Toriel's Patience (end)

[Sakura Hana]

Hello i'm rusty, pls curry me.
Also I'm gonna assume that nothing interesting happened in the first 6 pages for the time being

because i dont have time to read them

[Sakura Hana]

After that post from Mandate I feel even more content to vote the mercy route!

This makes no sense to say. I'm not saying I think you're scum for saying it, I haven't decided on you yet. I'm saying it literally makes no sense when it was just spelled out that we go mercy if we think Toriel is town, we don't if we think Toriel is scum. Mandate's thoughts on your shouldn't affect this at all.

I have no reason to not think Dunnstral is town right now, and with the points I gave Mandate it makes me feel even better. All you need is two more to win the game, right? It's easier to find townies then it is to find wolves. At least, to me it is!

Keyleth's probably town for this post.

[Sakura Hana]

Why?

Looks like a decent strategy to win.

[Sakura Hana]

Why?

Looks like a decent strategy to win.

Why would scum not suggest building a townblock in this setup...?

Because uhh....

thoughts pending

I guess there's no reason not to no. But my first instinct when I saw that post was "Oh yeah it's easier to find townies than find scum, so it's probably easier to win by townhunting here"

[Sakura Hana]

Okay but how proficient at scum do you need to be to point that out, Sakura? It feels kinda easy to say in terms of getting towncred, no?

I feel like it sounded a bit more natural than that, but you're free to disagree I suppose.
Now if townhunting is the optimal strategy, why are you trying to find the scumteam already within 10 pages of starting day 1?

[Sakura Hana]

Because limming scum on d1 and d2 is the primary goal right now and we can think about what comes later later?

I see, although... that sounds like a tall order tbh, how often does that happen in games?

[Sakura Hana]

Because limming scum on d1 and d2 is the primary goal right now and we can think about what comes later later?

I see, although... that sounds like a tall order tbh, how often does that happen in games?

2 shots at hitting scum in an 11:3 mountainous really isn't terrible? and I also don't see in what way the point you're making proves that we shouldn't be scumhunting here.

I don't think you shouldn't be scumhunting here, I'm just talking about Mandate's rebutal or questioning to my TR on keyleth.

[Sakura Hana]

100% of the games dannflor is town in have d1 and d2 scum eliminations

this number is totally real just check my wiki

So if we eliminate town either d1 or d2, does that mean we eliminate you?

[Sakura Hana]

i think if i was you and town i would be suspicious of someone coming to my defense in the way sakura did

I think if i was you, and town, i wouldn't misrepresent a townread for a defense in the way you're portraying this.

[Sakura Hana]

sakura did you read the first 6 pages of the game

Not yet, I had some time so I figured i'd try to engage in some conversation for the time being, i'll read them after dinner. Which i have to go to in a couple mins.

[Sakura Hana]

Put them in a spoiler so it doesnt become some sort of wall with quotes and thoughts.

Spoiler: Thoughts on First 6 pages

I am just a VT.

I would post mroe but I have nothing to respond to since no one else has really been talking.

????

i also claim vt

????????

Is there some sort of meme i'm not getting? What's the point of claiming VT, i thought this was mountainous?

it's auto win if we kill scum d1 and d2 ya

OOOHHH!
I see now why everyone's trying so hard to achieve this now...

sorry im slow (and rusty)

I'm assuming the benefit of mercy is to townhunt.

I'm also somewhat incoherent atm

Ok so it was mentioned before... ok nevermind what i said about Key then.

Wow glad I'm not a wolf way too much pressure.

Uhhhhh what

It comes across as a very forced towntell, Keyleth.

Hey something i agree with from you.

It comes across as a very forced towntell, Keyleth.

Honestly, not the first time this has happened to me. People normally question why I'm so apologetic but I sort of just type without thinking. I can try to pull it back a little if it's annoying.

Not sure how i feel about this, kinda feels sincere.

[Sakura Hana]

After all that i think Taly and Mandate is probs TvT
Strong townread on Dannflor

[Sakura Hana]

Mandate is definitely not busing Keyleth, they dont look SvS. The towntell comment would've been in a scum pt otherwise methinks, or the "forced towntell" wouldn't have even existed.

[Sakura Hana]

So far all roads seem to indicate that Taly and Mandate are both town and misunderstanding each other.

[Sakura Hana]

Some of Keyleth's reactions seem forced and some seem sincere <possibly a playstyle thing?>

[Sakura Hana]

I probably could've condensed that into 1 post, my apologies, i just kept getting new thoughts everytime i made a post.

[Sakura Hana]

can you elaborate on your taly town read

also your me town read while you're at it

I feel like you're scumhunting in good faith, specially in your engagements early on and your early scumread of keyleth.
Taly, well that's gonna be harder because it's mostly gut, but i felt Taly was misrepresented at some point early on by Mandate, and that escalated, while Taly is just asking for some space. Hard to explain it any better than that atm.

[Sakura Hana]

thought so too but im wondering if im going to end up with too many "you look town" hmmmm.

which isnt a thought specific to

implosion

Funny you mention that, i think i'm falling into that right now because beeboy and implosion's catch up, feel towny.

[Sakura Hana]

<snip> idk who

merlyn

and is my brain has nothing in it when i think of

brown eyes

I actually have a hard time keeping track of 13 other players at the same time, this is mostly a problem in larges, but this one is at least the samallest large size.
But idk if it's a side-effect of it or not, but i feel like Brown eyes has been mentioned a few times and i cant even remember that they are a player in this game nor what they have done.

[Sakura Hana]

this is a pretty competent playerlist

i dont know about

beeboy

just yet, where are you on that

sakura

?

also you are different vibes from that

RC

game where everyone trolled the shit out of me and you won as scum, so thats a good sign.

