Case RB, please.
I think you, Egix, RB, S_S all look bad if Mala is scum here
Case RB, please.
Wow, so anyone who's observant enough to notice a TMI slip, you'll accuse them of TMI yourself?In post 1186, Lamees wrote:@auro, read post 347 and your post that follows (348). To me, after the cop flip, it looks like one of you def have tmi for that point in the game.
Rb would be my top pick if Mala is scum.
Over Mala.In post 1196, Thor665 wrote:"Give me a case for rb, I think rb looks like scum if Mala is scum"In post 1185, Auro wrote:Case RB, please.
I think you, Egix, RB, S_S all look bad if Mala is scum here
:/In post 1195, Lamees wrote:Exactly. I think auro can see what I mean but is being dodgy.In post 1192, Something_Smart wrote:It's not so much that, it's more that if rb is town and happened to mention a cop, you'd be taking the opportunity to frame him for TMI because you know there actually is one.
What? So if RB flips town, and you're pushed based on that point next, you'd think it's fair??In post 1200, DarkLightA wrote:I actually think it's a fair point
Whoops, sorry, damnit mobile tabs.In post 1230, Michael Scott wrote:As I said, I think you would've if it was absolutely necessary, but the quick Dunn wagon meant you could pounce upon that.In post 1207, Egix96 wrote:If I were scum with Mala though, wouldn't I have bussed her rather than... done that?In post 1198, Auro wrote:And over Egix/S_S, who also avoided Mala or townread her while voting on a counterwagon.
But this post was made D2, right?In post 1233, DarkLightA wrote:...So the reasoning for not thinking scum have zombie D1 is an at-the-time unflipped cop.
You're accusing her of TMI now
Because you're Angel? Pre-flip you didn't know there was a priest.In post 1241, Lamees wrote:@auro, me knowing there is an immortal in the game isnt tmi, it's just obvious that there should be one.
Ah, yeah.In post 1244, Lamees wrote:Also remember priest has the highest chance of being in the game of all the town power roles
Yeah the two flips so far are 5 points total, unless Lamees was fakeclaiming it brings it to 7, sorceress makes it 10 which is beyond the maximum number of ascencion points.In post 1245, Lamees wrote:And I repeat, I can confirm no sorceress in this game.
This^In post 839, Persivul wrote:I seriously doubt that's a slip. Sometimes people forget to say "if" or "hypothetically" or whatever.In post 832, DarkLightA wrote:Like, RB's cop TMI slip is the closest I have to a grip on this game
Use the image tag!In post 1262, DarkLightA wrote:http://i.imgur.com/EAvvfw2.gifvIn post 1258, Lamees wrote:You saying that I know there is an immortal is tmi is ridiculous because that can only be true if you know there is an immortal. Looks like you slipped again lol.
If RB is town, scum who *knew* there was a cop in the game could use this to push RB, and thus benefit from making it look like a slip. Since I pointed it out, according to Lamees, it makes me scum doing that.In post 1270, Creature wrote:Also can someone explain me the Auro and rb can't be town together part?
Look at the final composition, no one on Mala moved to Dunn. I did only to hammer because duh.In post 1328, rb wrote:protip: the people we should be focussing on imo are the people who were on both the mala + dunn wagons
A generally townread player who's a claimed PR -- do you really think that's a brilliant ML for scum to push?In post 1319, Egix96 wrote:DLA - Hs push on Lamees seems like scum grasping for a mislynch
*When*? She now says she can be lynched, but *only* if there's an enchantress/JOAT/another Angel in the game. I'm not following this logic too easily either -- I can easily see a scum strategy in claiming early and surviving, while scum knows that the JOAT flip is probable, and then use that to say it's a bad lunch anyway.In post 1318, Lamees wrote:I agree that I'm better off lynched than night killed
In post 1007, Nako wrote:VOTE: Malakitty
I think Egix is probably scum here so I will vote the wagon that he is not on.
In post 1051, Nako wrote:I also liked that case.
