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Reading the thread and catching up guys
@mod could we pretty please have a 72 hours extension to the deadline Angel-sama? I like to have time to interact with the players and there has been some lurking/long waited replacement-
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I'm halfway to the game and have some comments to make:
[TW, Skitter, Espeonage] did some interactions back on the first pages and I would say that there's at least one scum there, and without any data from skitter, I may be leaning to her.
Sando feels really off when compared with his town game in Open 720
I've no town read aside from people saying that is UD for meta so please give me some obv!town moments-
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Oh, I think I didn't make something clear...
I"m not in bloody capslock god mode yet because I didn't read good part of Open 720, but...
SANDO REALLY, BUT FRICKING REALLY MAY NEED ROPE
Not only that, if I compare to Open 720 and comprove that he's off, I'll be asking for some explanations to some players here that played there as well and didn't say anything about him-
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btw I may or may not skip the rest of the pages that I need to read guys
To be honest I'm kinda let down, I hadn't read in what kind of slot I was replacing in, I simply saw that it was multiball and wanted to roll scum
I would lurk out but this playerlist is kinda good
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Okay, I've read all the game (I skipped some posts though)
I would say that after page 8 or something Sando begins to feel more like as he played in Open 720 but it's mostly the kind of talk easily not much AI so I'm uncertain. May or may not still need rope.
Skitter...hmmm...I don't know what to make of Skitter anymore...almost every post of her is a wall, I'll gather some meta on her and ISO later I guess?
I read Draynth posts...the thing is that there's not much to read on him? I never played with him and I saw people mostly reading him based on metaIn post 617, pinturicchio wrote:UNVOTE: FumukiI'll give the time to interact you're asking for, but please read your own slot and tell us what you think about itHmmmm...but...I'm hyperactive sometimes? Not sure if you'll appreciate at all...
S-sorry...?
It was mostly a salutation to people I've already played with but you've a point, I should have said hi to everyone :/-
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Draynth slot posted little so I'm going to ramble here since I like it. This post is mostly a setup analyzes.
I was back there to read this game mechanics to see how much we were fucked up here since in the multiball that I've read before there was a fair chance of it ending up asMafia & Werewolf vs Townrather thanMafia vs Werewolf vs Town. Mainly because Mafia and Werewolf hadn't to necessarily kill each other for win-con. Town would need to lynch scum almost every day and still had chance of losing.
However hmmmm, yeah, it seems balanced for town here more or less, because Werewolves need necessarily to hunt mafia, Mafia may or may not hunt werewolves and Town...well...we need to lynch scum.
Not only that, it's better as hell that Werewolves kill mafia with night kill and not townies actually, just as well push lynches in the rival scumteam. If they leave too many mafiosos alive they simply get endgamed with the "special endgame mechanics" apparently.
In other words, town best shot and mafia best shot is probably lynching at least one werewolf at day light. While werewolves best shot is to night kill mafia at night.
If all werewolves get lynched, there's no night kill anymore and it progress to basically a vanilla nightless game, and it's good to town if werewolves already eliminated at least one mafia until there because if not, mafia will have too much influence in day light.
In other words...IT'S GOING TO BE ENTERTAINING EVEN AS TOWN GUYS HOLYYYY CRAPPP
HYPE TRAIN
Plus, by disclosing/discussing this information I concluded that it would help town more than anything, because if the werewolves weren't paying attention, for some unknown reason they could think that shooting town is the best option.
It's not.
Optimally, werewolves doesn't worry about town until they hurt mafia, and if town eliminates werewolves we control all of the kills in this game.-
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In post 626, pinturicchio wrote: This might be a "NotWolf!slip" since wolf is not yellow in this game, by the way
r-rude...In post 627, ManWithNoName wrote:Maybe Fumuki is colorblind. Ableist
I like it.
Hmmm, anyway, do anyone has anything to say about my setup analyzes?
By the way, let me leave this here for now
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Yeah...I've been only for some time here but it's seems really slow paced...In post 632, AP wrote:I have a confession to make:The game is going too slowfor me to remember what made me think what of X or Y
Can I post gifs btw people?