When i read his catchup sounds like he more or less arrived at the same reads as me except for Dann and Dunn. Dann was the opposite of my read, and I dont really have a read on Dunn as of right now.

[Sakura Hana]

Ari u tell me if Beeboy is town when he posts we will invite him into our kingdom

can i join

Where did this come from?

[Sakura Hana]

or, last page...

or N'th page.

No worries, i was just commenting as i read.

Had a slight suspicion for a bit but it vanished afterwards when i kept reading.

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura

, how did you conclude that

Mandate/I

are TvT? I may have missed it

You did miss it:

So far all roads seem to indicate that Taly and Mandate are both town and misunderstanding each other.

A little bit more elaborate was mentioned when i explained my TR of you here:

Taly, well that's gonna be harder because it's mostly gut, but i felt Taly was misrepresented at some point early on by Mandate, and that escalated, while Taly is just asking for some space. Hard to explain it any better than that atm.

[Sakura Hana]

oh what a refreshingly accurate take on my motives

cookies for you

I do like some cookies so thanks!

[Sakura Hana]

is today a normal lim day?

Yes, but Dunn's vote has double strength as far as I understand it, and Dunn cant be eliminated.

[Sakura Hana]

<snip>
i find it interesting i got a lot of townreads after i left the thread because the consensus was that i was aligned with

Key

before i did

Correct me if im wrong, but wasnt Mandate the only one thinking you and key were aligned.

[Sakura Hana]

sakura is probably the easiest player in the playerlist to read and she's p townie so far

Am i that easy to read?

I bet Taly would disagree lol

[Sakura Hana]

she's more self conscious as mafia and makes posts that feel like she's thought them through more

Oh ok i get it now.
Yeah that does sound about right.

[Sakura Hana]

I think im fine moving Ari to the townbin for now.

[Sakura Hana]

sakura is probably the easiest player in the playerlist to read and she's p townie so far

Am i that easy to read?

I bet Taly would disagree lol

I STILL FEEL LIKE I GOT PUNKED THAT GAME

Personally I think it was p obvious she was mafia that game since she was killing mafia left and right but somehow they never shot her but I think its probably easier to point out such things as an observer/in hindsight.

In hindsight, yes it was a pretty reckless strategy, but it was a strategy i had to take coz my teammates self-imploded that game so I didnt have confidence i could salvage them.
I dunno how i got away with that.

[Sakura Hana]

Yes if you think someone is scum you should treat them like the degenerate garbage subhuman filth that would have the disgusting moral failing of receiving a sc*m role pm in an undertale game.

This makde me laugh, thanks

[Sakura Hana]

When she made this post, added with the "Sakura's posts left me perplexed", I thought she was mindmelding with me that Sakura wasn't that townie.

Ah this reminds me @Meuh can u tell me

why

you were townreading me when you posted 321?

[Sakura Hana]

maybe i should've bolded

@Meuh

, so ill do that just in case.

[Sakura Hana]

sakura

, how do you read

meuh

rn?

That's what im trying to figure out right now, at least Ari explained her TR of me in edtail, but i dont recall an explanation from Meuh.

If i missed it, my apologies, as i said before it's hard to keep track of 13 other players, just quote it in that case

[Sakura Hana]

Oddly enough people are saying stuff like Sakura Hana is the easiest player in the game to read but I think our #1 loss condition is Sakura+Dunn being 2 scum here and I'm actually very stressed about it

????

[Sakura Hana]

I am very confused right now by that post.
I can understand Dunn's alignment being very important mechanically.
I dont understand why my alignment makes or breaks our win in the game tho.

[Sakura Hana]

I think Mandate's paranoia on me is townie, i mean i already townread them, but this just reinforces it more.

[Sakura Hana]

I know this sounds counterintuitive and this applies to most of the playerlist, but I find it suspicious that there is a lack of scumreads, much less ones that arent consensus.

Mood

I didn't want point that out before though because I was being kinda distrusted and didn't want to be seem as attempting to "break the townblock" or something but it all feels rather shaky to me

Townreads are being given left and right here with relative ease

/shrug

This actually happened in my last game, funnily enough. The "Everyone that is posting feels towny" thing.

[Sakura Hana]

This actually happened in my last game, funnily enough. The "Everyone that is posting feels towny" thing.

Were they right?

I think so, i dont remember if people townread firebringer or not, i was mostly "not wanting to lim him day 1 coz he liked playing with me" but i did point out that he was playing to his scum meta at some point, then i die N1.
The other 2 were very low posters, Dunn and Random Nurse.
So for the most part, yes, they were right, although there was paranoia that scum was just very skilled instead of scum being in the low posters.

[Sakura Hana]

Speaking of which Dunn posting more this game than that game, is possibly because he's town here. So i guess there's that.

[Sakura Hana]

The optimist in me wants to think that Dann's dissapearance from the thread is because the thread is moving fast and he hasn't had time to post like he did at thread start.
Is that a silly thing to think.

[Sakura Hana]

"Superficially good" huh

[Sakura Hana]

VOTE: Dannflor

I want to see where this goes, because I want to know if

Dann's

aggression <---> step back approach is scum-motivated satisfied with the current thread's hapless direction.

