Mafia 2301: Angels and Demons (Game Over)

[Meuh]

Goooood evening everyone! Let's catch scum

Have skimmed the game throughout the day and I really don't feel like reading back on it in general, felt kind of blegh
Completely disinterested in a demona wagon though, leaning town on her at the moment (I generally click with her mentality thus far and the frustration feels genuine, though frustration is the easiest emotion to fake as scum) 56 links with what I've been thinking so far, so Phir can be town
I like the vote in 81 and GrandpaMo in general, so I'll sheep
VOTE: Biancospino

[Meuh]

Why tf are we considering a hammer this early

VOTE: Whemestar guess I can follow here
Putting anyone on E-1 is completely nonsencsical

[Meuh]

???

Is Greeting scummy?

no??

but we have two weeks

and you just asked for a claim

and then didn't give any time for biancospino to claim?

sigh i really do not understand what is happening here

oh nevermind

lol sorry i for some reason though you voted biancospino

my brain doesn't work

Could be clever faking but this feels town to me

[Meuh]

Demona and grandpa mo have way to many posts

VOTE: Demona

I’m sorry you made like 10 posts in response of Drew’s vote it’s to much

Yes grandpa also posted to much

Yeah this can be scum

[Meuh]

because, well, towns do sometimes make things up

and based on my limited interactions, grandpamo does seem more like than some, or maybe even most to make up a post restriction as town to me

of course not as likely as, say, hectic

but more likely than most yeah

Meh I guess so
But like faking a post restriction there if townie seems like it has 0 upside and plenty of potential backlash
it's just an anti-town action to take and I don't have much benefit of the doubt over it
THough I guess townies do dumb anti-town things all the time regardless, this would just be particularly egregious
Either way I'm not used to playing with anyone having a post restriction. With it being a restriction, there isn't much we can really do to confirm it regardless, right? guess it's a moot point

[Meuh]

can we hammer bianco

they are either negative utility 3rd party or scum

like im certain

Imaginalty, what do you think about Grandpa's vote on Bianco?

Initial votes with no reasoning I'm fine with this early on. But the way others piled on to it looks pretty bad.

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

@CSF you were concerned about the speed of demona's wagon, what do you think about this one?

I think there is always mafia between CSF and bianco

Also regarding grandpamo, not sure how I feel about this?
I think in terms of the practical impact of wanting Bianco hammered, it's definitely an anti-town thing to push for this early, but the general vibes are good and I'm not sure if scum throw out reads this confidently this early on
If anyone knows, is this general confidence and approach to the game typical for grandpamo?

[Meuh]

Demona and grandpa mo have way to many posts

VOTE: Demona

I’m sorry you made like 10 posts in response of Drew’s vote it’s to much

Yes grandpa also posted to much

Yeah this can be scum

a town person faking a post restriction in this game has no effect on the game state nor on the players so I don't see how it would be anti town, it just makes u either believe me more or believe me less. if im using that post restriction to push a specific agenda or platform then it could be antitown . however I have not done that yet -- like u said I don't see the upside of me claiming a post restriction -- both alignments can have it , it's NAI so let's stop talking biut it !

I think a townie unnecessarily lying is anti-town but this is a pointless argument either way
Why did you quote that post though? Was that an accident cause I don’t see the link lol

[Meuh]

Yeah that looks a lot like wagon shopping to me

Ughhh I do not like this post

[Meuh]

I think bianco's reason for thinking I'm town was kinda eh

Bianco is a better wagon than myko I reckon

And that seems like a bit of a stretch to call Gmo and Demona connected.

It wasn't like a super serious read, just something for me to look back on and think about if either ever flip scum

I don't think is likely that CSF is scum if both Mo and Demona are town. Otherwise that would be a pretty useless thing to note.

VOTE: Wheme, should be E-2

Well i guess it's not actually a townread but still feels eh

anyways my post restriction is coming up so ima be coasting

What is it?

I still kinda want to know what the pst restriction is and if it makes sense with his role

The only time I've seen a real posting restriction is where it made sense flavor wise

I could vote wheme but then people would just complain about e-1 again

Scummmmmmmmmmm
VOTE: CSF

[Meuh]

Demona and grandpa mo have way to many posts

VOTE: Demona

I’m sorry you made like 10 posts in response of Drew’s vote it’s to much

Yes grandpa also posted to much

Yeah this can be scum

a town person faking a post restriction in this game has no effect on the game state nor on the players so I don't see how it would be anti town, it just makes u either believe me more or believe me less. if im using that post restriction to push a specific agenda or platform then it could be antitown . however I have not done that yet -- like u said I don't see the upside of me claiming a post restriction -- both alignments can have it , it's NAI so let's stop talking biut it !

I think a townie unnecessarily lying is anti-town but this is a pointless argument either way
Why did you quote that post though? Was that an accident cause I don’t see the link lol

post restriction isn't anti town lol ... its only anti town if it affects the whole game state and im using it to like push a certain agenda. what different if I wasn't doing a post restriction for example? im still playing to my wincon.

anyways I think so because I'm on mobile and its hard to quote and allat

Pointless argument and also not really what my point was

[Meuh]

I still kinda want to know what the pst restriction is and if it makes sense with his role

The only time I've seen a real posting restriction is where it made sense flavor wise

I miss post restrictions, I had two awesome ones back in the day:

Monty Python's Mafia: I was Bruce the Australian Philosopher. The whole game, I had to refer to all the other players as Bruce.

You Are... Mafia: I was a Romanian Vampire and every second post of mine had to be lyrics from Dragostea Din Tei

I also want to know what GrandpaMo's post restriction is. I have an idea in mind of what it might be.

I like the last line of this post tbh

[Meuh]

Demona and grandpa mo have way to many posts

VOTE: Demona

I’m sorry you made like 10 posts in response of Drew’s vote it’s to much

Yes grandpa also posted to much

Yeah this can be scum

a town person faking a post restriction in this game has no effect on the game state nor on the players so I don't see how it would be anti town, it just makes u either believe me more or believe me less. if im using that post restriction to push a specific agenda or platform then it could be antitown . however I have not done that yet -- like u said I don't see the upside of me claiming a post restriction -- both alignments can have it , it's NAI so let's stop talking biut it !

I think a townie unnecessarily lying is anti-town but this is a pointless argument either way
Why did you quote that post though? Was that an accident cause I don’t see the link lol

post restriction isn't anti town lol ... its only anti town if it affects the whole game state and im using it to like push a certain agenda. what different if I wasn't doing a post restriction for example? im still playing to my wincon.

anyways I think so because I'm on mobile and its hard to quote and allat

Pointless argument and also not really what my point was

kk also what makes u vote csf? I also had the same series of progression on phir

I found your thought process more understandable (though I don’t really agree with it). I disliked the way CSF piled on it and the posts she made on the page after all exude a general scummy vibe

[Meuh]

Was not expecting Safia Nolin but very cool to see!!

