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btw
@manatee, just noticed that you put "aligned with the" in the example mafia role-cardtown-
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fortunately I can't
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aww, that's a shame VOTE: carmenIn post 15, Carmen wrote:
Nah, it's not there.In post 12, LabRat01 wrote:wanna check it for me?
VOTE: Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde
I'm p sure some form of it should be there though, cuz the bracket thingy is written in my RC
wanna check it again? or are you lying in order for someone to notice this "contradiction" and derp you as town?-
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hi btw, I've read the first 10-ish pages of your first newb game on MS. You played well, I prob wouldn't have been able to catch youIn post 20, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:Hi o/
D1 is hell, right?
VOTE: labrat
He probably only noticed it because he got it in his rolecard :lol:
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btw, were you planning to say this since before the game started?In post 23, Keyser Söze wrote:Godammit! Still haven't rolled scum withthe worst(there were even improved odds too: 3 from 9!)
I recall someone saying that they want their alignments to be the same as in the watchers game, were you scum there?-
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do itIn post 28, Keyser Söze wrote:Currently reading Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde's and LabRat01's posts to/in relation with eachother... I will give a supported estimation whether they are scum partners in the next half hour.
@Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde - is there a way of abbreviating your name brother? It's quite a mouthful.
btw, DrJ is a hydra of korina and LCpl Jones (or sth like that) so unless the "brother" you're talking about is fat enough to count as 2, you should prob be using plurals-
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yepIn post 29, Keyser Söze wrote:
For some reason I thought it was a 7:2 setup... learnt from the OP that there are in fact three mafia! :o "majority of scum" makes sense now though: we only need to send two mafia to hell to win (?).In post 26, LabRat01 wrote:
btw, were you planning to say this since before the game started?In post 23, Keyser Söze wrote:Godammit! Still haven't rolled scum withthe worst(there were even improved odds too: 3 from 9!)
I recall someone saying that they want their alignments to be the same as in the watchers game, were you scum there?
the worst is a great character to play with as town or scum -I think we would have just as much fun together as town or scum.
In the Watchmen game we were both town.
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In post 32, Lefty wrote:Jesus this site formatting makes phone posting hard
@Soze I’m not sure how serious I should be reading you rnyou should always be serious
(no, but seriusly, the game won't progress on its own so just do sth)
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uh, that was connected to the game, but it was pre gameIn post 36, Keyser Söze wrote:
WIFOM says you're not scum partners:In post 30, LabRat01 wrote:do it
If not,as partners, it would seem you've made too much of a conscious effort to try to distance eachother (through anti-distance...?)
Playful RVS vote eachother...
You going all about how you dug up their first scum game and read ten whole pages of it as part of meta research...
Creating an awkward dis-connection between you two, which I conclude is: 2xVT or 1 goon-1 VT interactions.
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Don’t cross the line though or a tragedy may occurIn post 51, the worst wrote:Keyser my love if you had to dayvig someone based off rvs who would it be and why?Spoiler: nudity and severe congenital defects
That’s betterSpoiler: NSFW
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Was the “I wanna try to sort Key as quick as possible” supposed to be an excuse for asking Left to post reads?In post 54, the worst wrote:how do you read Key's entrance to the thread btw? I wanna try and sort him as quickly as possible so I can comfortably resume quoting The Usual Suspects and burninating scum.
No?
but it def feels that way
OR it feels like your question to Lefty was just an excuse to show off your great town motivations.
Which one do you pick?
I don’t like the previous post either (the one I joked about). It’s prob not directly scum motivated, but it feels a really safe and non-personal way of questioning someone.-
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You know, sth like that could prob be faked by a 5-year old.In post 55, Lefty wrote:What’s your take on Soze so far? Is the ‘I thought it was just two goons’ and then the break down of DrJ/Rat following that line of thought something you think they’d do/are capable of as scum?
Possibly younger
It kinda feels like you didn't want to appear useless so decided to writeanythingthat might appear helpful without actually considering if it makes sense to ask about that.
Do not do it like that. If you want to do sth, you can comment on the stuff:
-I wrote about duck,
-keyser wrote about me&DrJ,
-DrJ wrote about me/keiser
-or w/e.