<snip>

You know what sure
VOTE: Dannflor

[Sakura Hana]

Can people just use post code so it's easier to follow

Code: Select all

[post]448[/post]

Turns out 448

[Sakura Hana]

I like Dann's Sakura vote

It goes against thread consensus, especially the most vocal players, and I think in his position (being pressured) as scum he may have gone for more amenable reads to others

Interesting stance, considering he literally twisted my words to make them appear scummy.
Anyway, wrt Dann's argument:
744 was me trying to believe in my initial TR of Dann in spite of the people scumreading him, but finding it hard to defend it with him being gone.
772 was me reading those words, and figuring out that probably it was my lack of skill that got taken in to townread him too early and eventually deciding to help pressure him on 774.
It doesn't take a genious to figure out the trajectory of my read across those 3 posts, yet he phrases it as me "asking for permission to vote him", who the heck ever thinks that.
Only scum wanting to dismantle the townreads on me.

[Sakura Hana]

758 not 744 surely

Yes, woops.

[Sakura Hana]

I like Dann's Sakura vote

It goes against thread consensus, especially the most vocal players, and I think in his position (being pressured) as scum he may have gone for more amenable reads to others

Interesting stance, considering he literally twisted my words to make them appear scummy.
Anyway, wrt Dann's argument:
758 was me trying to believe in my initial TR of Dann in spite of the people scumreading him, but finding it hard to defend it with him being gone.
772 was me reading those words, and figuring out that probably it was my lack of skill that got taken in to townread him too early and eventually deciding to help pressure him on 774.
It doesn't take a genious to figure out the trajectory of my read across those 3 posts, yet he phrases it as me "asking for permission to vote him", who the heck ever thinks that.
Only scum wanting to dismantle the townreads on me.

Fixed

[Sakura Hana]

Interesting stance, considering he literally twisted my words to make them appear scummy.

i don't know why you are jumping to this

i am not convinced you are hard scum but i do think my wagon was kind of in a weird place for scum to interact with and you interacted with it weirdly

I'm phrasing it as i see it.
P-Edit:
I explained it pretty well, i saw people scumreading you, I wanted to defend you but couldn't, tried to find literally any reason to validate my initial TR on you because i townread you very hard, then reading the words "you being superficially good" hung on my head, thinking maybe i got taken in by that and gave you a TR by mistake, and decided to pressure you.
Like what else would you even think 772 is.

[Sakura Hana]

My initial impression was that scum Sakura would not vote the person she said she was townreading in that way but it's the kind of play that town makes sometimes because it seemed more like a pressure let's see what this does vote but eh

I mean i figured the sequence of posts made it pretty obvious methinks.

[Sakura Hana]

@Taly:

I would like to know what you think of

Dannflor's

accusation of my post.

[Sakura Hana]

I just don't scumread

Sakura, Dunn

I once caught her as scum based on tone immediately and I don't get it here in the slightest

ngl i thought this was a solid defense

hey do you mind linking this game?

viewtopic.php?t=88188 it's a pretty long one.

[Sakura Hana]

can you give quote

sakura

?

Here:

The optimist in me wants to think that Dann's dissapearance from the thread is because the thread is moving fast and he hasn't had time to post like he did at thread start.
Is that a silly thing to think.

I think this is a scum post

it reads as asking permission to join my wagon

[Sakura Hana]

what is your read progression on him?

I like Dann's Sakura vote

It goes against thread consensus, especially the most vocal players, and I think in his position (being pressured) as scum he may have gone for more amenable reads to others

Interesting stance, considering he literally twisted my words to make them appear scummy.
Anyway, wrt Dann's argument:
758 was me trying to believe in my initial TR of Dann in spite of the people scumreading him, but finding it hard to defend it with him being gone.
772 was me reading those words, and figuring out that probably it was my lack of skill that got taken in to townread him too early and eventually deciding to help pressure him on 774.
It doesn't take a genious to figure out the trajectory of my read across those 3 posts, yet he phrases it as me "asking for permission to vote him", who the heck ever thinks that.
Only scum wanting to dismantle the townreads on me.

Fixed

[Sakura Hana]

Although I guess at this point, maybe my read trajectory wasn't as obvious as I originally thought huh.

[Sakura Hana]

I still think he phrased it in an

accusatory

way to try and get me eliminated rather than try to read my alignment. The way he called attention to it doesnt sound like someone figuring out my alignment.

[Sakura Hana]

Never has a townie ever called someone out in an accusatory way for voting them when they were according to the in thread progression of their reads their top townread.

Uh, i dont understand this can you rephrase it?

[Sakura Hana]

I am saying that according to a surface level reading of your posts you just turned around and voted your top townread because people started voting them, as a spectator to the conflict I see it differently but I don't think it should be altogether surprising to you that, after you vote someone who you were previous townreading, they have a very negative view of you and it twists the way they perceive your posts.

I see. I guess you're right yeah, i'm probably bias coz I myself struggled to even come to terms that i may have given Dannflor an early TR to then be attacked by him for me changing my mind.

[Sakura Hana]

UNVOTE:

[Sakura Hana]

UNVOTE:

i'd be interested to know what your read on me now is

sorry if you think ive been uncharitable or putting words in your mouth or something

Now that the reason for my doubt of my TR of you is gone im TRing you again. Besides as I said my vote was mainly for pressure and the need for that is gone as well.

[Sakura Hana]

i guess im just kinda perplexed that me being gone from the thread for 6 hours or whatever made you doubt your town read on me

Am i not explaining myself clearly?
I saw some people mention a SR on you and vote you, I saw Taly's post mentioning something about you being gone coz you were "scum happy with the current situation" or something similar (at least that's how i interpreted it) and i'm like "maybe there's another explanation for this" but then i remember someone, dont remember who, mentioning you were "Superficially good" and i'm like "did i get taken in by someone being superficially good and wrongly TR them?" and decided to help apply pressure on you.

Idk how else to explain it more clearly.