[Meuh]

Uhm my phir read was a joke haha

When did Wheme even make a Phir read??? I can't for the life of me find one in their ISO

[Meuh]

@Meuh what's your read on WhemeStar?

Mild bad vibes (43, 46 and 48 are a weird set of opener posts)
I think their response to pressure (213 and 216) seems genuine but it reads to me more like the classic "scum mad they're being scumread for the wrong reasons" than a frustrated townie.
I'll need to read things over again at some point, because I don't really think I have a solid grasp on most people (or on the game in general) and my brain is glossing over half of these posts

[Meuh]

I think bianco's reason for thinking I'm town was kinda eh

Bianco is a better wagon than myko I reckon

And that seems like a bit of a stretch to call Gmo and Demona connected.

It wasn't like a super serious read, just something for me to look back on and think about if either ever flip scum

I don't think is likely that CSF is scum if both Mo and Demona are town. Otherwise that would be a pretty useless thing to note.

VOTE: Wheme, should be E-2

Well i guess it's not actually a townread but still feels eh

anyways my post restriction is coming up so ima be coasting

What is it?

I still kinda want to know what the pst restriction is and if it makes sense with his role

The only time I've seen a real posting restriction is where it made sense flavor wise

I could vote wheme but then people would just complain about e-1 again

Scummmmmmmmmmm
VOTE: CSF

Why? Besides "vibes"

vibes
I'd say the best way to describe it is that every post of yours I look at makes me think "hmm, scum would post this"
like in general I feel the way you're posting and the position you're in is pretty likely to just make you scum

[Meuh]

I think in general asking why you are scum read tips a bit scummy.

Or in simpler terms, “why me fry me”

[Meuh]

It’s well known that MS is a dating site, plenty of love stories begin here!!

[Meuh]

Any questions for me

If you were stranded on a deserted island with 3 people on this playerlist, who would you bring??

[Meuh]

Mo bothers me telling demona to use pt and saying they too much but wasting 'restricted posts' to spout general bs. This whole case one me feels like mo wanting something to not do while looking busy.classic scum. Anyway.

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

Why the vote?
I mean I like the vote but why are you placing it

[Meuh]

Spoiler: bianco's post

Spoiler: some CSF quotes

I think bianco's reason for thinking I'm town was kinda eh

Bianco is a better wagon than myko I reckon

And that seems like a bit of a stretch to call Gmo and Demona connected.

It wasn't like a super serious read, just something for me to look back on and think about if either ever flip scum

I don't think is likely that CSF is scum if both Mo and Demona are town. Otherwise that would be a pretty useless thing to note.

VOTE: Wheme, should be E-2

Well i guess it's not actually a townread but still feels eh

anyways my post restriction is coming up so ima be coasting

What is it?

I still kinda want to know what the pst restriction is and if it makes sense with his role

The only time I've seen a real posting restriction is where it made sense flavor wise

Spoiler: another CSF quote

I could vote wheme but then people would just complain about e-1 again

Scummmmmmmmmmm
VOTE: CSF

Spoiler: CSF

I still kinda want to know what the pst restriction is and if it makes sense with his role

The only time I've seen a real posting restriction is where it made sense flavor wise

I miss post restrictions, I had two awesome ones back in the day:

Monty Python's Mafia: I was Bruce the Australian Philosopher. The whole game, I had to refer to all the other players as Bruce.

You Are... Mafia: I was a Romanian Vampire and every second post of mine had to be lyrics from Dragostea Din Tei

I also want to know what GrandpaMo's post restriction is. I have an idea in mind of what it might be.

I like the last line of this post tbh

Sorry for the massive quotewall. Anyway, I understand it's on vibes but I don't unerstand how you are specifically liking the

purple

line while presumably disliking the

orange

ones?

I said last line but it'd be more accurate to say the last sentence of Imaginality's post looks good. Gives more reasoning as to why Imaginality would be interested in finding out the restriction and I feel like townies tend to drop little hints of their thought process (like having an idea of what the restriction is) more than scum does. For CSF's it's more kind of generally throwing out questions at Mo with less pointing as to why she'd be curious and none of that extra thought process. (aside from wanting to see if it made sense with his role, but I don't find that bit super compelling) Also, I was looking at these posts in a wider set of CSF posts and they clicked with the rest as looking scummy.

[Meuh]

Meuh I like ur pfp

Thanks!!! Was a recent switch and I'm glad it was a good one
It's Mia from Fire Emblem

[Meuh]

Just its been hard to get into this 1

Big mood

[Meuh]

Ohhhhh thanks, that's why I couldn't find it in their ISO

[Meuh]

Ohhhhh thanks, that's why I couldn't find it in their ISO

you're welcome

maybe noteworthy that biancospino asked nearly the same question but... probably not

Hm, at most it sais that she missed my question.
And maybe that CSF's question was indeed a bit out of place since multiple people were taken aback by it

I wasn't really taken aback by it? More that I was confused considering I didn't remember or see a read from Wheme on Phir anywhere
Not really surprised to have missed your question, considering my brain hasn't properly registered a bunch of bits of this game

[Meuh]

Oh welcome Enchant!

[Meuh]

I am a

Town Guardian Angel

Thee may asketh me any questions in the entire w'rld and I shall guideth thee and s'rve as a guardian by answ'ring by

true

'r

false

!

What is the meaning of life?

[Meuh]

any questions in the entire w'rld

Disappointed

[Meuh]

I am a

Town Guardian Angel

Thee may asketh me any questions in the entire w'rld and I shall guideth thee and s'rve as a guardian by answ'ring by

true

'r

false

!

You're a cat person.

[Meuh]

I can say that nothing will happen when I get to a certain amount of posts, I’m just lazy

[Meuh]

Liking Greeting on the last few pages

[Meuh]

Mo, is it true that what you may post is restricted but that you're free to post whatever you'd like within the bounds of these restrictions?

[Meuh]

Why does the game suddenly get so active the one day I’m busy
Should be able to properly catch up in a few hours

[Meuh]

All nature's forces are revealed
Am I a god? My mind's so clear!
With mystic vision now I see concealed
In these pure symbols nature's rich activity.

Votecount

Whemestar (4): imaginality, biancospino, Cat Scratch Fever, Doctor Drew
Cat Scratch Fever (3): Meuh, Phir, Greeting
Phir (1): GrandpaMo
Imaginality (1): Whemestar

not voting (2): demona, Enchant

With 11 alive it's 6 to eliminate.

Almost certainly scum on the Wheme wagon tbh. I like the CSF wagon composition here

[Meuh]

I have escaped

mhmmhm any chance you'd like to walk us through all of that

were you freed by the vote or the questions, why didn't you give us whatever information you claim to have before the 'show', do you actually have any information, did you learn anything,

Because it was all a lie. I was afraid if I continued to play normally in a bastard game that involved Angels and Demons, I would be the first one to die during the night. There was motivation from all over my unconscious mind to do this including wanting to be scumread, wanting to get reactions, wanting to test out faking a whole role to see if it gave any valuable information for either player who either 1. Asked the questions or 2. interacted with each other about the questions. And I learned a lot through it and Phir is my top contender as scum. They are hiding something that they don't want to tell you all. They are afraid. Why do you think they are not pushing me right now? And have always been poking me but never doing anything about it? Because they thought my role was real to eventually reveal what a fraud they are.