Just pick a wagon and go with it, there’s no need to be wary here-
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Do you think I was pocketing you?In post 63, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:
You'll notice it's primarily one sided - I would see it more as him trying to pocket us (I'm assuming that word means scum buddying town - or have I been using that word wrong? :lol:)In post 36, Keyser Söze wrote:
WIFOM says you're not scum partners:In post 30, LabRat01 wrote:do it
If not,as partners, it would seem you've made too much of a conscious effort to try to distance eachother (through anti-distance...?)
Playful RVS vote eachother...
You going all about how you dug up their first scum game and read ten whole pages of it as part of meta research...
Creating an awkward dis-connection between you two, which I conclude is: 2xVT or 1 goon-1 VT interactions.
Lcp
that’s already a rather high activity as for this siteIn post 65, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:I don't agree that much with this. Imo people should be held accountable for their words even in RVS. Esp. in later days it can show a lot in hindsight.
For reference I usually get on twice or three times a day then disappear between that so please don't think I'm lurking - that's my usual pattern :P
Korina should hopefully be here soon.
/shrug-
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I’m still waiting for an answer to that oneIn post 26, LabRat01 wrote:
were you planning to say this since before the game started?In post 23, Keyser Söze wrote:Godammit! Still haven't rolled scum withthe worst(there were even improved odds too: 3 from 9!)
(not talking about the increased odds, but about rolling scum with duck)
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I don't think we've ever played together, I did play with some other players in here thoughIn post 79, Keyser Söze wrote:Don’t think I’ve ever played with a rat.
(FTR: it’s usually me brown-nosing Irrellephant)
P.s consensual might I add
not sure if enough to be confident in meta-reading them though :/-
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In post 79, Keyser Söze wrote:(FTR: it’s usually me brown-nosing Irrellephant)
P.s consensual might I add-
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hey, what do you think of TW rn? can you comment on the posts I wrote?In post 82, Keyser Söze wrote:I half answered it/revised post because of *ongoing game*...
But yeah, I went into this game thinking... ‘if I’m scum, I hope it’s with the worst!’
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actually, agree with that. Besides the short read on Lefty, he hasn't done anything other than interact with youIn post 87, Keyser Söze wrote:Me and TW are in love with eachother right now, but his introduction was maybe 15% buddy-esque towards me (from his point of you I bet he thinks I was trying to buddy him too! (Maybe at 5% output though). But at least I’ve looked at other players! :giggle: I don’t think his priority should be to sort me first, that was a surprising post from him.
P.EDIT will look at conversation now
and btw, that was the read I wanted you to comment onIn post 74, LabRat01 wrote:
Was the “I wanna try to sort Key as quick as possible” supposed to be an excuse for asking Left to post reads?In post 54, the worst wrote:how do you read Key's entrance to the thread btw? I wanna try and sort him as quickly as possible so I can comfortably resume quoting The Usual Suspects and burninating scum.
No?
but it def feels that way
OR it feels like your question to Lefty was just an excuse to show off your great town motivations.
Which one do you pick?
I don’t like the previous post either (the one I joked about). It’s prob not directly scum motivated, but it feels a really safe and non-personal way of questioning someone.-
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That was a bullshit read based on my imagination of how a mafia’s reaction to getting a town alignment would look like. Carmen’s post was a joke, but it was written in a safe way, that could come from mafia who wanted to joke about it, but was too stressed to open-wolf right at the beginning of the game.In post 92, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:
I'm personally not really sure what to make of this post. I get it if its a joke, however, it feels awkward. It feels like the joke fell flat after he continued it on, and said that his vote was semi-serious, (which, why was it semi-serious?). That doesn't really sit well with me atm. Its reading to me like he's certain that Carmen is actually scum and trying to do that to get cleared as town, which, would imply that Carmen is scum as well.In post 16, LabRat01 wrote:
aww, that's a shame VOTE: carmenIn post 15, Carmen wrote:
Nah, it's not there.In post 12, LabRat01 wrote:wanna check it for me?
VOTE: Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde
I'm p sure some form of it should be there though, cuz the bracket thingy is written in my RC
wanna check it again? or are you lying in order for someone to notice this "contradiction" and derp you as town?