[Sakura Hana]

Who is Sharon?

[Sakura Hana]

I’ll def vote and push people n1 but I won’t pretend I’m good at it lmao.

this game doesnt have a n1 tho

[Sakura Hana]

Unproductive they’ll either start playing or get replaced, they are so inactive I don’t think voting them will change anything and might even scare them off the thread ngl.

Alisae doesnt strike me as a person that being voted would scare e off the thread.
But if e is busy then i doubt voting would accomplish much in terms of information.

[Sakura Hana]

RC?

[Sakura Hana]

Oh god, a wall of text war.

[Sakura Hana]

@BE: So you have me as your strongest TR along with Merlyn, but i dont find any indication as to why i'm a TR in your notes.

[Sakura Hana]

@BE: So you have me as your strongest TR along with Merlyn, but i dont find any indication as to why i'm a TR in your notes.

Those

were

my reads as of roughly page 18 or 19, and none of them were particularly strong, they're just listed in relational order.

I see, i assumed those reads were the result of your notes. Still weather they are weak or not, you still listed me along with Merlyn at the top which means we are your strongest TR at the time, and i just ctrl+F your ISO and dont see my name outside of the quote you just made so.
Why am i a TR to you?

[Sakura Hana]

What do you find important about

BE's

read on you

Sakura

?

I feel like a lot of people townread me at this point, and i find it weird that B.E. puts me as a weak townread (although at the top of the reads list) and not mention me anywhere. Almost as if just following general consensus.

[Sakura Hana]

Haha.
I wonder if it's just a me thing, i used to be very pocketable... dunno if I still am, but sometimes i get wary of townreads of me that seem to come out of nowhere.

[Sakura Hana]

I think scum are either voting me or inactive right now.
And I don't think that's a bad way to think when part of the reason I'm being voted is poor content/lack of content when like there is multiple people doing less than me :V

It feels super strange to me.

To me it felt like you were being voted out of PoE

[Sakura Hana]

Oh that reminds me, I have a fairly good guess about who Mandate might be now.
And I'm curious why you say his posts feel manufactured.

[Sakura Hana]

Idfk who scum is lol

Damn, and here I was hoping you came with a 1000000 reasons why someone is scum so i could sheep you coz im stuck too.

[Sakura Hana]

VOTE: Implosion
Let's nudge here, why don't we?

VOTE: implosion

????

[Sakura Hana]

You know what, i'm not gonna ask anymore, i'm just gonna hope someone that's good at the game gives me some guidance while I figure out where my head is at.

[Sakura Hana]

wait that was a decent post from

meuh

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

to anyone who townreads me i need help in this game omg

Welcome to my world

[Sakura Hana]

You know, thinking about it:

VOTE: Implosion
Let's nudge here, why don't we?

VOTE: implosion

????

You know what, i'm not gonna ask anymore, i'm just gonna hope someone that's good at the game gives me some guidance while I figure out where my head is at.

I think this reaction would be kind of incredible to fake as scum. Like, I've been vaguely lurking and beeboy has been talking about thinking their wagon was scum driven and so i feel like replying to beeboy jumping on me with a ???? after beeboy just listed me near the bottom of their reads list the previous page is just like, something scum who care sharply about how they're perceived would never do. I think sakura is already (widely?) townread but this cements it pretty hard for me sort of in the vein of the philosophy that I think Shirou mentioned earlier of trying to read people off a few key posts, which I think I kind of agree with or at least am interested in thinking about as a philosophy of forum mafia.

Isn't this kinda the same reason people mentioned about this being my towngame a long time ago but in a lot more words?:

I think the main thread roleplaying was even funnier at some points though

but maybe that's just me

p-edit: Sakura...townie?

she's got a lot of idc energy

[Sakura Hana]

I get why Implo would get a day 1 pass and I would usually advocate for it (stuff like EV is generally useful and he's posting in a way that feels helpful) but nothing he's said is actually town indicative and we're starving for scumreads... I think that's the exact kind of slot we need to reconsider in this type of situation

Speaking of this.
Do you think implo would have a reason to post the EV stuff as scum.

[Sakura Hana]

Like that's the one thing on my head, i dont think at the time (although i cant remember havent double checked) anyone was specially suspecting implo, and as scum he could've stayed silent about the EVs and go with whatever better strategy for his scumteam would be.
Or am i just looking too much into something that's NAI.

[Sakura Hana]

VOTE: implosion

[Sakura Hana]

I think the

Alisae's

low WIM could be scum indicative.

My memory of Alisae disagrees. E loves to play scum, which is why i havent voted e out of inactivity/not playing.

[Sakura Hana]

So does mine but I have thoughts countering that right now.

I see, i don't have an issue then, but i won't join you. Just wanted to let you know if you didn't know.

[Sakura Hana]

Unless Beeboy is a really really talented mafia player who I should be looking at in another light.

Beeboy is a really really talented mafia player who you should be looking at in another light.
.
.
.
Ok i cant even say that with a straight face XD
Just kidding btw.

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura what's your general readslist

I townread almost everyone and i think i need a reset.
Don't townread Alisae, implosion kinda fell off, wasn't townreading Meuh initially until the implosion case, don't townread Brown Eyes, Don't townread Merlyn.

Actually might be better to look at the actual playerlist because I keep forgetting people.

[Sakura Hana]

Dannflor - Eh towny?
Aristeia - Idk
Lazy Shirou - Idk
Brown Eyes - Idk
Dunnstral - Most likely town
Meuh - Most likely town
Merlyn - Idk
Keyleth - Town
Mandate - Town
Alisae - Idk
Taly - Town
implosion - Probs scum
beeboy - Town

Actually I townread a lot less people than i thought i did.

