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Luka AnyGoonAny
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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i forgot how to vote on ms but submit a vote on umlaut-
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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VOTE: Umlaut
Ty!
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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FancyPants / Luka
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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It was an akaward joke, nothing more
the reason why theyre not on my reads list @JacksonVirgo is cause I dont really believe in the vote / the slot being wolfy, it was just an early vote to generate discussion and their entrance is the one I liked the least-
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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Are you the same Hu Tao that I know for the record or no?
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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Unfortunate >:CIn post 27, Hu Tao wrote: Unless you mean the Hu Tao here or the Hu Tao from Genshin Impact then no . I'm not Hu Tao on any other site-
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... what effort lol?In post 33, Overcat wrote: Anyway, I'll out some reads that you shouldn't take too seriously because it's been, like, 5 minutes:
I very mildly townread kay. I also very mildly townread Jackson for the effort he has put in so far.
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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their reads reek of TMI but they're new so w/eIn post 38, Hu Tao wrote: I like overcat so far. Even though they suspiciously chose a dog for an avatar as a cat-
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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@Overcat
Elaborate on what "Effort" Jackson has put in please.-
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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VOTE: Hu Tao
Them liking the doggy is wolfy /srs-
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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its just shading a read on a town fmpov and their post before that reekedIn post 46, ceejayvinoya wrote:eh?
I must be wolfy too because I like Overcat's 36.
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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So the tl on the slot was a joke? I'm aware that the latter sentence was a joke, but the former is as well?In post 49, Hu Tao wrote:
I can't tell if this is a joke or you can't tell that my post was a jokeIn post 42, Luka wrote:
their reads reek of TMI but they're new so w/eIn post 38, Hu Tao wrote: I like overcat so far. Even though they suspiciously chose a dog for an avatar as a cat-
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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okIn post 78, Eiralox wrote: I don't have a read on Luka but I don't like any of the pushes launched at her so far. My gut did scream scum are in the grouping.-
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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Why are you trying to rope the latter thing in here at all? I think you're scum soley for the former thing, you didn't actually read the slot and you just launched a pockety TR on itIn post 53, Hu Tao wrote: Luka can you explain the read more clearly, so I know if you're just misunderstanding or you're trying to force a bad read. Do you think I'm scum because I said I liked Overcats vibe and made a joke about cats and dogs?-
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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This was a lot of words but I dont know what any of it means aside from an OMGUS on meIn post 52, Overcat wrote: Okay, so, in terms of this question:
@Overcat
Elaborate on what "Effort" Jackson has put in please.
I'll say that questions normally have a question mark on the end, and don't include quotation marks alongside any of the words to indicate deep skepticism. I will answer your question, but you have to remove the quotation marks if you want that.
The next point I'll make is that one of the scumreads I learnt from my experience on mafia websites is that town tend to ask questions and try to ascertain people's reasons for things quite strongly, and scum tend to ask questions but be disinterested in the answers, and are generally asking them in a way that's for social posturing. Luka has indicated they are mafia quite strongly to me in this instance (not definitely, but I'm like 70% sure), as their question wasn't actually a question, and the quotation marks indicated a lack of interest in my answer.
The second point I'll make as a more minor fos is that scum tend to be more interested in the way things 'look' and town tend to be more interested in more definite things. Luka stating that "Them liking the doggy is wolfy /srs", is a social putdown along the lines of 'oh, so you associate with him?' sometimes that valid reasoning, in this case it's not. I don't want to make my post too long, and take up too much of the conversation space, though if anyone's curious I have one more read or two I can out.
