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Saturday was the end of the period at work for me and being over Easter has kicked my ass a little.
I got through page 3 on my first break (man gotta eat)
-Naerys brought us out of RVS early. People did stop to talk about the speed of the wagon on Snow.
I like Dave just from 49, 58 right now. He wasn't afraid to buck the trend and start a random wagon, and his follow up seems pure (didn't seem invested in moving discussion away from Oblivion's theory). Not detecting an agenda here.
Thomith came off as fake solvy in 53, 64, and their interaction with Oblivion in post 52 was interesting. Any opinions here, S+S, T+S, T+T?
Naerys probably doesn't long quote Oblivion in 78 if partners just to give attention to Oblivion's weird level of confidence and to disagree.
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Okay sorry I have all the time in the world and coffee right now let's go
Because you were being very matter of fact. Timing and how you use your voice matters.In post 956, Thomith wrote:How am I coming across as fake solvey?
That's why I care very much about the interactions between Naerys-Oblivion-yourself. Scums tend to be uncomfortable at the beginning of a game, and the less you have to work with the more you have to fake it. The feeling of needing to have a valid opiniononlycomes from scum this early on. I didn't like how quicky we left RVS.-
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RVS is a stage where everyone hand shakes that it doesn't really matter so people produce content with little concern of game direction. The direction can change on a dime, and everyone is okay with that. The low stakes give you a breadth of content for you to pick and pull apart. Scum want towns to fight early on, so they will attempt to end RVS early and force a town fight. It's +scum to end RVS early, because it hurts town cohesion.
Let's look at where we left it:
This didn't have to be the departure point. There's a universe where people just talk snark and continue. But we have Thomith/28, Naerys/31, Oblivion/44,46, Dave/45, Thomith/47,53,59 Oblivion/48 (my brain reacts very negatively to this post but it's probably because of writing style), Dave/58, Thomith/64, Gypyx/67, Kayjay/70, Dave/71/ Thomith/74. . Penguin and Gypyx are involved for pushing the other direction, but you can tell they don't actually give a shit so in a way they're continuing RVS.
This dominated the game state, so we can conclude RVS ended at post 27.-
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Ranger talking about Ranger is pretty typical. If they start calling themselves a god of scumplay, though, that's when they might have a red pm.
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If my arguments are bad that's one thing. Do you get anything alignment indicative out of it? There's more than one angle to view a post, and I think my contribution do have value.-
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Why are you exhausted by my posts? I'm acting in good faith here, and just expect the same treatment back. Can you give it another go?-
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You're taking that overly personally. I wasn't sure how much I dislike 48. It's very serious and authoritative, and I don't quite understand the poisoned well analogy. I was second guessing I really thought it was bad or if it was a reaction to the posting style. Take a step back on that, please. It's a pretty balanced take on my part.-
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They're pretty surface level and I'm not getting much that pushes me away from my initial reads. Mainly focusing on who is shifting discussion where. I don't anticipate value from where I'm at until a red flip. Hoping for more certainty when I get to what set off elimination.In post 1004, Ranger wrote:I'd love to see them, although I won't read them until I have.
If you want them I could post them all but I don't feel like checking every line for pronouns because I'm writing quickly and not checking it over much.-
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As much as this is entertaining (it's not) I'd like to ask Oblivion to read Ranger for reasons other than what Ranger says about herself.
Let me specify that you can feel free to scumread Ranger for reasons already given, but I'd like for you (Oblivion) push new content.