[Sakura Hana]

Idk why im drawing a blank everytime i try to think what i think of Ari or Shirou, despite them having posted several thoughts already.

[Sakura Hana]

Also did BE just vanish again mid catchup (And never told me why they TR me)

[Sakura Hana]

Idk I think the Meuh Implo case is by far the scummiest thing in the game right now

If you have the energy to do so, can you explain why.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm also a little confused by Dunnstral townreads, not because I scumread him but I consider him aggressively impossible to get a bead on this game

In my case, it's because he was a lot less active in my recent game with him where he was scum.

[Sakura Hana]

I mean... the game isnt actually that recent anymore, but it's literally my latest game before this one.

[Sakura Hana]

Dunn

is far less clinical here than as scum.

>Clinical(?)

[Sakura Hana]

Idk I think the Meuh Implo case is by far the scummiest thing in the game right now

If you have the energy to do so, can you explain why.

internal screaming

I've been struggling to even find scum in this game, i see finally someone post a case on someone that looks decent so i sheep them and now i'm being told that the case is the scummiest thing in the game. How do you think THAT makes me feel.

[Sakura Hana]

I think im fine moving Ari to the townbin for now.

Oh right, I forgot Ari did that meta thing that i townread her for.
Idk why i was blanking out on it before.

[Sakura Hana]

This read is less specific ("the way they're thinking about the game", "evolution of stances"), though I think Implo going out of his way to explain why a widely townread player is town isn't the best look?

Okay, now I'm getting frustrated. When I explain why Sakura is town and mention that she's a consensus townread, it's scummy. When I explain why Mandate is town but don't mention that they're a consensus townread, it's scummy. Am I not allowed to have opinions about consensus townreads? Like, you say this about consensus townreads:

It's not really a consideration I have when posting reads as town.

And now you say this:

I think Implo going out of his way to explain why a widely townread player is town isn't the best look?

As though it

should

be a consideration that I have when posting reads as town, because it's scummy to post a townread on someone who is already consensus town.

Huh, this is a good point actually.

I'm still not entirely sure who's the one pulling a fast one on me here, and i'm currently too tired. But since there's a chance my vote is in the wrong place right now i'll just remove it for the time being.
UNVOTE:

[Sakura Hana]

Man, this is the downside of being a consensus townread i feel like people keep pulling my arms in different directions until they rip them off my body or something.
Either way, i'm not placing down a vote until i finish my nap.

[Sakura Hana]

Okay, reading that with a fresh mind, i guess it makes sense.
VOTE: Meuh

[Sakura Hana]

Making me realize how little of this playlist I've actually played with before
Meh you can mislim me and then next time I play with you all, maybe you won't

If you and implo are town then who's scum

[Sakura Hana]

What can town agree on

?

We should all be giving 3 names for a D1 PoE elimination.

I mean you can look at my latest reads list, and add all the Idk except for Ari coz i forgot about my TR there.

[Sakura Hana]

You forgot BE

[Sakura Hana]

I mean it's fine i forgot too and only noticed when i went to compare with my previous reads list to put my PoE in.

[Sakura Hana]

Like this?

Dannflor
Arisetia
Alisae - Sakura
Taly
Mandate
Sakura
Dunnstral
implosion
beeboy
Meuh
Lazy Shirou - Sakura
Merlyn - Sakura
Keyleth
Brown Eyes - Sakura

Place your name next to someone if they're in your PoE

[Sakura Hana]

I think the best way to describe my towngame most of the time is "soft PoE" - I get some townreads I feel good about, and then over time I try to refine those reads to see which ones I feel ought to persist in the face of a changing gamestate. I tend to have a harder time finding confident scumreads, but it does sometimes happen. So I usually wind up generally trying to work with the people that I'm hard townreading to sort the soft PoE over time. But I think my day one reads are like, probably roughly =rand.

So, you basically townhunt?

[Sakura Hana]

i want someone to ask me questions

How much is 30x10-5+2x5

[Sakura Hana]

rap battle

Ohhh

[Sakura Hana]

What's a parakeet?

[Sakura Hana]

You guys are making me want to play temtem again

[Sakura Hana]

But really no questions for me? It gets my brain going.

I asked you a question! And you responded!
So this post is a lie, therefore you're scum!

[Sakura Hana]

I actually think Meuh started sounding a lot worse when she was (I'm assuming) taken out of her comfort zone by the direction the game went so don't take this as me lacking personal enthusiasm just

I am exhausted

I mean I agree on Alisae but I don't want to wagon them D1 unless we stall til close to deadline (which I'm perfectly fine to do I don't mind not majjing a Lim) and e still hasn't done anything

Heads up... if we don't reach majority mafia get to pick someone to be eliminated

Wait, WHAT?!

[Sakura Hana]

If majority is not achieved by deadline, I will privately contact the mafia to decide on behalf of the town.

Oh wow, i remember reading these, and this completely slipped by when i did.

[Sakura Hana]

No wagon has had traction from the level of disagreements about scumreeads though.

I'm suspicious of players who have a low PoE pool rn.

I was kinda curious if the general lack of scumreads has been the scum's doing all along.

[Sakura Hana]

Merlyn because reasons

I think "because reasons" isnt a good reason right now. I don't TR Merlyn, why do you.

[Sakura Hana]

Very curious who you think this implicates and why

Well you'll stay curious coz i got no idea who it could be and i also wonder if it's even possible to control the thread to such levels.

[Sakura Hana]

why that's a thought you had

It's the first thing that came to my mind when i read that rule, figured it was better said than kept.

