINANT Alianna's replacement as scum

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

Also, setup speculation since DE70 was has past games in his sig.

His 2 games leaned towards lots of weaker roles, with lots of use or time restrictions. This matches maf's 1 shot jug, so I'd expect them to have 1 more PR waiting. Rolecop could make sense with the 4+ town PRs I'm assuming.

We definitely have a bodyguard or doc because of the jug. From the two one-shot roles, this game fits the weaker roles meta. I'd guess 1 more solid role or 2 weak ones, probably including a limited investigator either way.

Also, this is not fishing for claims, shut the fuck up about your role unless you have something actionable or your role is kaput

ha. HAHAHAHAHAHA

BEGONE tiny mafia

VOTE: Laplacian

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

GG
I am 1shot vigilant and i shot a scum

Nice work! Though I wish you didn't claim yet since you were pretty towny. Scum might kill you now.

Relax brother Hu Tao. I will protect the town with my ROCK HARD abs

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

Why are you confident I'm town?

I liked most of your posts. 23, 93-96, 98, particularly 101. Mostly it was vibes and agreeing with your reads, though I of course already knew FD was DOMINATING TOWN due to the flip. I think nobody else saw 91 the way I did though. I will explain that later.

Then I read you demanding that Gypyx decide NOW in 103 and I decided that was BRAVE and I would lock you in.

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

Pretty sure scum hit him trying to get a PR

Did you see a crumb?

now that Margot and FD are both dead there's no point on hiding it

@285 is not a crumb per se but it's so weird that I kinda assumed it was a crumb and I just didn't get it. Margot also came back to it and tried to get an answer as to what 'talk in secret' was so I had a hunch she had the same opinion

285 could be seen as a neighborizer

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

I was going to unvote if FD didn’t anyway since I wanted to see Margot’s reaction to the wagon, not the blitz elim

this might be what tiny mafia was banking on - Hu Tao was active during the wagon and enticed someone to E-1 it so she could hammer. I think this is big town energy

I'm glad someone saw what I was doing there.

I almost forgot about noticing this. I was beginning to doubt why I TRed you after I gave reasons just now because they were FLIMSY - and THE MUCHO MAN RANDY PASSION is NOT FLIMSY! My muscles are HARDDDD, ROCK HARD!

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

I am fairly confident in The Luchador64 and Hu Tao being town. Naerys is locktown. Gypyx is also town but not as PASSIONATELY as Luchador64 and Hu Tao

Upwards, PoP(Zebedee), Enchant(Alianna), DeltaWave - it remains to be seen. I have reasons to suspect all of them, some better than others.

Laplacian is the tiniest around and is trying to use NK speculation to justify his scumreads. He seems like a likely candidate for scum bussing Margot on her early wagon to manufacture a level of momentum that makes SCARED town think twice before yeeting tiny mafia. Then he rope-a-doped from the scum wagon to the town wagon after lurking away the Day

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

Upwards - towny
Naerys - towny
Claptastik - towny
lucca261 -??
FuDuzn - town
Gamma Emerald - leaning sus
Laplacian - towny
Zebedee - ???
Gypyx - Leaning slightly towny
MargotRosa - scummy
DeltaWave - scummy
Alianna - ????

This is where I am right now. I usually don't have this many reads to start so something could be wrong.

A playerlist-ordered reads list, EH!?

Yes? How else would I get all the names?

Like I did in my last post, or like DeltaWave did in her readslist - when you're actively engaged in a game most of the names can come from memory.

This may not be true for everyone though and I won't overwrite all the good you've done with a projection of my own scumgame. I make lists from memory and from the playerlist as both alignments, but more often than not, if I used the playerlist to make my read, I'm either not confident in my reads because I'm not very engaged, or I'm tiny mafia. So I think DeltaWave's list is +town and yours is +scum in a vacuum.

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

Lap is town. Who else do you think is scum?

One of DW, Enchant, PoP, Upwards. Why is Lap town?

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

I'll consider pairings that aren't Laplacian - most of Laplacians vibes are good.

I get tiny mafia vibes from these two posts. What do you think?

Rofl, 10/10 end to day 1

GG
I am 1shot vigilant and i shot a scum

gg indeed

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

Does anyone in my tag team have any concerns with anyone else in my tag team? Or the MUCHO MAN himself?

Hu Tao, Luchador64, Gypyx, Naerys?

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

just pinging you.

It's buried in my 838 so in case you don't read it I want your answer to this:

91 - I'll tell you my role. It is to RULE with the People's Elbow and rock-hard abs as I rock, sock, and rumble the scum out of the ring.

