Large Normal 247 - Postgame

[Ranger]

Hello.

Full disclosure, I offered to replace in before a minor medical incident happened.

Spoiler: TW, details of medical incident

I took a shower, but once I finished, I immediately became intensely nauseous. After sitting down, I vomited. I've got very shaky hands, am feeling both very warm and chilled, and have a killer headache. The suspected cause is dehydration and/or overheating (they go hand in hand), potentially exemplified by too much sugar in my stomach.

I'm doing better now, but am largely out of commission today.

I'll definitely get caught up, yet understandably, potentially not today.

Any help summarizing would be of great assistance, although I'll do the work once I'm feeling better.

[Ranger]

{Titus}
{Snow2697, Hu Tao}
{KayJayQueue}
{geraintm, Little Wil o' Wisp}
{Thomith}
{Gypyx}

P1.

VOTE: Gypyx

[Ranger]

{Titus}
{Snow2697, Hu Tao}
{Naerys}
{Oblivion}
{KayJayQueue, PenguinPower}
{geraintm, Little Wil o' Wisp}
{Thomith}
{Gypyx}

P2.

[Ranger]

{Titus}
{Oblivion}
{Snow2697, Hu Tao}
{Naerys}
{KayJayQueue}
{PenguinPower}
{geraintm, Little Wil o' Wisp}
{Thomith}
{Gypyx}

P3.

[Ranger]

{Titus}
{Oblivion}
{Snow2697, Hu Tao, Naerys}
{KayJayQueue}
{PenguinPower}
{geraintm, Little Wil o' Wisp}
{Thomith}
{Gypyx}

P4.

[Ranger]

{Titus}
{Oblivion}
{Snow2697, Hu Tao, Naerys}
{KayJayQueue, Random Nurse}
{geraintm}
{PenguinPower}
{Little Wil o' Wisp}
{Thomith}
{Gypyx}

P5.

[Ranger]

Going to rest the medical incident off now, will be back after I'm not dead.

[Ranger]

I think this is a pretty bad readslist as in very scum motivated

I have good reason to hold them.

[Ranger]

apart from obvtown oblivion ranger has as scum pepople scum!her would need to push back on and people who it doesn't hurt to have a scumread on

You seem to be treating me as if I have more information than what I have read.

You're quite aware of what I've disclosed knowledge of having read. On which pages would there be the knowledge I'd need to push back on slots? Certainly not in anything I've read.

[Ranger]

do you think you'll be able to give them out soonish?

That depends. I need to read more of the thread to see if something happened.

[Ranger]

and here i was all excited for accurate tierlists

My reads are accurately tiered, perhaps you need to evaluate your stances instead?

[Ranger]

the scum PT ?

Would a scum PT have the information of the entire game thread within?

Would I, in my delirious state, have been able to read such a scum PT in the two minutes between me reading my role PM and beginning to read the game?

I read my role PM at X:04, approximately 42 minutes ago.

Would I have had the time to read and surmise the gamestate?

Or would I simply be posting from what I saw, as I saw it, as I claimed?

I genuinely didn't have the time to have read any scum PT.

the need to give an explaination to it before even starting your catchup seems to come from a place of unwarranted defensiveness?

The need to share a medical emergency which happened in the time between offering to replace in and actually playing isn't something you think I need to immediately disclose?

There's an explanation slots who offer to replace in are going to immediately begin playing at full capacity. I had a medical incident preventing me from doing so. That seems it warrants mentioning.

However you seem awfully defensive about how your argument is literally impossible given the timeline.

Given my medical incident, I couldn't have had the time to both read the scum PT

and

start posting when I did. I would only have had one or the other. So I couldn't have had a scum PT to read, and therefore would not have had awareness of the gamestate.

Usually, that is a sign of a player's alignment. And you seem awfully unable to assess this. Afraid much?

I've come in as a fresh face. Apparently, as a wagoned player. I provide a chance to redeem my slot, give new input, and shift the gamestate. You seem awfully concerned I'll do that.

[Ranger]

*there's an expectation slots who offer
(sorry, am becoming a little more delirious)

[Ranger]

honestly if i had a vig shot that had to target the entire neighborhood i would take it in a heartbeat

As long as it took out you and Thomith I'd take that two for three trade.

I suppose this answers my question on whether it happened, too.

You did indeed out the neighborhood and the content of said neighborhood from start to finish has left me believing you and Thomith are the suspected mafia and traitor within.

[Ranger]

and here i was all excited for accurate tierlists

My reads are accurately tiered, perhaps you need to evaluate your stances instead?

I mean they are objectively wrong in at least one instance so…you.

My scumreads are Gypyx and Thomith, with a lean scum on Little Wil o Wisp. You're a nullread.

I've read five pages of the game plus the five in the neighborhood, ten in total. I started catching up in the neighborhood, reading it first; I came here immediately after.

To be sure, I've got nearly 30 pages I've yet to read; it's quite likely one of my townreads is wrong, and the information on why would be within the pages I've yet to read.

You aren't scum and in fact your content since makes me lean town.

[Ranger]

and look, i'm cool with being called defensive as long as you admit what you've been saying so far is 10x more guilty of it

I will certainly admit to sins I'm guilty of.

Near as I can tell, all I've done is share my reads and been critical of you, sharing my suspicion on you for your play and for your sketchy push on me for reasons that are demonstrably made in bad faith.

Not a single post of mine has been defending myself.

You seem awfully defensive about your read on me being called out for the nonsense it is though.

[Ranger]

{Titus}
{Oblivion}
{Snow2697, Hu Tao, Naerys}
{PenguinPower}
{KayJayQueue, Random Nurse}
{geraintm}
{Little Wil o' Wisp}
{Thomith}
{Gypyx}

[Ranger]

i guess on the offchance i'm wrong on something i'll hang back a bit, but i would really like you to drop some analysis ranger and less so stating broadly you think me / thomith are scum

That is certainly a fair request.

When I'm not dealing with the delirium of overheating, I'll be sure to share more transparently. You're owed an explanation as it goes both ways; I could certainly be wrong in my suspicion of you. Likely signing off for the night, should be recovered by tomorrow.

[Ranger]

it's especially cause i really don't get how you could legitimately end up scumreading me / thom and townreading snow / titus

It was off of the neighborhood vibes. Immediately, it felt like you were forcing it in the neighborhood. You were efforting there beyond what felt natural. It looked like you were focusing on appearing town, rather than being town. Similarly, the idea of 2 scum with one traitor felt TMI, and originated from you/Thomith. You and Thomith have been, as a pair, coordinating in the neighborhood and browbeating the more timid members into going along with your narrative.