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Don't feel like you have to get to where you repped in. Trust that the town will shout you down from a bad take. If you're town I'll back you up from elimination. I'd say the first day should give more than enough info to give high quality content.-
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I'm getting through the elimination phase of day 1. How do you feel about how this went down, Kay?-
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I'll get up to that part. Holy hell this wagon goes on for 200+ posts. Was my slot a primary driver in getting this elimination through? Any comments on whether the NAS flip got us anything? Was it all-town? Throw me a bone.-
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Well, do you still want my slot for elim? Did you get anything out of the flip?-
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Trying to sort my thoughts out after finishing Day 1
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I used to not read on replace-ins with flips but I wanted to contribute at the same time. Jackson looked like a TPR from an informed viewpoint, btw. He so much as shit on everyone for not sussing him. He wasn't relying on dayplay at all, so scum could have assumed TPR here. Thought this was interesting with the questioning of the potential of pressuring TPRs from thomith, and Jackson's immediate kneejerk in 582. Thomith/628 "ha i totally suspected jackson" post seems scummy.-
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Seems pointless to say you would have voted a dead person for pressure. The vibe was that you thought they were scummy.-
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We can disagree about wording if you want. In my experience scum like to discuss kills too much and towns are more concerned with mislims. Towns don't like feeling manipulated and kills are out of their hands.-
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I'm caught up.
I feel like Naerys has been trying to actively spew thinking they're an inevitable elim. 628 they give a rule of 3, which would point to kay, but I don't think kay makes the next post as a partner. They do the same thing in 647 which could be all-town given the other post. They blank vote onto Hu in 880 which seems like an anti-spew attempt. In 931 she blank votes Titus after Titus votes her.
This is the only thing holding me back. Going to vote park VOTE: Hu Tao for now.In post 671, Random Nurse wrote:
Last time I played with her when we were both Town I was questioning her and she shut down, tuetled uo, refused to answer any questions, and then got yeeted.In post 670, Thomith wrote: I deliberately applied pressure to her because i was struggling to read her, but with how she responded to that pressure I am leaving towards her being town.-
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Naerys: I'm interested in hearing reads from you. If you're town I don't want you eliminated.-
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My scumread of Hu developed independently from 880. They're a shit starter, going back to day 1.-
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This is your page 22 scumread?In post 528, Oblivion wrote: It's prior experience with NAS is that NAS does not appear to be willing to offer much information in general, but it did see NAS play as scum and it wonders if this doesn't look slightly different? It feels... like a full model is escaping it but a partial model suggests this version of NAS is less defensive in nature.-
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In post 1088, Thomith wrote:
I agree with this.In post 1086, Gypyx wrote: maybe i'm wrong on the 2:3 theory but we at least have 3:2
I don't think I see a world where there are 0 scum in the hood.
I do think I want to do this though
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BTW, Hu Tao isn't scummy for tunnelling. That can come from town. I found her scummy because she wasn't doing anything to push Dave over NAS yesterday. Thomith-Penguin both noted "resistance" to NAS. Unvoted people that were active and not resisting: Hu (456, 481) Kay (471, 503), Gypyx (479 / lots of shit posts from her on page 20), Dave (514).
People that were resisting:
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The good from Hu: 489 where they resist NAS a bit, and 607 because I liked that she was watching the clock. I still don't like how they weren't pushing their read over NAS, but gave permission repeatedly for people to pursue NAS despite seemingly communicating the opposite.-
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I noted the same thing independently in my read, but I found you less concerned with PR hunting and more LAMIST.In post 1123, Thomith wrote:Snow is hard focused on me being scum because I was "PR Hunting", (or he at least believes thay Jackson was correctly saying I was PR hunting), but is refusing to elaborate as to where, so it feels like a blatant attempt to discredit me.
thomy notes wrote:570 thomith look at me caring about TPRs )) scumpost
Snow had some of the most effort in D1. 345, laser focused on Naerys (382, 536, 602, 666). I don't see this as scum, and I found them consistently the most townie.my notes wrote:579 willow my pred makes the same scumpost lol i'd like to think that they wouldn't make a townpost like this if thomith doesn't make them conscious of the possibly of outing prs
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I mean, if you're scum Hu Tao is pretty townie. You'll need to prove her guilt or your innocence through other means.-
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I'd like for you to claim Ranger. We've been through this before where I replaced in and shit town everywhere and scum!you wouldn't admit I was shitting town, all while complaining in the scum PT.-
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Ranger, if you're town you need to back it up. Getting into large quotes with the people in the thread hasn't dissauded them so far from sussing you.