Nako's last few posts look really bad.In post 1206, Nako wrote:Hmm I have no idea about anything.
My point was that "Lamees is a good mechanical lynch, therefore her claim makes her town" isn't a convincing argument to me. I can see a viable scum strat in early claiming Angel. There's no point where your lynch is good if you are Angel . You said something like "I agree I'm better off lynched if enchantress/JOAT/Angel exists", but even if one existed, that logic shouldn't hold. I don't think the claim clears you; hence when you say "you're trying to lynch the third PR" it's bad logic.In post 1335, Lamees wrote:Auro you're stating the obvious here, we were at 10-3 now 8-3 and 6-3 if we mislynch tomorrow. So? So now I am not supposed to vote? What exactly was the point of this post?
So all three on the Dunn wagon. Impressive. (/s)In post 1342, rb wrote:town: mala, creature, egix
This is gross "gamesolving".
Mala, Egix, you, S_S.In post 1352, Thor665 wrote:Who are these scummy slots you think we should be looking into?
Uh, but how is he town?In post 1364, Creature wrote:My experience with rb says him throwing votes around isn't necessarily scum.
In post 1371, Thor665 wrote:Nako replaced NotNova and I'll agree that's a "bleh" slot but I don't see you doing anything to explore the slot, so I find myself asking why you're complaining that others aren't - couldn't you just, y'know, do the thing you want others to do?
No one's really paying attention to her slot, Creature even townreads her.In post 1332, Auro wrote:In post 1007, Nako wrote:VOTE: Malakitty
I think Egix is probably scum here so I will vote the wagon that he is not on.In post 1051, Nako wrote:I also liked that case.Nako's last few posts look really bad.In post 1206, Nako wrote:Hmm I have no idea about anything.
FoS
What does replacing YC have to do with it?In post 1371, Thor665 wrote:Creature replaced Yyotta Cat and is reasonable to call a townread for the moment.
That's all very well, except IIn post 1373, Thor665 wrote:I'll agree, again, that her slot is bleh - but just going 'yo, this slot is bleh' isn't actually a way to interact with the slot. Is all you want people to agree that the slot is bleh?
You aren't scumhunting the slot - if you think what you're doing is scumhunting then allow me to redefine my point for clarity; "you're not engaging with the slot to try to make it produce information or provide reads in a way to allow you and others to potentially garner enough information on it to draw a more definable assessment of its thought process in the game on a town/scum alignment scale but are instead weakly, and very skantwise, are generically attacking it while complaining now about someone else generically deciding it's town while not seeing how both reads are equally empty and basically identical besides where they fall on the alignment scale"
This was the entirety of YvottaCat's ISO:In post 1375, Thor665 wrote:I can agree you didn't read the slot as town and don't recall people townreading the slot.
Yeah, I was thinking the same WRT replacing out coming from scum too, but noted -- I'll go read that up.In post 1384, Thor665 wrote:Now, to a certain extent I would like to see some flips in theoretical other places, but I suspect an early replace out here to be more likely from town than scum. I can see an argument made in the reverse to suggest that it was feelings of failure as scum and fleeing from doing so again, and I don't dislike that argument, but suggest the outward showing from the initial posts here do not match up well with that scum game.
"Pocketing"In post 1388, Creature wrote:I'm definitely not townreading Nako off her predecessor. I've seen her doing three soulreads and I was like "nah, scum wouldn't pull three townreads and use soulread as reason".
Why Thor over RB?In post 1476, Nako wrote:VOTE: Thor665
1 scum between Thor and rb.
Hopefully, Creature is town.
Lamees did not die so she is also a scum?
By "that way" you mean specifically dictating the NK, yes? How is that relevant?In post 1473, Thor665 wrote:Why do you think that? I wouldn't describe my scum play that way.
Not_Maf didn't kill me N1 *because* I townread him.In post 1481, Lamees wrote:Persivul's reads has nothing to do with it. If he town read you and scum read thor, it makes more sense for you to kill him. For example (a previous game), not mafia night killing you night 1 even though you both town read eachother day 1. It just made his ride to end game easier.