I read Carmen's post as a joke, (which, admittedly, I'd have done too), and their post is fine. It's actually alright. It doesn't bother me. Lab's post does actually bother me however. I can see him thinking Carmen's post isn't a joke, (when I'm pretty sure it is one—unless Carmen is a god-tier scum-player and can get away with that), however, his reaction to the joke feels wrong.
(by lying and saying that “there was nothing in their RC”, they could give themselves a bit more leeway than if they wrote “lol, it’s really there”)
I could explain it better, but I think manatee wouldn’t really like it
But yes, it is connected to how I see my role card and what I know about the host
This was never meant to be a joke, but after writing the post I realized that it could be misunderstood in a really wrong way. There isn’t anything more to it-
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What why not?In post 92, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:
Why not?In post 41, LabRat01 wrote:
uh, that was connected to the game, but it was pre gameIn post 36, Keyser Söze wrote:
WIFOM says you're not scum partners:In post 30, LabRat01 wrote:do it
If not,as partners, it would seem you've made too much of a conscious effort to try to distance eachother (through anti-distance...?)
Playful RVS vote eachother...
You going all about how you dug up their first scum game and read ten whole pages of it as part of meta research...
Creating an awkward dis-connection between you two, which I conclude is: 2xVT or 1 goon-1 VT interactions.
I prob wouldn't have had enough time to read 10 pages of another game after getting the RC even if I tried it-
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does creature lurk as scum? is it like a general rule or just a shitter readIn post 98, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:Also, where the hell is Creature? I just realized that he's in the game trying to see who we haven't heard from.
If Creature keeps up this activity, I think its very safe to assume that he is scum.
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Lol, you’re reading it in a really weird way. You’re assuming that mafia doesn’t make awkward jokes because they’re afraid of outing themselves. That’s obviously not the caseIn post 103, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:
What makes you think that scum would post that in thread though? Why wouldn't they PM Manatee or post it in their PT? What do they have to gain by posting that in the thread? FMPOV, scum wouldn't want to only because then they run the risk of accidentally outing themselves, and that would put town one step closer to winning, (only requiring one more mafia to be sent to hell to win).In post 99, LabRat01 wrote:That was a bullshit read based on my imagination of how a mafia’s reaction to getting a town alignment would look like. Carmen’s post was a joke, but it was written in a safe way, that could come from mafia who wanted to joke about it, but was too stressed to open-wolf right at the beginning of the game.
(by lying and saying that “there was nothing in their RC”, they could give themselves a bit more leeway than if they wrote “lol, it’s really there”)
I could explain it better, but I think manatee wouldn’t really like it
But yes, it is connected to how I see my role card and what I know about the host
This was never meant to be a joke, but after writing the post I realized that it could be misunderstood in a really wrong way. There isn’t anything more to it
Sure, they could have said nothing, but you cannot assume that “being cautious” will stop scum from posting jokes. It’s not that “they will gain anything”, it’s that “they thought it’s fun and they thought that they couldn’t lose anything by just joking around (while taking the necessary safety measures)”. Which I refuted by SRing them
And yeeeah, I believe you would say that. I would have been totally SRing you in the newb game you and LCpl were in. The tone in your posts was really weird and your arguments tended to miss the point so damn much (at least in the first few pages)…In post 103, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:I would've done the same thing as Carman in that situation; I'd have jokingly said "No, its not there, it says Mafia however". If you don't believe me on that, the newbie game with LCPL and myself, I jokingly claimed SK at the very start of the game.
Btw, I was supposed to ask you for that in the beginning of the game, but I forgot. Could you link me to a finished scum game of yours? A good one if possible
And oh god, have I not said enough that it was not a fully developed read?In post 103, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:I don't really see RVS jokes as AI, but rather as NAI. It's RVS memes. Sure, Carman saying that is plausible suspicion, however, you aren't really taking into account the RVS aspect of it. Additionally, if that post isn't a joke, then IMO, that makes it incredibly scummy, because I'm seeing it as you're pretty sure that Carmen is actually scum, and that was a slip. What benefit does Carmen (or the scum team) get if they are actually scum, and they do obv!scum early D1? Wouldn't it be better for Carmen tonotdo that then?