Anyway, I normally don't vote and make decisions so early on, but I think this is mafiaVOTE: Luka-
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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towning you for effort despite 0 effort being put in from your endIn post 57, JacksonVirgo wrote:
What part of what they're saying reeks of TMI?In post 42, Luka wrote:
their reads reek of TMI but they're new so w/eIn post 38, Hu Tao wrote: I like overcat so far. Even though they suspiciously chose a dog for an avatar as a cat-
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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you towning them is wolfier than the slot itself funnily enoughIn post 61, Hu Tao wrote: Also Luka another question when you get back, if you thought Overcat was TMI, why would you vote me? Wouldn't you vote them even if you didn't get the context of my cat and dog joke?-
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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(I don't actually think that I'm being mean here, I think that the towning from Hu Tao onto the doggy was wolfy since the Dogs read on you was just horrible and i think you should be able to see that too? Sorry if I'm being rude. I am being agressive tho!)In post 62, JacksonVirgo wrote: Luka is being quite antagonistic which inherently makes me want to vote them, I don't think they're actually scummy though. This could be overcorrection but I don't think scum!luka would be this aggressive this early. Especially when immediately discounting your words like he had. It's not nice, but I don't think it's scummy-
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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Why do you think FancyPants is a wolf but you're not voting their, and instead voting me whomst you in your post don't dictate a wolf on? Infact, in one of your earlier posts voting me you never called me wolf either, and you provided reasons to town me in the post before that. What's your gameplan here exactly?In post 68, JacksonVirgo wrote: I'll wait for Luka to comment on my questions, but for right now I'm liking Cat and I'm liking Eira (based on that last post). I think FancyPants is a wolf-
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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Not really so low, I just have a gut read on the entrance that felt wolfy.In post 70, JacksonVirgo wrote: Back to this, why is ceejay so low?-
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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So, it's shading a read on me, a town. It's towning somebody for "effort" despite both posts from said user being completely devoid of effort at the time, and the post after the fact it stated that you can't use effort as an indicator to clear me.In post 71, ceejayvinoya wrote: ????????????-
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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In post 29, JacksonVirgo wrote:SmhIn post 17, JacksonVirgo wrote: Spoiler: My extremely townie introductionIn post 18, JacksonVirgo wrote: Guys, this "Not Voting" fella has like NO resistance! What are we even doing?!In post 21, JacksonVirgo wrote: Can you elaborate on this?
You asked 2 questions and had 3 other unrelated things, I would hardly classify this as effort. Especially when you contrast it with this post:In post 22, JacksonVirgo wrote: Is this your read list? If so, why omit Umlaut?
When, to my knowledge; you were doing the exact same thing. It creates a incongruity between the two and inconsistency. Nobody pointing this out and people towning you for reasons beyond me is what I don't like, and Hu Tao's reaction to my FoS wasn't very good either. They jump on the bandwagon to say they don't like my slot, but once again they never directly state a read on it and they aren't even voting their.In post 36, Overcat wrote: Avatar gotten. As for Luka's effort, what they're basically doing is interacting in order to create more information and reads, which I appreciate because it makes my job easier. However, I've seen enough of both town and mafia do that to know it's not particularly towny at this point. You should reserve judgement on Luka for now.-
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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Fun fact, I am stupid.In post 90, JacksonVirgo wrote: I have a red-check on FancyPants, he is incredibly suspicious but even a red-check isn't strong enough reasoning to vote the INNOCENT CHILD. Silly-
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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Its a random RVS vote that I disagree w/ based on content so far, I don't know what it achieves on a strong player like you and cjv isn't a cute name.In post 19, ceejayvinoya wrote: VOTE: JacksonVirgo
Once again though, it's mostly gut; it's a low confidence read.-
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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And what do you think I'm doing that's exactly scummy? "your aggression doesn't likely come from scum" should theoretically outweigh or mitigate other reads to some extent, in addition to that, I notice this still isn't directly stating a read on me.In post 95, JacksonVirgo wrote: Gameplan is to pressure and find scum. I think your aggression doesn't likely come from scum but that doesn't mean I don't think other things you're doing isn't scummy.-
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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Why?In post 96, Hu Tao wrote: At the time of the post I was just saying I like them as in terms of their vibe. But now I do actually tr them-
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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I'm assuming you don't have a strong TR on them, I'm translating it to a TL on them.In post 99, Hu Tao wrote: Okay so you were confused on what I meant. If I say I like someone just means their vibe, not that I have a strong tr on them or whatever. But now after their most recent posts, I do have a town read on cat-
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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^ This person has a very large scum range! >:3In post 102, JacksonVirgo wrote: (I don't know if ceejay knows my range, shhh I want an easier game)-
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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I did, I just forget since I'm uhm. Chronically not very smart!In post 103, Hu Tao wrote: Not sure if you noticed by fancy pants name is green......-
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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Me when I forget a mafia game is ongoing then remember its MS so need no fear!
