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Post #21 (isolation #2) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 5:47 am
Postby Mandate »
I already have one suspect in my sights.
User ""Brown Eyes"" clearly lacks brown eyes (they lied to me) and has claimed Miller which while I think it's possible could also be a defensive mechanism to preemptively avert cop checks on the player and in doing so prevent a guilty on them from being damning to their team. Does anyone have any mod meta on the likelihood of Isis including millers in their games?
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Post #22 (isolation #3) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 5:48 am
Postby Mandate »
On the other hand the user did post within an hour of the game starting which would indicate a level of enthusiasm that is not congruent with my perception of their enjoyment of scum role PMs, but I think this is a minor detail relative to the importance of this clear pattern of dishonesty that I am already noticing.
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Post #26 (isolation #4) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 5:51 am
Postby Mandate »
I know that I am impressive but I am observing that you have completely dodged any of the valid arguments that I have presented in favor of starting a wagon on a lurker. While I do agree that forcing players to be present is important and that we should punish this user for having literally zero posts to date, your failure to interact with my well thought out and elucidated scum case doesn't go unnoticed.
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Post #42 (isolation #7) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:05 am
Postby Mandate »
Also there's the bit about it being a very gentle/soft nudge in the direction of us going mercy route when town in Dunnstral position should want to push town very hard to go mercy route not be cagey about saying 'well genocide run is basically mountainous'.
It's not that it's a confident scumread but I have a few people I think are more likely town than not and Dunnstral is the only person who really pinged me thus far.
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Post #57 (isolation #9) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:13 am
Postby Mandate »
Well regardless of whether Dunnstral is town or scum they want us to go spare route mechanically because spare route rewards us if Toriel is town and punishes us if she is mafia.
So for me it's not that his first post was to say go spare it's the fact that it was sort of timid and indirect.
Dunnstral is important to discuss because the most important decision of the game is genocide vs pacifist route and we make that decision primarily based on our read on Toriel.
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Post #98 (isolation #17) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:41 am
Postby Mandate »
I think Brown Eyes and Dannflor are both town.
I'm mulling over the possibility of you and Keyleth being scum partners because there's some kinda strange associatives between the two of you but I think that Keyleth is not going to fold under pressure so I'm not really interested in voting there.
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Post #103 (isolation #18) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:48 am
Postby Mandate »
I'm not sure yet but I think they are balance of probabilities town and by townblocking fast scum who arrive to the game late are already under tons of pressure and there's telltale signs.
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Post #126 (isolation #25) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 7:06 am
Postby Mandate »
I don't really understand what you mean by parallel or why their read on me would even be relevant to you, you've heavily implied you townread me and it seemed like you townread Dann as well but it looks like you're chipping away looking for weaknesses.
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Post #129 (isolation #26) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 7:07 am
Postby Mandate »
Do you think it's a normal question when you have two townreads who are generally doing the same thing to ask them what their reads on each other are? Do you think I shouldn't be a little skeptical of that line of questioning, Taly?
Do you always bold usernames? It brings attention to the eyes but is also slightly intimidating.
I'm not new to mafia, no! Why do I give off that impression? I've played video mafia and forum mafia before although I saw undertale theme and was like 'omg I have to join this.'
I want to know more about this tbh, I thought what I said was pretty mild
saying you town lean toriel just seems like the safest possible thing you could say that can also be classified as game talk
and that is regardless of dunnstral's alignment
do you have thoughts on anyone else so far
Keyleth and Mandate passed the vibe check
Also whats safe here? I don't get how what I said is protective on a game that just began. Much less effective to try and pocket Dunn, hypothetically.
I mean I've sat here looking at this on and off for the last couple hours and I really do think this is just two scum, the way the two of them force an engagement with each other over everything else in thread at this point, the difference in tone from the surrounding commentary on actually game related materials, and the follow up behaviour. It's also worth pointing out that Keyleth in this game uses emojis exactly twice and they are both in these responses to Taly which helps to make that exchange stand out even more from everything else that the two of them have done this game.