I think this can apply more or less to mafiozos that has 2 partners, but never to the wolves that has only one partner. It would need to be necessary to disregard every other player as a possible partner to that player and I doubt that could happen, specially in D1.I know team hunting isn't that effective on D1 where we have no flips to begin with, but my point is a townie acting scummy could very well be pegged as town still IF one could eliminate enough possibilities for their partner.
Anyway, the problem would be how to eliminate partners, because that's different from associative. Associatives tell you who is more likely to be a partner, now eliminating someone as a potential partner to X scum is harder and sketcher.
I would suggest as Espeonage said that the formation of wagons is a good town tell but that's sketchy as well, since I saw skitter mentioning that there was bussing in the last Jungle Replubic.
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No idea, I saw skitter mentioning itIn post 638, the worst wrote:Oh yeah he always replaces out. That's just his thing. Who was the scumteam that involved bussing in the last jungle republic?
If you give us a good and sensual quack I could take the effort to search for it though...-
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I'M ALMOST REALLY SEARCHING FOR ITIn post 641, the worst wrote:
qu... quack, Fumuki~....In post 639, Fumuki wrote:
No idea, I saw skitter mentioning itIn post 638, the worst wrote:Oh yeah he always replaces out. That's just his thing. Who was the scumteam that involved bussing in the last jungle republic?
If you give us a good and sensual quack I could take the effort to search for it though...
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Do you think that I'm the kind of player to accuse someone without any bases? even as scum I scum hunt with some evidence. I'm just not in the mood of casing you now after a setup analysis + 25 pages read. I'm human you know?In post 640, Sando wrote:
Rofl, out of CJ, NM, Pintu and Duckling, the person who flaked out wants to accuse me of being different from there?In post 619, Fumuki wrote:SANDO REALLY, BUT FRICKING REALLY MAY NEED ROPE
Not only that, if I compare to Open 720 and comprove that he's off, I'll be asking for some explanations to some players here that played there as well and didn't say anything about him
Where's that "proof", game going too fast for you to post it?
Is that so? A optimal strategy for a faction in my opinion heavily depends of what the other faction will be doing. Be it town, mafia or wolfs.Your analysis of wolf-game is flat out wrong by the way.
Now I would if possible like some explanations of why it's wrong, and why you've been so focused with the wolves strategy Sando, it's not the first time you mention it.
Heh...what has it to do with 720 Sando?While we're on the topic (and this might help you realise the error of your ways Fumuki) of 720, I'm putting it out there now: Do not CC as seer, especially D1. Scum and Wolf optimal strategy is going to nearly always be claim seer, if you're the seer, let them claim and just quietly go about your business. If you die, we shall avenge you, promise.
And I know that counterclaiming isn't a very good idea here, however I suggest that the seer leave us some crumbs of their night targets or we'll be fucked.-
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By the way Sando, why did you imply that I shouldn't accuse you just because my previous me lurked/replaced? I've been posting content here for you try to sort me now, and I'm suspicious of you based on what you said back there.
Please don't discredit me before I even say my arguments? .-.-
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More or less fine I guess...In post 642, Sando wrote:
Hi, I'm good, how's things with you?In post 620, Fumuki wrote:and hi the worst, Sando, Pintu and Espeonage! How are you guys?-
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I haven't read 720 completely and already stated it, nonetheless I think I've see enough to tell that you're kind of different, yes .-.In post 649, Sando wrote:
Rofl, so you haven't read 720 then? The entire game hinged on me gamesolving D3 by telling the tracker not to CC. You might want to read it before you meta read me based off that.
No, I didn't mean to crumb in d1 .-., just the results if someone is cleared or not of being wolf.Crumbing D1 is fairly pointless.
Why are you being so aggressive...I really don't remember you being like this...plus, it's kind of a scumtell to be so personally aggressive with another player in hope of discrediting them.How can you not work out what I'm getting at?I worry about your powers of deduction: Wolves want to kill seer more than scum.
Anyway...ah...only the Wolves want to kill the seer I think? I mean, as long as the seer is alive there's the chance of a Wolf being guilted and lynched .-.
Why would ever Mafia want to kill the seer?