All in all, it has felt like you were basically openly communicating with a scumbuddy within, having identified each other, and are using that to control the game and steer it in the direction you desire.

In contrast, Snow comes off as newbtown and Titus is acting exactly as I feel a town-her would in a neighborhood. I've extensive experience with Titus as town and can confidently say her content there is +town.

It's certainly possible she

could

be scum, just as it's possible I could be wrong about my read of you/Thomith. However, that is what I saw. I can't directly quote the neighborhood here obviously, yet I can quote the posts in the neighborhood and paraphrase what posts led me to this conclusion here.

I should state this will likely have to wait until Monday or more realistically, Tuesday; though I've recovered physically, I do celebrate Easter Sunday with family, then have Transgender Day of Visibility to celebrate with chosen family after.

I'll squeeze it in sooner if I can, yet if you don't see me follow through until then, that's why.

[Ranger]

As someone who's frequently AFK due to work and IRL chaos I can sympathize with Ranger being sick and needing time. Obviously Ranger could still be Scum. Are we that close to deadline that Ranger can't be given some breathing room to feel better after this nausea event?

Yesterday, we had seven days.

I sadly will waste around three for personal affairs, between recovering, Easter, and then a booked day Monday. That still leaves four days, where I'll be explaining my reads, catching up, and contributing, giving plenty of time to find any elimination you want.

[Ranger]

This is not a question of if we need time, i just hope you realize that the less time we give scum!Ranger to craft a more coherent story the more likely it is we catch her

The more time you give to a town-Ranger the more dangerous she becomes as well.

Funny how that works.

[Ranger]

Ranger I'm sorry you had to replace into a scum slot

I'm so sorry to disappoint you; you're in for a shock.

[Ranger]

In what world am I the top read?

In the world where Thomith and Gypyx are scum in the neighborhood, by default you would be town, especially given your opposition to them.

Even separately of that, your opposition to them is +town regardless of your alignment. You are demonstrably frustrated at being outvoted and outgunned. Your way may not be the only way, but when you don't get it, it affects you. A scum-Titus is also more likely to get her way. That you didn't speaks towards you being town. If you were scum I would expect your voice to carry more weight in there, yet your voice there is a minority. It speaks towards you not having the normal sway signature to a scum-Titus hood.

Additionally, nobody's strongly town. You're the most town

from what I've read

, yet my reads are still fluid and in the process of forming, as I've many more pages to read.

You'd be the first to point out the signs I'm pointing to aren't

strongly

indicators of a town-Titus, and you're right; you're not locked as town. You're temporarily my top townread, yet to be seen where you'll land overall. I have you as +town, by an uncertain margin, because though not locked as town, I think the signs are still

promising

for town.

[Ranger]

(It is asking how both these players came to view it as town, to be clear).

I admit my read on you was colored by having read the neighborhood, having seen their predesigned push on Snow, and your opposition to it in a way I felt strongly indicated you're not partnered with Thomith or Gypyx. You demonstrated a lack of knowledge of the neighborhood, by correctly naming just about every neighborhood member as stinking from their push.

Unless the scumteam has no members within the neighborhood or failed to report the neighborhood to the scum PT, then your lack of knowledge suggests you are unaligned with the scumteam.

[Ranger]

I'm just going to say right now I hate "towncores/townblocks" in general. Too easy to shield experienced Scum.

unless there is a mechanical reason for it, then this

Personally, I see the value in working together with those you vibe with--temporarily. All too often, paranoia consumes us and we break the alliance before it ought to have been broken; far too many times, we break it in the wrong way and reassert townreads on the person who was the one that needed to be cut.

Reads are best as fluid. So too should memberships of a towncore be. If a townblock is formed, it's okay to have the block maintained

loosely

throughout the game, while still acknowledging members from it are not as worthy as they were and others are more worthy than they once were. Working together is a valuable skill, compromising a valuable skill, seeing other perspectives a valuable skill, and a good towncore is made up of those who can do this while still acknowledging their members may contain skilled scum, yet are not guaranteed to.

[Ranger]

your read list barely changes. you not got tunneled on gypyx?

Being tunneled is an accusation often levied against me despite my very philosophy embodying the opposite. Generally, I hold a skeptical eye towards those doing so, as their callout usually carries an agenda; "X is tunneled" is oft synonymous with "X's reads are not to be trusted", and thus 'tunneled' is a charged term inherently carrying a negative connotation that detracts from the value of my contributions.

In this case, I've good reasons from the neighborhood to hold suspicion of Gypyx and Thomith, yet nothing is set in stone. I've already experienced doubts after engaging with Gypyx, as Gypyx's responses to me felt plausibly town. My reads are fluid and subject to change at a moment's notice. Notably, I've gained greater suspicion of you from this comment.

[Ranger]

Gypyx has been so obviously been trying to solve the game here and in the hood, that I doubt I'm wrong on this, but I see your point.

I don't see how Gypyx has been so obviously trying to solve the game. If she thought that the hood had 2 scums and she was town with you, this left 2 scums between me-Titus-Dave. And around 2 scums elsewhere. Then she should have focused on the hood and hunted for scums there. NAS lime and a hammer there makes zero sense in this set up.

Regardless of Gypyx's alignment, I vibe with this as good analysis. I haven't read the events in question to form an opinion on its validity, but I believe Snow thinks it valid, in a way I consider +town.

[Ranger]

oh also another reason i think Snow / Titus / Ranger are scum together

Generally, my philosophy on an outted neighborhood is, why would I say anything in the neighborhood which could be said inthread? Neighborhoods are seen by a minority, the gamethread is seen by all. There's exceptions to be made, off of nonpublic information within when applicable, yet by and large if something can be posted to the neighborhood, it can be posted to the gamethread and I prefer to use the place where everyone will see it.

I haven't read the neighborhood since my last post replying to you; I'll attend to it as I can, yet it will always be a secondary priority now that I know it's outted. An undisclosed neighborhood's my top priority; an outted neighborhood's my lowest.

[Ranger]

i would love to get more input from people outside of the hood

Personally I'd prefer to get more input from the neighborhood member Ranger; she's slacking imo.

[Ranger]

i would love to get more input from people outside of the hood

Personally I'd prefer to get more input from the neighborhood member Ranger; she's slacking imo.

She's only read 5 pages of the game, that's unacceptable. She needs to be held accountable for having not gotten caught up.

[Ranger]

I haven't changed my mind but I am wanting to give Ranger a chance if wrong.

Perhaps taking me off of L-2 and pursuing another avenue while I'm catching up would be conductive to information?