Who is likelier to have chosen the night kill target should never be a case imo. Too much wifom.
I disagree, I think lynching mutual townreads is really bad scumplay -- simply because you have the superior option of removing someone who's likelier to vote you in the future. You maybe "won"In post 1485, Lamees wrote:Volx time was limited in that game. I mean I can give more examples where lynching mutual town reads are much more beneficial. Heck I even did as scum myself and won that way. But I guess it doesn't matter. Because it can be anyone. Too much wifom.
I checked that PT.In post 1384, Thor665 wrote:Well, blatantly, if someone townread the previous slot holder it has *everything* to do with it.
To explain my thoughts - in a Newbie game (now finished but ongoing at the time, so relax your panties) Yyotta admitted in the PT that they were under a lot of stress, and had their partner point out that lack of posting was insulting to other players.
I hate to have to then dance around the rather silly and I swear constantly changing rules of this site but Yyotta didn't replace out of all their games.
Also, if you look at the Newbie game in question and assess their scum play while feeling overwhelmed you can get the vibe that;
1. They were more relaxed here.
2. They cared about the group and recognized they weren't going to be the best here.
Now, to a certain extent I would like to see some flips in theoretical other places, but I suspect an early replace out here to be more likely from town than scum. I can see an argument made in the reverse to suggest that it was feelings of failure as scum and fleeing from doing so again, and I don't dislike that argument, but suggest the outward showing from the initial posts here do not match up well with that scum game.
So I tend to favor town, and barring something more exciting than "Creature's reads are narf!" I'm not going to scumread that slot, and rather question anyone who does.
Also, that slot, across the various slot holders, has a perfectly decent amount of posting to assess, unlike your more reasonable complaint about the Nova slot.
Nah, the moment one says "obvious" another says WIFOM, so it's inherently weakened. I believe the utility gained from killing someone who scumreads you far outweighs any loss incurred by someone trying to push you from that angle *shrug*.In post 1489, Lamees wrote:That's too obvious for me. My style is different. Can't be transparent as scum.
I do agree with you that it's not a valid casing method by itself.In post 1491, Thor665 wrote:Because Creature is using it as a case on me - I don't actually think it's a valid casing method and am trying to get him to show enough cards to reveal it's an empty claim.
Why are you asking me to defend Creature's case on me as relevant?
I don't think there's any direct causality we can establish here -- my answer is "dunno", but I don't think it's indicative either way. YC is a very weird player.In post 1493, Thor665 wrote:I never said he replaced out from the pressure of being scum.
Why do you think he only replaced out of one game and not all games?
Oh, cool that you agree on that.In post 1501, Thor665 wrote:I agree that if he randomly decides I'm in his PoE pool (with little to no logic) and then he mentions 'hey, a guy died that because of 'feels' Thor is more likely to kill then, yeah, sure, he can vote me over that.
I'll poke at it to make him (and apparently you) have to defend it on those merits so that, hopefully if you're town you'll wake up or if you're scum you'll reveal yourself. Switch my name with anyone else in his pool (or outside of it) and the case remains functionally unchanged - which is why it's a poor case.
I don't get the point of this post from you.
Seems like I'm not the only oneThor665 wrote:I'll note that I'm still interacting with Auro,Gamma, Nako, You, and to a light extent Lamees.
Cool, so you townread Creature and don't scumread RB anymore.In post 1515, Something_Smart wrote:It's decently strong, yeah. Creature doesn't try this hard as scum.
I'd like you to talk more about why I could be scum if RB isn't, and how you think Thor could be scum.In post 1518, Something_Smart wrote:You could be scum if rb isn't, Thor could be scum
Thor's been a scumspect for me for a long time, I'm just interested to see why others think so.In post 1525, Malakitty wrote:Idk how you can’t see that Thor isn’t anything but scum
You're a PR? Why is it unimportant?In post 1535, Malakitty wrote:Part of me wishes that the Joat didn’t ducking claim Vt and I would have been lynched bc it’s not like my role is at all important