The thing is that you see to be thinking about Wolf strategies but not of town or mafia strategies. It sounds more like you're less trying to understand the setup as a whole and more like you're simply a wolf thinking what you should do.-
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Analyzing the setup as a whole and seeing how things go isn't even much AI, it's more a question of play style.In post 652, the worst wrote:Fumuki is steategising what wolf would be doing mafia/wolf or town indicative d1? IYO
Now, what's worrying me is Sando focusing in the Wolves pov (it's not the first time) and not realizing what town/mafia should do. That's AI for me, why would you focus in a certain alignment if you weren't part of it?-
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Hi Ceejay...
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No idea, I don't like to hold too much weight in "slips". For example, I thought that wolfs had yellow color here, but does it mean that I'm necessarily and absolutely not wolf?In post 658, ceejayvinoya wrote:@Fumuki what do you think of Sando not knowing earlier that Mafia doesn't have nightkill?
Nop, I could have faked it. Ignoring slips that you can't be sure if are genuine or not is for the best-
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[quote="In post 665, the worst"]
I think Sando's play is motivated by maf>town>woofer
Your assumption he's coming from a wolf POV immediately makes me think 'distancing woof' but I don't heavily scumread your slot tbqh/quote]
TW, we need toheavilydisagree here. Sando didn't notice until a minute ago that Mafia has no reason to want to out the Seer. Do you think if he's scum here he would be thinking only about the other team and not what he himself should do?
It makes no sense duckling. There's some probability of him being mafia, but if Sando is scum, he's very likely flipping wolf here.-
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TW, we need to heavily disagree here. Sando didn't notice until a minute ago that Mafia has no reason to want to out the Seer. Do you think if he's scum here he would be thinking only about the other team and not what he himself should do?In post 665, the worst wrote:
I think Sando's play is motivated by maf>town>woofer
Your assumption he's coming from a wolf POV immediately makes me think 'distancing woof' but I don't heavily scumread your slot tbqh
It makes no sense duckling. There's some probability of him being mafia, but if Sando is scum, he's very likely flipping wolf here.-
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Quoting is becoming messy here so I'll not even quote .-.
1. Sando, I said toQuicktune down about insulting you as far as I remember. But let's drop the meta thing until I come back with some conclusions after reading again 720. It's not only me saying that you're kind of off here.
2. I never said that your "don't crumb" was out of nowhere? Sando, what are you talking about? .-.
3. Wait until I quote you back here showing how much you've show knowledge in wolves pov but not much in town/mafia pov here.-
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Now that's some bullshit.In post 669, Sando wrote:
He's describing sub-optimal wolf play which would equal wolf. But then he seems terribly worried about the NKs coming at Mafia and understands Mafia's play here very well...In post 659, ceejayvinoya wrote:Ooooh tell me. Is Fumuki wolf?
I've show knowledge in Wolves strategy, Mafia strategy and Town strategy. And believe or not I only shared that wall of analysis to make sure that wolves doesn't fuck both themselves and town by killing townies. They need to kill Mafia.
Why are you so opportunistic here Sando?
I think you seriously need rope.-
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WHY YOU AREN'T GETTING THAT AFTER THAT SEER THING I'M ALMOST SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT MAFIA SANDO?In post 671, Sando wrote: Yo TW, have your fun with Fumi,but it's just occurred to me: Why are people so concerned about which scumfaction the person is?Town are the least likely to care about what faction someone is other than that they're scum, at least while seer is alive and well.
EXCUSE ME?
PLUS, WHY ARE YOU SAYING THAT TOWN SHOULDN'T CARE ABOUT WHAT FACTION THEY LYNCH?
IF WE LYNCH THE WEREWOLVES HERE, IT BECOME NIGHTLESS AND TOWN GAINS 100% CONTROL OF WHO DIES
WATAHELL
You are saying wolf that, wolf that but doesn't realize something SO OBVIOUS IN THE TOWN POV?
YOU'RE KIDDING ME
YOU'VE GOTTA TO BE KIDDING ME
YOU'RE FLIPPING EITHER WOLF OR MAFIA-
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Ceejay, let me summarize since people aren't getting it:In post 675, ceejayvinoya wrote:Btw let's all stop speculating on wolf strats pls. Lets not give the wolves a free "How to win Jungle Republic" manual.