[Ranger]

I don't like Dave

It's a shame I replaced into the davesaz slot rather than a different slot, as were I any other slot I'd point to literally any past davesaz game to demonstrate he's consistently limbait; he always looks sus to everyone and nearly every game ends up close to eliminated at minimum, often appearing in the limlist. He's statistically speaking one of the most wagoned players on mafiascum.

If you're interested in me verifying this claim, I easily can as I mean it; he gets wagoned

nearly every single game

, because his playstyle is near-universally seen as sus.

However, as I am sadly the holder of the slot, instead, I can simply point you to

my

play, as evaluating off of my contributions is certainly easier for most. I'm a skilled enough scum player to warrant paranoia, and my actions can be seen as suspect. Yet, I am far more active and provide material easier to get a sense of with time.

That's part of why I saw the immediate call to lim me on replace-in as suspect; Ranger giving more content should be valuable

regardless

of my alignment. Were I scum, I'd be giving more material to identify my scumbuddies; because I'm town, I've a greater chance of demonstrating it and providing reads which can provide contributions into every day phase following made all the more valuable when I'm revealed town.

[Ranger]

VOTE: Hu Tao

Good luck with that one

Good luck with the nightmare to come if you get those 'two more votes' you're seeking.

[Ranger]

{Titus}
{Oblivion}
{Snow2697, Hu Tao}
{PenguinPower}
{KayJayQueue}
{Gypyx, Random Nurse}
{Naerys}
{Thomith}
{Little Wil o' Wisp}
{geraintm}

Loosely, from the new content; reminder I still need to read pages 6 - current.

[Ranger]

oops, forgot to move Snow up.

{Titus, Oblivion, Snow2697}
{Hu Tao}
{PenguinPower}
{KayJayQueue}
{Gypyx, Random Nurse}
{Naerys}
{Thomith}
{Little Wil o' Wisp}
{geraintm}

This feels more correct.

Second reminder; these reads aren't solidified. Any read can change at any moment, town or scum.

VOTE: geraintm

For now should pursue voting the bottom of the list regardless of who it is though.

[Ranger]

your read list barely changes. you not got tunneled on gypyx?

Being tunneled is an accusation often levied against me despite my very philosophy embodying the opposite. Generally, I hold a skeptical eye towards those doing so, as their callout usually carries an agenda; "X is tunneled" is oft synonymous with "X's reads are not to be trusted", and thus 'tunneled' is a charged term inherently carrying a negative connotation that detracts from the value of my contributions.

In this case, I've good reasons from the neighborhood to hold suspicion of Gypyx and Thomith, yet nothing is set in stone. I've already experienced doubts after engaging with Gypyx, as Gypyx's responses to me felt plausibly town. My reads are fluid and subject to change at a moment's notice. Notably, I've gained greater suspicion of you from this comment.

elaborate on how i'm plausibly town please

My reads are fluid and never perfect. My reads in this game especially so, given they’re not strong.

I was suspicious of your neighborhood content, as well as both your initial pages content and the push against me when replacing in, yet I’m aware of my own biases. I not only know my alignment, I also have my initial reads colored by my own philosophy of what I would be doing as town/scum.

Though your play matches what I'd do as scum and not what I'd do as town, you’re not me. Your playstyle, philosophy, and stances differ, and my initial negative thoughts about you are potentially wrong because of these differences.

Additionally, you gave me the benefit of the doubt, backing down after engaging with me. Talking rather than ignoring is a skill few scum players willingly employ, which doesn’t match well my initial assessment of you.

I’m still sorting, and have to get a better feeling for every interaction, especially once I have read the entire game thread.

[Ranger]

Why would me/gypyx being scum make Titus town by default?

I don’t believe a three scum neighborhood would pass review. It’d violate the spirit, despite following the letter.

[Ranger]

So my posts since you've been in the game.put me as most likely scum??
Why?

Your stances have seemed fairly sus, when not mobile I can demonstrate.

[Ranger]

You’re entitled to your opinion; I maintain mine.

[Ranger]

Hmmm

Hmmm indeed.

VOTE: Naerys

[Ranger]

{Titus, Oblivion, Snow2697}
{Hu Tao}
{PenguinPower}
{KayJayQueue}
{geraintm}
{Gypyx, Random Nurse}
{Thomith}
{Little Wil o' Wisp}
{Naerys}

[Ranger]

Ranger, I think Snow is very likely scum. Can't follow that. Nor do I follow your gypyx/Thom reads

I've vibed with Snow's contributions and haven't vibed with those of Gypyx/Thomith. I'll give more tomorrow.

[Ranger]

Why are you suspecting Naerys/Willow?

Naerys is coasting by, when I know Naerys is capable of far more than this.

I very strongly suspect she’s scum content with the gamestate.

There’s a wagon on town with literally zero counterwagon, nor any effort to mount a serious attempt at one.

Everyone not voting me is vanity voting because nobody is seriously pursuing a different elimination.

Especially in the event Gypyx is town, that would mean town is pushing town. A town-Naerys should be dissatisfied with this, and be strongly pursuing alternatives.

A scum-Naerys would be sipping a drink and laying back, not wanting to interrupt town making a mistake.

[Ranger]

Why are you suspecting Willow?

I was thoroughly unimpressed with the content I had seen from Will o' Wisp.

I currently remain unimpressed by Lycanfire, although I know he'll be reading the entire game. It’ll be interesting cross-referencing his takes with mine, as I get them, since my read through will happen tomorrow about six hours from this time.

[Ranger]

Well I’m not voting Naerys. I don’t understand that vote. I’m willing to vote the Ranger/Dave-slot once she’s fully caught up if nothing really changes, I just didn’t want to be an ass and put her at e-1 when she asked for time to catch up. And now we have yet another person getting replaced.

Perhaps consider reading my content and using it to reflect on your stances rather than assuming I should be eliminated immediately after providing my thoughts.

[Ranger]

Hey guys in town

If I had known it was this easy to demonstrate my alignment, I would’ve entered with this!

Never too late, I suppose.

Hey everyone, I’m town.

[Ranger]

There’s a wagon on town with literally zero counterwagon, nor any effort to mount a serious attempt at one.

This in particular feels like it should raise eyes for those on my wagon or those supportive of it.

Where's the effort to save a scum slot? There’s none. It’s not like the slot is guiltied or doomed. It can very easily be salvaged.

Yet my wagon is the only one to have existed since I replaced in four days ago.

Critical thinking skills would indicate a scumteam not invigorated by my presence, or a scumteam content with the gamestate.

Personally I’ve found my presence a boon to scum morale, so I know which option I favor.

Given scum content with the gamestate, who would be the likely candidates for being scum?