[Sakura Hana]

ohhh

like maybe scum are specifically angling to get to choose the elimination?

Yeah, because this game has been weird with scum being near goddamn invisible and no one being able to agree on anything.

[Sakura Hana]

don't worry my citizens

i've the power of god and anime on my side and i shall restore peace and union in the thread through the holy glory of cute gifs

[Sakura Hana]

Seeking replacement for Mandate

sigh

And I was happy to finally play with you again.

[Sakura Hana]

tl;dr me please i have not followed this game

You have replaced the divine mandate, so you're now in the position to lead us all to greatness!
.
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.
Also idk how i'd tl;dr this game. There's quite a lot that has happened.

[Sakura Hana]

I guess the most important things of note, Meuh made a case against implosion, implosion responded, your predecessor called it the scummiest post ever and went against Meuh, I sheeped him, then Ari stated a scumread on implo, your predecessor and Dann, then your predecessor exploded, argued with Ari, things escalated and both replaced out.

And Alisae has been absent the entire game.

There's other things that have happened but those are the ones i have the most fresh on my memory.

[Sakura Hana]

And for the majority of the game we've struggled to find scum, so I literally wanted anything that could help guide my vote, hence the sheeping.

[Sakura Hana]

I'll just quote what i told Ydrasse but replace the respective predecessors.

I guess the most important things of note, Meuh made a case against implosion, implosion responded, Mandate called it the scummiest post ever and went against Meuh, I sheeped him, then your predecessor stated a scumread on implo, Mandate and Dann, then Mandate exploded, argued with your predecessor, things escalated and both replaced out.

And Alisae has been absent the entire game.

There's other things that have happened but those are the ones i have the most fresh on my memory.

And for the majority of the game we've struggled to find scum, so I literally wanted anything that could help guide my vote, hence the sheeping.

[Sakura Hana]

Ali, if i recall last game you scumread me and only until we had a shouting match you ended up townreading me, heck idek if you townread me after that or you had to see my flip after i got killed N1. Either way i'd like to know why you're townreading me this game.

[Sakura Hana]

I feel like after the replacements my WIM took a big hit, which caused me to get stuck i feel like i'm reading things and nothing's sticking, i don't even know what to make of Alisae's reply to me.

[Sakura Hana]

do you still scum read implosion, sakura

Not really no.

[Sakura Hana]

@Taly

What are your reads looking like right now?

[Sakura Hana]

This site drives me crazy sometimes with it's downtimes.

[Sakura Hana]

Freedom and Shirou on the same tier looks interesting.
I thought you'd have Freedom higher based off your posting.

[Sakura Hana]

I think I trust my tonal read of

Shirou

a decent amount.
<snip>

Can you explain/quote this tonal read? i've been looking through your ISO, and i can't find it.

[Sakura Hana]

lol.

I still cant shake that weird feeling i got from Merlyn back when she voted me.

[Sakura Hana]

lol.

I still cant shake that weird feeling i got from Merlyn back when she voted me.

Expand perhaps?

It's hard to explain, so i'll just call it gut, but if i tried... idk, like, it felt like someone wanting to jump in to dismantle one of the most townread players in the game?, i don't remember anymore, also dont even remember if i explained it back then, but all I remember is that after i got a plausible explanation for Dann i just backed off and forgot about Merlyn... i think?

[Sakura Hana]

I just don't scumread

Sakura, Dunn

I once caught her as scum based on tone immediately and I don't get it here in the slightest

ngl i thought this was a solid defense

hey do you mind linking this game?

viewtopic.php?t=88188 it's a pretty long one.

I guess nothing came out of this either...
Hmm

It's a shame i can't ask her anymore. Maybe I should focus on freedom but i have a hard time reading him.

[Sakura Hana]

Eh, I feel like i'm just grapsing for straws at this point.
Trying to find other scumreads instead of just sheeping Mandate's case.
But I keep getting stuck everytime i try.

[Sakura Hana]

I guess i'll go play some videogames, and come back with a clearer mind.
Then i'll try to figure out this mess.
But there's one thing that's been bugging me.
And that is Alisae.
I dont think Alisae Scum makes the kind of posts e did towards me.
In fact sometimes i think that i'm eir literal focus this entire phase.
Yet if Alisae's town, then i'm wrong somewhere.
And i need to figure out where my head is at.
My gut's telling me to vote freedom.
My mind's telling me to stay on Meuh.
My townreads say freedom's likely town.
My heart says Meuh's likely town.

I don't even know where to go anymore

Flips table

Ok, rant over, maybe i do really need to clear my head a bit.

[Sakura Hana]

from your pov it is okay to want to flip me

from my pov im confused af

[Sakura Hana]

UNVOTE:
However i dont think my vote reflects my current state of mind anymore.

[Sakura Hana]

You feel

Meuh

is town?

I feel that i dont even know what's going on anymore, did u read my other post?

[Sakura Hana]

Been without home internet for over 26 hours.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm back!

[Sakura Hana]

So from what skim i did the options are between Meuh and Alisae?

[Sakura Hana]

If it's between Meuh and Alisae i... dont really know which one to vote, but i'd probably go back to Meuh now that Alisae's actually playing. I'd rather eliminate freedom tho.

[Sakura Hana]

If it's between Meuh and Alisae i... dont really know which one to vote, but i'd probably go back to Meuh now that Alisae's actually playing. I'd rather eliminate freedom tho.

then vote there but explain why

I thought I already did, but Merlyn's vote on me gave me weird feelings.
VOTE: freedom

[Sakura Hana]

That double vote makes me feel a bit uneasy...

How so?