Town needs to USE THE WEREWOLFS TO KILL MAFIA
It's not a "manual of how to win Jungle Replubic" given to the wolves, I'm clearly saying here that werewolves need to help town kill mafia first, and that mafia needs to help town lynch the wolves.
It's entirely beneficial to town convince both scumteams to first fight themselves off and only afterwards come to fight town. I'm preventing people like Sando, that if wolf, don't fucking town here by killing townies just "because that's what scum do".
WEREWOLVES, KILL, MAFIA, FIRST.
THERE'S NO ARGUING ABOUT IT. IF THEY KILL TOWN IT'S A MAFIA WIN FOR SURE.-
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rope.In post 677, Sando wrote:Well he's saying wolves should be killing mafia overnight, ignoring that while that's true, their actual top priority is the seer.
rope rope rope rope rope rope rope rope rope.
Sando is getting the rope today thanks everyone.
Let's say that this is the optimal play to werewolves. WHY DID YOU SAY THAT? IT'S THE UNIQUE TOWN POWER ROLE, DON'T MAKE THEM GO AFTER HIM.
But anyway, it's not the seer. If they worry about catching the seer they will very probably hit a fricking ton of townies first. When they get the seer mafia will endgame werewolves. Is it that hard to understand?
WEREWOLVES, DON'T FUCK WITH ME, DON'T GIVE MAFIA A EASY WIN
YOU KILL MAFIA AT NIGHT UNTIL AT LEAST CATCHING 2 MAFIOZOS
DON'T MESS THIS UP THINKING THAT YOU SHOULD "KILL POWER ROLES FIRST".-
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Omg guys, Sando doesn't get this game. I swear that he doesn't.In post 682, Sando wrote:
So we lynch scum, who's gonna care more about which faction we hit within scum, the faction that ain't scum, or one of the scum factions?In post 676, Fumuki wrote:PLUS, WHY ARE YOU SAYING THAT TOWN SHOULDN'T CARE ABOUT WHAT FACTION THEY LYNCH?
Like...this one is pretty clear cut here.
Mafia in the first place doesn't need to catch the wolves. Because just like you're thinking, I feared that they would think, and I'm making sure that they don't fuck up, they would for some unknown reason think that the Seer/townies are the threat.
IT'S NOTTTT
Mafia can use the Werewolves kill to eliminate town and only afterwards proceed to lynch wolves BECAUSE THE ENDGAME MECHANICS GIVE PRIVILEGE TO MAFIA, IF IT THERE'S ONLY WOLF AND MAFIA, MAFIA WINS
MAFIA IS THE THREAT TO WOLVES
NOT TOWN
WOLVES BY KILLING US IN SEARCH OF THE SEER ARE GIVING MAFIA A EASY WIN-
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I not even played 720, and my play style changed.In post 685, Sando wrote: 720 peeps, Fumu would like to make this about who's more different between here and 720, I humbly submit...it aint me.
Read Red Flag 722, that's my actual town meta.
Read Micro 801, that's my actual scum meta.-
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We don't much actually, you can try to guess by the intention of someone that you think that's scum, see if it seems more plausible to come from Wolf or MafiaIn post 691, ManWithNoName wrote:Then, how do we know who is a WW, and who is a mafia?
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1. Probably no, I'm town leaning MWNMIn post 693, the worst wrote:We ask
MWNN are you ww or mafia?
Fumuki are you ww or mafia?
Sando are you ww or mafia?
2. nope nope nope
3. yes yes yes yes-
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Guys, I give up, however before I do so, let me make something clear in pro of trying to win as town in a multiball:
First, in multiball town is almost always fucked, confirm?
Confirm.
Now, the thing is, that if werewolves think that they should kill townies to hunt the Seer, they're giving Mafia an advantage, messing both them and town TOGETHER, IN ONE GO.
Town needs Werewolf help in the night to kill Mafia.
Town needs Mafia help in the day to kill Werewolves.
Whatever scumteam loses first, we confront them afterwards.
PLEASE, DON'T MAKE IT A EASY MAFIA WIN
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I still think you're a wolf but that sarcasm is goodIn post 716, Sando wrote:
You're keeping up admirably this game, well done!In post 715, Fumuki wrote:Thanks for everyone attention. Now I'm going to meme and stop try-harding.