Do you like being the tiny mafia or do you prefer to DOMINATE the arena in TOS?

My favorite role in ToS is, by far, Jester, followed by Survivor and Executioner. I don’t really like other 3rd parties but those three have hilarious outplay potential in my mind, even if not many will agree with me rating Surv so high.

But I take it your question is more about Town vs Mafia. And I gotta say, it’s dependent on my mood that day. Sometimes I just wanna chill and play a solid town game and other times I’m excited to claim Jailor d1 as Mafioso to try and completely run the town. Then there are roles like Veteran and actual Jailor who’re pretty much always fun no matter what.

What I don’t like are useless Town roles like Sheriff ( way too easy to counterclaim ) or Medium ( most players dc instantly after dying ). As Mafia I don’t really care about the specific role since most of them are pretty garbage and it’s more about how you act in the day anyways.

Why would you ask?

Some people disparaged 91 on the first DAY. Hu Tao called it FORCED. Memory FAILS the MUCHO MAN, but others also commented. NONE identified WHY it was forced. Uppercutwards' 91 BRIMS with excitement. The FORCED CONSTRUCTION of your wall of words CANNOT HIDE the PASSION seeping from you.

Like the MUCHO MAN, you post in a CHARACTERISTIC manner. As 91 was your first post, the HIDDEN PASSION was almost certainly related to your ALIGNMENT and ROLE. Many new players would COWER at the tiny mafia role PM. Not Uppercutwards. This PASSION could come from either alignment.

Spoiler: REFRESH YOURSELVES

Day 1 Vet Bait here, TP/LO on me. Oh wait, wrong game.

Alrighty, so here we are, my first ever comment in my first ever Mafia game. Super excited to try this out, hope I find the time to properly contribute.

I found this site by reading about a funny jester role in a Mafia game with 100 players, and then I kinda got hooked and read the whole thing. It was interesting. My main takeaway was that the dude with the Majoras Mask Profil picture was right, town needs to rule with an iron fist. Less chitty chatty, more substance.

That said, seeing as I’m new to this I obviously don’t intend to tell others how to play. Not like I’d be familiar with the normal meta here already. In Town of Salem which is my main experience with this sort of genre so far it would be customary to start by going down the playerlist asking for roles, but from what I understand that’s not how it works here?

So I guess I will just start talking about things I find notable reading the previous conversations. Please let me know if you think anything about the points I am making or if I am mistaken in some way.

GL,HF

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

UNVOTE:

I'm rereading my ISO and zebedee/PoP to answer DW, and my Laplacian vote basically boils down to a couple of bad vibes and him being in the middle of the nulls on MR's list. Kinda arbitrary and WEAK - I managed to CONFIRMATIONALLY BIAS myself into voting Lap.

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

Out of time right now though.

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

VOTE: Mucho Man

I smell cowardice behind boast.

The MUCHO MAN does not COWER. The MUCHO MAN emanates PASSION and GREATNESS, and STOPS the tiny mafia in their tracks

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

VOTE: Mucho Man

I smell cowardice behind boast.

Do you really think today is the day we do such a wagon?

I shall no pay attention. Tides will change, as time goes down. Maybe until dusk.

VOTE: Mucho Man

I smell cowardice behind boast.

The MUCHO MAN does not COWER. The MUCHO MAN emanates PASSION and GREATNESS, and STOPS the tiny mafia in their tracks

If not boast, you shall vote me back. Not retreating humbly in no-vote.

Unvoting is bad expression of opinions. And weak.

Tying yourself to a vote without thinking about it is a CHAIN that will SHACKLE your mind and prevent you from seeing the ring clearly

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

I definitely don't. Of the 3 replacements, MMRP is the one who has the most PASSIONATE effort-posts and ENTHUSIASTIC CAPS-FILLED communications.

Kinda feels MMRP is doing theatrics.

OF COURSE I am. Professional wrestling is about THE SHOW

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

Actually, since were talking about @MUCHO MAN RANDY PASSION
What do you think about Enchant's CHALLENGE to you? Do they just want a good fight, or are they a HEEL who needs to be taken down?

It remains to be seen - obviously the timing coincides with me unvoting you, who he was previously voting. It feels like a challenge meant to PLACATE me with apparent PROACTIVITY, more than it feels like DOMINATING town with their eyes locked on tiny mafia. HOWEVER I will not let this DISTRACT me. I will OBSERVE him while I evaluate DW, PoP, and Uppercutwards

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

I like Randy's re-evaluation on Laplacian. I felt initially that she came in with an agenda of getting on the side of town leaders and orienting herself towards pushing out the LHF, because a lot of the conclusions seemed forced, but it seems like she's recognized that there isn't support for her previous level of confidence.