[Ranger]

I felt somewhat better about Ranger, but I did not like and understand her vote into Naerys.

I am second-guessing the idea of Gypyx-scum. This also comes with a need to second-guess Thomith as scum, too.

Given the potential for the main pushers to be town and for the main pushed to be town, I would expect scum to be among those not trying to shift the gamestate.

Naerys tops the charts in that category. She’s not pushing her votes, despite allegedly being dissatisfied.

I consider that +scum.

[Ranger]

Titus and Ranger - what puzzles me is that they suspected people in the hood, but voted outside. So they are close.

Perhaps I should clarify.

I initially was suspicious of Gypyx.
I initially was separately suspicious of Thomith.

I was further suspicious of their in-neighborhood interactions being that of scumbuddies. The idea of traitor + groupscum screamed TMI, with me believing one to be the traitor and the other, groupscum.

However, I am second-guessing my initial thoughts.

I have no preconceived notion there must be scum in the neighborhood. It wouldn’t at all surprise me if an Alianna twist in the game is an all-town neighborhood with the

expectation

of scum within having been subverted.

I believe we should be scumhunting off of reads, not setup speculation from a mod known to subvert and twist Normal expectations.

When I had suspicion on two members of the neighborhood, I was pushing within.

With my doubts, I think it better to push my main scumread rn, who happens to be outside the neighborhood.

[Ranger]

Is the plan for today that we vote inside the neighborhood, no matter which player it is?

Not if you want to hit scum.

[quote=KayJayQueue post_id=14145090 post_num=957 time=1712013958 user_id=37365
It feels like it’s nearly a forgone conclusion that at least one of the five is scum. [/quote] That’s certainly the standard.

I refuse to opt into following it blindly and turning off brains.

I’m trying to think if there’s even a possibility of another lim going through other than Ranger here since we need 7 votes.

Always. As long as town remain open-minded and are present, there’s no elimination impossible.

Assuming there isn’t any possible alternatives is pure laziness.

We’ve had two fresh replacements.

That’s two fresh sets of eyes.

We’ve four days remaining.

That’s plenty of time.

The question isn’t if it’s possible.

The question is why hasn't it already happened, despite the potential.

[Ranger]

I think ranger is gonna be the Elim

Certainly, if you continue an adamant refusal to nourish critical thinking.

[Ranger]

Acceptable but not preferred. Dave was sus and Ranger's reads (mostly) are bad. I would prefer to work with bussing though.

There’s a Flaw in your logic, Titus.

[Ranger]

It feels like a.lot of bad faith voting going on at the moment.

I just can't work out who

Certainly. Your stances are among the bad faith ones.

[Ranger]

There are so many inactives/not voting that I'm worried.

It’s almost like the scum have no reason to interrupt the town in the middle of them making a mistake.

[Ranger]

Last time i checked stalled gamestate means town is on the right track and scum don't wanna cooperate

Last I checked, towns on the right track don’t stall.

They either push through with scum giving up, or face strong resistance because scum aren’t.

Towns stalling is the hallmark of a town which

thinks

it’s on the right track, and scum deliberately not correcting them.

I'd like to reiterate there’s no counterwagon to me.

How often does a lack of counterwagon indicate scum are being wagoned?

To be sure, not 0%; scum do occasionally give up, and demoralized scum make no effort to fight the loss.

I'd wager statistically speaking, no counterwagon is because the wagoned player is town. By a vast statistically significant majority. Over 80% of cases.

[Ranger]

Last time i checked stalled gamestate means town is on the right track and scum don't wanna cooperate

it can also mean town is on the wrong track and scum have no incentive to derail

Precisely.

Why are you helping the scum with their goal?

[Ranger]

i really just want the nonvoters to do something today

Perhaps they'd have incentive to if it's not universally accepted I’ll be the elimination?

Perhaps dissuading the notion would be beneficial to achieving your desire?

Perhaps you'd care to assist in forcing their hand?

[Ranger]

agreed with penguin too, this lack of passion is extremely sad to bear witness to

Again, a town on the right track isn’t passionless.

A lack of passion is when they

aren’t

in the right ballpark.

[Ranger]

The issue is Ranger gives the vibe of "I am smarter than you I'm the best I can escape anything" and it notes they are being more open to those who may hold their fate.

Do not confuse playstyle with alignment.

I am

very

snarky when I’m wagoned, because I know my alignment and know those who see me as scum are wrong.

I gloat my way to the dead thread saying I did warn them.

I am open to everyone; I engage those who happen to have the most material to engage with.

I do make the strategic decision to talk most with those typically most active, because they are more likely to provide feedback.

These all have no bearing on alignment.

For that, you can refer to what I am doing and my visual lack of scumbuddies.

It can't tell if the ego is normal for them

Not ego, justified confidence.

I can be wrong about my reads.

There’s one player I for sure know the alignment of and I’m confident she’s town.

[Ranger]

Are....you always this self absorbed? It wants to vote you just for being annoying, frankly.

Though I'm certainly annoying, I'm far from self-absorbed.

You wanted information on the vibe of "I know better than you, and I can escape".

I provided the answer; there’s one thing I know better than you, and it’s my role PM. I express snarkiness towards those suspicious of me because I know they're wrong; as such, I make efforts to tell them so a dissuade them from continuing to be wrong, and up the Snark if they fail to, as they've only themselves to blame, given my efforts to reach out to them.

If I am to be eliminated regardless, I choose to let people know precisely the mistakes they're making in their insistence.

I do tone it down on request, as I know better than to cross boundaries in a game. Snark for banter is part of the game, Snark which feels mean-spirited crosses the line and everyone has a different threshold for where they draw the line between the two. Let me know where you fall.

[Ranger]

Ranger talking about Ranger is pretty typical. If they start calling themselves a god of scumplay, though, that's when they might have a red pm.

I believe you have me confused for someone else.

I will certainly provide pertinent information about general methodology. How my readslists work, my philosophies, how I form reads, and why I snark.

I only do so when asked to, in order to provide clarity.

I’ve no reputation for talking about myself, nor have I ever talked about my skill as scum. You may be thinking of a different player who has those traits.

Ranger I'm at page 13, what about you? I have notes if you want em.

As I remain mobile, still page 5 for the next 5 hours or so.

I'd love to see them, although I won't read them until I have.

[Ranger]

you have this over inflated sense of self importance.

Name a town player, particularly when wagoned, who doesn’t.

I have no sense of my reads being important, nor would I ask for trust in them.

I do know my alignment, and have the right to snark at those who get it wrong.

I don’t ask for trust in my alignment. I do snark at those who get it wrong, particularly after I've made efforts to reach out to them.