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rope rope rope rope rope ropeIn post 723, Sando wrote:
IIn post 717, the worst wrote:In a way if we lynch ww and seer gets a guilty we could leash the surviving wolf right? Rather than quick lynchingthinkwe'd be better off just taking advantage of having more lynches? Same outcome but actually completely "town" controlled.
Okay, joking asides I'll stop for a moment deathtunneling you because I did the same thing with CFJ and I regret not trying to talk things more
Sando, that's wrong.
If the 2 werewolves drop dead, it becomes a nightless game practically and town have 100% control of the lynchs. Town has an advantage in nightless games because the town powerhouses can't eat the NK.
Mafia is the one that benefits more by leaving the Werewolves alive because LATER they need to hunt the Seer and that's basically killing townies while Mafia coast.-
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Wow .-.In post 726, ManWithNoName wrote:Fuck it, I'll just say it. I'm brassherald
Will you believe it if I tell you that in a wild guess I was thinking about Brass?
It was mostly because you said "I don't get a hi?" and it sounded like you had already played with me + your tone.
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I'm saying that Werewolf need toIn post 728, Sando wrote:Your play makes zero sense as wolf, but it still makes sense as Mafia. From the way this has gone down I'm fairly strongly leaning town, but that's gut rather than logic and well...read post-game 720 if you want insight into that about me.shootMafia and you say that I'm probably more Mafia than Wolf?
Anyway I'm rather tired, I spent some 3 pages in a 1v1 with you.
Zero votes.
If Sando flips mafia or wolf here and anyone say that it's distancing I'm 100% locking said person as scum.
P-edit: No, I'm not desperate...
Lying. I'm thinking I'm a little bit desperate. If Werewolves try to hunt the Seer amidst the townies Town is probably losing here together with Werewolves themselves but I'm kinda giving up in explaining my reasoning.
It's going nowhere so let's just "scumhunt" then
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Oh, I get it. We indeed were saying the same thing.In post 730, Sando wrote: Are you just misunderstanding or desperate to "prove" me wrong? Me and you are agreeing with each other that both WWs should be dead. By both WWs being dead we get more lynches, which I'm saying is better than leaving the WW "leashed".
I thought you were saying that we should take advantage of the factional kill of the WW because it would be "2 kills" by each cycle of day/night when that's balanced in a no night kill gamestate.-
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I'm feeling kinda bad of all this 1v1 but dunno if I regret. I think I did need at least try to get my point across to the WW not mess it up to us by killing town.
I swear that I'm going to be nicer from here on...
Anyway, anyone has a good wagon that isn't TW? I've problem sorting TW.
I can sheep however if at least two persons scum read TW and they have experience with the duckling.-
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I'll make a case explaining it later. You can have changed in the later days but I don't remember you being exactly like this.In post 734, Sando wrote: Well I'm voting one...the other is Espe, who you should look at if you're so intent on game-theory.
You're also really, really intent on showing that you don't understand 720.Why did you come in here with such a strong meta-read when you clearly haven't actually read it?
Plus, I'm not even scum reading you sole for the meta thing anymore, a great deal is for what you said back there
Anyway, if we're townhunting it's okay but the ratio of town and scum is 5:7. It's almost as effective scum hunting here so that's why I recommended it.
But I get you, I too usually play by PoE. If I had to say some town reads it's MWNN and I'm mulling over UglyDuck since there's some people with meta on him...-
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Sure, if I remember it's mostly MWNN and AP that can read you?In post 735, the worst wrote:Want me to lay down people's experience / historical ability to read me? I think I've talked about it a bit but eh
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Then MWNN is scum reading you, is my town read/lean and you reveal that he can accurately read you...
I'm going to mull over lynching TW...
I already know who AP is btw duckling, thanks for explaining it all.-
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I think you can ask for the mod to replace this account with your main you know?In post 741, ManWithNoName wrote:What the worst is not saying is that the other time we played together and I stayed in the game, I also read him correctly, by trying to pocket him. Going by our record, he's probably scum this game.
Going by gameplay, I'm not nearly as confident as in Stack the Deck, but I could see the worst as scum right now, but... I'm not super confident in it. I've been a little less focused than I am on my main most of the time. This is a more chill account.