Blegh blegh blegh I hate this post

[Meuh]

What

[Meuh]

Why d you think the wagon mist have scum. like you think Weuth is an easy vote?

It's less about the circumstances around the wagon and more about the people on the wagon themselves
Like there's 4 people I have a townread on (Mo, Demona, Phir, Greeting) and none of them are on the wagon, and neither am I
I think there's almost always scum on it

[Meuh]

Though yes, Wheme is an easy vote

[Meuh]

Spoiler:

Because it was all a lie. I was afraid if I continued to play normally in a bastard game that involved Angels and Demons, I would be the first one to die during the night. There was motivation from all over my unconscious mind to do this including wanting to be scumread, wanting to get reactions, wanting to test out faking a whole role to see if it gave any valuable information for either player who either 1. Asked the questions or 2. interacted with each other about the questions. And I learned a lot through it and Phir is my top contender as scum. They are hiding something that they don't want to tell you all. They are afraid. Why do you think they are not pushing me right now? And have always been poking me but never doing anything about it? Because they thought my role was real to eventually reveal what a fraud they are.

eh i mean i can kinda relate to the assumed likelihood of being nightkilled because i feel similarly right now but why is that something to be avoided, like to me it's just solve as much of the game as i possibly can while i'm alive and then it is what it is

like are you just saying you want to continue playing the game indefinitely and thus needed to avoid being nightkilled by... making a big mess of the game?

okay what did you learn about others who asked questions and interacted with eachother about the questions? like you can just omit me from your response here but am interested in the others beyond phir,

is it because phir did not want to ask you any questions? at one point i worried that maybe phir thought you would gain something from being asked, but could in theory have thought you would gain something as a scums,

I do not wanna get nightkilled because I am testing something in the night -- It was all elaborate plan (even including me "escaping"). I don't wanna reveal too much there until later tbh.

And no Phir isn't scum just because of that, they are scum of the reasons I said -- they have been consistently inconsistent in every post they have made. I urge you to take a look at their iso.

Post 56 just sounds a TMI post in the context that everyone already posted their scum / town reasons for their read on you. Then out of nowhere their RVS is "demona is good" they also push Drew in that post for being too agressive

Out of nowhere in post 116 right after responding to a question, they want to make Bianco claim! That early in the game I know they were at E2 or whatever it was -- but that probably means Bianco was a scumwagon or something and Phir was just rolefishing.

Post 125 (votes me),
128 (questions greeting as scum),
130 (talking about spino wagon),
137 (calling me possible town, urge to hammer for spino and questioning to hammer, and voting whemestar),
146 (then questions imag and me scum in a scumpool they create based on spinos flip???),
159 (votes imaginaility),
178 (calls me fake but was def saying I was town earlier - they also say they happy with town core but have not specified anybody lol),
180 (votes me again after pushing them with one post),
181 (questioning CSF),
182 (now questioning me as town???),
220 (u actually question who the towncore is and they say meuh and demona and then question greeting and cat),
221 (continuing to hover over me and questioning about pushing me??? and giving me the option to push them? probably because they are scared and dont actually wanna commit),
223 (questioning wheme as town)
239 (all over the place trying to scumread me.... they are claiming stuff out of context, stuff that dont even make sense? like appeal to authority? what does have to do with anything? they are just conitnuing to be all over the place here and even saying "i will decide how to vote" they just sound like a newbscum tryna push me back and they have nothing so they are pulling shit out of their ass LOL)
243 (questioning me as town once again)
320 (calls me classic scum and votes Cat Scratch Fever) this is probably the biggest red flag lol
464 (says willing to sheep meuh now??? and prob "wheme, bianco or enchant I guess. Maybe Drew as a distant fifth." not even me mentioned other "innocent" behavior as town???

492

(says that greeting was sus to them but now is town but wasnt they in their towncore in the beginning of the game??? look at post 220)

This is my scumcase on phir. If you tell me there is nothing wrong with that ISO, then you're just flatout lying. This is probably one of the worst ISO's I ever seen and I doubt it comes from town. Not only shows them they are all over the place, they are multiple contradictions and just so many ugh posts that is like so obvious. Please.

This case just seems to boil down to "Phir's perspective on stuff changed over time" which isn't very convincing
Phir could've communicated these shifts better but stuff like Phir considering Greeting for the towncore and then later saying they had sus on Greeting just feels like someone having gotten some mild scumpings in between those posts

[Meuh]

ok so the fact their on tje wahon is just coincidental to your read?

Not sure exactly what you're saying? But I think you're saying that it's not the fact that they're on the wagon that makes them scum? Which yeah, is true

[Meuh]

This gimmick is annoying

[Meuh]

mega sus a bit on u before

The wording here is pretty intriguing though, I hadn't noticed the word "mega" there
@Phir can you clarify a bit on the read on Greeting prior to this? The wording is odd

[Meuh]

BRO U CONTINUE TO SAY IM SCUM AND SHIT BUT U DONT VOTE.ME

VOTE ME RN WHY R U SO SCARED?

No, I think Demona's right, at least currently Phir is saying you're probably just clown town. Thou it is indeed curious how I "feel sus", but instead Phir is voting CSF which is not even in their scum shortlist as of 537

Anyway, VOTE: Phir

??? Isn't Phir saying CSF is likely to be scum within that exact post?

[Meuh]

God Mo around like page 23 makes me so irritated just why

[Meuh]

he is inconsistent and keeps doubting himself or not sticking to one thing that he believes

and why does that make them scum???????
like if anything, doubting yourself is exactly what townies do cause townies are like, trying to solve the fucking game/???

[Meuh]

I pretty regularly have moments where I do 180s on my reads and put everything into question because I'm actually trying to solve the game? Doubt is a natural feeling to have regarding your reads... Like in what world is regularly questioning your perspective somehow a scum indicative thing???

[Meuh]

VOTE: Drew

yk what im sheeping this

wheme is town btw.

me and phir is probably tvt

VOTE: Drew

How did you get here?

[Meuh]

What? Why in the world would we want a fucking

doctor

to claim

I've no iea why you're cncluded this but this does not seem like a good idea at al

Yeah why are we doing this? Looking for doctors seems like, bad

[Meuh]

What? Why in the world would we want a fucking

doctor

to claim

I've no iea why you're cncluded this but this does not seem like a good idea at al

Yeah why are we doing this? Looking for doctors seems like, bad

cuz it is. wy would we want to out a doc

Yeah I'm agreeing with you here

[Meuh]

BRO U CONTINUE TO SAY IM SCUM AND SHIT BUT U DONT VOTE.ME

VOTE ME RN WHY R U SO SCARED?