Were you expecting me to go all wishy-washy and explain myself in every post that I’m not actually that confident in it? Seriously, even if I wanted to do that, that’s just not how you push people
Jeez, just c’mon, that would be just bad-
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I’m a slow reader, reading 10 pages (especially in a game with a lot of walls) would take me a few hours. Besides, I was rather active on the thread early on, so I would have to be distracting myself all the time, which would make reading that even longer -_-In post 103, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:
Why wouldn't you have time after the game started?In post 100, LabRat01 wrote:
What why not?In post 92, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:
Why not?In post 41, LabRat01 wrote:
uh, that was connected to the game, but it was pre gameIn post 36, Keyser Söze wrote:
WIFOM says you're not scum partners:In post 30, LabRat01 wrote:do it
If not,as partners, it would seem you've made too much of a conscious effort to try to distance eachother (through anti-distance...?)
Playful RVS vote eachother...
You going all about how you dug up their first scum game and read ten whole pages of it as part of meta research...
Creating an awkward dis-connection between you two, which I conclude is: 2xVT or 1 goon-1 VT interactions.
I prob wouldn't have had enough time to read 10 pages of another game after getting the RC even if I tried it
Idk how much time was from day-start to the point when I said that I’ve read the game, but it shouldn’t be more than 0,5-1 hour
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honestly, that joke feels a bit offIn post 107, Irrelephant11 wrote:
tw and I agree the scum chat is very sad without youIn post 23, Keyser Söze wrote:Godammit! Still haven't rolled scum withthe worst(there were even improved odds too: 3 from 9!)
but I guess he just started playing and is in the RvS stake, so w/e
more importantly, @Keyser you got cheated on... :thumbs_up:-
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elaborate on this pleaseIn post 107, Irrelephant11 wrote:
slight townlean for this (more because it's Korina than if it was anyone else)In post 68, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote: I am here, game started when I was asleep.
@Mod, could we have what phase it is put in the thread title?
(Ik that we should know, however, just so its always known and someone can't use the argument of "well I didn't know it was (phase), otherwise I wouldn't have hammered them!")-
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In post 107, Irrelephant11 wrote:
I really don't know what is being said hereIn post 74, LabRat01 wrote:
Was the “I wanna try to sort Key as quick as possible” supposed to be an excuse for asking Left to post reads?In post 54, the worst wrote:how do you read Key's entrance to the thread btw? I wanna try and sort him as quickly as possible so I can comfortably resume quoting The Usual Suspects and burninating scum.
No?
but it def feels that way
OR it feels like your question to Lefty was just an excuse to show off your great town motivations.
Which one do you pick?
I don’t like the previous post either (the one I joked about). It’s prob not directly scum motivated, but it feels a really safe and non-personal way of questioning someone.
Yep, I've read it three times and still don't know
The post could be read either as
“duck being unsure of his reads and asking Left to post his reads, so that he can sheep them”
(which makes no sense)
OR it could be read as
“duck asking Left for reads and then conveniently explaining WHY he’s asking him for reads, by showcasing his townie motivations”.
You don’t usually need to show off how townie you are when asking someone for reads
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omg, because it's NOT RVS ANYMOREIn post 134, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:
HOLD ON, WAIT A FUCKING MOMENT:In post 112, LabRat01 wrote:
honestly, that joke feels a bit offIn post 107, Irrelephant11 wrote:
tw and I agree the scum chat is very sad without youIn post 23, Keyser Söze wrote:Godammit! Still haven't rolled scum withthe worst(there were even improved odds too: 3 from 9!)
but I guess he just started playing and is in the RvS stake, so w/e
more importantly, @Keyser you got cheated on... :thumbs_up:
Why the fuck is Irrel allowed to make a joke about them being scum, and have it be dismissed as RVS, yet Carmen can do the same exact thing,duringRVS, and yet gets called out for being scummy on it?
Something really isn't adding up on here.
I think Lab is flipping scum.
I'll read up on TW case/post replies in a bit.