[Sakura Hana]

If anything Meuh's posts make me want to not vote freedom anymore
UNVOTE:

[Sakura Hana]

I also think RH9 (I know it’s an alt but some amount of meta can still be applied) and Merlyn are easier for me to read than Alisae

Like, this is a weird thing to say when going for an information flip, specially when we have no night phase.

[Sakura Hana]

If freedom is easier to read, then shouldn't you want like... read them tomorrow?

[Sakura Hana]

Maybe Meuh is just scum
VOTE: Meuh
I guess RC was probably right.

[Sakura Hana]

Uh, did you literally remove all the context of me lazily sheeping RC because i needed some guidance?

[Sakura Hana]

Are you referring to Mandate as RC here?

Yes.
I can't think of any other player that would praise my scumgame as if it was on the same level as him.

[Sakura Hana]

Idk I think the Meuh Implo case is by far the scummiest thing in the game right now

If you have the energy to do so, can you explain why.

internal screaming

I've been struggling to even find scum in this game, i see finally someone post a case on someone that looks decent so i sheep them and now i'm being told that the case is the scummiest thing in the game. How do you think THAT makes me feel.

Smh I made my Meuh case because you wanted to lazily sheep someone and then you just unvote

Angry

RC or not, you seem to have overlooked this, removing context to paint me in a scum color as a last ditch effort? Can't tell if you're hoping to miselim me before deadline or you're actually town that's hungry for scumreads here. As I don't see a reason for scum you to do this unless it's for the former.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh well, it's not something i care to engage with this close to deadline. As i'm probably not gonna have enough time to actively engage.

[Sakura Hana]

I mean unless we literally take 4-5 days to find a replacement for RN. I only have time to check the thread every now and then for the next few days.

[Sakura Hana]

OH WAIT 3 player wolf team 3 mafia ok

idunno why I had a 4 player wolf team in mind

This is a big townslip from Alisae imo.
Or at least it doesnt look faked due to the progression that led to this realization.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh, hi RCE.

[Sakura Hana]

Hi Sakura! I don’t have any confidence reading you. So a little summarization of why you’re town would be helpful.

You could try following your predecessor:

I think sakura is kinda townie

I think the main thread roleplaying was even funnier at some points though

but maybe that's just me

p-edit: Sakura...townie?

she's got a lot of idc energy

sakura is probably the easiest player in the playerlist to read and she's p townie so far

she's more self conscious as mafia and makes posts that feel like she's thought them through more

I think Ari summarized it very well in those posts. I'm bringing her since she's your pre-predecessor and you know her alignment.
If you ask me, all i can say is that i dont have any confidence in explaining anything this game, not even myself, been lost for the majority of it and a lot have been gut pings.

Also you should know that im currently busy IRL, and so i only read and post in bursts.

[Sakura Hana]

VOTE: Dannflor

[Sakura Hana]

If it's between Meuh and Alisae i... dont really know which one to vote, but i'd probably go back to Meuh now that Alisae's actually playing. I'd rather eliminate freedom tho.

then vote there but explain why

I thought I already did, but Merlyn's vote on me gave me weird feelings.
VOTE: freedom

Is this not a thing for you anymore Sakura?

I heavily disliked Dann's vote and reasoning on me.

[Sakura Hana]

i want

freedom

flipped and my confidence that this is scum is reasonable independent of previous failures

i either end this game with a bunch of cracked eggs on a clown mask that i wear

or a town win

What happened to

2051 seems a bit unlikely to come from scum, the admission to a shallow read, telling someone else they're probably correct on poijnts they don't seem to have examined, and looking at

ydra

again based off recent votes doesn't seem like a progression an informed thought would make.
<snip>

unless "a bit" is not enough and that made you change your mind?

[Sakura Hana]

Maybe i should've read the next post first, oops

[Sakura Hana]

nobody should have a neutral or wishy-washy opinion of

freedom

rn, you either want to be on the wagon or you have a reason against it

I'm curious why on the later.

[Sakura Hana]

the activity rn is unimpressive

Idk it's been unimpressive since day 1 imo... speaking of why is it still day 1.

[Sakura Hana]

What does that have to do with freedom?

I have a stronger scumread on Dann.

[Sakura Hana]

so the immediate rebuttal to the

ydrasse

wagon, even on a widely townread slot, gave me a ping because it seemed uncritical of the gamestate.

I thought that wagon was mostly based off BoPing RC, which is not something i agree with doing either way.

[Sakura Hana]

Fair, input on freedom and the wagon itself would still be appreciated.

Merlyn gave me weird pings back then.
freedom...

exists

That's the extent of my thoughts on the slot, cant explain it any better than that.
Haven't looked at the wagon itself.

[Sakura Hana]

Btw on reread i found this:

i dont understand the emphasis on reading

dunn

either. it just feels like an excuse to pivot toward fight or doubt an objectively town-centric slot, nothing about

dunn

is actionable from a town POV rn

What does

actionable

mean?

[Sakura Hana]

Idk if whether Mandate is RC or not is important to your read, if it is i could explain my reasons for thinking it's RC. But either way i don't like to BoP ppl just because they are good at scum.
I looked at the freedom "wagon" but that's just a Taly led wagon that you and Key sheeped, dont see any issue with the wagon itself or the reasons atm.

[Sakura Hana]

I just think she feels on that "meh" spot where scum may be, her posts are fine at face-value but I don't feel much of a desire of solving the game from her

She's "just there" and I've increasingly become aware that a lot of the time scum are "just there"

i mean i think this is a fine read and it actually applies a lot to my thoughts on sakura

So here's the thing with Dannflor, his "she's just there" reasoning for voting me doesn't hold much when i've already said im reading and posting in bursts and back in day 1 there was not much going on when everyone seemed to be done with the day and just wanted the flip, so i feel like this is an unfair assesment of my play and not in good faith.