I love this sites cycles istg..-
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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MS cycle lenght is lovelyIn post 185, KayJayQueue wrote:
What does this mean? lolIn post 184, Luka wrote: Me when I forget a mafia game is ongoing then remember its MS so need no fear!
I love this sites cycles istg..-
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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unlaut either woof narrowing down poe to quici or v either way let it sit-
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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lulIn post 120, Umlaut wrote: You're going to declare someone the top suspect based on their tattoos and motor tics? Yikes.
Also that analogy has no persuasive force. You have to actually say why Luka is more suspect and Ceejay less so, you can't just say what they're "like."-
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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In post 122, Overcat wrote:In post 118, ceejayvinoya wrote:In post 91, Luka wrote:In post 29, JacksonVirgo wrote:SmhIn post 17, JacksonVirgo wrote: Spoiler: My extremely townie introductionIn post 18, JacksonVirgo wrote: Guys, this "Not Voting" fella has like NO resistance! What are we even doing?!In post 21, JacksonVirgo wrote: Can you elaborate on this?
You asked 2 questions and had 3 other unrelated things, I would hardly classify this as effort. Especially when you contrast it with this post:In post 22, JacksonVirgo wrote: Is this your read list? If so, why omit Umlaut?
When, to my knowledge; you were doing the exact same thing. It creates a incongruity between the two and inconsistency. Nobody pointing this out and people towning you for reasons beyond me is what I don't like, and Hu Tao's reaction to my FoS wasn't very good either. They jump on the bandwagon to say they don't like my slot, but once again they never directly state a read on it and they aren't even voting their.In post 36, Overcat wrote: Avatar gotten. As for Luka's effort, what they're basically doing is interacting in order to create more information and reads, which I appreciate because it makes my job easier. However, I've seen enough of both town and mafia do that to know it's not particularly towny at this point. You should reserve judgement on Luka for now.
@Luka from what I've seen so far Overcat seems to value engagement through the use of good questions and would look at those sort of posts with a positive light, kind of like what he said here.
In post 74, Overcat wrote: Ceejay- Am curious on the few extra reads you've got
Well, I think one of my reads was on you. I like that you've been asking some good questions, but more importantly that you've been willing to put yourself in the firing line on your opinions:
In post 46, ceejayvinoya wrote:eh?
I must be wolfy too because I like Overcat's 36.
Mind explaining this further?
Thoughts on this?
This about hits the nail on the head btw. A strong difference between Luka and Jackson, is Jackson asked some good questions, whereas Luka voted in order to create reads, and then defended themselves from attack. My philosophy is that people who ask questions and behave like detectives are good, and people who speak like politicians are bad.-
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Case on Mel: Town for asking questions. Case on Me: Wolf for voting and defending yourself unless I decide it's more convinent for it to be something else.In post 130, Overcat wrote: How can I explain things in a way that makes sense?
It feels like people on mafiascum look for logical inconsistencies, those are valuable but not the most important thing. You actually need to have principles that you scumhunt on, and rather than relying on gut, see if you can logically explain your gutread. There are multiple principles that I'm worried that people don't seem worried about.
One is the spirit of inquisitiveness. Town members tend to ask questions in order to find out information, and mafia tend to ask questions in order to enforce some point of view. If I was a mafia member, I would want to ask questions to:
1.Make sure that I seem towny and I seem like I am contributing.