The read on Carmen was supposed to both:
-allow me to push my read
and more importantly
-create some content to get us OUT of RvS.
I've reached the goal and I'm satisfied with it, I'm obviously not gonna make a big deal out of a RvS post when I've got stronger stuff to base my reads on-
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is it a joke, or what? I don't get itIn post 135, Keyser Söze wrote:That's weird, I've just been handed a note:
"I WILL BE LURKING FOR THE REST OF DAY 1. F**K META!"
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YES, it was RvS. BOTH posts were RvS, but there's way more info rn than it was at the beginning and that's what makes the difference.In post 146, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:Spoiler:
Additionally, Carmen's post was made on post #15, which is very clearly still within the bounds of RVS.
If anything, you should be sayingIrrel'spost was scummy, notCarmen's.
I feel you're still putting a bit too much weight to my Carmen read. It was overblown a bit, but it was for the purpose of getting the early push. As long as carmen provides more content than that, I won't care about the read for long.
Irre did post more and I know that he's not the type to shitpost as town for long so I don't really feel the need to push him for sth that I don't even feel would give me much. Both situations are fundamentally different
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yep, you know my mainIn post 153, Irrelephant11 wrote:
do I know you?In post 151, LabRat01 wrote:I know that he's not the type to shitpost as town for long-
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First off, I don’t think I’d be able to gain much by pushing Irre for his post. I’ve never seen him as scum, but he seems composed enough to be able to shove off SRs like those many times over.In post 164, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:
I'm just saying that it is highly hypocritical of you to allow Carmen to make a joke scum-claim and call it out, only to then allow Irrel to do the exact same thing and just dismiss it as RVS. You either don't call out either, or you call out both. You can't have your cake and eat it here.In post 151, LabRat01 wrote: YES, it was RvS. BOTH posts were RvS, but there's way more info rn than it was at the beginning and that's what makes the difference.
I feel you're still putting a bit too much weight to my Carmen read. It was overblown a bit, but it was for the purpose of getting the early push. As long as carmen provides more content than that, I won't care about the read for long.
Irre did post more and I know that he's not the type to shitpost as town for long so I don't really feel the need to push him for sth that I don't even feel would give me much. Both situations are fundamentally different
please say what's unclear to you
And, no, both situations arenotfundamentally different, both were made in RVS... please explain how rvs and rvs, but later in the game are fundamentally different. I'm just not seeing it.
I didn’t expect to gain a good response from Carmen either. I’ve never played with them, but c’mon, you’d have to be a total newb not to be able to deal with stuff like that during RvS.
Getting a reaction WAS a part of why I posted the read (I mean, you never know?), but I mostly wanted to have sth I could make a big deal of and yell at the other players to either sheep me, get better reads, or get their asses brutally murdered and stabbed with a ladle to create art.
The description is overblown again, but you should get the point
The situation was different and my motivation was different too. I don’t feel a need to make a big deal out of sth I don’t even care that much about if it’s unlikely to do any good and the player is likely to provide better content later anyways.-
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Because they suckIn post 165, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:See, but why would mafia want to make awkward jokes in the first place?
Don’t know, don’t care, but if mafia were that perfect and undetectable as you’re describing it, how would town ever manage to find them-
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In post 165, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but, you are now saying that you are certain Carmen is scum, is that correct?In post 17, LabRat01 wrote:that vote was half-seriousIn post 99, LabRat01 wrote:That was a bullshit read based on my imaginationIn post 110, LabRat01 wrote: And oh god, have I not said enough that it was not a fully developed read?
Were you expecting me to go all wishy-washy and explain myself in every postSeriously, even if I wanted to do that, that’s just not how you push peoplethat I’m not actually that confident in?
Jeez, c’mon, that would be just badIn post 142, LabRat01 wrote: The read on Carmen was supposed to both:
-allow me to push my read
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-create some content to get us OUT of RvS.
I've reached the goal and I'm satisfied with it, I'm obviously not gonna make a big deal out of a RvS post when I've got stronger stuff to base my reads onIn post 151, LabRat01 wrote: It was overblown a bit, but it was for the purpose of getting the early push. As long as carmen provides more content than that, I won't care about the read for long.-
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