You've said your piece and they've said their own. Unless you GTH think they're surescum, please pivot to your scumreads. Something new is needed.
This isn't about what is fair or right. It's about what is needed to redeem your slot.
I have misgivings about your slot. I'll go into them if you want. What I'm trying to say is that there are valid reasons to sus you, and you need to go about this a different way.-
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Your slot needs redeeming if we work with the conclusion it's suspicious. Here's my reasons:In post 1172, Ranger wrote:
Pray tell, why does my slot need redeeming?In post 1164, Lycanfire wrote:This isn't about what is fair or right. It's about what is needed to redeem your slot.
dave was stirring shit up in 331 while not doing anything productive.
dave TRed Hu when he shouldn't have in 514, as Hu is doing the above as well
dave's reaction to jackson in 585 wrt to PR hunting. it's a "just what" kind of post. so bad.
-I don't like how you started with reads of a current page (talking about where you'd put me, despite only reading the first 5 pages and using that as a baseline to move people around after the fact).
-you talked me up as a great scumplayer the last time i replaced in
-Your trajectory on your read through lacks any passion, and I'm sure you were taught from a young age to show your work. You voted Hu after your page 13 read through, but didn't say why you wanted to vote her. This was within the minute of your P13 recap, and 7 minutes before the P14 post.Hu didn't post between pages 10-13. "P12 (no, that's not Naerys up; that's all of those names
down)" ??????
In post 1136, Ranger wrote:
Wait until you realize what davesaz's role actually was.In post 1135, Oblivion wrote:This is its shocked face.
???In post 1182, Ranger wrote:I am a N3 Vig/N4 Jailkeeper[/b]
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I was wrong when I said I replaced in and Ranger couldn't TR me in another game. I was replacing into a lot of games around this time last year: i designed this setup in 2019 by xyzzy. scum imploded in this game. going to compare the ISOs, but I remember catching inconsistencies in Ranger's tier lists, which she stopped doing entirely at some point.-
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VOTE: Ranger
I feel like they were working backwards with their reads, and that she had a reason to as well. I specifically told Ranger not to finish the game on short notice and find a good place to stop and drop reads there. I felt like I could have backed her up if she was entirely wrong due to missing info as I was freshly reading the game at that same time. Instead we saw a questionable trajectory of players, including her top scumread for the entire game, Hu Tao, never posting in the pages and including on the page she earned Ranger's vote.
This reads like low effort scum that is forced to performed Ranger's trick. She's barely tried to clear the bar, and I don't get the "wait and see what dave's role really was" comment is about if this was the role she had at the time.
The difference in effort and mentality between her and I make me more suspicious of her. Any towns should have been glad to have been given the treatment I was giving her to get her into the game, and instead I was getting fake paranoia, because Ranger likes to remember they can't TMI townies as scum. That isn't how a townie would have acted, though. I was holding off on this vote because it's clearly the tipping point BTW. I'm not surprised if we quickly enter night.-
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In the pages leading up to and including on the page she earned Ranger's vote. ebwop.-
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Bad feelings about Thomith-Gypyx being on Snow and nothing happening there. Keep that in mind if this game goes late.
Don't agree on randomnurse being scummy. See 549. They didn't agree with pushing NAS, and they caught them online and asked them to contribute. Townpost. They were actively offering alternatives and kneejerked hard to the NAS flashwagon. They didn't let that go for 100s of posts. Doesn't read as bullshit.