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Post #167 (isolation #37) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 9:02 am
Postby Mandate »
It definitely helps that this is the kind of setup where I fully expect scum to be going full on buddying each other trying to make a pseudo townbloc and that perception of how scum would play the game meshes with both their forced interactions into mutual townread into Taly's fascination with what exactly the read dynamics are between me/Dannflor/Brown Eyes when I don't really think any of that is what he should be thinking about as a town player.
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Post #203 (isolation #38) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 10:16 am
Postby Mandate »
I can assure you that you are not going to correctly alt guess me, so I'd recommend finding some other more productive way to read my slot if that's what you're interested in.
In post 171, Keyleth wrote:
After that post from Mandate I feel even more content to vote the mercy route!
This makes no sense to say. I'm not saying I think you're scum for saying it, I haven't decided on you yet. I'm saying it literally makes no sense when it was just spelled out that we go mercy if we think Toriel is town, we don't if we think Toriel is scum. Mandate's thoughts on your shouldn't affect this at all.
I have no reason to not think Dunnstral is town right now, and with the points I gave Mandate it makes me feel even better. All you need is two more to win the game, right? It's easier to find townies then it is to find wolves. At least, to me it is!
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Post #225 (isolation #40) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 10:46 am
Postby Mandate »
My response is that you and Keyleth are still playing this exactly like I'd expect cospies to play this and nothing you do gives me a reason to reevaluate that. I should really check and see if you do this emotional blackmail play as scum because I have some hesitation on that but I'm not really in the mood to reread old games right now.
It you want me to reevaluate your slot the best way to go about doing that is finding scum, but you instead decided to vote me who all of your tone and posting suggests that you don't scumread, so...
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Post #233 (isolation #43) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 10:51 am
Postby Mandate »
I feel like you are implying that I am ruining the game for you which may be true from your point of view but I'm really unsure how I'm supposed to respond to that given that I'm not actively pushing a wagon on either you or your proposed cospy ATM and don't intend to for at least like a week within which time if you're town I may yet reevaluate?
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Post #240 (isolation #44) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 10:55 am
Postby Mandate »
Okay but how proficient at scum do you need to be to point that out, Sakura? It feels kinda easy to say in terms of getting towncred, no?
Ok no worries Taly it's six hours into day 1 and I am in no mega hurry to do anything. I'll advise again that you focus on sorting other people because I don't think you're going to find it easy to get anything useful to read from me when I find it hard to see past my scumread.
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Post #249 (isolation #46) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 10:58 am
Postby Mandate »
I think given a deep meta dive Taly should be conclusively solveable based on what has happened thus far, I'm just entirely uninterested in doing the work.
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Post #332 (isolation #57) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 12:24 pm
Postby Mandate »
I'll rethink Keyleth at some point since I did feel pretty strongly at one point they were scum but I've lost a lot of enthusiasm for the S-S pairing and barring that I don't really have a lot of reason to believe that they are scum
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Post #333 (isolation #58) » Wed Nov 01, 2023 12:27 pm
Postby Mandate »
In post 191, Aristeia wrote:
its strange that you are saying mandate is "griefing" you because doesnt that assume mandate is town?
In post 194, Aristeia wrote:
like if mandate is mafia and you're town then this wouldn't be a grief it would just be hyper aggression lining up lims and seizing thread control - your lack of any suspicion of this push is kind of ?? to me.
In post 210, Taly wrote:
you seem to know about this slot, what behavior here differs from your knowledge?
i dont know anything about the slot or the player history.
I just assume people when they get pushed in an overtly overbearing way and they're town find it annoying and will push back rather than shrink away.
I have an extreme dislike for this set of posts.
It feels like a lot like they are scum who wants Taly/Keyleth to scumread me and Dannflor back and establish a full conflict, like it's sort of putting words in their mouth that they should scumread me when Keyleth explicitly wasn't scumreading me and Taly gave little evidence of doing so, why exactly should someone believe that a push on them can only be in bad faith?