No, I think Demona's right, at least currently Phir is saying you're probably just clown town. Thou it is indeed curious how I "feel sus", but instead Phir is voting CSF which is not even in their scum shortlist as of 537

Anyway, VOTE: Phir

??? Isn't Phir saying CSF is likely to be scum within that exact post?

conditional on me being scum.why would one vote csf over me on those assumptions evades me

Conditional? I don't really see that, beyond Phir seeing a potential world where you guys are scum together.

Also even if they scumread you more, votes ≠ biggest scumread

Anyway, I'm unchanged. Feel my vote is with town at least.

Like here I think Phir values building good wagons and voting with a bloc. Phir's voting for CSF because of Greeting and I's votes there. I often don't vote for my biggest scumread myself for the sake of applying pressure elsewhere or forming a good voting bloc, I don't see what's crazy about Phir's vote

[Meuh]

What? Why in the world would we want a fucking

doctor

to claim

I've no iea why you're cncluded this but this does not seem like a good idea at al

Yeah why are we doing this? Looking for doctors seems like, bad

cuz it is. wy would we want to out a doc

hi are you doc?

>_>

[Meuh]

I need to ISO Enchant and Imaginality both, cause I don't really have a solid grasp on either rn

[Meuh]

Ugh Bianco, that Mo/phir thing was grueling. I do think it was tvs though.

Can you explain why you think it's TvS? I find it extra grueling because I'm feeling that both are town
The line between "actively unhelpful townie" and "just scum" is hard to draw, but I'm feeling the former regarding Mo at the moment

[Meuh]

Also even if they scumread you more, votes ≠ biggest scumread

Yeah you vote fr somepne that can realistically be limmed
But! it has been made clear im a credible lim so if i were scumreading bianco the most i wold 100percent voting bianco rn

Meh but there's 2 other people voting for CSF and no others voting for you. General talk makes you probably a realistic lim but still with less concrete markers towards it and less active pushing than CSF
Also Newton's first law of motion

[Meuh]

Ok but it's not lke mo was afraid of voting phir

he voted phir thrice

...and then backed off, randomly saying Phir is probably town and throwing a vote on Drew instead

[Meuh]

Fight with someone but be afraid to vote them

Like perhaps "be afraid to vote them" isn't the most accurate description, but it's weird framing to go "well he voted Phir thrice" without considering the random change in his read and the change in vote that went along with it

[Meuh]

i kinda like how similarly meuh and i are viewing phir posts and grandpamo's case and such,

like most of meuh's posts today feel like very much in line with how i am thinking even the wagon stuff as well though i guess maybe i have expressed my feelings with regards to previously

i know we have mindmelded at length before as town in that trust fall game and i am going to try very very hard not to become paranoid about this this time because it's unreasonable of me

(but then that little tiny voice in the back of my mind is like... but meuh knows about that game too...)

Hmm yeah this is intriguing
I'm not really surprised at us lining up cause you just generally had good takes in Trust Fall, though I think I should be careful not to write you off entirely cause mindmeld is generally good but doesn't necessitate you being town (esp since I think you have the skillset to fake good takes)
To me you're kind of in that same space in my mind I have in pretty much every game (including trust fall) of like, a town leader with mild good vibes who I'm willing to assume is town for day 1 and analyze more properly in the long run, because it'd be nonsensical to lim them early anyways

[Meuh]

Hmm yeah this is intriguing
I'm not really surprised at us lining up cause you just generally had good takes in Trust Fall, though I think I should be careful not to write you off entirely cause mindmeld is generally good but doesn't necessitate you being town (esp since I think you have the skillset to fake good takes)
To me you're kind of in that same space in my mind I have in pretty much every game (including trust fall) of like, a town leader with mild good vibes who I'm willing to assume is town for day 1 and analyze more properly in the long run, because it'd be nonsensical to lim them early anyways

i mean, my thoughts lining up with your thoughts here is already evidenced by my posts, like i expressed my distrust of the whemestar wagon, i had already made nearly the same points as you re: phir's posting and grandpamo's case, it's not just me saying 'oh we are mindmelding that's what i think too!' but yes, i suppose in theory from your perspective it could simply be my faking good takes and then you having similar takes, and like i said, this time i am committed to not letting myself get too paranoid about it, just found it interesting to note i guess, sorry

yes yes I'm aware, just wanted to add my own reflection on you regarding mindmeld/trustfall since that made me think of it!
you did post your takes first so it's not a "you copying my reads to create artificial mindmeld" situation (which you could consider with my posting since it came second) on my end, it's just me pondering a bit on our mindset lining up and whether it makes you town here. Though I don't feel like giving it that much thought at the moment cause as I mentioned before, I'm fine with throwing you in the town bin and worrying about that later lol
and yeah just noting little pieces of thought processes is generally good to do, it's a helpful tool when it comes to sorting and I myself make posts of that sort to make myself easier to sort

[Meuh]

Spoiler:

both players who were voting biancospino moving to whemestar, a wagon that biancospino is also on, without biancospino doing anything towny in the meantime is a pretty big hmm

I mean I could go back to bianco
And there's gonna be more than one scum anyway!

don't ... on me

would you like to explain why perhaps you are voting me?

yes

sigh please enchant if you're just trolling me because you think it's funny and you know i'll respond we can just not

and if you actually think i'm a scums here or whatever and you're town i'd like to just work through this now because i know we've previously had issues with communication and such as well as your general objection to my playstyle,

so

Nah i am not trolling, my vote is mostly semirandom

But why? I think that's scummy for u

VOTE: enchant

Does it look like enchant is trying to find scum at any point in this game?

VOTE: enchant

Does it look like enchant is trying to find scum at any point in this game?

Poor take imo

Why?

Does it look like enchant is trying to find scum at any point in this game?

maybe(?) when asking me if i was a third party, and maybe(???) when saying 'just want to blast the most calm person', like the thought process that might have gone into that and the vote on me, otherwise not really,

but how often is town!enchant outwardly trying to find scum?

i feel like, if there is some aspect of the game to get enchant consistently engaged then enchant becomes pretty sortable in general, but right now, dunno

enchant could be voting me in like a 'unachievable wagon' way that scum sometimes do but also i think enchant just does not like the way i play and often suspects me, so

True about the third party part, but he didn't rly push it

I think enchant does do stuff! Not just randomly push a wagon i feel like no one is interested in

CSF somehow gets scummier with every post

[Meuh]

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever E-2

If there was scum on WhemeStar it's probably this vote switch to Enchant because I don't think scum!Drew would switch to Mo (if Mo was a likely mislim that would've kicked off after the fake PR stuff).

And... eh I guess scum!bianco might see town!Phir as a possible mislim but CSF's vote on Enchant seems the most likely to be scum trying to get a different mislim going after the first one stalled.