If someone still reads me wrong despite my efforts to help them, then I'm not the problem of the two involved.

It does not think "justified confidence" is different than egotism, in this case. Especially since your response to being told you appear to have a large ego is to go "it's not ego if I'm just right all the time".

As I have access to my role PM, I inherently am right all the time about my alignment.

I maintain zero ego towards my reads on others, as they are fluid, not strong, and will never be perfect.

I've justified ego towards my read on Ranger, as she’s the one player I know I will never get my read wrong on.

Can you at least pretend you are solving

Perhaps you can refer to every post I have made which hasn't been clarifying playstyle.

Those make up 90% of my iso.

Just a thought.

[Ranger]

Ranger, I’ve been waiting patiently for you to catch up. You had been reading page by page originally. Are you caught up?

No. I'm mobile for the next 5 hours. I will catch up then.

I am remaining caught up on the current pages.

Pages 6-35, I've yet to.

Where exactly are you on reads/do you have an updated reads list?

I do, I'm just sadly out of time until I'm not mobile. It's going to take too much time on a phone rn, and my fiancé is waiting for me rn.

Life > game. I'll provide the starting point just before I resume my read through.

[Ranger]

I would very much appreciate for the hood to be solved today, and even if we were solving outside of it, Naerys is pretty obviously flailing town

I personally prefer to eliminate scum over trying to arbitrarily force a solve in a group which may as well be RNG'd, and disagree with your take.

[Ranger]

Ranger doesn't look awful on the catch up, but not sure what to do with that just yet.

If you are town, have you perhaps considered...reevaluating?

Including on biases towards assumptions a neighborhood must have scum within?

If you believe Titus is scum from her play that is fine; if you believe Titus is scum because she's the scummiest in the hood that is not.
If you believe Snow is scum from his play that is fine; if you believe Snow is scum because he's the scummiest in the hood that is not.
If you believe I am scum from my play that is fine; if you believe I'm the scummiest in the hood that is not.

We should not be aiming to eliminate the scummiest player in the neighborhood; we should be aiming to eliminate the scummiest player in the game.

[Ranger]

Can you just vote ranger

This tunnel of yours is becoming less and less believable the longer you cling to it in absence of all other content.

You've provided nothing since I've replaced in except telling people to keep voting me; you've mentioned nothing about any other slot in the game.

[Ranger]

{PenguinPower}
{Titus, Oblivion, Snow2697, KayJayQueue}
{geraintm, Gypyx, Random Nurse, Thomith}
{Lycanfire}
{Hu Tao}
{Naerys}

This is my starting point rn, loosely speaking.

PenguinPower's vibes are lean town.
The tier below is loosely 'lean town, yet need to reconsider'. Titus I don't remember why, yet something made me doubt my townread there and I need to find what. Oblivion, I'm somewhat doubting my townread there, pending whether Oblivion itself is obnoxious. Snow vibes as town yet not as strongly, I'm second guessing. KayJayQueue is actually unaffected; the others got demoted to the KayJayQueue level of before.

The next tier is loosely 'lean scum, yet need to reconsider'. geraintm feels like he should be lower, but I'm not sure how much lower than Random Nurse who also feels low. And Gypyx and Thomith are keystone players. If they're both scum, it affects who is town/scum dramatically; if they're both town, it affects who is scum/town drastically. Depending on their alignment we get potentially two entirely different solves.

Lycanfire's content feels a little lackluster. On the one hand I feel his reads are very good, and he is certainly making efforts to work with me, and these are traits which mean even were he scum I'd not want to eliminate him. On the other hand, he's a skilled enough scum player to make readslists which look good and the effort to work with me isn't clearing as much as I would love it to be. I

want

him to be town, I really really WANT him to be town, but he vibes as scum to me.

Hu Tao's vastly underperforming her talents as town. Vastly. A one-dimensional tunnel on my slot is far beneath her capacities as town.

Starting P6 now.

[Ranger]

{PenguinPower}
{KayJayQueue}
{Gypyx}
{Titus, Oblivion, Snow2697}
{Random Nurse, Thomith}
{geraintm}
{Lycanfire}
{Naerys}
{Hu Tao}

P6

[Ranger]

{PenguinPower}
{Snow2697}
{KayJayQueue}
{Gypyx}
{Titus}
{Oblivion}
{Random Nurse}
{Thomith}
{geraintm}
{Lycanfire}
{Naerys}
{Hu Tao}

P7

[Ranger]

{PenguinPower}
{Snow2697}
{KayJayQueue}
{Gypyx}
{Titus}
{Oblivion}
{Random Nurse}
{geraintm}
{Thomith}
{Naerys}
{Lycanfire}
{Hu Tao}

P8

[Ranger]

{PenguinPower}
{Snow2697}
{KayJayQueue}
{Gypyx}
{Titus}
{Random Nurse}
{Oblivion}
{geraintm}
{Thomith}
{Naerys}
{Lycanfire}
{Hu Tao}

P9

[Ranger]

{PenguinPower}
{Gypyx}
{KayJayQueue}
{Snow2697}
{Random Nurse}
{Titus}
{Oblivion}
{Thomith}
{Naerys}
{geraintm}
{Lycanfire}
{Hu Tao}

P10

[Ranger]

{PenguinPower}
{Gypyx}
{Snow2697}
{KayJayQueue}
{Random Nurse}
{Titus}
{Oblivion}
{geraintm}
{Thomith}
{Naerys}
{Lycanfire}
{Hu Tao}

P11

[Ranger]

{PenguinPower}
{Gypyx}
{KayJayQueue}
{Snow2697}
{Random Nurse}
{Titus}
{Naerys}
{Oblivion}
{geraintm}
{Thomith}
{Lycanfire}
{Hu Tao}

P12 (no, that's not Naerys up; that's

all of those names

down)

[Ranger]

Hey game is dead. Wonder why? Wisp is prolly town.

Wait a minute...

...Titus, why did this logic apply to the Wisp wagon, yet not apply now to the Ranger wagon?

[Ranger]

{PenguinPower}
{Gypyx}
{KayJayQueue}
{Snow2697}
{Random Nurse}
{geraintm}
{Naerys}
{Oblivion}
{Thomith}
{Titus}
{Lycanfire}
{Hu Tao}

P13

[Ranger]

VOTE: Hu Tao

[Ranger]

{KayJayQueue, Gypyx}
{PenguinPower}
{Naerys}
{Snow2697}
{Thomith}
{Random Nurse}
{geraintm}
{Oblivion}
{Titus}
{Lycanfire}
{Hu Tao}

P14

[Ranger]

{KayJayQueue}
{Gypyx}
{geraintm, Thomith}
{PenguinPower}
{Naerys}
{Snow2697}
{Lycanfire}
{Oblivion}
{Random Nurse}
{Titus}
{Hu Tao}

P15

[Ranger]

I’m

thrilled

! Now quick…give some reads

Hi

thrilled

!