Geraint has shown good paranoia in this game. 379
wouldn't make good partners with scum!penguin 440
bad faith voting post 961
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Ranger wagon at this point was lazy. We have a crossvote between Naerys and Titus, a vanity vote, and two people scumreading each other voting Naerys together.-
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In a world where Hu and Ranger are town:
Ranger(4): Random Nurse, Titus, Oblivion,Lycanfire
Hu Tao(3):Ranger, Naerys, PenguinPower
Snow2697 (2): Thomith, Gypyx
PenguinPower (2): KayJayQueue,Hu Tao
Thomith (1): Snow2697
Not Voting (1): geraintm
This means I need to be wrong about: at least 2 of my 4 scum picks. There's 10 players with 4 scum in them in this scenario. For Snow to also be town, scum would be giving up the opportunity for the Ranger-Hu tension to remain unresolved. I don't see you and Gypyx being so obvious here.
I'm moving geraint up in my townreads from a harder to fake perspective. Snow's coming down. I like Snow, a lot. I've vibed with them the entire game. I don't like 944 because it's too happy to eliminate inside the hood. It's a pretty big net they cast between this post 936. 936 is an interesting post from a new player. If I were scum in the hood, I wouldn't give a shit about eliminating inside of it because I'd have a set number of townies in my mind I'd be willing to trade myself for. Did Snow come up with this on their own?
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I dont know why i said snow was good with a ranger scumflip i think im confbiased into naerys being scum (she fits with ranger well) while snow fits poorly with her-
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His d2 is pretty bad, especially eod where he is speculating on the kill.In post 1416, Thomith wrote:Why has Snow changed from your biggest townread to somebody you're willing to vote?
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His d2 is pretty bad, especially eod where he is speculating on the kill.In post 1416, Thomith wrote:Why has Snow changed from your biggest townread to somebody you're willing to vote?
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Unless the team is Titus, geraint and random nurse we have to pick out who is scum here.
I'd like to see people less willing to line up eliminations. It isn't very compelling at this stage.-
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I don't think the hood is very relevant right now. What's your take on what is going on in the thread?In post 1427, KayJayQueue wrote: I have a feeling this neighbor v neighbor v neighbor is going to cripple us going forward. Because if we lim one today that flips town, there’s no stopping a tunnel on yet another one the next day. I think you guys might be right that the hood could have 2 scum but I worry we will get hung up on that and scum will use it as a distraction every day. I’m mostly apprehensive because currently I lean toward the Thom/Gypyx side being town (Thom mostly, Gypyx after) but what if we flip snow and even Titus and both are town? We’re so screwed because we’ll all be too paranoid NOT to flip the remaining hood.-
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Initially I liked that you picked up on the interaction with Jackson, but whether Thomith was scheming or not I don't read his post as actively doing so. It was very LAMIST (look at me, i'm so town for the new people).In post 1421, Snow2697 wrote: Yet another push on me. Makes no sense from town!players standpoint.
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This is Snow's caseIn post 589, Thomith wrote:
There isn't?In post 582, JacksonVirgo wrote: Why is there PR hunting going on?
Thomith's post that I didn't like: 570
Snow's posts around this time 602 603
Nothing to do with Thomith and Jackson. It's very dry and mechanical, like his d2 has been (constantly grouping people which is giving more of the appearance of work). I don't like his fixation with the Jackson kill either.-
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Have they made bad posts?
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Kay, how many scum do you think are in this game?
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These posts made me think you thought it there were 3 scum:In post 1542, KayJayQueue wrote:
At least 3, max of 4. I’ve only ever been in games with 2-3 so sometimes I forget that 4 is possible because it feels overpowered. At least, it feels that way for me.In post 1540, Lycanfire wrote: Kay, how many scum do you think are in this game?
Will post more later or if anyone catches me in the next 5 min, that's all I can be here for.
Why are you asking me specifically? Am I wrong that 4 is a possibility?