The rolefishing seems bad (narrows down who might be doc, also the 'weird or normal roles' question could help scum with faking claims. Specifically I don't think we should say if there are thematic flavour elements in our PMs or not). But it does seem, particularly demona asking about doc, too blatant for scum to feel comfortable doing it.

This is a pretty weird game to try to read, it feels like listening to people talking underwater. I wouldn't be opposed to limming WhemeStar still (I think the flip would be more informative than waiting to get a read from their posts) but I was suspicious of CSF earlier and the switch to Enchant has pinged me again.

Okay yeah Imaginality can be town, love this post

[Meuh]

For the record there are several Mo posts I’ve felt the urge to respond to but ultimately doing so wouldn’t actually help us solve the game so I’m not

[Meuh]

am I the only one willing to vote demona at this point lol

I hope so

[Meuh]

i think most of my worries about biancospino have gone away

Actually I'm curious on this, because I liked her being more proactive, but the content of those proactive posts themselves was eyebrow raising

[Meuh]

Ok but it's not lke mo was afraid of voting phir

he voted phir thrice

Little moments like these just sit in the back of my mind and fill me with dread

[Meuh]

i think most of my worries about biancospino have gone away

Actually I'm curious on this, because I liked her being more proactive, but the content of those proactive posts themselves was eyebrow raising

Though regardless, the more active participation makes limming him less appealing than CSF (though I find CSF scummier at the moment anyways)

[Meuh]

Ok but it's not lke mo was afraid of voting phir

he voted phir thrice

...and then backed off, randomly saying Phir is probably town and throwing a vote on Drew instead

Fight with someone but be afraid to vote them

Like perhaps "be afraid to vote them" isn't the most accurate description, but it's weird framing to go "well he voted Phir thrice" without considering the random change in his read and the change in vote that went along with it

This basically

[Meuh]

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever E-2

If there was scum on WhemeStar it's probably this vote switch to Enchant because I don't think scum!Drew would switch to Mo (if Mo was a likely mislim that would've kicked off after the fake PR stuff).

And... eh I guess scum!bianco might see town!Phir as a possible mislim but CSF's vote on Enchant seems the most likely to be scum trying to get a different mislim going after the first one stalled.

The rolefishing seems bad (narrows down who might be doc, also the 'weird or normal roles' question could help scum with faking claims. Specifically I don't think we should say if there are thematic flavour elements in our PMs or not). But it does seem, particularly demona asking about doc, too blatant for scum to feel comfortable doing it.

This is a pretty weird game to try to read, it feels like listening to people talking underwater. I wouldn't be opposed to limming WhemeStar still (I think the flip would be more informative than waiting to get a read from their posts) but I was suspicious of CSF earlier and the switch to Enchant has pinged me again.

Okay yeah Imaginality can be town, love this post

Hmm.

What do you love about that post?

I can follow the thought processes here since they make sense + they line up with my own perspective a good deal
Just generally looks like townie thoughts
Though I think this is easier to fake in a once-in-a-while big post than in strings of smaller ones, so perhaps it doesn't hold as much weight as I'm giving it?

[Meuh]

UNVOTE:

[Meuh]

I don't think hammering right now is like, horrendous, but I also don't see why we should be rushing into it

[Meuh]

Waiting 5 days sounds boring though, I'm not doing that

[Meuh]

me hammering someone doesn't mean I scumrwsd them or townrwsd them. I just wanted a hammer thats all to move the game forward. I feel like csf and spino are both two good informative votes

i am rather opposed to hammers for "information" et cetera i just want to eliminate whoever seems to be the very most likely scums to me and almost everytime i deviate from this i end up regretting it

like literally that just means eliminating someone for little reason other than there was a wagon on them

Nah GrandpaMo is right here, some wagons have enough context around them that even if it's a townflip it still helps a lot with unravelling the mysteries of the game.

Not all wagons, though. Plus even a good info wagon is a bad hammer if it's too early in the day. But I am on GrandpaMo's side that it feels like a good time to advance the game with a CSF flip (which I think will flip scum anyhow, so two birds one stone).

+1 to this
Lims have an impact on the game beyond "is town or scum being flipped" that's worth being considered
imo town loses to a lack of motivation and active movement a LOOOOOOOOOT of the time and limming in ways to make sure momentum is maintained is a very important thing to think of with wagons

[Meuh]

VOTE: CSF

Double Scam

Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[Meuh]

Meh I guess so

[Meuh]

Putting the temptation to hammer in front of me like that is evil though

[Meuh]

I guess that probably explains the weirdness around hammering CSF? But I'm not too sure who mime would be

[Meuh]

I was fucking jubilant seeing the flip before I actually read the role

[Meuh]

Cat Scratch Fever (6): Greeting, imaginality, biancospino, GrandpaMo, Enchant, Cat Scratch Fever

2 of these people include mime and atleast 1 include scum.

i see imag and enchant being mime

I guess Imaginality's switch to CSF could be mime since it helped a lot in pushing that wagon forward, though like I just said, I feel like there was a mime around near EoD which is why the hammer was so weird
Enchant's voting only to put CSF on E-1 is really odd and could be a mime trying to look less bad on the CSF flip?

[Meuh]

Actually CSF was pushing Enchant wasn't she
I'm not sure a mime would push for their partner in the middle of being wagoned themselves? It'd be very odd gameplay, but maybe we're in unusual wifom territory with roles like mime

[Meuh]

Noticed something

@Imaginality

did you have a green check on me during day 1?

[Meuh]

UNVOTE:

nvm it's basically mime claim

who else need protection from nks with living doctor?

Actually I'm kinda curious about this cause Mo's odd gameplay could be explained by being mime

[Meuh]

is it true that this:

VOTE: grandpamo

is what you want?

You know, I'm contemplating this. Don't see the town motivation to put on this massive waste of time. I do see the Jester motivation if it's what you're alluding to.

1. This may just be spot on
2. Bianco specifically having jester in mind could be leaking from her being mime here?

[Meuh]

Like I remember my first scum game here, knowing that I was in a setup configuration that could have masons, I mentioned masons while I usually wouldn't have and got caught off of that

[Meuh]

But the whole stunt with the guardian angel claim manages to centralize attention on Mo while being a bad look (for wasting time + being a fake claim + the blue text thing) in a way that doesn't necessarily come off as needing to be from a jester since Mo can wave it away as being playstyle (which would explain the multiple mentions of the flexibility of his playstyle)

[Meuh]

Oh no two GranpaMo's.....I am gonna have to recruit the best of the best to counter that.

Also a vote on Bianco, ok now we are getting spicy.

ikr also can u stop like fakeclaiming and rlly claim ur greedy exec role that ur target is demona

hmmmmmmmmmmm
In the same vein as what I said about Bianco, the mention of exec here stands out

[Meuh]

Who's just regular scum though so we have people to lim

[Meuh]

Well I definitely am not believing anything coming out of GMOs mouth here.

Also, bad news.....I may not actually be cult leader.

Are you regular old scum instead???