That could still come from skilled mafia who wants to gain points for looking thoughtful, but I like the development.

I also feel a little better about Delta, something about her most recent posts come off as uninformed.

Gypyx, I can answer your question about Upwards in a bit.

Relak my brother. I was OVER-EAGER to find tiny mafia Margot Rosa putting her tiny mafia friends in the middle spot of her reads again, and let this CLOUD my otherwise SERENE tiny-mafia-crushing mind.

My only AGENDA is to slam the tiny mafia into submission and toss them from the ring so the DOMINANT town can RISE to take the championship belt from tiny mafia's tiny grubby hands

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

Left off on 977 with 2 SRs left to read

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

jfc this took forever why did I look at every iso

Towny:

MMRP

- Took the time to go through the game in detail, fun gimmick & vibes. Despite the theatrics, has good introspection and analysis. As I said earlier, 908, 939, and 941 are all good.

HT

- Good vibes overall, flippant but tries to push the game along early with 101 and 108. Engages with a ton of people. 894, quickhammer play is a great trick. There's no definitive "this is 100% town" post here, just good vibes and moves, and so probably my softest town read.

Lucca

- Logical approaches (863, 945), admits mistakes (769), asks some probing questions. I like how they caution the newbie in (222) and try to engage with them a bit more. Early case on Margot, and good interactions with FD and Clap. Chad rebuttal in 375 cinches townie for me.

Naerys

- haha vigi go bang

The Neutral Zone:

ZBD/PoP

- ZBD's posts felt cautious, with posts like 403 being more observations over reads and the popping off the GE wagon. However, PoP's 963 matches my feelings & observations really well. Thus, annoyingly still null.

Gypyx

- Day 1 is good overall; a casual tone that leads into more probing questions. Starting a solid wagon on Margot D1 completely unprompted seems towny with Margot's flip. However, it's a weird how she flip-flops on Upward's 91, from immediately giving advice in 92 to calling him "fabricated" (185) and not genuine (199). While I agree with those reads, it's an odd change. She's also cast many aspersions on me, making up motivations whole-cloth. Could be scum pushing me, could be a total vibe mismatch. Either way, enough ambiguity for me to leave her in neutral.

Scummy:

Upwards

- Basically the same thoughts as everyone else. Overwrought intro in 91, bad chess metaphor & analysis in 333 and 356 that are incongruous with the otherwise logical approach. Oddly defensive in 931 after a mediocre ToS style post. Some good posts though; I like 238 and 361. After this reread, my softest scumread and some of this seems like common ESL tone issues. But it's not day 1 anymore so they're free for the voting!

Enchant

- Enchant's votes come with no real reads (792, 944). FuDuzn was suspicious of Alianna, calling them "trying to seem genuine, yet somehow seem fake" (131). Most egregious, I can't see any world where town posts a large-font, bolded, "Silence" instead of encouraging communication (918).

Deltawave

- Some strange knowledge / phrasing gaps for having 3k posts (55, 968, and especially 619). 264 is a really bad list, misreading both me and Lucca (with a vote based on said misread!) implies that they're trying to manufacture reasons instead of find them. Pushes to prolong the day when Margot is the lead vote candidate (332), giving time for the wagon to switch to GE.

My impressions:
TRs look SIMILAR to mine
Scumreads on Enchant and Delta seem like stretches to me - could you explain what you mean by Delta "misreading" you and Luchador?
Scumread on Uppercutwards I can vibe with.
As BACKWARDS as it sounds, I DISLIKE nullreads when they've done both DOMINANT and tiny things. Early game this is OKAY, but later on it can be tiny mafia keeping OPTIONS OPEN.

There are TWO WORLDS. When Laplacian is DOMINANT town, a tag team has formed naturally and he accepts this tag team - the tiny mafia are simply left amongst the remaining wrestlers. When Laplacian is tiny mafia, he slithers behind the tag team, hoping to HIDE behind our MISTAKEN approach.

It seems most simple that Laplacian is town. Most of his actions point to this, and only CIRCUMSTANCIAL evidence points to tiny mafia Laplacian. We will use Occam's Metal Folding Chair and say he is DOMINANT town here.

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

Laplacian, did you make any of your reads out of FEAR of being HAMMERED DOWN for standing out? If so, which ones? How would they be different if you were not worried about The People's Elbow?

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

It's just a lame vote is all

The MUCHO MAN got DISTRACTED and FAILED to answer your question from yesterday. APOLOGIES!

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

The way that Upwards is forming his reads and finding things to talk about reads far more like new town player struggling to find his footing in the game than new scum player trying to blend in or manufacture stances.