I'm here to oblige.

{KayJayQueue}
{geraintm, Thomith}
{Gypyx}
{PenguinPower}
{Naerys}
{Snow2697}
{Lycanfire}
{Oblivion}
{Random Nurse}
{Titus}
{Hu Tao}

P16

[Ranger]

{KayJayQueue, PenguinPower}
{Thomith}
{geraintm}
{Gypyx}
{Naerys}
{Snow2697}
{Lycanfire}
{Oblivion}
{Random Nurse}
{Titus}
{Hu Tao}

P17

[Ranger]

{KayJayQueue, PenguinPower}
{Thomith}
{geraintm}
{Gypyx}
{Naerys}
{Snow2697}
{Lycanfire}
{Oblivion}
{Random Nurse}
{Titus}
{Hu Tao}

P18

[Ranger]

{KayJayQueue, PenguinPower}
{Thomith}
{geraintm}
{Gypyx}
{Naerys}
{Snow2697}
{Random Nurse}
{Oblivion}
{Lycanfire}
{Titus}
{Hu Tao}

P19

[Ranger]

{KayJayQueue, PenguinPower}
{Thomith}
{geraintm, Gypyx}
{Naerys}
{Snow2697}
{Random Nurse}
{Oblivion}
{Lycanfire}
{Titus}
{Hu Tao}

P21

[Ranger]

{KayJayQueue, PenguinPower}
{Thomith}
{geraintm, Gypyx}
{Naerys}
{Snow2697}
{Random Nurse}
{Lycanfire}
{Oblivion}
{Titus}
{Hu Tao}

P22

[Ranger]

{KayJayQueue, PenguinPower, Thomith}
{geraintm}
{Gypyx}
{Random Nurse}
{Naerys}
{Snow2697}
{Lycanfire}
{Oblivion}
{Titus}
{Hu Tao}

P23

[Ranger]

{KayJayQueue, PenguinPower, Thomith}
{geraintm}
{Gypyx}
{Random Nurse}
{Snow2697}
{Naerys}
{Lycanfire}
{Oblivion}
{Titus}
{Hu Tao}

P24

[Ranger]

{KayJayQueue, PenguinPower, Thomith}
{geraintm}
{Snow2697}
{Random Nurse}
{Gypyx}
{Naerys}
{Lycanfire}
{Oblivion}
{Titus}
{Hu Tao}

P25

[Ranger]

{KayJayQueue, PenguinPower, Thomith}
{geraintm}
{Snow2697}
{Random Nurse}
{Naerys}
{Lycanfire}
{Gypyx}
{Oblivion}
{Titus}
{Hu Tao}

P26

[Ranger]

{PenguinPower, Thomith}
{KayJayQueue}
{Random Nurse}
{Snow2697}
{geraintm}
{Naerys}
{Lycanfire}
{Gypyx}
{Oblivion}
{Titus}
{Hu Tao}

P27

[Ranger]

We are playing with the

assumption

that at least 1 person in the neighbourhood is bad. There's always a chance (even though imo it's pretty small) that there is 0.

Thus why pidgeonholing the game into eliminating within is a bad idea.

It's quite possible there is scum within; I currently suspect Titus. However, this should come from play, not arbitrary setup speculation.

{PenguinPower, Thomith, KayJayQueue}
{Random Nurse}
{Snow2697}
{geraintm}
{Naerys}
{Lycanfire}
{Gypyx}
{Oblivion}
{Titus}
{Hu Tao}

P28

[Ranger]

{PenguinPower, Thomith, KayJayQueue}
{Random Nurse}
{Snow2697}
{geraintm}
{Naerys}
{Lycanfire}
{Gypyx}
{Oblivion}
{Titus}
{Hu Tao}

P29

[Ranger]

{PenguinPower, Thomith, KayJayQueue}
{Random Nurse}
{Snow2697}
{Gypyx}
{Naerys}
{geraintm}
{Lycanfire}
{Oblivion}
{Titus}
{Hu Tao}

P30

[Ranger]

{PenguinPower, Thomith, KayJayQueue}
{Random Nurse}
{Gypyx}
{Snow2697}
{Naerys}
{geraintm}
{Lycanfire}
{Oblivion}
{Titus}
{Hu Tao}

P31

[Ranger]

{PenguinPower, Thomith, KayJayQueue, Random Nurse}
{Gypyx, Snow2697}
{Naerys}
{geraintm}
{Lycanfire}
{Oblivion}
{Titus}
{Hu Tao}

P32

[Ranger]

{PenguinPower, Thomith, KayJayQueue, Random Nurse}
{Gypyx, Snow2697}
{Naerys}
{geraintm}
{Lycanfire}
{Oblivion}
{Titus}
{Hu Tao}

P32

Well, I just did an entire page and a half of readslists with nobody else contributing.

Wrapping up here; it's both where I replaced in and fairly late.

I realize you'll likely want explanations, review of the later pages, current reflections, etc.

As usual, the most effective way to ask me about a read trajectory is to ask me what changed a read on a specific page. For instance, what changed between 31 and 31, what changed between 23 and 24, etc.

Falling asleep now, be back tomorrow.

I very strongly believe this is Hu Tao as scum. Let me ask you; have you see Hu Tao give a single read other than "davesaz/Ranger scum"?
Does this match your experience with Hu Tao as town?
It doesn't match mine.

Hu Tao as town gives some of the most thorough indepth analysis a town player can give; this Hu Tao has one single read repeated ad nauseum since the beginning of the game.

[Ranger]

It's prior experience with NAS is that NAS does not appear to be willing to offer much information in general, but it did see NAS play as scum and it wonders if this doesn't look slightly different? It feels... like a full model is escaping it but a partial model suggests this version of NAS is less defensive in nature.

This is your page 22 scumread?

Sorta? It didn't vibe well, yet wasn't strongly scum.

[Ranger]

I'll say before bed; you all really

have

slacked.

I'm usually not topping the post charts; despite replacing in half a week ago, I'm already the third-highest poster and climbing.

[Ranger]

The site rudely went down as I was posting this.

Is that the entirety of your Hu Tao case?

Sorta?