[Meuh]

Wheme can you start wallposting so I can know if you're a good lim for today or not

[Meuh]

I didn't visit Demona

VOTE: Greeting

[Meuh]

You were

given

a power?

[Meuh]

Actually are you just mime

[Meuh]

This is why jester roles suck

UNVOTE:

[Meuh]

You were

given

a power?

Yes. And the result was you visiting

demona

. She was not visited by anyone else.

Yeah this is just not true
Can anyone attest to giving Greeting a power? I imagine there was no power given

[Meuh]

You were

given

a power?

Yes. And the result was you visiting

demona

. She was not visited by anyone else.

Yeah this is just not true
Can anyone attest to giving Greeting a power? I imagine there was no power given

Please ignore

Meuh

, she is role-fishing right now. Just vote her out, thank you.

Are you mime or mafia?

[Meuh]

That's the only role I want outed

[Meuh]

Actually damn this is surprisingly clever if you're maf
It means that flipping you is way too risky because you may be mime, and you could get a mislim on me which would help out a bunch

[Meuh]

VOTE: Greeting
I think you're smart enough not to make that play if you were mime

[Meuh]

I think this play makes more sense for mafia? For mime!Greeting I think it may be too obvious and fuck him over
Though Greeting/CSF is definitely worth taking a look at

[Meuh]

Greeting was first on CSF, fwiw

This is not true? Pretty sure I started that wagon and I'm like 80% sure Phir was on it first

[Meuh]

*first as in before Greeting, not before me

[Meuh]

The lightning’s devastations blaze
Along the thunder-crashes’ way:
Yet, Lord, your messengers, shall praise
The gentle passage of your day.

Votecount

Cat Scratch Fever (6): Greeting, imaginality, biancospino, GrandpaMo, Enchant, Cat Scratch Fever
Doctor Drew (1): Whemestar
GrandpaMo (1): Doctor Drew

not voting (3): demona, Phir, Meuh

Cat Scratch Fever was eliminated. She was a

mime

. It is now night 1, and will be so for 48 hours.

You are a

mime

.

At night, you can discuss the factional roleblock in this PT. You win when the mimes have been eliminated, but not killed. The game will end when you win. If a partner gets killed when you are still alive, you will also die and lose.

Oh you were probably looking at this, but Phir and I both unvoted near the deadline I think

[Meuh]

Noticed something

@Imaginality

did you have a green check on me during day 1?

As in am I a daycop with a result on you?
Nope. You just make the most sense to me of anyone with your posts. And actually seem to be trying to solve.

Ah okay, I was just looking back on your day 1 and noticed you following me around a lot and was hoping that was a sign of you knowing I was town >_>

Spoiler:

VOTE: demona

Completely disinterested in a demona wagon though, leaning town on her at the moment (I generally click with her mentality thus far and the frustration feels genuine, though frustration is the easiest emotion to fake as scum)

My initial vote on demona was a mix of cult meme silliness and it being good to get a wagon going, since her overreaction to a page 1 vote on her felt weird and I wanted to see what happened if more pressure was put on her.

I am not a fan of the AtE and her apparent focus on how she's being read compared with scumhunting. But her post when she was at E-2 asking for unvotes did have a genuine 'nervous town rather than scum' feel to it for me.

VOTE: unvote

Why tf are we considering a hammer this early

VOTE: Whemestar guess I can follow here
Putting anyone on E-1 is completely nonsencsical

Meuh's 140 is exactly what I thought, reading through just now.

I townread Meuh, demona, and Greeting (among other things I don't see scum motivation in questioning Mo's post restriction claim only to townread him anyhow)

Lean town on GrandpaMo (play so far reminds me more of chatgpt than DemonSlayer) and biancospino.

Null on FrozenAngel and Phil.

I think the scum (if 2 scum) are among DoctorDrew, CatScratchFever, and whemestar.

So I guess I'll join this: VOTE: whemestar

I think bianco's reason for thinking I'm town was kinda eh

Bianco is a better wagon than myko I reckon

And that seems like a bit of a stretch to call Gmo and Demona connected.

It wasn't like a super serious read, just something for me to look back on and think about if either ever flip scum

I don't think is likely that CSF is scum if both Mo and Demona are town. Otherwise that would be a pretty useless thing to note.

VOTE: Wheme, should be E-2

Well i guess it's not actually a townread but still feels eh

anyways my post restriction is coming up so ima be coasting

What is it?

I still kinda want to know what the pst restriction is and if it makes sense with his role

The only time I've seen a real posting restriction is where it made sense flavor wise

I could vote wheme but then people would just complain about e-1 again

Scummmmmmmmmmm
VOTE: CSF

I wonder if it's relevant that WhemeStar was actually only at E-3 when CSF said she wasn't going to vote WhemeStar to avoid being yelled at for E-1-ing them.

@Meuh what's your read on WhemeStar?

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever E-2

If there was scum on WhemeStar it's probably this vote switch to Enchant because I don't think scum!Drew would switch to Mo (if Mo was a likely mislim that would've kicked off after the fake PR stuff).

And... eh I guess scum!bianco might see town!Phir as a possible mislim but CSF's vote on Enchant seems the most likely to be scum trying to get a different mislim going after the first one stalled.

The rolefishing seems bad (narrows down who might be doc, also the 'weird or normal roles' question could help scum with faking claims. Specifically I don't think we should say if there are thematic flavour elements in our PMs or not). But it does seem, particularly demona asking about doc, too blatant for scum to feel comfortable doing it.

This is a pretty weird game to try to read, it feels like listening to people talking underwater. I wouldn't be opposed to limming WhemeStar still (I think the flip would be more informative than waiting to get a read from their posts) but I was suspicious of CSF earlier and the switch to Enchant has pinged me again.

[Meuh]

I think we need to lim Greeting here. If Greeting flips town we know Meuh is scum. If Greeting flips mafia great! If Greeting flips mime, ehhh not so great buuuuuuttt....

Yeah I agree, I think the Greeting lim has to happen and if he's mime then that sucks but it's a risk we'll have to take regardless, I don't think he is a mime either way since the fake guilty is too obvious and with a clear potential backlash

[Meuh]

I think we need to lim Greeting here. If Greeting flips town we know Meuh is scum. If Greeting flips mafia great! If Greeting flips mime, ehhh not so great buuuuuuttt....

This is nonsensical. I have a guilty on

Meuh

, not the other way around. Just eliminate her.

Can someone please tell me what is the rationale behind me being mafia and doing this? If

Meuh

were to flip town, and she will not, I would go down next anyway.

Because the game is now a minefield (mimefield?) because of the mimes. We can't use our main power (the lim) to its fullest extent because of it, and the mafia will want to take advantage of it by making themselves unlimmable by looking like a mime here. I also think taking me down when I've been actively solving and have been townread by plenty of people means that even if you get limmed right after me, the downside isn't so bad. I've said it before, town loses a LOOOOOOOOT of games to a lack of will to play, and bruteforcing deaths that slow town down is exactly what scum would want here.