Some examples that stand out to me:
1) The focus on the situation surrounding Gamma nearing E-1 (Delta said she'd unvote if E-1, and Hu Tao said they'd hammer if E-1). He made several posts about this (462, 464, 466, 484, 532, 539, and there's a clear tone of frustration that nobody else finds this as compelling as he does. I don't think that tends to come from mafia. He wants people to listen to him because he thinks he's found something interesting.

2) Similarly, a bit earlier, his engagement with Gamma in 306, 333, and 356. Again, his point is a little off the wall, bringing up how it doesn't make sense to him that Gamma could see it beneficial to die early as scum. And again, there's some frustration at not having his point understood.

Together, these aren't how scum, particularly new scum, approach the game. The points are proactively made, show original and unique thought, and there's a distinct lack of self-consciousness: when faced with others disagreeing with or not understanding his point, he doubles down to try to make it understood, because it's something that he genuinely feels and is interested in, and he's frustrated that it isn't gaining traction. New scum are much more likely to fold on a point or follow the lead of others.

The best point for Upwards being scum is that Margot's read on him in 373 is awkwardly defensive while still having him at the bottom of her null reads. I agree that is a read that sounds partnered.

I don't think that lucca's point about Upwards' vote being the one to turn Gamma into a real counterwagon to Margot is very meaningful. It was page 12, there was always going to be another wagon that happened at some point. Being the 3rd vote on Gamma doesn't make him significantly more likely to be scum. Nor does lack of talking about Margot. Scum are aware that they partner is being run up and are self-conscious about how they appear in relation to it. If you want a better example of what that may look like, read Claptastik's ISO.

Point number 1 is complete NONSENSE. The way you describe the posts you linked I would expect to find that Uppercutwards was fighting against the Gamma lim given the tone of FRUSTRATION you say CLEARLY exists. He does not look frustrated by the situation AT ALL. He is in fact, feeling quite JUSTIFIED in throwing Gamma from the ring. He emphasizes that HE will ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY and he shades Hu Tao and Delta Wave alike, casting doubt upon which of them would be responsible if Gamma were E-1ed. If he truly cared, he would have FOUGHT to get to the bottom of this. INSTEAD, he spends all of the posts you linked having a meaningless back-and-forth with my brother THE CLAPPENING, wherein he mainly discusses THEORY and occasionally mentions Gamma. You missed the mark by SO FAR in your tiny mafia "analysis", the only conclusion can be you are protecting your tiny mafia friend Uppercutwards.


Point number 2 - 333 is LITERALLY Uppercutwards voting Gamma because he DISAGREES with her on THEORY of how she would play as scum. What a LAUGHABLE vote, the Mucho Man is ASHAMED he missed this.

It seems like, for all the posts you cite as reasons Uppercutwards would be town, he is really posting THEORY that equates to tiny mafia nothingburgers. These will make you tiny. To become DOMINANT town you must ANALYZE and then TOSS tiny mafia from the ring, making friends with your tag team along the way. Uppercutwards simply tells us how to wrestle and uses tiny mafia reasoning to SNEAK around the tiny mafia wagon and toss DOMINANT town from the ring.

MY FRIEND - I will give you one chance to SLAM your tiny mafia buddy with this CHAIR and toss him from the ring.

VOTE: Uppercutwards

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

MU-CHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

Enchant was also on Gamma.

As Laplacian RISES to DOMINANT town status through the COOPERATION of THE MUC-HU TAO-WNCORE RANDY PASSION, The Prince of tiny mafia sees 3 of Laplacians scumreads:

Uppercutwards
Enchant
DeltaWave

Laplacian votes DeltaWave - misguided, but JUSTIFIED in his MIND. And the Prince of tiny mafia shades one of the other scumreads of DOMINANT town Laplacian - drawing attention away from his tiny mafia cohort Uppercutwards.

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

The TOP ROPE!

[Mucho Man Randy Passion]

Enchant was also on Gamma.

As Laplacian RISES to DOMINANT town status through the COOPERATION of THE MUC-HU TAO-WNCORE RANDY PASSION, The Prince of tiny mafia sees 3 of Laplacians scumreads:

Uppercutwards
Enchant
DeltaWave

Laplacian votes DeltaWave - misguided, but JUSTIFIED in his MIND. And the Prince of tiny mafia shades one of the other scumreads of DOMINANT town Laplacian - drawing attention away from his tiny mafia cohort Uppercutwards.

The top rope ruins the continuity of my posts.

GUESS WHO else was on Gamma? tiny mafia Uppercutwards.