2. In order to make people look bad
and if I was town I would want to ask questions to:
1. Find out information, and see if the other person's logic makes sense
2. In order to generate conversation
It is intuitively obvious that a mafia member would tend to ask questions in one way and a town member in another. And that is my main reason why I believe Luka is mafia.-
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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Twtbaw read on Eiralox lets game!-
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Luka / FancyPants
Witalox / KayJayQueue
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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QuickIn post 213, Umlaut wrote:
I don't know what quici means.In post 205, Luka wrote: unlaut either woof narrowing down poe to quici or v either way let it sit-
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:3In post 223, humaneatingmonkey wrote: Although I'm serious about my Luka read and I will monitor that slot carefully throughout the game.-
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NyaaIn post 217, humaneatingmonkey wrote: give me a fancy word
DId you not read the doge town?In post 216, Hu Tao wrote: Only actual read I have is cat town here-
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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Mel still isn't putting effort in idgi why are people towning them based off of thisIn post 219, Eiralox wrote: I feel good about you and Hu Tao so far, as inferred by a prior post. Beyond that Jackson is probably towniest just for effort and the best opening post.-
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JacksonIn post 229, Eiralox wrote:Mel?
Sorry-
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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Omg...In post 230, Hu Tao wrote: The cat IS the dog-
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Eira is posting actually abysmally and that probably makes them town
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No since youre correct TWTBAW is a horrible read I just run with it :3In post 239, humaneatingmonkey wrote: To Luka or anyone else who might use this argument: I am less convinced about "too wolfy to be wolf" arguments because sometimes wolves can just be wolves and sometimes the instinct to call them wolfy is right. I feel like I need to be able to weigh it against all other instances where I can label their behavior as town if I want to really cross them out of my pool. Would you disagree?-
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Meh Hu Tao is wolfier sorry! ^^In post 241, humaneatingmonkey wrote: I believe you're voting Hu Tao right now, but maybe you can join me because I think we're seeing the same thing about Luka albeit having a different conclusion. If we can pressure his slot, maybe we can have a better read and maybe you can prove that you're right about him being town after all.-
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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yup!In post 243, humaneatingmonkey wrote: Do you imagine anyone else joining you in Hu Tao's wagon in the meantime? And you have described Eiralox as "too wolfy"... but Hu Tao seems wolfier for you?
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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If KJQ is wolf I cry
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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On a side note, Eiralox is so transparently wolfy its killing me so they're like, >rand town-
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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GuyInFreezer same as Umalot-
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Luka / FancyPants
KayJayQueue / Umalot
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p mid avatar if u ask meIn post 291, GuyInFreezer wrote: P mid list if you ask me
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Luka AnyGoonAny
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oh hai firebringer :3In post 312, Firebringer wrote: This is my scum partner. Hard pocketed, will defend forever-
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:3In post 312, Firebringer wrote: This is my scum partner. Hard pocketed, will defend forever-
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omg we have the same readsIn post 317, Firebringer wrote: skimmed like an extra 5-6 pages and don't like ur posts. U feel very blendy vs sorty
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dunno what youve done yet so idk i guess its changed?In post 294, Hu Tao wrote: Do you still scumread me for that thing in the beginning or is it something else-
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Hu Tao's catchup consisted of calling Overcat lock town (whomst they previously only had as a town read), the reason that they're lock town they haven't stated in their ISO other than good vibes, and they had a pretty horrible OMGUS on me before backing off of it once called out on it!In post 339, Hu Tao wrote: But overcat was pretty lock town imo-
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Town reads!In post 341, JacksonVirgo wrote: Did you get much from this? If anything, can I ask what?
The latter ^w^In post 346, JacksonVirgo wrote: You made the same assessment about twtbw Eira in 236 as you did in 211. Did you come to this conclusion twice individually, or awkwardly rehashing the same read to make a point?-
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I'm not incompetent, while making read lists I think of a slot, ISO them and go "oh this is the lock town slot". However, I can in a moment of curiosuty forget a slot is town. This is a weak read at best and I don't know if it's a real one!In post 360, humaneatingmonkey wrote: Luka grilled you iirc about not voting FancyPants even though you think they're scum. I think it leans scum that they haven't internalized that FancyPants/Firebringer is town in their narrative BECAUSE they're pretending that they don't know everyone else who is town. I distinctly remember them putting FancyPants as strong town in a readslist so they must have already been informed.-
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