[Meuh]

Hmm I wonder if 3 mimes would work here. I feel like getting 3 people limmed and not killed would be considered too difficult to be a win con? But if they're only against one other scum (5 scum in an 11p is insane) and with a factional roleblock, maybe that's it

[Meuh]

Though mimes being the main scum faction in a game called "Angels and Demons" would definitely be odd

[Meuh]

This is what we get for playing a bastard game, truly...

[Meuh]

I think we need to lim Greeting here. If Greeting flips town we know Meuh is scum. If Greeting flips mafia great! If Greeting flips mime, ehhh not so great buuuuuuttt....

Yeah I agree, I think the Greeting lim has to happen and if he's mime then that sucks but it's a risk we'll have to take regardless, I don't think he is a mime either way since the fake guilty is too obvious and with a clear potential backlash

In fact I'd argue the opposite, we want Greeting to survive today. A Mimes win IS show-stopping, so if Mime!Greeting is left alive scum

have

to try to deal with him themselves at night (and scum would know if he's a Mime).

We should elect to vote him

tomorrow

if he's still alive

What forces scum to kill mime!Greeting? I don't see how scum are forced to make that kill and that's like a core part of your logic here

[Meuh]

I think if Greeting were the mime then yeah, they probably don't go quite this blatantly for it.

This is patently nonsensical given that we

are

voting Greeting for exactly that play

People play the way they think is best, not necessarily what will functionally be best
"Oh but they got backlash for this" as a defence for a scummy action assumes that scum always play the best they can
Let me quote myself from the last game I played

What’s the point here????
Scum don’t play optimally. Regardless of what the reception to your takes were, they were ones a mafia member could easily think would be seen as reasonable and that people would agree with. It’s completely irrelevant whether or not people found it scummy, what’s relevant is that you as mafia would not expect them to.

[Meuh]

We decide today to vote him out tomorrow, as blackmail. If he is mime and not dead, they are voted out and scum lose (toghether with town, but scum don't care about that part). So if he's mime, scum must kill them unless they have reasons to believe there are 3 mimes

Things like these assume a commitment from all players to stick to them which oftentimes just doesn't happen. If we're willing to gamble this entire game on scum following along with that kill, we might as well just vote Greeting now

[Meuh]

Actually are you just mime

isnt the mech play to elim u. if ur scum, cool we got one scum out. if ur town, we get them out

I think if maf!Greeting is making this play it's to force a mislim right now, in which case scum are probably in a position where getting that mislim leads them to victory, even if it ends up with Greeting being caught
The margins are narrow enough that I don't really think mislimming me right now is worth the potential Greeting lim tomorrow

[Meuh]

VOTE: Greeting
I think you're smart enough not to make that play if you were mime

are u able to roleclaim? i dont think greeting would lie here so randomly. the only time they would lie is to get themeslves out but at the same time, that would just be too obvious. greeting couldf just easily hop on the wagon of voting me out or something. i think that if greeting is not lying, then greeting might have gotten redirected?

I guess I could roleclaim but I also don't adore the idea of claiming because of this push
I'd give Greeting the benefit of the doubt on redirection or bastard elements if Greeting himself had actually shown any of that sort of reconsideration that someone with actual info in a bastard game would have, but the immediate "Meuh is 100% scum and her trying to understand the situation is role fishing" feels agenda motivated. imo town!Greeting would actually have that same thought as you on a potential redirection, especially since they apparently townread me day 1. Instead, he's trying to shove a lim through.

[Meuh]

there is also a def higher planning thing where greeting and meuh are mimes together and they are orchestrating this whole thing to get one of the mime people out so that the mime leader stays alive till the rest of the game and can win.

Damn I wish this was true cause that sounds cool as hell

[Meuh]

We decide today to vote him out tomorrow, as blackmail. If he is mime and not dead, they are voted out and scum lose (toghether with town, but scum don't care about that part). So if he's mime, scum must kill them unless they have reasons to believe there are 3 mimes

thats faulty. i dont think scum ever kills mimes early this game. i think maf can keep them alive to fuck with town

Yeah this

[Meuh]

If you read Mime role flip carefully, it mentions "Partner". Not "Partners".

Wait actually with how it worded.

Well. Not sure.

The way it's worded says "a partner" which is wording that could work for both for 2 or 3 mimes. If anything, it's wording I think is more likely for 3 mimes, but also could be purposely nebulous by the mod so we can't know for sure

[Meuh]

If i was mafia in mime game, i probably would fakeclaim guilty in hopes everyone will think i am mime.

I probably would't do it as real mime, because... Well i am Enchant, i don't need outside help to die.

too real

[Meuh]

Aside from anything else if the power giver was town then there should be one player who believes Greeting (presumably they would give the shot to someone they townread).

It doesn't seem anyone does believe Greeting though so either the power giver is non-town or (more likely) Greeting is just lying.

I don't think Phir or Wheme have showed up yet so while I think Greeting is outright lying, we should probably leave some benefit of the doubt until then

[Meuh]

Aside from anything else if the power giver was town then there should be one player who believes Greeting (presumably they would give the shot to someone they townread).

It doesn't seem anyone does believe Greeting though so either the power giver is non-town or (more likely) Greeting is just lying.

I don't think Phir or Wheme have showed up yet so while I think Greeting is outright lying, we should probably leave some benefit of the doubt until then

What benefit of doubt

To it being some wacky bastard situation that somehow ended up with Greeting having false info

[Meuh]

[Meuh]

and everyone thought I was crZy

I still do

[Meuh]

Aside from anything else if the power giver was town then there should be one player who believes Greeting (presumably they would give the shot to someone they townread).

It doesn't seem anyone does believe Greeting though so either the power giver is non-town or (more likely) Greeting is just lying.

I don't think Phir or Wheme have showed up yet so while I think Greeting is outright lying, we should probably leave some benefit of the doubt until then

What benefit of doubt

To it being some wacky bastard situation that somehow ended up with Greeting having false info

ur not even confident yourself either.

i just dont see the benefit of greeting doing this play as scum.

UNVOTE:

I just don’t see why we wouldn’t at least let people speak up in case there’s some weird bullshit going on cause I’ve seen weirder things than an incorrect watcher check in the past
It benefits scum!Greeting by looking like a mime, and therefore not getting voted. Plus it gets me out of the picture. Setup seems pr heavy enough that numbers are the main thing that matters and mislimming me here could fuck things up massively
I’m not down for a 1 for 1 with Greeting unless you guys pinky promise you’ll vote him tomorrow and even then, promises like that are often not even followed through with

[Meuh]

Lol, check the wording of that answer.

Told you,.you can't trust the mod.

@mod does that mean in a hypothetical situation, if person x gave something to person y mid game, will you notify person y as soon as possible during midgame?

Why does this even matter?