In post 1456, KayJayQueue wrote:please note that I’m leaning toward the possibility of 2 scum in hood though I won’t die on that) the second scum lies in Gypyx/Thom
I think four scum is a good assumption.In post 1459, KayJayQueue wrote: -One of {Titus, Snow, and to a lesser degree Gypyx}
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Those are my strongest degree. My next tier up would be {gera, RN} and I’m conflicted because I don’t want to put you in that tier because of your D2 but I’m still a bit hung up on your slot from D1 and I think I’m second guessing myself too much to just ignore it. So you’d be 3rd in that tier, after RN. But I am not very confident on any of those 3 definitely being bad so my focus is on the 4 players I listed first.
It may seem hypocritical that I listed hood players first after complaining that we are tunneling as a town on the hood but we also can’t just ignore it. But if I were voting outside of hood today, it would currently be Penguin.-
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I'm interested in your idea of a bus vote. This has to be true if we assume Naerys and Snow are exclusive if either are scum. This only leaves Kay+Geraint+Naerys|Snow as a team otherwise.-
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Going to let Oblivion direct my vote for awhile.
Looking at Kay and Titus for some content.
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I'm not feeling manipulation from Gypyx here.In post 1602, Random Nurse wrote: If there were 4 Scum it would make sense for them to try and convince the rest of Town there were only 3 Scum.
You'd be right, but she has argued against a mass claim today. I don't see the benefit here for a scum!gypyx at this time. It's too early for a consensus here to matter much.-
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Did ya'll know that Titus is the queen of VCA?
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I'm not saying that Gypex is town. I'm saying that what she said wasn't scummy.In post 1629, Naerys wrote:
You´d be surprised, sometimes scum behaves more like town than townies themselves.In post 1614, Lycanfire wrote: You'd be right, but she has argued against a mass claim today. I don't see the benefit here for a scum!gypyx at this time. It's too early for a consensus here to matter much.
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In post 1639, Thomith wrote:
Could you clarify what you're asking here please?In post 1586, Lycanfire wrote: I'm interested in your idea of a bus vote. This has to be true if we assume Naerys and Snow are exclusive if either are scum. This only leaves Kay+Geraint+Naerys|Snow as a team otherwise.
If you make a comment like this I expect you to feel invested in it, because otherwise all it does is create more elimination targets, which are not being pursued for unknown reasons.In post 1449, Thomith wrote:I believe at least one person hard pushing Ranger was probably bussing, because I believe that slot was kind of doomed already.-
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I'd rather not have the thread derailed into an argument being made on a flimsy premise. You can make whatever arguments you'd like, but I think pursuing the angle that Gypyx is scummy for proposing a 12:3 setup isn't going anywhere.In post 1644, Random Nurse wrote:
What does that mean?In post 1614, Lycanfire wrote:I'm not saying that Gypex is town. I'm saying that what she said wasn't scummy.
What I'm concerned with is having randomnurse be able to have better focus than I am with Gypyx's alignment.-
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In post 1648, Random Nurse wrote:
Are you actively choosing to skip Naerys' post where she implies that Gypyx can be scum despite saying something not scummy? It was a fluffy post. The statement you're highlighting is illustrating that I wasn't saying "Gypex town" but instead "argument bad".In post 1646, Lycanfire wrote:Oh, so you'd rather deflect and not answer my question? You said you're concerned that I would have better focus than you regarding Gypyx's alignment. Now what the Hell does that mean?
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Lycanfire Mafia Scum
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Are you actively choosing to skip Naerys' post where she implies that Gypyx can be scum despite saying something not scummy? It was a fluffy post. The statement you're highlighting is illustrating that I wasn't saying "Gypex town" but instead "argument bad".In post 1648, Random Nurse wrote:Oh, so you'd rather deflect and not answer my question? You said you're concerned that I would have better focus than you regarding Gypyx's alignment. Now what the Hell does that mean?
Move on-
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Lycanfire Mafia Scum
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Are you feeling better now Kay? Hoping to see the things your scumreads have said that tickle your brain. I'm having trouble seeing where you're coming from today.-
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