[Sakura Hana]

Maaaaaybe Koba but I don’t think I mentioned it to them specifically

I don't think Koba would praise my scumgame.
But i do think RC would (that's literally what he did on my last scumgame).

[Sakura Hana]

FWIW i wish i could vote both rn.
VOTE: Freedom
But i guess it's more sensible to vote the one with an actual wagon right now.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm surprised I'm able to even garner some thread control after that

Meuh

?
I'm confused

[Sakura Hana]

Still confused

[Sakura Hana]

Wasnt Meuh Mandate's push

[Sakura Hana]

and i think someone just said

Freedomb

wagon has been led by me and thats maybe true?

I said it

[Sakura Hana]

I re-read from votecount 2.0 (coz i was trying to find who was voting freedom but didnt find any other day 2 vote counts) to check the wagon so instead i read from there and saw you put down an argument towards scum freedom and both keyleth and RCE sheeping you (and now me), so yes, you're leading that wagon.

[Sakura Hana]

Choosing Fight will hurt my WIM.

Why is this even something you worry about?

[Sakura Hana]

Like, you can be honest with me, is your OMGUS mostly just an emotional reaction?

This is a loaded question btw.

[Sakura Hana]

What the heck Taly
First you make a convincing case on Freedom and then say this:

nobody should have a neutral or wishy-washy opinion of

freedom

rn, you either want to be on the wagon or you have a reason against it

Then when people start sheeping you, you decide to bolt out of the wagon?

[Sakura Hana]

Well if you're in no rush to end the day as it was implied with your earlier comments imma go back to voting Dann
VOTE: Dannflor

[Sakura Hana]

can you give a little more thought on

dann

!scum?

Just looking at his D2 posting should be enough imo.
Or just look at the posts of his i quoted this day.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm feeling varying degrees of an attempt to actually choose fight by Ali/RCE/Sakura and I'm here to say that's scummy

Hm? no, i've been on the Mercy camp since Implosion's EV post.

[Sakura Hana]

No I think Shirou is town. My memory is that most people disagreed with that.

I dont see it, specially after that post.

[Sakura Hana]

I mean beeboy hasn't really done anything in 2 weeks. And at that point I felt like other players had something towny going for them but beeboy really didn't. I'm not seeing where everyone is townreading thm or acting like they are going to solve the game. Again, they're truly not doing anything.

This is a good point, where the heck has beeboy been.

[Sakura Hana]

This game is weird

[Sakura Hana]

I guess my brain is still not used to "kill whomever we're not sparing" instead of "find and kill scum"

[Sakura Hana]

But are those 2 really so different tho?

[Sakura Hana]

If you think about it, you wont want to spare scum anyway, so isnt it better to try and eliminate scum right now than risk sparing them later.

[Sakura Hana]

Maybe sticking to freedom is the "correct" choice since he's never being spared.

[Sakura Hana]

But i do believe Dann flips scum more likely than freedom, and that's worriesome.

[Sakura Hana]

It feels like yday i had a hard time finding scum, and now im finding it everywhere

[Sakura Hana]

Idk if it's me getting angry at people or what

[Sakura Hana]

is your main issue with my posting that i am scum reading you with bad reasons or are there other concerns

Yes

[Sakura Hana]

i was hoping you could like kinda talk more about that but it feels like you don't really want to talk to me

You threw the first stone, there's nothing to talk about.

[Sakura Hana]

You literally come here, naked voting me, then saying i'm in "that spot where people are just there", and then parroting Meuh's reasons for scumreading me and expect me to believe you're not scum trying to take down strong townread people?

[Sakura Hana]

It feels like yday i had a hard time finding scum, and now im finding it everywhere

How do you feel about

implo

?

Honestly, I cant even remember, all i remember is their EV thing, the Meuh case on them, and their rebuttal.
Which at the time i attributed implosion being town due to them being attacked by scum but clearly that wasnt the case so i need to rethink my stance but i dont think it's going to change much.

[Sakura Hana]

I dont really have time to ISO anyone until Monday maybe.

[Sakura Hana]

VOTE: Freedom

[Sakura Hana]

Thanks for reminding me Dann.
RC and Merlyn had some argument that it's doubtful to be between scum partners, not only the way Merlyn pushed RC, but what led to ultimately RC replacing out.

[Sakura Hana]

How do you feel about

ali, dann/sakura

?

Ali is town coz of townslip

[Sakura Hana]

A

sakura/ali/dann/ydra

town world is a difficult gamestate to navigate through the multiple 1v1s

I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean.

[Sakura Hana]

Ok, let me rephrase. I'm not sure what you're asking of us.

[Sakura Hana]

Do you think

ali/dann/ydra

are all town or could be?

Ah that? i do townread both ali and ydra, not 100% convinced on dann yet, but i can see him being down after bringing up the RC vs Merlyn thing i forgot.

[Sakura Hana]

How is the choice between Fight/Mercy NOT something we should worry about?

That's easy, i asked that coz i figured we're going mercy regardless so i was asking Taly why he was worrying about potentially going Fight.

[Sakura Hana]

compared to the freedom wagon which is honestly looking like "Taly thinks freedom scum and I townread Taly" for the most part, which is hard to differentiate between scum sheeping you and town sheeping you.

Excuse me?!
I'm pretty sure it's more of a "Taly quoted some freedom posts to make an argument and people sheeped said argument". I don't like you oversimplifying this, looks like an attempt at misrepresentation.