Hu Tao has done nothing but empty tunnel davesaz (and now me), without reassessing. The 'different behavior' Hu Tao spotted

could

have been thanks to davesaz being in a neighborhood, yet after this came to light, Hu Tao didn't consider it at all. She doubled down on the tunnel. Which is an easy push to make. What's your experience with davesaz, Lycanfire? Would you say he's a particularly difficult player to push? Or is he a very easy player to push, often limbait?

I feel both the choice of player to push, the reason for it, and the lack of anything beyond, all are suspect from

any

player. That I literally just finished a game where Hu Tao was town and was analyzing every player in the game makes Hu Tao's tunnel here all the more jarring. Hu Tao should have a much higher posted count, and have much longer posts, and have more slots analyzed, and be pushing harder, and have more reasoning, than what she's given here. It's completely different from her towngame.

I feel a town Hu Tao would have been dissatisfied with the stagnant gamestate. I feel a town Hu Tao would have been pushing harder, more invested. This Hu Tao is practically a lurker, just skirting by.

On top of that, there's a simple matter of PoE.

Hu Tao has done nothing town.

Everyone else in the game has, even Titus, even Oblivion (both who I suspect), even your slot (ambivalent), and every slot from geraintm above.

Hu Tao's only contribution has been pushing a single slot, one I know to be town, for reasons I know to be bad.

It's not slamdunk, but in a game with such lackluster content it's better than any case anybody else has put forward.



Be back later.

[Ranger]

I'll say before bed; you all really

have

slacked.

I'm usually not topping the post charts; despite replacing in half a week ago, I'm already the third-highest poster and climbing.

I’m not 100% positive if you are at E-1 or E-2 but once we get a vote count my intent is to either put you at E-1 or hammer, whichever it is. I think we’d all appreciate a claim at this point. I won’t hammer without a claim but I can’t guarantee any one else won’t either.

I’m busy until tomorrow, so I can’t address how terrible the votes on me are.

I feel given the site downtime and how horrendous the votes on me are, I’m owed a chance to respond to them and for the wagon to be given a chance to dissipate without the need for a claim.

If you or others disagree, then sure, I can claim, yet you are being foolish for not critically examining how awful the vote pileon is and why it

shouldn’t

merit forcing me to claim.

[Ranger]

I mean, if you're scum Hu Tao is pretty townie. You'll need to prove her guilt or your innocence through other means.

My play speaks to my alignment as hers I feel does to hers.

I made my case on why I feel her contributions are so suspect and

they’re literally yours

. Had the site not prevented my post from going through, I'd have posted that approximately 10 hours ago, immediately after you asked and before you shared. I shouldn’t need to convince you of her scumminess when

your reasons mirror my own

.

There isn’t a single valid reason for voting me and the votes on me are obviously terrible if observed. There’s no need to prove my innocence because my role PM does it for me, and there’s no guilt to be defended against.

[Ranger]

I'd like for you to claim Ranger.

Not VT, but with a role I both would prefer not to claim which also wouldn’t save me if I did.

If you don’t think I’m town by play, my role isn’t going to magically change your mind.

Again. I would prefer to demonstrate why the votes on me are so terrible and why there’s no valid reason I should be voted.

I can’t do that today, yet easily can tomorrow.

If you really insist on hearing it, then I shall, yet it will be exactly as I said; You’ll see why I'd prefer to have not claimed and also why it won’t make a difference.

[Ranger]

This is its shocked face.

Wait until you realize what davesaz's role actually was.

[Ranger]

Again, to reiterate, I am still at work. As such, don’t expect a response while I’m actively working. (I finish in about an hour.) Next post chance will be after, and only if I neglect my fiancé to make it.

[Ranger]

I don’t think anyone should be discrediting every person that’s voting you just because you say it’s wrong.

Of course not.

They should be discrediting the votes by looking at the reasons for the votes and seeing

how terrible they are

.

Late, bbl.

[Ranger]

You saying votes are not for valid reasons seems like an unfair assessment of the effort we are putting into solving.

Clearly not. My assessment of the amount of solving being done is accurate as I’ve done more effort to solve the game in five days than any player has the entire game.

And I can state that as objective fact.

The accuracy of my solve is up for debate.

That I have done it and far more than nearly any other slot isn’t; it’s an objectively true fact.

[Ranger]

You saying votes are not for valid reasons seems like

an unfair assessment of the effort we are putting into solving

.

I do find it slightly odd that

there hasn’t been any kind of real counter wagon

. That might be my only hesitation currently.

Perhaps consider the contradiction behind the bolded.

[Ranger]

You saying votes are not for valid reasons seems like

an unfair assessment of the effort we are putting into solving

.

I do find it slightly odd that

there hasn’t been any kind of real counter wagon

. That might be my only hesitation currently.

Perhaps consider the contradiction behind the bolded.

To be more explicit;

You cannot seriously claim there’s been solving while also ignoring there’s no counterwagon, half the game isn’t voting, and

no critical analysis of the votes given has been provided

.

Have you looked at the reason for Random Nurse's revote of me?

How about Oblivion?

How about Titus?

Did you look at those reasons for voting and think, "this is valid, this seems to track, I have no disagreements with this"?

I’m willing to bet you didn’t.

So if you didn’t have that thought...

...Where's the alleged effort into solving?

[Ranger]

Either scum are delaying or are comfortable. But here is the thing. There is suddenly an upshooting of possible wagons off Ranger now that Ranger is tryharding. It is almost as if the scum team got an injection of motivation with a replacement player.

Almost like they were threatened by a shift in the gamestate and are worried it’s no longer comfortable.

Offing me rids them of an inconvenience in their preferences.

[Ranger]

It is almost as if the scum team got an injection of motivation with a replacement player.

Is that accurate? If the scum team includes Ranger and she’s pretty likely to be limmed, wouldn’t a motivated team be aiding in this somehow? Unless I’ve overlooked some posts, I can always go back and reread but it currently seems like everyone is at least content with the Ranger vote. That is slightly worrying to me. Does anyone else have an opinion on lack of counter? Is this just paranoia?

No. That’s critical thinking.

I know who the scum are killing once I flip town.

[Ranger]

Have you been paying attention to the manner in which Ranger carries herself? It has. Ranger is the type to go into a scum chat and tell them she is the best scum player in the world, and that she will never die today if they don't bus, and direct them and give them a game plan.

Though I’ve no idea what a scum Ranger would do, I’m quite certain that isn’t it.

My philosophy carries into scum PTs. I don’t plan, I just do.

Perhaps you’re confusing me with someone else?

[Ranger]

In essence? Ranger is try harding and the gamestate is warping around her as a result. It views the manner in which the gamestate is warping to be scum driven,

Well I certainly agree with this take.

Almost like it carries an implication you’re deliberately ignoring.