If you want by any means that is.
And I see, yeah, by gameplay alone is hard to sort TW.
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^ this feel quite honest btw.In post 743, ManWithNoName wrote:Also, if you would like to know how to tell that I am obv town, despite my lack of focus, I have been actually interested in the game, and that's Town Indicative for me. Which is why I'm surprised the worst implied he'd be willing to lynch me despite knowing that it's me and I'm like Creature level easy to read.
I think it was newbie 1864...?
Anyway, I've already see Brass play as scum and well...
HE LURKED. HARD.-
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Okay, I'll look at TW vs Sando but that "town-player" that you bad mouthed wasn't Quick was?In post 742, Sando wrote: You could think my interactions with TW are markedly different - they are, why do you think I'm suspecting him? You should look into us and decide which of us, or is it both of us, that are causing that change in interaction.
You could think I'm more "aggressive" - but you'd have to ignore that I spent basically the entire game calling a town-player a moron, to the point of telling them I'll never play with them again in any context.
If It was it doesn't really matter to me to be honest. A lot of people get mad at Quick, the difference is that you've been passive-aggressive while interacting with almost everyone here.-
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Hmm...was I rude...?In post 755, the worst wrote: This is a post after my own heart
I don't have anything against Quick by the way, I would like to play with him more someday.-
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That's completely nonsense. Werewolves and Mafia doesn't need to say "lynch wolves" or "lynch mafia" if you didn't notice. They only need to scum hunt any other person that is not their partner(s). They only need to shut up and scum hunt. They don't need to say to WW scum hunt Mafia either like I'm saying, because WW would be worried over the Seer and mess town.In post 769, Espeonage wrote:Basically everyone trying to say that WW and mafia are different is bad.
Probably scum, but also hella bad.
I'm saying that Werewolves need to fuckingMafia at night, and Mafia need to lynch the Werewolves for town here, but here you are saying that this is bad and we that are discussing it are "probably scum".shoot
We need to lynch scum. That's the biggest priority.
Now, optimally speaking, we lynch werewolves here, then if they successfully shoot Mafia at night, we keep lynching them, if they don't hit mafia at night, we try to lynch mafia at that day.
But to not want to discuss it and say that "factions with different abilities and different number of members" is "equal", nowthatcomes from scum trying to deceive town.
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I got curious and searched for that, here it is:In post 786, the worst wrote:akshully a thought what are historical win rates?
8 town wins
6 werewolves wins
12 mafia wins
And let me say more:
Town and Werewolves wins are mostly from really old times, Mafia has been winning constantly recently. Werewolves constantly fuck up by shooting town at night to search for the power role. The unique recently werewolves win was due to them being extremely luck to shoot Seer in night 1.
PLUS, DO YOU KNOW THE BEST PART?
THE UNIQUE TOWN WIN RECENTLY HAS BEEN WHEN THEY ELIMINATE WEREWOLVES AND JUST LIKE I SAID, TRANSFORM THIS IN A NIGHTLESS SINGLEBALL GAME
I'm right now researching for it, but if I find any of the players in this player list that played before in Jungle Replubic games, knew that and are saying "separate factions are stupid and you guys saying it are scum/suspicious/bad", I'm 100% lynching them today. No excuse.-
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You know what guys? I'm maybe changing plans here.
As long as the Seer is alive and he leaves crumbes of who is werewolf and who isn't werewolves, It may be for the best to try lynching Mafia.
When we get the Seer results here we can eliminate the werewolf pool anyway. We deal with them later because I'm not in the mood to lose because WW aren't going to cooperate with town to eliminate the red colored guys.-
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Hmmm...
I wasn't sure before but now I am.
Guess what guys? Espeonage won as mafia last Jungle Republic.
Guess what more?
Werewolves constantly did shoot town at night there as well, and when they finally killed the Seer, it was too late and Mafia won just as I said that happens when WW mess up things like this. Now, how come a town!Espeonage doesn't realize how dangerous is to let WW do their own thing and prefer to not discuss what is optimal or not for town here?
He won last Jungle Republic with this Mafia tactic.
Rope.
Espeonage is getting the rope today for me.
And I'm getting confident that he's flipping either red or blue here.