Okay Greeting’s just scum, fuck the benefit of the doubt
Any sort of want to clarify on his supposed watcher check gets pushed back on, all he wants is me dead and nothing more

[Meuh]

If something is wrong with the result that I got then I might as well just vote myself out on Day 3, because a power that would give me a wrong Watcher shot, or a power that somehow falsifies the result (given that whomever falisifed that shot knew that I received the shot) would mean the setup is broken, even for a bastard game.

What's up with the defeatism?

Oh, I was just greatly annoyed by the fact that for once I made great use of

my role

by catching scum red-handed and some of the town want to eliminate me for this.

I can understand

Meuh

trying to save herself, but not players like

imaginality

or the rest who seem completely unimpressed by my result.

???

[Meuh]

Incorrect.

If we hit mime, we lose. Of course.

But considering all my experience of playing with jesters, EVERYONE drop tells they are jester, including town. In one game it was so fucking annoying, basically every wagon dismantled out of it.


We never win by fearing.

Enchant town on 43-44 and I like the way this post lines up with my mentality here
Nolim seems bad here and while hitting mime is a scary prospect, it’s a chance we’ll take with whoever we lim and I don’t think nolimming actually does anything for us

[Meuh]

Claiming guilty after realisation of mime game is what i do as mafia like 9 out of 10 and then just coast in hopes people will think i am mime and won't vote me.

And a mime that, as you, rekons that a scum would do that, would do the same in a bid to let us conclude they must be scum by this very token.

VOTE: Phir
I suspect voting no lim is a panic move to try to stop us from limming Greeting -- because Phir knows it will hit a Mime; which scum would if it's the case.

And yes, I see the hypocrisy

Hmm this is interesting
I think the way Bianco’s sticking to this mentality here is +town
You think it’s mime!Greeting and scum!Phir?
Not sure that fully clicks with me but I do agree that scum in a mime!Greeting world would be trying get votes elsewhere
Though why would scum not just push for me rather than trying to sell a nolim? I think that’s much simpler

[Meuh]

Not sure what to make of Phir’s posting today; it’s odd but I’m not sure what alignment it actually shows

[Meuh]

So let me get to it enchant:
*trust meuh
*'watcher' doesn't work with doc
*greeting scum totally does this
*no way greeting is mime(confident)

These are your reasons for this vote. You do not consider that there, in fact, exists a role that gifts one-shot abilities.

Thanks.

If there’s a role that gives 1 shot powers they should 1000% out, no one has said they have this ability

[Meuh]

For the record, I am against whomever gave me the one-shot Watcher power revealing themselves.

Translation: “Don’t scrutinize me, don’t think about this, you don’t need to think about the details, just follow me and vote Meuh!”

[Meuh]

Greeting has 0 intent to actually help, to actually solve, to actually help us move the game forward, his only intent is to push this lim through

[Meuh]

Any sort of want to clarify on his supposed watcher check gets pushed back on, all he wants is me dead and nothing more

I have not been interacting with your posts, because, unfortunately, based on the result that I have, you are 100% scum.

You are correct in that all I want today is you dead. And I do not want whomever gave me this ability to claim.

I have a red check on you which leaves no doubts, you are the only person who targeted

demona

last night. And she dropped dead.

The only possible reasons that this might be wrong is either the ability itself gives a wrong check or that my result was somehow falsified. None of which really make any sense. If we look at the ability that gives out wrong checks without considering which faction has this ability, it is very clear that it is far more likely to disproportionately harm town than mafia, which would make the game very unbalanced. If the result was somehow falsified, someone who did this must have known that I would be due to receive it or that someone would be giving it out. Which, overall, sounds very unlikely, especially if we are talking about Day 1.

The above is why, in 1024, I said that if my result is wrong then the game setup is broken. Even for a bastard game, the game is supposed to be fair and winnable for all factions, and not present an inherent disadvantage to any faction.

Which is why you’re just lying
There’s no falsified result, just lies
Which is why I want the supposed power giver to claim, because one of 3 things can happen
1. No one claims and it’s clear you’re lying (most likely)
2. Someone fake claims giving you the power and we can catch another scum off of it
3. We live in the world where you actually got a falsified result, in which case fuck that and I’m happy to lose

[Meuh]

Claiming guilty after realisation of mime game is what i do as mafia like 9 out of 10 and then just coast in hopes people will think i am mime and won't vote me.

And a mime that, as you, rekons that a scum would do that, would do the same in a bid to let us conclude they must be scum by this very token.

VOTE: Phir
I suspect voting no lim is a panic move to try to stop us from limming Greeting -- because Phir knows it will hit a Mime; which scum would if it's the case.

And yes, I see the hypocrisy

Hmm this is interesting
I think the way Bianco’s sticking to this mentality here is +town
You think it’s mime!Greeting and scum!Phir?
Not sure that fully clicks with me but I do agree that scum in a mime!Greeting world would be trying get votes elsewhere
Though why would scum not just push for me rather than trying to sell a nolim? I think that’s much simpler

Bianco is very much not town.

Why?

[Meuh]

Feeling always at least one non-town in Drew/Mo

[Meuh]

Cause the guilty’s fake

[Meuh]

Claiming guilty after realisation of mime game is what i do as mafia like 9 out of 10 and then just coast in hopes people will think i am mime and won't vote me.

And a mime that, as you, rekons that a scum would do that, would do the same in a bid to let us conclude they must be scum by this very token.

VOTE: Phir
I suspect voting no lim is a panic move to try to stop us from limming Greeting -- because Phir knows it will hit a Mime; which scum would if it's the case.

And yes, I see the hypocrisy

Hmm this is interesting
I think the way Bianco’s sticking to this mentality here is +town
You think it’s mime!Greeting and scum!Phir?
Not sure that fully clicks with me but I do agree that scum in a mime!Greeting world would be trying get votes elsewhere
Though why would scum not just push for me rather than trying to sell a nolim? I think that’s much simpler

Bianco is very much not town.

Why?

They ain't town.

Ahhhhh I hadn’t thought of that, good point!

[Meuh]

so no one is claiming that they gave power to greeting? I do not think greeting would just fake that then. something fishy is going on.


this makes me believe greeting more and more. can't believe I'm agreeing with drew

No one giving Greeting a power makes Greeting town?
I could keep digging through Greeting's posts to see what makes them scummy but I don't think this would actually help anyone in solving the game and would just output a bunch of noise
Kind of done arguing this point, I think the way Greeting's played around this is extremely scummy but we're not getting anywhere

May dig through some ISOs to get a better grasp on the rest of the game cause I'm feeling lost in that sense, I think a full readslist is pointless (game is too weird for that) but I wanna look over Phir/Drew/imaginality I think. May not be tonight but at some point

[Meuh]

VOTE: Meuh
gg!

[Meuh]

Oh gg
Thanks for modding Mykonian!

[Meuh]

I am a

Town Guardian Angel

Thee may asketh me any questions in the entire w'rld and I shall guideth thee and s'rve as a guardian by answ'ring by

true

'r

false

!