[Ranger]

I feel like I’m defending myself for trying to play the game.

What a coincidence, so am I!

My argument in part is that the wagon on me, with no counterwagon, is

deliberately designed to prevent players from playing the game

.

It warps the game around me and makes the game entirely about me.

I didn’t sign up for that, nor did I cause it. My efforts have consistently been to

dissuade

that gamestate, as there’s never anything good to come from focusing entirely on one player.

My question to you is

why have my efforts failed?

Why is the game entirely still about me?

I certainly would prefer it otherwise!

So why do I remain the sole focus of players

despite

my efforts?

It’s almost like me remaining the focus is beneficial to scum.

I know which alignment that implies for me.

[Ranger]

I was very eager for your input especially since Dave didn’t really give me a ton to go off of. I guess I’m just not used to a play style like yours and I’ll have to adjust to it.

Perhaps you could look at the input I gave, then?

I gave page by page changes in my reads.

Did any stick out to you? Did you even

look

at them?

I gave a basic summary of my reads after I got to my replace-in spot. Did you read my rundown of each slot?

I work best by letting players engage with my content, and elaborating on it when they do.

So why is the engagement so low?

People wanted contributions from my slot.

I gave them

. So why are they pretending I haven’t?

[Ranger]

Ranger can you please give explanations for these reads more than just names in a list?

I explain the changes when engaged on them.

As for explaining the reads, you apparently need a read yourself.

[Ranger]

{PenguinPower, Thomith, KayJayQueue, Random Nurse}
{Gypyx, Snow2697}
{Naerys}
{geraintm}
{Lycanfire}
{Oblivion}
{Titus}
{Hu Tao}

P32

Well, I just did an entire page and a half of readslists with nobody else contributing.

Wrapping up here; it's both where I replaced in and fairly late.

I realize you'll likely want explanations

, review of the later pages, current reflections, etc.

As usual,

the most effective way to ask me about a read trajectory is to ask me what changed a read on a specific page

. For instance, what changed between 31 and 31, what changed between 23 and 24, etc.

Falling asleep now, be back tomorrow.

I very strongly believe this is Hu Tao as scum. Let me ask you; have you see Hu Tao give a single read other than "davesaz/Ranger scum"?
Does this match your experience with Hu Tao as town?
It doesn't match mine.

Hu Tao as town gives some of the most thorough indepth analysis a town player can give; this Hu Tao has one single read repeated ad nauseum since the beginning of the game.

I literally told you how to engage with me here.

[Ranger]

{PenguinPower}
{Titus, Oblivion, Snow2697, KayJayQueue}
{geraintm, Gypyx, Random Nurse, Thomith}
{Lycanfire}
{Hu Tao}
{Naerys}

This is my starting point rn, loosely speaking.

PenguinPower's vibes are lean town.
The tier below is loosely 'lean town, yet need to reconsider'. Titus I don't remember why, yet something made me doubt my townread there and I need to find what. Oblivion, I'm somewhat doubting my townread there, pending whether Oblivion itself is obnoxious. Snow vibes as town yet not as strongly, I'm second guessing. KayJayQueue is actually unaffected; the others got demoted to the KayJayQueue level of before.

The next tier is loosely 'lean scum, yet need to reconsider'. geraintm feels like he should be lower, but I'm not sure how much lower than Random Nurse who also feels low. And Gypyx and Thomith are keystone players. If they're both scum, it affects who is town/scum dramatically; if they're both town, it affects who is scum/town drastically. Depending on their alignment we get potentially two entirely different solves.

Lycanfire's content feels a little lackluster. On the one hand I feel his reads are very good, and he is certainly making efforts to work with me, and these are traits which mean even were he scum I'd not want to eliminate him. On the other hand, he's a skilled enough scum player to make readslists which look good and the effort to work with me isn't clearing as much as I would love it to be. I

want

him to be town, I really really WANT him to be town, but he vibes as scum to me.

Hu Tao's vastly underperforming her talents as town. Vastly. A one-dimensional tunnel on my slot is far beneath her capacities as town.

Starting P6 now.

I also gave a full breakdown of every slot at the beginning, as well as providing clarifiers as I went.

I could have sworn I did another follow through after finishing rehashing these, although it’s possible I was planning it as a final post after responding to Lycan and the site downtime prevented me from it.

[Ranger]

Don’t accuse me of not explaining when the actual issue lies in not reading what I did.

[Ranger]

Writing this and then quoting 3 of my accusations at you and "refuting" them with "no, u" is the ultimate in hypocracy, it thinks.

Perhaps when I’m not at work, you shall receive exactly what I promised?

I didn’t refute anything yet. I simply said I was going to when able to and current limitations prevent me from doing so until tomorrow.

[Ranger]

I didn’t refute anything yet.

Or I should say, I didn’t intentionally refute anything yet.

If the arguments against me are so weak as to be refuted when I’m not even trying to, I think that speaks volumes as to their validity.

[Ranger]

This isn't about what is fair or right. It's about what is needed to redeem your slot.

Pray tell, why does my slot need redeeming?

[Ranger]

I was waiting to see if you’d be giving a detailed analysis of your ending reads list and was drafting a post asking when the world ended last night. Then things kicked off today with full force and I jumped in the convo instead of redrafting up the post I was going to make last night. Mostly because I’m traveling all day today, I’m on my second plane headed toward a full work weekend so I was waiting until I got to the hotel later to sit down and get to it.

Perhaps extend your life's limitations to mine.

I thought I had given the detailed summary at the end; a lack of it was thanks to the site exploding.

Then the game thread did, and I have life limitations today.

[Ranger]

So what you are saying is either you don't believe it will be held accountable to that,

Some posts answer themselves.

[Ranger]

If you have more to say, please say it.

I seem to be repeating my life limitation a lot.

I gladly will say more! Tomorrow!

My worst work days are Monday and Wednesday, I’m usually free every other day.

What day of the week is it in America?

[Ranger]

Lycan is right; I am losing my cool.

Perhaps I should channel my emotions into a final impulse.

I am a N3 Vig/N4 Jailkeeper

As I said.

Not something to claim, not something which will save me

.

It’s a useless role to claim on D2.

It will affect

nothing

reads wise.

So why the focus on my claim, rather than focusing on my content?

[Ranger]

I'm somewhat disappointed this is the second time I've replaced into a widely suspected scum slot which was always doomed, performed adequately at improving the slot's perception, laid good interactions which left people believing I couldn’t be scum with my scumbuddies, and then the town wins by simply ignoring my contributions altogether.

It happened in Open 904, then here as well. Players insisted my scumbiddies couldn’t be scum with me, then ignored my part in the game to win. :(